Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 14, 2023
Ukraine’s Demographics Dictate To End The Fight

The knives are out in the fight over the Ukrainian throne.

Various Ukrainian media (in Russian) report of plans to fire this or that general. Andrei Yermak, Zelenski's chief of office and the real power behind him, is currently in the U.S., allegedly to get the okay for firing the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian army General Zaluzny. Other Ukrainian media are calling for Zaluzny to become the new president. Tomorrow CIA director Burns is expected to be in Kiev to tell Zelenski that his time is up and that he, Zelenski, will have to go.

Simplicius writes:

It appears obvious that two competing factions are trying to outdo each other in the sphere of Western media. Zaluzhny fired his shot in the unsanctioned Economist piece, and it would seem that Zelensky backers are doing their own parallel counter-work.

Larry Johnson reminds of the larger powers who are behind this fight:

One critical point I failed to make in yesterday’s article regarding the competing narratives regarding Zelensky and General Zalushny — it looks like the Brits are backing Zalushny while the CIA is trying to save Zelensky and dump Zalushny. I base that conclusion on the fact that the Economist, a British publication with close ties to MI-6, gave Zalushny the celebrity treatment, while the Washington Post, the go-to rag for the CIA, blamed Zalushny for Nord Stream.

Fun to watch, unless you are on the frontline.

There, things are getting worse for the Ukrainian army day by day.

The Ukraine wasted so many troops for impossible endeavors, to hold Bakhmut and in its the senseless 'counter-attack' against impregnable Russian lines, that it now lacks the troops to hold its defense lines.

Six weeks ago the former British defense minister Ben Wallace urged the Ukrainian government to draft more young people to fill the lines:

The average age of the soldiers at the front is over 40. I understand President Zelensky’s desire to preserve the young for the future, but the fact is that Russia is mobilising the whole country by stealth. Putin knows a pause will hand him time to build a new army. So just as Britain did in 1939 and 1941, perhaps it is time to reassess the scale of Ukraine’s mobilisation.

In a recent interview with the Ukrainian Pravda the Economist writer Shashank Joshi took a similar line:

Q: Are there resources to escalate trainings of Ukrainian soldiers abroad?

A: I would say that one of the biggest challenges, really, right now is, first of all, being able to mobilise more young Ukrainians, which, as you know, is a challenge, and a political issue and a social issue.

The ignorance displayed in those British statements becomes evident when one takes a look at the Demographics of Ukraine:


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When the Soviet Union dissolved in the late 1980s the economy of Ukraine went into a tailspin. People were suddenly very poor with no jobs available for them. They thus refrained from having children. Others fled when the war started and some of the young men were killed in the war.

While there are now some three hundred thousand Ukrainian men at the age of 40 there are less than a hundred thousand men at the age of 25.

As there are so few men and women of that reproductive age there are also only few new babies. Becoming independent was a social-demographic catastrophe for Ukraine that will haunt the country for the next hundred years.

The Ukrainian army can not draft younger soldiers because younger people are simply not there. The few thousand who are still hanging out in Kiev are actually university students who's knowledge and service will be needed over the next decades. To draft them would kill all positive perspectives the Ukraine still might have.

After the Ukrainian government, on order of the U.S., failed to make peace with Russia, the Russian president Vladimir Putin ordered his troops to 'de-militarize and de-nazify' the Ukraine. It then was obvious that the attrition of the Ukrainian army, not taking its land, was the main Russian plan.

The Ukrainian political and military command failed to correctly adopt to that. Instead of going into defense mode behind holdable lines it ordered its troops to attack Russian defense lines again and again. In consequence Russian losses were minimal while the Ukrainian losses exceeded all imaginations.

That this would end badly was quite predictable.

It is over. The Ukraine, and the powers behind it, have lost the war.

The Russian forces are now doing probing attacks along the whole frontline. Whenever a local Ukrainian local defense line will fail, which is just a question of time, they will break through and cover new grounds. Those drops leaking through will become a stream, then a river and a flood that will push the Ukrainian army into a full retreat.

The government of Ukraine, and its backers, can still prevent that.

But it requires to acknowledge the facts on the ground.

Calling for more younger Ukrainian people to be drafted to die is the opposite of doing that.

Comments

An interesting comment from a formerly high-quality discussion forum:
(@Ukrainian You should have known – https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SPm2Gvms3_A)/ )
December 2013

Merkel’s advisors announced the destruction of the Ukrainian economy back in 2013
This is an orgy of plundering by Western values with an announcement. Through their Nazi putsch and war, which violates international law, Obama and Merkel have turned Ukraine into a “Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area” – a Westernised colony of misery like Bosnia, Kosovo and so on.
https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/files/association_agreement_ukraine_2014_en.pdf
In the 1940s it was called “Reichskommissariat Ukraine” and was also depopulated by the Nazis.
Even Merkel’s advisors announced the destruction of the Ukrainian economy back in 2013:
“Despite the long-term benefits for both sides, the
implementation of the agreement entails sharp and in some cases socially
extremely painful adjustments in the short term.”
https://dgap.org/de/think-tank/publikationen/dgapstandpunkt/ueber-vilnius-hinaus-denken
“Opening up the markets would have entailed enormous adjustment costs and unemployment figures would have skyrocketed. As a result, approval rates for integration with the EU and for President Yanukovych would have fallen massively within a year.”
https://zeitschrift-ip.dgap.org/de/ip-die-zeitschrift/archiv/jahrgang-2014/januar-februar/verkalkuliert-vilnius
With this scorched earth policy, the Western values ensure that Ukraine will not be Russia’s trading partner for years after the Maidanazis are ousted from power and that the costs of reconstruction will be borne by Russia.
Capitalism acts like a General Plan East for the destruction of the Ukrainian economy. This is being enforced by the Nazi collaborators through radical market dictates and the destruction and depopulation of industrialised areas through years of bombing.
Actually, the (Western) Ukrainians indoctrinated by EU propaganda should have known better long ago. In the 1990s, the Western community of values imposed a programme of impoverishment and looting typical of capitalism on Ukraine, destroying 60% of the economy and plundering over $150 billion. The corrupt oligarchs take on the role of colonial administrators, shifting the plundered billions to the black money accounts of the Western banking mafia. This also explains why criminal oligarchs such as Tymoshenko and Khordorkovsky are courted and supported by the Western values. Conveniently, this means that a large part of the local population does not even realise how they are being enslaved and plundered by the Western values and still cling to naive ideas about the Western values. This makes it easier for NATO to recruit collaborators for a handful of Grivna, as happened during the Nazi coup in 2014.
“Yushchenko as Head of the Central Bank was responsible for
deregulating the national currency under the October 1994 “shock
treatment”:
The price of bread increased overnight by 300 per cent,
electricity prices by 600 per cent,
public transport by 900 per cent.
The standard of living has fallen
According to the Ukrainian State Statistics Committee, cited by the
IMF, real wages fell by more than 75 per cent in 1998 compared to their 1991 level.
compared to their 1991 level.(
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2003/cr03174.pdf )
Ironically, the IMF-backed programme was designed to alleviate inflationary pressures
inflationary pressures: It consisted of giving an impoverished population
an impoverished population with an income below ten dollars per month.
month.

The cumulative decline in GDP as a result of the IMF-sponsored
reforms was over 60 per cent (from 1992 to 1995).”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411D.html
Merkel’s friend Tymoshenko:
“She served as energy minister in the government of Prime Minister
Pavlo Lazarenko’s government. During these two years, according to the United Nations, 120 billion pounds
were stolen from Ukraine, according to the United Nations.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566299/Dont-fooled-angelic-l
ooks-shes-ruthless-shes-corrupt-A-withering-portrait-Ukraines-saviour
-EDWARD-LUCAS-Russia-expert-knows-himself-well.html
the right-wing nationalists strengthened by emigration
The Nazis did not gain strength through emigration, but through decades of Western support. Even the Nazi war criminal Bandera was an agent of the Federal Nazi Service. Without this export of fascism by NATO, there would have been no Nazi putsch and war of extermination against its own people in violation of international law.

translated with deepl

Posted by: 600w | Nov 14 2023 19:32 utc | 201

An interesting comment from a formerly high-quality discussion forum:
(@Ukrainian You should have known – https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SPm2Gvms3_A)/ )
December 2013

Merkel’s advisors announced the destruction of the Ukrainian economy back in 2013
This is an orgy of plundering by Western values with an announcement. Through their Nazi putsch and war, which violates international law, Obama and Merkel have turned Ukraine into a “Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area” – a Westernised colony of misery like Bosnia, Kosovo and so on.
https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/files/association_agreement_ukraine_2014_en.pdf
In the 1940s it was called “Reichskommissariat Ukraine” and was also depopulated by the Nazis.
Even Merkel’s advisors announced the destruction of the Ukrainian economy back in 2013:
“Despite the long-term benefits for both sides, the
implementation of the agreement entails sharp and in some cases socially
extremely painful adjustments in the short term.”
https://dgap.org/de/think-tank/publikationen/dgapstandpunkt/ueber-vilnius-hinaus-denken
“Opening up the markets would have entailed enormous adjustment costs and unemployment figures would have skyrocketed. As a result, approval rates for integration with the EU and for President Yanukovych would have fallen massively within a year.”
https://zeitschrift-ip.dgap.org/de/ip-die-zeitschrift/archiv/jahrgang-2014/januar-februar/verkalkuliert-vilnius
With this scorched earth policy, the Western values ensure that Ukraine will not be Russia’s trading partner for years after the Maidanazis are ousted from power and that the costs of reconstruction will be borne by Russia.
Capitalism acts like a General Plan East for the destruction of the Ukrainian economy. This is being enforced by the Nazi collaborators through radical market dictates and the destruction and depopulation of industrialised areas through years of bombing.
Actually, the (Western) Ukrainians indoctrinated by EU propaganda should have known better long ago. In the 1990s, the Western community of values imposed a programme of impoverishment and looting typical of capitalism on Ukraine, destroying 60% of the economy and plundering over $150 billion. The corrupt oligarchs take on the role of colonial administrators, shifting the plundered billions to the black money accounts of the Western banking mafia. This also explains why criminal oligarchs such as Tymoshenko and Khordorkovsky are courted and supported by the Western values. Conveniently, this means that a large part of the local population does not even realise how they are being enslaved and plundered by the Western values and still cling to naive ideas about the Western values. This makes it easier for NATO to recruit collaborators for a handful of Grivna, as happened during the Nazi coup in 2014.
“Yushchenko as Head of the Central Bank was responsible for
deregulating the national currency under the October 1994 “shock
treatment”:
The price of bread increased overnight by 300 per cent,
electricity prices by 600 per cent,
public transport by 900 per cent.
The standard of living has fallen
According to the Ukrainian State Statistics Committee, cited by the
IMF, real wages fell by more than 75 per cent in 1998 compared to their 1991 level.
compared to their 1991 level.(
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2003/cr03174.pdf )
Ironically, the IMF-backed programme was designed to alleviate inflationary pressures
inflationary pressures: It consisted of giving an impoverished population
an impoverished population with an income below ten dollars per month.
month.

