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November 02, 2023

Ukraine SitRep: Technologies And Stalemate - Zaluzny's Failures

There are three new pieces in the Economist with the Ukrainian General Zaluzny.

The first is an interview:

Ukraine’s commander-in-chief on the breakthrough he needs to beat Russia - Economist - Nov 1, 2023

The second is an op-ed written by Zaluzny himself:

The commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces on what he needs to beat Russia - Economist - Nov 1, 2023
Technology is the key as the war becomes “positional”, says Valery Zaluzhny

The op-ed is the short form of a longer essay by Zaluzny which is also available at the Economist site:

MODERN POSITIONAL WARFARE AND HOW TO WIN IN IT - Economist - Nov 1, 2023

Zaluzny's central thesis is that the war is currently at a stalemate. It has become positional, with no large maneuvers being possible. He compares it to the war in Europe in 1917. There, he says, a change only happened through the introduction of new technologies (i.e. tanks).

Zaluzny recognizes that the long term winner in a positional war will be Russia:

[D]ue to many subjective and objective reasons, the war at the present stage is gradually moving to a positional form, a way out of which in the historical retrospect has always been difficult for both the Armed Forces and the state as a whole. At the same time, the prolongation of a war, as a rule, in most cases, is beneficial to one of the parties to the conflict. In our particular case, it is the russian federation, as it gives it the opportunity to reconstitute and build up its military power. Therefore, the issues of understanding the causes of such a situation, finding possible ways out of it and changing the nature and course of this war in favour of Ukraine are of particular relevance in modern conditions.

Zaluzny thinks that the way to end the positional warfare stalemate are new technologies. His solution is to ask for, and to heavily invest in,  certain fields that might give Ukraine an advantage.

He wants masses of drones, more small electronic warfare systems, better counter-artillery abilities, better and more mine breaching technologies and last but not least more build-up of reserves.

I for one think that Zaluzny is mistaken. The war is not at a stalemate. Russia has clearly the advantage as it is free to maneuver along the whole frontline and to attack wherever it likes. It does not do so in full force because the current situation allows it to conveniently fulfill the order its commander in chief had given to it - to destroy the military capabilities of Ukraine.

None of the technologies Zaluzny has listed are really new. They are capabilities Russia already has, and which the Ukraine clearly lacks - at least in numbers. During the two decades of the war of terror the West has neglected to deeply invest in these fields while Russia had continued to further develop them. It is an advantage that will be hard to catch up with.

One more point on the last change Zaluzny wants to implement - the build-up of reserves.

It is Ukraine's strategy of 'attack everywhere' and of 'never giving ground for lives', that has prevented it from doing that. This may well be because of Zelenski's insistence of holding Bakhmut and currently of holding Avdiivka at whatever the price. Both have cost the Ukraine a huge amount of material and men. Zelenski insisted on attacking and on holding out because he needed to show success to get more money and weapons.

That strategy has failed and it has killed the Ukrainian army:

Since the start of the invasion, Ukraine has refused to release official counts of dead and wounded. But according to U.S. and European estimates, the toll has long surpassed 100,000 on each side of the war. It has eroded the ranks of Ukraine’s armed forces so badly that draft offices have been forced to call up ever older personnel, raising the average age of a soldier in Ukraine to around 43 years. “They’re grown men now, and they aren’t that healthy to begin with,” says the close aide to Zelensky. “This is Ukraine. Not Scandinavia.”

It was Zaluzny's task, as the top military leader, to convince the civilian leadership of the right way to fight the war.

One year ago, after the Russian forces left Kherson city, the Ukrainian army should have gone to solely defensive positions along geographic features that give an advantage. Russia would have had to attack and to endure higher losses. But we still do not see even one decently build Ukrainian defense line. Instead reserves still get thrown into failing attacks and to hold on to obviously lost cauldron positions.


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During the last days tanks from the 47th brigade (Leo 2) and 10th mountain brigade (T-64BM/BV) have been seen, and were destroyed, near Avdiivka. Both brigades had only recently been mauled during their hopeless attacks at the southern front. It does not make sense to throw what is left of them into another battle without reconstituting them. The whole experience and knowledge these brigades had gained will be lost with them.

Zaluzny shows no sign of acknowledging those mistakes. If Zelenzki did not follow his military advice he should have resigned. If he has agreed with Zelenzki's strategy his judgment has simply failed. It is now far too late to correct for either.

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To be fair to Ukraine, one reason for the relatively high average age of soldiers was their innovative conscription policy, which had a minimum age of 27 (just reduced to 25). Historically most countries have used 18-27 as the core of their conscript armies. The Brits started with 18-41 and then 17-21 in post-war National Service which might still see you fighting in Malaya.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_Kingdom

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 2 2023 13:40 utc | 1

"New technologies" did not break the stalemate of the first World War -- the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed. And most likely the world would be a much better place today.

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Nov 2 2023 13:42 utc | 2

The grift will continue as long as the fighting continues. Those doing the fighting and dying are not recipients of the grift. Therefore, the fighting will continue.

Posted by: Scott | Nov 2 2023 13:43 utc | 3

Equally if Boris Johnson did not agree with Biden's political advice , he should have resigned. Oh. He did.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 2 2023 13:44 utc | 4

The Russians declared the war of attrition after they withdrew from kiev, the war will be essentially stalemated until ukraine runs out of people or they stop fighting under the pressure.

Russias advantage is having more people to die, period.

Ukraine is betting on russian will to stop first.

This is the war. There will be no surrenders or great advances until one side runs out of its weakest link.

And ukraine has received a lot more weapons than announced, enough for everyone to fight in the country. Western propaganda notwithstanding.

If you want a tell, wait until you DONT hear that ukraine is rushing in reserves, B.

Otherwise you fall for the false hope that is the western propaganda that ukriane isn't getting enough weapons. They have more than enough to kill everyone.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 2 2023 13:53 utc | 5

"The war is not at a stalemate. Russia has clearly the advantage as it is free to maneuver along the whole frontline and to attack wherever it likes."

While I generally agree with this post, this part in particular is hard to defend. With initiative passing from Ukraine to Russia, Russia's grand plan is to attempt to pinch off a salient (also the most heavily fortified point on Ukraine's line). Such a move is bound to be expensive in lives and material, and by definition cannot create any type of breakthrough. The only goal is to grind down Ukraine attritionally and win a propaganda victory. This shows the real limits of Russia operational vision at this point, and largely supports Zaluzny's that the war is stalemating.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 6

I have absolute confidence in Elensky and Zal to turn things around very soon and drive the orcs back to Mordor.

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 2 2023 14:06 utc | 7

Zelenski's orders demonstrate goals rational to Ukraine and goals rational to its NATO backed global monopoly powered privately owned corporate masters are at odds. Zelenski cannot serve two masters at once; especially when the goals are non congruent. Zelenski is corporate owned slave driver.. He has driven his Ukrainian slaves to exert their effort to serve the interest of the private corporations and the Oligarchs who own them; it is the private interest which hold the monopoly powers which the Russian economy threatens.
Monopolies in oil, gas, farm output, weapons, space, bioscience, and converting state money (by grant or loans or performance contracts) to private use are evident thus far. IMO, it is really wrong to look at the SMO as an invasion by Russia of Ukraine. It should be looked at more as a final defense put forth by Russia to restrain NATO from imposing the intentions of the interest seeking to acquire, achieve or keep exclusive, privately owned, monopolist greed that control NATO.

Posted by: snake | Nov 2 2023 14:07 utc | 8

3.the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed.

That's the Disney version ... during the winter of 1917-18 German civilians were starving to death because of the naval blockade which led to a revolution and a socialist government in November 1918.

Yes the Americans showed up and 1918 and by coincidence the Germans surrendered in 1918 however the germans at the time were carrying out a successful offensive bolstered by the massive number of troops freed up by Russia's capitulation.

The offensive ran out of supplies due to the blockade ... the Germans weren't defeated in battle. This is where Hitler's infamous "stab in the back" theory came from and he blamed the jews because they were responsible for the German revolution in his eyes.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 2 2023 14:08 utc | 9

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Nov 2 2023 13:42 utc | 3

One of the great opportunities of world history was blown by the US in WWI. Rather than go to war on the side of the British, French and Russians against the Central Powers, the US should have entered the war on the side of the Central Powers in 1917.

Russia was already in defeat marked by the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk which rendered Europe resource self sufficient and leaving Russia to wallow in Bolshevism ending the Asiatic threat for 100's of years.

The British Empire would have fallen in the US lap like a ripe plum. Its exhausted military would have withdrawn to old Blighty where a US embargo would have soon enough forced surrender.

France was already a spent force after the 1917 Army Mutiny and would have been rapidly mopped up by the German military. A joint Central Power - US alliance could have then formed a UN type structure with the newly liberated colonies. Under the "American Economic System" there would have been a new Golden Age for the planet having defanged the traditional warmongers, England, France and Russia.

Instead, here we are, staring straight down the barrel of WWIII.

