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November 21, 2023
There Are Certain Things I Can Not Write About

I have tried to write about Gaza. But I am too aghast, outraged and depressed to create a sensible piece.

So instead of coming up with something by myself I will leave you with a few links:

There is certainly more. But the above are the better ones of those pieces I have read.

Posted by b on November 21, 2023 at 15:54 UTC | Permalink
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That Lebanese MoU sounds like a coup in disguise and nothing the Army could just sign. Another British protectorate?

Posted by: SOS | Nov 21 2023 20:12 utc | 101

“All these events, in fact, are a direct consequence of the United States’ desire to monopolize Mediation in the Palestinian-Israeli settlement and blockade activities of the Middle East “quartet” of international Intermediaries.”
karlof1(17)
What Putin did not explicitly say is what jaye (81) said:
“Israel’s “diplomatic Iron Dome” is the US Congress. The political cover it provides is unassailable”
The complete end of Zionist control over the United States must be the outcome of this conflict, for the good of the entire world including the people of the USA. Any outcome short of that will continue the endless conflicts and ultimately result in the destruction of the world.

Posted by: Ciaran | Nov 21 2023 20:13 utc | 102

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/21/invoking-the-genocide-convention-against-israel/
Sam Husseini suggests ways global outrage can be harnessed to help induce a country to invoke the Genocide Convention against Israel at the International Court of Justice.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 21 2023 20:14 utc | 103

When does Israeli genocide become a holocaust as it is the systematic state-sponsored persecution and murder of million of people who just happen to be Muslim?
Posted by: Bill | Nov 21 2023 19:44 utc | 92
When the Arab sheiks spend enough coin to take over major Western Media outlets. I see a story today about UAE ‘investors’ financing a bid on a bankrupt British legacy media , the Telegragh, and the STOP THE BUS sign was just flashed by the Lords of the loo.
“The Telegraph sale: The UAE bid is a risk to press freedom ”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/telegraph-sale-uae-bid-risk-press-freedom

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 20:17 utc | 104

Can you comment on the possibility that Pentagon Officers and Washington Politicians might be dragged into War Crimes indictments based on Command Respondibility ? ( and not by the ICC but by another court )
War crimes have no statute of limitations…..
Posted by: Exile | Nov 21 2023 19:51 utc | 93
So far all I’ve heard of on the US side is this one against Pedo Joe, Blinky, Austin
https://ccrjustice.org/sites/default/files/attach/2023/11/Complaint_DCI-Pal-v-Biden_w.pdf
The Center for Constitutional Rights’ (CCR) complaint on behalf of several Palestinian groups and individuals alleges that Israel’s actions, including “mass killings”, the targeting of civilian infrastructure and forced expulsions, amount to genocide. The CCR said that the 1948 international convention against genocide requires the US and other countries to use their power and influence to stop the killing.
The lawsuit, filed in federal court in California, asks the court to bar the US from providing weapons, money and diplomatic support to Israel. It also seeks a declaration that the president, the secretary of state, Antony Blinken, and the defence secretary, Lloyd Austin, are required “to take all measures within their power to prevent Israel’s commission of genocidal acts against the Palestinian people of Gaza”. These include pressing Israel to end the bombing of Gaza, to lift its siege of the territory and to prevent the forcible expulsion of Palestinians…
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/palestinian-victims-voice-at-icc-french-lawyer-denounces-israeli-genocide-in-gaza/3055588
These are the French lawyers trying to take Satanyahoo to the ICC.
https://www.africanews.com/2023/11/21/south-africa-calls-on-icc-to-arrest-netanyahu/
But still nothing as per Craig Murray’s suggestion that the Geneva Convention should be invoked for genocide and taken to the ICJ, not ICC.