The cumulative decline in GDP as a result of the IMF-sponsored
reforms was over 60 per cent (from 1992 to 1995).”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411D.html
Merkel’s friend Tymoshenko:
“She served as energy minister in the government of Prime Minister
Pavlo Lazarenko’s government. During these two years, according to the United Nations, 120 billion pounds
were stolen from Ukraine, according to the United Nations.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566299/Dont-fooled-angelic-l
ooks-shes-ruthless-shes-corrupt-A-withering-portrait-Ukraines-saviour
-EDWARD-LUCAS-Russia-expert-knows-himself-well.html
the right-wing nationalists strengthened by emigration
The Nazis did not gain strength through emigration, but through decades of Western support. Even the Nazi war criminal Bandera was an agent of the Federal Nazi Service. Without this export of fascism by NATO, there would have been no Nazi putsch and war of extermination against its own people in violation of international law.

translated with deepl

Posted by: 600w | Nov 14 2023 19:32 utc | 202

Ed | Nov 14 2023 19:06 utc | 98
Early on, Hudson was talking two to three decades before the world settled on a new equilibrium if I can call it that.
How long can the US afford to maintain its military empire? Weapons? Stem graduates are required for the high tech weapons of today. How much is the US spending on new replacement civil infrastructure?
Some now think the Xi Biden meeting will be partly to try and sell what is called T bills. China is now offloading treasuries at a fast rate rather than buying. The petro dollar credit card is drying up.
If we look at education and economics the only way out is for the US to greatly downgrade its empire. Rather than downgrading, US deep state is intent on maintaining it.
Interest on debt now near the same as military spending. That will increase sharply with increased debt and increased interest rates. Increased interest rates are required to sell the new debt. US banks now holding worthless bonds as equity. Perhaps the US can fiddle the books and stay afloat for some time, perhaps not.
Education, economy, society itself all on the rocks. On top of that much of the world moving away from the US dollar for trade which means simple money printing will be felt more and more by the US.
Putin said something interest sometime in 2022. Inflation in the world is mainly due to US money printing during covid. The US printed another 30 or 40% of dollars in circulation. In the past, because US dollars were used around the world for trade, US was able to export its inflation. That is all coming to an end.
Society itself? perhaps the biggest killer there is the every gender thing. Massive promotion of all forms of perverted sexes with no promotion of the family. No country can survive that.
What is occurring in the US can be matched with the historical rise and fall of empires and civilizations.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 19:38 utc | 203

Ed | Nov 14 2023 19:06 utc | 98
Early on, Hudson was talking two to three decades before the world settled on a new equilibrium if I can call it that.
How long can the US afford to maintain its military empire? Weapons? Stem graduates are required for the high tech weapons of today. How much is the US spending on new replacement civil infrastructure?
Some now think the Xi Biden meeting will be partly to try and sell what is called T bills. China is now offloading treasuries at a fast rate rather than buying. The petro dollar credit card is drying up.
If we look at education and economics the only way out is for the US to greatly downgrade its empire. Rather than downgrading, US deep state is intent on maintaining it.
Interest on debt now near the same as military spending. That will increase sharply with increased debt and increased interest rates. Increased interest rates are required to sell the new debt. US banks now holding worthless bonds as equity. Perhaps the US can fiddle the books and stay afloat for some time, perhaps not.
Education, economy, society itself all on the rocks. On top of that much of the world moving away from the US dollar for trade which means simple money printing will be felt more and more by the US.
Putin said something interest sometime in 2022. Inflation in the world is mainly due to US money printing during covid. The US printed another 30 or 40% of dollars in circulation. In the past, because US dollars were used around the world for trade, US was able to export its inflation. That is all coming to an end.
Society itself? perhaps the biggest killer there is the every gender thing. Massive promotion of all forms of perverted sexes with no promotion of the family. No country can survive that.
What is occurring in the US can be matched with the historical rise and fall of empires and civilizations.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 19:38 utc | 204

Posted by: Constantine | Nov 14 2023 14:07 utc | 31:

So it’s unjust to treat most of the Ukrainians as braindead idiots who casually opted for national suicide. Liberal propaganda gave them false hope for a better future and it was backed by brutal fascist goons who dealt summarily with those who opposed this lunacy.

I agree with your entire post! I would also add that, in my experience as an Oriental, this fetish with Western lifestyle/culture is not limited to former eastern European nor Russian. It is wide spread in East Asia/Southeast Asia too: Hong Kong; Taiwan; Singapore; Japan; Korea; Philippine; even China…
You name any Asian country, and it’s there solidly, albeit slowly fading of late just as can seen in today’s Russia.
The western lifestyle/culture is a hyped-up mirage and bubble, on its way of being busted. There will be lots of pain and misery when it does, not just within the originating Garden, but worldwide among wannabes. Even tho i’m in my 70’s, I believe I will likely live to see the Big Bust!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 14 2023 19:38 utc | 205

Posted by: Constantine | Nov 14 2023 14:07 utc | 31:

So it’s unjust to treat most of the Ukrainians as braindead idiots who casually opted for national suicide. Liberal propaganda gave them false hope for a better future and it was backed by brutal fascist goons who dealt summarily with those who opposed this lunacy.

I agree with your entire post! I would also add that, in my experience as an Oriental, this fetish with Western lifestyle/culture is not limited to former eastern European nor Russian. It is wide spread in East Asia/Southeast Asia too: Hong Kong; Taiwan; Singapore; Japan; Korea; Philippine; even China…
You name any Asian country, and it’s there solidly, albeit slowly fading of late just as can seen in today’s Russia.
The western lifestyle/culture is a hyped-up mirage and bubble, on its way of being busted. There will be lots of pain and misery when it does, not just within the originating Garden, but worldwide among wannabes. Even tho i’m in my 70’s, I believe I will likely live to see the Big Bust!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 14 2023 19:38 utc | 206

Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 18:39 utc | 93–
When the Outlaw US Empire’s populace is deprogrammed from their Christian Zionism and its exceptionalism is when the Empire will die. That will infect every critical area from politics to economics to the military. Perhaps more appropriate for the Palestine thread is my “Zionism: The Cult and Its Adherents”. The idea was spawned by johnny rotten’s lead comment at this Martyanov blog thread. Both Canfield’s and Sizer’s books are online at the Internet Archive, and Sizer has his own website.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2023 19:45 utc | 207

Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 18:39 utc | 93–
When the Outlaw US Empire’s populace is deprogrammed from their Christian Zionism and its exceptionalism is when the Empire will die. That will infect every critical area from politics to economics to the military. Perhaps more appropriate for the Palestine thread is my “Zionism: The Cult and Its Adherents”. The idea was spawned by johnny rotten’s lead comment at this Martyanov blog thread. Both Canfield’s and Sizer’s books are online at the Internet Archive, and Sizer has his own website.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2023 19:45 utc | 208

“b’s article picked up by Mercouris, who acknowledges Moon of Alabama as the source.
https://odysee.com/@AlexanderMercouris:a/ukr-crisis-deepens-kiev-begs-f16s:7
Set to the section that discusses the peace negotiations:-
https://youtu.be/F77ebmxKUwY?t=1406

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 14 2023 19:47 utc | 209

“b’s article picked up by Mercouris, who acknowledges Moon of Alabama as the source.
https://odysee.com/@AlexanderMercouris:a/ukr-crisis-deepens-kiev-begs-f16s:7
Set to the section that discusses the peace negotiations:-
https://youtu.be/F77ebmxKUwY?t=1406

Posted by: English Outsider | Nov 14 2023 19:47 utc | 210

@the pessimist #76

As to what Kolomoisky’s adgenda for his puppet was, that is not clear to me.

The agenda was no doubt the standard oligarch self-enrichment.

What Kolomoisky’s sin was to end up on the outs with the west I’m not sure either.

It is probably safe to say that Kolomoisky would not want Ukraine utterly destroyed as it is his base of profit and power.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 19:50 utc | 211

@the pessimist #76

As to what Kolomoisky’s adgenda for his puppet was, that is not clear to me.

The agenda was no doubt the standard oligarch self-enrichment.

What Kolomoisky’s sin was to end up on the outs with the west I’m not sure either.

It is probably safe to say that Kolomoisky would not want Ukraine utterly destroyed as it is his base of profit and power.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 19:50 utc | 212

Don’t be silly. Under no circumstances will the children of oligarchs be cowering on the front lines, wondering whether that Solntsepyok is coming for them next. They are partying hard in London, France, Berlin, NYC and Miami.
Zelenskii will never have to cover war expenses with fat checks from his personal account.
So why would they want the gravy train to stop now?

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 14 2023 20:00 utc | 213

Don’t be silly. Under no circumstances will the children of oligarchs be cowering on the front lines, wondering whether that Solntsepyok is coming for them next. They are partying hard in London, France, Berlin, NYC and Miami.
Zelenskii will never have to cover war expenses with fat checks from his personal account.
So why would they want the gravy train to stop now?

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 14 2023 20:00 utc | 214

@marcjf #80

my thinking is that even at the lower values the war fighting potential is greater than we might think. Ukraine does have a big army (smaller and less competent and equipped than it was) and it is able to maintain that by Western support.It can devote much more of its popultaion to fighting and dying because of NATO gifts.

The problems with the above statement are several:
1) That the West is providing sufficient platforms, ammunition, other logistics i.e. food/fuel/medical, and other forms of support
2) That the Ukraine population can sustain the losses it has already taken and is willing and able to sustain more.
Re: 1) above – the West is clearly unable to provide enough artillery shells.
The West is clearly unable to either provide ammunition for S300 and other Soviet air defense systems or both platforms and ammunition for Western air defense systems.
The West is also clearly not able to provide sufficient aircraft or tanks to meet Ukraine’s needs. There are indications that there aren’t enough artillery systems anymore either given that Ukrainian units are documented by Western press as using literal WW2 era artillery.
Re 2) above: the point of b’s (and other’s) points about demographics is that the pool of manpower is actually nowhere near as large as might be for a non-Eastern European nation. The fact that Ukraine is recruiting the female, the sick and the lame is another indicator, above and beyond the press gangs, that Ukraine is having real problems with finding enough warm bodies, period.

It can put more troops in the front line as its rear area is to an extent manned by NATO personnel out of the war zone – eg hospitals, repair workshops, planning, logistic centres etc.

These is false for several reasons also:
1) There IS no rear area in Ukraine; Russian missile and drone strikes are happening daily, literally over the entire country
2) NATO troops under fire (see 1) above) are therefore in combat. Might as well put them right into combat since traditional NATO/Western rear area support is no longer tolerant of casualties.
3) Rear area support is typically multiples of the front line soldier. Ratios of 4 or 6 support to one shooter is very common.
Even disregarding 2) above, the notion that NATO is inserting the tens to hundreds of thousands of troops to provide logistic services to replace Ukrainian men, who in turn can then go fight at the front – is naive and improbable at best.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 20:02 utc | 215

@marcjf #80

my thinking is that even at the lower values the war fighting potential is greater than we might think. Ukraine does have a big army (smaller and less competent and equipped than it was) and it is able to maintain that by Western support.It can devote much more of its popultaion to fighting and dying because of NATO gifts.

