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November 2, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: Technologies And Stalemate – Zaluzny’s Failures

There are three new pieces in the Economist with the Ukrainian General Zaluzny.

The first is an interview:

Ukraine’s commander-in-chief on the breakthrough he needs to beat RussiaEconomist – Nov 1, 2023

The second is an op-ed written by Zaluzny himself:

The commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces on what he needs to beat RussiaEconomist – Nov 1, 2023
Technology is the key as the war becomes “positional”, says Valery Zaluzhny

The op-ed is the short form of a longer essay by Zaluzny which is also available at the Economist site:

MODERN POSITIONAL WARFARE AND HOW TO WIN IN ITEconomist – Nov 1, 2023

Zaluzny's central thesis is that the war is currently at a stalemate. It has become positional, with no large maneuvers being possible. He compares it to the war in Europe in 1917. There, he says, a change only happened through the introduction of new technologies (i.e. tanks).

Zaluzny recognizes that the long term winner in a positional war will be Russia:

[D]ue to many subjective and objective reasons, the war at the present stage is gradually moving to a positional form, a way out of which in the historical retrospect has always been difficult for both the Armed Forces and the state as a whole. At the same time, the prolongation of a war, as a rule, in most cases, is beneficial to one of the parties to the conflict. In our particular case, it is the russian federation, as it gives it the opportunity to reconstitute and build up its military power. Therefore, the issues of understanding the causes of such a situation, finding possible ways out of it and changing the nature and course of this war in favour of Ukraine are of particular relevance in modern conditions.

Zaluzny thinks that the way to end the positional warfare stalemate are new technologies. His solution is to ask for, and to heavily invest in,  certain fields that might give Ukraine an advantage.

He wants masses of drones, more small electronic warfare systems, better counter-artillery abilities, better and more mine breaching technologies and last but not least more build-up of reserves.

I for one think that Zaluzny is mistaken. The war is not at a stalemate. Russia has clearly the advantage as it is free to maneuver along the whole frontline and to attack wherever it likes. It does not do so in full force because the current situation allows it to conveniently fulfill the order its commander in chief had given to it – to destroy the military capabilities of Ukraine.

None of the technologies Zaluzny has listed are really new. They are capabilities Russia already has, and which the Ukraine clearly lacks – at least in numbers. During the two decades of the war of terror the West has neglected to deeply invest in these fields while Russia had continued to further develop them. It is an advantage that will be hard to catch up with.

One more point on the last change Zaluzny wants to implement – the build-up of reserves.

It is Ukraine's strategy of 'attack everywhere' and of 'never giving ground for lives', that has prevented it from doing that. This may well be because of Zelenski's insistence of holding Bakhmut and currently of holding Avdiivka at whatever the price. Both have cost the Ukraine a huge amount of material and men. Zelenski insisted on attacking and on holding out because he needed to show success to get more money and weapons.

That strategy has failed and it has killed the Ukrainian army:

Since the start of the invasion, Ukraine has refused to release official counts of dead and wounded. But according to U.S. and European estimates, the toll has long surpassed 100,000 on each side of the war. It has eroded the ranks of Ukraine’s armed forces so badly that draft offices have been forced to call up ever older personnel, raising the average age of a soldier in Ukraine to around 43 years. “They’re grown men now, and they aren’t that healthy to begin with,” says the close aide to Zelensky. “This is Ukraine. Not Scandinavia.”

It was Zaluzny's task, as the top military leader, to convince the civilian leadership of the right way to fight the war.

One year ago, after the Russian forces left Kherson city, the Ukrainian army should have gone to solely defensive positions along geographic features that give an advantage. Russia would have had to attack and to endure higher losses. But we still do not see even one decently build Ukrainian defense line. Instead reserves still get thrown into failing attacks and to hold on to obviously lost cauldron positions.


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During the last days tanks from the 47th brigade (Leo 2) and 10th mountain brigade (T-64BM/BV) have been seen, and were destroyed, near Avdiivka. Both brigades had only recently been mauled during their hopeless attacks at the southern front. It does not make sense to throw what is left of them into another battle without reconstituting them. The whole experience and knowledge these brigades had gained will be lost with them.

Zaluzny shows no sign of acknowledging those mistakes. If Zelenzki did not follow his military advice he should have resigned. If he has agreed with Zelenzki's strategy his judgment has simply failed. It is now far too late to correct for either.

Comments

To be fair to Ukraine, one reason for the relatively high average age of soldiers was their innovative conscription policy, which had a minimum age of 27 (just reduced to 25). Historically most countries have used 18-27 as the core of their conscript armies. The Brits started with 18-41 and then 17-21 in post-war National Service which might still see you fighting in Malaya.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_Kingdom

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 2 2023 13:40 utc | 1

To be fair to Ukraine, one reason for the relatively high average age of soldiers was their innovative conscription policy, which had a minimum age of 27 (just reduced to 25). Historically most countries have used 18-27 as the core of their conscript armies. The Brits started with 18-41 and then 17-21 in post-war National Service which might still see you fighting in Malaya.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_Kingdom

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 2 2023 13:40 utc | 2

“New technologies” did not break the stalemate of the first World War — the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed. And most likely the world would be a much better place today.

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Nov 2 2023 13:42 utc | 3

“New technologies” did not break the stalemate of the first World War — the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed. And most likely the world would be a much better place today.

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Nov 2 2023 13:42 utc | 4

The grift will continue as long as the fighting continues. Those doing the fighting and dying are not recipients of the grift. Therefore, the fighting will continue.

Posted by: Scott | Nov 2 2023 13:43 utc | 5

The grift will continue as long as the fighting continues. Those doing the fighting and dying are not recipients of the grift. Therefore, the fighting will continue.