Posted by: Oswald | Nov 2 2023 14:12 utc | 10

As the stages of grief go. I guess this are now the ‘Bargaining’ (Ukraine) and ‘Anger’ (Palestinian mass murder) one’s.

Has that General been in public appearances anyway?

We have seen the Denial, already over the years - this grief goes a long way before the SMO began and is a Geopolitical Death of The Collective Wests drive for Domination of The World.

Anger at Russia and China and anyone who stood up against being dominated. Pretty much a reason for most of the wars over the past two centuries.
Anger as xenophobia and racism against Arabs, Russians, Chinese…every single peoples who Resist.

Denial of the Multipolar new reality.

Acceptance? Most of the Western populations will just carry on living their daily lives, never having had any control over their fates , regardless of how much they believe they were equal to their Masters Ambitions.

The Economist mutterings display its Masters Depression stage
Do Psychopaths get depressed?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 2 2023 14:12 utc | 11

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 7

Not really.

Advika can be, more or less, sieged and, from the Ukraine point of view, loosing or having it sieged would be a massive loss, strategically and prpagandistically.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:13 utc | 12

New Technologies come from Investment and Research, time and ingenuity.
Hmm...
Apparently Ukraine is a Street Brawler, unaware of his surroundings, no sense of the power of his opponent, and no survival plan.
Being egged on by others, stroking its big ego.
How many Ukrainians, if they looked honestly inwards, would have taken Russia up on its offer before the SMO/war?
The United States of Belligerence just slipped out of Afghanistan in the middle of the night, yet Ukraine apparently missed the message.
Give the Ukrainian People the choice of Peace with Russia, the execution of all Ukrainian War Mongers, or continuing enrichment/theft for the scum at the top of the Ukrainian food chain.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 2 2023 14:15 utc | 13


Zaluzny thinks that the way to end the positional warfare stalemate are new technologies. His solution is to ask for, and to heavily invest in, certain fields that might give Ukraine an advantage.

Wunderwaffe!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 2 2023 14:15 utc | 14

Perhaps what is happening, as in regards to "static warfare", is that drones, night-vision equipment, electronic signal intelligence etc. recon technologies have made the prospects of old-style large maneuver attacks must less profitable. Therefore, those sort of tactics are rarely used - except we have seen it in Ukraine, mostly being done by AFU, and during the first 6 months. And during their counter-offensive, and now first days of RUAF Avdeevka attack.

Since it's impossible to concentrate a large force in a small area, which makes it impossible to initiate such attacks. Instead, small-unit tactics prevail, which might create the optical illusion that nothing is happening on a large front. But zoomed into the sub-kilometre level, a lot of things continue happening in maneuvers, just on a smaller scale.

Currently, even with a seemingly static front, AFU does initiate attacks. In Rabotyne, they have tried continuous armored-infantry attacks to the west, where they are wrecked with drones and other means. This has been a failure.

In Avdeevka, they have attempted several counterattacks including with Bradley's and Leopard 2's. This failed as well.

They might yet launch a "larger" attack from Pervomaiske on the southern pincer of Avdeevka. We'll see how that goes.

In Kupyansk area, the eastern stronghold of Kyslivka is on the verge of being surrounded.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 14:16 utc | 15

Perhaps what is happening, as in regards to "static warfare", is that drones, night-vision equipment, electronic signal intelligence etc. recon technologies have made the prospects of old-style large maneuver attacks must less profitable. Therefore, those sort of tactics are rarely used - except we have seen it in Ukraine, mostly being done by AFU, and during the first 6 months. And during their counter-offensive, and now first days of RUAF Avdeevka attack.

Since it's impossible to concentrate a large force in a small area, which makes it impossible to initiate such attacks. Instead, small-unit tactics prevail, which might create the optical illusion that nothing is happening on a large front. But zoomed into the sub-kilometre level, a lot of things continue happening in maneuvers, just on a smaller scale.

Currently, even with a seemingly static front, AFU does initiate attacks. In Rabotyne, they have tried continuous armored-infantry attacks to the west, where they are wrecked with drones and other means. This has been a failure.

In Avdeevka, they have attempted several counterattacks including with Bradley's and Leopard 2's. This failed as well.

They might yet launch a "larger" attack from Pervomaiske on the southern pincer of Avdeevka. We'll see how that goes.

In Kupyansk area, the eastern stronghold of Kyslivka is on the verge of being surrounded.

Posted by: _unimperator_ | Nov 2 2023 14:17 utc | 16


AP cut and paste drivel still going strong.


https://www.thejournal.ie/russia-denies-stalemate-ukraine-war-6212966-Nov2023/

Posted by: jpc | Nov 2 2023 14:21 utc | 17

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:13 utc | 13

Certainly for propaganda, as I said, but strategic? No. It can end the shelling of Donestsk, but that's about it. By definition, pinching off a salient cannot create a breakthrough, and there is no evidence any significant number of troops could be encircled (Russia failed to do this in much larger Bahkmut). Even if Russia is successful here, are they closer to any other goal? Again, this shows the limits of their vision and the ossifying of the front lines.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:39 utc | 18

Seems that Ukraine is busily responding to the Time cover story.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 14:41 utc | 19

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:13 utc | 13

Re. Avdeevka there is also another possibility. That RUAF might adapt its plans frequently and on the basis what the opponent is doing, rather than stubbornly stick to one initial plan regardless whether the cube fits in the triangle or not.

They might see the AFU stripping other fronts for Avdeevka, and they see AFU throwing more counter-attacks on the pincers. So they might slow down the initial plan and focus on defeating the counter-attacks instead. This seems to be exactly what has happened in recent days.

As long as AFU throws its high-quality assets into dubious or low-prospect counter-offensive adventures, it's all probably fine and dandy.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 14:45 utc | 20

3.the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed.

That's the Disney version ... during the winter of 1917-18 German civilians were starving to death because of the naval blockade which led to a revolution and a socialist government in November 1918.

Yes the Americans showed up and 1918 and by coincidence the Germans surrendered in 1918 however the germans at the time were carrying out a successful offensive bolstered by the massive number of troops freed up by Russia's capitulation.

The offensive ran out of supplies due to the blockade ... the Germans weren't defeated in battle. This is where Hitler's infamous "stab in the back" theory came from and he blamed the jews because they were responsible for the German revolution in his eyes.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 2 2023 14:08 utc | 10

By all accounts, the German Spring Offensive ground to a halt in large part because Ludendorff kept changing objectives and thus wasted a lot of men and supplies for little discernable purpose.

As a result, Germany now had longer lines of communication, less defensible positions and a longer front to defend when the Entente counterattacked. Not to mention the Entente had fresh reserves of supplies and men, including Americans.

Anyway, IMHO, the United States had no business involving itself in WWI on either side.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 14:49 utc | 21

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:39 utc | 19

'ending the shelling of Donesktz' , really more than that, is indeed a strategic failure.

Also, I wouldn't undervaluate the possibility that, in order to keep Andrivka, UAF should possibly reclaim trouos and equipment from other fronts, weakening them.

This is supposedly already happening.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:50 utc | 22

Ukraine, a nation currently numbering only 11 million, is running out of men, as well as facing far superior technology..It will be finished within 9 months..Adveeka will fall within a week or two, per Ukrainian sources...So Z starts talking about a stalemate....Par for the course..

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 2 2023 14:53 utc | 23

The left bank in Kherson is totally inconsequential. The Ukranazis can't supply their troops that landed there. They can't advance far from there. Even if they somehow threw so many troops in that they managed to reach the Black Sea from there [which would denude their other fronts, but forever that for the moment], so what? They can't threaten Crimea from there and after the Russian Kherson withdrawal, it isn't strategic territory.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 2 2023 14:57 utc | 24

what Ukraine needs is sharks with laser beams on their heads

Posted by: Manage without me | Nov 2 2023 14:58 utc | 25

Such a move is bound to be expensive in lives and material, and by definition cannot create any type of breakthrough. The only goal is to grind down Ukraine attritionally and win a propaganda victory. This shows the real limits of Russia operational vision at this point, and largely supports Zaluzny's that the war is stalemating.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 7

Which propaganda? Russia does not need propaganda. They only need to show the reality. You write about attrition, but it looks like you do not understand the result of such attrition. It is not because it is slow that it is a stalemate. Quite the contrary. Expensive in lives and material? Not for Russia when the there is more than 10 Ukrainians killed for 1 Russian. The meat grinder is working only on one side.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:00 utc | 26

Zaluzny thinks that the way to end the positional warfare stalemate are new technologies. His solution is to ask for, and to heavily invest in, certain fields that might give Ukraine an advantage.

Such as biological and chemichal weapons? Or targeting NPP?

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:03 utc | 27

Avdeevka: "This shows the real limits of Russia operational vision at this point, and largely supports Zaluzny's that the war is stalemating.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 7"

The assault of Avdeevka is politically driven. The shelling of Donetsk City originates from there and environs, and capturing Avdeevka and driving the AFR west is the only way to stop it.

