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November 9, 2023
Ukraine Open Thread 2023-266
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Ukraine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Posted by: Mario | Nov 10 2023 15:25 utc | 83 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 10 2023 20:46 utc | 201 Posted by: Mario | Nov 10 2023 15:25 utc | 83 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 10 2023 20:46 utc | 202 My thoughts – Posted by: newbie | Nov 10 2023 21:38 utc | 203 My thoughts – Posted by: newbie | Nov 10 2023 21:38 utc | 204 Posted by: gT | Nov 10 2023 19:27 utc | 97 Posted by: Milites | Nov 10 2023 21:39 utc | 205 Posted by: gT | Nov 10 2023 19:27 utc | 97 Posted by: Milites | Nov 10 2023 21:39 utc | 206 Let’s come down to earth. Let’s not talk only about wishes and desires. We have dozens of experts who are already burying the Ukrainian Armed Forces and driving an aspen stake into the coffin of Ukronazism, changing in batches. Like cluster munitions, they are inserted into these TV channels, and they hammer from morning to night, actually misinforming the viewer. This is not what we need to talk about. It is necessary to say that it is time to become a military camp and prepare for a long confrontation. Posted by: newbie | Nov 10 2023 21:42 utc | 207 Let’s come down to earth. Let’s not talk only about wishes and desires. We have dozens of experts who are already burying the Ukrainian Armed Forces and driving an aspen stake into the coffin of Ukronazism, changing in batches. Like cluster munitions, they are inserted into these TV channels, and they hammer from morning to night, actually misinforming the viewer. This is not what we need to talk about. It is necessary to say that it is time to become a military camp and prepare for a long confrontation. Posted by: newbie | Nov 10 2023 21:42 utc | 208 Posted by: Milites | Nov 10 2023 17:29 utc | 89 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 10 2023 22:16 utc | 209 Posted by: Milites | Nov 10 2023 17:29 utc | 89 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 10 2023 22:16 utc | 210 Like another poster said, this is going to go on for YEARS. Ukraine just wrecked two more Russian ships that were carrying troops and arms. What a clusterfxxk. Posted by: bored | Nov 10 2023 22:25 utc | 211 Like another poster said, this is going to go on for YEARS. Ukraine just wrecked two more Russian ships that were carrying troops and arms. What a clusterfxxk. Posted by: bored | Nov 10 2023 22:25 utc | 212 Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 20:04 utc | 26
Here can stop to read the rest What nonsense. Posted by: theo | Nov 10 2023 23:09 utc | 215 Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 20:04 utc | 26
Here can stop to read the rest What nonsense. Posted by: theo | Nov 10 2023 23:09 utc | 216 reply to 26 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 11 2023 1:14 utc | 217 reply to 26 Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 11 2023 1:14 utc | 218 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Nov 11 2023 2:05 utc | 219 Some videos for today. Posted by: Nate | Nov 11 2023 2:05 utc | 220 The Outlaw US Empire can print billons of dollars but it doesn’t produce anything for those dollars to purchase, and the same is true within the EU–the Merchants of Death are unable to deliver because they’d rather hoard profits and see their stock price rise than produce. That’s Neoliberalism 101. What was on hand is now being diverted to the Zionsists to promote their Genocidal efforts. Seems Hamas further proved NATO to be a paper tiger of very limited ability. It has no problem attacking defenseless underwater pipelines and unarmed civilians, but it fails when confronted by well-armed disciplined opposition. The Outlaw US Empire can print billons of dollars but it doesn’t produce anything for those dollars to purchase, and the same is true within the EU–the Merchants of Death are unable to deliver because they’d rather hoard profits and see their stock price rise than produce. That’s Neoliberalism 101. What was on hand is now being diverted to the Zionsists to promote their Genocidal efforts. Seems Hamas further proved NATO to be a paper tiger of very limited ability. It has no problem attacking defenseless underwater pipelines and unarmed civilians, but it fails when confronted by well-armed disciplined opposition. Moody’s has posted their concern over America’s debt, and the Biden administration spokesgoons rushed forward to sassure the markets that their administration was going to cut spending. Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 11 2023 2:42 utc | 223 Moody’s has posted their concern over America’s debt, and the Biden administration spokesgoons rushed forward to sassure the markets that their administration was going to cut spending. Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 11 2023 2:42 utc | 224 I have tried to estimate how long time the war in Ukraine can continue. Posted by: HBx | Nov 11 2023 3:21 utc | 225 I have tried to estimate how long time the war in Ukraine can continue. Posted by: HBx | Nov 11 2023 3:21 utc | 226 HBx | Nov 11 2023 3:21 utc | 112 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2023 3:34 utc | 227 HBx | Nov 11 2023 3:21 utc | 112 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 11 2023 3:34 utc | 228 @HBx | Nov 11 2023 3:21 utc | 112 Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 11 2023 4:48 utc | 229 @HBx | Nov 11 2023 3:21 utc | 112 Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 11 2023 4:48 utc | 230
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 11 2023 4:53 utc | 231
Posted by: MiniMO | Nov 11 2023 4:53 utc | 232
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/73130 Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2023 5:20 utc | 233