Posted by: pq | Nov 21 2023 20:18 utc | 105

BRICS gathering led to nothing…
China gathering led to nothing…
Another refugee camp bombed…
“Hostage deal”… blah blah
Feel the same as -B-
Law of the jungle pervades globally… unknown tipping point, an “unknown” rage coming.
Folks have had it.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 21 2023 17:52 utc | 50
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is destroying himself”
Sun Tzu : Napoleon said roughly the same thing.
FUKUS is doing that right now.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 21 2023 20:19 utc | 106

Exile | Nov 21 2023 19:51 utc | 93–
You sort of answered your own question. There’s open jurisdiction for such crimes–any court can prosecute, which means any nation can arrest. Russia has already shown how such a system functions as it holds trials, convicts and sentences people daily for their crimes in Ukraine and Russia.
Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2023 19:53 utc | 94–
I know things are happening behind the scenes; it’s their timidity I’m calling out. The first comment to my new article made the comparison between today and 1938 Munich agreement to allow for the annexation of Czechoslovakia by Hitlerian Germany. Here’s the exchange:

Johann Goergen: Every country on earth with a conscience needs to put a trade embargo on Israel. Else they might be next, especially if they do not have the deterrence of deliverable nuclear weapons. Yellow actions like “condemnation”, “closing embassies”, “expelling diplomats” and other “strong language” do not cut it anymore. This is akin to Nazi Germany invading Czechoslovakia in 1939 setting the stage for a much bigger conflict. But, of course, nobody really cares about the brown Palestinian people. Now, if these were blond, blue-eyed folks things might be different.
Me: It must be all of the above. Of course, we know Hitlerian Germany could’ve been stopped well before 1938, but as with now no action was taken to enforce the mandates; Germany was allowed to do as it pleased. The same happened with the Minsk Accords–the mandates were not enforced. There are too many intelligent people who know genuine history but have allowed the same occurrence to happen a second and third time–they can’t be blamed for WW2 as they weren’t present, but what’s happening now is partly their fault for not demanding action, instead of requesting it. And that’s where we’re at now–requesting rather than demanding.

And then there’s the info that Stonebird has added @95. So many of the Arab states are hostage because they’re effectively occupied with only the Iraqis doing anything about it. And yes, the West backs the Genocide because the root of the issue once again is control of the Oil Lands because the West lacks that resource and will become desperate for it by 2030. But even that aspect of the crisis is being blanketed with only Hudson, myself and Escobar bringing it into play.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 20:20 utc | 107

< "There is no such thing anymore as an international order or an international law. All bridges to those ideas and to the international "institutions" are broken." Posted by: Naive | Nov 21 2023 17:19 utc | 38"> I believe that these “bridges” & “institutions” (above) are vibrantly alive and active; and that, you see, is *exactly why* the Bosses are so terribly frightened today, “hour by hour”.–Ben Trovata”

Posted by: Ben Trovata | Nov 21 2023 20:25 utc | 108

“There Are Certain Things I Can Not Write About”
Living in a western country where even wearing a Palestinian scarf is considered to be a crime, your limitations are understandable.

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 21 2023 20:27 utc | 109

Use your head, karl. Note Peter’s reminders about strategy vs emotional thinking. If this turns out as anything more than SSDD it will be a long haul and we need people like you.

Posted by: Rae | Nov 21 2023 20:29 utc | 110

One needn’t observe events after Oct 7 to realize the depravity of the state of Israel.
I just found out that Israel banned high calorie food in Gaza for a long time. The reason is to “prevent terrorism by weakening the human body”.
The poor Gazans had to smuggle cookies, KFC and other high calorie food from Egypt using tunnels.
Truly heinous.
My personal opinion, the Gazan holocaust is actually worse than the Nazi holocaust.
If these two were my only options, I’d rather take the quick death in the gas chambers breathing cyclone b than live my entire life as a malnourished, near starved Gazan entrapped in an open air prison.
Comparing Netanyahu to Hitler is an insult to Hitler.
If anyone denies there is a Gazan holocaust just ask Israel – what do Gazan civilians need to do if they want to live?
Can’t leave Gaza because Hamas is shooting civilians who leave (whether that’s true or not, that’s what Israel claims)
Can’t stay in their homes because Hamas will convert their homes to bases (Again, true or not, Israel believes this). Israel will bomb their homes killing both Hamas and the civilians.
Can’t ask Hamas to leave because the Hamas “human animals” will shoot them.
So what is it that the Gazan need to do to live?
If you put all the claims of Israel, there is no choice a Gazan civilian could take that will keep them alive.
Truly heinous.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Nov 21 2023 20:31 utc | 111