Posted by: Tedder | Nov 2 2023 15:03 utc | 28

Just reading the argument here, it seems to me that it is the western political puppeteers who have driven the war along the path it has taken (and the Russian response of course) with their constant demand for war propaganda material to maintain support for what was obviously a stupid idea militarily to begin with.

"Never get into a land war in Asia"

"Never march on Moscow"

And especially don't do it with no industrial base.

Etc.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2023 15:07 utc | 29

Russia is using cauldrons on multiple levels where the enemy is cooked, and the lid left open for more resources to be added. Avdeevka is a cauldron left open so that soldiers and equipment can be let in for destruction. Ukraine itself is a huge cauldron left open in the west where NATO can pour in its equipment and money for destruction.

This is a smart strategy.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:09 utc | 30

Russias advantage is having more people to die, period.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 2 2023 13:53 utc | 6

Ukraine is betting on russian will to stop first.

A stupid bet, like all Ukrainian ones.

And ukraine has received a lot more weapons than announced, enough for everyone to fight in the country.

The problem is that many Ukrainians do not want to fight.

If you want a tell, wait until you DONT hear that ukraine is rushing in reserves, B.

Where are the reserves when the 47th brigade is sent to defend Avdieievka?

Otherwise you fall for the false hope that is the western propaganda that ukriane isn't getting enough weapons. They have more than enough to kill everyone.

How many Leopards left? How many other vehicles left? How many fighter jets left? Where are the Abrams? Where are the F16?

LOL

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:10 utc | 31

What Ukraine needs are pterodactyls with laser beams on their wings.

Posted by: William Marshall | Nov 2 2023 15:11 utc | 32

Once the ground freezes, after Russia has further eroded the AFU's air defenses, and reservoir of tracked vehicles, then we might see that one side in this conflict is capable of maneuver warfare.

Russia might as a prelude to an attack focus its drone and missile attacks on a few areas, and then in conjunction with that move up its armored vehicles so as to take the high ground on the flanks of the AFU's forward positions.

If Zelenskyy persists in his insistence on keeping the bulk of the AFU's hardware within striking distance of Russia's fortified lines, then Russia's improving position relative to that of Ukraine will eventually dictate that an offensive is worth making. If Russia can defeat Ukraine's forward elements while the ground is frozen, then Ukraine could be compelled to retreat during the spring muddy season.

And as mud season doesn't happen all at once, Russia's lighter tanks, which are also more numerous, would have an advantage if they pursued Ukraine's retreating vehicles.
Russia's line of defense is secure, so they can eventually attack anywhere they choose along it.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 2 2023 15:12 utc | 33

Russias advantage is having more people to die, period.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 2 2023 13:53 utc | 6

Nope. For the Russians it is a SMO, it is not a war. They conduct the SMO with the minimal number of soldiers necessary for the attrition and to achieve the objectives of the SMO at a minimal cost. Time is not a problem as the western economy, especially the European one, is shrinking while at the same time the European oposition to support Ukraine is increasing.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:15 utc | 34

Sounds like Zaluzny is just as delusional as Zelensky. Even a third-grader knows you don't go to war if you have no weapons and no army, or if your weapons and army are completely dependent on the favors of others. Ukraine had no business going to war in the first place. But that's what happens when you put a comedian in charge of the country.

Posted by: Janet | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 35

I’m agreement with -B- post

Russia also responded quickly with regards to “stalemate” announcements:

https://tass.com/politics/1700685
“The spokesman disagreed with the words of Ukrainian top military commander Valery Zaluzhny that the conflict around the country has reached a stalemate. The top Ukrainian defense official had earlier mentioned this in connection with the Ukrainian troops' inability to achieve a breakthrough on the front.

"No, it has not reached a stalemate. Russia is consistently carrying out the special military operation. All the set goals should be fulfilled," Peskov pointed out.”

“Ukraine should have realized long ago that it is absurd to even talk about the possibility of its victory on the battlefield, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 36

Ultimately speaking, beliefs are what hold a system together. And when people stop believing in the system as it is, in the necessity, or even the possibility of its existence, systems will crumble faster than one thinks. Just remember how fast the USSR faded away, once perestroika had taken hold.

The Ukraine / Gaza wars are made fascinating by the wide interconnexion of military / political / economic / societal factors at play. This opens up the possibility of black swan scenarios that radically change the whole picture more or less out of nowhere.

Let’s take the following as an example. The Iranians eventually close the Hormuz straight … Oil goes up to $ 300 or more per barrel. The $ 600 trillion derivative market goes crashing down. Within weeks, most NATO countries are insolvent. USD, JPY and EUR go down the drain. Paying western civil servants becomes a problem, forget about subsidizing Ukraine and Israel. Russia stays out of the turmoil thanks to the sanctions and its low debt. At that stage, what happens around Avdeevka becomes irrelevant. Ukrainian soldiers are walking back home from their trenches to take care of their loved ones.

Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 2 2023 15:20 utc | 37

Ukraine my run out of people, but “ukraine“ has a steady influx of mercenaries and vacationeers from nato. So dont count on running out of personel anytime soon.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 38

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 39

That might not be the case. The amount of Nato mercenaries (or the intake of new mercenaries) has reportedly plateaued long ago and should be on the decline now. That's at least what was reported some months ago.

Also, this has a lot to do with the fact that Kiev regime throws foreign mercenaries to the front line duties previously reserved for Ukrainians. But now they have no choice, and the mercenaries don't like it one bit. The interest started waning when the front saturated and movement without detection and strikes became harder.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 15:31 utc | 39

Ukraine's military strategy went straight into Grimm's Fairy Tales mode after Russia set up its "layered, echeloned defense" line. I recall b giving it his tick of approval and wondered if Zelenski's USUK 'friends' would advise him on how best to tackle such a solid strategy?

Imo, they did not. Instead they watched Ukraine use the Russian defense line the way Lemmings use a cliff. Thus almost Zero progress after 4 months of 'counter-offensive'?
Smells like Betrayal to me.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 2 2023 15:34 utc | 40

Ukraine cannot, will not defeat Russia.
The (now former) 'United' states of America cannot, will not defeat Russia.

But sadly, 10's of millions (or many, many more) will die will learning this Truth....

Posted by: Robert Hope | Nov 2 2023 15:36 utc | 41

@Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:09 utc | 31

Ukraine itself is a huge cauldron left open in the west where NATO can pour in its equipment and money for destruction.

Over the past week, Germany has delivered another 25 Leopard 1A5 tanks, previously promised, to the Kyiv authorities. This is stated in the updated list on the website of the German Ministry of Defense.

The total amount of assistance to Ukraine from Germany - humanitarian, financial and military - over the past year and a half amounted to about 24 billion euros.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/71899

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:44 utc | 42

"Stalemate" seems to be the new western narrative. Maybe in terms of ground taken or lost. But not the metrics that are important.

Posted by: marcjf | Nov 2 2023 15:45 utc | 43

Ukraine my run out of people, but “ukraine“ has a steady influx of mercenaries and vacationeers from nato. So dont count on running out of personel anytime soon.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 39

Mercenaries go for money. Once they understand that they will not have the use of that money from their graves, they quit. Rest the nazi and islamist fanatics. Their number is limited.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:48 utc | 44

We haven’t seen such a de-arming of Germany since the post WWII period.

It really would serve them right if they got invaded and the Russians rolled straight through Berlin.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 2 2023 15:49 utc | 45

"Russia accuses Kyiv of risking nuclear disaster after Ukrainian drones shot down near Zaporizhzhia power plant"

"Russia has said Ukraine was risking a nuclear disaster after nine Ukrainian drones were shot down by Russian forces near the Zaporizhzhia nuclear station, Europe’s largest atomic power plant."

So the ME upheaval might be moot any time soon.

Posted by: KingCobra | Nov 2 2023 15:49 utc | 46

Imo, they did not. Instead they watched Ukraine use the Russian defense line the way Lemmings use a cliff. Thus almost Zero progress after 4 months of 'counter-offensive'?
Smells like Betrayal to me.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 2 2023 15:34 utc | 41

I like the lemmings analogy.

It is also necessary not to confuse a "counter-offensive" with a meat grinder. I saw the latter, not the former.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:52 utc | 47

Otherwise you fall for the false hope that is the western propaganda that ukriane isn't getting enough weapons. They have more than enough to kill everyone.

Unfortunately for the fascists, the number of people willing or able to use those arms effectively is diminishing exponentially. They have already lost, the question is how long before the collapse.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 2 2023 15:52 utc | 48

And especially don't do it with no industrial base.

Etc.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2023 15:07 utc | 30

Exactly so. The crazies running the West are totally clueless. Here they are deep in a ground war with Russia and they cannot supply their proxy with a sufficient quantity of artillery shells.

The proxy war will be looooong over before the West can ramp up production of artillery rounds, indeed, if ever.