The problems with the above statement are several:
1) That the West is providing sufficient platforms, ammunition, other logistics i.e. food/fuel/medical, and other forms of support
2) That the Ukraine population can sustain the losses it has already taken and is willing and able to sustain more.
Re: 1) above – the West is clearly unable to provide enough artillery shells.
The West is clearly unable to either provide ammunition for S300 and other Soviet air defense systems or both platforms and ammunition for Western air defense systems.
The West is also clearly not able to provide sufficient aircraft or tanks to meet Ukraine’s needs. There are indications that there aren’t enough artillery systems anymore either given that Ukrainian units are documented by Western press as using literal WW2 era artillery.
Re 2) above: the point of b’s (and other’s) points about demographics is that the pool of manpower is actually nowhere near as large as might be for a non-Eastern European nation. The fact that Ukraine is recruiting the female, the sick and the lame is another indicator, above and beyond the press gangs, that Ukraine is having real problems with finding enough warm bodies, period.

It can put more troops in the front line as its rear area is to an extent manned by NATO personnel out of the war zone – eg hospitals, repair workshops, planning, logistic centres etc.

These is false for several reasons also:
1) There IS no rear area in Ukraine; Russian missile and drone strikes are happening daily, literally over the entire country
2) NATO troops under fire (see 1) above) are therefore in combat. Might as well put them right into combat since traditional NATO/Western rear area support is no longer tolerant of casualties.
3) Rear area support is typically multiples of the front line soldier. Ratios of 4 or 6 support to one shooter is very common.
Even disregarding 2) above, the notion that NATO is inserting the tens to hundreds of thousands of troops to provide logistic services to replace Ukrainian men, who in turn can then go fight at the front – is naive and improbable at best.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 20:02 utc | 216

@84 JessDTruth
All myposts have been removed, your post asking where is the proof of the Banking Cartel’s pivot to the East is all that remains of my honest and accurate description THAT B DOESN’T WANT MENTIONED HERE!!
How can there be detailed and comprehensive commentary of this horrid catastrophe facing all of humanity when we have hosts deleting sensitive comments and others scoffing and ridiculing those that want to highlight the real boogieman under the bed??
Jess, the real proof that the octopus is shifting to the East is how dilapidated the Western financial, economic, social and educational picture is with the Golden Billion while the BRICS+ nations build their infrastructure and the RoW is hanging off of every comment and press conference Putin and Xi make?
****Crooke thinks that the US with all their assets hanging around the Med and the Red Seaare looking to pick a fight with Iran and possibly Syria. They don’t understand just how powerful the Axis of Resistance really is. One of those floating bathtubs are going to be sunk with all those F-35’s on board too…

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 14 2023 20:10 utc | 217

@84 JessDTruth
All myposts have been removed, your post asking where is the proof of the Banking Cartel’s pivot to the East is all that remains of my honest and accurate description THAT B DOESN’T WANT MENTIONED HERE!!
How can there be detailed and comprehensive commentary of this horrid catastrophe facing all of humanity when we have hosts deleting sensitive comments and others scoffing and ridiculing those that want to highlight the real boogieman under the bed??
Jess, the real proof that the octopus is shifting to the East is how dilapidated the Western financial, economic, social and educational picture is with the Golden Billion while the BRICS+ nations build their infrastructure and the RoW is hanging off of every comment and press conference Putin and Xi make?
****Crooke thinks that the US with all their assets hanging around the Med and the Red Seaare looking to pick a fight with Iran and possibly Syria. They don’t understand just how powerful the Axis of Resistance really is. One of those floating bathtubs are going to be sunk with all those F-35’s on board too…

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 14 2023 20:10 utc | 218

In response to

Ukraine is just one front in what is now becoming a hybrid global battle against the US empire. Which takes me back to my conclusion in early to mid 22 that the SMO would not end, could not end until the US is defeated globally.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 18:39 utc | 91

Correct! As is

Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 18:39 utc | 93–
When the Outlaw US Empire’s populace is deprogrammed from their Christian Zionism and its exceptionalism is when the Empire will die. That will infect every critical area from politics to economics to the military. Perhaps more appropriate for the Palestine thread is my “Zionism: The Cult and Its Adherents”. The idea was spawned by johnny rotten’s lead comment at this Martyanov blog thread. Both Canfield’s and Sizer’s books are online at the Internet Archive, and Sizer has his own website.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2023 19:45 utc | 104

There are multiple fronts in the civilization war we are watching and all point to empire, God Of Mammon empire, being brought to account for its anti-humanistic perfidy.
Barbaric (Might-Makes-Right) patriarchy and its spawn of monotheistic religions having control over our species for centuries is coming to an end. That is not to say it will happen like the flip of a light switch but more that it has been happening for a century or so already and it may be another century before the dust settles on the changes.
I am just happy to have been able to see the momentum for this growth of our species away from barbarism advance to the point where structural change away from global private finance is occurring.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2023 20:17 utc | 219

In response to

Ukraine is just one front in what is now becoming a hybrid global battle against the US empire. Which takes me back to my conclusion in early to mid 22 that the SMO would not end, could not end until the US is defeated globally.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 18:39 utc | 91

Correct! As is

Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 18:39 utc | 93–
When the Outlaw US Empire’s populace is deprogrammed from their Christian Zionism and its exceptionalism is when the Empire will die. That will infect every critical area from politics to economics to the military. Perhaps more appropriate for the Palestine thread is my “Zionism: The Cult and Its Adherents”. The idea was spawned by johnny rotten’s lead comment at this Martyanov blog thread. Both Canfield’s and Sizer’s books are online at the Internet Archive, and Sizer has his own website.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2023 19:45 utc | 104

There are multiple fronts in the civilization war we are watching and all point to empire, God Of Mammon empire, being brought to account for its anti-humanistic perfidy.
Barbaric (Might-Makes-Right) patriarchy and its spawn of monotheistic religions having control over our species for centuries is coming to an end. That is not to say it will happen like the flip of a light switch but more that it has been happening for a century or so already and it may be another century before the dust settles on the changes.
I am just happy to have been able to see the momentum for this growth of our species away from barbarism advance to the point where structural change away from global private finance is occurring.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2023 20:17 utc | 220

Zet @ 88
I will keep this short – given the subject is somewhat off-thread.
I cannot fully access your source, but note it claims to be a ‘History By The Hour’ publication, without a named author.
Searched the internet for photos of Mao’s visits to the places you referred to – couldn’t find any. (Only photos of his visits to the USSR.) Lot’s of Photos of him receiving foreign leaders in Beijing.
Raised this issue in the first place because Mao’s detractors – revisionists and reactionaries – have tried to accuse him of being parochial and too China-centred.

Posted by: Born Free | Nov 14 2023 20:19 utc | 221

Zet @ 88
I will keep this short – given the subject is somewhat off-thread.
I cannot fully access your source, but note it claims to be a ‘History By The Hour’ publication, without a named author.
Searched the internet for photos of Mao’s visits to the places you referred to – couldn’t find any. (Only photos of his visits to the USSR.) Lot’s of Photos of him receiving foreign leaders in Beijing.
Raised this issue in the first place because Mao’s detractors – revisionists and reactionaries – have tried to accuse him of being parochial and too China-centred.

Posted by: Born Free | Nov 14 2023 20:19 utc | 222

Posted by: Ed | Nov 14 2023 19:06 utc | 98
US defeated militarily – you say fat chance but in reality the USA has been defeated in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and largely in Korea and Syria and Iraq and now Ukraine.
Sure there has not been a land war in the USA, nor a full on air/naval war, but against China USA winning a naval conflict is by no means certain. air yes, but not navy, given the Chinese navy is now bigger than that of the USA.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 14 2023 20:27 utc | 223

Posted by: Ed | Nov 14 2023 19:06 utc | 98
US defeated militarily – you say fat chance but in reality the USA has been defeated in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and largely in Korea and Syria and Iraq and now Ukraine.
Sure there has not been a land war in the USA, nor a full on air/naval war, but against China USA winning a naval conflict is by no means certain. air yes, but not navy, given the Chinese navy is now bigger than that of the USA.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 14 2023 20:27 utc | 224

@Peter AU1 #102

How long can the US afford to maintain its military empire?

For the foreseeable future. Especially if parasitizing Europe and Japan.

Weapons? Stem graduates are required for the high tech weapons of today. How much is the US spending on new replacement civil infrastructure?

You don’t need a large absolute number of STEM graduates to make new weapons. You just need the smart ones working in the MIC.
Civil infrastructure – nowhere remotely enough for even maintenance.

Some now think the Xi Biden meeting will be partly to try and sell what is called T bills. China is now offloading treasuries at a fast rate rather than buying.

Only fools for the former statement.
As for the latter: China has more Treasuries today than they did in 2009 – so the amount held is down but is hardly small nor tremendously divergent than the long term average.

The petro dollar credit card is drying up.

The petrodollar standard was never a credit card – it is just the largest part of the reason why there are trillions of US dollars outside the US – above and beyond the central bank holdings in Treasuries. This extra float held by non-Americans is what allows the US to print more money without inflation than otherwise. And yes, while it is decreasing, it is not decreasing more than say, 10% a year meaning it will be decades before the float shrinks enough to cramp the extra spending. The problems the US is seeing now is because it is spending even above the huge cushion provided by the float, not because the float is significantly shrinking (yet).

If we look at education and economics the only way out is for the US to greatly downgrade its empire. Rather than downgrading, US deep state is intent on maintaining it.

Since when is decadence and arrogance unusual in a failing empire?

Interest on debt now near the same as military spending. That will increase sharply with increased debt and increased interest rates.

Increased interest is because of increased inflation. Increased inflation also reduces the repayment burden of existing debt. This is a dynamic process with damping mechanisms, not tipping points. Tipping points only occur with debt if the debt is foreign currency denominated.

Increased interest rates are required to sell the new debt.

Yes but this also means more income for someone including retirees and Social Security and so forth.

US banks now holding worthless bonds as equity. Perhaps the US can fiddle the books and stay afloat for some time, perhaps not.

Completely wrong. The bonds, if held to maturity, will have zero losses and pay exactly as they are supposed to. The problems only arise if the bonds are forced to be sold before maturity – but even then the losses are in the 20% to 30% range. They are hardly “worthless”. Furthermore the US Treasury has put funding mechanisms in place so that such bonds can be traded in for full face value, so SVB/First Republic type situations will not be happening.

Putin said something interest sometime in 2022. Inflation in the world is mainly due to US money printing during covid. The US printed another 30 or 40% of dollars in circulation. In the past, because US dollars were used around the world for trade, US was able to export its inflation. That is all coming to an end.

