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November 19, 2023

Ukraine Open Thread 2023-277

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I wonder if an entire nation could be nominated for the Darwin Awards. It's hard to understand why anyone in Ukraine is still fighting, given the corruption, delusional leadership, military admission that they're going to lose. Just jaw dropping.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 19 2023 14:22 utc | 1

It's so difficult for some people to stop believing their own propaganda.
Have pity on the victims !

Posted by: Engineer-John | Nov 19 2023 14:40 utc | 2

You don't get nominated.
You get there by dying stupidly.
On that count alone the whole of Ukraine qualifies.
Eminently.

Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 19 2023 14:41 utc | 3

The President's Office is not happy with the fact that Ukrainians are increasingly separating themselves from the war and have almost stopped donating to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Bankova understands the fatigue of Ukrainians, but the passivity of society is being transformed into disappointment and a loss of faith in victory on Ukraine’s terms.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/20527
We agree with our colleagues that they are tired of the war and have begun to abstract themselves from it; we have previously given information about this. The military and volunteers are already talking about this.

In Ukraine, there is another split in society between those who support the war (these are Bankova and its “propagandists”), and those who are tired and stop living with war, realizing that this is a path to nowhere (Ukrainians, about 70% of the country, who they are still silent because they are intimidated).

For Bankova, such a split threatens the loss of ratings and ultimately the loss of power. This is why the entire propaganda machine works in two directions:

1. Brand and intimidate those who are tired, disappointed and have stopped donating to the army and will overcome.

2. Convince everyone that the Ukrainian people need the war for survival, and not for Zelensky and his entourage to enrich themselves and extend their time at the trough.


https://t.me/legitimniy/16729

Posted by: Down South | Nov 19 2023 15:02 utc | 4

What we have long warned about has happened. The Russians, four months after the Armed Forces of Ukraine, began to use cassette “toys” in response.

Immediately starting with a large bomb that flies 30 km deep into the LBS (RBK-500, designed to destroy lightly armored and easily vulnerable equipment, manpower, field ammunition depots, railway trains, fortified military installations, military-industrial facilities and communications. Maybe cover a huge area of ​​up to 8 square kilometers with damaging elements.

We said that the use of these weapons by the Ukrainian Armed Forces will give the Russians a trump card in the long term.
But the fools on Bankova did not believe it and tried to use everything at the time of the offensive operation, as if realizing that this was the last chance.

As a Kremlin source explained to us: The Kremlin was waiting for the reaction of Western institutions to this violation by Ukraine, but there was almost no reaction, except for a couple of warnings. Now the Russian Armed Forces can safely cover everything, especially after Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip.

The presence of the APU in landings will be fatal. This is 90% death/injury/disability after the arrival of such a bomb.


https://t.me/legitimniy/16731

Posted by: Down South | Nov 19 2023 15:05 utc | 5

It's hard to understand why anyone in Ukraine is still fighting

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 19 2023 14:22 utc | 1

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Captagon and other modern pharmaceutical wonders.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 19 2023 15:08 utc | 6

“Roads of death” began to appear around Avdeevka. What does this mean:

We have noted many times that Avdeevka, almost from the very beginning, tactically and strategically repeats the Artyomovsk meat grinder, in which the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost about 70 thousand people killed. Events in Avdeevka are developing according to an almost similar scenario: first, artillery around the most critical fortified areas is suppressed, and then logistics begin to be blocked.

At the same time, the depth at which Ukrainian equipment is affected increases, but the pattern does not change: the Ukrainian Armed Forces, just like in Artyomovsk, are losing military equipment and people in attempts to maintain supplies for the Avdeevka garrison.

However, despite the experience of the battles for Mariupol and Artyomovsk, as well as many months of fighting in the Orekhov region, the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces stubbornly clings to problematic positions. It does not give orders for regrouping or retreat.

Meanwhile, the first signs of future big problems, similar to those observed around Artyomovsk before the city's fall, are already appearing.

The Russian Armed Forces are suppressing the activity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine within a radius of at least 25-30 km from Avdeevka in the same way as happened with Ukrainian forces in Chasovoy Yar, Ivanovsky, Kleshcheevka, and Berkhovka before the assault on Artyomovsk.

Additional forces are being deployed near Avdeevka from other directions. Thus, the transfer of elements of the so-called offensive brigade - the 47th Mechanized Infantry Brigade "Magura" has already been recorded.

This formation has already suffered severe losses north of the Avdeevsky section in the Stepovoe-Koksokhim area. Also, elements of the formation were attacked in the rear, in the Ocheretin area.

Units of the 1st Brigade will presumably be redeployed to the same area. The losses of T-64BM Bulat tanks, which equipped the 1st Brigade, were recorded less than 5 km from Avdeevka.

Previously, the 1st separate tank brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was involved in the vanguard of the offensive in the South Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions.

There is a general pattern in the actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces command. Firstly, to try to stop the crisis in the Avdeevka area, they are not using the reserves of the new formation (if they exist) but elements of brigades that previously took part in hostilities in other sectors of the front.

Secondly, these teams are deployed in new areas without a significant break necessary for replenishment, rest, reconnaissance, and establishing interaction in a new location.

The supply of the Avdeevka group already shows the whole range of so-called mosquito logistics. At the final stage of the battle for Artyomovsk, this type of garrison support remained the only one available to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The same thing is happening in Avdeevka.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/74579

Posted by: Down South | Nov 19 2023 15:11 utc | 7

Captagon and other modern pharmaceutical wonders.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 19 2023 15:08 utc | 6

And a gun to your back, just in case…

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 19 2023 15:12 utc | 8

What do barflies think about Selensky's talk about a possible Maidan 3? I believe it's rather the usual propaganda, but is it possible? I don't see any relevant forces that could organise that,and even if there were mass protests, the Ukrainian paramilitary would not care to shed a lot of blood. Could the US "allow" it in case they want to get rid of Zelensky? Or,even more unlikely, could Russia start that?