Their economic expertise consists in mergers and acquisitions in conjunction with sweetheart sole source DOD contracts. Compete with Russia producing actual war fighting material and munitions? Not a chance. They may as well take on the Klingons.

The Russian leadership must often mutter to themselves, "Is this all they've got? Who knew it could be this easy?".

Posted by: Oswald | Nov 2 2023 15:53 utc | 49

I resent Zaluzhny writing "Russian Federation" in small case. Pettiness, or perhaps orders from above.

Still, it does not seem to be fair to me to blame him for not having managed to sway Zelensky. Zelensky had a very personal interest in conducting the war the way it did (maxxing the grifting before the West wakes up), and his PR approach made it necessary that he fights "for the headlines" all the time. Short of putting a bullet in Zelensky's coke gate I can't see how he could have won this.

Similarly, I trust Zalushny to know perfectly well that the war is lost, the Russians can go on the offensive at a time of their choosing, and the Ukraine is being slowed chewed away by casualties and ordnance famine. But he can't say that, can he now?

I think of Zaluzhny as the most likely candidate for the post-cocaine period; the one who, with his personal prestige, can lead what will remain of the Ukraine to accept a humiliating, crippling defeat.

Can't imagine Arestovich being able to pull the feat.

Posted by: Augusto Pi | Nov 2 2023 15:54 utc | 50

I think the reason why this stalemate narrative can hold water in the west is because the casulty rates are very skewed here and alot of people believe Russia has taken the same or even more losses than Ukraine.

So, to these people, if Ukraine can get that one final magic boost they'll finish the Russian army, which is in their eyes weaker now than it was before it got "mauled" in some mythical situation.

Also, westerners believe that their sanctions were more effective then they actually were. For example they think it's causing independence movements in Siberia to grow and soon Russia will look like herr fellingers maps on X.

Posted by: R.A.T.T.S | Nov 2 2023 15:58 utc | 51

The difference from 1917 to 1918 was 2 million fresh, and trained troops, many from militia not long distant from the civil war.

As well as US Army preference for artillery and thousands of brand new tubes.

Ukraine needs the $$ flow, to let the leadership move to sunnier climes

Posted by: paddy | Nov 2 2023 15:59 utc | 52

Shoigu has set up a special unit of 25k people with 'new skills'.

Mercouris reckons they are drone operators.

I'm tempted to agree.

Rather than have a meat attack by infantry, you have waves of drones in their thousands attacking trenches, artillery emplacements, observation points, radar installations , tanks, APCs, etc. etc. This blizzard of lethal electronic insects would lay waste to a chosen area, and a second wave would KEEP operating around the fringes, and monitor there, while the RF forces move in.

The next day, repeat for the next target area, and the next and the next...

RU casualties - almost zero. Ukr casualties - 90+%.

War has changed forever.

Ukr does not just need new tech, they need large numbers of new techies to operate them.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Nov 2 2023 15:59 utc | 53

So one rag is writing Zelenksy down, another one is writing Zalushny up: the Empire has spoken. The new directive will now be disseminated throughout the bloc -- look out for copy-pasted news in your local mainstream media.

Posted by: Konami | Nov 2 2023 16:03 utc | 54

News: Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) Valeriy Zaluzhny wrote in his article for the British publication The Economist that the military conflict with the Russian Federation has “reached a dead end” and one should not expect breakthroughs at the front from either side.

Opinion: Tell Zaluzhny that we laughed at his grandiose “counter-offensive” just a couple of weeks after it began, i.e. back in June.

Well, as for the fact that the conflict has reached a dead end, I partially agree with the enemy in the sense that it’s really not worth waiting for deep breakthroughs of tank wedges and huge boilers, but the fact is that positionally large shifts should not be expected (at the operational and even tactical level no one canceled them), does not mean that the conflict itself in a broad sense has reached a dead end. More than a year ago, I invited readers to closely monitor the pace of production and delivery of artillery shells and expressed the thesis that in this war, the one who runs out of shells first will lose. Hint: we will never run out of them.

In order to understand when the AFU will not be able to get into position (after all, it is supported by artillery), you need to solve a conditional mathematical problem: in a full pool with a volume of so many liters, water arrives at a rate of X liters per hour, and decreases at a rate of Y liters per hour (X< Y), the question is, after how many hours (let’s denote the answer as Z) will it be impossible to swim in the pool? ))

I also believe that the closer to hour Z, the louder the voices will sound about the need to stop the “brutal conflict of fraternal peoples”, and at this moment it is very alarming, since realizing the doom of the resistance of the Ukrainian Armed Forces if the conflict continues, the West will offer various “goodies” , in order to conclude a “truce” and give its puppet Nazi regime time to restore, and here it will be important to show firmness and sacredly preserve the national interests of Russia, which are that we need victory, not a truce, and the Nazi regime in Kiev must be destroyed.

I extended the contract, forgot about the vacation, rolled up my sleeves, and moved on...

PS Our guys are in Pyatikhatki


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/71893

Posted by: Down South | Nov 2 2023 16:04 utc | 55

It has been a 'stalemate' almost from the start, the New Atlas guy Brian Berletic got it spot on also from the start, Russia's main objective is not to take new territory, but to destroy as much of the Ukrainian forces attacking them as possible.

The Russians do want to confront the waves of attacks demolishing both manpower and hardware, taking over new lands is doable but keeping them would be too much of a burden, if the Russians wanted to occupy territory they would have destroyed all the Dniepr bridges, airports and railway junctions in the west of Ukraine, the main roads between western Ukraine and the West, they've done no such thing, they've been allowing the flow east of new men and new equipment supplied by the West where they get hit.

Ukraine is bigger than France, administering such a massive area would be too costly and for what? Ukraine has nothing that Russia hasn't got, what would be the point, it's much more useful for Putin to break Ukraine's armed forces and her economy then insist the country to form a non-NATO barrier between Russia and the 'natoed West'.

Posted by: Baron | Nov 2 2023 16:06 utc | 56

Ukraine my run out of people, but “ukraine“ has a steady influx of mercenaries and vacationeers from nato. So dont count on running out of personel anytime soon.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 39

____

I hear that the occupiers of Palestine pay better.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 2 2023 16:11 utc | 57

Slavyangrad publishes latest RUMOD SITREP...
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/71887
Slavyangrad, [11/2/23 8:29 AM]
Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (2 November 2023)

Part I (see Part II (https://t.me/mod_russia_en/10621))

▫️In Kupyansk direction, units of the Zapad Group of Forces supported by aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrower systems repelled two attacks of assault detachments of the AFU 57th Mechanised Brigade near Sinkovka (Kharkov region).

▫️The enemy lost up to 20 servicemen and three motor vehicles.

▫️In the course of counterbattery warfare, one Uragan and one Grad MLRS, two Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery systems, one UK-made AS-90 and one Gvozdika self-propelled artillery systems, as well as two D-30 howitzers were neutralised.

▫️In Krasny Liman direction, well-coordinated actions of the Tsentr Group of Forces, helicopters, and artillery repelled two attacks of assault detachments of the AFU 24th and 63rd mechanised brigades near Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic).

▫️Up to 40 servicemen, six infantry fighting vehicles, and three motor vehicles have been neutralised.

▫️In Donetsk direction, units of the Yug Group of Forces supported by aviation and artillery repelled an attack of assault detachments of the AFU 5th Assault Brigade near Kleshcheyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

▫️In addition, strikes were delivered at manpower and hardware of the AFU 54th, 93rd mechanised brigades, and 10th Mountain Assault Brigade close to Razdolovka, Zvanovka, and Andreyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

▫️ Up to 115 servicemen, one tank, nine infantry fighting vehicles, including eight U.S.-made Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, and four motor vehicles have been neutralised.

▫️In the course of counterbattery warfare, two Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery systems, one U.S.-made M777 artillery system, as well as one D-20 howitzer were neutralised.

▫️In addition, one AFU unmanned aerial vehicle command post near Peznikovka (Donetsk People's Republic) and one ammunition depot of the 54th Mechanised Brigade close to Verhnekamenskoye (Donetsk People's Republic) were destroyed.

▫️In South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok Group of Forces, helicopters, and artillery inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 72nd Mechanised Brigade, 105th and 128th territorial defence brigades near Staromayorskoye, Novomikhailovka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Priyutnoye (Zaporozhye region).

▫️The enemy lost up to 165 servicemen killed and wounded, seven tanks, two armoured fighting vehicles, and five motor vehicles.

▫️ In the course of counterbattery warfare, one Grad MLRS, two German-made FH70 howitzers, two Gvozdika self-propelled artillery systems were destroyed.

Russian Defence Ministry

Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (2 November 2023)

Part II (see Part I (https://t.me/mod_russia_en/10620))

▫️In Zaporozhye direction units of the Russian Group of Forces supported by aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrower systems inflicted losses on manpower of the AFU 33rd and 65th mechanised brigades close to Rabotino (Zaporozhye region).

▫️The enemy lost up to 100 servicemen, four armoured fighting vehicles, two motor vehicles, and two U.S.-made M119 howitzers in this direction.