that realization apparently needs to be pounded into the heads of BRICS+ and the Global Majority.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 16:31 utc | 17
That presumes that the ‘realization’ is an obscure matter apparent to a few and these laggards of world leadership need vigorous schooling from these few seers.
Simple humble logic tell us that if the individuals in this forum grok this then surely the great leaders of these stalwart nations get the picture too.
So why not.
1: Talk is cheap. There is fear of confrontation from some quarter. Let’s play dumb and ignore calls to pound sense to us. “This too shall pass”
2: Money talks bullshit walks. Well, jeez, we really aren’t against the global order. We just want our fair share of the loot and a seat at the high table reflecting our great nation status. All this talk of “bigger war” makes our investors in the planned projects very nervous. Can we all please calm down?
3: Trepidation due to cloud of war. They are not confident that they have appraised the geo strategic implications (and instigators) of this matter.
4: Deals are being Made. It’s not fear (1) since there was never a question of confronting. “It’s good to be rich” you know. And the matter of their subject populations finally cottoning to their b.s. “resistance” (2) is also a non-issue since modern police technologies (available to all) is rather effective and total control of media does wonder. It is not (3) either since as mentioned, there was no desire to confront at all. Heck, we were all in “accord” just a few weeks ago.
5: Tactical quiet before storm. n-D chess masters at work. Be quiet little pepple – soon we shall unleash a storm ….. oh wait that was last month.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 21 2023 20:33 utc | 112

Trubind1 | Nov 21 2023 20:10 utc | 101–
Your frustration and angst is shared by me and many more. Fortunately I have an outlet where I can express all that besides MoA. Russia and China talk about their responsibility as permanent UNSC members to act responsibly and do what’s needed to keep the peace. But we’ve gone well beyond the point where talk can do any good by a good month and the circumstances now call for forceful action that will require the use of force to make the Zionists halt their Genocide. It seems Raisi and MbS both understand that; Sisi’s words I haven’t found nor those of Lula or Modi. The BRICS+ Chair said clearly Genocide is happening and his government has petitioned the ICC to arrest Netanyahu for Genocide, and others are following South Africa’s lead. Yes, more needs to be done today, but will it?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 20:36 utc | 113

@31 “Both my parents during ages 10-15 witnessed some horrific events during WWII Europe. It effected their lives forever.”
If you know anything about psychotherapy, you know that the victims of such abominations are not the only ones to suffer. The perpatuators are scarred too, although it seldom shows very much with them. Where psychopathology turns up with terrible effect, is with their descendents. The children, & grandchildren of all those IDF soliders currently slaughtering palestinians, of those Israelis and westerners currently supporting / encouraging genocide. They will pay a terrible price. They will have neurosis, psychosis, psychosomatic disorders, nightmares, depression, violent outbursts, addictions… These issues will take decades to appear, but will nevertheless wreck havock with whole generations.
In a sense, you can see something similar already happening in the USA, with its widespread addiction problems (food, fentanyl…) as a long term consequence of the widespread havock they, their financiers and their military have been wrecking on the world for generations now.

Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 21 2023 20:39 utc | 114

Israel has indicted over 50 citizens for social media posts deemed sympathetic to Palestinians. Democracy in the Middle East comes at a price!

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 21 2023 20:40 utc | 115

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 20:17 utc | 105
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The battles that matter aren’t conducted via the Western press. The governments of the West don’t listen to their citizens (a by-product of democratic abstraction).
As Russia has demonstrated in Ukraine technology, and economics are much more powerful levers today than public opinion.
The Zionists (inside and outside of Israel) have shown no sense of concern for how they are perceived or of any potential future legal consequences.
In my mind, it comes down to whether or not these public actions are for catharsis, or if they are actually meant to help the Palestinians in a meaningful way. Today virtue signaling has replaced effective virtuous action.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2023 20:40 utc | 116