You’ll have to point the specific reference to me, but the US was absolutely NOT the only entity printing during COVID. The EU, China, everybody did. The US may well have printed more than the others, and the US printing was larger in an absolute sense because the US economy is larger in an absolute sense than other economies, but it is utterly false that the existing inflation is solely or even primarily due to the US printing.
The worldwide printing is a factor but a larger factor is systemic underinvestment all forms of productions for well over a decade. Anything on the entire periodic table – if it is mined, investment is needed to bring new mines and production online as existing production declines. This wasn’t done.
For example: I attended the North Dakota Petroleum Council annual meeting in September. The director for North Dakota’s Department of Mineral Resources presented production data for the ND Bakken shale for 2023. The number of rigs operating in July and August 2023 was 37 each vs. a peak of 218. The number of rigs operating in July and August 2022 was 45 and 46 and 2021 numbers were 21 and 23. So looking at 2022 and 2023, drilling activity is down 79% to 83% vs peak which was in May 2017.
A secondary factor was the massive disruptions induced by COVID lockdowns and production stoppages.
But on the flip side: the US is basically self sufficient in food and energy unlike Europe and Japan. The problems in US society due to underinvestment and deindustrialization and deprioritization of Americans vs. other people are fixable, but not so long as the US keeps throwing blood and treasure on stupid foreign adventures.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 20:34 utc | 225

@Peter AU1 #102

How long can the US afford to maintain its military empire?

For the foreseeable future. Especially if parasitizing Europe and Japan.

Weapons? Stem graduates are required for the high tech weapons of today. How much is the US spending on new replacement civil infrastructure?

You don’t need a large absolute number of STEM graduates to make new weapons. You just need the smart ones working in the MIC.
Civil infrastructure – nowhere remotely enough for even maintenance.

Some now think the Xi Biden meeting will be partly to try and sell what is called T bills. China is now offloading treasuries at a fast rate rather than buying.

Only fools for the former statement.
As for the latter: China has more Treasuries today than they did in 2009 – so the amount held is down but is hardly small nor tremendously divergent than the long term average.

The petro dollar credit card is drying up.

The petrodollar standard was never a credit card – it is just the largest part of the reason why there are trillions of US dollars outside the US – above and beyond the central bank holdings in Treasuries. This extra float held by non-Americans is what allows the US to print more money without inflation than otherwise. And yes, while it is decreasing, it is not decreasing more than say, 10% a year meaning it will be decades before the float shrinks enough to cramp the extra spending. The problems the US is seeing now is because it is spending even above the huge cushion provided by the float, not because the float is significantly shrinking (yet).

If we look at education and economics the only way out is for the US to greatly downgrade its empire. Rather than downgrading, US deep state is intent on maintaining it.

Since when is decadence and arrogance unusual in a failing empire?

Interest on debt now near the same as military spending. That will increase sharply with increased debt and increased interest rates.

Increased interest is because of increased inflation. Increased inflation also reduces the repayment burden of existing debt. This is a dynamic process with damping mechanisms, not tipping points. Tipping points only occur with debt if the debt is foreign currency denominated.

Increased interest rates are required to sell the new debt.

Yes but this also means more income for someone including retirees and Social Security and so forth.

US banks now holding worthless bonds as equity. Perhaps the US can fiddle the books and stay afloat for some time, perhaps not.

Completely wrong. The bonds, if held to maturity, will have zero losses and pay exactly as they are supposed to. The problems only arise if the bonds are forced to be sold before maturity – but even then the losses are in the 20% to 30% range. They are hardly “worthless”. Furthermore the US Treasury has put funding mechanisms in place so that such bonds can be traded in for full face value, so SVB/First Republic type situations will not be happening.

Putin said something interest sometime in 2022. Inflation in the world is mainly due to US money printing during covid. The US printed another 30 or 40% of dollars in circulation. In the past, because US dollars were used around the world for trade, US was able to export its inflation. That is all coming to an end.

You’ll have to point the specific reference to me, but the US was absolutely NOT the only entity printing during COVID. The EU, China, everybody did. The US may well have printed more than the others, and the US printing was larger in an absolute sense because the US economy is larger in an absolute sense than other economies, but it is utterly false that the existing inflation is solely or even primarily due to the US printing.
The worldwide printing is a factor but a larger factor is systemic underinvestment all forms of productions for well over a decade. Anything on the entire periodic table – if it is mined, investment is needed to bring new mines and production online as existing production declines. This wasn’t done.
For example: I attended the North Dakota Petroleum Council annual meeting in September. The director for North Dakota’s Department of Mineral Resources presented production data for the ND Bakken shale for 2023. The number of rigs operating in July and August 2023 was 37 each vs. a peak of 218. The number of rigs operating in July and August 2022 was 45 and 46 and 2021 numbers were 21 and 23. So looking at 2022 and 2023, drilling activity is down 79% to 83% vs peak which was in May 2017.
A secondary factor was the massive disruptions induced by COVID lockdowns and production stoppages.
But on the flip side: the US is basically self sufficient in food and energy unlike Europe and Japan. The problems in US society due to underinvestment and deindustrialization and deprioritization of Americans vs. other people are fixable, but not so long as the US keeps throwing blood and treasure on stupid foreign adventures.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 20:34 utc | 226

karlof1 | Nov 14 2023 19:45 utc | 104
Excellent write up Karl. Have bookmarked it to be able to link it in the future.
Zionism is like a systemic/terminal cancer in the US, from what I can see, like cancer it will kill its host.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 20:40 utc | 227

karlof1 | Nov 14 2023 19:45 utc | 104
Excellent write up Karl. Have bookmarked it to be able to link it in the future.
Zionism is like a systemic/terminal cancer in the US, from what I can see, like cancer it will kill its host.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 20:40 utc | 228

Does anyone know what became of Gonzalo Lira? I believe he was to be in court last month>

Posted by: medo | Nov 14 2023 20:45 utc | 229

Does anyone know what became of Gonzalo Lira? I believe he was to be in court last month>

Posted by: medo | Nov 14 2023 20:45 utc | 230

“Attrition of the Ukrainian army, not taking its land, was the main Russian plan.”
Excellent. That should have been the plan from the start and it must be the plan even after the war. Any let up, Ukie Nazis will be adventurous.
What is not discussed is the plight of Ukie children. Their schooling is seriously disrupted by the war so Ukie future is already in jeopardy.
Russia must use more cluster munitions, sea mines, land mines and anti personnel mines against the Ukie army. That’s the cheapest but most effective attrition warfare method.
Ukraine was a lottery win for USA. No other country would have gone to war with Russia but USA wasted it too early and now goes begging to China. Collapse of Ukraine exposes NATO cowards to Russian probing adventures that will be carried out by remaining Ukies.

Posted by: Jason | Nov 14 2023 20:47 utc | 231

“Attrition of the Ukrainian army, not taking its land, was the main Russian plan.”
Excellent. That should have been the plan from the start and it must be the plan even after the war. Any let up, Ukie Nazis will be adventurous.
What is not discussed is the plight of Ukie children. Their schooling is seriously disrupted by the war so Ukie future is already in jeopardy.
Russia must use more cluster munitions, sea mines, land mines and anti personnel mines against the Ukie army. That’s the cheapest but most effective attrition warfare method.
Ukraine was a lottery win for USA. No other country would have gone to war with Russia but USA wasted it too early and now goes begging to China. Collapse of Ukraine exposes NATO cowards to Russian probing adventures that will be carried out by remaining Ukies.

Posted by: Jason | Nov 14 2023 20:47 utc | 232

@marcjf — 80
This is my exact read. Now the Ukies could collapse quite quick, but if they still get support this is how it will go. Unless something completely unforseen comes to the fore. Putin still has to chop that wood at the base of the trunk before the tree falls.
And we must all remember, that in Europe, the Ukies had the most FORMIDABLE army of all, armed to the teeth by the West and given all the tech they needed, including full ISR and satellite coverage. I mean, really everything. And they have been essentially wiped out as a real country. That should cause the other vassals pause.
Finally, as many others have commented, it is important to remember that Putin could have gone the “shock and awe” route, similar to the West and Israel and just wiped out large parts of the Ukie civilian population and infrastructure. AT ANY TIME HE COULD DO THIS, he could do it now, using just conventional weapons. He did not. He was as careful and judicious as one could be in two years of war with peer or near peer adversaries. At the cost of serious Russian blood.
It seems to me the ROW and the Global South has paid attention to this. And that is why they recoil in horror as the Empire descends on the helplessly outgunned and outmatched Gazans and the absolute atrocities they commit on those people. Ukraine is indeed the opening salvo in the asymmetrical resistance, led by very competent, cool-headed, and wise leaders.
I just hope that the ROW hears the pleas of the peoples of at least the USA, we voted for no war, we voted for peace, economic competition, as goofy as that guy might be, we, in truth and reality, voted for Trump to oppose the MIC and get us out of these stupid and destructive wars.
I hope the people of the West FINALLY wake up and can flush this insane brainwashing we have been subject to for more than 70 years…

Posted by: Johnny | Nov 14 2023 20:56 utc | 233

@marcjf — 80
This is my exact read. Now the Ukies could collapse quite quick, but if they still get support this is how it will go. Unless something completely unforseen comes to the fore. Putin still has to chop that wood at the base of the trunk before the tree falls.
And we must all remember, that in Europe, the Ukies had the most FORMIDABLE army of all, armed to the teeth by the West and given all the tech they needed, including full ISR and satellite coverage. I mean, really everything. And they have been essentially wiped out as a real country. That should cause the other vassals pause.
Finally, as many others have commented, it is important to remember that Putin could have gone the “shock and awe” route, similar to the West and Israel and just wiped out large parts of the Ukie civilian population and infrastructure. AT ANY TIME HE COULD DO THIS, he could do it now, using just conventional weapons. He did not. He was as careful and judicious as one could be in two years of war with peer or near peer adversaries. At the cost of serious Russian blood.
It seems to me the ROW and the Global South has paid attention to this. And that is why they recoil in horror as the Empire descends on the helplessly outgunned and outmatched Gazans and the absolute atrocities they commit on those people. Ukraine is indeed the opening salvo in the asymmetrical resistance, led by very competent, cool-headed, and wise leaders.
I just hope that the ROW hears the pleas of the peoples of at least the USA, we voted for no war, we voted for peace, economic competition, as goofy as that guy might be, we, in truth and reality, voted for Trump to oppose the MIC and get us out of these stupid and destructive wars.
I hope the people of the West FINALLY wake up and can flush this insane brainwashing we have been subject to for more than 70 years…

