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November 16, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-273

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The Western press confirms our message that the Russian offensive in the Donetsk direction, nicknamed “Avdeevskaya stranglehold,” is a stranglehold on Zelensky’s ratings.
If the Bakhmutov meat grinder is simply a battle for the city and a mistake/miscalculation of the Zee office, then the Avdeevka noose is a battle for the future result of the military and political campaign in Ukraine.
As the source explained:
The loss of Bakhmut is a loss of image and a break in the winning trend for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The loss of Avdiivka for Zelensky is a death sentence.
He will send everyone there and at the same time try to demonstrate the illusion that the Ukrainian Armed Forces continues to try to advance (even if it is stupid and very expensive for the Ukrainian Armed Forces), as today near Gorlovka.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16718

Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:17 utc | 1

The Western press confirms our message that the Russian offensive in the Donetsk direction, nicknamed “Avdeevskaya stranglehold,” is a stranglehold on Zelensky’s ratings.
If the Bakhmutov meat grinder is simply a battle for the city and a mistake/miscalculation of the Zee office, then the Avdeevka noose is a battle for the future result of the military and political campaign in Ukraine.
As the source explained:
The loss of Bakhmut is a loss of image and a break in the winning trend for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The loss of Avdiivka for Zelensky is a death sentence.
He will send everyone there and at the same time try to demonstrate the illusion that the Ukrainian Armed Forces continues to try to advance (even if it is stupid and very expensive for the Ukrainian Armed Forces), as today near Gorlovka.

https://t.me/legitimniy/16718

Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:17 utc | 2

🇩🇪🏭 Germany’s energy woes spark ‘deindustrialization on a considerable scale’
Consultancy firm Deloitte reports that two out of three German companies have partially relocated their operations abroad due to ongoing energy issues in Germany.
Previous reports indicated that nearly half of the country’s small-to-midsized companies were considering moving abroad or ceasing operations. According to Deloitte, 67 percent of German companies have moved some operations abroad, and every third industrial company plans to relocate high-quality areas such as production and preassembly.
Investments in infrastructure, digitalization, and cost-effective energy pricing are essential for securing business locations. The situation is particularly acute in Germany’s mechanical engineering, industrial goods, and automotive sectors, where 69 percent of companies report moderate to large-scale relocation.

https://t.me/sitreports/18057
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231115/germanys-energy-woes-spark-deindustralization-on-considerable-scale-1114980581.html

Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:22 utc | 3

🇩🇪🏭 Germany’s energy woes spark ‘deindustrialization on a considerable scale’
Consultancy firm Deloitte reports that two out of three German companies have partially relocated their operations abroad due to ongoing energy issues in Germany.
Previous reports indicated that nearly half of the country’s small-to-midsized companies were considering moving abroad or ceasing operations. According to Deloitte, 67 percent of German companies have moved some operations abroad, and every third industrial company plans to relocate high-quality areas such as production and preassembly.
Investments in infrastructure, digitalization, and cost-effective energy pricing are essential for securing business locations. The situation is particularly acute in Germany’s mechanical engineering, industrial goods, and automotive sectors, where 69 percent of companies report moderate to large-scale relocation.

https://t.me/sitreports/18057
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231115/germanys-energy-woes-spark-deindustralization-on-considerable-scale-1114980581.html

Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:22 utc | 4

Saw this information elsewhere, is there any analysis on type of artillery ratio?
Or an uptick in destroyed units of this nature?
“Due to the shortage of modern artillery, the enemy is using any howitzers, including the M114 from the Second World War, which were supplied to them from the United States.
#Rybar (https://t.me/rybar/54220)”
Any significant change should be visible.

Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 5

Saw this information elsewhere, is there any analysis on type of artillery ratio?
Or an uptick in destroyed units of this nature?
“Due to the shortage of modern artillery, the enemy is using any howitzers, including the M114 from the Second World War, which were supplied to them from the United States.
#Rybar (https://t.me/rybar/54220)”
Any significant change should be visible.

Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 6

@ Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:22 utc | 2
The Germans, and other European businesses and workers supporting or based on German production, are now being subjected to the same economic destruction that the British and Americans were subjected to forty years ago (and since), without even the promise of a “financialized” utopia.
Cui bono? China and the stockholders, as usual?

Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 7

@ Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:22 utc | 2
The Germans, and other European businesses and workers supporting or based on German production, are now being subjected to the same economic destruction that the British and Americans were subjected to forty years ago (and since), without even the promise of a “financialized” utopia.
Cui bono? China and the stockholders, as usual?

Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 8

Avdiivka becomes the second Bakhmut for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Zelensky again does not listen to the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny, sending people to slaughter. Now in the city the supply of Ukrainian forces is difficult: it is being shot at from everywhere, and is being “ironed” by artillery and aviation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. So, due to stubbornness and another “information victory,” Zelensky risks losing an almost 20,000-strong group of experienced Ukrainian soldiers who were fired upon.
So, just today it became known that Russian units broke through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Avdievka and crossed the city line. It is reported that the Ukrainian defense was broken through in the northern part of the city – in the area of ​​​​the Avdeevsky sand quarry. The RF Armed Forces reached the Ivushka gardening partnership, advancing south of the controlled ash dump, and the advance itself was carried out through forest plantations. Earlier, Russian units broke through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces along the railway along the entire northern flank.
At the same time, despite the similarity of the situation with Bakhmut, Avdeevka has genuine strategic value – having captured the city, the RF Armed Forces enter operational space, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine no longer have time to strengthen Kramatorsk or Slavyansk. Moreover, having lost Avdeevka, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will lose the opportunity to put pressure on Donetsk, and the front risks crumbling until the loss of the entire left bank of Ukraine.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20506

Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:52 utc | 9

Avdiivka becomes the second Bakhmut for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Zelensky again does not listen to the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny, sending people to slaughter. Now in the city the supply of Ukrainian forces is difficult: it is being shot at from everywhere, and is being “ironed” by artillery and aviation of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. So, due to stubbornness and another “information victory,” Zelensky risks losing an almost 20,000-strong group of experienced Ukrainian soldiers who were fired upon.
So, just today it became known that Russian units broke through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Avdievka and crossed the city line. It is reported that the Ukrainian defense was broken through in the northern part of the city – in the area of ​​​​the Avdeevsky sand quarry. The RF Armed Forces reached the Ivushka gardening partnership, advancing south of the controlled ash dump, and the advance itself was carried out through forest plantations. Earlier, Russian units broke through the defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces along the railway along the entire northern flank.
At the same time, despite the similarity of the situation with Bakhmut, Avdeevka has genuine strategic value – having captured the city, the RF Armed Forces enter operational space, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine no longer have time to strengthen Kramatorsk or Slavyansk. Moreover, having lost Avdeevka, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will lose the opportunity to put pressure on Donetsk, and the front risks crumbling until the loss of the entire left bank of Ukraine.

https://t.me/rezident_ua/20506

Posted by: Down South | Nov 16 2023 11:52 utc | 10

#5
I agree. it also splits the front in half from the POV of Ukraine, in terms of logistics, re-supply and movement of reserves. Russian forces will be able to ‘roll-up’ either end of the front from Adveeka, attacking the defence lines from at least two, possibly three sides.
To preserve against casualties, that might take a few months, but it relieves all artillery bombardment from Donetsk and Lugansk, other than rocket/ ATACMs type fire.
It also opens the whole east of Ukraine to the Dnieper, should Russia want to go there. I suspect they will grind down the two edges first, but with forays / inroads north and west if suits them tactically.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Nov 16 2023 12:01 utc | 11

#5
I agree. it also splits the front in half from the POV of Ukraine, in terms of logistics, re-supply and movement of reserves. Russian forces will be able to ‘roll-up’ either end of the front from Adveeka, attacking the defence lines from at least two, possibly three sides.
To preserve against casualties, that might take a few months, but it relieves all artillery bombardment from Donetsk and Lugansk, other than rocket/ ATACMs type fire.
It also opens the whole east of Ukraine to the Dnieper, should Russia want to go there. I suspect they will grind down the two edges first, but with forays / inroads north and west if suits them tactically.