Posted by: Scott | Nov 2 2023 13:43 utc | 6

Equally if Boris Johnson did not agree with Biden’s political advice , he should have resigned. Oh. He did.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 2 2023 13:44 utc | 7

Equally if Boris Johnson did not agree with Biden’s political advice , he should have resigned. Oh. He did.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 2 2023 13:44 utc | 8

The Russians declared the war of attrition after they withdrew from kiev, the war will be essentially stalemated until ukraine runs out of people or they stop fighting under the pressure.
Russias advantage is having more people to die, period.
Ukraine is betting on russian will to stop first.
This is the war. There will be no surrenders or great advances until one side runs out of its weakest link.
And ukraine has received a lot more weapons than announced, enough for everyone to fight in the country. Western propaganda notwithstanding.
If you want a tell, wait until you DONT hear that ukraine is rushing in reserves, B.
Otherwise you fall for the false hope that is the western propaganda that ukriane isn’t getting enough weapons. They have more than enough to kill everyone.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 2 2023 13:53 utc | 9

The Russians declared the war of attrition after they withdrew from kiev, the war will be essentially stalemated until ukraine runs out of people or they stop fighting under the pressure.
Russias advantage is having more people to die, period.
Ukraine is betting on russian will to stop first.
This is the war. There will be no surrenders or great advances until one side runs out of its weakest link.
And ukraine has received a lot more weapons than announced, enough for everyone to fight in the country. Western propaganda notwithstanding.
If you want a tell, wait until you DONT hear that ukraine is rushing in reserves, B.
Otherwise you fall for the false hope that is the western propaganda that ukriane isn’t getting enough weapons. They have more than enough to kill everyone.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 2 2023 13:53 utc | 10

“The war is not at a stalemate. Russia has clearly the advantage as it is free to maneuver along the whole frontline and to attack wherever it likes.”
While I generally agree with this post, this part in particular is hard to defend. With initiative passing from Ukraine to Russia, Russia’s grand plan is to attempt to pinch off a salient (also the most heavily fortified point on Ukraine’s line). Such a move is bound to be expensive in lives and material, and by definition cannot create any type of breakthrough. The only goal is to grind down Ukraine attritionally and win a propaganda victory. This shows the real limits of Russia operational vision at this point, and largely supports Zaluzny’s that the war is stalemating.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 11

“The war is not at a stalemate. Russia has clearly the advantage as it is free to maneuver along the whole frontline and to attack wherever it likes.”
While I generally agree with this post, this part in particular is hard to defend. With initiative passing from Ukraine to Russia, Russia’s grand plan is to attempt to pinch off a salient (also the most heavily fortified point on Ukraine’s line). Such a move is bound to be expensive in lives and material, and by definition cannot create any type of breakthrough. The only goal is to grind down Ukraine attritionally and win a propaganda victory. This shows the real limits of Russia operational vision at this point, and largely supports Zaluzny’s that the war is stalemating.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 12

I have absolute confidence in Elensky and Zal to turn things around very soon and drive the orcs back to Mordor.

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 2 2023 14:06 utc | 13

I have absolute confidence in Elensky and Zal to turn things around very soon and drive the orcs back to Mordor.

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 2 2023 14:06 utc | 14

Zelenski’s orders demonstrate goals rational to Ukraine and goals rational to its NATO backed global monopoly powered privately owned corporate masters are at odds. Zelenski cannot serve two masters at once; especially when the goals are non congruent. Zelenski is corporate owned slave driver.. He has driven his Ukrainian slaves to exert their effort to serve the interest of the private corporations and the Oligarchs who own them; it is the private interest which hold the monopoly powers which the Russian economy threatens.
Monopolies in oil, gas, farm output, weapons, space, bioscience, and converting state money (by grant or loans or performance contracts) to private use are evident thus far. IMO, it is really wrong to look at the SMO as an invasion by Russia of Ukraine. It should be looked at more as a final defense put forth by Russia to restrain NATO from imposing the intentions of the interest seeking to acquire, achieve or keep exclusive, privately owned, monopolist greed that control NATO.

Posted by: snake | Nov 2 2023 14:07 utc | 15

Zelenski’s orders demonstrate goals rational to Ukraine and goals rational to its NATO backed global monopoly powered privately owned corporate masters are at odds. Zelenski cannot serve two masters at once; especially when the goals are non congruent. Zelenski is corporate owned slave driver.. He has driven his Ukrainian slaves to exert their effort to serve the interest of the private corporations and the Oligarchs who own them; it is the private interest which hold the monopoly powers which the Russian economy threatens.
Monopolies in oil, gas, farm output, weapons, space, bioscience, and converting state money (by grant or loans or performance contracts) to private use are evident thus far. IMO, it is really wrong to look at the SMO as an invasion by Russia of Ukraine. It should be looked at more as a final defense put forth by Russia to restrain NATO from imposing the intentions of the interest seeking to acquire, achieve or keep exclusive, privately owned, monopolist greed that control NATO.

Posted by: snake | Nov 2 2023 14:07 utc | 16

3.the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed.
That’s the Disney version … during the winter of 1917-18 German civilians were starving to death because of the naval blockade which led to a revolution and a socialist government in November 1918.
Yes the Americans showed up and 1918 and by coincidence the Germans surrendered in 1918 however the germans at the time were carrying out a successful offensive bolstered by the massive number of troops freed up by Russia’s capitulation.
The offensive ran out of supplies due to the blockade … the Germans weren’t defeated in battle. This is where Hitler’s infamous “stab in the back” theory came from and he blamed the jews because they were responsible for the German revolution in his eyes.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 2 2023 14:08 utc | 17

3.the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed.
That’s the Disney version … during the winter of 1917-18 German civilians were starving to death because of the naval blockade which led to a revolution and a socialist government in November 1918.
Yes the Americans showed up and 1918 and by coincidence the Germans surrendered in 1918 however the germans at the time were carrying out a successful offensive bolstered by the massive number of troops freed up by Russia’s capitulation.
The offensive ran out of supplies due to the blockade … the Germans weren’t defeated in battle. This is where Hitler’s infamous “stab in the back” theory came from and he blamed the jews because they were responsible for the German revolution in his eyes.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 2 2023 14:08 utc | 18

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Nov 2 2023 13:42 utc | 3
One of the great opportunities of world history was blown by the US in WWI. Rather than go to war on the side of the British, French and Russians against the Central Powers, the US should have entered the war on the side of the Central Powers in 1917.
Russia was already in defeat marked by the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk which rendered Europe resource self sufficient and leaving Russia to wallow in Bolshevism ending the Asiatic threat for 100’s of years.
The British Empire would have fallen in the US lap like a ripe plum. Its exhausted military would have withdrawn to old Blighty where a US embargo would have soon enough forced surrender.
France was already a spent force after the 1917 Army Mutiny and would have been rapidly mopped up by the German military. A joint Central Power – US alliance could have then formed a UN type structure with the newly liberated colonies. Under the “American Economic System” there would have been a new Golden Age for the planet having defanged the traditional warmongers, England, France and Russia.
Instead, here we are, staring straight down the barrel of WWIII.