Posted by: Johnny | Nov 14 2023 20:56 utc | 234

c1ue | Nov 14 2023 20:34 utc | 113
Would take some time to dig the specific transcripts up now as I don’t remember a particular presser. I believe he said this in a couple of pressers in early 22 when much of the world suddenly got hit with inflation. To find those again would take a large amount of reading of many transcripts from that time frame. If I happen to run onto it again via other references or whatever will dig up the transcript and link it. I believe there was a little more detail that I remember, I think in the way the money was used as compared to other countries.
There are a number of points in your reply I’m not too sure about but the main one would be stem graduates for the MIC. We have seen very little in the way of new military technologies in the US. Many programs run into different problems and are scrapped. Rail guns where all the thing for a while, I believe the new destroyers where to be equipped with them or at least some form of very long range artillery and that was scrapped. US have successfully flown a lab made hypersonic glide vehicle yet attaching production heads to missiles has failed so far.
Russia is far advanced on the US in many technologies now and this reflects very much on the education system.
There is obviously something wrong in the US education of stem graduates. There are other factors of course, but looking at the projects that have failed due to technical issues reflect on US education.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 21:02 utc | 235

c1ue | Nov 14 2023 20:34 utc | 113
Would take some time to dig the specific transcripts up now as I don’t remember a particular presser. I believe he said this in a couple of pressers in early 22 when much of the world suddenly got hit with inflation. To find those again would take a large amount of reading of many transcripts from that time frame. If I happen to run onto it again via other references or whatever will dig up the transcript and link it. I believe there was a little more detail that I remember, I think in the way the money was used as compared to other countries.
There are a number of points in your reply I’m not too sure about but the main one would be stem graduates for the MIC. We have seen very little in the way of new military technologies in the US. Many programs run into different problems and are scrapped. Rail guns where all the thing for a while, I believe the new destroyers where to be equipped with them or at least some form of very long range artillery and that was scrapped. US have successfully flown a lab made hypersonic glide vehicle yet attaching production heads to missiles has failed so far.
Russia is far advanced on the US in many technologies now and this reflects very much on the education system.
There is obviously something wrong in the US education of stem graduates. There are other factors of course, but looking at the projects that have failed due to technical issues reflect on US education.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 21:02 utc | 236

@medo | Nov 14 2023 20:45 utc | 115

Does anyone know what became of Gonzalo Lira? I believe he was to be in court last month>

He was arrested by the SBU on the border with Hungary early August, trying to escape. He is in very serious trouble. He posted this just hours before, and whe have not heard from him since:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW274f8s-ws
(there are 2 more videos from the same day/location)

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 14 2023 21:08 utc | 237

@medo | Nov 14 2023 20:45 utc | 115

Does anyone know what became of Gonzalo Lira? I believe he was to be in court last month>

He was arrested by the SBU on the border with Hungary early August, trying to escape. He is in very serious trouble. He posted this just hours before, and whe have not heard from him since:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW274f8s-ws
(there are 2 more videos from the same day/location)

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 14 2023 21:08 utc | 238

@Peter AU1 #118

Would take some time to dig the specific transcripts up now as I don’t remember a particular presser. I believe he said this in a couple of pressers in early 22 when much of the world suddenly got hit with inflation. To find those again would take a large amount of reading of many transcripts from that time frame. If I happen to run onto it again via other references or whatever will dig up the transcript and link it. I believe there was a little more detail that I remember, I think in the way the money was used as compared to other countries.

I ask because I don’t recall seeing Putin say either that the US was printing more than the rest of the world or that the US printing was responsible for world inflation. He has said that US printing is driving up US and EU inflation, but this not remotely the same as the previous sentence. And he has said that some of this printing was going to alternative energy which was going to drive up inflation via increased energy cost.

the main one would be stem graduates for the MIC. We have seen very little in the way of new military technologies in the US.

The reasons for US lack of “new military technologies” has far less to do with US fundamental research capabilities and far more to do with MIC profit maximization policies. If you are a self respecting defense contractor – what possible profit benefit is there to constantly render obsolete your own existing product line? Existing products have fully depreciated factories, have lovely parts and maintenance contracts, brand recognition with Congress-critters and the public and so forth.
New programs in turn are much more an exercise in pork barrel and contract gamesmanship than improvement of US military capability. The F35, the Littoral Combat Ship, the various failed new AFV/tank attempts, there are many many examples of the above dynamics in action.
As for what else I wrote – it is all 100% documented. Look at USMFH data – the web site has data going back to 2000. China owned less than $800B in US Treasuries at the beginning of 2009. China’s Treasury holdings never went about $1300B. So the present $890B is down from peak but hardly insignificant, and furthermore could as easily be presented as China not wanting to buy Treasuries while the Fed is increasing interest rates.
The same holds true for bonds held by banks. Bonds are simply borrowed money with a promise to repay the amount borrowed plus interest. You literally cannot lose absolute values of money on a bond unless either you sell it before maturity or the bond issuer defaults. In the case of Treasuries – the US will never literally default because it can literally print up new follars.
You can lose relative purchasing power of money in a bond, but that applies to everything.
Anyone who says the bonds held by banks are worthless is a charlatan.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 21:24 utc | 239

@Peter AU1 #118

Would take some time to dig the specific transcripts up now as I don’t remember a particular presser. I believe he said this in a couple of pressers in early 22 when much of the world suddenly got hit with inflation. To find those again would take a large amount of reading of many transcripts from that time frame. If I happen to run onto it again via other references or whatever will dig up the transcript and link it. I believe there was a little more detail that I remember, I think in the way the money was used as compared to other countries.

I ask because I don’t recall seeing Putin say either that the US was printing more than the rest of the world or that the US printing was responsible for world inflation. He has said that US printing is driving up US and EU inflation, but this not remotely the same as the previous sentence. And he has said that some of this printing was going to alternative energy which was going to drive up inflation via increased energy cost.

the main one would be stem graduates for the MIC. We have seen very little in the way of new military technologies in the US.

The reasons for US lack of “new military technologies” has far less to do with US fundamental research capabilities and far more to do with MIC profit maximization policies. If you are a self respecting defense contractor – what possible profit benefit is there to constantly render obsolete your own existing product line? Existing products have fully depreciated factories, have lovely parts and maintenance contracts, brand recognition with Congress-critters and the public and so forth.
New programs in turn are much more an exercise in pork barrel and contract gamesmanship than improvement of US military capability. The F35, the Littoral Combat Ship, the various failed new AFV/tank attempts, there are many many examples of the above dynamics in action.
As for what else I wrote – it is all 100% documented. Look at USMFH data – the web site has data going back to 2000. China owned less than $800B in US Treasuries at the beginning of 2009. China’s Treasury holdings never went about $1300B. So the present $890B is down from peak but hardly insignificant, and furthermore could as easily be presented as China not wanting to buy Treasuries while the Fed is increasing interest rates.
The same holds true for bonds held by banks. Bonds are simply borrowed money with a promise to repay the amount borrowed plus interest. You literally cannot lose absolute values of money on a bond unless either you sell it before maturity or the bond issuer defaults. In the case of Treasuries – the US will never literally default because it can literally print up new follars.
You can lose relative purchasing power of money in a bond, but that applies to everything.
Anyone who says the bonds held by banks are worthless is a charlatan.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 21:24 utc | 240

these papers are not “in russian” but in ukrainian language and writing, don’t mix that:
“… Various Ukrainian media (in Russian)…”

Posted by: pi | Nov 14 2023 21:26 utc | 241

these papers are not “in russian” but in ukrainian language and writing, don’t mix that:
“… Various Ukrainian media (in Russian)…”

Posted by: pi | Nov 14 2023 21:26 utc | 242

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 21:02 utc | 118
Quote from an American education expert:
“The US has never been first in the world, nor even near the top, on any international tests. Consistently over the past half century, American students have typically scored near the median at best, but most often being in the bottom quartile. The historical record indicates that American elementary students are only average at best, their performance degrading year by year until high school seniors perform last in almost all international tests. The International Science Studies that began in high schools in the late 1960s and early 1970s found that 14-year-olds were below average and seniors scored last of all countries. In the International Mathematics tests that began in the 1960s, American high school seniors scored last of all nations. In the 1982 International Mathematics Study, high school seniors placed at the bottom on almost every test. In terms of the PISA tests, American students – placing last – are simply following the pattern that has been consistent for the past 50 years or more.”
And a quote from one news report: “In October of 2013 a new global report issued by the OECD found that Americans ranked well below the worldwide average in just about every measure of skill. In math, reading, and technology-driven problem-solving , the United States performed worse than nearly every other country… The US would have looked even worse if China had been included in this study. In basic literacy – the ability to understand and use basic written text – 80% of Americans reached only a level 2 out of 5. And in math and numerical proficiency, using numbers in daily life, they are worse … and 10% scored below level 1. Technological literacy and ability were worse too. In problem-solving in a technological environment and the use of “cognitive skills required to solve problems”, the Americans were at the bottom.” And that bottom is in math, vocabulary, language usage and technology, with Chinese students far surpassing the Americans even when using a language that is not their own

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 14 2023 21:29 utc | 243

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 21:02 utc | 118
Quote from an American education expert:
“The US has never been first in the world, nor even near the top, on any international tests. Consistently over the past half century, American students have typically scored near the median at best, but most often being in the bottom quartile. The historical record indicates that American elementary students are only average at best, their performance degrading year by year until high school seniors perform last in almost all international tests. The International Science Studies that began in high schools in the late 1960s and early 1970s found that 14-year-olds were below average and seniors scored last of all countries. In the International Mathematics tests that began in the 1960s, American high school seniors scored last of all nations. In the 1982 International Mathematics Study, high school seniors placed at the bottom on almost every test. In terms of the PISA tests, American students – placing last – are simply following the pattern that has been consistent for the past 50 years or more.”
And a quote from one news report: “In October of 2013 a new global report issued by the OECD found that Americans ranked well below the worldwide average in just about every measure of skill. In math, reading, and technology-driven problem-solving , the United States performed worse than nearly every other country… The US would have looked even worse if China had been included in this study. In basic literacy – the ability to understand and use basic written text – 80% of Americans reached only a level 2 out of 5. And in math and numerical proficiency, using numbers in daily life, they are worse … and 10% scored below level 1. Technological literacy and ability were worse too. In problem-solving in a technological environment and the use of “cognitive skills required to solve problems”, the Americans were at the bottom.” And that bottom is in math, vocabulary, language usage and technology, with Chinese students far surpassing the Americans even when using a language that is not their own

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 14 2023 21:29 utc | 244

Demography Graph question: How can there be a Surplus of Males age 20-35? Hasn’t Ukraine lost a couple hundred thousand men (20-35) in the fighting?
Surplus of older women makes sense (men die younger), and Surplus of male children (1-15) isn’t that odd, but the war should have left Ukraine with a surplus of females in that 20-35 range.
Has Ukraine really exported enough “brides” to completely offset the war dead?

Posted by: elkern | Nov 14 2023 21:29 utc | 245

Demography Graph question: How can there be a Surplus of Males age 20-35? Hasn’t Ukraine lost a couple hundred thousand men (20-35) in the fighting?
Surplus of older women makes sense (men die younger), and Surplus of male children (1-15) isn’t that odd, but the war should have left Ukraine with a surplus of females in that 20-35 range.
Has Ukraine really exported enough “brides” to completely offset the war dead?