Posted by: Ernesto | Nov 19 2023 15:24 utc | 9

Posted by: Ernesto | Nov 19 2023 15:24 utc | 9

He is just blabbering away, throwing words around. (Not unlike Netanyahu.)

Whatever happens, it won't be like Maidan, more like a military coup done out in the open & without big crowds standing around for weeks. Mob action, maybe, but who is going to be that mob today?

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 19 2023 15:43 utc | 10

As a Kremlin source explained to us: The Kremlin was waiting for the reaction of Western institutions to this violation by Ukraine, but there was almost no reaction, except for a couple of warnings. Now the Russian Armed Forces can safely cover everything, especially after Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip.

The presence of the APU in landings will be fatal. This is 90% death/injury/disability after the arrival of such a bomb.

..
What "bomb" you meant here? There won't be any of a "bomb" against IDF grounds because there all are Jewish people, why we should pay attention to any of Mr. Nethan-Yahoo sub-the settlers?
Why anyone should do so in 'Israel' : Noone!
So let the GAZA people dying nowadays - A New Israel State will be established!

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 16:21 utc | 11

Posted by: Down South | Nov 19 2023 15:11 utc | 7

Yes and no. The Russians might be faced with the same tactical dilemma, but their solutions template has more options, thanks to the arrival of 2/3rd gen platforms, whose designs benefit from the acquired combat experience of the SMO. The Ukrainians though have to largely follow the same template, which the Russians have already encountered and developed SOP’s to counter.

Posted by: Milites | Nov 19 2023 16:29 utc | 12

Welcome Israel ! or read it as "we'll overcome" ..
@Mossad: all of Your still available good-operating guys today are just operating worldwide on a non-christian thinking approach.
Jewish listen: What Abraham has aid ..?
Mossad, You are the devil together with Your boss, a minder priviledged poor leader of yourself, really today, indeed. Shame You!

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 16:31 utc | 13

I wonder if an entire nation could be nominated for the Darwin Awards. It's hard to understand why anyone in Ukraine is still fighting, given the corruption, delusional leadership, military admission that they're going to lose. Just jaw dropping.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 19 2023 14:22 utc | 1

If you don't, you get a grenade as a birthday gift. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. They are ruled over by a gang of murderous, heavily armed fascists that can kill anyone in the country with absolute impunity and this is doubly true for the average Ukrainian without money or fame.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 19 2023 16:42 utc | 14

Mossad:
You are further going ahead to eliminate all every-found Arab people, ..
but You (Mossad) are just going to the fault direction!
Your direction should not be the Arabian people, like IRAN, IRAQ, Quatar + Saudi-like guys ... Think!
Your (Jewish Zion like= target will then be the USA itself after having missed support on You at an all declaration.
Think about ISR/Mossad - pls. don't laugh about Your GENOCIDE in GAZA.
Tomahawk (Bumm-a rang) will return asap. unexpected - ok? ..

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 16:43 utc | 15

Current headlines - "Ukrainian army says it is advancing at Dnipro river pushing back Russian forces three to eight kilometres..."

The comedian is now relying totally on optics to try and keep weapons and the gravy train flowing. That bridgehead they are determined to hold has become a killing field any military could only dream of. From Ukraine reports it seems the steady stream of infantry/reinforcements being fed into it are only enough keeping up with losses rather than increasing the force at the bridge. Three fire bags if that's the term for them that Ukraine is determined to feed the last Ukrainian in just for the optics.
The Brits may well have a hand in this as Russia is their primary target rather than the middle east or China. Too much MacKinder in the Brits.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 17:01 utc | 16

@DS
"1. Brand and intimidate those who are tired, disappointed and have stopped donating to the army and will overcome."

Sure, sounds good. This is definitely the best way to turn a people into an angry pitch-fork wielding mob descending on Bankova St. Are they just as thick and dim-witted as corrupt in this horrid country??

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 19 2023 17:02 utc | 17

I wonder if an entire nation could be nominated for the Darwin Awards. It's hard to understand why anyone in Ukraine is still fighting, given the corruption, delusional leadership, military admission that they're going to lose. Just jaw dropping.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 19 2023 14:22 utc | 1

Yes, good question. On the one hand, Ukraine has to be the most propaganda saturated country in the world, and for many people there just aren't any alternative sources of info. On the other hand, nearly everyone in the country knows someone or is related to someone who was KIA, or more commonly, went into the army and was never heard from again. You would think that people would talk, connect the dots, and see the obvious. Even if they have to keep their opinions underground in the Ukraine police state, they would form an opposition (probably already happening). I'm waiting for Russia to turn out the lights in Kiev, which would certainly bring the war home as well as cause a mass migration to Europe. Once things really go south, they will collapse very quickly.

Posted by: Mike R | Nov 19 2023 17:04 utc | 18

Mike R | Nov 19 2023 17:04 utc | 18 " On the other hand, nearly everyone in the country knows someone or is related to someone who was KIA, or more commonly, went into the army and was never heard from again."

From some videos coming out of Ukraine on social media, many if not most have no understanding of the numbers that will never return. It is only after many many months of not hearing from Husbands, sons, sibling that they begin to wonder what happened. Many believe the Russian forces a being mowed down in human wave attacks and that Russia will soon collapse (as per a video where an interviewer on the street asked people what they thought of the war).

That is a good part of the reason Z is determined to keep the war going. It is only when peace comes that the average Ukrainian will begin to see the devastating scale of their human losses.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 17:13 utc | 19

Captagon and other modern pharmaceutical wonders.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 19 2023 15:08 utc | 6

And a gun to your back, just in case…

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 19 2023 15:12 utc | 8

There may well be a sizable amount of both just like in the Wehrmacht (well, Pervitin...) but just like in the Wehrmacht you cannot really say that it was what made them fight rather than being an additional stiffener: as far as I can tell they mostly seem to believe in their own cause or at least have so far.

Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 19 2023 17:22 utc | 20

I imagine the chance of a ‘popular’ uprising (third maidan) is about as likely as hitler being overthrown by a popular uprising. I assume the nazguls behind the throne, have thugs controlling elensky, and or his family, and at least a batallion of their best nazguls to control the streets of kiev.
Only these nazguls have the opportunity to overthrow elensky ….probably with a slug behind the ear, blamed on a russian sniper.
Thus ends despots.