Posted by: scepticalSOB | Nov 16 2023 12:01 utc | 12

Bhadrakumar has a new post about Ukraine up today:

Having successfully accomplished the destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States is estimating that in Ukraine too, destruction is nearly complete. At the recent meeting of the foreign and defence ministers of the US and India in New Delhi in the 2+2 format, the two countries “concurred on the need for post-conflict reconstruction” in Ukraine. It is an assertion that is out of sync with ground realities.
The Indians and Americans are whistling in the dark. Going forward, in fact, a whole new phase of Russia’s special military operations is to be expected and it is up in the air how Ukraine might look like in the aftermath.

Don’t plan yet for Ukraine reconstruction

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 12:08 utc | 13

Bhadrakumar has a new post about Ukraine up today:

Having successfully accomplished the destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States is estimating that in Ukraine too, destruction is nearly complete. At the recent meeting of the foreign and defence ministers of the US and India in New Delhi in the 2+2 format, the two countries “concurred on the need for post-conflict reconstruction” in Ukraine. It is an assertion that is out of sync with ground realities.
The Indians and Americans are whistling in the dark. Going forward, in fact, a whole new phase of Russia’s special military operations is to be expected and it is up in the air how Ukraine might look like in the aftermath.

Don’t plan yet for Ukraine reconstruction

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 12:08 utc | 14

I have long been fascinated by the great and ancient ethnic divide of the Caucasoid world between its northwestern Indo-European or Aryan and its southern Semitic regions–the Pacific Rim’s “Ring of Fire” has nothing on that divide–and it strikes me that much recent and present European turmoil maps to its less ancient but little less lively western Teutonic and Eastern Slavic divide.

Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 12:09 utc | 15

I have long been fascinated by the great and ancient ethnic divide of the Caucasoid world between its northwestern Indo-European or Aryan and its southern Semitic regions–the Pacific Rim’s “Ring of Fire” has nothing on that divide–and it strikes me that much recent and present European turmoil maps to its less ancient but little less lively western Teutonic and Eastern Slavic divide.

Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 12:09 utc | 16

Quoted by Down South @2: “67 percent of German companies have moved some operations abroad, and every third industrial company plans to relocate high-quality areas such as production and preassembly.”
Damn! That’s fast! The same degree of deindustrialization took decades in the US, and even at that rate it hurt like hell. I’m not sure how one could characterize what is happening in Germany as anything other than an economic crash.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2023 12:19 utc | 17

Quoted by Down South @2: “67 percent of German companies have moved some operations abroad, and every third industrial company plans to relocate high-quality areas such as production and preassembly.”
Damn! That’s fast! The same degree of deindustrialization took decades in the US, and even at that rate it hurt like hell. I’m not sure how one could characterize what is happening in Germany as anything other than an economic crash.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2023 12:19 utc | 18

>break in the winning trend for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The loss of Avdiivka for Zelensky is a death sentence.
Erm what? What “winning streak” after Artemovsk? Are the people writing this shit totally divested from reality?

Posted by: OmegaPsi | Nov 16 2023 12:32 utc | 19

>break in the winning trend for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The loss of Avdiivka for Zelensky is a death sentence.
Erm what? What “winning streak” after Artemovsk? Are the people writing this shit totally divested from reality?

Posted by: OmegaPsi | Nov 16 2023 12:32 utc | 20

Re: Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 14 2023 23:38 utc | 150

So the latest narrative, as posted on RT, is that the current ‘stalemate’ in Ukraine could persist for up to 5 years. Maybe that’s what Pompous has in his brain.

Russian State Media!
So much for those around here who keep chanting “Ukraine is on the verge of collapse and it could happen any day/week/month in the very near future!!!”
Totally delusional – as usual.
Even Russian State Media says this thing will go on for years!
Buy a clue people. Russian forces capturing a town next to Donetsk –AVDIIVKA!! – after nearly 10 years – does not mean the War is about to END!
Get a clue folks.

Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 21

Re: Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 14 2023 23:38 utc | 150

So the latest narrative, as posted on RT, is that the current ‘stalemate’ in Ukraine could persist for up to 5 years. Maybe that’s what Pompous has in his brain.

Russian State Media!
So much for those around here who keep chanting “Ukraine is on the verge of collapse and it could happen any day/week/month in the very near future!!!”
Totally delusional – as usual.
Even Russian State Media says this thing will go on for years!
Buy a clue people. Russian forces capturing a town next to Donetsk –AVDIIVKA!! – after nearly 10 years – does not mean the War is about to END!
Get a clue folks.

Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 22

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2023 12:19 utc | 9
i remember seeing old black and white videos of people in Germany pushing wheelbarrows of money in order to buy daily necessities. everything old is new again.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 12:52 utc | 23

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 16 2023 12:19 utc | 9
i remember seeing old black and white videos of people in Germany pushing wheelbarrows of money in order to buy daily necessities. everything old is new again.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 12:52 utc | 24

Reports from Slavyangrad claim RUAF has made significant gain in the eastern Kupyansk flank, managing to physically cut the road running between Kupyansk-Ivanovka and Kyslivka.

❗️The tank army of the Russian Armed Forces broke through the defenses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Ivanovka area near Kupyansk.
Our fighters, after a powerful artillery strike, moved forward and are now actively fighting in the southwest of Ivanovka. As a result, Russian troops successfully cut the Ivanovka-Kislovka road and reached the railway track, reports Voenkor Lisitsyn.
Bandera’s troops are forced to retreat and act on the second line of defense, which runs along the railway track, including the section from Kislovka to Peschannaya.
#Source (https://t.me/avdeevkaru/40091)
@Slavyangrad
“>https://t.me/Slavyangrad/74023

General update:

The Russian Armed Forces carried out strikes on the enemy targets in Chuguev, Kharkov region, at night.
There are also reports of further attacks on the airfield in Mirgorod, Poltava region, from where enemy planes with Storm Shadow missiles have repeatedly taken off.
▪️In the Avdeevka direction there were oncoming battles near the waste heap near the coke-chemical plant. On the northern ledge of the front, the Russian Armed Forces continue to conduct active operations near Krasnogorovka, which forces the enemy to transfer new units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to replace those completely destroyed earlier. The village of Stepovoye remains in the gray zone.
▪️On the Zaporozhye front, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue attacks west of Rabotino and Verbovoye. The next attacks of enemy infantry with the support of armored vehicles were repelled. The enemy maintains the tactic of striking our positions with cluster munitions before the assault. There are battles at Pyatikhatki. A missile strike was launched (https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/7563) by the Iskander OTRK at the location of the brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine in the city of Dmitrov, (18 km from Orekhov). Our aviation works with FAB-500 bombs daily against AFU clusters.
▪️In the Kherson direction the situation was stable yesterday: the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed by artillery strikes in Krynki, attempts to advance them were currently localized. Clashes continue on our coast in the Poima-Krynki section.
▪️South of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) there are battles near Kleshcheevka, the initiative is in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces. Over the course of several months of attacks, the enemy lost a significant amount of personnel and equipment in meat assaults; the transfer of reinforcements from the Armed Forces of Ukraine to stabilize the front sector is not ruled out.
▪️In the Kupyansk direction there are local battles near Sinkovka and Ivanovka.
▪️Daily shelling of front-line areas of the Belgorod region continues. Yesterday morning an enemy UAV was shot down over the Smolensk region. The Nazis fired 192 shells at the civilian population of the DPR, incl. with a cassette warhead. One civilian was killed and four were injured.
by @dva_majors
“>https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/7564

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:56 utc | 25

Reports from Slavyangrad claim RUAF has made significant gain in the eastern Kupyansk flank, managing to physically cut the road running between Kupyansk-Ivanovka and Kyslivka.