Posted by: elkern | Nov 14 2023 21:29 utc | 246

Tatters I tell you Tatters’ 😉
Hope that make sense? My brain hurts thinking that out. Need a cuppa or a few pints.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 14 2023 17:27 utc | 73
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Have a few pints on me – wonderful post – full of info not usually stated – or put together in quite that way.
thank you

Posted by: ms idaho | Nov 14 2023 21:32 utc | 247

Tatters I tell you Tatters’ 😉
Hope that make sense? My brain hurts thinking that out. Need a cuppa or a few pints.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 14 2023 17:27 utc | 73
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Have a few pints on me – wonderful post – full of info not usually stated – or put together in quite that way.
thank you

Posted by: ms idaho | Nov 14 2023 21:32 utc | 248

Clue in reply to Peter you said:
“For the foreseeable future. Especially if parasitizing Europe and Japan.”
Clue There may not be much left of Europe to parasitize.
“You don’t need a large absolute number of STEM graduates to make new weapons. You just need the smart ones working in the MIC. Civil infrastructure – nowhere remotely enough for even maintenance.”
That is a very silly comment. STEM brains need interchange of ideas to move forward. So just a few smart ones in the MIC will not be as effective unless interchanging ideas with another 1000 in other areas. Most big breakthroughs come from cross fertilization of ideas – a civilian idea adapted or even an idea from a quite different field even biomedicine or agriculture may trigger innovation. Relying on too many international imports is not a long term good idea. A quick look at the Mathematics departments of any US University will show the problem. It is serious.
“China has more Treasuries today than they did in 2009 – so the amount held is down but is hardly small nor tremendously divergent than the long term average.”
Clue – you do not think that a 40% decline since 2013 is significant. Comparing today with 2009 is also rather silly, given that in 2009 China was still very much in the middle of its sharp rise to economic superpower. Moreover the data you rely on is August 2023, we do not really know what has happened in September and October but probably more sell off if rather less.
“Increased interest is because of increased inflation. Increased inflation also reduces the repayment burden of existing debt. This is a dynamic process with damping mechanisms, not tipping points. Tipping points only occur with debt if the debt is foreign currency denominated.”
Hmm! There is more to interest rate rises than inflation. The level of perceived risk is also critical. I have not looked at any data but I suggest it might be useful to look at interest rates in comparison to inflation ie the risk premium that is added to the basic inflation component.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 14 2023 21:40 utc | 249

Clue in reply to Peter you said:
“For the foreseeable future. Especially if parasitizing Europe and Japan.”
Clue There may not be much left of Europe to parasitize.
“You don’t need a large absolute number of STEM graduates to make new weapons. You just need the smart ones working in the MIC. Civil infrastructure – nowhere remotely enough for even maintenance.”
That is a very silly comment. STEM brains need interchange of ideas to move forward. So just a few smart ones in the MIC will not be as effective unless interchanging ideas with another 1000 in other areas. Most big breakthroughs come from cross fertilization of ideas – a civilian idea adapted or even an idea from a quite different field even biomedicine or agriculture may trigger innovation. Relying on too many international imports is not a long term good idea. A quick look at the Mathematics departments of any US University will show the problem. It is serious.
“China has more Treasuries today than they did in 2009 – so the amount held is down but is hardly small nor tremendously divergent than the long term average.”
Clue – you do not think that a 40% decline since 2013 is significant. Comparing today with 2009 is also rather silly, given that in 2009 China was still very much in the middle of its sharp rise to economic superpower. Moreover the data you rely on is August 2023, we do not really know what has happened in September and October but probably more sell off if rather less.
“Increased interest is because of increased inflation. Increased inflation also reduces the repayment burden of existing debt. This is a dynamic process with damping mechanisms, not tipping points. Tipping points only occur with debt if the debt is foreign currency denominated.”
Hmm! There is more to interest rate rises than inflation. The level of perceived risk is also critical. I have not looked at any data but I suggest it might be useful to look at interest rates in comparison to inflation ie the risk premium that is added to the basic inflation component.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 14 2023 21:40 utc | 250

c1ue | Nov 14 2023 21:24 utc | 120
Putin gave a percentage, either 30 or 40% in relation to US dollars already in circulation. Considering the amount of US dollars in circulation just prior to covid, that is a huge sum. Although Putin never stated it as more than any other country, it obvious 30 or 40% of the dollars in circulation is a massive sum. No other country would have come anywhere near that Amount. It is total money printing around the world for that period is greater or smaller than the US money printing, but it is likely US printed more money than the rest of the world combined.
I’ll do some searches and see if I can find references that will give a rough idea what transcripts to look for and see if I can dig them up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 21:55 utc | 251

c1ue | Nov 14 2023 21:24 utc | 120
Putin gave a percentage, either 30 or 40% in relation to US dollars already in circulation. Considering the amount of US dollars in circulation just prior to covid, that is a huge sum. Although Putin never stated it as more than any other country, it obvious 30 or 40% of the dollars in circulation is a massive sum. No other country would have come anywhere near that Amount. It is total money printing around the world for that period is greater or smaller than the US money printing, but it is likely US printed more money than the rest of the world combined.
I’ll do some searches and see if I can find references that will give a rough idea what transcripts to look for and see if I can dig them up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 21:55 utc | 252

I used to post to Reddit comments and article published in the Kiev Post with the title:
Iodine deficiency problem remains unsolved in Ukraine
By Anastasia Forina. Published Aug. 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm
This article describe ” the systemic, wide spread RETARDATION of Western Ukrainians through a deliberate withholding of the dietary supplement “iodine”. This retardation of intellectual development caused Western Ukrainians to be on average 10 IQ points lower than Eastern Ukrainians and Russians.
After occasionally posting the link in Reddit comments, THE ARTICLE WAS EDITED TO SOFT PEDAL THE PROBLEM. You should look for a copy of the original article and not the later edited version of the article.

Posted by: Hot Carl | Nov 14 2023 21:59 utc | 253

I used to post to Reddit comments and article published in the Kiev Post with the title:
Iodine deficiency problem remains unsolved in Ukraine
By Anastasia Forina. Published Aug. 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm
This article describe ” the systemic, wide spread RETARDATION of Western Ukrainians through a deliberate withholding of the dietary supplement “iodine”. This retardation of intellectual development caused Western Ukrainians to be on average 10 IQ points lower than Eastern Ukrainians and Russians.
After occasionally posting the link in Reddit comments, THE ARTICLE WAS EDITED TO SOFT PEDAL THE PROBLEM. You should look for a copy of the original article and not the later edited version of the article.

Posted by: Hot Carl | Nov 14 2023 21:59 utc | 254

c1ue
Have found two references to a TV interview.
https://english.almanar.com.lb/1617596
“Almost all governments used the fiscal stimulus to help people and businesses affected by the Covid-19 lockdowns. Putin stressed that Russia did so “much more carefully and precisely,” without disrupting the macroeconomic picture or fueling inflation. In the United States, by contrast, the money supply increased by 38% – or $5.9 trillion – in less than two years, in what he referred to as the “unprecedented output of the printing press.”
“Apparently, the US financial authorities assumed that since the dollar is the world currency, as in the old days, this would dissipate throughout the world economy and would not be noticeable in the States. It turned out that this was not the case”, Putin said.”
Putin was warning about this at least as early as July 2021 https://www.dailysabah.com/business/economy/printing-us-dollar-affects-global-economy-putin-warns
And then there is this.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/money-printing-and-inflation%3A-covid-cryptocurrencies-and-more
“As of March 2021, COVID costs totaled $5.2 trillion. World War II cost $4.7 trillion (in today’s dollars).
All-in money printing totaled $13 trillion: $5.2 for COVID + $4.5 for quantitative easing + $3 for infrastructure. Mountains of money cause inflation
Inflation causes increases in interest rates, lowering bond prices
Increases in interest rates cause reductions in stock values
All-in spending was approaching $13 trillion as of mid-2021. That’s more than the US spent in it’s 13 most expensive wars combined.”
In reading that last one and looking at Putin’s 38% I assume now that covers all of US money printing for the covid period rather than just covid related money printing.
Putin said 5.9 trillion for covid in June 22, the nadaq article says 5.2 trillion as of Nov 21.
There is more on this but Putin has spoken about it a number of times, and to get the full picture would require tracking down all the transcripts where he has spoken about the US money printing of the covid era, and that appears to be total money printing rather than just covid related.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 22:17 utc | 255

c1ue
Have found two references to a TV interview.
https://english.almanar.com.lb/1617596
“Almost all governments used the fiscal stimulus to help people and businesses affected by the Covid-19 lockdowns. Putin stressed that Russia did so “much more carefully and precisely,” without disrupting the macroeconomic picture or fueling inflation. In the United States, by contrast, the money supply increased by 38% – or $5.9 trillion – in less than two years, in what he referred to as the “unprecedented output of the printing press.”
“Apparently, the US financial authorities assumed that since the dollar is the world currency, as in the old days, this would dissipate throughout the world economy and would not be noticeable in the States. It turned out that this was not the case”, Putin said.”
Putin was warning about this at least as early as July 2021 https://www.dailysabah.com/business/economy/printing-us-dollar-affects-global-economy-putin-warns
And then there is this.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/money-printing-and-inflation%3A-covid-cryptocurrencies-and-more
“As of March 2021, COVID costs totaled $5.2 trillion. World War II cost $4.7 trillion (in today’s dollars).
All-in money printing totaled $13 trillion: $5.2 for COVID + $4.5 for quantitative easing + $3 for infrastructure. Mountains of money cause inflation
Inflation causes increases in interest rates, lowering bond prices
Increases in interest rates cause reductions in stock values
All-in spending was approaching $13 trillion as of mid-2021. That’s more than the US spent in it’s 13 most expensive wars combined.”
In reading that last one and looking at Putin’s 38% I assume now that covers all of US money printing for the covid period rather than just covid related money printing.
Putin said 5.9 trillion for covid in June 22, the nadaq article says 5.2 trillion as of Nov 21.
There is more on this but Putin has spoken about it a number of times, and to get the full picture would require tracking down all the transcripts where he has spoken about the US money printing of the covid era, and that appears to be total money printing rather than just covid related.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 22:17 utc | 256

Real basic. Some here seem not to know. If anyone, bank or person or institution, is holding old bonds that were issued at 3% and new bonds are being issued at 4-1/2%, to sell the 3% bonds the seller must offer a discount. A 3% bond is not worth as much as a 4-1/2% bond. Most buyers will purchase the new bond and not try to guess the lower value of the old bond. Is that complicated? It does get complicated when psychology is figured in or when buyers believe that real inflation is 10%. That is another story.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 14 2023 22:20 utc | 257