Posted by: James j | Nov 19 2023 17:31 utc | 21

Sorry, my 2 posts above (@13,15 at GAZA Genocide) do not fit well here to this forum.
But 1 remark replied to
Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 17:01 utc | 16

.. The Brits may well have a hand in this as Russia is their primary target rather than the middle east or China. Too much MacKinder in the Brits. ..

Think so, too.
Do not underestimate the MIx operations having planned and will following next months during the so-called "winter".
The winter will go smoothly above Zero-degree Celcius limit, no frozen grounds, be sure.
That's what both sides (AFU/RF) actually know about that up-coming "winter", so both sides have planned newly modified OPs either.
Hence means, a total rocket/missile fire by RF against UKR Power Capabilities - will fail due UKR Military having enough reserves to compensate the probable lack of electricity..
But what UKR+US/UK commanders won't expect yet, is a frontal attack by RF.
No one expect this today, but it's the only remaining "answer" against NATO grabbing methods.


Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 17:34 utc | 22

#layout What we have been warning about for a long time has happened. The Russians, four months after the Armed Forces of Ukraine, began to use cassette “toys” in response. Immediately starting with a large bomb that flies 30 km deep into the LBS (RBK-500, designed to destroy lightly armored and easily vulnerable equipment, manpower, field ammunition depots, railway trains, fortified military installations, military-industrial facilities and communications. Maybe cover a huge area of ​​up to 8 square kilometers with destructive elements.

We said that the use of these weapons by the Ukrainian Armed Forces would give the Russians a trump card in the long term.
But the fools on Bankova did not believe it and tried to use everything at the time of the offensive operation, as if realizing that this was the last chance.

As a Kremlin source explained to us: The Kremlin was waiting for the reaction of Western institutions to this violation by Ukraine, but there was almost no reaction, except for a couple of warnings. Now the Russian Armed Forces can safely cover everything up, especially after Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip. The presence of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in landings will be fatal

. This is 90% death/injury/disability after the arrival of such a bomb.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16731

Sayonara Krynky bridgehead?

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2023 17:46 utc | 23


RBK-500, designed to destroy lightly armored and easily

Posted by: Down South | Nov 19 2023 15:05 utc | 5

Are you sure that we can see a cluster bomb in the video? There are many small explosions, but these explosions go along the tree lines. A common cluster bomb is meant to cover an area not a rather small path.

Posted by: Tuk | Nov 19 2023 17:50 utc | 24

I haven't read the resident telegram channel for some months now so went for a scroll through the last week or so of posts.

Resident
⚡️⚡️⚡️#Insider information
Our source in the General Staff said that the entire operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the left bank of the Dnieper was necessary for the Presidential Office for an information campaign, no one will cross the river. It was for this purpose that the commander of the Special Operations Forces was changed to conduct any suicide attacks at the request of the stavka. wants to increase the number of PR attacks on the enemy, no one cares about the victims and the senselessness of such operations .

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 17:53 utc | 25

That should have read - Bankova wants to increase...
I must have replaced Bankova with the the HTML for bold when I copy pasted it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 17:56 utc | 26

Just a small reminder, this is not day 634

It’s the tenth anniversary

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 19 2023 18:26 utc | 27

May remind you on your latest post here:
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 17:53 utc | 25
as you've referred to ?:

.. Our source in the General Staff said that the entire operation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the left bank of the Dnieper was necessary for the Presidential Office for an information campaign, no one will cross the river. ..

So, that it is as is today.
When you having new "leaked" infos about RF is planning a next "Winter Offense" then pls. tell me here ..
Nothing like those Russian-like offensives will occur, til 2024-04-01 !
Then - at the latest - one may see what the RF-Army is really about to "defense" itself Russian people.
Pls. wait until next year '24 April, where the RF-Army then stand.
Where ?`in Cuba ?


Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 18:33 utc | 28

from what I've read, Ukrainian schoolkids are indoctrinated in anti Russia propaganda from a very early age. I'm sure that has some effect. same thing happens in Israel in effect, the target is different but the effect is the same.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2023 18:38 utc | 29

Sayonara Krynky bridgehead?

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2023 17:46 utc | 23

Not quite.

The issue there isn't killing the Ukies that land on the left bank, those already enjoy a very short life expectancy once they make the crossing, it is stopping them from sending more people on a suicide mission. That won't stop as long as the AFU controls the right bank and leadership doesn't care about people's lives. There are no prospects of the latter changing, and Russia isn't recovering Kherson any time soon either, so this will continue for a while.

Krynki and other built up areas are also not quite optimal for RBK-500s because there are a lot of places to hide.

Where RBK-500s should help a lot with making advances is in the open fields between Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk though, should such operations ever commence.

Also, a couple weeks ago the Tornado-S cluster rounds with the guided submunitions were reported to have finally made an appearance too. No idea what took so long -- I was complaining about them not being used for a year if your recall. But that was again a one-off -- they haven't been seen since then.

Maybe today's footage will be a one-off too.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 19 2023 18:40 utc | 30

[ Album ] ⚔️SITREP⚔️ NOVEMBER 19

◾️Noose tightening around Avdeevka (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/30663), Donetsk Republic (DPR, ex-Ukraine) as Russian forces push Kiev army out of fields North of city (left map) - pace of attacks reportedly increasing as Ukrainian artillery's spread thin in attempt to target all sides of Russian advances.

◾️ FAB-500 bombs (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/28757) rain down on Ukrainian army positions in Avdeevka (right vid) as troopers cower in shells of homes, all while over 240 Kiev troopers left dead or wounded in DPR after Russian attacks.

https://t.me/IntelRepublic/30752

Additionally, some reports claim of "breakthrough" on the Stepove front. Regardless whether true, more likely than not RUAF is making some progress squeezing AFU out of the fields north of Avdeevka, further away to be able to support the coke plant or areas south in more than nominal ways.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2023 18:42 utc | 31

Bankovaya, as usual, uses its primitive scheme when it wants to upgrade the topic it needs. This time there is unlimited mobilization, and this time they are using their tame military men, who should simply voice a negative case, which Bankovaya will then accept as a demand of the military, abdicating responsibility.