❗️The tank army of the Russian Armed Forces broke through the defenses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Ivanovka area near Kupyansk.
Our fighters, after a powerful artillery strike, moved forward and are now actively fighting in the southwest of Ivanovka. As a result, Russian troops successfully cut the Ivanovka-Kislovka road and reached the railway track, reports Voenkor Lisitsyn.
Bandera’s troops are forced to retreat and act on the second line of defense, which runs along the railway track, including the section from Kislovka to Peschannaya.
#Source (https://t.me/avdeevkaru/40091)
@Slavyangrad
“>https://t.me/Slavyangrad/74023

General update:

The Russian Armed Forces carried out strikes on the enemy targets in Chuguev, Kharkov region, at night.
There are also reports of further attacks on the airfield in Mirgorod, Poltava region, from where enemy planes with Storm Shadow missiles have repeatedly taken off.
▪️In the Avdeevka direction there were oncoming battles near the waste heap near the coke-chemical plant. On the northern ledge of the front, the Russian Armed Forces continue to conduct active operations near Krasnogorovka, which forces the enemy to transfer new units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to replace those completely destroyed earlier. The village of Stepovoye remains in the gray zone.
▪️On the Zaporozhye front, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue attacks west of Rabotino and Verbovoye. The next attacks of enemy infantry with the support of armored vehicles were repelled. The enemy maintains the tactic of striking our positions with cluster munitions before the assault. There are battles at Pyatikhatki. A missile strike was launched (https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/7563) by the Iskander OTRK at the location of the brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine in the city of Dmitrov, (18 km from Orekhov). Our aviation works with FAB-500 bombs daily against AFU clusters.
▪️In the Kherson direction the situation was stable yesterday: the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed by artillery strikes in Krynki, attempts to advance them were currently localized. Clashes continue on our coast in the Poima-Krynki section.
▪️South of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) there are battles near Kleshcheevka, the initiative is in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces. Over the course of several months of attacks, the enemy lost a significant amount of personnel and equipment in meat assaults; the transfer of reinforcements from the Armed Forces of Ukraine to stabilize the front sector is not ruled out.
▪️In the Kupyansk direction there are local battles near Sinkovka and Ivanovka.
▪️Daily shelling of front-line areas of the Belgorod region continues. Yesterday morning an enemy UAV was shot down over the Smolensk region. The Nazis fired 192 shells at the civilian population of the DPR, incl. with a cassette warhead. One civilian was killed and four were injured.
by @dva_majors
“>https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/7564

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:56 utc | 26

Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 11
(sniffs). there is a reek of troll desperation in the air. “It’s only a flesh wound! come back you coward!”

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 12:57 utc | 27

Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 11
(sniffs). there is a reek of troll desperation in the air. “It’s only a flesh wound! come back you coward!”

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 12:57 utc | 28

Reports claim RUAF has made significant gain in the eastern Kupyansk flank, managing to physically cut the road running between Kupyansk-Ivanovka and Kyslivka.

The tank army of the Russian Armed Forces broke through the defenses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Ivanovka area near Kupyansk.
Our fighters, after a powerful artillery strike, moved forward and are now actively fighting in the southwest of Ivanovka. As a result, Russian troops successfully cut the Ivanovka-Kislovka road and reached the railway track, reports Voenkor Lisitsyn.
Bandera’s troops are forced to retreat and act on the second line of defense, which runs along the railway track, including the section from Kislovka to Peschannaya.
#Source (https://t.me/avdeevkaru/40091)
“>https://t.me/Slavyangrad/74023

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:57 utc | 29

Reports claim RUAF has made significant gain in the eastern Kupyansk flank, managing to physically cut the road running between Kupyansk-Ivanovka and Kyslivka.

The tank army of the Russian Armed Forces broke through the defenses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Ivanovka area near Kupyansk.
Our fighters, after a powerful artillery strike, moved forward and are now actively fighting in the southwest of Ivanovka. As a result, Russian troops successfully cut the Ivanovka-Kislovka road and reached the railway track, reports Voenkor Lisitsyn.
Bandera’s troops are forced to retreat and act on the second line of defense, which runs along the railway track, including the section from Kislovka to Peschannaya.
#Source (https://t.me/avdeevkaru/40091)
“>https://t.me/Slavyangrad/74023

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:57 utc | 30

The Russian Armed Forces carried out strikes on the enemy targets in Chuguev, Kharkov region, at night.
There are also reports of further attacks on the airfield in Mirgorod, Poltava region, from where enemy planes with Storm Shadow missiles have repeatedly taken off.
▪️In the Avdeevka direction there were oncoming battles near the waste heap near the coke-chemical plant. On the northern ledge of the front, the Russian Armed Forces continue to conduct active operations near Krasnogorovka, which forces the enemy to transfer new units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to replace those completely destroyed earlier. The village of Stepovoye remains in the gray zone.
▪️On the Zaporozhye front, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue attacks west of Rabotino and Verbovoye. The next attacks of enemy infantry with the support of armored vehicles were repelled. The enemy maintains the tactic of striking our positions with cluster munitions before the assault. There are battles at Pyatikhatki. A missile strike was launched (https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/7563) by the Iskander OTRK at the location of the brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine in the city of Dmitrov, (18 km from Orekhov). Our aviation works with FAB-500 bombs daily against AFU clusters.
▪️In the Kherson direction the situation was stable yesterday: the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed by artillery strikes in Krynki, attempts to advance them were currently localized. Clashes continue on our coast in the Poima-Krynki section.
▪️South of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) there are battles near Kleshcheevka, the initiative is in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces. Over the course of several months of attacks, the enemy lost a significant amount of personnel and equipment in meat assaults; the transfer of reinforcements from the Armed Forces of Ukraine to stabilize the front sector is not ruled out.
▪️In the Kupyansk direction there are local battles near Sinkovka and Ivanovka.
▪️Daily shelling of front-line areas of the Belgorod region continues. Yesterday morning an enemy UAV was shot down over the Smolensk region. The Nazis fired 192 shells at the civilian population of the DPR, incl. with a cassette warhead. One civilian was killed and four were injured.
by @dva_majors
“>https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/7564

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:58 utc | 31

The Russian Armed Forces carried out strikes on the enemy targets in Chuguev, Kharkov region, at night.
There are also reports of further attacks on the airfield in Mirgorod, Poltava region, from where enemy planes with Storm Shadow missiles have repeatedly taken off.
▪️In the Avdeevka direction there were oncoming battles near the waste heap near the coke-chemical plant. On the northern ledge of the front, the Russian Armed Forces continue to conduct active operations near Krasnogorovka, which forces the enemy to transfer new units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to replace those completely destroyed earlier. The village of Stepovoye remains in the gray zone.
▪️On the Zaporozhye front, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue attacks west of Rabotino and Verbovoye. The next attacks of enemy infantry with the support of armored vehicles were repelled. The enemy maintains the tactic of striking our positions with cluster munitions before the assault. There are battles at Pyatikhatki. A missile strike was launched (https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/7563) by the Iskander OTRK at the location of the brigade of the National Guard of Ukraine in the city of Dmitrov, (18 km from Orekhov). Our aviation works with FAB-500 bombs daily against AFU clusters.
▪️In the Kherson direction the situation was stable yesterday: the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed by artillery strikes in Krynki, attempts to advance them were currently localized. Clashes continue on our coast in the Poima-Krynki section.
▪️South of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) there are battles near Kleshcheevka, the initiative is in the hands of the Russian Armed Forces. Over the course of several months of attacks, the enemy lost a significant amount of personnel and equipment in meat assaults; the transfer of reinforcements from the Armed Forces of Ukraine to stabilize the front sector is not ruled out.
▪️In the Kupyansk direction there are local battles near Sinkovka and Ivanovka.
▪️Daily shelling of front-line areas of the Belgorod region continues. Yesterday morning an enemy UAV was shot down over the Smolensk region. The Nazis fired 192 shells at the civilian population of the DPR, incl. with a cassette warhead. One civilian was killed and four were injured.
by @dva_majors
“>https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/7564

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 16 2023 12:58 utc | 32

“The resurgence of Nazism in Europe and the genocide of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine will be stopped.” Russian Deputy Defense Minister.
Clearly stated. Godspeed.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 16 2023 13:02 utc | 33

“The resurgence of Nazism in Europe and the genocide of the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine will be stopped.” Russian Deputy Defense Minister.
Clearly stated. Godspeed.

