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November 29, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-288
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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If you think AI bots are a “conspiracy theory”, please consider that Keir Giles, who is regarded as a respectable Russia expert, was involved in exposing US expert Katie Jones as an AI bot…in 2019! Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 30 2023 11:28 utc | 101 Kissinger died without being tried and convicted of crimes against humanity. How unfortunate. Now the stain of his crimes is indelibly part of America. Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 30 2023 12:02 utc | 102 Arestovich dropping more truth bombs. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 30 2023 12:21 utc | 103 “Kissinger died without being tried and convicted of crimes against humanity. How unfortunate. Now the stain of his crimes is indelibly part of America.” @Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 30 2023 12:02 utc | 102 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 30 2023 12:36 utc | 105 Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 30 2023 10:12 utc | 96 Posted by: Another Thing | Nov 30 2023 12:45 utc | 106 Just a small clarification on 103 Posted by: Newbie | Nov 30 2023 13:09 utc | 107 On the border of The Borderland:
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 30 2023 13:23 utc | 108 Re: Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 30 2023 13:23 utc | 107
If anything should happen to Transnistria in terms of an attack – the Russians have only themselves to blame. Posted by: Julian | Nov 30 2023 13:38 utc | 109 What the heck are they waiting for? Posted by: too scents | Nov 30 2023 13:44 utc | 110 Notice how Russia consistently benefits from the West’s mistakes. They have no need to force an error. Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2023 13:47 utc | 111 Posted by: Julian | Nov 30 2023 13:38 utc | 109 Posted by: Tim | Nov 30 2023 13:50 utc | 112 Vragtes 93: What a big heart our mass media has for mass murderers, if only they murdered on the right side. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 30 2023 13:51 utc | 113 Medvedev, whose drunken rants are not quite coherent. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 30 2023 13:56 utc | 114 If anything should happen to Transnistria in terms of an attack – the Russians have only themselves to blame. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 30 2023 14:06 utc | 115 canuck Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2023 14:30 utc | 116 Re: Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 30 2023 14:06 utc | 115
Re: Tranistria. Check again. You obviously never checked in the first place to make such a statement. Posted by: Julian | Nov 30 2023 14:49 utc | 117 … Last time I checked, Transnistria sits inside of an Article 5 country, and even approaching the border is probably enough provocation to force the others to enter. Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 30 2023 15:14 utc | 118 Posted by: Julian | Nov 30 2023 13:38 utc | 109 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 30 2023 15:30 utc | 119 Lithuania now playing games with the road and border crossing re kaliningrad. They are only letting three trucks trough per hour. Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 30 2023 15:37 utc | 120
The so-called conviction for Ukraine was always superficial. It’s hard to unpack how Europe works, but a large part of their conviction has been rooted in an irrational fear and hatred of Russia, and this has been enabled by decades of polarization, East vs West, us vs them, implemented by US/NATO influence. Posted by: Mike R | Nov 30 2023 15:41 utc | 121 Quite an interesting combination of heli-drone and laser guided S-8L missiles (a bit like APKWS). Can’t seem to find any info on the engine / cost of the civilian version for a price reference.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 30 2023 15:49 utc | 122 Crematoriums ( Nov 29 2023 16:05 utc | 9 ): Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 30 2023 16:05 utc | 123 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM9eLhoCIjo Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 30 2023 16:11 utc | 124 canuck Today the term Nazi is used for anyone with right-wing ideas, or simply as an insult. “If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons.” The home front.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 30 2023 18:20 utc | 128 My bad, I genuinely thought that Moldova was already in NATO. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 30 2023 19:26 utc | 129 Am constitutionally unable to do anything but admire a man with such eloquent wit despite the glorious ruin left in his larger-than-life Imperial wake. Posted by: Newbie | Nov 30 2023 19:28 utc | 130 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 30 2023 13:56 utc | 114 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Nov 30 2023 19:30 utc | 131
Posted by: Down South | Nov 30 2023 19:35 utc | 132
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20656 Posted by: Down South | Nov 30 2023 19:39 utc | 133