Posted by: pq | Nov 21 2023 19:38 utc | 91
Boer war 2.0.
The ghost of Kitchener rides with the 4 horses
Death, Famine, War, and Conquest.
Wrought unto people kind by ‘the most moral army in the world’ and very very good friends. Bum buddies to the end.
Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 20:04 utc | 99
Lord Kitchener (the bastard drowned in 1916)invented the modern prisoner camp. The British were losing the Boer war as the Boers knew the terrain, were excellent mobile horsemen with great marksmanship. So old Kitchener put the men’s wives and children in concentration camps and the newly invented barb wire everywhere to stop the Boer mobility-it worked.
My father in law is a Hungarian (still alive at 95) . He was a bastard son of a Duke. He said they buried the food at their manse when the Germans came in 41 and the Germans were awful. Two years later he was a spotter watching Rossokovsy’s Russian army cross the Danube at Budapest. He said the last 20 metres of the bridge were dead Russian soldiers as the German artillery was very good and if the Russians retreated their Captains would shoot them with a pistol.
When The Russians came in 44 they were worse than the Germans.
My father in law , Julius, then fled to Yugoslavia and worked as a pig butcher on the line. He did like 33 pigs a day and was awarded Communist “Worker of the Month” ,and had some press. The Yugos found out he was Hungarian and put him in a refugee camp.
There was so little food there his teeth would fall out-he was there 2 years. The camp was run by the British. Julius says many, many times (at his age he repeats a lot) the Germans were bad, the Russians were worse but the British were pure evil.
Louis B. Mayer , a Jew of course, spent $10MM in 1948 to take everyone out of the refugee camp by boat to come to Canada , New Zealand or Australia -the US wouldn’t allow them.
I wouldn’t have my wife , my two boys or my 6 month year old grandson if it wasn’t for Louis B. Mayer-please remember there are many good Jews.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 21 2023 20:42 utc | 117

Anyways, that’s why I’m “bitter”.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 21 2023 20:10 utc | 101
Nothing positive can be expected from the US when the Majority Leader in the Senate declares himself “a guardian of Israel”
See Chuck Schumer proudly state this on video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh8rpFTVBuM
Many countries don’t even allow dual citizens to hold public office, but in the US allegiance to another country appears to be something not only to be proud of, but celebrated too.
I wonder what the reaction to a Mexican born rep might be if he circulated a video extolling Mexico and his fealty to it?
https://www.jta.org/2021/01/11/politics/here-are-the-36-jewish-members-of-congress

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 20:43 utc | 118

I think it’s time for me to deliver some hard, cold, pitiless truth bombs.
Lesson #1 : nobody cares whether you are outraged, depressed, angry, or how well you eloquently spill your guts on the Internet. The world at large is indifferent. Writing blog posts or comments has no actual effect on the global course of things.
What matters is power. Either you have it, or you don’t. If you don’t have it, simply wailing and crying after the powerful won’t do jack. Either you seize power, or you remain powerless. That’s it, that’s the great lesson of life. No freebies, no consolation prize. The world is a cold, deaf place, and sometimes it does come down to : kill or be killed.
The lesson applies for Palestinians. Please don’t take this as a manifestation of cruelty, or indifference, but : they are on their own. If the arab world at large or some powerful ally doesn’t step up, it’s purely a contest of strenght or will. Morality doesn’t come into play here. It’s a number and technology games, that’s all. And maybe the Palestinians will go down and be dispersed, just as happend to countless other ethnicities since the beginning of time.
It’s useless to epitomize over all this. The world is not moral. The very notion of morality is a fiction in the field of world politics. It’s a question of interests and allies. If the Palestinians do not manage to find common interests with a powerful ally, they will disappear. Such was the case since human first gathered into tribes.
You may feel it’s unjust, cruel, whatever, but you have to face the cold reality. The world does not care. This giant big bowl of earth, water, gas, trundling into space, covered with these billions of strange creatures scampering over its surface, does not care for abstract notions of justice, morality, and so on.
It all comes down to who’s the strongest.