Mobilization will be intensified. All men from 18/20 years old to women of “required professions” will be attracted.

We insided about this many times, but the “office propagandists” convinced everyone that this would not happen. As usual, they lied to the Ukrainians, driving them into a “hellish reality.”

The Amulet system was introduced now for a reason. This is pumping up digital slavery. Everyone who has not left Ukraine will be captured/sent by Zelensky and his entourage to the front.

Zelensky needs to “save his skin” - he intends to do this, as usual, at the expense of the Ukrainian people.


https://t.me/legitimniy/16735

Posted by: Down South | Nov 19 2023 18:59 utc | 32

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2023 18:42 utc | 31
thanks for a more or less actually well detailed report.
But what you're estimating even on the RF-Army men losses?
There are a lot of them (RF cannon fooder) - even some Storm-OP guys lost last weeks.
So, war is still a war, losing men + women + kids on either side, every day.
Why do not stop? Can you? : NO.
The war is in our Ape's Gene manifested - that's all of it.
..
Think about .. Russia will make its latest "Big Offense" in APR-2024 ..
Be sure.

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 19:06 utc | 33

spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 18:33 utc | 28

Piss off troll.

"our source in..." Jam it it up your xxxx.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 19:07 utc | 34

Mao Ning, Spokesperson of Chinese Foreign Affair Ministry, just announced an Islamic Delegation visit to China, Nov. 20-21. The visitors include:

FM of Saudi Arabia; FM of Egypt; FM of Indonesia; FM of Palestinian State; Secretary General of Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

This is a high profile delegation. China agreeing to play host implies China is ready to get involved in this Israel-Palestine confrontation.

I think Israel's days as The Bully of the Middle East is numbered!!!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 19 2023 19:09 utc | 35

"I wonder if an entire nation could be nominated for the Darwin Awards. It's hard to understand why anyone in Ukraine is still fighting, given the corruption, delusional leadership, military admission that they're going to lose. Just jaw dropping.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 19 2023 14:22 utc | 1"


I believe the Nazis kept fighting for about 1 more year after it was 100% sure they lost the war.

They would keep sending their 15 year olds to die too.

Humans are not much different than sheep, if we are really honest with ourselves.

Posted by: Comandante | Nov 19 2023 19:11 utc | 36

Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 19:07 utc | 34
Dear Peter Mr.X,
be sure, I'm not a troll.
You better should have a closer look to "Your" other suspected trolls.
Thanks for reply .. Your MoA comments seem mostly being valuable,
so far recognized - thanks.

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 19:18 utc | 37

Comandante | Nov 19 2023 19:11 utc | 36

I was surprised in the difference in Ukraine from 2014 to 2022. Eight years of propaganda. I should have been surprised as I have watched those about me change, even here in Australia with eight years of anti Russia anti China propaganda. Prior to that, those I talked to though the US was the biggest threat to world peace. Now they believe we need the US to protect us.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 19:18 utc | 38

The Australians of today are nowhere near the Aussies of say 30 to 50 years ago.
There has been a noticeable softening.
Rather remarkable, in my view.

Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 19 2023 19:29 utc | 39

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 19:18 utc | 38

.. Now they believe we need the US t protect us. ..

Who is "they" and who is "us" believing anyway really to protect who?
So pls. think a while .. but not more than 3 minutes - Do you feel threatend, just now in Australia or where else today ?
Answer is welcomed - not from a troll sent.

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 19:31 utc | 40

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 19:07 utc | 34

You can figure out what (s)he’s trying to say? I gave up long ago…

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 19 2023 19:37 utc | 41

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 19:18 utc | 38

You forgot to mention that in order to get US "protection", Australia will have to pony up close to $400 billions for AUKUS and much more internally. With allies like that, what Australia will end up needs no polls to forecast.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 19 2023 19:42 utc | 42

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 19:07 utc | 34
You can figure out what (s)he’s trying to say? I gave up long ago…
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 19 2023 19:37 utc | 41

@Koykoy (Koykoy means in Asean states like S-Korea): shut mouth),
you cannot "give-up" even "long ago" may have to be clarified here, hopefully not here what some of Your 'melancholics guy' mental performance may be.
So all best, be lucky with this UKRANIA/RUSSIA WAR FORUM.
Bring some new facts here !
Rather than of yours some tears, worth meanings !

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 19:49 utc | 43

The Australians of today are nowhere near the Aussies of say 30 to 50 years ago.
There has been a noticeable softening.
Rather remarkable, in my view.

Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 19 2023 19:29 utc | 39

The Celtic blood has become diluted.

Posted by: dh | Nov 19 2023 19:49 utc | 44

Pls. wait until next year '24 April, where the RF-Army then stand.
Where ?`in Cuba ?


Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 18:33 utc | 28

The French thought the Maginot line was impenetrable.

China is very active in America's backyard and cause for much concern for the Imperialist minded. All things are possible now.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 19 2023 20:03 utc | 45

You forgot to mention that in order to get US "protection", Australia will have to pony up close to $400 billions for AUKUS and much more internally. With allies like that, what Australia will end up needs no polls to forecast.
Posted by: KitaySupporter | Nov 19 2023 19:42 utc | 42

Heap more on top of that. Turns out our current military equipment is no good as it is primarily designed to protect our sea air and land borders. Now apparently we need to be equipped to defend ourselves on China's borders so all that equipment will need to be purchased from the US.

US is a typical American gangster protection racket. A nice country you have there. Would be a pity if...
Plenty of Quislings here eager to assist.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 20:06 utc | 46

The Australians of today are nowhere near the Aussies of say 30 to 50 years ago.
There has been a noticeable softening.
Rather remarkable, in my view.