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20659 Posted by: Down South | Nov 30 2023 19:41 utc | 134 If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons.” Another quarter of a century before any major loss or shame, and 40 years to go before people really start feeling that they lost it and start shifting finance, etc. Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 30 2023 20:23 utc | 136 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 30 2023 19:26 utc | 129 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 30 2023 20:50 utc | 137 @ canuck, §135: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 30 2023 22:44 utc | 138 A new report for Al Mayadeen from their Ukraine correspondent Dmitri Kovalevich. Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2023 23:10 utc | 139 John Marks@138 Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2023 23:13 utc | 140 Posted by: canuck | Nov 30 2023 19:48 utc | 135 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 30 2023 23:21 utc | 141 While the majority of people in the former Soviet Union may think that the destruction of the Union was a tragedy that led to much human misery, continuing today, Putin has made it clear that he disagrees. Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 30 2023 23:55 utc | 142 The discussion of Churchill’s witticisms reminded me of a short article I read in National Lampoon back in the 70s. An internet search reveals it was called “The Churchill Wit” by Michael O’Donoghue. Some excerpts:
Posted by: Diet of Worms | Dec 1 2023 0:38 utc | 143
Well, I have more arguments: Posted by: Tuk | Dec 1 2023 0:45 utc | 144 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 30 2023 16:11 utc | 124 Posted by: Naive | Dec 1 2023 0:52 utc | 145 Actually, Churchill’s reply to Lady Astor was “If I were your husband, I would drink it.” Posted by: Student of History | Dec 1 2023 1:40 utc | 146 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Dec 1 2023 1:45 utc | 147 Posted by: wagelaborer | Nov 30 2023 23:55 utc | 142 Posted by: Membrum Virile | Dec 1 2023 2:42 utc | 148 Re: Posted by: unimperator | Nov 30 2023 15:30 utc | 119
That’s not true at all. Posted by: Julian | Dec 1 2023 2:43 utc | 149
NATO will do a squirt. They can only observe, in great fear and a ‘concern’. Posted by: whirlX | Dec 1 2023 3:06 utc | 150 Watching two midwit fascists (Canuck and Scorpion) out themselves in real time, knowing B has specifically read and despised their comments, has been nice. Posted by: Brautigan | Dec 1 2023 3:17 utc | 151 @ Brautigan | Dec 1 2023 3:17 utc | 151 who maybe is want to give these folks a quote from bevin that I continue to use…see below Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2023 4:21 utc | 152 Big Serge has written a great article on pre WW1 German military strategic thinkings and linking it to the present Russian SMO. Posted by: Surferket | Dec 1 2023 4:44 utc | 153
She died end of 2022. Sounds more like Russian propaganda. Posted by: Ali | Dec 1 2023 7:42 utc | 154 … It has been a mystery to everyone, since nobody knows precisely how those forces are resupplied and rotated? Posted by: anon2020 | Dec 1 2023 8:50 utc | 155 Msm is finally starting to report what all barfly and anyone with 2 neurons firing knew. NATO is washed up Posted by: Hankster | Dec 1 2023 9:00 utc | 156 @ whirlX | Dec 1 2023 3:06 utc | 150 Posted by: John Kennard | Dec 1 2023 9:03 utc | 157 world bank to ukraine here is 1.2 b Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2023 11:02 utc | 158 @ canuck, §135: Earlier in November, Ukrainian Prime Minister Denis Shmigal said it expected to obtain $1.1 billion from the World Bank. He added that the country also hopes to get €162 million ($177 million) in financial support from the European Investment Bank as part of programs to restore Ukraine, while $190 million and $70 million would be allocated by Norway and Switzerland, respectively. Posted by: Jo | Dec 1 2023 11:06 utc | 160 Watching two midwit fascists (Canuck and Scorpion) out themselves in real time, knowing B has specifically read and despised their comments, has been nice. Brautigan | Dec 1 2023 3:17 said THIS:
Seconded & BRAVO!!
Posted by: LongCovid | Dec 1 2023 11:50 utc | 162 Ukraine Lost Over 125,000 People and 16,000 Weapons Over Six Months of Counteroffensive – Shoigu Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2023 12:33 utc | 163 John Marks@138 Abrams woes.
Posted by: unimperator | Dec 1 2023 12:55 utc | 165 @ Jo, §§158, 160: Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2023 13:07 utc | 166 “Even though fascism is the inevitable end point of socialism and communism, the so-called left. ” by Scorpion MARINKA HAS FALLEN 🇺🇦⚔️🇷🇺 Russian forces have reached the western outskirts of Marinka. After a decade of war, it looks like the city is about to fall to Russian Force. Posted by: chop | Dec 1 2023 14:08 utc | 169 bevin @139: “your assertion that socialism always leads to fascism is repulsively false.” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2023 14:16 utc | 170 West determined to dismember Russia, eliminate its peoples — Security Council’s secretary Posted by: rpst | Dec 1 2023 14:19 utc | 171 bevin @139: “your assertion that socialism always leads to fascism is repulsively false.” Posted by: canuck | Dec 1 2023 14:06 utc | 168 Posted by: knighthawk | Dec 1 2023 15:52 utc | 173 canuck @172: “So I take it that you and bevin are better analysts of government than Plato.” Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2023 17:51 utc | 174 What´s up with NATO´s “exercise” ´Operation Freezing Wind´? Posted by: John Marks | Dec 1 2023 19:50 utc | 175 |
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