◽️In Kherson direction, up to 30 servicemen and five motor vehicles have been neutralised by fire.

▫️Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, and Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 132 areas during the day.

▫️In addition, one Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force was destroyed at the Mirgorod airfield in Poltava region.

▫️One Bukovel electronic warfare station was neutralised close to Yantarnoye (Kherson region).

▫️One command post of the AFU 67th Mechanised Brigade was wiped out close to Serebryanka (Donetsk People's Republic).

▫️Air defence units intercepted four Storm Shadow cruise missiles, three Neptune anti-ship missiles, and eight HIMARS projectiles.

▫️Moreover, 31 unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down near Zolotaryovka (Lugansk People's Republic), Mariynka, Spornoye, Staromlynovka (Donetsk People's Republic), Ocheretovatoye and Kharkovo (Zaporozhye region).

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 2 2023 16:15 utc | 58

Oswald | Nov 2 2023 14:12 utc | 11
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Thanks for an illuminating comment.

Any insight into the apparent integration of the UK with US Empire today? Arguably, we par-boiled frogs have witnessed an American Counter-Revolution (see Matthew Ehret's histories on Canada's role). The Anglo-Zionist Empire seems an apt term, given how the West's "War of Terror," as b puts it, seems to have revolved around Israel, murderously so since 9/11. The horrfic inhumanity and manifest war crimes in Gaza
now seem pivotal to the Neoliberalcons controlling US policy. They seem obssessed with pushing this to an ominously messianic climax.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Nov 2 2023 16:18 utc | 59

"Anyway, IMHO, the United States had no business involving itself in WWI on either side.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 14:49 utc | 22

Yes, if the US controlled itself and acted in its own self interest you would be correct, but they do not and they did not.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 2 2023 16:21 utc | 60

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Nov 2 2023 15:59 utc | 54

Huh, I'd wager that if someone funded a probe to determine the number of online Russian gamers who play first person shooters, or flight simulators, there would likely be a decrease in their numbers.

For years now, some of those games even had moments where the player had to take control of a drone, and perform attacks.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 2 2023 16:22 utc | 61

What the Ukies are fighting... In his own words...
Slavyangrad, [11/2/23 8:29 AM]

You in the West tried to throw us into the dustbin of history in the 90s.
Well, you didn't take something into account.
Chechnya, 1995.
Russia stands on the shoulders of people like him.
- where are you from?
- from Ivanov.
- how long have you been fighting here?
- six months.
- six months? By whom?
- I was practically everything you can be here - a sniper, a machine gunner, an infantryman, a squad commander.
- and who are you now?
- now. After our machine gun crew was out of action - one was killed, one was wounded - I am acting as a machine gunner.
- who were you in this calculation?
- I was not in this calculation - I was a sniper, and he is not a stormtrooper (note: you have become familiar with the Russian army logic).
- okay, will we continue to fight here?
- of course, we will fight until we finish.
- how old are you?
- soon 40.
"how soon?"
- in 2 years.

-38, yes.
-38.
- rank junior sergeant?
- yes.
- under contract?
- yes.
- there was no thought that there was nothing to do here, no need to go?
- no, no, I went with pleasure. I came back 3 times after trips. I am very pleased with the atmosphere here.
- and at home how?
- everything is fine at home.
- wife, children?
- yes, the wife has children. There are no problems.
- how do they react to this?
- I'm divorced.
- that is, you are, as they say, like God in his bosom?
- Soldier of Fortune, yes.
- what can you tell your family?
- don't let them worry, nothing will happen to me. No one needs me here, no one will kill me.
- well, I hope you yourself won't let them down?
- no, no, I recently had a fifth opponent, I think I'll get to 20
"a dead enemy?"
- of course.
- was he serious?
- I didn't consider it. I killed him with SVD.
- but will you get to 20?
- of course, there would be murderers. We'll find the cartridges.

Note: Moscow is back and again in the struggle for the title of great power, but allows itself to become a regional leader - but for this it is necessary to reduce the empire, which considers itself Roman, but in fact - Carthage.

Russians are now offering a number of countries to become centers of civilization and take an equal place.

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 2 2023 16:24 utc | 62

Slavyangrad, [11/2/23 9:49 AM]
The Russian Armed Forces are tightening their pincers around Avdeevka

According to “Come and See,” the Russian army successfully continues its assault on the Avdeevsky fortified area in the DPR.

Thus, south of Avdeevka we managed to advance towards the village of Severnoye. Fighting is already taking place on the outskirts of the settlement.

In turn, north of Avdeevka they managed to gain a foothold on the railway. All counterattacks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were repulsed.

Thus, gradually the entire Avdeevsky fortified area is covered from the flanks. The Ukrainian Armed Forces group here faces at least an operational encirclement.

The liberation of Avdeevka is important not only strategically, but also psychologically. It is from there that a significant part of the attacks are carried out on the civilian population and civilian infrastructure of Donetsk.


#source (https://t.me/smotri_z/22060)

@Slavyangrad

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 2 2023 16:27 utc | 63

kupkee 14

For those politicians who are morally compromised and therefore being subjected to blackmail , like the Bidens, they have two choices, to come clean like Trump, or appease the blackmailer and change the external world into a cesspit of corruption.

Biden's appeasement of the Satanic, zionist , Nazi neocons has led to genocide in Ukraine and Netanyahu's appeasement of the Satanic, ultra- zionist , ultra Nazis in Israel has led to genocide in Palestine.. Both of them seem to be blissfully unconscious that the buck for the genocide stops with them and their personal inability to fess up to their personal wrongdoings.

Whether that's the deviousness of the Nazis or the feebleness of the Presidents I don't know. But one thing is clear, in a world of 24/7 spying it's a very clever person who could avoid being in the spotlight of blackmailer for long.

Like moths to a flame

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 2 2023 16:31 utc | 64

Now they are scouring hospitals to bring the wounded back to the front....
Slavyangrad, [11/2/23 11:17 AM]
No one is left: wounded militants are being urgently discharged from Lutsk

According to information from open sources, on October 29, Russian aviation conducted (https://t.me/ukrainian_guide/9271) massive air and rocket artillery strikes on the positions of the 14th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the vicinity of the settlements of Sinkovka and Petropavlovsk, resulting in heavy casualties within the unit. Major Nikolai Senkevich, the commander of the 2nd battalion, was among those killed (https://t.me/ukrainian_guide/9289).

The losses were so significant that the brigade's commander, Lieutenant Colonel Alexei Trubnikov, requested reinforcements (https://t.me/dillfrash/27641) from the Kupyansk group's command but received a negative response: all available troops are engaged at the front.

Having considerable connections within the Volyn regional administration, Trubnikov appealed to the authorities to expedite the discharge of wounded militants from the rehabilitation center for combatants, as well as from the Lutsk military hospital.

After consultation, the administration reached the following decision: official representatives of the administration and brigade officers were dispatched to these medical facilities to identify militants with minor and moderate injuries for their discharge and subsequent redeployment to the front.

As we learned from a conversation with a nurse at the Lutsk hospital, more than 25 fighters frome that brigade were discharged in this manner, as they would simply be unable to handle a machine gun due to their injuries.

Evidently, the situation is so dire within the 14th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that Brigade Commander Trubnikov is compelled to urgently discharge his fighters from hospitals in an attempt to shore up the "gaps" in his defense.

#source (https://t.me/dillfrash/27669)

@Slavyangrad

Looks like they are out of personnel...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 2 2023 16:32 utc | 65

#54

I suspect there will be more tactics and operational art to it. You don't want the operators chasing the same target (although you might want 2 or 3 follow-up attacks depending on the target) - you don't want to attack your own forces, you do want to have different forms of detection (visual, IR, radio-emissions) etc. ,etc.


I suspect there will be some tactics and operational art at first, which will evolve over time.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Nov 2 2023 16:33 utc | 66

One year ago, after the Russian forces left Kherson city, the Ukrainian army should have gone to solely defensive positions along geographic features that give an advantage. Russia would have had to attack and to endure higher losses. But we still do not see even one decently build Ukrainian defense line. Instead reserves still get thrown into failing attacks and to hold on to obviously lost cauldron positions.

It's instructive to consider the Russo-Ukrainian war as seen from the Ukrainian point of view. This is the point of view prevailing in Ukraine after March 2021, when the preliminary peace agreement was thrown away by the Ukrainians after receiving certain offers.

The Ukrainian war for the Ukrainians is a business, a military business, a very unsustainable yet very profitable business, a hit and run business. The purpose of a business, even a military business, is not to win a war but to have much higher revenues than costs.

Going into defense along geographic features after the Russian retreat in Kherson and Karkhov was the clearly best strategy from a military point of view, but that strategy was fundanentally detrimental for the Ukrainian business because a defensive strategy does not offer enough incentives to those providing the revenue part of the business, i.e. the USA and its extensions.