Posted by: g wiltek | Nov 19 2023 19:29 utc | 39

America has been pretty well tenderized too. Anyone depending on the US for protection will be sorely disappointed. America is not the country it was 50 years ago. Now it can not even wipe its own bottom without help.

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 19 2023 20:09 utc | 47

malenkov | Nov 19 2023 19:37 utc | 41

I don't usually bother to read the crap it spews out only that first reply was addressed to me. That one came through loud and clear. Perhaps just some tinfoil had crazy doomer, perhaps a troll. I don't try to guess what goes through their minds as there is probably no mind anyway. Just an empty space where bowel gasses accumulate.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 20:12 utc | 48

re spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 19:49 utc | 43:

—quod erat demonstrandum.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 19 2023 20:12 utc | 49

Why won't Zelensky retreat from Avdeevka?

He heard there was a big coke plant there....

I'll show myself out.

Posted by: spindz | Nov 19 2023 20:13 utc | 50

US is a typical American gangster protection racket. A nice country you have there. Would be a pity if...

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 20:06 utc | 46

But it's not the only one, just the one that wants to be top Don of all the syndicates.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 19 2023 20:14 utc | 51

The presence of the APU in landings will be fatal. This is 90% death/injury/disability after the arrival of such a bomb.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16731

Posted by: Down South | Nov 19 2023 15:05 utc | 5

Ah, that's why the Russians have been dropping leaflets telling them to surrender in Krynky. That RBK-500 is some weapon.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 19 2023 20:17 utc | 52

Posted by: dh | Nov 19 2023 19:49 utc | 44

The Celtic blood has become diluted. ..

Do not forget:
The Celtic blood has not only diluted physically.
Rather, it has become more diluted due to the Western MSM TV propaganda in recent years, targeting all of our youth, esp. in SE-Asia states S-Korea, Vietnam, Thailand ..
That's a "poor mental" youth growing-up just today, one can them inject any things to "believe",
there won't be any Buddha or Christ fundamentals in their mind/brain.
Brain AI greetings to Microsoft/Google/Musk, but never heard any statements from yours big "Helpers behaviour", regarding UKRANIA or GAZA victims ..
Go ahead you US+China AI Special "Engineers", you'll find only dead bodies spread all over the world .. but not in your's own states.
Cheers!

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 20:22 utc | 53

@spare_truth2
What is your first language? Just curious.

Posted by: Fred777 | Nov 19 2023 20:55 utc | 54

Go ahead you US+China AI Special "Engineers", you'll find only dead bodies spread all over the world .. but not in your's own states.
Cheers!

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 20:22 utc | 53

Lot's of dead bodies in the US, mass shootings, drug addiction, gang violence, 30% without healthcare insurance...just another day in the Land of the Free. Free to keep the markets king of the land and omnipotent.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 19 2023 21:01 utc | 55

Posted by: Fred777 | Nov 19 2023 20:55 utc | 54

@spare_truth2
What is your first language? Just curious.

Thanks for your question.
My 1st. lang is Irish. Believe it til now?

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 21:01 utc | 56

My 1st. lang is Irish. Believe it til now?

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 21:01 utc | 56

Cén chaoi a bhfuil d'éan?

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 19 2023 21:08 utc | 57

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 19 2023 21:08 utc | 57
Question:
You ever stayed in Galway?
Don't think so, Connemara has nothing to do with the current on-going Russian SMO.
Pls. give some new facts here to subject of this forum - that's all, thanks
Agreed?

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 21:18 utc | 58

if spare truth isn't going to put any effort into making his or her posts comprehensible, I'm not going to bother reading them.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 19 2023 21:21 utc | 59

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 21:18 utc | 58

It was a very simple question, any Irishman could have answered in a flash.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 19 2023 21:22 utc | 60

Echo Chamber | Nov 19 2023 20:17 utc | 52

I assume those are the result of the US supplying Ukraine with cluster munitions.

Martynov has a bit on western mercenaries in Ukraine in his latest.
Australian government tabloid has this article up at the moment.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-20/australian-man-killed-in-ukraine-war/103123870
"The Defence Department has also offered support to personnel who previously served with the former Townsville-based soldier who is reported to have been deployed to the Afghanistan war."

Obviously he was currently serving, not previously serving. The tranny army of hunters of goat herders require solace.
The clowns must think they are just heading off to rob a gas station.
Anyone who has studied the Russian military at all wouldn't go anywhere near the wrong end of their firepower.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 21:23 utc | 61

Zelensky fired the deputy head of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Ukraine


Afraid of something?

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 19 2023 21:29 utc | 62

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 19 2023 21:22 utc | 60

It was a very simple question, any Irishman could have answered in a flash.
When requested on answering "in a flash" I'de prefer the truth: I'm an Mossad Jewish agent fighting against IRAN-Nuclear-Power stations. Satisfied?

Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 21:33 utc | 63

Tuk @24: "Are you sure that we can see a cluster bomb in the video? There are many small explosions, but these explosions go along the tree lines. A common cluster bomb is meant to cover an area not a rather small path."

You are seeing the strikes from a great distance with very high telephoto magnification. Depth gets compressed in such imagery. You are basically seeing the strike from the edge. A disc-shaped region looks like a line when seen from the edge.