Posted by: Elmagnostic | Nov 16 2023 13:02 utc | 34

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/napoleon-enters-moscow
I was just reading this, for a little context.
“In 1812, French Emperor Napoleon I was still at the height of his fortunes. The Peninsular War against Britain was a thorn in the side of his great European empire, but he was confident that his generals would soon triumph in Spain. All that remained to complete his “Continental System”–a unilateral European blockade designed to economically isolate Britain and force its subjugation–was the cooperation of Russia. After earlier conflict, Napoleon and Alexander I kept a tenuous peace, but the Russian czar was unwilling to submit to the Continental System, which was ruinous to the Russian economy. To intimidate Alexander, Napoleon massed his forces in Poland in the spring of 1812, but still the czar resisted.”

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 13:18 utc | 35

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/napoleon-enters-moscow
I was just reading this, for a little context.
“In 1812, French Emperor Napoleon I was still at the height of his fortunes. The Peninsular War against Britain was a thorn in the side of his great European empire, but he was confident that his generals would soon triumph in Spain. All that remained to complete his “Continental System”–a unilateral European blockade designed to economically isolate Britain and force its subjugation–was the cooperation of Russia. After earlier conflict, Napoleon and Alexander I kept a tenuous peace, but the Russian czar was unwilling to submit to the Continental System, which was ruinous to the Russian economy. To intimidate Alexander, Napoleon massed his forces in Poland in the spring of 1812, but still the czar resisted.”

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 16 2023 13:18 utc | 36

What “winning streak” after Artemovsk? Are the people writing this shit totally divested from reality?
Posted by: OmegaPsi | Nov 16 2023 12:32 utc | 10
Yes, those are ukro TG channels and everything they say is mixed with propaganda. Just read between the lines.

Posted by: rk | Nov 16 2023 13:20 utc | 37

What “winning streak” after Artemovsk? Are the people writing this shit totally divested from reality?
Posted by: OmegaPsi | Nov 16 2023 12:32 utc | 10
Yes, those are ukro TG channels and everything they say is mixed with propaganda. Just read between the lines.

Posted by: rk | Nov 16 2023 13:20 utc | 38

@ John Kennard, §8:
South-East Indo-Europeans, viz. India and Persia, have also had long, historic battle-lines with the Semitic (mostly Arabic) world. Islam largely destroyed the Persian religion of Zoroaster but failed against Hinduism and Buddha.
So there´s another significant divide between the Middle East and the Far East.

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 13:27 utc | 39

@ John Kennard, §8:
South-East Indo-Europeans, viz. India and Persia, have also had long, historic battle-lines with the Semitic (mostly Arabic) world. Islam largely destroyed the Persian religion of Zoroaster but failed against Hinduism and Buddha.
So there´s another significant divide between the Middle East and the Far East.

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 13:27 utc | 40

Hoping that Russia closes the cauldron around Avdeevka quickly. Once supply roads are completely cut, maybe we will see a mass surrender like at Mariupol… The weather channel forecast is for below freezing lows the rest of this month, maybe that will help encourage Ukrainians to surrender

Posted by: ctiger | Nov 16 2023 13:33 utc | 41

Hoping that Russia closes the cauldron around Avdeevka quickly. Once supply roads are completely cut, maybe we will see a mass surrender like at Mariupol… The weather channel forecast is for below freezing lows the rest of this month, maybe that will help encourage Ukrainians to surrender

Posted by: ctiger | Nov 16 2023 13:33 utc | 42

So much for those around here who keep chanting “Ukraine is on the verge of collapse and it could happen any day/week/month in the very near future!!!”
Totally delusional – as usual.
Even Russian State Media says this thing will go on for years!
Buy a clue people. Russian forces capturing a town next to Donetsk -AVDIIVKA!! – after nearly 10 years – does not mean the War is about to END!
Get a clue folks.
Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 11

For those calling people advocating for decisive measures (i.e. rolling out the nukes and physically cutting Ukraine off the West) lunatics, it is time for a bit of a reflection on what has happened in the last nearly two years.
We have nearly half a million dead (50-70K on the Russia side and some 400K on Ukraine) and several hundred thousand maimed. Most of those are ethnic Russians, even if brainwashed — the Banderites tend to stay in the rear away from the real action and only come out to shoot civilians where there is no resistance.
The way the war is fought right now the death toll will be several times that by the time it is all over.
So this is another gigantic catastrophe for the Russian world, engineered by the West.
But this time the Kremlin has been a willing accomplice.
This was not supposed to happen again after WWII. And Putin did talk many times about how “we are not going to fight another war on our own territory”. Well, he is fighting another such war and we are once again seeing mass carnage in the seven figures (again, it hasn’t reached that yet, but it is set to do so).
Meanwhile the fat degenerates in Europe are sleeping safe and sound.
What exactly is again the argument for not wiping out Poland and Romania (you can add Finland, Denmark and the Netherlands for good measure as particularly distinguished rabid Russophobes), cutting off the AFU from support, and finishing it off in a few months after that given the scale of the damage currently developing east of the NATO border? It will save a lot of people in both Russia and Ukraine.
Or at the very least nuke the border crossings so that nothing can pass.
The US is not going to attack Russia over that, we all know that.
The nukes were supposed to prevent exactly that kind of loss of life from ever happening again, and yet…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 14:27 utc | 43

So much for those around here who keep chanting “Ukraine is on the verge of collapse and it could happen any day/week/month in the very near future!!!”
Totally delusional – as usual.
Even Russian State Media says this thing will go on for years!
Buy a clue people. Russian forces capturing a town next to Donetsk -AVDIIVKA!! – after nearly 10 years – does not mean the War is about to END!
Get a clue folks.
Posted by: Julian | Nov 16 2023 12:36 utc | 11

For those calling people advocating for decisive measures (i.e. rolling out the nukes and physically cutting Ukraine off the West) lunatics, it is time for a bit of a reflection on what has happened in the last nearly two years.
We have nearly half a million dead (50-70K on the Russia side and some 400K on Ukraine) and several hundred thousand maimed. Most of those are ethnic Russians, even if brainwashed — the Banderites tend to stay in the rear away from the real action and only come out to shoot civilians where there is no resistance.
The way the war is fought right now the death toll will be several times that by the time it is all over.
So this is another gigantic catastrophe for the Russian world, engineered by the West.
But this time the Kremlin has been a willing accomplice.
This was not supposed to happen again after WWII. And Putin did talk many times about how “we are not going to fight another war on our own territory”. Well, he is fighting another such war and we are once again seeing mass carnage in the seven figures (again, it hasn’t reached that yet, but it is set to do so).
Meanwhile the fat degenerates in Europe are sleeping safe and sound.
What exactly is again the argument for not wiping out Poland and Romania (you can add Finland, Denmark and the Netherlands for good measure as particularly distinguished rabid Russophobes), cutting off the AFU from support, and finishing it off in a few months after that given the scale of the damage currently developing east of the NATO border? It will save a lot of people in both Russia and Ukraine.
Or at the very least nuke the border crossings so that nothing can pass.
The US is not going to attack Russia over that, we all know that.
The nukes were supposed to prevent exactly that kind of loss of life from ever happening again, and yet…

