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November 27, 2023
Ukraine SitRep: High Losses, Political Infighting, Blocked Borders

How many losses did the Ukrainian army have in its war against Russia.

We, so far, did not have any answer to that. The Ukrainian military has given no realistic account of its own losses while its claims of Russian losses are obviously exaggerated.

The Russia military is likewise giving no numbers for its own losses. But its daily reports give estimates of Ukrainian ones. These are currently around 650 per day plus/minus 200 depending on the intensity of the fighting.

Some western observers, foremost retired Colonel Macgregor, say that Ukraine's unrecoverable losses have exceeded 400,000 men. But he does not name his sources.

Now a new chapter in the war between the Ukrainian president Zelenski and the Commander in Chief of the Ukrainian army, General Zaluzny, may have given us an answer. Yesterday this news item found its way to the Strana news site (machine translation):

Zaluzhny didn't provide the plan of war-2024 and has to leave-the people's Deputy from "Servants of the people"

The commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Valery Zaluzhny, does not have a war plan for 2024, and therefore must resign.

This was stated by Deputy head of the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security and Defense, MP from Servant of the People Mariana Bezuglaya on her Facebook page, referring to a "non-public discussion" with the military.

"Yes, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not provide a plan for 2024. Neither big nor small, neither asymmetrical nor symmetrical. The military simply said that they need to take at least 20 thousand citizens a month, " she writes.

Zaluzny has no plans for 2024 because there is nothing he can do about the upcoming defeat of the Ukrainian army.

Every time he urges to stop defending positions that can not be held, like Bakhmut and Avdeevka, the political leadership tells him use all reserves and to keep holding. Every time he urges to build strong defense lines and to retreat to them he gets overruled. There is thereby nothing, except one number, that he can plan for.

That number is the one of the irretrievable losses of the Ukrainian army is experiencing. Zaluzny needs 20,000 new men per month to replace the losses and to keep his army going.

Assuming that the number is an average estimate we can calculate that 20 months of war have cost the Ukraine some 660 losses per day for a total of some 400,000. Irretrievable losses are not only dead (KIA), missed in action (MIA), or soldiers who preferred to become prisoners of war of the Russian army (POWs). They also include the severally wounded people who will be unable to come back onto the battle field.

These numbers seem high but we continue to see more and more reports that point to extremely high losses:

Ivan Katchanovski @I_Katchanovski – 0:35 UTC · Nov 27, 2023

Adviser of Zelenskyy: There is now "terrible shortage" of artillery shells & "huge shortage" of mines and military personnel on frontline. He heard "scary numbers" that average age in some brigades is 54 & that 3 people remain in some companies out of 110 at start of the war. https://youtu.be/MqRNWdqzF7E?si=6EnJEa25zcK-6p-4&t=196

Storming Russian ditches when one's rare troops have an average(!) age of 54 is impossible.

There have been other report which, similar to the one above, speak of the heavy depletion of Ukrainian units:

Kotsyurba and Lysenko’s company began the summer with 120 men. It’s now down to around 20, including replacements. The rest are dead, wounded or have been transferred away from assault duties. The new faces are mostly over 40 years old, some in poor health.

That is no longer an army but a Volkssturm like forces which enlists grandpas and kids to do the fighting.

In response to the threat of firing Zaluzny some activists immediately threatened a coup (machine translation):

A well-known activist close to Western structures, the founder of the StateWatch organization, Alexander Lemenov, threatened Vladimir Zelensky with a military coup.

He wrote about this on Facebook.

"What can we say about this style of communication? I don't have enough words to describe… they'll play out. We will lose more territory. But not all, far from all. And in Kiev, the government will really change, but not to the Russian one, but to the military one.

Zelenski was thus forced to intervene. He had to disavow the comments by the parliamentarian (machine translation):

The President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky disowned the statements of Maryana Bezuglaya , who made accusations against the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny, and condemned her statements.

The corresponding video message was published by the presidential representative in the Verkhovna Rada, Fyodor Venislavsky.

"Mariana Bezuglaya's appointment to the Verkhovna Rada Committee on National Security and Defense may threaten the national security of Ukraine," Venislavsky said.

Meanwhile, Bezuglaya continues to bend her line.

She posted on Facebook a cartoon of a military man who swears that he doesn't know if there is an "offensive plan". She accompanied the picture with the following caption: "When the mines were "discovered" or "go, there are only a couple of p#dors"(c). The military sent them from the brigades now."

Probably, in this way, she wanted to express the idea that the Ukrainian command failed to correctly assess the enemy's forces and the difficulties that the APU will face during the offensive.

Unless the Pentagon and the Biden administration intervene Zelenski will fire Zaluzny within the next few weeks.

British 'experts' continue to push the Ukrainian army into conscripting younger men (machine translation):

The Armed Forces of Ukraine need younger soldiers, because the current average age of the military is too high.

This is stated by Western military experts on the pages of the Financial Times newspaper.

