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November 16, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-273
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:17 utc | 1
Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:17 utc | 2
https://t.me/sitreports/18057 Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:22 utc | 3
https://t.me/sitreports/18057 Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:22 utc | 4 Saw this information elsewhere, is there any analysis on type of artillery ratio? Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 5 Saw this information elsewhere, is there any analysis on type of artillery ratio? Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 6 @ Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:22 utc | 2 Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 7 @ Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:22 utc | 2 Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 8
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20506 Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:52 utc | 9
https://t.me/rezident_ua/20506 Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:52 utc | 10 #5 Posted by: scepticalSOB | Nov 16 2023 12:01 utc | 11 #5 Posted by: scepticalSOB | Nov 16 2023 12:01 utc | 12 Bhadrakumar has a new post about Ukraine up today:
Don’t plan yet for Ukraine reconstruction Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 12:08 utc | 13 Bhadrakumar has a new post about Ukraine up today:
Don’t plan yet for Ukraine reconstruction Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 12:08 utc | 14 I have long been fascinated by the great and ancient ethnic divide of the Caucasoid world between its northwestern Indo-European or Aryan and its southern Semitic regions–the Pacific Rim’s “Ring of Fire” has nothing on that divide–and it strikes me that much recent and present European turmoil maps to its less ancient but little less lively western Teutonic and Eastern Slavic divide. Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 12:09 utc | 15 I have long been fascinated by the great and ancient ethnic divide of the Caucasoid world between its northwestern Indo-European or Aryan and its southern Semitic regions–the Pacific Rim’s “Ring of Fire” has nothing on that divide–and it strikes me that much recent and present European turmoil maps to its less ancient but little less lively western Teutonic and Eastern Slavic divide. Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 12:09 utc | 16 Quoted by Down South @2: “67 percent of German companies have moved some operations abroad, and every third industrial company plans to relocate high-quality areas such as production and preassembly.” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2023 12:19 utc | 17 Quoted by Down South @2: “67 percent of German companies have moved some operations abroad, and every third industrial company plans to relocate high-quality areas such as production and preassembly.” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2023 12:19 utc | 18 >break in the winning trend for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The loss of Avdiivka for Zelensky is a death sentence. >break in the winning trend for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The loss of Avdiivka for Zelensky is a death sentence. Re: Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 14 2023 23:38 utc | 150
Russian State Media! Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 21 Re: Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 14 2023 23:38 utc | 150
Russian State Media! Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 22 Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2023 12:19 utc | 9 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 12:52 utc | 23 Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2023 12:19 utc | 9 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 12:52 utc | 24 Reports from Slavyangrad claim RUAF has made significant gain in the eastern Kupyansk flank, managing to physically cut the road running between Kupyansk-Ivanovka and Kyslivka.
General update:
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:56 utc | 25 Reports from Slavyangrad claim RUAF has made significant gain in the eastern Kupyansk flank, managing to physically cut the road running between Kupyansk-Ivanovka and Kyslivka.
General update:
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:56 utc | 26 Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 11 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 12:57 utc | 27 Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 11 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 12:57 utc | 28 Reports claim RUAF has made significant gain in the eastern Kupyansk flank, managing to physically cut the road running between Kupyansk-Ivanovka and Kyslivka.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:57 utc | 29 Reports claim RUAF has made significant gain in the eastern Kupyansk flank, managing to physically cut the road running between Kupyansk-Ivanovka and Kyslivka.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:57 utc | 30
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:58 utc | 31