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/73130 Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2023 5:20 utc | 234 @Milites | Nov 10 2023 21:39 utc | 102 Posted by: gT | Nov 11 2023 5:45 utc | 235 @Milites | Nov 10 2023 21:39 utc | 102 Posted by: gT | Nov 11 2023 5:45 utc | 236 Fallout From Catastrophic Ukraine Depleted Uranium Explosion Reached England (Sputnikglobe) by Dr. Christopher Busby. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 11 2023 7:13 utc | 237 Fallout From Catastrophic Ukraine Depleted Uranium Explosion Reached England (Sputnikglobe) by Dr. Christopher Busby. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 11 2023 7:13 utc | 238 Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2023 5:20 utc | 117 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 9:03 utc | 239 Posted by: Down South | Nov 11 2023 5:20 utc | 117 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 9:03 utc | 240 Military summary: Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2023 9:18 utc | 241 Military summary: Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2023 9:18 utc | 242 @ gT, §118: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 11 2023 11:51 utc | 243 @ gT, §118: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 11 2023 11:51 utc | 244 @The Pessimist Posted by: HBx | Nov 11 2023 12:32 utc | 245 @The Pessimist Posted by: HBx | Nov 11 2023 12:32 utc | 246 With the discussion around drones in warfare, and as someone with no military background (other than an involuntary participation in rotc my first two years in a Christian high school) I have what many of you will consider a very basic question. With all the high tech weaponry that has been developed and deployed on the battlefield, why hasn’t a light, possibly shoulder mounted anti-drone launcher been made in numbers, a system that could detect and close on a small, slow, low-flying object and take it out of the sky? Probably a system with a base detection unit that could connect to one or more portable firing devices. I know that Russia has something in the works but it seems that such a system should have been developed some time ago. I’ve watched enough videos of a drone dropping grenades into a trench full of soldiers. Posted by: Mike R | Nov 11 2023 13:48 utc | 247 With the discussion around drones in warfare, and as someone with no military background (other than an involuntary participation in rotc my first two years in a Christian high school) I have what many of you will consider a very basic question. With all the high tech weaponry that has been developed and deployed on the battlefield, why hasn’t a light, possibly shoulder mounted anti-drone launcher been made in numbers, a system that could detect and close on a small, slow, low-flying object and take it out of the sky? Probably a system with a base detection unit that could connect to one or more portable firing devices. I know that Russia has something in the works but it seems that such a system should have been developed some time ago. I’ve watched enough videos of a drone dropping grenades into a trench full of soldiers. Posted by: Mike R | Nov 11 2023 13:48 utc | 248 Beyond the military front, it is looking very bad for Ukraine on the financial front. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 11 2023 17:46 utc | 249 Beyond the military front, it is looking very bad for Ukraine on the financial front. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 11 2023 17:46 utc | 250 Military Summary has been emphasizing an aspect of drone warfare recently that hasn’t received as much attention as the advances in drone technology – EW denial of airspace. Not only is it important to have competent teams of drone operators, but it is equally important to deny your opponent’s drones access to the airspace over your own frontline positions and at depth to prevent attacks on covering artillery and logistical trains. Russia has such equipment, but apparently not in sufficient quantities to cover all important areas along the front. Same goes for Ukraine of course. This is apparently on of the issues in Kherson and along the Dnipr where the UAF has been able to attack artillery positions and logistic centers in the rear. Some of the problem is also western ISR guided HIMARS strikes which continue to be difficult to suppress. Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 11 2023 18:16 utc | 251 Military Summary has been emphasizing an aspect of drone warfare recently that hasn’t received as much attention as the advances in drone technology – EW denial of airspace. Not only is it important to have competent teams of drone operators, but it is equally important to deny your opponent’s drones access to the airspace over your own frontline positions and at depth to prevent attacks on covering artillery and logistical trains. Russia has such equipment, but apparently not in sufficient quantities to cover all important areas along the front. Same goes for Ukraine of course. This is apparently on of the issues in Kherson and along the Dnipr where the UAF has been able to attack artillery positions and logistic centers in the rear. Some of the problem is also western ISR guided HIMARS strikes which continue to be difficult to suppress. Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 11 2023 18:16 utc | 252 RUAF identified a large cache of AFU trucks near Kherson (using X-rays). Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2023 19:07 utc | 253 RUAF identified a large cache of AFU trucks near Kherson (using X-rays). Posted by: unimperator | Nov 11 2023 19:07 utc | 254 Here’s some info on the localised problems RF is having near Kherson. Seems like a big factor was the commander being well below par but, at that level, it’s hard to imagine there was anyone who didn’t know the guy was no good before this debacle.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 19:32 utc | 255 Here’s some info on the localised problems RF is having near Kherson. Seems like a big factor was the commander being well below par but, at that level, it’s hard to imagine there was anyone who didn’t know the guy was no good before this debacle.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 19:32 utc | 256 thanks bevin. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 11 2023 19:39 utc | 257 thanks bevin. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 11 2023 19:39 utc | 258 A critical assessment of the latest attack on Sevastopol and resulting losses. There’s no point glossing over this sort of thing, these high value assets are almost being given away to novel attacks.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 19:44 utc | 259 A critical assessment of the latest attack on Sevastopol and resulting losses. There’s no point glossing over this sort of thing, these high value assets are almost being given away to novel attacks.
Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 19:44 utc | 260 @anon2020 #128
Posted by: S | Nov 11 2023 20:11 utc | 261 @anon2020 #128
Posted by: S | Nov 11 2023 20:11 utc | 262 Amanda Sloat, the architect of U.S. President Joe Biden’s Europe policy, is ending her time at the National Security Council, leaving the administration amid deep uncertainties about Ukraine’s future. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 11 2023 20:24 utc | 265 Amanda Sloat, the architect of U.S. President Joe Biden’s Europe policy, is ending her time at the National Security Council, leaving the administration amid deep uncertainties about Ukraine’s future. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 11 2023 20:24 utc | 266 Posted by: S | Nov 11 2023 20:13 utc | 132 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 21:05 utc | 267 Posted by: S | Nov 11 2023 20:13 utc | 132 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 21:05 utc | 268 The Nordstream case can be closed, Zaluzhny and some other guy are behind it: Posted by: Zet | Nov 11 2023 22:57 utc | 269 The Nordstream case can be closed, Zaluzhny and some other guy are behind it: Posted by: Zet | Nov 11 2023 22:57 utc | 270 Mr. Martyanov just made a video on the crimes of Amanda Sloane Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 11 2023 23:54 utc | 271 Mr. Martyanov just made a video on the crimes of Amanda Sloane Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 11 2023 23:54 utc | 272 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 21:05 utc | 134
Everyone wrote about several months how Prigozhin and Lotus (А.О.Елизаров) are inseparable. Where Lotus is there is also Prigo. Where Prigo is there is also Lotus. Siamese Twins. It was said that they even slept in the same bed, they were also said to have eaten from the same plate and they were also said the have shared evry day a toothbrush. However, as Prigo planned to leave for Moscow, Lotus was probably just on the toilet and missed the plan and the departure. Posted by: theo | Nov 12 2023 1:15 utc | 273 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 11 2023 21:05 utc | 134
Everyone wrote about several months how Prigozhin and Lotus (А.О.Елизаров) are inseparable. Where Lotus is there is also Prigo. Where Prigo is there is also Lotus. Siamese Twins. It was said that they even slept in the same bed, they were also said to have eaten from the same plate and they were also said the have shared evry day a toothbrush. However, as Prigo planned to leave for Moscow, Lotus was probably just on the toilet and missed the plan and the departure. Posted by: theo | Nov 12 2023 1:15 utc | 274 @ theo | Nov 12 2023 1:15 utc | 137 Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 12 2023 4:29 utc | 275 @ theo | Nov 12 2023 1:15 utc | 137 Posted by: John Kennard | Nov 12 2023 4:29 utc | 276 Posted by: theo | Nov 12 2023 1:15 utc | 137 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 12 2023 7:37 utc | 277 Posted by: theo | Nov 12 2023 1:15 utc | 137 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 12 2023 7:37 utc | 278 While the Russian forces in the Ukraine conflict are definitely more efficient at killing their opponents with a like 10:1 casualty ratio in Russia’s favour, all the comments detailing Russian stupidity really rankle because sometimes the Russians are really brain deficient. Ok, the Ukies will likely never be able to cross the Dnieper in Kherson region with tanks and artillery so its an irrelevant region from a military point of view, but that does not excuse the Russian troop’s lack of nifty toys like EW systems, drones and counter-battery weapons in that region. Even worse, the Russians know that the Ukie drones are operating over the region and that the Ukie artillery is quite accurate yet the Russians go and do stupid things like bunching 7 trucks together to get shelled senseless. A more reasonable approach would have been to send the trucks separately with like 30 minute intervals between them at night with no stopping allowed except at the undercover parking area at the destination but no, the Russians will send them out in convoy during daylight hours and then get them all to stop together in the middle of the road in plain sight of the Ukie artillery guiding drones. Even the Ukies do most of their supply runs and troop movement with individual civilian vehicles not in convoy at night, the Russians should really learn from their enemies. Posted by: gT | Nov 12 2023 7:48 utc | 279 While the Russian forces