Posted by: Oswald | Nov 2 2023 14:12 utc | 19

As the stages of grief go. I guess this are now the ‘Bargaining’ (Ukraine) and ‘Anger’ (Palestinian mass murder) one’s.
Has that General been in public appearances anyway?
We have seen the Denial, already over the years – this grief goes a long way before the SMO began and is a Geopolitical Death of The Collective Wests drive for Domination of The World.
Anger at Russia and China and anyone who stood up against being dominated. Pretty much a reason for most of the wars over the past two centuries.
Anger as xenophobia and racism against Arabs, Russians, Chinese…every single peoples who Resist.
Denial of the Multipolar new reality.
Acceptance? Most of the Western populations will just carry on living their daily lives, never having had any control over their fates , regardless of how much they believe they were equal to their Masters Ambitions.
The Economist mutterings display its Masters Depression stage
Do Psychopaths get depressed?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 2 2023 14:12 utc | 20

Posted by: Adriatic Hillbilly | Nov 2 2023 13:42 utc | 3
One of the great opportunities of world history was blown by the US in WWI. Rather than go to war on the side of the British, French and Russians against the Central Powers, the US should have entered the war on the side of the Central Powers in 1917.
Russia was already in defeat marked by the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk which rendered Europe resource self sufficient and leaving Russia to wallow in Bolshevism ending the Asiatic threat for 100’s of years.
The British Empire would have fallen in the US lap like a ripe plum. Its exhausted military would have withdrawn to old Blighty where a US embargo would have soon enough forced surrender.
France was already a spent force after the 1917 Army Mutiny and would have been rapidly mopped up by the German military. A joint Central Power – US alliance could have then formed a UN type structure with the newly liberated colonies. Under the “American Economic System” there would have been a new Golden Age for the planet having defanged the traditional warmongers, England, France and Russia.
Instead, here we are, staring straight down the barrel of WWIII.

Posted by: Oswald | Nov 2 2023 14:12 utc | 21

As the stages of grief go. I guess this are now the ‘Bargaining’ (Ukraine) and ‘Anger’ (Palestinian mass murder) one’s.
Has that General been in public appearances anyway?
We have seen the Denial, already over the years – this grief goes a long way before the SMO began and is a Geopolitical Death of The Collective Wests drive for Domination of The World.
Anger at Russia and China and anyone who stood up against being dominated. Pretty much a reason for most of the wars over the past two centuries.
Anger as xenophobia and racism against Arabs, Russians, Chinese…every single peoples who Resist.
Denial of the Multipolar new reality.
Acceptance? Most of the Western populations will just carry on living their daily lives, never having had any control over their fates , regardless of how much they believe they were equal to their Masters Ambitions.
The Economist mutterings display its Masters Depression stage
Do Psychopaths get depressed?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 2 2023 14:12 utc | 22

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 7
Not really.
Advika can be, more or less, sieged and, from the Ukraine point of view, loosing or having it sieged would be a massive loss, strategically and prpagandistically.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:13 utc | 23

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 7
Not really.
Advika can be, more or less, sieged and, from the Ukraine point of view, loosing or having it sieged would be a massive loss, strategically and prpagandistically.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:13 utc | 24

New Technologies come from Investment and Research, time and ingenuity.
Hmm…
Apparently Ukraine is a Street Brawler, unaware of his surroundings, no sense of the power of his opponent, and no survival plan.
Being egged on by others, stroking its big ego.
How many Ukrainians, if they looked honestly inwards, would have taken Russia up on its offer before the SMO/war?
The United States of Belligerence just slipped out of Afghanistan in the middle of the night, yet Ukraine apparently missed the message.
Give the Ukrainian People the choice of Peace with Russia, the execution of all Ukrainian War Mongers, or continuing enrichment/theft for the scum at the top of the Ukrainian food chain.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 2 2023 14:15 utc | 25

New Technologies come from Investment and Research, time and ingenuity.
Hmm…
Apparently Ukraine is a Street Brawler, unaware of his surroundings, no sense of the power of his opponent, and no survival plan.
Being egged on by others, stroking its big ego.
How many Ukrainians, if they looked honestly inwards, would have taken Russia up on its offer before the SMO/war?
The United States of Belligerence just slipped out of Afghanistan in the middle of the night, yet Ukraine apparently missed the message.
Give the Ukrainian People the choice of Peace with Russia, the execution of all Ukrainian War Mongers, or continuing enrichment/theft for the scum at the top of the Ukrainian food chain.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 2 2023 14:15 utc | 26

Zaluzny thinks that the way to end the positional warfare stalemate are new technologies. His solution is to ask for, and to heavily invest in, certain fields that might give Ukraine an advantage.

Wunderwaffe!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 2 2023 14:15 utc | 27

Zaluzny thinks that the way to end the positional warfare stalemate are new technologies. His solution is to ask for, and to heavily invest in, certain fields that might give Ukraine an advantage.

Wunderwaffe!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 2 2023 14:15 utc | 28

Perhaps what is happening, as in regards to “static warfare”, is that drones, night-vision equipment, electronic signal intelligence etc. recon technologies have made the prospects of old-style large maneuver attacks must less profitable. Therefore, those sort of tactics are rarely used – except we have seen it in Ukraine, mostly being done by AFU, and during the first 6 months. And during their counter-offensive, and now first days of RUAF Avdeevka attack.
Since it’s impossible to concentrate a large force in a small area, which makes it impossible to initiate such attacks. Instead, small-unit tactics prevail, which might create the optical illusion that nothing is happening on a large front. But zoomed into the sub-kilometre level, a lot of things continue happening in maneuvers, just on a smaller scale.
Currently, even with a seemingly static front, AFU does initiate attacks. In Rabotyne, they have tried continuous armored-infantry attacks to the west, where they are wrecked with drones and other means. This has been a failure.
In Avdeevka, they have attempted several counterattacks including with Bradley’s and Leopard 2’s. This failed as well.
They might yet launch a “larger” attack from Pervomaiske on the southern pincer of Avdeevka. We’ll see how that goes.
In Kupyansk area, the eastern stronghold of Kyslivka is on the verge of being surrounded.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 14:16 utc | 29

Perhaps what is happening, as in regards to “static warfare”, is that drones, night-vision equipment, electronic signal intelligence etc. recon technologies have made the prospects of old-style large maneuver attacks must less profitable. Therefore, those sort of tactics are rarely used – except we have seen it in Ukraine, mostly being done by AFU, and during the first 6 months. And during their counter-offensive, and now first days of RUAF Avdeevka attack.
Since it’s impossible to concentrate a large force in a small area, which makes it impossible to initiate such attacks. Instead, small-unit tactics prevail, which might create the optical illusion that nothing is happening on a large front. But zoomed into the sub-kilometre level, a lot of things continue happening in maneuvers, just on a smaller scale.
Currently, even with a seemingly static front, AFU does initiate attacks. In Rabotyne, they have tried continuous armored-infantry attacks to the west, where they are wrecked with drones and other means. This has been a failure.
In Avdeevka, they have attempted several counterattacks including with Bradley’s and Leopard 2’s. This failed as well.
They might yet launch a “larger” attack from Pervomaiske on the southern pincer of Avdeevka. We’ll see how that goes.
In Kupyansk area, the eastern stronghold of Kyslivka is on the verge of being surrounded.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 14:16 utc | 30