According to experts, this is due to the fact that "the conflict has turned into small infantry battles on foot in trench systems," which require better physical fitness. At the same time, the average age of Ukrainian men fighting at the front and undergoing training in the West is 30-40 years.

Senior Research Fellow, Royal Joint Forces Institute Jack Watlin believes that the Armed Forces of Ukraine this year mobilized "disproportionately many older men," but now they need young people with greater endurance.

At the same time Director of the Polish analytical center Rochan Consulting Konrad Muzyka says that Ukraine cannot wage a war of attrition with the Russian Federation, since the Russian Federation has more equipment and soldiers. Kiev needs more prepared and trained troops.

Earlier the former British Defense Minister Ben Wallace had told Ukraine to draft younger soldiers.

But all these 'experts' ignore the severe problems with Ukraine's population 'pyramid':


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The 20 to 30 year old men they want to draft are simply not there to be recruited in any decisive numbers.

There are also other issues that currently hamper the Ukrainian military. For more than two weeks Polish truckers, who previously had the  dominant role in the European freight business, are blocking the country's borders with Ukraine. Thousands of trucks are stuck on each side with waiting times that are now exceeding two weeks.

That is because the EU gave the non-member Ukraine the privilege of doing business in Europe without having to adhere to its rules. The Ukrainians, with less costs, thus took over the Polish business.

The blockade of the border affects military as well as humanitarian goods. Soon the Ukrainian military will be starving of everything it needs for the war.

It's not only the truckers in Poland who are very nervous about a potential Ukrainian membership in the EU:

Polish farmers on Thursday blocked the Medyka border checkpoint with Ukraine, demanding subsidies on wheat and state-backed loans amid an influx of Ukrainian grain, Polish media reported.

Protesters said they would block trucks from reaching the checkpoint between 9 a.m. and 8 p.m. every day until Sunday, the IAR news agency reported.

The farmers want the government to subsidise the prices of wheat, extend state-backed loans due to the influx of grain from Ukraine, and keep the farm tax rates unchanged, according to news outlets.

On November 6, Polish truck drivers launched a blockade of the Hrebenne, Dorohusk and Korczowa checkpoints, demanding that the European Union reinstate permits for Ukrainian transport companies entering the bloc.

On Thursday, Polish transport companies announced that the protest at the Dorohusk checkpoint would be extended until February 1, Ukraine's Ukrinform news agency reported.

The Polish protests coincide with concerns in Ukraine that the European Union may not agree next month to launch formal accession talks for it to join the 27-member bloc, a key objective for Kyiv, according to the Reuters news agency.

It reported that prolonged protests and the resulting disruption to trade could affect Ukraine's fragile, wartime economy.

The price of motor vehicle gas (LPG), which is widely used to fuel cars, has surged 30 percent due to the protests, according to an industry analyst cited by Reuters.

Should Ukraine enter the European Union Poland will lose most of the agricultural and other development subsidies it is currently receiving from the EU. Those subsidies would then flow into the even less developed, low pay Ukraine. It is thus unlikely that Poland will agree to its membership.

Over the last days Ukraine, on top of the losses and political troubles, saw a record storm in the Black Sea accompanied by a serious drop in temperature. Thousands of households in south Ukraine and Crimea are without electricity. Snow is hindering all movements.

Comments

The Finnish line and army was collapsing and virtually non-existent in the last days of 1944. Soviets did not bother occupying the country because they were hurrying to Berlin.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 28 2023 21:45 utc | 292

Not just Berlin. Also, and even more importantly, Beijin, Shanghai, Seoul and Tokyo. And Stalin knew that was more important — he talked and wrote about the need to pivot to Asia a century ago.
I am watching the current war and gradually reevaluating thoroughly my understanding of what actually happened in WWII, and here is another important aspect of it.
You see how obsessive Russians are about minimizing casualties now.
But in WWII they threw men at the Germans again and again. What was the difference?
The westoids will tell you that Stalin didn’t care about the Soviet people and his generals used meat wave tactics. Not really true, Russians cared very much about minimizing casualties back then too.
Yes, it was different times, and they were coming off famines, purges and all sorts of other catastrophes. Human lives did mean less then than they do now.
But meat wave tactics it very much was not, and it does not explain the losses after the war had been essentially won, which was after mid-1943. There was no doubt about the winner after that, yet the remaining two years of fighting were the bloodiest and caused the most Soviet casualties.
Could they have done it a bit more slowly, reducing casualties, and not attacking in such brutal for themselves ways, as it is done now?
Well, not really, because the vital strategic objective was to get to, or at least as close to the Atlantic as possible before the real enemy — the Anglo-Saxons — blocked the advance.
And then there were China, Korea and Japan.
In 1944-45 they could have indeed occupied Finland, but they shifted enormous forces east for the operation against Japan. In the end that was preempted too by the two nukes dropped by the US.
And then China and Korea were still in play. That is forgotten now because we have the tendency to see historical events as inevitable and not to understand how contemporaries viewed them in real time. In this case China was still in play for several years after 1945 (though once the nukes were dropped, the question of direct military interference faded from the agenda).
Finland was probably an afterthought in all this.
It didn’t end well for the USSR though. Take a look at the situation in the last months of 1945:
— USSR lost 30M people
— A third of the country was destroyed and had to be rebuilt
— It only got Eastern Europe (and in 1945 it hadn’t even firmly taken it, that was still a couple years into the future), the poor and underdeveloped part of Europe, and also the part that was destroyed by the war (France and Italy were largely untouched). Even within Germany, what would become the GDR was the poorer part.
— The US got both Western Europe and Japan, and geostrategically encircled the USSR from both sides (and later also from the south, once Turkey, and for a long time Iran too, became its vassals).
— The US had nukes and the USSR didn’t.
No wonder Stalin was in a foul mood for the rest of his life.
And on top of it all, the traitors that succeeded him eventually gave it all away and the US now has not only Finland and the whole of Eastern Europe, but even Ukraine, the Baltics, soon Armenia too…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 28 2023 23:23 utc | 301