in the Ukraine conflict are definitely more efficient at killing their opponents with a like 10:1 casualty ratio in Russia’s favour, all the comments detailing Russian stupidity really rankle because sometimes the Russians are really brain deficient. Ok, the Ukies will likely never be able to cross the Dnieper in Kherson region with tanks and artillery so its an irrelevant region from a military point of view, but that does not excuse the Russian troop’s lack of nifty toys like EW systems, drones and counter-battery weapons in that region. Even worse, the Russians know that the Ukie drones are operating over the region and that the Ukie artillery is quite accurate yet the Russians go and do stupid things like bunching 7 trucks together to get shelled senseless. A more reasonable approach would have been to send the trucks separately with like 30 minute intervals between them at night with no stopping allowed except at the undercover parking area at the destination but no, the Russians will send them out in convoy during daylight hours and then get them all to stop together in the middle of the road in plain sight of the Ukie artillery guiding drones. Even the Ukies do most of their supply runs and troop movement with individual civilian vehicles not in convoy at night, the Russians should really learn from their enemies. Posted by: gT | Nov 12 2023 7:48 utc | 280 … the number of mercenaries/NATO troops in the Ukrainian army must be astronomical. Posted by: smuks | Nov 12 2023 8:23 utc | 281 … the number of mercenaries/NATO troops in the Ukrainian army must be astronomical. Posted by: smuks | Nov 12 2023 8:23 utc | 282 Military summary: Posted by: unimperator | Nov 12 2023 9:32 utc | 283 Military summary: Posted by: unimperator | Nov 12 2023 9:32 utc | 284 Posted by: gT | Nov 11 2023 5:45 utc | 118 Posted by: Milites | Nov 12 2023 9:39 utc | 285 Posted by: gT | Nov 11 2023 5:45 utc | 118 Posted by: Milites | Nov 12 2023 9:39 utc | 286 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 10 2023 20:46 utc | 101 Posted by: Mario | Nov 12 2023 10:02 utc | 287 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 10 2023 20:46 utc | 101 Posted by: Mario | Nov 12 2023 10:02 utc | 288 Posted by: Mario | Nov 12 2023 10:02 utc | 144 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 12 2023 10:37 utc | 289 Posted by: Mario | Nov 12 2023 10:02 utc | 144 Posted by: unimperator | Nov 12 2023 10:37 utc | 290 @ unimperator, §145: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 12 2023 11:24 utc | 291 @ unimperator, §145: Posted by: John Marks | Nov 12 2023 11:24 utc | 292 @Milites | Nov 12 2023 9:39 utc | 143 Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 11:44 utc | 293 @Milites | Nov 12 2023 9:39 utc | 143 Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 11:44 utc | 294 147 “They always needed a long, painfully slow war to exhaust the willingnes of Western, especially European, public opinions, to deplete NATO arsenals, to drain Western financial resources.” – And it’s the only way to learn how to fight against western tactics and equippement successfully. Well done, NATO. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 12 2023 12:35 utc | 295 147 “They always needed a long, painfully slow war to exhaust the willingnes of Western, especially European, public opinions, to deplete NATO arsenals, to drain Western financial resources.” – And it’s the only way to learn how to fight against western tactics and equippement successfully. Well done, NATO. Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 12 2023 12:35 utc | 296 Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 11:44 utc | 147 Posted by: Milites | Nov 12 2023 12:35 utc | 297 Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 11:44 utc | 147 Posted by: Milites | Nov 12 2023 12:35 utc | 298 “There is another problem, too. The US treasury auctions are starting to fail. Fitch just downgraded their credit outlook to negative. Yellen has responded by piling into T-bills for short term funding needs but there are limits to this mathematically; a debt spiral and exponential runaway debt scenario cannot be ruled out.” “There is another problem, too. The US treasury auctions are starting to fail. Fitch just downgraded their credit outlook to negative. Yellen has responded by piling into T-bills for short term funding needs but there are limits to this mathematically; a debt spiral and exponential runaway debt scenario cannot be ruled out.” |
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