Perhaps what is happening, as in regards to “static warfare”, is that drones, night-vision equipment, electronic signal intelligence etc. recon technologies have made the prospects of old-style large maneuver attacks must less profitable. Therefore, those sort of tactics are rarely used – except we have seen it in Ukraine, mostly being done by AFU, and during the first 6 months. And during their counter-offensive, and now first days of RUAF Avdeevka attack.
Since it’s impossible to concentrate a large force in a small area, which makes it impossible to initiate such attacks. Instead, small-unit tactics prevail, which might create the optical illusion that nothing is happening on a large front. But zoomed into the sub-kilometre level, a lot of things continue happening in maneuvers, just on a smaller scale.
Currently, even with a seemingly static front, AFU does initiate attacks. In Rabotyne, they have tried continuous armored-infantry attacks to the west, where they are wrecked with drones and other means. This has been a failure.
In Avdeevka, they have attempted several counterattacks including with Bradley’s and Leopard 2’s. This failed as well.
They might yet launch a “larger” attack from Pervomaiske on the southern pincer of Avdeevka. We’ll see how that goes.
In Kupyansk area, the eastern stronghold of Kyslivka is on the verge of being surrounded.

Posted by: _unimperator_ | Nov 2 2023 14:17 utc | 31

Perhaps what is happening, as in regards to “static warfare”, is that drones, night-vision equipment, electronic signal intelligence etc. recon technologies have made the prospects of old-style large maneuver attacks must less profitable. Therefore, those sort of tactics are rarely used – except we have seen it in Ukraine, mostly being done by AFU, and during the first 6 months. And during their counter-offensive, and now first days of RUAF Avdeevka attack.
Since it’s impossible to concentrate a large force in a small area, which makes it impossible to initiate such attacks. Instead, small-unit tactics prevail, which might create the optical illusion that nothing is happening on a large front. But zoomed into the sub-kilometre level, a lot of things continue happening in maneuvers, just on a smaller scale.
Currently, even with a seemingly static front, AFU does initiate attacks. In Rabotyne, they have tried continuous armored-infantry attacks to the west, where they are wrecked with drones and other means. This has been a failure.
In Avdeevka, they have attempted several counterattacks including with Bradley’s and Leopard 2’s. This failed as well.
They might yet launch a “larger” attack from Pervomaiske on the southern pincer of Avdeevka. We’ll see how that goes.
In Kupyansk area, the eastern stronghold of Kyslivka is on the verge of being surrounded.

Posted by: _unimperator_ | Nov 2 2023 14:17 utc | 32

AP cut and paste drivel still going strong.
https://www.thejournal.ie/russia-denies-stalemate-ukraine-war-6212966-Nov2023/

Posted by: jpc | Nov 2 2023 14:21 utc | 33

AP cut and paste drivel still going strong.
https://www.thejournal.ie/russia-denies-stalemate-ukraine-war-6212966-Nov2023/

Posted by: jpc | Nov 2 2023 14:21 utc | 34

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:13 utc | 13
Certainly for propaganda, as I said, but strategic? No. It can end the shelling of Donestsk, but that’s about it. By definition, pinching off a salient cannot create a breakthrough, and there is no evidence any significant number of troops could be encircled (Russia failed to do this in much larger Bahkmut). Even if Russia is successful here, are they closer to any other goal? Again, this shows the limits of their vision and the ossifying of the front lines.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:39 utc | 35

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:13 utc | 13
Certainly for propaganda, as I said, but strategic? No. It can end the shelling of Donestsk, but that’s about it. By definition, pinching off a salient cannot create a breakthrough, and there is no evidence any significant number of troops could be encircled (Russia failed to do this in much larger Bahkmut). Even if Russia is successful here, are they closer to any other goal? Again, this shows the limits of their vision and the ossifying of the front lines.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:39 utc | 36

Seems that Ukraine is busily responding to the Time cover story.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 14:41 utc | 37

Seems that Ukraine is busily responding to the Time cover story.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 14:41 utc | 38

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:13 utc | 13
Re. Avdeevka there is also another possibility. That RUAF might adapt its plans frequently and on the basis what the opponent is doing, rather than stubbornly stick to one initial plan regardless whether the cube fits in the triangle or not.
They might see the AFU stripping other fronts for Avdeevka, and they see AFU throwing more counter-attacks on the pincers. So they might slow down the initial plan and focus on defeating the counter-attacks instead. This seems to be exactly what has happened in recent days.
As long as AFU throws its high-quality assets into dubious or low-prospect counter-offensive adventures, it’s all probably fine and dandy.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 14:45 utc | 39

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:13 utc | 13
Re. Avdeevka there is also another possibility. That RUAF might adapt its plans frequently and on the basis what the opponent is doing, rather than stubbornly stick to one initial plan regardless whether the cube fits in the triangle or not.
They might see the AFU stripping other fronts for Avdeevka, and they see AFU throwing more counter-attacks on the pincers. So they might slow down the initial plan and focus on defeating the counter-attacks instead. This seems to be exactly what has happened in recent days.
As long as AFU throws its high-quality assets into dubious or low-prospect counter-offensive adventures, it’s all probably fine and dandy.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 14:45 utc | 40

3.the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed.
That’s the Disney version … during the winter of 1917-18 German civilians were starving to death because of the naval blockade which led to a revolution and a socialist government in November 1918.
Yes the Americans showed up and 1918 and by coincidence the Germans surrendered in 1918 however the germans at the time were carrying out a successful offensive bolstered by the massive number of troops freed up by Russia’s capitulation.
The offensive ran out of supplies due to the blockade … the Germans weren’t defeated in battle. This is where Hitler’s infamous “stab in the back” theory came from and he blamed the jews because they were responsible for the German revolution in his eyes.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 2 2023 14:08 utc | 10
By all accounts, the German Spring Offensive ground to a halt in large part because Ludendorff kept changing objectives and thus wasted a lot of men and supplies for little discernable purpose.
As a result, Germany now had longer lines of communication, less defensible positions and a longer front to defend when the Entente counterattacked. Not to mention the Entente had fresh reserves of supplies and men, including Americans.
Anyway, IMHO, the United States had no business involving itself in WWI on either side.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 14:49 utc | 41