anon2020 | Nov 28 2023 19:11 utc | 276
*** Truss also said that the Americans should be led by a conservative candidate from the Republican Party so that world domination returns to the States.***
Truss like all “leading” UK politicians is totally owned by the US-empire and its Israel-orientated masters. Traitors whose servility to a foreign empire and willingness to sacrifice Britain and its native population to serve that empire is absolutely nauseating.
The UK Political Establishment really do regard themselves — plus the equally disgusting “Royal Family” — as feudal owners with a self-awarded right to dispose of everything and everybody in the country.
The situation was bad enough before Thatcher, most of whose active supporters had fervent loyalty to neoliberal ideology and the USA, rather than to Britain … while at the same time, “Labour” activists under the likes of Kinnock were absurdly keen to mimic US Democrats (as in party). “NATO” is a false-flag lie of convenience which such betrayers can hide behind.
John Smith who was briefly head of the Labour Party (before Blair) nowadays gets whitewashed as if he wasn’t an earlier version of Blair. Yet he was a top element in administration of the Bilderberg Group (basically, NATO’s long-running instruction, promotion and delegation mechanism for non-US politicians, business executives and mass-media influencers). Note that Smith’s widow, now in the House of Lords, is an absolute stinker.
Incidentally, it should also be pointed out that Palme the assassinated Swede also gets whitewashed nowadays — hard to tell why, since (though it tends to never be mentioned) he was chairman of the Bilderberg Group steering committee, and therefore both a US puppet and puppeteer.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 28 2023 23:27 utc | 302

take on old principle
how mene pesentse to take dawn a knight sire?
I bet you can sacrifice the empire sire

Posted by: Macpott | Nov 28 2023 23:31 utc | 303

Anthony Blinken has a lot to say now in how Ukraine may allocate the money it gets from the West, and the thing he can’t have happen is for Ukraine to suffer devastating defeats, combined with humiliating losses of territory, just before the general election of November 2024. If that happened, and the Democrats thus lost the Presidency, and did poorly in House and Senate races, then the MIC would get blamed for that, and Blinken would be one of several prominent warmongers to take the fall for it.
Better for the MIC to have Ukraine bite the bullet over this holiday season, when people aren’t paying attention to news and Washington, or at least during the course of this winter, and pull back to prepared defensible positions. Blinken can’t conjure up shells, tracked vehicles, missiles, and artillery, for Ukraine, but he can fund and aid the preparation of defensive positions for the AFU, ones that they hope will hold back Russia from humiliating the MIC before a deal can be made, or at worst until after next November.
It’s not that America would rid itself of the MIC, but those currently in charge could be forced out into other positions. And they are utterly opposed to that becoming a possibility.
Zelenskyy could be the wild card and limiting factor to all planning though. I get the sense that America is very hesitant to arrange a plan for taking him out, just in case, and his insistence on committing reserves, and troops that should have rotated out, to keep the AFU still wrestling against Russian forces for control of territory on the line of contact, and just past it, makes planning effectively for an orderly pull back quite problematic.
Imo the patience shown by Putin and the Russian military planners must be infuriating to Zelenskyy. He keeps doubling down on his bets that Russia will
overreach and/or act out of impatience, and Russia refuses to oblige his needs.
Seemingly, as long as Ukraine’s military is positioned where Russia’s can grind it down with disproportionate losses, Russia will move slowly so as to minimize risks and casualties. Albeit Russia will alter that successful formula just enough that their actions can’t be predicted with certainty, and their feints are thus sometimes actual full blown, casualty ridden, assaults, and their seeming slow grinding assaults get changed into having been feints.
Russia can control the narrative flow on the front lines, and is doing so to great effect. Had Zelenskyy not been the kind of person to ban works like War and Peace, he’d have a better frame of mind for appreciating what was going on, right in front of him.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-bans-russian-music-and-books/a-62305280#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20law%2C%20works,in%20other%20countries%20they%20may.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 28 2023 23:33 utc | 304

– Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern has a clear opinion about the war between Ukraine and Russia:
McGovern gave his opinion in a video of 1 hour and 22 minutes with “Dialogue works”. The title is “NATO is falling apart”. McGovern also gives his opnion on what’s going on in Israel & Gaza.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrUVu-BXkCE

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 28 2023 23:38 utc | 305

However, regardless, this strategy is superimposed by the question at what point society gives up. A longer open-ended conflict also ensures more and more areas of Ukraine becoming depopulated, under-supplied of living goods and forced to relocate. Which will make it less viable for Nato as a battle ground. As long as Russia protects all its vital production inside Russia, the envisioned type of drone strategy will fail beyond causing random terror attacks on civilians.
On the medium term, Russia is going to need more air defense systems for sure.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 28 2023 22:11 utc | 297

Take a look at Yemen and what technical capabilities they have, despite being a failed state for as long as one can remember and despite the full blown famine and near total economic collapse. This without a long open border to the strongest military block in the world that gives them tens and hundreds of billions of dollars worth of stuff annually.
Fortunately they are reasonable people and not genocidal fanatics. But Banderites are the opposite.
Russia cannot allow this wound to fester.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 28 2023 23:40 utc | 306

Babel-17 | Nov 28 2023 23:33 utc | 303
*** Anthony Blinken has a lot to say now in how Ukraine may allocate the money it gets from the West ***
Has he complained about Zelensky diverting funds to buy himself two luxury yachts?

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 28 2023 23:42 utc | 307

Posted by: anon | Nov 28 2023 20:58 utc | 287
Apart from Ukraine, the real loser will be the EU. They will be left holding the baby. America, bored with the whole affair, will forget about Project Ukraine and move on to Project China.

I agree very much that EU will obtain the tar baby and that USA leadership will set its sights on China. This means ‘activating’ Taiwan — and here I am not convinced it’ll work as smoothly again. When the SMO started, there was feeling (genuine, I think) among Russians that the fraternite with Ukrainians would still be there. It wasn’t, or at least not enough, and Western propaganda since 1990 did a thorough job. Regrettable but past.
I’m very interested to hear from Taiwan citizens about the current state of the anti-PRC (usually spun as “anti-Communist”) propaganda. It’s a huge step from “I don’t like them” to “I’m ready to kill them and die for that cause.” For example, following the Maidan coup, Ukrainian economic ties with Russia were severely cut, to great detriment of Ukraine. This is not so for Taiwan-mainland relations, far from it.
I know you’re skeptical but I hope that Taiwanese learn from the Ukraine debacle how not to do it.

Posted by: Konami | Nov 29 2023 0:23 utc | 308

I’m very interested to hear from Taiwan citizens about the current state of the anti-PRC (usually spun as “anti-Communist”) propaganda. It’s a huge step from “I don’t like them” to “I’m ready to kill them and die for that cause.” For example, following the Maidan coup, Ukrainian economic ties with Russia were severely cut, to great detriment of Ukraine. This is not so for Taiwan-mainland relations, far from it.
I know you’re skeptical but I hope that Taiwanese learn from the Ukraine debacle how not to do it.
Posted by: Konami | Nov 29 2023 0:23 utc | 307
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Myself, I’d like to know how fraud-proof Taiwanese elections are.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 29 2023 0:36 utc | 309

I’m very interested to hear from Taiwan citizens about the current state of the anti-PRC (usually spun as “anti-Communist”) propaganda.
Posted by: Konami | Nov 29 2023 0:23 utc | 307

They are a lot less belicose than the Ukrainians. Really the defenses are not that well built up even, as they should be. It ain’t fortress Switzerland with every male having a rifle and being in reserves.
I think they’d just try to live with the situation and there is already massive trade type interactions between the two (or one, whatever) countries. Of course there would be aspects that suck and would be some ex migration (as happened with Hong Kong). But in general, while they definitely prefer to stay separate, they are not that strong in will to fight.
See some podcasts by Lyle Goldstein (who thinks the US should not protect Taiwan).

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 29 2023 1:02 utc | 310

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 28 2023 23:42 utc | 306
Ha, yeah, there might be that for him to consider, but on the other hand if they can accumulate provable dirt on Zelenskky, that gives them all kinds of leverage.
Ultimately, if they accumulate a lot of such info to leak to the press, it could allow them to do anything to him with not much blowback.
Remember the scene in The Godfather where everyone reacts in dismay to Michael’s plan to take out Sterling Hayden’s character, the police Captain McCluskey, someone too important to move against? Michael explains to them how his being a dirty cop would mean they could have their friends in the press spin the story of how a dirty, drug dealing, cop got what he deserved.
https://youtu.be/CCylDFbZLOI?si=1ZCmKSVKAI1u5DTN