Real basic. Some here seem not to know. If anyone, bank or person or institution, is holding old bonds that were issued at 3% and new bonds are being issued at 4-1/2%, to sell the 3% bonds the seller must offer a discount. A 3% bond is not worth as much as a 4-1/2% bond. Most buyers will purchase the new bond and not try to guess the lower value of the old bond. Is that complicated? It does get complicated when psychology is figured in or when buyers believe that real inflation is 10%. That is another story.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 14 2023 22:20 utc | 258

The demographics is there for everyone to see: there are around 4 million Ukrainian men between the ages of 18 and 40 years old.
If the west said “until the last Ukrainian” then this means that there are still 5 million bodies ready to be cannon fodder in a few more counter-offensives.
And then there are also a lot more men above 40 years of age.
And each year a few more of the under-18 generations come of age.
The fight is far from over, Ukraine advances in Kherson river islands forcing Russia to reallocate resources,.and is planning more axis of attack in that region.
The war might go on like this for years. Russia is far from being able to do that “flood”. It can’t even take Ugledar…
But I have no illusions, time is on Russia’s side, and if this goes on longer, Ukraine will have no future.
And if that’s the price to pay for the western genocidal empire’s geopolitic goal of hurting Russia (and Iran, and China, etc), then they are very comfortable with that. As long as the MIC’s paychecks keep coming for those corrupt “leaders” asking for more weapons and stealing the taxpayer’s money, for each Ukrainian corpse, a bottle of Champagne open in the West. Even if it takes 10 Ukrainian bodies or more just to defeat one Russian.
Disgusting.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Nov 14 2023 22:21 utc | 259

The demographics is there for everyone to see: there are around 4 million Ukrainian men between the ages of 18 and 40 years old.
If the west said “until the last Ukrainian” then this means that there are still 5 million bodies ready to be cannon fodder in a few more counter-offensives.
And then there are also a lot more men above 40 years of age.
And each year a few more of the under-18 generations come of age.
The fight is far from over, Ukraine advances in Kherson river islands forcing Russia to reallocate resources,.and is planning more axis of attack in that region.
The war might go on like this for years. Russia is far from being able to do that “flood”. It can’t even take Ugledar…
But I have no illusions, time is on Russia’s side, and if this goes on longer, Ukraine will have no future.
And if that’s the price to pay for the western genocidal empire’s geopolitic goal of hurting Russia (and Iran, and China, etc), then they are very comfortable with that. As long as the MIC’s paychecks keep coming for those corrupt “leaders” asking for more weapons and stealing the taxpayer’s money, for each Ukrainian corpse, a bottle of Champagne open in the West. Even if it takes 10 Ukrainian bodies or more just to defeat one Russian.
Disgusting.

Posted by: Carlos Marques | Nov 14 2023 22:21 utc | 260

Here are some questions about some topics which seem to be forgotten by the scriptwriter of this tragedy:
– what happened to the chinese peace envoy? Any progress?
– what is the status of the grain deal and the old boats bought to force the “blocade”? Any progress for the new river road?
– old man Luka seems quiet, did the holiday camp stop ask asking for a trip to the west?
– africa totally disappeared from the screens. No more complaints?
– anyone knows how the story of the boat full of german cars that burned near albion progressed? Did the insurer honor his signature?
– what happened to that toxic cloud after visiting west belarus? Did it go south? Some complaints from albion appeared this week. What’s the purpose?
– how come hungary is adamant against the budget vote for ukraine and in the same time against the vote at the UN for a ceasefire in palestine? Even better how did the majority who voted to oust the speaker find itself composed by a majority of the opposite camp? Are they chekmating themselves from both sides of the atlantic on purpose?
– what happened to the westanians who were under mariupol? Did they ever appear again on the news? Remember that their colleagues denied their presence underground.
A day to day analysis is good to keep tracking all those shifting blocks but sometimes it is useful to check how did the older ones evolve.

Posted by: Griggio | Nov 14 2023 22:21 utc | 261

Here are some questions about some topics which seem to be forgotten by the scriptwriter of this tragedy:
– what happened to the chinese peace envoy? Any progress?
– what is the status of the grain deal and the old boats bought to force the “blocade”? Any progress for the new river road?
– old man Luka seems quiet, did the holiday camp stop ask asking for a trip to the west?
– africa totally disappeared from the screens. No more complaints?
– anyone knows how the story of the boat full of german cars that burned near albion progressed? Did the insurer honor his signature?
– what happened to that toxic cloud after visiting west belarus? Did it go south? Some complaints from albion appeared this week. What’s the purpose?
– how come hungary is adamant against the budget vote for ukraine and in the same time against the vote at the UN for a ceasefire in palestine? Even better how did the majority who voted to oust the speaker find itself composed by a majority of the opposite camp? Are they chekmating themselves from both sides of the atlantic on purpose?
– what happened to the westanians who were under mariupol? Did they ever appear again on the news? Remember that their colleagues denied their presence underground.
A day to day analysis is good to keep tracking all those shifting blocks but sometimes it is useful to check how did the older ones evolve.

Posted by: Griggio | Nov 14 2023 22:21 utc | 262

Tedder @ 61:
“The Ukraine” used to be standard use in English due in part to the original meaning of the term “kray” or “krayna” in most Slavic languages. The term means “frontier” or “borderland”. Even in Russia today, some administrative regions still have “kray” as part of their name and in this context “kray” means “territory”, in the way Australians understand the Northern Territory to be as such.
So in a narrow technical sense, referring to “The Ukraine” is referring to a very specific area that used to be a borderland region. Calling the country “Ukraine” instead of “The Ukraine” is, in a sense, potentially confusing because you could be talking about any borderland region in eastern Europe. There is still an area in southeast Europe shared by Croatia and Serbia (I think) known as Krajina (pronounced “kra-yee-na”).

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 14 2023 22:24 utc | 263

Tedder @ 61:
“The Ukraine” used to be standard use in English due in part to the original meaning of the term “kray” or “krayna” in most Slavic languages. The term means “frontier” or “borderland”. Even in Russia today, some administrative regions still have “kray” as part of their name and in this context “kray” means “territory”, in the way Australians understand the Northern Territory to be as such.
So in a narrow technical sense, referring to “The Ukraine” is referring to a very specific area that used to be a borderland region. Calling the country “Ukraine” instead of “The Ukraine” is, in a sense, potentially confusing because you could be talking about any borderland region in eastern Europe. There is still an area in southeast Europe shared by Croatia and Serbia (I think) known as Krajina (pronounced “kra-yee-na”).

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 14 2023 22:24 utc | 264

Regarding STEM graduates, for all the problems with USA, it has one great superpower advantage over China and Russia, which is its ability to attract STEM graduates from the rest of the world. Google founders were Russian, current gead of Google and Microsoft are Indian, WhatsApp founder was Ukrainian, Silicon valley is overflowing with young geniuses from both Western and Eastern Europe, Russia, Ukraine, China, India, Africa, Muslim world, South America. No other country attracts young genius level immigrants like the USA. USA could, if it wanted or needed to do so, bump this superpower up by a factor of 10 by upping immigration quotas and building lots more high rise housing in California. Russia and China are incapable of digesting immigrants. Europe can only digest a small number. All of the USA financial problems can easily by solved by using its brain drain superpower to the max.
You can laugh all you want at things like Gay Pride parades, trannie hour at the public library, etc, and I’ll laugh with you, but the evidence is clear: USA popular culture together with USA venture capital opportunities are immensely attractive to young genius types.

Posted by: anonposter | Nov 14 2023 22:24 utc | 265

Regarding STEM graduates, for all the problems with USA, it has one great superpower advantage over China and Russia, which is its ability to attract STEM graduates from the rest of the world. Google founders were Russian, current gead of Google and Microsoft are Indian, WhatsApp founder was Ukrainian, Silicon valley is overflowing with young geniuses from both Western and Eastern Europe, Russia, Ukraine, China, India, Africa, Muslim world, South America. No other country attracts young genius level immigrants like the USA. USA could, if it wanted or needed to do so, bump this superpower up by a factor of 10 by upping immigration quotas and building lots more high rise housing in California. Russia and China are incapable of digesting immigrants. Europe can only digest a small number. All of the USA financial problems can easily by solved by using its brain drain superpower to the max.
You can laugh all you want at things like Gay Pride parades, trannie hour at the public library, etc, and I’ll laugh with you, but the evidence is clear: USA popular culture together with USA venture capital opportunities are immensely attractive to young genius types.

Posted by: anonposter | Nov 14 2023 22:24 utc | 266

anonposter | Nov 14 2023 22:24 utc | 133
silicon valley…silly con valley social media? US/UK have used it a lot in their influence operations but that will come to an end. Goes nowhere near addressing real world stem the US needs. Infrastructure, civil aircraft, Automotive, But most of all to maintain an empire, to remain current in the military world is the stem graduates for the MIC.
But thinking about it, even the silly cons require electronic engineering for their hardware. Programmer would look pretty silly without a computer.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 22:33 utc | 267

anonposter | Nov 14 2023 22:24 utc | 133
silicon valley…silly con valley social media? US/UK have used it a lot in their influence operations but that will come to an end. Goes nowhere near addressing real world stem the US needs. Infrastructure, civil aircraft, Automotive, But most of all to maintain an empire, to remain current in the military world is the stem graduates for the MIC.
But thinking about it, even the silly cons require electronic engineering for their hardware. Programmer would look pretty silly without a computer.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 22:33 utc | 268

“…Mao’s detractors – revisionists and reactionaries – have tried to accuse him of being parochial and too China-centred….” Born Free@111
So far as I know Mao spent most of the time in the 1920s involved in political activity. He was 27 in 1920 and approaching middle age by the end of the decade. I believe that he was married too, a member of the important committees in Shanghai and later re-acquainting himself with real life in the countryside. After the 1927 coup he was deeply involved in protecting communists from the KMT and the military.
Anyone who feels that he would have been better employed drifting around Paris either needs his head examined or has a subscription to Foreign Affairs.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 22:34 utc | 269

“…Mao’s detractors – revisionists and reactionaries – have tried to accuse him of being parochial and too China-centred….” Born Free@111
So far as I know Mao spent most of the time in the 1920s involved in political activity. He was 27 in 1920 and approaching middle age by the end of the decade. I believe that he was married too, a member of the important committees in Shanghai and later re-acquainting himself with real life in the countryside. After the 1927 coup he was deeply involved in protecting communists from the KMT and the military.
Anyone who feels that he would have been better employed drifting around Paris either needs his head examined or has a subscription to Foreign Affairs.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 22:34 utc | 270

#120 With regard to China’s holding of Treasuries, note that it hit $1.3tn+ in 2011 and 2014 when China’s GDP was 7.55tn and 10.4tn respectively so it was as much as 17% of China’s GDP.
It’s currently at 809bn with China’s GDP at about 19tn, so approaching 4% of China’s GDP, despite much, much higher interest rates. That’s a drop of 75%.
Seems to me like a massive loss of confidence in the safety of US Treasuries.