Posted by: Micron | Nov 21 2023 20:45 utc | 119

https://www.timesofisrael.com/1000-boats-said-set-to-leave-turkey-for-gaza-waters-in-new-freedom-flotilla/
This looks interesting and maybe practical.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 21 2023 20:48 utc | 120

Thank you, b, for the bar and for your continuous effort to retain it as one of the best forums for exchange of ideas on the internet.
Thanks also to all the barflies for your constant wealth of ideas and experiences that is the best drink on the menu.
Peter, the Empire does indeed strike back, with a menace, but this only shows the real threat it is facing. Its actions are spasmodic. It has already faced defeat in Ukraine; it will lose this one as well. The tides are turning.
Yes, after the Cavalry is the Resurrection, well said, hispanidad!

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 21 2023 20:48 utc | 121

B, Thank you very much for reading these articles and sharing them. Hard and heartbreaking work just reading other people’s stuff.
All the best to you and the one you love, take care of your mental health, not easy these days!
SlavaLira

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 21 2023 20:53 utc | 122

Take some time out B
No one can or should do bad news 24/7

Posted by: PalmaSailor | Nov 21 2023 20:53 utc | 123

Israel is winning and it’s driving the Anti-Semites insane with impotent rage!!!
Heheheh…

Posted by: Never Again! | Nov 21 2023 20:54 utc | 124

Modi, predictably, skipped the BRICS+ meeting.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 21 2023 20:54 utc | 125

Micron | Nov 21 2023 20:45 utc | 120–
Hobbes speaks. And Thatcher too.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 20:56 utc | 126

Pundita, 21/11, 6.21 pm GMT (c.64) …Judge Napolitano interviews Jeffrey Sachs on Sachs’ testimony before UN Security Council yesterday. Advise you listen to the testimony (14 minutes at YouTube) before the interview.
Thanks for the warning. I shall lock myself in a dark, sachs-proof room for the duration. Or better still, take an unplugged walk in the woods.
There is already enough doing the rounds to make one vomit-level sick to the core without this smarmy so-and-so’s pearls of wisdom, the very model of unapologetic shamelessness. The best thing Sachs can do after he has washed the feet of at least a thousand Russian orphans is to retire to a cave somewhere and contemplate his, er, shortcomings.

Posted by: petra | Nov 21 2023 20:58 utc | 127

“Comparing Netanyahu to Hitler is an insult to Hitler.”
Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Nov 21 2023 20:31 utc | 112
You get my vote for best line of the week!

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 21 2023 21:02 utc | 128

” Modi, predictably, skipped the BRICS+ meeting.
Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 21 2023 20:54 utc | 126 ”
Not only that, the statement coming out of the BRICS meeting was impotent and disappointing to say the least.

Posted by: Moonie | Nov 21 2023 21:04 utc | 129

” “There Are Certain Things I Can Not Write About”
Living in a western country where even wearing a Palestinian scarf is considered to be a crime, your limitations are understandable.
Posted by: Framarz | Nov 21 2023 20:27 utc | 110 ”
I’m sure he was referencing a certain tribal group, not the Palestinians .

Posted by: Moonie | Nov 21 2023 21:09 utc | 130

Micron | Nov 21 2023 20:45 utc | 120
It isn’t who is the strongest, but who can form the biggest group.
– Of tribes, nations or number of alliances. In the latter case, Zionism is relying on Jewish groups and the alliances they have made.
Now the RoW is waking up to the need to form it’s own group of like-minded-peoples.
Which is bigger?
**
Even sponges formed colonies to survive.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 21 2023 21:12 utc | 131

It all comes down to who’s the strongest.

You write as though your thoughts are a revelation, with the condescending air of the pseudointellectual. The reality is you cannot contest the inhumanity, hypocrisy or cowardice of the bedwettting Israeli people but you felt the need to express your disdain for those who pick up the cause of the downtrodden.

Upon this, one has to remark that men ought either to be well treated or crushed, because they can avenge themselves of lighter injuries, of more serious ones they cannot; therefore the injury that is to be done to a man ought to be of such a kind that one does not stand in fear of revenge.