The Ukrainian point of view is not just the view held by its elites. Ukrainians soldiers are fighting for a pay they know it's coming from the revenue providers, not by Ukraine, but by the USA and its extensions. These payments are not just soldiers' salaries, but also the pensions of their parents, the benefits of their wifes and children living in Europe, the salaries of the teachers in schools, doctors in public hospitals.

The war will end when the revenues dry up or the costs cannot be supported. In this short-lived business the cost is the deaths and injuries of Ukrainian soldiers. The war can only end with a Ukrainian defeat but the timing will depend on which side of the business dries up first, the revenues or the capacity to support the costs.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 2 2023 16:34 utc | 67

It appears war has dramatically changed via drones. We can expect drone warfare to rapidly evolve, much like other warfare disruptors rapidly evolved, once their introduction to the battle proved to be a deciding factor. Imagine the early tanks, early biplanes, early rockets …how long before these early prototypes evolved in a streak of time.
I imagine drone swarms will be one direction of development, and the air defence against swarms will follow as night follows day. AI is already being used to direct swarms of drones in peacetime displays …can battle use be far behind?

Posted by: James j | Nov 2 2023 16:35 utc | 68

If Zaluzhny's star is on the rise (just typing that reminded me of reading War and Peace, and Pierre initially believing in Napoleon as a man of destiny) in the Western MSM, then his talk of technologically advanced weapons could be no coincidence.

Zelenskyy becomes the fall guy, the arrogant leader who foolishly ignored sound advice from NATO, and seized defeat from the jaws of victory.

While Zaluzhny, it would be claimed, had been generally in agreement with his NATO counterparts, and has what it takes to defeat Russia. Cue the analogies to Ulysses S. Grant.

And what is Zaluzhny asking for? Let's translate his requests from Ukrainian, by way of the MIC's universal translator, into English. Beep, Bop, Boop, "Zaluzhny is saying we should ramp up production of all the defense industry's most expensive toys. And start building those prototypes!"

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 2 2023 16:35 utc | 69

@ Baron | Nov 2 2023 16:06 utc | 57

i agree...


---------------
thanks for the update b..

Posted by: james | Nov 2 2023 16:36 utc | 70

not too long ago ...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-top-general-outlines-urgent-needs-talks-with-us-military-chief-2023-01-17/
"
"I outlined the urgent needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the fulfilment of which will accelerate our Victory," General Valeriy Zaluzhnyi wrote in a statement on Telegram.

In an interview with the Economist in December, Zaluzhnyi said he needed 300 tanks, 600-700 infantry fighting vehicles and 500 howitzers to help his forces push back the invaders.

"I know that I can beat this enemy. But I need resources," he said.
"

Zalushni will "fight" as long as material is available. What has he to loose, personally?
Zalushni is an ambitious career soldier. Since others bear the risk and these human lives mean as much to him as used petrol for the tanks, it is up to the Ukrainians themselves whether they want to die for such cretins.
Zalushni is jointly responsible for the shelling of civilians in the Donbass, the torture and execution of prisoners ... War crimes.
Ending the war may mean having to take responsibility for them.
The Germans only fought in the East at the end because they knew what they had done and what they were facing.
And then they found out that the Russians were patient with barbarians and only held decision-makers accountable as long as their allied "partners" didn't put a spanner in the works.

Posted by: 600w | Nov 2 2023 16:39 utc | 71

Ukraine's military strategy went straight into Grimm's Fairy Tales mode after Russia set up its "layered, echeloned defense" line. I recall b giving it his tick of approval and wondered if Zelenski's USUK 'friends' would advise him on how best to tackle such a solid strategy?

Imo, they did not. Instead they watched Ukraine use the Russian defense line the way Lemmings use a cliff. Thus almost Zero progress after 4 months of 'counter-offensive'?
Smells like Betrayal to me.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 2 2023 15:34 utc | 41

Well it suits the Empire just fine-Slavs are excellent fighters so why not have Slav V Slav so that you you reduce your future opponents on both sides and rape and pillage Ukraine and harvest the MIC profits?

Posted by: canuck | Nov 2 2023 16:44 utc | 72

Russia has little to gain from a faster war. They're fighting a defensive battle with minimal loses; this achieves two goals. It allows them toe keep their "powder dry" to stay ready in the Scandinavian North and the Black Sea/Middle East South; And, they show they're not a threat to run amok through Europe, which is a red-line for NATO. Russia doesn't want to rally European support, they want to discourage it; they want to move slowly and deliberately; and keep their reserves ready for other fronts.

Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 2 2023 16:48 utc | 73

(1) Zaluzhny [assuming his alive] wants Zelensky's job.

(2) The first sign of defeat is denial.

Posted by: AI | Nov 2 2023 16:49 utc | 74

Now they are scouring hospitals to bring the wounded back to the front....

I immediately think of the hospital scene in Sam Peckinpah's Cross of Iron, where they were looking for potential cannon fodder among the wounded, when reading that.

https://youtu.be/wBYNKgiDH1M

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 2 2023 16:49 utc | 75

The endless search for the Wunderwaffen continues.

If only, if only…

Posted by: Moses22 | Nov 2 2023 16:55 utc | 76

@Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Nov 2 2023 13:42 utc | 3

"New technologies" did not break the stalemate of the first World War -- the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed. And most likely the world would be a much better place today.

The British sea blockade of Germany had been doing its job, with the home population having near starvation rations and German industry unable to fully replace battlefield equipment losses. The big German offensive in 1918 was a last gasp that had already failed, with over a million German casualties, before significant numbers of US troops arrived. The Australian and New Zealand troops were central to stopping the German offensive, and it was the French that stopped the final German attack. In addition, the German logistics capabilities were massively overstretched. The German army had exhausted itself in one final attempt to win.

Most probable outcome was a stalemate and negotiated settlement which would have most probably resulted in a British/French default on their US war loans. The US extra forces allowed the Allies to actually win and dump the cost of paying off those war loans on Germany, which then resulted in the economic collapse of the Weimar Republic.

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/western-front-1918

Posted by: Roger | Nov 2 2023 16:56 utc | 77

Rightly we attend to technological impacts on warfare, but I wonder if too much is not being made of their determination of 'static warfare'.

As noted, ISR increases the cost of massing of large formations--but this, as we've seen, can apply also to large defensive formations. I would argue that there are strategic rather than technological elements that explain the relative stability of the front line.

1. Russia has elected to conduct the conflict in such a way as to attrit not just Ukraine but NATO while it shifts its overall national combat power from a peacetime to a wartime military, and can persist in this strategy for as long as its combat power continues to grow in relation to NATO's. What absolutely must not happen is for Russia to lose 500,000 troops & half its equipment to arrive at NATO's borders exhausted, and exposed to NATO attack.

2. Russia prefers to fight NATO and its biggest & most expendable land army close to Russia's own borders and logistical lines. If NATO is ever going to enter this conflict it will have to expose and extend its logistics over a thousand kilometers. Russia will see an advantage in fighting there at least until Kiev forces are on the verge of collapse. If NATO intervenes then, it will have to use its own "democratic" ground troops. Incidentally, I believe it's why Russia has left the Dnieper bridges standing. It is far more logistically expensive in dollars & losses for NATO to ship its resources--fuel, food, intel assets, munitions, men--to the Donbass in penny packets like those little sushi boats that they float to your seat at the far end of the sushi bar. Whatever does arrive is in quantities and at rate manageable, and these assets will now be manned--they are destroying **crewed** tanks, artillery, IFVs, etc.

3. Russia, in light of the above, would very much prefer that Ukraine/NATO not be disabused of its illusions of reconquest--Russia does not want to make it overwhelmingly obvious to a blinkered West that there is *no hope* to be had on the attack. Russia will not want Ukraine to withdraw from the Donbass, and devote themselves to shortening their supply lines, shortening the battlefront, and building Russia-style defenses around Odessa and other elements deemed the most vital or most costly to attack. That is, the greatest maskirovka in the history of Russian warfare is furnished by the West itself, in the arrogant blindness of their analysis of Russian capabilities--economic, industrial, societal, military, diplomatic. Now that the fight has begun, Russia does not want NATO to be discouraged. Nukes are enough to keep NATO from all-out attack. But neither does Russia want NATO panicked into cutting through their military-industrial corruption & complacency. Not too hot, not too cold.

4. Russia's slow-grind (which could be seen as a judo version of the West's declared intention to attrit / "weaken" Russia) has been rightly, I think, interpreted as not just military, but diplomatic, geo-economic, industrial. But if Russia has to occupy (and certainly does have to live with or next to the surviving Ukrainian population) the country, the will prefer not to do so until the current regime, their Western frenemies, and the likely full-blown Nazi coup government that replaces Zelensky have had every opportunity to discredit themselves in the eyes of ordinary Ukrainians. They may not wake up to realize they've been used & thrown aside--that there was never an EU/NATO future. This was a population that overwhelmingly voted for a peace platform. They may never get beyond blaming Russia and fetishizing the West, but the West is putting on a pretty ugly show at the moment.