This is not to say the Russians don't have some amazing, gee-whiz cassette dispensers. Perhaps they do have some that feed the bomblettes out in a well-defined line? That would be pretty efficient at messing up Nazi trenches in the windbreaks/tree lines.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 19 2023 21:47 utc | 64

Military summary:

-Strange AFU attack of 7 AFVs went south toward Novopokrovsk, turned east and headed back north. The vehicles dropped some infantry in the trench north of Novopokrovsk, they lost 2 AFVs and the trench is being bombarded
-RUAF use the RBK-500 cluster bombs in Urozhaine, these are not merely more soft targets, the sub munitions are armor penetrating as well (one holds maybe 1500 sub munitions)
-RUAF bomb Krasnogorovka again
-Some reports claim more AFU troops surrendered south of Avdeevka
-Stepove remains gray zone
-The AFU attack toward Gorlovka (Horlivka) has ended in failure mainly through use of drones and TOS systems, RUAF is clearing the terracon area
-RUAF continues creeping toward Kleschevka and is bombarding the main trenches in the area. Their primary axis of advance is NW of Kleschevka, which could collapse AFU positions in Andryivka

Ukraine consists of two armies: the mobilized army, and the so-called core army (Azov). Azov remains firmly in control of the president, parliament and war efforts and mobilization in Ukraine and they are pushing 16-18 year old boys to mobilization.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 19 2023 22:02 utc | 65

William Gruff | Nov 19 2023 21:47 utc | 64

I watched it full screen. The video I saw may have been a little different perhaps as I did not watch through the one linked here.
First run was straight along the treeline. Second and third run where in front and behind the treeline. The ones in front of and behind could be seen as very definite lines rather than as an area weapon.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 22:03 utc | 66

Nothing funnier that dirty Banderite Biden Nazi pigs dying in the mud for a dirty Zionist comedy act.

Sad worthless loser pigs are being slaughtered and NATO just laugh at the dead twats they armed with odd shit equipment and their Blackrock American wank …

Mock the Zionist Nazi fodder and tell the Ukrainian shit to run to America while the pigs have legs …

#Denazify the dirty Zionist Nazi shit and then do the same with the Israeli filth

Posted by: Timbo | Nov 19 2023 22:12 utc | 67

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 22:03 utc | 66

I saw blocks not lines, or if you prefer, a series of parallel lines of explosions covering a large rectangular-shaped area


Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 19 2023 22:21 utc | 68

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 19 2023 21:22 utc | 60


taking a bit of a wild guess here but judging on her use of english, her native tongue might be one of the Slavic languages.


Hilarious that the dumb bint didnt even have the sense to google what you posted,

Something like "Tá mé go maith"

is what she should have posted in response

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 19 2023 22:26 utc | 69

I believe the Nazis kept fighting for about 1 more year after it was 100% sure they lost the war.

Posted by: Comandante | Nov 19 2023 19:11 utc | 36

The German government had noone to talk peace with once FDR demanded unconditional surrender in Jan 43. The publication of the Morgenthau Plan in Sep 44 did nt help matters.

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Nov 19 2023 22:35 utc | 70

A list of mercenaries, hacked by russian hackers:

telegra (dot) ph/Dannye-inostrannyh-naemnikov-v-sostave-VSU-11-10

Posted by: MilicVukasinovic | Nov 19 2023 22:39 utc | 71

William Gruff | Nov 19 2023 21:47 utc | 64
I watched it full screen. The video I saw may have been a little different perhaps as I did not watch through the one linked here.
First run was straight along the treeline. Second and third run where in front and behind the treeline. The ones in front of and behind could be seen as very definite lines rather than as an area weapon.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 22:03 utc | 66

Maybe some kind of 'line' charge like they use for de-mining, rather than cluster munitions?

Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 19 2023 22:41 utc | 72

I’m just wondering, with Saab recycling old rocket engines and dumb bombs for the Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB).

Giving Boeing the T-7A at budget prices even with Boeings cut. And a future extra light cheap fighter

When will they ask for some meat instead of just bones?

Will the us stop torpedoing sales of the Gripen fighter?

Or will there be a Boeing Griphon? To replace the f-16?

Will they do the same with Korean tanks?

It has often been mentioned that the us military industry is currently too greedy to work well…

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 19 2023 22:54 utc | 73

JohninMK | Nov 19 2023 22:41 utc | 72

Distinctly separate explosions in a line. I was scrolling through some stuff earlier and run onto the video and now I cannot remember where I found it. Have just spent a bit of time looking back through one twitter account but didn't find it there. I wanted to double check it myself as I seem to be the odd one out here.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 22:56 utc | 74


Re: Posted by: Down South | Nov 19 2023 15:05 utc | 5

As a Kremlin source explained to us: The Kremlin was waiting for the reaction of Western institutions to this violation by Ukraine, but there was almost no reaction, except for a couple of warnings. Now the Russian Armed Forces can safely cover everything, especially after Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip.

The presence of the APU in landings will be fatal. This is 90% death/injury/disability after the arrival of such a bomb.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16731

Why would the Russians await a Western action to determine whether to do something or not?!?

That is an incredibly reactive way to approach a conflict and makes one’s actions far more predictable.

Posted by: Julian | Nov 19 2023 23:00 utc | 75

Found the video I watched. possibly the same as linked earlier in this thread
https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1726194139727831042

A number of different shots. The is several very good shots of the cluster munitions running up along the tree line. Not a perfect single file line, rather long strips.
There is one good shot of a set in front of a tree line and that shows a slightly zigzag but long line. In some shots are more in the far distance that look more like area spreads rather than lines.

This makes me wonder if dispersal pattern can be dialed in or somehow set for the intended target. That treeline shot was very impressive. Not sure I would like to be a mercenary on safari for goat herders and sitting in that treeline.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 23:14 utc | 76

@Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 23:14 utc | 76

Re the RBK500 bomb. The sub-munitions are IR guided. Hence the different dispersal patterns.
The warhead can contain anti personell bombletts or 15 IR guided Armor piercing bomblets slowed down by parachutes. With 100 M range, and Good for up to 150 mm armor. IMO its possible the dispersal pattern can be altered by programing also. For trenches or armored columns, ECT. The bomb was just recently upgraded a month or so ago. So the newer vids would likely be the new Motiv-3M ammo
Very nasty weapon!

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 19 2023 23:41 utc | 77

Typo on Post 77 ment RBC 500.
Also they adn be dropped by aircraft, or Smerch and Tornado-S MLRS.
Amazing. America is still sailing around in 45 year old Aircraft carriers and takes 15 years to build a new one.
Yet Russia can design, build, and field powerful weapons in under a year.

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 19 2023 23:51 utc | 78

Cén chaoi a bhfuil d'éan?