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:58 utc | 32 “The resurgence of Nazism in Europe and the genocide of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine will be stopped.” Russian Deputy Defense Minister. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 16 2023 13:02 utc | 33 “The resurgence of Nazism in Europe and the genocide of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine will be stopped.” Russian Deputy Defense Minister. Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 16 2023 13:02 utc | 34 https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/napoleon-enters-moscow Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 13:18 utc | 35 https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/napoleon-enters-moscow Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 13:18 utc | 36 What “winning streak” after Artemovsk? Are the people writing this shit totally divested from reality? Posted by: rk | Nov 16 2023 13:20 utc | 37 What “winning streak” after Artemovsk? Are the people writing this shit totally divested from reality? Posted by: rk | Nov 16 2023 13:20 utc | 38 @ John Kennard, §8: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 13:27 utc | 39 @ John Kennard, §8: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 13:27 utc | 40 Hoping that Russia closes the cauldron around Avdeevka quickly. Once supply roads are completely cut, maybe we will see a mass surrender like at Mariupol… The weather channel forecast is for below freezing lows the rest of this month, maybe that will help encourage Ukrainians to surrender Posted by: ctiger | Nov 16 2023 13:33 utc | 41 Hoping that Russia closes the cauldron around Avdeevka quickly. Once supply roads are completely cut, maybe we will see a mass surrender like at Mariupol… The weather channel forecast is for below freezing lows the rest of this month, maybe that will help encourage Ukrainians to surrender Posted by: ctiger | Nov 16 2023 13:33 utc | 42
For those calling people advocating for decisive measures (i.e. rolling out the nukes and physically cutting Ukraine off the West) lunatics, it is time for a bit of a reflection on what has happened in the last nearly two years. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 14:27 utc | 43
For those calling people advocating for decisive measures (i.e. rolling out the nukes and physically cutting Ukraine off the West) lunatics, it is time for a bit of a reflection on what has happened in the last nearly two years. Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 14:27 utc | 44 Big serge has an interesting article on the , a long read but worth it https://bigserge.substack.com/ Posted by: ctiger | Nov 16 2023 14:44 utc | 45 Big serge has an interesting article on the , a long read but worth it https://bigserge.substack.com/ Posted by: ctiger | Nov 16 2023 14:44 utc | 46 @ shadowbanned, §21: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 14:51 utc | 47 @ shadowbanned, §21: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 14:51 utc | 48 @21 Posted by: Macpott | Nov 16 2023 15:09 utc | 49 @21 Posted by: Macpott | Nov 16 2023 15:09 utc | 50 @ John Marks | Nov 16 2023 14:51 utc | 23 Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 15:46 utc | 51 @ John Marks | Nov 16 2023 14:51 utc | 23 Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 15:46 utc | 52 What exactly is again the argument for not wiping out Poland and Romania (you can add Finland, Denmark and the Netherlands for good measure as particularly distinguished rabid Russophobes) Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 16:22 utc | 53 What exactly is again the argument for not wiping out Poland and Romania (you can add Finland, Denmark and the Netherlands for good measure as particularly distinguished rabid Russophobes) Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 16:22 utc | 54
Are you really that dense to not understand that the US is not going to sacrifice DC, NYC, LA and the Bay Area just to retaliate for Poland? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 55
Are you really that dense to not understand that the US is not going to sacrifice DC, NYC, LA and the Bay Area just to retaliate for Poland? Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 56 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 28 Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 17:03 utc | 57 Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 28 Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 17:03 utc | 58 Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 3
why don’t YOU provide a analysis ? Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 16 2023 17:32 utc | 59 Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 3
why don’t YOU provide a analysis ? Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 16 2023 17:32 utc | 60 Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 17:03 utc | 29 Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 16 2023 17:34 utc | 61 Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 17:03 utc | 29 Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 16 2023 17:34 utc | 62 Ukrainian militants are females. Ukraine is running out of men and sending unprepared women to serve as cannon fodder in the frontlines.https://web.telegram.org/k/stream/%7B%22dcId%22%3A4%2C%22location%22%3A%7B%22_%22%3A%22inputDocumentFileLocation%22%2C%22id%22%3A%225958511836021134018%22%2C%22access_hash%22%3A%22-9151774437982603652%22%2C%22file_reference%22%3A%5B2%2C104%2C123%2C226%2C18%2C0%2C3%2C174%2C232%2C101%2C86%2C71%2C75%2C28%2C151%2C108%2C184%2C217%2C141%2C171%2C84%2C65%2C243%2C153%2C180%2C68%2C130%2C132%2C222%5D%7D%2C%22size%22%3A9283573%2C%22mimeType%22%3A%22video%2Fmp4%22%7D Posted by: Bill | Nov 16 2023 17:56 utc | 63 Ukrainian militants are females. Ukraine is running out of men and sending unprepared women to serve as cannon fodder in the frontlines.https://web.telegram.org/k/stream/%7B%22dcId%22%3A4%2C%22location%22%3A%7B%22_%22%3A%22inputDocumentFileLocation%22%2C%22id%22%3A%225958511836021134018%22%2C%22access_hash%22%3A%22-9151774437982603652%22%2C%22file_reference%22%3A%5B2%2C104%2C123%2C226%2C18%2C0%2C3%2C174%2C232%2C101%2C86%2C71%2C75%2C28%2C151%2C108%2C184%2C217%2C141%2C171%2C84%2C65%2C243%2C153%2C180%2C68%2C130%2C132%2C222%5D%7D%2C%22size%22%3A9283573%2C%22mimeType%22%3A%22video%2Fmp4%22%7D Posted by: Bill | Nov 16 2023 17:56 utc | 64 Big serge has an interesting article on the , a long read but worth it https://bigserge.substack.com/ Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 17:56 utc | 65 Big serge has an interesting article on the , a long read but worth it https://bigserge.substack.com/ Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 17:56 utc | 66 You have half a million dead and no end in sight. But you have the tools to stop it. Use them. Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 18:19 utc | 67 You have half a million dead and no end in sight. But you have the tools to stop it. Use them. Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 18:19 utc | 68 why don’t YOU provide a analysis ? Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 18:23 utc | 69 why don’t YOU provide a analysis ? Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 18:23 utc | 70 @ John Kennard, §26: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 18:31 utc | 71 @ John Kennard, §26: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 18:31 utc | 72 The money paragraph from Big Serge’s blog post:
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-reckoning Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 16 2023 18:46 utc | 73 The money paragraph from Big Serge’s blog post:
https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-reckoning Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 16 2023 18:46 utc | 74 @ Night Tripper, §31: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 18:48 utc | 75 @ Night Tripper, §31: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 18:48 utc | 76 ref Big Serge current: Posted by: MAKK | Nov 16 2023 19:00 utc | 77 ref Big Serge current: Posted by: MAKK | Nov 16 2023 19:00 utc | 78 Apologies if this link to Indian Ounchline, has been posted before. Posted by: bevin | Nov 16 2023 19:13 utc | 79 Apologies if this link to Indian Ounchline, has been posted before. Posted by: bevin | Nov 16 2023 19:13 utc | 80 Islam largely destroyed the Persian religion of Zoroaster but failed against Hinduism and Buddha. Islam largely destroyed the Persian religion of Zoroaster but failed against Hinduism and Buddha. Here, I want to show you what losers the Russian leadership are and why no one takes them seriously. They are still talking about de-dollarizing, threatening to do it, many years after they said they were going to and decades after they should have already completed it if they had any sense. Occasionally I see a Russian article that they’ve de-dollarized, then another one saying they’re going to, yada yada yada. This type of spineless decision-making is why everyone here is rightfully afraid that Russia will cut some pathetic self-defeating deal on Ukraine. Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 16 2023 19:23 utc | 83 Here, I want to show you what losers the Russian leadership are and why no one takes them seriously. They are still talking about de-dollarizing, threatening to do it, many years after they said they were going to and decades after they should have already completed it if they had any sense. Occasionally I see a Russian article that they’ve de-dollarized, then another one saying they’re going to, yada yada yada. This type of spineless decision-making is why everyone here is rightfully afraid that Russia will cut some pathetic self-defeating deal on Ukraine. Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 16 2023 19:23 utc | 84 Machine translation sounds odd, I think it should read “Finally (have arrived), the hunters of Gerans …”
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:27 utc | 85 Machine translation sounds odd, I think it should read “Finally (have arrived), the hunters of Gerans …”
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:27 utc | 86 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/46583
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:39 utc | 87 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/46583
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:39 utc | 88 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/46583
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:39 utc | 89 https://t.me/CyberspecNews/46583
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:39 utc | 90 https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/its-time-to-end-magical-thinking-about-russias-defeat-f6d0b8de Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2023 19:40 utc | 91 https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/its-time-to-end-magical-thinking-about-russias-defeat-f6d0b8de Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2023 19:40 utc | 92 “Did the US expect Prigoshin and his troops to turn around and attack RU forces? Posted by: Thomas | Nov 16 2023 20:02 utc | 93 “Did the US expect Prigoshin and his troops to turn around and attack RU forces? Posted by: Thomas | Nov 16 2023 20:02 utc | 94 @ Thomas, §47: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 20:22 utc | 95 @ Thomas, §47: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 20:22 utc | 96 https://roburie.substack.com/p/article-us-britain-killed-ukraine
https://braveneweurope.com/michael-von-der-schulenburg-hajo-funke-harald-kujat-peace-for-ukraine Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 16 2023 21:02 utc | 97 https://roburie.substack.com/p/article-us-britain-killed-ukraine
https://braveneweurope.com/michael-von-der-schulenburg-hajo-funke-harald-kujat-peace-for-ukraine Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 16 2023 21:02 utc | 98 It’s sad that I can tell a shadowbanned post now after the first couple of paragraphs. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 16 2023 21:08 utc | 99 It’s sad that I can tell a shadowbanned post now after the first couple of paragraphs. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 16 2023 21:08 utc | 100 |
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