5. The more committed Russia becomes to taking Odessa back into Russia, the more reluctant they will be to take it Mariupol style. If it takes 5 years UKR to simply lose the will / capability to fight for Odessa, and Odessa can be preserved, Russia may prefer to do this.

6. Kiev has given every indication of a willingness to go nuclear--as attacks on ZNPP have shown. The scenario in which Kiev's scorched-earth detonation of its remaining nuclear power plants, to hand Russia a poisoned chalice, will be if the Zelensky government and its Nazi successor regime have collapsed and lost the favor of the West. May not happen, but Europe should be very afraid of leaving that deranged chimp that is Ukraine with control of nuclear materials. Four Chernobyls in Europe might be something even the Globalist Zombies in Europe recoil from. Maybe.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Nov 2 2023 16:59 utc | 78

Russia has too many advantages to be stalemated: guided bombs, highly effective drones, more of every kind of field equipment and ammunition, a huge industrial base, outstanding air defense, and a much bigger pool of military reserves. The outcome is obvious to any objective observer, but the power of propaganda keeps the horror show going.

Posted by: HH | Nov 2 2023 17:03 utc | 79

Posted by: 600w | Nov 2 2023 16:39 utc | 72

It's been noted many times before that the Kiev regime only seems to work for the western media. Every single action they do is only aimed for PR purposes, and all the actions on the ground, or grand scheme offensives they invent and make are invented for media presentation purposes. The only criteria and guideline dictating any action of the Ukrainian government is:

"What do we do to extract the maximum amount of funds as possible?"

-Let's make a Bucha massacre
-Let's make a Snake Island attack (even though our helicopters and speed boats get shot down and special forces take a wash)
Let's make an attack on Kherson (and just run across the same field till they get bored of firing at us)
-Let's hold Bakhmut at all costs. Bakhmut, the symbol of western values holds! (until it doesn't)
-Let's say the Russians are trying to destroy the ZNPP power plant, and scream about it the UN (and try to infiltrate saboteurs along with the IAEA delegation crew)
-Let's make a crossing over the Dniepr using large 2000 ton barges (not to worry if they sink in the river, our infantry can swim)
-Let's make a massive armored blitzkrieg toward Melitopol across multiple Maginot line equivalents
-Let's send the rest of our aircraft in one final kamikaze banzai charge

Maximum profit generation achieved. Now a lot of officials can officially "retire" to a villa on the Mediterranean coast.

It's all getting really tiring. It's up to Ukrainians themselves. If someone wants to die for a headline in NYT or The Times, well, ok.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 17:07 utc | 80

@Posted by: Oswald | Nov 2 2023 14:12 utc | 11

With the massive hinterland that Germany had rested from the Soviets in the Brest-Litovsk treaty (what is now Poland, Lithuania and Latvia plus a massive Ukraine as a client state), plus trade between the Soviet Union and Germany, the latter became a viable competitor to the US - as it now combined German industrial strength with a massive resource hinterland. Just like the US.

ALSO, Germany was physically in EurAsia and could therefore completely dominate the continent. A US allying with Germany would allow Germany to take the rest of Europe (France and Italy), plus huge pressure on Turkey and Scandinavia to ally with Germany, and probably the fall of the Middle East into German hands (including the completion of the Berlin-Baghdad railway). An alliance between this behemoth and the rapidly industrializing Japan would be unstoppable, with the US left to dominate only the Americas. Thats why in WW2, Germany once it became obvious that it would attack the West as well as the East, once again had to be stopped; with the US looking for excuses to get into WW2 continuously from the fall of France onwards.

Coming in on the side of the British and French removed the main competitor to the US, while Britain and France were weakened and the new Soviet Union was a weak power in the middle of a civil war. The US, like Britain before it, needs to keep all other powers weak enough to not get in the way of its own power. Free trade with, and offshoring to, China was the greatest mistake the US elites ever made.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 2 2023 17:14 utc | 81

Zaluzhny, if he ever was in a foreign land should have gone into exile.
But like a Joe Biden, he still considers himself to be indispensable to a sinking ship. I am flailing at an analogy, he should abandon ship to get people into the lifeboats (Zaluzhny). Especially now as Arestrovich is printing the reasons Zaluzhny expressed in private and seems to be the CIA's new appointed one. Of course the devil is always in the details, how does one get ones family (and mistresses) out of the country. Not being prescient, but I would not be surprised by 1. Zaluzhny being stripped of command and imprisoned. 2. The falling apart and down of Ukraine is a given, Spring seems very possible. 3. Someone else on top, possibly Arestrovich.

#62 the Samuel R. Delany fan, iirc Spider Robinson had a short story where a computer programmer who lived on tuna fish sandwiches while playing a game of pacman for hours, had CIA, NSA, govt and UN keep dragging him in to play video games to solve situations until finally God calls him in to fix a situation. If I understand you correctly, that RF is taking over the ongoing games of online players to actually fly drones in the field, I just dont' see it. Encryption and security and all that. A sudden transition would have a pause in almost any players game. I can RF them offering carrots and for some brandishing sticks to enlist.


Posted by: paxmark1 | Nov 2 2023 17:14 utc | 82

@ 600w | Nov 2 2023 16:39 utc | 72

i agree with you...thanks

@ Paul Damascene | Nov 2 2023 16:59 utc | 79

good overview paul.. i share much of your view on all of this here... i am not sure about the odessa part, and maybe that will all work out moving forward.. russia doesn't have to do anything on the front is how i see it.. russia is playing this as best they can as i see it..

@ unimperator

thanks for all your posts..

Posted by: james | Nov 2 2023 17:19 utc | 83

One year ago, after the Russian forces left Kherson city, the Ukrainian army should have gone to solely defensive positions along geographic features that give an advantage. Russia would have had to attack and to endure higher losses. But we still do not see even one decently build Ukrainian defense line. >/blockquote>

I do love ya, b, but Bakhmut and now, Avdievka, among many other places along the line were created as key points in a defensive line—key support points that would feed Ukrainian offensive actions—are showing how Ukrainian/NATO mercenaries are going to bleed Russia.

Yeah: Ukrainian forces are making the most, as they can, among those defenses.

These defensive lines have been dealing out undeniable damage to the Russian forces.

Russia will emerge—regardless of this is a conventional or nuclear war—“victorious”, but in either event Europe and the US will be irredeemably eradicated.
The Ukrainian military leadership was deluded (and there is no debate regarding which countries’ leadership conspired to delude “Ukraine”/Zelensky/Kolomoiskiy” w/r/t its relative power) into accepting a western orchestrated coup.

Which, just on a side-note, Venezuela and Nicaragua have refused, while Honduras accepted.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Nov 2 2023 17:20 utc | 84

It looks like that in reaction to the pessimistic Time piece some Western (military?) leaders asked Ukraine: "what would you need to win anyway?" And that this is the reaction/shopping list. For all its defects it is more realistic than the demands of Zelensky until now - that always seemed to aim for the most "beautiful" weapon (most recently the F16).

Posted by: Wim | Nov 2 2023 17:20 utc | 85

@Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:09 utc | 31

Russia is using cauldrons on multiple levels where the enemy is cooked, and the lid left open for more resources to be added. Avdeevka is a cauldron left open so that soldiers and equipment can be let in for destruction. Ukraine itself is a huge cauldron left open in the west where NATO can pour in its equipment and money for destruction.

This is a smart strategy.

Exactly, no further analysis required. At some point the Ukrainian army collapses and the Russians win having expended as limited effort as possible while massively expanding MIC production, and gaining huge battlefield experience for its armed forces, in readiness for any larger war. Plus of course getting to work out how to destroy/disable so many Western wunderwaffe.

The greatest beneficiary of this, and now the US/Western involvement in the Occupied Palestine quagmire, is the Chinese. They get a few more years to overcome any Western technological leads (with the side effect of weakening Taiwan), increase the economic size gap between themselves and the US even more, and further develop their armed forces. At the same time, the core of Europe - Germany - is slowly imploding and China is increasing the electrification of its transport through the fast growth of EV sales - thus blunting any Western attempt at an oil blockade. Plus all those nice new nat gas pipelines from Russia.

PLUS, the West doing its damndest to destroy its own soft power with the other 7 billion and aid China's rise as the much better alternative to the West. The 2024 election year in the US will only add to the US efforts to destroy it own image and legitimacy with the other 7 billion.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 2 2023 17:29 utc | 86

that scorched earth approach that nato and by extension ukraine is taking is kind of disturbing... trying to bomb the nuke plant with drones seems really unhinged... i am surprised more of europe isn't aghast over that.... it seems to take some a long time to wake up and smell the coffee... if that is really ukraines exit plan for this war, a lot more people are in trouble then the ukrainians..

Posted by: james | Nov 2 2023 17:31 utc | 87

@Posted by: Baron | Nov 2 2023 16:06 utc | 57

Ukraine is bigger than France, administering such a massive area would be too costly and for what? Ukraine has nothing that Russia hasn't got, what would be the point, it's much more useful for Putin to break Ukraine's armed forces and her economy then insist the country to form a non-NATO barrier between Russia and the 'natoed West'.