So you`re from Cape Breton..:P

Posted by: Woodenhue | Nov 20 2023 0:01 utc | 79

Golddigger | Nov 19 2023 23:41 utc | 77

have seen an animation some time ago of how the ir anti armor bomblets work though bomblets is perhaps the wrong term. They twirl as they come down on the parachute, very narrow beam IR and when it detects a target it instantly fires a molten copper slug.

What you say about the various munitions and so forth certainly fits what is seen in the videos.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 0:02 utc | 80

@Downsouth 5
Quote "As a Kremlin source explained to us: The Kremlin was waiting for the reaction of Western institutions to this violation by Ukraine, but there was almost no reaction, except for a couple of warnings. Now the Russian Armed Forces can safely cover everything"
So even after 2 years of anglos war on Russia through Ukraine route and destruction of a new kerch bridge and the flagship of the black sea, coward kremlin still feels that it needs permission from the anglo enemies? This pathetic attitude of Putin, lavrov and pasko is responsible for increasing destruction of Russian influence in the world. Cowards do not deserve to be at high table.

Posted by: Sam | Nov 20 2023 0:18 utc | 81

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 19 2023 14:22 utc | 1
XXX
Ignorance in your statement.
You also have to remember there are also Ukranians fighting along side with the Russians. 5k, 10k or more?? Most Ukrainians from the 4 South SE regions side with the Russians.. Also very debatable question.. how much of the ukrainian force is made up of "outside" personnel. 10, 20, 30%??

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Nov 20 2023 0:22 utc | 82

heavymetal101 | Nov 20 2023 0:22 utc | 81

No ignorance on the part of Eighthman. Ukrainians fighting for Russia are minimal. 404 prior to 2014 was comprised of Russians, Ukrainians, Galicians, Hungarians and Romanians plus a few remaining Tatars. A bit of a Frankenstein the Soviets put together with bits and pieces.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 0:51 utc | 83

@ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 0:02 utc | 80

You might want to review the US program SADARM. Nothing is new under the sun. Just new to you, maybe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SADARM

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Nov 20 2023 1:04 utc | 84

Some videos for today.

Russian forces beat off more enemy attacks near Kupyansk:
https://rutube.ru/video/994fe6df3430f2d9bb84d4f9796c1eb7/

Russian snipers take out enemy troops near the DPR’s Artemovsk:
https://rutube.ru/video/729f96d211d2355de6b23abbeb79971d/

Russian drones strike enemy troops, armor, and positions near Belogorovka:
https://rutube.ru/video/897cfe2ae7b34ce4c213274db719a4b8/

Russian drone strikes enemy troop:
https://rutube.ru/video/0a393cf61a8ca1786cebcbdd34d2efda/

Posted by: Nate | Nov 20 2023 1:32 utc | 85

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 0:51 utc | 82

So what your saying the ukrainian "freedom" fighters from Donetsk, Luhansk etc. are minimal and play a very little part in this SMO?? How about the people in these areas.. all pro Ukrainians???

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Nov 20 2023 1:34 utc | 86

heavymetal101 | Nov 20 2023 1:34 utc | 85

They are Russian.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 1:40 utc | 87

Hilarious that the dumb bint didnt even have the sense to google what you posted,

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 19 2023 22:26 utc | 69

Not part of his Mossad training maybe.

...

So you`re from Cape Breton..:P

Posted by: Woodenhue | Nov 20 2023 0:01 utc | 79

heh, few would know why you ask.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 20 2023 1:41 utc | 88


Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 1:40 utc | 86

I'm a slav know the history very well in that area... I know .they are not all Russians.

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Nov 20 2023 1:45 utc | 89

Free drinks at the bar, folks!

This is to celebrate the coming end of Zelensky! Its an absolute certainty. I'm so certain, I'll buy youz lot a drink!

CHEERS!

Posted by: HERMIUS | Nov 20 2023 1:49 utc | 90

bubbles | Nov 20 2023 1:41 utc | 87

I see the place has a major Celtic music festival. Place must have an interesting history.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 1:54 utc | 91

heavymetal101 | Nov 20 2023 1:45 utc | 88

What are they then?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 2:03 utc | 92

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 2:03 utc | 91

Late 1800-1930 Many "Northern Ukrainians" (a diaspora of sorts) were sent down to work in the coalmines of the Donbass and other regions. These people settle in among the Russian speaking people of those area. There they intermixed creating Ukrainian/Russian dialect languages and subcultures (There are name for these dialects each unique to the area they reside.) Too this days many of these subcultures are viewed as a lesser class by the Ukrainians of the north. Yet these people still view "Ukrainian" as there main heritage. And Orthodoxy religion still plays a big part of their lives, A religion being shunned by the North.

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Nov 20 2023 2:29 utc | 93

heavymetal101 | Nov 20 2023 2:29 utc | 92

That is interesting. One thing though is the term Russian speakers. Prior to the creation of the Ukraine SSR, they were Russian. What you say rings true enough though.
I need to dig up the pre 2014 language maps of Ukraine again but from memory, Russian was the prdominant dialect of the two Donbass regions. A somewhat lower in Zaporizhzhia and Kherson. From videoes I've seen, many ethnic Russians did consider themselves Ukrainian.

But still the Donbass regions held referendums back in 2014/2015 to declare independence from Ukraine. I haven't heard of any numbers from Zaporizhzhia or Kherson volunteering to fight though.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 20 2023 2:50 utc | 94

My 1st. lang is Irish. Believe it til now?
Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 19 2023 21:01 utc | 56

____

You’ve previously claimed to be Greek and Chinese.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 20 2023 2:59 utc | 95

Posted by: Julian | Nov 19 2023 23:00 utc | 75

It is, but this war is also beeing played on the pr front, and russia has to show to the majority of the world (not the west), that they are the adult in the room.

They played by the rules, warned the west not to do the bullshit the west always does, and now that the west has shown that it:
*a: sends banned cluster munitions
*b: looks the other way
*c: ignores the genocide by israel
Now russia can wash their hands and return all those favours in kind, and keep the moral high ground.

Remember, for a narcissist, the worst that can happen is to lose face.