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 14:27 utc | 44

Big serge has an interesting article on the , a long read but worth it https://bigserge.substack.com/
Russo-Ukrainian War: The Reckoning
Ukraine at the limits

Posted by: ctiger | Nov 16 2023 14:44 utc | 45

Big serge has an interesting article on the , a long read but worth it https://bigserge.substack.com/
Russo-Ukrainian War: The Reckoning
Ukraine at the limits

Posted by: ctiger | Nov 16 2023 14:44 utc | 46

@ shadowbanned, §21:
Russia´s not gonna bite, shadow.
There´d be a lot more Russians killed if nukes started flying around.
The sad fact is that more Russians are being killed again because of the unfathomable hatred of Russia by the UK and the American NeoCons. It takes me by surprise – and it took the Russians by surprise, despite decades of Russia holding out the olive branch to the West.
When you look at the state of America and the EU, Russia´s policy has worked well: don´t interrupt the enemy (For NATO has proven to be a deluded enemy) while he is destroying himself.

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 14:51 utc | 47

@ shadowbanned, §21:
Russia´s not gonna bite, shadow.
There´d be a lot more Russians killed if nukes started flying around.
The sad fact is that more Russians are being killed again because of the unfathomable hatred of Russia by the UK and the American NeoCons. It takes me by surprise – and it took the Russians by surprise, despite decades of Russia holding out the olive branch to the West.
When you look at the state of America and the EU, Russia´s policy has worked well: don´t interrupt the enemy (For NATO has proven to be a deluded enemy) while he is destroying himself.

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 14:51 utc | 48

@21
Lets see where the grief will be stronger – in EU Ukrainians or in RU Ukrainians
Each society will feel it but I dont think that the EU People are really ready for it

Posted by: Macpott | Nov 16 2023 15:09 utc | 49

@21
Lets see where the grief will be stronger – in EU Ukrainians or in RU Ukrainians
Each society will feel it but I dont think that the EU People are really ready for it

Posted by: Macpott | Nov 16 2023 15:09 utc | 50

@ John Marks | Nov 16 2023 14:51 utc | 23
The hatred of Russia by the American Imperial elite (normal people don’t give a damn) is I think mostly powered by the fact that thanks to Gorbachev and (mostly) Yeltsin they had their fangs firmly clamped on the RF in the ’90s and ’00s and were sucking away but then got pried back loose.
The Galicianists are playing the same role as they did in WWII.

Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 15:46 utc | 51

@ John Marks | Nov 16 2023 14:51 utc | 23
The hatred of Russia by the American Imperial elite (normal people don’t give a damn) is I think mostly powered by the fact that thanks to Gorbachev and (mostly) Yeltsin they had their fangs firmly clamped on the RF in the ’90s and ’00s and were sucking away but then got pried back loose.
The Galicianists are playing the same role as they did in WWII.

Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 16 2023 15:46 utc | 52

What exactly is again the argument for not wiping out Poland and Romania (you can add Finland, Denmark and the Netherlands for good measure as particularly distinguished rabid Russophobes)
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 14:27 utc | 22
so, lets get this straight. you want to commit genocide on a large scale, without even thinking about the possible retaliatory measures those rabid russophobes would take after the fact?
you understand that there are atomic bombs within eu territory. you do understand that nato has many many many planes and other delivery methods of said nukes?
you do understand that uk/us would start salivating the moment russia does something like this. they can start nuking russian cities (ad can be overwhelmed, as you maybe have noticed in the past two years) from eu territory with plausible deniability. they can simply say “its not us, its the poles/finns/whoever currently stationed in country x within nato territory that is now angry at you killing their families *UNPROVOKED*”! jackpot! do i even have to continiue?
are you that dense?
are you so full of hatred as all those rabid russophobes are, that you are blind?
and then just think about the other countries around the world. the propagandastorm from the valuewest would be amazing! “russia nukes innocent people in finnland!”. all the current goodwill russia has managed to get would evaporate in a second. jackpot #2!
again, are you really that dense?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 16:22 utc | 53

What exactly is again the argument for not wiping out Poland and Romania (you can add Finland, Denmark and the Netherlands for good measure as particularly distinguished rabid Russophobes)
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 14:27 utc | 22
so, lets get this straight. you want to commit genocide on a large scale, without even thinking about the possible retaliatory measures those rabid russophobes would take after the fact?
you understand that there are atomic bombs within eu territory. you do understand that nato has many many many planes and other delivery methods of said nukes?
you do understand that uk/us would start salivating the moment russia does something like this. they can start nuking russian cities (ad can be overwhelmed, as you maybe have noticed in the past two years) from eu territory with plausible deniability. they can simply say “its not us, its the poles/finns/whoever currently stationed in country x within nato territory that is now angry at you killing their families *UNPROVOKED*”! jackpot! do i even have to continiue?
are you that dense?
are you so full of hatred as all those rabid russophobes are, that you are blind?
and then just think about the other countries around the world. the propagandastorm from the valuewest would be amazing! “russia nukes innocent people in finnland!”. all the current goodwill russia has managed to get would evaporate in a second. jackpot #2!
again, are you really that dense?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 16:22 utc | 54

again, are you really that dense?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 16:22 utc | 27

Are you really that dense to not understand that the US is not going to sacrifice DC, NYC, LA and the Bay Area just to retaliate for Poland?
Once lethal intent has been conclusively demonstrated, the US will tuck its tail between its legs and leave it there.
Anyway, as I also said, it doesn’t even have to go to total annihilation, though unfortunately the way these things work, it is kind of necessary (if you just wipe out the bases, then Poles will forever demand nuclear retaliation, and the only way to ensure they end it there is for there to be no Poles to demand that).
But they could have at least blocked the border crossings with tactical nukes. That is eminently doable.
You have half a million dead and no end in sight. But you have the tools to stop it. Use them.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 55

again, are you really that dense?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 16:22 utc | 27

Are you really that dense to not understand that the US is not going to sacrifice DC, NYC, LA and the Bay Area just to retaliate for Poland?
Once lethal intent has been conclusively demonstrated, the US will tuck its tail between its legs and leave it there.
Anyway, as I also said, it doesn’t even have to go to total annihilation, though unfortunately the way these things work, it is kind of necessary (if you just wipe out the bases, then Poles will forever demand nuclear retaliation, and the only way to ensure they end it there is for there to be no Poles to demand that).
But they could have at least blocked the border crossings with tactical nukes. That is eminently doable.
You have half a million dead and no end in sight. But you have the tools to stop it. Use them.

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 56

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 28
dense again? why would the us sacrifice anything if its not them, but other nato members that retaliate? dont you get it? plausible deniability? didnt you notice that over the past years, whenever there was one nato member or two that went on a little adventure, others didnt participate? they are not (or at least act that way) a singular unity in those regards. same as with the much celebrated article 5 bollocks.
france has nukes, the uk has nukes, and those nukes stationed in germany or italy can simply go on a little adventure with the us saying its their partners that took them, not them. its that simple.
the eu part of nato would be the sacrificial lamb at that moment. and russia would have the retaliate to that retaliation on the imminent danger of all those things stationed in europe, not on the us mainland. thats the key part.
the us would, as you rightly say, walk away. but the problem is not them walking away, its what is here on the continent. and that is the eu part that russia then has to deal with.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 17:03 utc | 57

Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 28
dense again? why would the us sacrifice anything if its not them, but other nato members that retaliate? dont you get it? plausible deniability? didnt you notice that over the past years, whenever there was one nato member or two that went on a little adventure, others didnt participate? they are not (or at least act that way) a singular unity in those regards. same as with the much celebrated article 5 bollocks.
france has nukes, the uk has nukes, and those nukes stationed in germany or italy can simply go on a little adventure with the us saying its their partners that took them, not them. its that simple.
the eu part of nato would be the sacrificial lamb at that moment. and russia would have the retaliate to that retaliation on the imminent danger of all those things stationed in europe, not on the us mainland. thats the key part.
the us would, as you rightly say, walk away. but the problem is not them walking away, its what is here on the continent. and that is the eu part that russia then has to deal with.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 17:03 utc | 58

Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 3

Saw this information elsewhere, is there any analysis on type of artillery ratio?
Or an uptick in destroyed units of this nature?
“Due to the shortage of modern artillery, the enemy is using any howitzers, including the M114 from the Second World War, which were supplied to them from the United States.
#Rybar (https://t.me/rybar/54220)”
Any significant change should be visible.

why don’t YOU provide a analysis ?
simply add up the daily MOD reports
each 1x M114 on 08.11. and 16.11.

Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 16 2023 17:32 utc | 59

Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 3

Saw this information elsewhere, is there any analysis on type of artillery ratio?
Or an uptick in destroyed units of this nature?
“Due to the shortage of modern artillery, the enemy is using any howitzers, including the M114 from the Second World War, which were supplied to them from the United States.
#Rybar (https://t.me/rybar/54220)”
Any significant change should be visible.

why don’t YOU provide a analysis ?
simply add up the daily MOD reports
each 1x M114 on 08.11. and 16.11.

Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 16 2023 17:32 utc | 60

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 17:03 utc | 29
So London would allow itself to be annihilated for Poland?
Sorry doesn’t add up, any more than the US wouldn’t sacrifice NYC for Warsaw

Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 16 2023 17:34 utc | 61

Posted by: Justpassinby | Nov 16 2023 17:03 utc | 29
So London would allow itself to be annihilated for Poland?
Sorry doesn’t add up, any more than the US wouldn’t sacrifice NYC for Warsaw

Posted by: Night Tripper | Nov 16 2023 17:34 utc | 62

Big serge has an interesting article on the , a long read but worth it https://bigserge.substack.com/
Russo-Ukrainian War: The Reckoning
Ukraine at the limits

Yes, I read that in detail. Excellent stuff.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 17:56 utc | 65

Big serge has an interesting article on the , a long read but worth it https://bigserge.substack.com/
Russo-Ukrainian War: The Reckoning
Ukraine at the limits

Yes, I read that in detail. Excellent stuff.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 17:56 utc | 66

You have half a million dead and no end in sight. But you have the tools to stop it. Use them.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 28
But try not to start WWIII in the process.
As I mentioned several times the finance minister has asked for (and I would guess obtained) budget for an additional 70.000 KIA
That would be the budget for 2 months at full-SMO strengh (you only had barely two weeks at the start), and that means around 600.000 soldiers rotating in and out of the theater.
You are currently seeing breakthroughs a bit all over the place, guess it’s a go.
The objective is to eradicate the AFU before they can throw another 400.000 fresh-meat into the fray and hide behind them.
Yes, we’re talking of almost doubling global casualties so far, but can be “cheap” because the alternative would be twice as much in the next couple of years.
And it sure beats nukes flying around. Even if the US didn’t use them, are you sure about the french? or the brits?
If it can be done in a safer way, just do it.

Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 18:19 utc | 67

You have half a million dead and no end in sight. But you have the tools to stop it. Use them.
Posted by: shаdοwbanned | Nov 16 2023 16:40 utc | 28
But try not to start WWIII in the process.
As I mentioned several times the finance minister has asked for (and I would guess obtained) budget for an additional 70.000 KIA
That would be the budget for 2 months at full-SMO strengh (you only had barely two weeks at the start), and that means around 600.000 soldiers rotating in and out of the theater.
You are currently seeing breakthroughs a bit all over the place, guess it’s a go.
The objective is to eradicate the AFU before they can throw another 400.000 fresh-meat into the fray and hide behind them.
Yes, we’re talking of almost doubling global casualties so far, but can be “cheap” because the alternative would be twice as much in the next couple of years.
And it sure beats nukes flying around. Even if the US didn’t use them, are you sure about the french? or the brits?
If it can be done in a safer way, just do it.

Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 18:19 utc | 68

why don’t YOU provide a analysis ?
simply add up the daily MOD reports
each 1x M114 on 08.11. and 16.11.
Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 16 2023 17:32 utc | 30
Because when I browsed I wasn’t paying attention but someone might.
That was the case and thank you.
Very small numbers for a piece with a range shy of 15km, counter-battery, specially drones, would probably inflict much higher losses if they were significantly present.
Thank you for helping disregard the original quote.

Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 18:23 utc | 69

why don’t YOU provide a analysis ?
simply add up the daily MOD reports
each 1x M114 on 08.11. and 16.11.
Posted by: ghiwen | Nov 16 2023 17:32 utc | 30
Because when I browsed I wasn’t paying attention but someone might.
That was the case and thank you.
Very small numbers for a piece with a range shy of 15km, counter-battery, specially drones, would probably inflict much higher losses if they were significantly present.
Thank you for helping disregard the original quote.

Posted by: newbie | Nov 16 2023 18:23 utc | 70

@ John Kennard, §26:
Agreed, but that has been well described by Alex Krainer (“Grand Deception”, Red Pill Press, 2018) and the notorious Bill Browder was exposed by Andrei Nekrasov´s film (“The Magnitsky Act – Behind the Scenes” Piraya, Norwegian Film Institute, 2018) so it is known that the Americans behaved as plunderers from 1991 until Putin gave them (and Browder) the boot.
What has continued their banditry even after Putin put Russia´s house in order?
You think the NeoCons had tasted the power of world dominion and almost limitless (Russian) resources and became addicted?

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 18:31 utc | 71

@ John Kennard, §26:
Agreed, but that has been well described by Alex Krainer (“Grand Deception”, Red Pill Press, 2018) and the notorious Bill Browder was exposed by Andrei Nekrasov´s film (“The Magnitsky Act – Behind the Scenes” Piraya, Norwegian Film Institute, 2018) so it is known that the Americans behaved as plunderers from 1991 until Putin gave them (and Browder) the boot.
What has continued their banditry even after Putin put Russia´s house in order?
You think the NeoCons had tasted the power of world dominion and almost limitless (Russian) resources and became addicted?

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 18:31 utc | 72

The money paragraph from Big Serge’s blog post:

“In the third century, during China’s Three Kingdoms era (after the Han Dynasty broke apart into a trifurcated state in the early 200’s), there was a famous general and official named Sima Yi. While not as oft quoted as the better known Sun Tzu, Sima Yi has one pithy aphorism attributed to him which is better than anything in the Art of War. Sima Yi put the essence of warmaking the following way:
In military affairs there are five essential points. If able to attack, you must attack. If not able to attack, you must defend. If not able to defend, you must flee. The remaining two points entail only surrender or death.
Ukraine is working its way down the list. The events of the summer demonstrated that it cannot successfully attack strongly held Russian positions. Events in Avdivvka and elsewhere now test whether they can defend their position in the Donbas against rising Russian force generation. If they fail this test, it will be time to flee, surrender, or die. Such is the way of things when the time for reckoning comes.”

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-reckoning
The whole post is a great overview of the history and current state of the conflict.