3.the entry of the US in 1917, with its fresh forces is what tipped the balance. Had the US not entered, the Central Powers would have eventually prevailed.
That’s the Disney version … during the winter of 1917-18 German civilians were starving to death because of the naval blockade which led to a revolution and a socialist government in November 1918.
Yes the Americans showed up and 1918 and by coincidence the Germans surrendered in 1918 however the germans at the time were carrying out a successful offensive bolstered by the massive number of troops freed up by Russia’s capitulation.
The offensive ran out of supplies due to the blockade … the Germans weren’t defeated in battle. This is where Hitler’s infamous “stab in the back” theory came from and he blamed the jews because they were responsible for the German revolution in his eyes.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Nov 2 2023 14:08 utc | 10
By all accounts, the German Spring Offensive ground to a halt in large part because Ludendorff kept changing objectives and thus wasted a lot of men and supplies for little discernable purpose.
As a result, Germany now had longer lines of communication, less defensible positions and a longer front to defend when the Entente counterattacked. Not to mention the Entente had fresh reserves of supplies and men, including Americans.
Anyway, IMHO, the United States had no business involving itself in WWI on either side.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 2 2023 14:49 utc | 42

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:39 utc | 19
‘ending the shelling of Donesktz’ , really more than that, is indeed a strategic failure.
Also, I wouldn’t undervaluate the possibility that, in order to keep Andrivka, UAF should possibly reclaim trouos and equipment from other fronts, weakening them.
This is supposedly already happening.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:50 utc | 43

Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:39 utc | 19
‘ending the shelling of Donesktz’ , really more than that, is indeed a strategic failure.
Also, I wouldn’t undervaluate the possibility that, in order to keep Andrivka, UAF should possibly reclaim trouos and equipment from other fronts, weakening them.
This is supposedly already happening.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 2 2023 14:50 utc | 44

Ukraine, a nation currently numbering only 11 million, is running out of men, as well as facing far superior technology..It will be finished within 9 months..Adveeka will fall within a week or two, per Ukrainian sources…So Z starts talking about a stalemate….Par for the course..

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 2 2023 14:53 utc | 45

Ukraine, a nation currently numbering only 11 million, is running out of men, as well as facing far superior technology..It will be finished within 9 months..Adveeka will fall within a week or two, per Ukrainian sources…So Z starts talking about a stalemate….Par for the course..

Posted by: pyrrhus | Nov 2 2023 14:53 utc | 46

The left bank in Kherson is totally inconsequential. The Ukranazis can’t supply their troops that landed there. They can’t advance far from there. Even if they somehow threw so many troops in that they managed to reach the Black Sea from there [which would denude their other fronts, but forever that for the moment], so what? They can’t threaten Crimea from there and after the Russian Kherson withdrawal, it isn’t strategic territory.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 2 2023 14:57 utc | 47

The left bank in Kherson is totally inconsequential. The Ukranazis can’t supply their troops that landed there. They can’t advance far from there. Even if they somehow threw so many troops in that they managed to reach the Black Sea from there [which would denude their other fronts, but forever that for the moment], so what? They can’t threaten Crimea from there and after the Russian Kherson withdrawal, it isn’t strategic territory.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 2 2023 14:57 utc | 48

what Ukraine needs is sharks with laser beams on their heads

Posted by: Manage without me | Nov 2 2023 14:58 utc | 49

what Ukraine needs is sharks with laser beams on their heads

Posted by: Manage without me | Nov 2 2023 14:58 utc | 50

Such a move is bound to be expensive in lives and material, and by definition cannot create any type of breakthrough. The only goal is to grind down Ukraine attritionally and win a propaganda victory. This shows the real limits of Russia operational vision at this point, and largely supports Zaluzny’s that the war is stalemating.
Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 7

Which propaganda? Russia does not need propaganda. They only need to show the reality. You write about attrition, but it looks like you do not understand the result of such attrition. It is not because it is slow that it is a stalemate. Quite the contrary. Expensive in lives and material? Not for Russia when the there is more than 10 Ukrainians killed for 1 Russian. The meat grinder is working only on one side.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:00 utc | 51

Such a move is bound to be expensive in lives and material, and by definition cannot create any type of breakthrough. The only goal is to grind down Ukraine attritionally and win a propaganda victory. This shows the real limits of Russia operational vision at this point, and largely supports Zaluzny’s that the war is stalemating.
Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 7

Which propaganda? Russia does not need propaganda. They only need to show the reality. You write about attrition, but it looks like you do not understand the result of such attrition. It is not because it is slow that it is a stalemate. Quite the contrary. Expensive in lives and material? Not for Russia when the there is more than 10 Ukrainians killed for 1 Russian. The meat grinder is working only on one side.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:00 utc | 52

Zaluzny thinks that the way to end the positional warfare stalemate are new technologies. His solution is to ask for, and to heavily invest in, certain fields that might give Ukraine an advantage.
Such as biological and chemichal weapons? Or targeting NPP?

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:03 utc | 53

Zaluzny thinks that the way to end the positional warfare stalemate are new technologies. His solution is to ask for, and to heavily invest in, certain fields that might give Ukraine an advantage.
Such as biological and chemichal weapons? Or targeting NPP?

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:03 utc | 54

Avdeevka: “This shows the real limits of Russia operational vision at this point, and largely supports Zaluzny’s that the war is stalemating.
Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 7”
The assault of Avdeevka is politically driven. The shelling of Donetsk City originates from there and environs, and capturing Avdeevka and driving the AFR west is the only way to stop it.

Posted by: Tedder | Nov 2 2023 15:03 utc | 55

Avdeevka: “This shows the real limits of Russia operational vision at this point, and largely supports Zaluzny’s that the war is stalemating.
Posted by: Bob | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 7”
The assault of Avdeevka is politically driven. The shelling of Donetsk City originates from there and environs, and capturing Avdeevka and driving the AFR west is the only way to stop it.

Posted by: Tedder | Nov 2 2023 15:03 utc | 56

Just reading the argument here, it seems to me that it is the western political puppeteers who have driven the war along the path it has taken (and the Russian response of course) with their constant demand for war propaganda material to maintain support for what was obviously a stupid idea militarily to begin with.
“Never get into a land war in Asia”
“Never march on Moscow”
And especially don’t do it with no industrial base.
Etc.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2023 15:07 utc | 57

Just reading the argument here, it seems to me that it is the western political puppeteers who have driven the war along the path it has taken (and the Russian response of course) with their constant demand for war propaganda material to maintain support for what was obviously a stupid idea militarily to begin with.
“Never get into a land war in Asia”
“Never march on Moscow”
And especially don’t do it with no industrial base.
Etc.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2023 15:07 utc | 58

Russia is using cauldrons on multiple levels where the enemy is cooked, and the lid left open for more resources to be added. Avdeevka is a cauldron left open so that soldiers and equipment can be let in for destruction. Ukraine itself is a huge cauldron left open in the west where NATO can pour in its equipment and money for destruction.
This is a smart strategy.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:09 utc | 59

Russia is using cauldrons on multiple levels where the enemy is cooked, and the lid left open for more resources to be added. Avdeevka is a cauldron left open so that soldiers and equipment can be let in for destruction. Ukraine itself is a huge cauldron left open in the west where NATO can pour in its equipment and money for destruction.
This is a smart strategy.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:09 utc | 60

Russias advantage is having more people to die, period.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 2 2023 13:53 utc | 6
Ukraine is betting on russian will to stop first.