The only problem now is that the west will keep escalating further, as there is no reverse gear with all those investments in “ukraine“ and against the russian federation.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 20 2023 3:39 utc | 96

Overview report on the northern flank of the Avdeevsky direction.

While success on the southern flank is widely discussed, the breakthrough of the enemy’s main line of defense in the north, which is already an established reality, remains in the shadows - and this is wrong, the success of the boys in the north must be noted. Let's fix it.

In the north, the main difficulty was the waste heap.
From the top of the waste heap, the crest saw our assault units several kilometers before deployment into battle formations.
Many FPV drones, Baba Yaga hexacopters, and cluster munitions were used.
In difficult and special conditions, and we have no others, rarely everything goes perfectly and without errors, and yet, thanks to the courage of the assault units, in close cooperation with reconnaissance and artillerymen, we managed to break through the first line of defense, take control of the waste heap, and go to the railway from the west and north-west of Krasnogorovka, clear the so-called gardens, the forest belt north of the gardens, knock out the enemy from the planting south of Novokalinovo, and also come close to AKHZ and begin to pull apart the enemy on the eastern outskirts of the plant territory.
Our aviation plays a huge role, the Aerospace Forces inflict such damage on the enemy with bomb strikes that it is difficult to even estimate, AA daily nightmares the Ukrainians with missile attacks.
The UAV crews take out the enemy's long-range artillery with Lancets, the attack on Avdievka is another page in the track record of this drone.

While individual subjects continue to talk about the fact that we are stuck near Avdeevka, have exhausted our potential, and so on, our tigers are moving forward and demolishing the enemy from long-standing positions, the enemy has a numerical superiority, sending his own infantry in battalions to patch up holes.
The crest, with multiple forces, was unable to take the Rabotino area. Remember this when they tell you about the military genius of Zaluzhny.

- Colonel Cassad

Posted by: MiniMo | Nov 20 2023 4:47 utc | 97

⚡️🇷🇺🇺🇦⚔️ War Map and the Situation on the Fronts for the Evening of 19 November 2023; pub. 00:05⚡️

🎬 Footage of the use of RBC-500 cluster bombs on AFU positions has appeared online. Such a projectile contains up to 600 submunitions with an incendiary mixture, capable of turning any enemy position into an inferno. The Russian army uses such weapons only in situations with no risk to civilian objects. Very dangerous and rare bombs, but the main problem of their use is the enemy's antimissile and air defence, suppression of which will allow our aviation to quietly work on enemy positions using EWs and UMPCs, as well as various types of FABs.

⚔️ Situation on the Fronts over the past Day

🔹#Bakhmut (#Artyomovsk) Direction:

▪️ The Russian army attacked in the direction of #Bogdanovka. In addition, our fighters are advancing in #Kleshcheyevka, and there are battles for the heights.

🔹#Donetsk Direction:

▪️ In the #Avdeyevka section there are battles near #Steponoye and the Coke Plant. To the south of #Avdeyevka, the Russian army is gradually advancing in the area of the industrial zone.

🔹#Zaporozhye Direction:

▪️ In the #Orekhov section the AFU attacked in the area of #Kopani, #Novoprokopovka and #Verbovoye. Meanwhile, our fighters advanced from the direction of #Novofyodorovka, regaining part of their positions near the motorway.
▪️ On the #Vremyevka ledge, the Russian army counterattacked near #Staromayorskoye and #Urozhaynoye.

⚡️ Overnight, Russian "Geraniums" visited military and infrastructure sites of 404 in and around #Kiev. Explosions were recorded near Belaya Tserkva and the #Kiev Reservoir.


https://t.me/sitreports/18288

Posted by: Down South | Nov 20 2023 5:13 utc | 98

Our source reports that in the case of “Zaluzhny’s leak”, Bankovaya did not come up with anything smarter than to disperse the thesis about a single decision-making center and the unity of the army. They say Zaluzhny is the saboteur of ZeErmak’s bet decisions.

Our insights themselves were indirectly confirmed.

But the speakers and political strategists of the Office of the President forget to voice the second part of the case, why Zaluzhny and his generals sabotaged the decisions of the headquarters. And that’s exactly the point.

1. The Commander-in-Chief, as a military man, refused to be a “sycophant” for the sake of his own career and in every possible way hindered Ze’s strategy for military operations for the sake of situational political goals. But at the same time, he never publicly entered into a fight with the “Ze-Woodpeckers”.

2. The Commander-in-Chief constantly spoke out against the chosen military tactics of the OP, which gave a situational advantage, but at a distance created a disaster.

3. The Commander-in-Chief always advocated the preservation of personnel, since he understood that the tactics of the OP would lead to a personnel disaster, when most of the experienced fighters would be put into meat grinders, and new ones would not have time to be trained during this time, which would weaken the quality of the army and lower morale.

4. The army loves Zaluzhny. They are simply afraid of Zelensky, because they will immediately fire you, brand you, and the tame SBU will imprison you. Ze love the rear rats that sit at the feeder.

5. Western generals speak to Zaluzhny, considering him an equal, supporting him behind the scenes (that’s why Zaluzhny hasn’t been removed yet). Western military leaders consider ZeErmak to be temporary workers and crooks.

6. If Zelensky receives a complete monopoly and no one can even comment on his situational decisions, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine can be given up. Within a year, the office will destroy the remnants of the army in stupid frontal offensives, which will bring the time of Ukraine’s complete surrender closer.


https://t.me/legitimniy/16737

Posted by: Down South | Nov 20 2023 6:31 utc | 99

If Zelensky can’t fire Zaluzhny they’re going to try their best to isolate him. Zaluzhny is going to have to launch a coup soon or be destroyed.

Our source in the OP said that the Office of the President continues to dismiss Zaluzhny’s people in order to weaken the influence of the Commander-in-Chief on the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Yesterday's resignation of Major General of the Medical Service Tatyana Ostashchenko. Bankova chose, as always, a noble pretext - a fundamentally new level of medical support for our soldiers.


https://t.me/rezident_ua/20537

Posted by: Down South | Nov 20 2023 6:58 utc | 100

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