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 16 2023 18:46 utc | 73

The money paragraph from Big Serge’s blog post:

“In the third century, during China’s Three Kingdoms era (after the Han Dynasty broke apart into a trifurcated state in the early 200’s), there was a famous general and official named Sima Yi. While not as oft quoted as the better known Sun Tzu, Sima Yi has one pithy aphorism attributed to him which is better than anything in the Art of War. Sima Yi put the essence of warmaking the following way:
In military affairs there are five essential points. If able to attack, you must attack. If not able to attack, you must defend. If not able to defend, you must flee. The remaining two points entail only surrender or death.
Ukraine is working its way down the list. The events of the summer demonstrated that it cannot successfully attack strongly held Russian positions. Events in Avdivvka and elsewhere now test whether they can defend their position in the Donbas against rising Russian force generation. If they fail this test, it will be time to flee, surrender, or die. Such is the way of things when the time for reckoning comes.”

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-reckoning
The whole post is a great overview of the history and current state of the conflict.

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 16 2023 18:46 utc | 74

@ Night Tripper, §31:
London wouldn´t have the choice over what to do about Warsaw.
London and Paris would be on the nuclear menu whether they wanted it or not.
That is the danger of throwing nukes around in Europe: there´s not an Atlantic Ocean between Moscow and Paris.
Justpassinby @27 spelled out why Russia nuking anywhere in Europe would turn the world against them and mop up their first strike while America geared up all its nukes. Mafiosi America certainly doesn´t care about Europe – but will then use nukes for itself – and claim the moral high ground for “responding to Russia” nuking Warsaw or Amsterdam or wherever.
Fortunately, Russia is not that stupid. But America seems stupid enough to try provoking it.

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 18:48 utc | 75

@ Night Tripper, §31:
London wouldn´t have the choice over what to do about Warsaw.
London and Paris would be on the nuclear menu whether they wanted it or not.
That is the danger of throwing nukes around in Europe: there´s not an Atlantic Ocean between Moscow and Paris.
Justpassinby @27 spelled out why Russia nuking anywhere in Europe would turn the world against them and mop up their first strike while America geared up all its nukes. Mafiosi America certainly doesn´t care about Europe – but will then use nukes for itself – and claim the moral high ground for “responding to Russia” nuking Warsaw or Amsterdam or wherever.
Fortunately, Russia is not that stupid. But America seems stupid enough to try provoking it.

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 18:48 utc | 76

ref Big Serge current:
“cutting through to the Azov Sea”
Did the US expect Prigoshin and his troops to turn around and attack RU forces?
I can see no other setup that would have had a chance of success.
( IMU Prigoshin was not bought but acted as bait.
realizing this on the US side is IMHO indicated by his not really RU style death)

Posted by: MAKK | Nov 16 2023 19:00 utc | 77

ref Big Serge current:
“cutting through to the Azov Sea”
Did the US expect Prigoshin and his troops to turn around and attack RU forces?
I can see no other setup that would have had a chance of success.
( IMU Prigoshin was not bought but acted as bait.
realizing this on the US side is IMHO indicated by his not really RU style death)

Posted by: MAKK | Nov 16 2023 19:00 utc | 78

Apologies if this link to Indian Ounchline, has been posted before.
It is an excellent summary of the state of the game by MK Bhadrakumar- a constant reminder that not only is our Indian correspondent “antonym” ‘out to lunch’ but that he dines alone
“…Putin said Russian Federation chose to come to terms with the unfair, unjust move by the Soviet leadership to transfer the South Russian lands to Ukraine, but things began to change when the regime in Kiev “started to exterminate everything Russian…, declared that Russians are not an indigenous nation in these lands…, also started dragging this entire territory into NATO – brazenly, without heeding any of our protests, without paying attention to our position, as if we did not exist at all. This is what lies at the centre of the conflict that is taking place today. This is the cause of this conflict .”
“Putin said the choice narrowed down to doing nothing or “stand up in defence of the people living there… we need to do everything we can to ensure that the entry of these territories [into Russian Federation] is smooth, natural, and that people feel the result as quickly as possible.” ….”
https://www.indianpunchline.com/dont-plan-yet-for-ukraine-reconstruction/

Posted by: bevin | Nov 16 2023 19:13 utc | 79

Apologies if this link to Indian Ounchline, has been posted before.
It is an excellent summary of the state of the game by MK Bhadrakumar- a constant reminder that not only is our Indian correspondent “antonym” ‘out to lunch’ but that he dines alone
“…Putin said Russian Federation chose to come to terms with the unfair, unjust move by the Soviet leadership to transfer the South Russian lands to Ukraine, but things began to change when the regime in Kiev “started to exterminate everything Russian…, declared that Russians are not an indigenous nation in these lands…, also started dragging this entire territory into NATO – brazenly, without heeding any of our protests, without paying attention to our position, as if we did not exist at all. This is what lies at the centre of the conflict that is taking place today. This is the cause of this conflict .”
“Putin said the choice narrowed down to doing nothing or “stand up in defence of the people living there… we need to do everything we can to ensure that the entry of these territories [into Russian Federation] is smooth, natural, and that people feel the result as quickly as possible.” ….”
https://www.indianpunchline.com/dont-plan-yet-for-ukraine-reconstruction/

Posted by: bevin | Nov 16 2023 19:13 utc | 80

Islam largely destroyed the Persian religion of Zoroaster but failed against Hinduism and Buddha.
So there´s another significant divide between the Middle East and the Far East.
Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 13:27 utc | 20
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In 1202 they invaded and essentially wiped out Buddhism in India, slaughtering tens of thousands of monks. That story is an exaggeration since Buddhism did remain for centuries after the initial clash, but there is something to it.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 16 2023 19:17 utc | 81

Islam largely destroyed the Persian religion of Zoroaster but failed against Hinduism and Buddha.
So there´s another significant divide between the Middle East and the Far East.
Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 13:27 utc | 20
………………………..
In 1202 they invaded and essentially wiped out Buddhism in India, slaughtering tens of thousands of monks. That story is an exaggeration since Buddhism did remain for centuries after the initial clash, but there is something to it.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 16 2023 19:17 utc | 82

Here, I want to show you what losers the Russian leadership are and why no one takes them seriously. They are still talking about de-dollarizing, threatening to do it, many years after they said they were going to and decades after they should have already completed it if they had any sense. Occasionally I see a Russian article that they’ve de-dollarized, then another one saying they’re going to, yada yada yada. This type of spineless decision-making is why everyone here is rightfully afraid that Russia will cut some pathetic self-defeating deal on Ukraine.
https://www.rt.com/business/587408-russia-venezuela-confirm-dedollarization-plans/

Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 16 2023 19:23 utc | 83

Here, I want to show you what losers the Russian leadership are and why no one takes them seriously. They are still talking about de-dollarizing, threatening to do it, many years after they said they were going to and decades after they should have already completed it if they had any sense. Occasionally I see a Russian article that they’ve de-dollarized, then another one saying they’re going to, yada yada yada. This type of spineless decision-making is why everyone here is rightfully afraid that Russia will cut some pathetic self-defeating deal on Ukraine.
https://www.rt.com/business/587408-russia-venezuela-confirm-dedollarization-plans/

Posted by: ivanislav | Nov 16 2023 19:23 utc | 84

Machine translation sounds odd, I think it should read “Finally (have arrived), the hunters of Gerans …”
In any case, what is depicted is a convoy of pickup trucks, seemingly with the L3Harris VAMPIRE rocket system fitted to the back, which could be used to intercept Gerans.
https://t.me/llordofwar/241414

It’s over, the hunters of Geran (Shahed) suicide drones, according to a Ukrainian source.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:27 utc | 85

Machine translation sounds odd, I think it should read “Finally (have arrived), the hunters of Gerans …”
In any case, what is depicted is a convoy of pickup trucks, seemingly with the L3Harris VAMPIRE rocket system fitted to the back, which could be used to intercept Gerans.
https://t.me/llordofwar/241414

It’s over, the hunters of Geran (Shahed) suicide drones, according to a Ukrainian source.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:27 utc | 86