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 29 2023 1:08 utc | 311

Exposé on Zelensky and friends yacht purchases:
https://theislander.eu/
Checking up on Tartar Donbas native Rhinat Akmentov’s status – claims to still be in Ukraine having thrown in his lot with Ukraine’s western backers following the loss of Mariupol. Now with the Avdiivka coke plant ruined the core of his Metinvest metallurgical and mining company is gone and his net worth has tanked. Still owns $200 M USD ‘apartments’ in London and Paris though. Wiki has a fairly long entry for him detailing many allegations of criminality and murder in the 80s and 90s as he became “the richest man in Ukraine” worth $31b in 2008 (but now down to about $3b). Was a prime mover in The Party of Regions and a supporter/enabler of V. Yanukovitch, a proponent of federalization after 2014 and an advocate for peace (and the status quo/business as usual state of affairs). Likely in bed with Azov folks as enforcers in Mariupol to protect his steel business, and no doubt invested in the preparation of the Azovstal plant (and likely Avdiivka coke plant) for eventual conflict with Russia. He has contributed directly to the war effort, both through corporate taxes and more directly by providing material, equipment, food, etc for the UAF.
Both Azovstal steel works and the coke plant were built by the Soviets, the former under Stalin in the 1930s (rebuilt after the war), and the latter in 1963 (greatly expanded in 1980) to provide coke for the steel works. Both were privatized in the 1990s. Hopefully Azovstal will be reincarnated, perhaps initially to process and recycle all the steel scrap from the war. Russia now controls most of the Donets Coal Basin with 90% of Ukraine’s coal reserves. Donbass is the heart of Russia
There are about 14 steel mills in Ukraine, quite a few controlled by Kiev.
Iron ore from the Kryvyi Rog Basin in Dnipropetrosk Oblast west of the Dnipr is still controlled by Ukraine.
https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/75169

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 29 2023 1:13 utc | 312

I guess we don’t yet understand the extent of Gate Keeping.
We don’t yet call out who they are because we don’t see them for who they are.
In my opinion it’s to do with what is known as the Overtone Window – what people are supposed to believe! The Narrative. There will always be outriders, scouts, double agents – bythe Narrative Managers. They who attempt to steer that ‘Window’.
Maybe we should do a bit more reading. Get our imagination going. Get away from this infernal hand held computer.
Some good old fashioned Fiction by great writers. Dickens, Twain, The Russians, the Anti Russians come to that! Many others. A fresh smell of a real boom. A film conjured in each mind. A pace.
Some one like John Le Carre for example, always had a point of view about the Collective West and the Eastern Bloc. I have been waiting to get his posthumously published last book , over Christmas. It’s nice to read a real book. Don’t do enough now days.
I guess what I’m trying to say is, I think there are more than a few who are ‘Unreliable Narrators’ in the blogosphere. Let’s be careful out here.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 29 2023 1:16 utc | 313

An addendum to my previous comment, true stories are always a lot more stranger than want fiction. Here is an Act of God unfolding. 😆
‘ OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
2h
The Tree which President Biden was set to Light on Thursday Night during a Ceremony was Struck earlier tonight by a Large Gust of Wind causing it to Fall; the National Park Service is currently Investigating to determine whether the Tree is still Salvageable.
Nov 28, 2023 · 11:11 PM UTC ‘
Goodnight barflies.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 29 2023 1:29 utc | 314

Quote from old fart
“The Cocaine Comedian of Kiev as Churchill? Naw, more like that Austrian Corporal.
“Bring me Fegelein!” As if that would help.
Posted by: OldFart | Nov 27 2023 12:23 utc | 7”
Hitler was no more war criminal than that toad Churchill. English cowards always use others to fight their war. Hitler should have killed the english army to the last man in Dunkirk. Churchill liar promised Hitler to do only token resistance if Hitler attacked Russia

Posted by: Sam | Nov 29 2023 2:30 utc | 315

A Tale of Two Countries
French tyre maker Michelin said on Tuesday it would be closing three production sites in Germany and transferring its customer service centre to Poland, pointing to a “lack of competitiveness of our German operations for our European and export markets”.
The company will cease operations at its Karlsruhe, Trier and Homburg sites by the end of 2025, affecting 1,532 jobs.
Scholz and Baerbock thought Russia depended on Germany but are learning without Russian gas its industries are not cost competitive. Meanwhile Russia’s economy grows. Foolishly its leader are destroying the German economy. These fools slavishly dance to Biden’s tune even while the US blows up its pipelines and lures its industries to the US.
With negotiations underway for Power of Siberia II, the Chinese will soon have the affordable Russian gas that the Germans could have had. There is a reason Michelin in one week is closing 3 German plants and building even more facilities in China.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/76164

Posted by: Down South | Nov 29 2023 4:40 utc | 316

Down South 315: That’s just how the Germans are:
If they have to live as US slaves, then as the most obedient people imaginable.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2023 8:49 utc | 317

America will do what it always does in these circumstances – Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan. Just move on and pretend it never happened. Or churn out Rambo movies about how they really won after all. This will be coupled with another debacle in Palestine, as Hamas stubbornly refuses to be exterminated and survives, no matter how many civilians the IDF kiddie killers murder.
Apart from Ukraine, the real loser will be the EU. They will be left holding the baby. America, bored with the whole affair, will forget about Project Ukraine and move on to Project China.