A stupid bet, like all Ukrainian ones.
And ukraine has received a lot more weapons than announced, enough for everyone to fight in the country.
The problem is that many Ukrainians do not want to fight.
If you want a tell, wait until you DONT hear that ukraine is rushing in reserves, B.
Where are the reserves when the 47th brigade is sent to defend Avdieievka?
Otherwise you fall for the false hope that is the western propaganda that ukriane isn’t getting enough weapons. They have more than enough to kill everyone.
How many Leopards left? How many other vehicles left? How many fighter jets left? Where are the Abrams? Where are the F16?
LOL

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:10 utc | 61

Russias advantage is having more people to die, period.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 2 2023 13:53 utc | 6
Ukraine is betting on russian will to stop first.

A stupid bet, like all Ukrainian ones.
And ukraine has received a lot more weapons than announced, enough for everyone to fight in the country.
The problem is that many Ukrainians do not want to fight.
If you want a tell, wait until you DONT hear that ukraine is rushing in reserves, B.
Where are the reserves when the 47th brigade is sent to defend Avdieievka?
Otherwise you fall for the false hope that is the western propaganda that ukriane isn’t getting enough weapons. They have more than enough to kill everyone.
How many Leopards left? How many other vehicles left? How many fighter jets left? Where are the Abrams? Where are the F16?
LOL

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:10 utc | 62

What Ukraine needs are pterodactyls with laser beams on their wings.

Posted by: William Marshall | Nov 2 2023 15:11 utc | 63

What Ukraine needs are pterodactyls with laser beams on their wings.

Posted by: William Marshall | Nov 2 2023 15:11 utc | 64

Once the ground freezes, after Russia has further eroded the AFU’s air defenses, and reservoir of tracked vehicles, then we might see that one side in this conflict is capable of maneuver warfare.
Russia might as a prelude to an attack focus its drone and missile attacks on a few areas, and then in conjunction with that move up its armored vehicles so as to take the high ground on the flanks of the AFU’s forward positions.
If Zelenskyy persists in his insistence on keeping the bulk of the AFU’s hardware within striking distance of Russia’s fortified lines, then Russia’s improving position relative to that of Ukraine will eventually dictate that an offensive is worth making. If Russia can defeat Ukraine’s forward elements while the ground is frozen, then Ukraine could be compelled to retreat during the spring muddy season.
And as mud season doesn’t happen all at once, Russia’s lighter tanks, which are also more numerous, would have an advantage if they pursued Ukraine’s retreating vehicles.
Russia’s line of defense is secure, so they can eventually attack anywhere they choose along it.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 2 2023 15:12 utc | 65

Once the ground freezes, after Russia has further eroded the AFU’s air defenses, and reservoir of tracked vehicles, then we might see that one side in this conflict is capable of maneuver warfare.
Russia might as a prelude to an attack focus its drone and missile attacks on a few areas, and then in conjunction with that move up its armored vehicles so as to take the high ground on the flanks of the AFU’s forward positions.
If Zelenskyy persists in his insistence on keeping the bulk of the AFU’s hardware within striking distance of Russia’s fortified lines, then Russia’s improving position relative to that of Ukraine will eventually dictate that an offensive is worth making. If Russia can defeat Ukraine’s forward elements while the ground is frozen, then Ukraine could be compelled to retreat during the spring muddy season.
And as mud season doesn’t happen all at once, Russia’s lighter tanks, which are also more numerous, would have an advantage if they pursued Ukraine’s retreating vehicles.
Russia’s line of defense is secure, so they can eventually attack anywhere they choose along it.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 2 2023 15:12 utc | 66

Russias advantage is having more people to die, period.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 2 2023 13:53 utc | 6

Nope. For the Russians it is a SMO, it is not a war. They conduct the SMO with the minimal number of soldiers necessary for the attrition and to achieve the objectives of the SMO at a minimal cost. Time is not a problem as the western economy, especially the European one, is shrinking while at the same time the European oposition to support Ukraine is increasing.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:15 utc | 67

Russias advantage is having more people to die, period.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Nov 2 2023 13:53 utc | 6

Nope. For the Russians it is a SMO, it is not a war. They conduct the SMO with the minimal number of soldiers necessary for the attrition and to achieve the objectives of the SMO at a minimal cost. Time is not a problem as the western economy, especially the European one, is shrinking while at the same time the European oposition to support Ukraine is increasing.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:15 utc | 68

Sounds like Zaluzny is just as delusional as Zelensky. Even a third-grader knows you don’t go to war if you have no weapons and no army, or if your weapons and army are completely dependent on the favors of others. Ukraine had no business going to war in the first place. But that’s what happens when you put a comedian in charge of the country.

Posted by: Janet | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 69

Sounds like Zaluzny is just as delusional as Zelensky. Even a third-grader knows you don’t go to war if you have no weapons and no army, or if your weapons and army are completely dependent on the favors of others. Ukraine had no business going to war in the first place. But that’s what happens when you put a comedian in charge of the country.