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/46583

🇷🇺The creator of the Telegram channel “Rybar” (which has long been more than just a telegram channel), Mikhail Zvinchuk, was awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 2nd degree, for his efforts to support the North Military District in Ukraine.
A fully deserved award based on the enormous amount of work done, a significant part of which remains in the shadows.

https://t.me/s/Rybar

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:39 utc | 87

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/46583

🇷🇺The creator of the Telegram channel “Rybar” (which has long been more than just a telegram channel), Mikhail Zvinchuk, was awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 2nd degree, for his efforts to support the North Military District in Ukraine.
A fully deserved award based on the enormous amount of work done, a significant part of which remains in the shadows.

https://t.me/s/Rybar

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:39 utc | 88

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/46583

🇷🇺The creator of the Telegram channel “Rybar” (which has long been more than just a telegram channel), Mikhail Zvinchuk, was awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 2nd degree, for his efforts to support the North Military District in Ukraine.
A fully deserved award based on the enormous amount of work done, a significant part of which remains in the shadows.

https://t.me/s/Rybar

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:39 utc | 89

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/46583

🇷🇺The creator of the Telegram channel “Rybar” (which has long been more than just a telegram channel), Mikhail Zvinchuk, was awarded the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, 2nd degree, for his efforts to support the North Military District in Ukraine.
A fully deserved award based on the enormous amount of work done, a significant part of which remains in the shadows.

https://t.me/s/Rybar

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 19:39 utc | 90

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/its-time-to-end-magical-thinking-about-russias-defeat-f6d0b8de
What strange times we live in – when solid reason replaces delusions, it seems unique, out of place.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2023 19:40 utc | 91

https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/its-time-to-end-magical-thinking-about-russias-defeat-f6d0b8de
What strange times we live in – when solid reason replaces delusions, it seems unique, out of place.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 16 2023 19:40 utc | 92

“Did the US expect Prigoshin and his troops to turn around and attack RU forces?
I can see no other setup that would have had a chance of success.”
Knowing how the Neo-Cons think, yes they did because he took their money.
“( IMU Prigoshin was not bought but acted as bait.
realizing this on the US side is IMHO indicated by his not really RU style death)”
Posted by: MAKK | Nov 16 2023 19:00 utc | 39
Agree, for all his faults, the man was loyal to the land of his birth. Out of necessity he would have contacts with Ukrainian Intelligence to arrange prisoner swaps and return the bodies of deceased soldiers allowing him to play the part of double agent.
Being crude, cruel and clueless there was no way the vindictive fools would let this pass.
Notice how Prigozhin and Zalzhuny’s aide both received gifts of alcohol and had grenades go off?
It will be interesting to read about all the subplots of this war after it is over.
Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | Nov 16 2023 20:02 utc | 93

“Did the US expect Prigoshin and his troops to turn around and attack RU forces?
I can see no other setup that would have had a chance of success.”
Knowing how the Neo-Cons think, yes they did because he took their money.
“( IMU Prigoshin was not bought but acted as bait.
realizing this on the US side is IMHO indicated by his not really RU style death)”
Posted by: MAKK | Nov 16 2023 19:00 utc | 39
Agree, for all his faults, the man was loyal to the land of his birth. Out of necessity he would have contacts with Ukrainian Intelligence to arrange prisoner swaps and return the bodies of deceased soldiers allowing him to play the part of double agent.
Being crude, cruel and clueless there was no way the vindictive fools would let this pass.
Notice how Prigozhin and Zalzhuny’s aide both received gifts of alcohol and had grenades go off?
It will be interesting to read about all the subplots of this war after it is over.
Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | Nov 16 2023 20:02 utc | 94

@ Thomas, §47:
Yup, Prigozhin presumably didn´t realize what a sin it is to double-cross the Mafia . . .

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 20:22 utc | 95

@ Thomas, §47:
Yup, Prigozhin presumably didn´t realize what a sin it is to double-cross the Mafia . . .

Posted by: John Marks | Nov 16 2023 20:22 utc | 96

https://roburie.substack.com/p/article-us-britain-killed-ukraine

Dear Readers,
Below is an important new article on a peace deal that had been negotiated between Ukraine and Russia in March, 2022 (just after the war started) that was ended by the Americans and Brits. The article is the subject of a recent video on The Duran, where I got the link.
In the March 2022 deal, Russia was willing to forfeit claims to Donbas in return for Ukraine agreeing to forego efforts to join NATO. Ukraine would have been incredibly better off to have taken the deal, and apparently Zelensky went to the mat to sell it to the Americans. The theory put forward on The Duran for the failure of the deal is the same that I have been putting forward for two years now—- the Americans wanted a regime-change operation in Russia.
The public position of the US has long been that the Ukrainians control their own destiny with respect to Russia. The broken peace deal proves otherwise. Ukraine is a vassal state of the US and Britain.
The link to the original article can be found directly below.

https://braveneweurope.com/michael-von-der-schulenburg-hajo-funke-harald-kujat-peace-for-ukraine
A good summary of what most barflies have already known since 2022.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 16 2023 21:02 utc | 97

https://roburie.substack.com/p/article-us-britain-killed-ukraine

Dear Readers,
Below is an important new article on a peace deal that had been negotiated between Ukraine and Russia in March, 2022 (just after the war started) that was ended by the Americans and Brits. The article is the subject of a recent video on The Duran, where I got the link.
In the March 2022 deal, Russia was willing to forfeit claims to Donbas in return for Ukraine agreeing to forego efforts to join NATO. Ukraine would have been incredibly better off to have taken the deal, and apparently Zelensky went to the mat to sell it to the Americans. The theory put forward on The Duran for the failure of the deal is the same that I have been putting forward for two years now—- the Americans wanted a regime-change operation in Russia.
The public position of the US has long been that the Ukrainians control their own destiny with respect to Russia. The broken peace deal proves otherwise. Ukraine is a vassal state of the US and Britain.
The link to the original article can be found directly below.

https://braveneweurope.com/michael-von-der-schulenburg-hajo-funke-harald-kujat-peace-for-ukraine
A good summary of what most barflies have already known since 2022.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 16 2023 21:02 utc | 98

It’s sad that I can tell a shadowbanned post now after the first couple of paragraphs.
I do wonder what his game is. After all, I assume Russians have their own information channels in Russian.
So what is the point of either
a) castigating Putin as a tool of the oligarchs, a crypto-Westerner etc etc. We know he STARTED as a tool of the oligarchs, but that was a long time ago, in the post Yeltsin era when no non-tool politicians could or would have survived. I’m sure the oligarchs still have much power, hence perhaps his balancing act vis a vis Israel, but there really is no alternative candidate. If Russia survives I think history will be very appreciative of him.
b) demanding nuclear strikes on Poland – or alternatively on half of Europe.
Hardly anyone reading this is Russian, still less has influence on Russian policy. We’re all, to a greater or lesser extent, friends of Russia, and we can try to influence our own governments, but afaik b doesn’t have a hotline to VVP.
So what’s his game?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 16 2023 21:08 utc | 99

It’s sad that I can tell a shadowbanned post now after the first couple of paragraphs.
I do wonder what his game is. After all, I assume Russians have their own information channels in Russian.
So what is the point of either
a) castigating Putin as a tool of the oligarchs, a crypto-Westerner etc etc. We know he STARTED as a tool of the oligarchs, but that was a long time ago, in the post Yeltsin era when no non-tool politicians could or would have survived. I’m sure the oligarchs still have much power, hence perhaps his balancing act vis a vis Israel, but there really is no alternative candidate. If Russia survives I think history will be very appreciative of him.
b) demanding nuclear strikes on Poland – or alternatively on half of Europe.
Hardly anyone reading this is Russian, still less has influence on Russian policy. We’re all, to a greater or lesser extent, friends of Russia, and we can try to influence our own governments, but afaik b doesn’t have a hotline to VVP.
So what’s his game?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Nov 16 2023 21:08 utc | 100