Posted by: anon | Nov 28 2023 20:58 utc | 287
The upshot would be that it would expose the USA for the dirty, anti-competitive coward that it is, having started the conflict in Ukraine, dragged its European “allies” into it, and left them hanging. Some of those European nations were even happily trading with Russia until the SMO happened. The way I see it, there will be no justice if the USA gets of scot-free and escapes accountability for leaving such a mess.

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 29 2023 9:29 utc | 318

Replying to: Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 28 2023 20:08 utc | 280
Sunny Runny Burger,
Yes I do every day. I live in a western part of Ukraine and I see men without limbs regularly, and almost daily one ex soldier without a leg begging on the main street.
I am awoken every morning by sirens of a morning ambulance convoy (2 -6) from a railway station which brings those lucky enough to have survived and transferred to the military hospital here. Ambulance sirens are regular backgroiund noise now, in fact I hear one as I type this.

Posted by: Solo | Nov 29 2023 10:53 utc | 319

@ Sam #314
It is easy to allege cowardice. Hitler and Churchill had one thing in common; they both served as infantrymen on the Western front in WW1. Zelensky, on the other hand, has more in common with contemporary Western leaders in that he successfully avoided the draft.

Posted by: Raumati | Nov 29 2023 11:01 utc | 320

Amazingly, there is still some talk about regime change in Russia, in the vein of “as many as 10,000 in Russia are protesting”. That is a mirror image of, and a diversion from, the impending regime change in Kiev. But it also speaks to the point Machiavelli made in The Prince, which also accounts for the seemingly irrestible attraction of what the western “democracies” call less than charitably “autocracies”.
It has to do with the fact that when an enemy state is centralized, it takes a while to beat it militarily, according to Machiavelli, but it is quite easy to rule over it after the autocrat has been deposed. That is the lesson Machiavelli drew from how Alexander the Great beat Darius.
The more it changes, the more it stays the same.
You would not believe how obsessed the media still is with the regime change in Russia in some European countries. And of course, it is easy for the US to sneak in by exaggerating the threat posed by Russia (only to sneak out when the time comes) and the media is quite blatantly part of its project.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 29 2023 11:03 utc | 321

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 28 2023 23:23 utc | 301
I have read fairly recently that the US nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not for the ostensible reason that Truman asserted, “so we don’t lose too many boys in a Japan invasion”, but rather the US was worried that the USSR would beat them to the punch invading the Land of the Rising Sun.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 29 2023 11:17 utc | 322

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 28 2023 23:33 utc | 303
Excellent summary, thanks!

Posted by: canuck | Nov 29 2023 11:19 utc | 323

@ Sam #314
It is easy to allege cowardice. Hitler and Churchill had one thing in common; they both served as infantrymen on the Western front in WW1. Zelensky, on the other hand, has more in common with contemporary Western leaders in that he successfully avoided the draft.
Posted by: Raumati | Nov 29 2023 11:01 utc | 319
Hitler was a corporal infantryman who was gassed at the front in WW1 ; , Churchill was a Lt. Colonel in a rather peaceful part of the front after he had ‘masterminded’ the Dardanelles catastrophe and kicked out of Cabinet. Earlier Churchill, in the late 19th century, was a Lieutenant cavalryman in India.
Not the same thing IMO.
Big difference

Posted by: canuck | Nov 29 2023 11:28 utc | 324

canuck | Nov 29 2023 11:28 utc | 323
Nonetheless Churchill saw combat on the Afghan frontier, the Sudan, and in the Boer War before he was ever on the Western Front.
“The Sikh whose rifle I had borrowed had put eight or ten cartridges on the ground beside me. It was a standing rule to let no ammunition fall into the hands of the tribesmen. The Sikh seemed rather excited, so I handed him the cartridges one after the other to put in his pouch. This was a lucky inspiration. The rest of our party got up and turned to retreat. There was a ragged volley from the rocks; shouts, exclamations, and a scream. I thought for the moment that five or six of our men had lain down again. So they had: two killed and three wounded. One man was shot through the breast and pouring with blood} another lay on his back kicking and twisting. The British officer was spinning round just behind me, his face a mass of blood, his right eye cut out. Yes, it was certainly an adventure. It is a point of honour on the Indian frontier not to leave wounded men behind. Death by inches and hideous mutilation are the invariable measure meted out to all who fall in battle into the hands of the Pathan tribesmen. Back came the Adjutant…”
“I looked round to my left. The Adjutant had been shot. Four of his soldiers were carrying him. He was a heavy man, and they all clutched at him. Out from the edge of the houses rushed half a dozen Pathan swordsmen. The bearers of the poor Adjutant let him fall and fled at their approach. The leading tribesman rushed upon the prostrate figure and slashed it three or four times with his sword. I forgot everything else at this moment except a desire to kill this man. I wore my long cavalry sword well sharpened. After all, I had won the Public School fencing medal. I resolved on personal combat a l’arme blanche.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2023 11:50 utc | 325