The force the puny Israelis and their fascist friends can muster is not sufficient to exterminate the Palestinian people. Therefore, the idiocy of their non-plan for ethnic cleansing, as half-assed as anything modern conceived in the West, must be plain even to a simpleton. While momentarily ascendant, Israel has sealed her fate. For what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 21 2023 21:12 utc | 132

RE: Never Again! | Nov 21 2023 20:54 utc | 125
Winning what? Land they controlled anyways? Ok…it all makes sense now…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 21 2023 21:16 utc | 133

The world is not moral
Posted by: Micron | Nov 21 2023 20:45 utc | 120
The world is what we make it. These events are pedagogical in nature, ‘object lessons’, and you have proven to be a receptive student. The few lord it over the many using only one device in the final analysis: Control over and conditioning of minds. It is an error to throw in the towel.
Bob Marley has this great line “The mighty go is a living man” and as usual a very catchy tune. Sing along.
https://genius.com/Bob-marley-and-the-wailers-get-up-stand-up-lyrics

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 21 2023 21:17 utc | 134

The Zionists (inside and outside of Israel) have shown no sense of concern for how they are perceived or of any potential future legal consequences.
In my mind, it comes down to whether or not these public actions are for catharsis, or if they are actually meant to help the Palestinians in a meaningful way. Today virtue signaling has replaced effective virtuous action.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 21 2023 20:40 utc | 117
You misunderstand, the question was
“When does Israeli genocide become a holocaust
Posted by: Bill | Nov 21 2023 19:44 utc | 92
As for “catharsis”, big word btw, I had to look it up. If that’s part of it, it may be in play for the Likudites, Benny the Butcher and various other Bronze age types affiliated.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 21:19 utc | 135

Not off-topic but a little indulgent. I am trying to recall a name and expect that sb here will instantly recognise whom I am alluding to. He was a writer somewhat in the PEscobar mould, but primarily a film-maker and photojournalist, Pilger-like but swimming further off from the mainstream. Often wrote about Thai, SEA, ME, Iran. Fell victim to the grim reaper a few yrs ago. Is this enough to go on with?

Posted by: petra | Nov 21 2023 21:24 utc | 136

Middle East Eye reports on prisoner swap-ceasefire negotiations:
Israeli army and intelligence services support the deal. Far-right cabinet members opposed.
Four-day “ceasefire” during which “Israel will also allow more fuel and food to enter the besieged Gaza Strip during the four-day pause, after which deliveries will go down again”
Netanyahu told cabinet that war will continue after the four day pause: “So I want to clarify: We are at war, we will continue to be at war, we will continue to be at war until we reach all our goals. We will destroy Hamas, we will return all our abductees and the missing and we will ensure that in Gaza there won’t be any party that poses a threat to Israel,” said Netanyahu ahead of the cabinet vote.”
Despite his assurances to the contrary, a whole other set of dynamics generated by the ceasefire will likely forestall the continuation of the “war”, at least as it has proceeded to date. Interesting that IDF and intelligence services (Shin Bet, Mossad) support the ceasefire. It is not at all clear that there has been much direct combat between IDF and Hamas to date.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 21 2023 21:25 utc | 137

In response to
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You may feel it’s unjust, cruel, whatever, but you have to face the cold reality. The world does not care. This giant big bowl of earth, water, gas, trundling into space, covered with these billions of strange creatures scampering over its surface, does not care for abstract notions of justice, morality, and so on.
It all comes down to who’s the strongest.
Posted by: Micron | Nov 21 2023 20:45 utc | 120
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I agree with you about the non-effectiveness of our textual white noise we spew here at the MoA bar. It may be educational for some and sometimes the discussion adds value but MoA barflys do not run the world.
I also like your choice of the word, strongest, in your last statement.
Strength is measured is various ways and what is a strength today may become a weakness tomorrow. There is also personal strength and community/national/humanity strength.
Humanity’s strength is being challenged right now by the attempt to normalize genocide by the God Of Mammon cult that runs the West. Are we barbaric folk or have we acquired some ethics and values that conflict with barbarism…and are we willing to defend them? How do you do that on a global scale other than to share with others your disdain for the killings?
We have said repeatedly here at the bar that it is important not to become the evil you wish to rid our species of. I share the frustration with the genocide we are seeing and hope that revulsion will spread throughout our species in a visceral way so that humans know what they don’t want to see in our form of social organization going forward.
We are in a spaceship called Earth and there is a cult of our species that has had historical control over our species which includes much more killing that we are seeing today over their centuries of barbarism and enforcing a top/bottom society.
The God Of Mammon cult needs to be exposed for the anti-humanistic values it enforces on the rest of society. That is happening but the genocide we are watching in Occupied Palestine also needs to occur in the sense that the barbarism of the God Of Mammon cult and their followers needs to be exposed as the cancer it represents to our species going forward….we need to evolve beyond barbarism or go extinct and what a better time to ask that question than right now!
Does humanity have the strength to evolve beyond barbarism?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 21 2023 21:27 utc | 138