Not quite true. With Odessa, Russia gains control of the Black Sea and stops any later attempts at NATO starting a naval base there. Plus, it connects to Transnistria and puts pressure on the Western puppets in control of Moldova. In addition, Russia's taking of the black earth and resources east of the Dniepr would greatly enhance its international position and weaken the West. Russia didn't blow the bridges because (i) it wants manpower and resources to be sucked into the battlefront close to Russia to be destroyed and (ii) it is being careful to manage its international image, hence the lack of "total war".

Once the Ukrainian army collapses I would not be surprised if the Russians took everything east of the Dniepr plus the south. Leaving a Ukrainian rump state to be chewed up by Poland and Hungary.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 2 2023 17:38 utc | 88

The Ukrainian Army has been reconstituted three times and the third version is in the final stages of destruction. Who is going to use these new weapons? General Zaluzhny's proposal makes me think of a misquote from Rudyard Kipling's poem "If".
"If you can keep your head when all about you/are losing theirs and blaming it on you - then perhaps you have the wrong idea of the situation".

Posted by: cirsium | Nov 2 2023 17:50 utc | 89

@Posted by: Baron | Nov 2 2023 16:06 utc | 57

Ukraine is bigger than France, administering such a massive area would be too costly and for what?

It's not even as big as Texas and the Russians used to administer the place just fine.

Posted by: nazcalito | Nov 2 2023 17:51 utc | 90

The Ukrainian General Staff has made a new update of its regular assessment of the losses suffered by Russian troops since the invasion of the country on February 24, 2022.

According to Kiev, the Kremlin forces lost 301,490 soldiers during the fighting, an increase of 680 deaths in the space of a few days, as well as 9,834 armored vehicles (+30), but also 9,624 tanks and supply vehicles (+34), 7,250 artillery pieces (+23), 5,223 assault tanks (+12), 5,468 drones (+28) or even 1,547 cruise missiles (+1), as well as 324 helicopters and 321 combat aircraft.

The regular publication of these figures, which could not be verified, is part of the Ukrainian communication strategy intended to undermine the morale of Moscow's troops.

Do they believe their own propaganda?

In the meantime:

El comandante del 2.º batallón de la 14.ª brigada de las Fuerzas Armadas de Ucrania, el mayor Nikolai Senkevich, fue liquidado el 29 de octubre en dirección a Kupyansk.

El puesto de mando del batallón se encuentra en la aldea de Petropavlovka, donde se llevaron a cabo los ataques FAB-500.

Boom!

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 17:59 utc | 91

Stalemate?! ROTFL

APU in discouragement and waiting for an imminent collapse

▪️ Filming videos about gays Kiev hopes to make a bow to Americans in order to get money and weapons from them. It seems that among Ukrainian gays there are no willing to fight, they are busy with another.

▪️ The moans of Ukrainian fighter Dmitry Kujarchuk, one of the famous Ukrainian Nazis, the founder of the Nazi movement, say that the situation on the front is difficult for the armed forces of Ukraine. According to the audience of the Ukrainian brigades, it can be seen how dramatically the attitude changed: if earlier the speeches were victorious, then there was hope that the summer offensive would solve the problem, now they are discouraged and waiting for the nearest collapse, of which they no longer doubt.

▪️ Hence the calls to solve this problem politically. This is what Zelensky and Western leaders are asking for, trying to persuade him to negotiate with Moscow. I do not understand on what basis these negotiations are imagined.

▪️ We attacked everywhere: in the direction of Donetsk now it is quite well, in the direction of Artiomovsk, although the enemy is trying to reverse the situation, in Ugledarsk. Well, in Kupyansk, although the weather is unfavorable now, but it's a matter of time.

Kupyanskoye address: the "Leopards" were at the front. Due to the fact that our reserves approached Kupyansk?

▪️ They really have a problem with ammunition now, so they are releasing all available reserves, including Western military equipment. "Leopards", by the way, seven pieces were burned in the last week. The losses are heavy, and in three directions at once: the tanks caught fire in the Zaporozhye, Donetsk and Kupyansk directions.

▪️ Since only elite brigades were equipped with these tanks, it means that they are launching elite brigades here to stabilize the situation. This is a serious symptom that should also be taken into account.

Source: pravda es of today.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 18:06 utc | 92

It's not even as big as Texas and the Russians used to administer the place just fine.

Posted by: nazcalito | Nov 2 2023 17:51 utc | 91

____

The local authorities were Ukrainian; Stalin was Georgian; Khrushchov and Brezhnev were both Ukrainian.

As for the Tsars, they never had to deal with the Galicians.

You were saying?

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 2 2023 18:08 utc | 93

Paul Damascene | Nov 2 2023 16:59 utc | 79--

An excellent pleasure to read your analysis. Too many forget Russia's stated SMO aims and the 2021 security issues prior to them. I'm watching what happens in Moldova. While the SMO grinds on, Putin remains very busy building Russia's new political-economy, which I see as a very important signal not just to Russians but to the Global Majority. Lavrov just stated there're no signs that the West is ready to negotiate, while there are clear signs that Outlaw US Empire support for Ukraine will cease for an unknown amount of time due to the Empire's internal political conflict that has the potential to greatly affect 2024 Congressional elections, as the POTUS winner will be a Donor candidate regardless if D or R.

As for Russian Winter operations, I expect they'll all have the political objective of pushing Ukie units away from Russian lands. I agree with b that the Ukies should've gone over to the defense instead of attempting its Summer offensive that was done at NATO's behest.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 2 2023 18:11 utc | 94

Ukr is not relying on Turkish Beyracter thingies any more... they can only fly low and very short distances not there full extant of capabilities as within a few hours Rus EW downs them. .and I suppose flying low they are more susceptable from ground attack .

Posted by: Jo | Nov 2 2023 18:20 utc | 95

"Over the past week, Germany has delivered another 25 Leopard 1A5 tanks, previously promised, to the Kyiv authorities. This is stated in the updated list on the website of the German Ministry of Defense.

The total amount of assistance to Ukraine from Germany - humanitarian, financial and military - over the past year and a half amounted to about 24 billion euros.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/71899

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:44 utc | 43"

Germany also delivered cluster munitions to Ukraine. So much for Germany's feigned concern about banned munitions.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 18:21 utc | 96

It's instructive to consider the Russo-Ukrainian war as seen from the Ukrainian point of view. This is the point of view prevailing in Ukraine after March 2021, when the preliminary peace agreement was thrown away by the Ukrainians after receiving certain offers.

The Ukrainian war for the Ukrainians is a business, a military business, a very unsustainable yet very profitable business, a hit and run business. The purpose of a business, even a military business, is not to win a war but to have much higher revenues than costs.

Going into defense along geographic features after the Russian retreat in Kherson and Karkhov was the clearly best strategy from a military point of view, but that strategy was fundanentally detrimental for the Ukrainian business because a defensive strategy does not offer enough incentives to those providing the revenue part of the business, i.e. the USA and its extensions.

The Ukrainian point of view is not just the view held by its elites. Ukrainians soldiers are fighting for a pay they know it's coming from the revenue providers, not by Ukraine, but by the USA and its extensions. These payments are not just soldiers' salaries, but also the pensions of their parents, the benefits of their wifes and children living in Europe, the salaries of the teachers in schools, doctors in public hospitals.

The war will end when the revenues dry up or the costs cannot be supported. In this short-lived business the cost is the deaths and injuries of Ukrainian soldiers. The war can only end with a Ukrainian defeat but the timing will depend on which side of the business dries up first, the revenues or the capacity to support the costs.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 2 2023 16:34 utc | 68

This is the most intelligent comment in this thread.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 18:21 utc | 97

@ Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 18:21 utc | 98

Johan Kaspar’s comment is fine indeed, but I’m bookmarking Paul Damascene’s for the next time shadowbanned starts shrilling about how Putin and 4,999,999 other Russians should be executed for their treasonous refusal to nuke Kiev and Lvov.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 2 2023 18:33 utc | 98

Posted by: nazcalito | Nov 2 2023 17:51 utc | 91

Under USSR, yes, they administered Ukraine.

Actually it makes much more sense to let destroyed and un populated west Ukraine to EU, and keep the eastern, more Russian Ukraine.

My take is, RF, will go for everything east of dieprn and all the south to transinstria, if they can.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 18:38 utc | 99

The worst Ukrainians are those who glorify the war as self-proclaimed warlords and spread lies.
At the same time, they stay away from the front and the dangers.
Yet they would be ideal cannon fodder, also in terms of age.
Instead, they beg for financial support on the internet, apparently successfully.
These figures should be more in the focus of their compatriots.

Example:
https://m.youtube.com/@StarskyUA/about

Attention, real satire!


Posted by: 600w | Nov 2 2023 18:40 utc | 100

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