Posted by: Janet | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 70

I’m agreement with -B- post
Russia also responded quickly with regards to “stalemate” announcements:
https://tass.com/politics/1700685
“The spokesman disagreed with the words of Ukrainian top military commander Valery Zaluzhny that the conflict around the country has reached a stalemate. The top Ukrainian defense official had earlier mentioned this in connection with the Ukrainian troops’ inability to achieve a breakthrough on the front.
“No, it has not reached a stalemate. Russia is consistently carrying out the special military operation. All the set goals should be fulfilled,” Peskov pointed out.”
“Ukraine should have realized long ago that it is absurd to even talk about the possibility of its victory on the battlefield, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 71

I’m agreement with -B- post
Russia also responded quickly with regards to “stalemate” announcements:
https://tass.com/politics/1700685
“The spokesman disagreed with the words of Ukrainian top military commander Valery Zaluzhny that the conflict around the country has reached a stalemate. The top Ukrainian defense official had earlier mentioned this in connection with the Ukrainian troops’ inability to achieve a breakthrough on the front.
“No, it has not reached a stalemate. Russia is consistently carrying out the special military operation. All the set goals should be fulfilled,” Peskov pointed out.”
“Ukraine should have realized long ago that it is absurd to even talk about the possibility of its victory on the battlefield, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 2 2023 15:17 utc | 72

Ultimately speaking, beliefs are what hold a system together. And when people stop believing in the system as it is, in the necessity, or even the possibility of its existence, systems will crumble faster than one thinks. Just remember how fast the USSR faded away, once perestroika had taken hold.
The Ukraine / Gaza wars are made fascinating by the wide interconnexion of military / political / economic / societal factors at play. This opens up the possibility of black swan scenarios that radically change the whole picture more or less out of nowhere.
Let’s take the following as an example. The Iranians eventually close the Hormuz straight … Oil goes up to $ 300 or more per barrel. The $ 600 trillion derivative market goes crashing down. Within weeks, most NATO countries are insolvent. USD, JPY and EUR go down the drain. Paying western civil servants becomes a problem, forget about subsidizing Ukraine and Israel. Russia stays out of the turmoil thanks to the sanctions and its low debt. At that stage, what happens around Avdeevka becomes irrelevant. Ukrainian soldiers are walking back home from their trenches to take care of their loved ones.

Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 2 2023 15:20 utc | 73

Ultimately speaking, beliefs are what hold a system together. And when people stop believing in the system as it is, in the necessity, or even the possibility of its existence, systems will crumble faster than one thinks. Just remember how fast the USSR faded away, once perestroika had taken hold.
The Ukraine / Gaza wars are made fascinating by the wide interconnexion of military / political / economic / societal factors at play. This opens up the possibility of black swan scenarios that radically change the whole picture more or less out of nowhere.
Let’s take the following as an example. The Iranians eventually close the Hormuz straight … Oil goes up to $ 300 or more per barrel. The $ 600 trillion derivative market goes crashing down. Within weeks, most NATO countries are insolvent. USD, JPY and EUR go down the drain. Paying western civil servants becomes a problem, forget about subsidizing Ukraine and Israel. Russia stays out of the turmoil thanks to the sanctions and its low debt. At that stage, what happens around Avdeevka becomes irrelevant. Ukrainian soldiers are walking back home from their trenches to take care of their loved ones.

Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 2 2023 15:20 utc | 74

Ukraine my run out of people, but “ukraine“ has a steady influx of mercenaries and vacationeers from nato. So dont count on running out of personel anytime soon.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 75

Ukraine my run out of people, but “ukraine“ has a steady influx of mercenaries and vacationeers from nato. So dont count on running out of personel anytime soon.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 76

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 39
That might not be the case. The amount of Nato mercenaries (or the intake of new mercenaries) has reportedly plateaued long ago and should be on the decline now. That’s at least what was reported some months ago.
Also, this has a lot to do with the fact that Kiev regime throws foreign mercenaries to the front line duties previously reserved for Ukrainians. But now they have no choice, and the mercenaries don’t like it one bit. The interest started waning when the front saturated and movement without detection and strikes became harder.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 15:31 utc | 77

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 39
That might not be the case. The amount of Nato mercenaries (or the intake of new mercenaries) has reportedly plateaued long ago and should be on the decline now. That’s at least what was reported some months ago.
Also, this has a lot to do with the fact that Kiev regime throws foreign mercenaries to the front line duties previously reserved for Ukrainians. But now they have no choice, and the mercenaries don’t like it one bit. The interest started waning when the front saturated and movement without detection and strikes became harder.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 2 2023 15:31 utc | 78

Ukraine’s military strategy went straight into Grimm’s Fairy Tales mode after Russia set up its “layered, echeloned defense” line. I recall b giving it his tick of approval and wondered if Zelenski’s USUK ‘friends’ would advise him on how best to tackle such a solid strategy?
Imo, they did not. Instead they watched Ukraine use the Russian defense line the way Lemmings use a cliff. Thus almost Zero progress after 4 months of ‘counter-offensive’?
Smells like Betrayal to me.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 2 2023 15:34 utc | 79

Ukraine’s military strategy went straight into Grimm’s Fairy Tales mode after Russia set up its “layered, echeloned defense” line. I recall b giving it his tick of approval and wondered if Zelenski’s USUK ‘friends’ would advise him on how best to tackle such a solid strategy?
Imo, they did not. Instead they watched Ukraine use the Russian defense line the way Lemmings use a cliff. Thus almost Zero progress after 4 months of ‘counter-offensive’?
Smells like Betrayal to me.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 2 2023 15:34 utc | 80

Ukraine cannot, will not defeat Russia.
The (now former) ‘United’ states of America cannot, will not defeat Russia.
But sadly, 10’s of millions (or many, many more) will die will learning this Truth….

Posted by: Robert Hope | Nov 2 2023 15:36 utc | 81

Ukraine cannot, will not defeat Russia.
The (now former) ‘United’ states of America cannot, will not defeat Russia.
But sadly, 10’s of millions (or many, many more) will die will learning this Truth….

Posted by: Robert Hope | Nov 2 2023 15:36 utc | 82

@Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:09 utc | 31

Ukraine itself is a huge cauldron left open in the west where NATO can pour in its equipment and money for destruction.

Over the past week, Germany has delivered another 25 Leopard 1A5 tanks, previously promised, to the Kyiv authorities. This is stated in the updated list on the website of the German Ministry of Defense.
The total amount of assistance to Ukraine from Germany – humanitarian, financial and military – over the past year and a half amounted to about 24 billion euros.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/71899

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:44 utc | 83

@Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:09 utc | 31

Ukraine itself is a huge cauldron left open in the west where NATO can pour in its equipment and money for destruction.

Over the past week, Germany has delivered another 25 Leopard 1A5 tanks, previously promised, to the Kyiv authorities. This is stated in the updated list on the website of the German Ministry of Defense.
The total amount of assistance to Ukraine from Germany – humanitarian, financial and military – over the past year and a half amounted to about 24 billion euros.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/71899

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 2 2023 15:44 utc | 84

“Stalemate” seems to be the new western narrative. Maybe in terms of ground taken or lost. But not the metrics that are important.

Posted by: marcjf | Nov 2 2023 15:45 utc | 85

“Stalemate” seems to be the new western narrative. Maybe in terms of ground taken or lost. But not the metrics that are important.