Back on topic, this Ukrainian site is interesting on the shenanigans regarding where Ukraine’s replacement rails will come from:
https://english.nv.ua/business/ukrzaliznytsia-s-rail-procurement-and-russian-oligarch-usmanov-nv-investigation-50372103.html
and on the war in general
https://english.nv.ua/opinion/protracted-war-demands-a-new-information-policy-opinion-50372084.html
The situation is challenging. They are slowly pushing us back. There is no encirclement yet, but it is possible at any moment. I hope we can stop them and push them back. But we are not yet one hundred percent sure of this because they are throwing enormous forces, continuing to make these offensives at any cost.
The most important thing is people, not a piece of territory. Even if we lose Avdiivka but save all the people there, we can retake it with smaller forces that will have favorable conditions.
Looks like Ukraine have given up on chucking bodies in, and are giving up on Avdiivka?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2023 12:04 utc | 326

twitter thread on Mobilisation potential by Big Serge
https://twitter.com/witte_sergei/status/1729625794304241919
key points
Israel mobilised 360K out of 9 Million -serious society and economic effects even from a garrison state – Israel can only fight short wars
RU – mobilised 300K from 140 Million odd – “While Israel needs to force a decision rapidly, the context for Russia is entirely different – they’ve adopted a limited mobilization that raises force generation while also allowing for industrial expansion, creating a stable trajectory”
UA – “And then there is Ukraine itself. Lacking an effective and powerful administrative apparatus like the Soviet communist party, it is struggling to efficiently fill mobilization plans. Economically, the state is hemorrhaging and can only function with western support”
State capacity and society has a lot to do with manpower at the front WW II analogues
* US had problems with adequate army manpower in WWII because of competing factors, home factories and Navy demands
* Germany had problems because of poor organisation although their manpower overall grew until 1944 – new divisions vs rebuilding old divisions
* USSR had very efficient mobilisation due to organisation capabilities of the CPSU – stripping the civilian economy and lend lease help also aided this
“In all cases, the mobilization and sustainment of personnel is the result of a complex interplay between bureaucratic efficiency, military calculations, economic prudentia, and the idiosyncrasies of the state. This is a complicated internal deliberation”
“However, states are rarely as weak or as strong as they look. The Ukrainian state is incapable of matching Russian force generation, but it does not yet show signs of genuinely “running out of men.” Armies rarely do – Strategic exhaustion instead tends to be more subtle at first – the cannibalization of strategic assets, deteriorating combat effectiveness due to officer losses, and a creeping sense of strategic paralysis. And behind it all, the state faces ever more difficult trade-offs

Posted by: Aslangeo | Nov 29 2023 12:34 utc | 327

“As Ukraine has moved forward, Russia has fallen backward. It is now weaker politically, militarily, and economically.
Politically, Russia is losing influence in its near abroad. Not only in Ukraine, but in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Russia is also becoming much more dependent on China.
Year by year, Moscow is mortgaging its future to Beijing. Militarily, Russia has lost a substantial part of its conventional forces. Hundreds of aircraft. Thousands of tanks. And more than 300,000 casualties.
Economically, Russia is also under pressure. Oil and gas revenues are dropping. Russian banking assets are under sanctions. Over 1,000 foreign companies have stopped or scaled down their operations in the country. And 1.3 million people left Russia last year.
All of this underlines Putin’s strategic mistake in invading Ukraine.”
Jens Stoltenberg, today

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2023 13:08 utc | 328

I have read fairly recently that the US nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not for the ostensible reason that Truman asserted, “so we don’t lose too many boys in a Japan invasion”, but rather the US was worried that the USSR would beat them to the punch invading the Land of the Rising Sun.
Posted by: canuck | Nov 29 2023 11:17 utc | 321

Yes, indeed — those were primarily the first shots of the Cold War, i.e. sending a “behave, or else” message to the Soviets, but also they did it to force a surrender, otherwise the Soviets would have first taken Hokkaido, and then the north part of Honshu, and then who knows how far they would have gotten. Japan did have a communist underground like in Eastern Europe even though the JCP was banned. After 1945 the JCP was allowed to participate in elections and then the US had to do purges to stop them from taking power.
Japanese society is definitely not amenable to Trotskyite-style communism, but if you think about it, a locally adapted version of Stalinism could easily thrive there with their traditional strongly hierarchical structure. There was also fertile ground for it in terms of the catastrophe the old regime caused, and indeed the JCP got quite a bit of support. The US military occupation is what stopped them.
In the medium term they probably did better under US occupation because of all the technological investment that poured in (although you have to always consider the hypothetical alternative of a large communist block with Japan, Korea and China all on the Soviet side — who would have come out on top technologically with that vast additional human and technological resource? It’s far from certain it would still be the Anglo-Saxons).
But in the long term they may well have been better off surrendering to the Soviets and becoming a socialist country. Could have still kept the emperor as a ceremonial figurehead (famously, Grenada in the short period between its revolution and the US invasion did not remove the Queen as its head of state, so there is precedent for that), and would not have developed all the social and psychological pathologies you see in modern Japanese society. Also, the US would not have capped their development circa 1990 the way it did in the real timeline.
Compare the modern GDR with the former West Germany territories — who has their head screwed on more tightly and who is freer in their thinking and mentality today?