Israel is winning and it’s driving the Anti-Semites insane with impotent rage!!!
Heheheh…
Posted by: Never Again! | Nov 21 2023 20:54 utc | 125
Winning what? Hearts and minds? Territory they have no legal right to? What exactly are they winning?
Do you suppose the Hitler youth thought the Reich was winning after they put down the Warsaw ghetto uprising? Good grief Charlie Brown, come back when you grow up

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 21:27 utc | 139

A few words about the psychology of violence being discussed here.
Some thirty years ago I was a volunteer at a hospital ward for abused children. Most of our caseload was police custody cases, the ones that make the papers. So hardcore abuse. I was there long enough to get the repeaters. We would get the whole family of children. When they came back a year later that family would always be smaller. Because some of the children were dead. Because some of the children had been sold. Another year goes by and the family is still smaller.And I will tell you it is still that way. Parents never face legal consequences for killing their own children.
One night one of the children had a visit from his mother. I was selected to supervise that visit. Somewhat unusual case for us. Middle class white child. Being as I was middle class and white and no one who worked there was, they had the approximate peer do the task. Twenty minutes into visit mom slapped her son. Hard. Hard enough to knock him off his chair and to the floor. I helped him up. Then escorted mom to the door. Goodbye.
Thing was there was a good solid minute between helping the boy up and escorting mom to the door. Because I had seen it and not seen it. Time needed to process. Of course all this had to be reported to the charge nurse. She heard the whole story, including the part about the time lag. She nodded and said “It happens that way”.
When I was leaving for the night the charge nurse pulled me to the side and we had a talk. She told me the scales were falling off my eyes and I was going to be seeing a lot of abused children. At any moment while living everyday life. Willie Mae was absolutely correct about that. It was and is everywhere. I saw it constantly for years.
Now not so much. Occasionally abuse barges it’s way into my consciousness. It is simply not possible to take it in all the time. It is always happening.
Been re-reading Thucydides. Every couple pages the Athenians or the Spartans are putting entire cities to death or putting all the prisoners to death. The executions are of course up close and personal. Humans can do that. We are more civilized now than then, putting entire cites to death is an exception rather than the rule. Hman naturehas not changed at all.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 21 2023 21:35 utc | 140

RE: Micron | Nov 21 2023 20:45 utc | 120
Got it, we’re giant amebas with a brain, no free will & only animal survival instincts placed on this planet to kill or be killed, or maybe even “evolved” but either way, survival of the fittest.
Why bother with mundane go-nowhere thoughts like: choice…? It’s lame. Whoever thought of and spewed those useless “free will” & “choice” kinds of mantras, hasn’t a clue what the real world is like.
You see?? Gets funky to delve into an extreme, people “feel” all those useless “feelings” because of “choice”…because of “free will”, however “exercised”. Because of the “knowledge” that people (who are not animals) are choosing a “kill or be killed” existence for themselves… It’s not “pie in the sky” or “magical” thinking to think another existence is possible…it’s a fact. A better choice for humanity to live can be made.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 21 2023 21:37 utc | 141

Posted by: bevin | Nov 21 2023 18:51 utc | 77
I think it is early to state conclusively that the Hamas attack and the Israel genocide response are both random events following the laws of unintended consequences. It is like saying that a man in a cave wearing a turban brought down the WTCs and crashed into the Pentagon and the Iraq invasion was a normal response to the boiling blood of the Americans a month after 9/11. It maybe true, it is certainly what we are told, but I need a little more evidence one way or another.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 21 2023 21:38 utc | 142