Posted by: marcjf | Nov 2 2023 15:45 utc | 86

Ukraine my run out of people, but “ukraine“ has a steady influx of mercenaries and vacationeers from nato. So dont count on running out of personel anytime soon.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 39

Mercenaries go for money. Once they understand that they will not have the use of that money from their graves, they quit. Rest the nazi and islamist fanatics. Their number is limited.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:48 utc | 87

Ukraine my run out of people, but “ukraine“ has a steady influx of mercenaries and vacationeers from nato. So dont count on running out of personel anytime soon.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 2 2023 15:27 utc | 39

Mercenaries go for money. Once they understand that they will not have the use of that money from their graves, they quit. Rest the nazi and islamist fanatics. Their number is limited.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:48 utc | 88

We haven’t seen such a de-arming of Germany since the post WWII period.
It really would serve them right if they got invaded and the Russians rolled straight through Berlin.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 2 2023 15:49 utc | 89

We haven’t seen such a de-arming of Germany since the post WWII period.
It really would serve them right if they got invaded and the Russians rolled straight through Berlin.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 2 2023 15:49 utc | 90

“Russia accuses Kyiv of risking nuclear disaster after Ukrainian drones shot down near Zaporizhzhia power plant”
“Russia has said Ukraine was risking a nuclear disaster after nine Ukrainian drones were shot down by Russian forces near the Zaporizhzhia nuclear station, Europe’s largest atomic power plant.”
So the ME upheaval might be moot any time soon.

Posted by: KingCobra | Nov 2 2023 15:49 utc | 91

“Russia accuses Kyiv of risking nuclear disaster after Ukrainian drones shot down near Zaporizhzhia power plant”
“Russia has said Ukraine was risking a nuclear disaster after nine Ukrainian drones were shot down by Russian forces near the Zaporizhzhia nuclear station, Europe’s largest atomic power plant.”
So the ME upheaval might be moot any time soon.

Posted by: KingCobra | Nov 2 2023 15:49 utc | 92

Imo, they did not. Instead they watched Ukraine use the Russian defense line the way Lemmings use a cliff. Thus almost Zero progress after 4 months of ‘counter-offensive’?
Smells like Betrayal to me.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 2 2023 15:34 utc | 41

I like the lemmings analogy.
It is also necessary not to confuse a “counter-offensive” with a meat grinder. I saw the latter, not the former.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:52 utc | 93

Imo, they did not. Instead they watched Ukraine use the Russian defense line the way Lemmings use a cliff. Thus almost Zero progress after 4 months of ‘counter-offensive’?
Smells like Betrayal to me.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 2 2023 15:34 utc | 41

I like the lemmings analogy.
It is also necessary not to confuse a “counter-offensive” with a meat grinder. I saw the latter, not the former.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 2 2023 15:52 utc | 94

Otherwise you fall for the false hope that is the western propaganda that ukriane isn’t getting enough weapons. They have more than enough to kill everyone.

Unfortunately for the fascists, the number of people willing or able to use those arms effectively is diminishing exponentially. They have already lost, the question is how long before the collapse.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 2 2023 15:52 utc | 95

Otherwise you fall for the false hope that is the western propaganda that ukriane isn’t getting enough weapons. They have more than enough to kill everyone.

Unfortunately for the fascists, the number of people willing or able to use those arms effectively is diminishing exponentially. They have already lost, the question is how long before the collapse.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 2 2023 15:52 utc | 96

And especially don’t do it with no industrial base.
Etc.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2023 15:07 utc | 30
Exactly so. The crazies running the West are totally clueless. Here they are deep in a ground war with Russia and they cannot supply their proxy with a sufficient quantity of artillery shells.
The proxy war will be looooong over before the West can ramp up production of artillery rounds, indeed, if ever.
Their economic expertise consists in mergers and acquisitions in conjunction with sweetheart sole source DOD contracts. Compete with Russia producing actual war fighting material and munitions? Not a chance. They may as well take on the Klingons.
The Russian leadership must often mutter to themselves, “Is this all they’ve got? Who knew it could be this easy?”.

Posted by: Oswald | Nov 2 2023 15:53 utc | 97

And especially don’t do it with no industrial base.
Etc.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 2 2023 15:07 utc | 30
Exactly so. The crazies running the West are totally clueless. Here they are deep in a ground war with Russia and they cannot supply their proxy with a sufficient quantity of artillery shells.
The proxy war will be looooong over before the West can ramp up production of artillery rounds, indeed, if ever.
Their economic expertise consists in mergers and acquisitions in conjunction with sweetheart sole source DOD contracts. Compete with Russia producing actual war fighting material and munitions? Not a chance. They may as well take on the Klingons.
The Russian leadership must often mutter to themselves, “Is this all they’ve got? Who knew it could be this easy?”.

Posted by: Oswald | Nov 2 2023 15:53 utc | 98

I resent Zaluzhny writing “Russian Federation” in small case. Pettiness, or perhaps orders from above.
Still, it does not seem to be fair to me to blame him for not having managed to sway Zelensky. Zelensky had a very personal interest in conducting the war the way it did (maxxing the grifting before the West wakes up), and his PR approach made it necessary that he fights “for the headlines” all the time. Short of putting a bullet in Zelensky’s coke gate I can’t see how he could have won this.
Similarly, I trust Zalushny to know perfectly well that the war is lost, the Russians can go on the offensive at a time of their choosing, and the Ukraine is being slowed chewed away by casualties and ordnance famine. But he can’t say that, can he now?
I think of Zaluzhny as the most likely candidate for the post-cocaine period; the one who, with his personal prestige, can lead what will remain of the Ukraine to accept a humiliating, crippling defeat.
Can’t imagine Arestovich being able to pull the feat.

Posted by: Augusto Pi | Nov 2 2023 15:54 utc | 99

I resent Zaluzhny writing “Russian Federation” in small case. Pettiness, or perhaps orders from above.
Still, it does not seem to be fair to me to blame him for not having managed to sway Zelensky. Zelensky had a very personal interest in conducting the war the way it did (maxxing the grifting before the West wakes up), and his PR approach made it necessary that he fights “for the headlines” all the time. Short of putting a bullet in Zelensky’s coke gate I can’t see how he could have won this.
Similarly, I trust Zalushny to know perfectly well that the war is lost, the Russians can go on the offensive at a time of their choosing, and the Ukraine is being slowed chewed away by casualties and ordnance famine. But he can’t say that, can he now?
I think of Zaluzhny as the most likely candidate for the post-cocaine period; the one who, with his personal prestige, can lead what will remain of the Ukraine to accept a humiliating, crippling defeat.
Can’t imagine Arestovich being able to pull the feat.

Posted by: Augusto Pi | Nov 2 2023 15:54 utc | 100