Posted by: Billb | Nov 14 2023 22:36 utc | 271

#120 With regard to China’s holding of Treasuries, note that it hit $1.3tn+ in 2011 and 2014 when China’s GDP was 7.55tn and 10.4tn respectively so it was as much as 17% of China’s GDP.
It’s currently at 809bn with China’s GDP at about 19tn, so approaching 4% of China’s GDP, despite much, much higher interest rates. That’s a drop of 75%.
Seems to me like a massive loss of confidence in the safety of US Treasuries.

Posted by: Billb | Nov 14 2023 22:36 utc | 272

@c1ue 120
” the US will never literally default because it can literally print up new dollars.”
We are not paying interest or principal to the Russian government on its US Treasuries, so yes it is possible to have a default on US Treasuries.
In terms of Chinese and foreign holdings of US Treasuries and T-Bills, it is now ~ 18% of total issuance and was ~ 34% in around 2009 IIRC. The website wolfstreet.com had a chart on that several weeks ago.

Posted by: schmoe | Nov 14 2023 22:42 utc | 273

@c1ue 120
” the US will never literally default because it can literally print up new dollars.”
We are not paying interest or principal to the Russian government on its US Treasuries, so yes it is possible to have a default on US Treasuries.
In terms of Chinese and foreign holdings of US Treasuries and T-Bills, it is now ~ 18% of total issuance and was ~ 34% in around 2009 IIRC. The website wolfstreet.com had a chart on that several weeks ago.

Posted by: schmoe | Nov 14 2023 22:42 utc | 274

“Finally, as many others have commented, it is important to remember that Putin could have gone the “shock and awe” route, similar to the West and Israel and just wiped out large parts of the Ukie civilian population and infrastructure. AT ANY TIME HE COULD DO THIS, he could do it now, using just conventional weapons. He did not. He was as careful and judicious as one could be in two years of war with peer or near peer adversaries. At the cost of serious Russian blood.”
The sociopaths running the West see this, not as reasonableness or humanitarianism, but as contemptible weakness.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 14 2023 22:43 utc | 275

“Finally, as many others have commented, it is important to remember that Putin could have gone the “shock and awe” route, similar to the West and Israel and just wiped out large parts of the Ukie civilian population and infrastructure. AT ANY TIME HE COULD DO THIS, he could do it now, using just conventional weapons. He did not. He was as careful and judicious as one could be in two years of war with peer or near peer adversaries. At the cost of serious Russian blood.”
The sociopaths running the West see this, not as reasonableness or humanitarianism, but as contemptible weakness.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 14 2023 22:43 utc | 276

Elkern @ 123:
Estimates are that 84 to 90% of Ukrainian refugees living in other countries are women with children, depending on which sources you consult. This probably also explains the low numbers of children in the younger age groups for both sexes.
Draft-age men are not allowed to leave Ukraine and for the time being, women with qualifications in medicine, health care and pharmacy work are forbidden from leaving the country.
That males slightly outnumber females in the age groups up to the age of 15 years is a natural biological phenomenon in humans. In most populations, for every 100 girls born, there are usually 105 boys born.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 14 2023 22:44 utc | 277

Elkern @ 123:
Estimates are that 84 to 90% of Ukrainian refugees living in other countries are women with children, depending on which sources you consult. This probably also explains the low numbers of children in the younger age groups for both sexes.
Draft-age men are not allowed to leave Ukraine and for the time being, women with qualifications in medicine, health care and pharmacy work are forbidden from leaving the country.
That males slightly outnumber females in the age groups up to the age of 15 years is a natural biological phenomenon in humans. In most populations, for every 100 girls born, there are usually 105 boys born.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 14 2023 22:44 utc | 278

Sirus report twitter channel is good on the general run of things financial. Has noted consecutive months and how much China is unloading treasuries. That seems to have sped up in recent months. Also notes total flow of physical gold into China rather than just central bank, though they do watch Central bank gold buying around the world. Would have to look it up again but something like 1000 tons of physical gold per month has been flowing into China for some months – that includes Hong Kong.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 22:45 utc | 279

Sirus report twitter channel is good on the general run of things financial. Has noted consecutive months and how much China is unloading treasuries. That seems to have sped up in recent months. Also notes total flow of physical gold into China rather than just central bank, though they do watch Central bank gold buying around the world. Would have to look it up again but something like 1000 tons of physical gold per month has been flowing into China for some months – that includes Hong Kong.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 22:45 utc | 280

Anonposter @ 133:
Yes, I’m sure streets crowded with fentanyl-hooked addicts and strewn with faeces and filth in California’s cities will attract STEM graduates from all over the world to work in Silicon Valley.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 14 2023 22:48 utc | 281

Anonposter @ 133:
Yes, I’m sure streets crowded with fentanyl-hooked addicts and strewn with faeces and filth in California’s cities will attract STEM graduates from all over the world to work in Silicon Valley.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 14 2023 22:48 utc | 282

The sociopaths running the West see this, not as reasonableness or humanitarianism, but as contemptible weakness.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 14 2023 22:43 utc | 138
Then that is the way to go. Europe has destroyed itself by thinking Russia weak. US MIC and Nato are weakened by it. Russia has destroyed everything thrown at them and is stronger now than before the start of the SMO. Both economically and militarily. Russian standing in world has greatly increased by not only being able to withstand the sanctions but use them to make its economy boom.
I often felt that the Nato trap for Russia in Ukraine had been turned into a trap for Nato. This has proven correct. Russia drew them in deeper and deeper.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 22:54 utc | 283

The sociopaths running the West see this, not as reasonableness or humanitarianism, but as contemptible weakness.
Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 14 2023 22:43 utc | 138
Then that is the way to go. Europe has destroyed itself by thinking Russia weak. US MIC and Nato are weakened by it. Russia has destroyed everything thrown at them and is stronger now than before the start of the SMO. Both economically and militarily. Russian standing in world has greatly increased by not only being able to withstand the sanctions but use them to make its economy boom.
I often felt that the Nato trap for Russia in Ukraine had been turned into a trap for Nato. This has proven correct. Russia drew them in deeper and deeper.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 22:54 utc | 284

Talent will out.
“Telecom giant Veon announced on Wednesday that it has appointed ex-CIA director and former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to the board of directors of its Ukrainian subsidiary, Kievstar.
“Pompeo is joining the Kiev-based operator as “an independent non-executive director,” in his capacity as a partner of Impact Investments, described by Veon as “a newly established US-based strategic and financial advisory and investment firm.”…” RT

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 23:02 utc | 285

Talent will out.
“Telecom giant Veon announced on Wednesday that it has appointed ex-CIA director and former US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to the board of directors of its Ukrainian subsidiary, Kievstar.
“Pompeo is joining the Kiev-based operator as “an independent non-executive director,” in his capacity as a partner of Impact Investments, described by Veon as “a newly established US-based strategic and financial advisory and investment firm.”…” RT

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 23:02 utc | 286

elkern@123
I wouldn’t trust any demographic data for Ukraine published after 2004 as this type of comprehensive data became increasingly politically fraught as time progressed. Everything published after 2013 is particularly suspect. I believe most of the post 2013 data was collected by NGOs with a variety of agendas or estimates by other external bodies like the World Bank. Reasonable estimates can be made based on the 2001 national census and reasonable extrapolations from it.
Post SMO men of draft age were forbidden to leave while women and children could and did.

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 14 2023 23:04 utc | 287

elkern@123
I wouldn’t trust any demographic data for Ukraine published after 2004 as this type of comprehensive data became increasingly politically fraught as time progressed. Everything published after 2013 is particularly suspect. I believe most of the post 2013 data was collected by NGOs with a variety of agendas or estimates by other external bodies like the World Bank. Reasonable estimates can be made based on the 2001 national census and reasonable extrapolations from it.
Post SMO men of draft age were forbidden to leave while women and children could and did.

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 14 2023 23:04 utc | 288

But on the flip side: the US is basically self sufficient in food and energy unlike Europe and Japan.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 20:34 utc | 113
Except the energy self sufficiently is illusory at best. The decline of fracking resources means that within a decade the US will most definitely not be self sufficient. There is not any alternative energy source capable of providing what the US uses.

Posted by: The Fox | Nov 14 2023 23:06 utc | 291

But on the flip side: the US is basically self sufficient in food and energy unlike Europe and Japan.
Posted by: c1ue | Nov 14 2023 20:34 utc | 113
Except the energy self sufficiently is illusory at best. The decline of fracking resources means that within a decade the US will most definitely not be self sufficient. There is not any alternative energy source capable of providing what the US uses.

Posted by: The Fox | Nov 14 2023 23:06 utc | 292

bevin | Nov 14 2023 23:02 utc | 143–
Pompeo seems a tad late to the Gravy Train.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2023 23:10 utc | 293

bevin | Nov 14 2023 23:02 utc | 143–
Pompeo seems a tad late to the Gravy Train.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 14 2023 23:10 utc | 294

The Fox | Nov 14 2023 23:06 utc | 146
Canada?
@135
Foreign Affairs.=Foreign Policy.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 23:12 utc | 295

The Fox | Nov 14 2023 23:06 utc | 146
Canada?
@135
Foreign Affairs.=Foreign Policy.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 23:12 utc | 296

anonposter | Nov 14 2023 22:24 utc | 133
*** You can laugh all you want at things like Gay Pride parades, trannie hour at the public library, etc, and I’ll laugh with you, but the evidence is clear: USA popular culture together with USA venture capital opportunities are immensely attractive to young genius types.***
Well, let’s hope these types all emigrate to there. It certainly is regrettable that — given the secure and absolute control of its “exceptionalist” political/financial/corporate/militaristic Establishment — the synthetic, toxic entity known as the USA may eventually have to be nuked out of existence in order to save the rest of the world … but if these alleged “young genius types” get concentrated there, it does reduce the aforementioned degree of regret.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 14 2023 23:33 utc | 297

anonposter | Nov 14 2023 22:24 utc | 133
*** You can laugh all you want at things like Gay Pride parades, trannie hour at the public library, etc, and I’ll laugh with you, but the evidence is clear: USA popular culture together with USA venture capital opportunities are immensely attractive to young genius types.***
Well, let’s hope these types all emigrate to there. It certainly is regrettable that — given the secure and absolute control of its “exceptionalist” political/financial/corporate/militaristic Establishment — the synthetic, toxic entity known as the USA may eventually have to be nuked out of existence in order to save the rest of the world … but if these alleged “young genius types” get concentrated there, it does reduce the aforementioned degree of regret.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 14 2023 23:33 utc | 298

So the latest narrative, as posted on RT, is that the current ‘stalemate’ in Ukraine could persist for up to 5 years. Maybe that’s what Pompous has in his brain.

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 14 2023 23:38 utc | 299

So the latest narrative, as posted on RT, is that the current ‘stalemate’ in Ukraine could persist for up to 5 years. Maybe that’s what Pompous has in his brain.

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 14 2023 23:38 utc | 300