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 29 2023 13:25 utc | 329

“As Ukraine has moved forward, Russia has fallen backward. It is now weaker politically, militarily, and economically.
Politically, Russia is losing influence in its near abroad. Not only in Ukraine, but in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Russia is also becoming much more dependent on China.
Year by year, Moscow is mortgaging its future to Beijing. Militarily, Russia has lost a substantial part of its conventional forces. Hundreds of aircraft. Thousands of tanks. And more than 300,000 casualties.
Economically, Russia is also under pressure. Oil and gas revenues are dropping. Russian banking assets are under sanctions. Over 1,000 foreign companies have stopped or scaled down their operations in the country. And 1.3 million people left Russia last year.
All of this underlines Putin’s strategic mistake in invading Ukraine.”
Jens Stoltenberg, today
Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2023 13:08 utc | 327

So Nato claims:
-Ukraine moving forward (undeniably false, and arguably other way around)
-RU weaker politically, economically, militarily (false on all accounts, maybe neutral on first account and reverse latter two)
-Losing influence in Caucasus and Central Asia (Armenia, somewhat true, Central Asia like Kazakhstan unknown, but no signs of it)
-More dependent on China: does not seem like it, what we are seeing is the routing of commodity and goods trade through China. The goods and commodities still are sold to the west, with a higher mark-up price and utilizing and growing systems alternative to SWIFT
-Russia lost hundreds of aircraft and 300k casualties and thousands of tanks: Figure less than 100 aircraft, including fighter-bombers or helicopters, lost 50k dead and WIA is debatable, maybe 2x that
-Oil and gas revenue perhaps somewhat dropping, not due to lost markets, but because oil demand lowering from a worsening recession in the west (looking at EU, especially). Russia still owns the gas and oil, which is fuel for the civilian market and military i.e. no shortage occurring in Russia.
-1000 foreign companies left Russia: Perhaps, often times they have sold their business for a nominal 1 cent, and there were no strategically important businesses operated by western companies and the businesses have new local or non-western owner-operators
-1.3 million people left: don’t know where they get that number from. Last Autumn some thousands people left through Georgia and Finland, and most of them returned within weeks per their own border statistics. Some thousands also left in the immediate beginning of SMO.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 29 2023 13:45 utc | 330

@shаdοwbanned | Nov 29 2023 13:25

… a locally adapted version of Stalinism could easily thrive there…

I cringe when I see the term “Stalinism”. Why not call a spade a spade? There was no such thing as “Stalinism”. Stalin could be criticized for a few things but when it comes to ideology, he was a pretty consistent Marxist-Leninist. More consistent and well-read than any other member of the CC. By using the term “Stalinism”, you imply he wasn’t M-L. There are, literally, hundreds of communist parties, worldwide, that consider themselves M-L. They, essentially, see Stalin as M-L. In fact, by using the term Stalinism, it conjures up the line taken by Trotsky, whose line wasn’t a “communist style”, but an anti-Soviet, fascist collaborationist style….

Posted by: zeke2u | Nov 29 2023 14:01 utc | 331

unimperator 330: And who wants to be defended by a bunch of notorious lyers ?

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 29 2023 14:27 utc | 332

@YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2023 12:04 utc | 326
Interesting site. Ukrainian business environment seems incredibly complicated and difficult. So Rhinat still keeps his hand in the till even after losing his manufacturing base. Inability to procure rails would seem to complicate logistics for the war considerably – though no doubt there was a stockpile and cannibalization is also an option.

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 29 2023 15:22 utc | 333

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 28 2023 23:23 utc | 301
Don’t forget that the Soviets were pushing the Germans West in the Winter. Climate must have had a significant influence on human losses.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Nov 29 2023 16:06 utc | 334

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 29 2023 11:50 utc | 325
Churchill played polo when he was with the 4th Hussars in India. It was difficult for his American mother, Clementine, as to be a top notch polo player you had to have multiple expensive polo horses-Winston had 5. His father , Lord Randolph, has died penniless in 1895 it was difficult for his mother to supply Winston with the appropriate funds.
Anyways, he was a good polo player and playing one handed he scored the winning goal and won the India regimental trophy in 1898 for his 4th Hussars.
https://winstonchurchill.org/the-life-of-churchill/life/man-of-action/the-cavalry-officer-and-polo/

Posted by: canuck | Nov 30 2023 10:49 utc | 335

“Japanese society is definitely not amenable to Trotskyite-style communism, but if you think about it, a locally adapted version of Stalinism could easily thrive there with their traditional strongly hierarchical structure. There was also fertile ground for it in terms of the catastrophe the old regime caused, and indeed the JCP got quite a bit of support. The US military occupation is what stopped them.”
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 29 2023 13:25 utc | 329
You certainly enlightened me on the topic-thanks for the tutorial.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 30 2023 10:54 utc | 336