@FieryButMostPeaceful
“My personal opinion, the Gazan holocaust is actually worse than the Nazi holocaust.”
Please, stop it.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 21 2023 21:46 utc | 143

The conditions asked by the palestine militias to the ceasefire are another political win for them around the world, because what they are asking is an humanitarian ceasefire and the release of children in prison in Israel, what citizen in arab and also in non arab countries will think this is the demands made by “terrorists”? they are the minimum humanitarian request in any place to an inhumane treatment by Israel, on the other hand the negative of Israel up to date to any kind of ceasefire of humanitarian aid to Gaza show the world what kind of regime govern this country and what kind of regime govern US.
But the arabs governments continue as nothing has happened in Palestine and Israel continue with the genocide.

Posted by: Dave | Nov 21 2023 21:46 utc | 144

@ It all comes down to who’s the strongest.
Posted by: Micron | Nov 21 2023 20:45 utc | 120
Nah . Don’t believe you.
Gandhi did it – a whole Empire that had been leeching the Subcontinent for 300 years.
He did it peacefully. He got the villages to make their own cotton and millions marched to the seas to make their own salt – the empire had forbade it. It broke heads, it imprisoned. It shot in cold blood.
First they Ignore you.
Then they ridicule you.
Then they fight you.
THEN they LOSE.
PALESTINE is at stage 3 – 4 is inevitable
Your comment is about stage 2.
The fact you came to make it here leads inevitably to stage 3.
This battle can not be restricted to a settlement in Gaza or Palestine.
There will only be a single state in a hundred years and it for sure will not be the Apartheid Whites Only Zion.
The only thing left to decide is just when the Empire up sticks and withdraws. Goes and lays down and dies?
Gandhi was assassinated. He was betrayed first by the imperial satraps. They allowed partition.
Mandela spent 30 years in prison – they had to release him and let him live or lose everything- the only thing that mattered was the Diamonds and the Gold mines.
Rhodesia is no more.
The Empire is Dead Dead Dead.
Its last Caesars are filling their boots and some are mad enough to think they can grasp victory from the jaws of defeat.
They can not win – they have just shown the rest of the world that they are brutal and when it comes to the Anglo European diasporas across the planet – the white child’s life and their prosperity is still held higher than any other ethnicity.
That’s why all Europeans- with their roles through the centuries of imperialism and colonisation are bound to fight to keep the Levant; Just as the were bound to take the ukraine; Just as they can’t give up the South Americas.
But they lost Indo China and they are losing the Pacific nations and are losing Africa.
East Africa is all but gone.
The Sahel is coalescing and surviving.
The MENA hangs by threads only the Arab slavers, the Bedouins and a few emirates believe they are still rulers and owners of men women and children they bear.
We are fucked by our complicity in letting that be true.
The Chinese and Russians and these who held their nerves know that the biggest war is yet to come – the fight by the old imperialists to hold back and hold on and hold down AFRICA.
THAT is the strategic target for the next century. The poor Palestinians are crucified. Just as the ignorant Ukrops have been. The Levant is the key , the gateway between EurAsia and Africa. The Colective Wasterals , our ancient Owners have drawn their line there – only so far they say – this IS Europe they demand. This IS our Eden the USA screams holders of the Big Sticks. Which are actually too little against peer powers.
That’s manifest. b is a super sensitive he has discernment, he can see and we are not far behind.
We have dared to stare into the Abyss and screamed blue murder.
The abyss has stared back and has whispered … would you like that served with a bang or a whimper?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2023 21:46 utc | 145

Israel is winning and it’s driving the Anti-Semites insane with impotent rage!!!
Heheheh…
Posted by: Never Again! | Nov 21 2023 20:54 utc | 125
Yup we anti semites have impotent rage at the slaughter of innocents by Satan’s chosen lunatics
but Israel winning?
dream on
Israel’s days are numbered and they have just hastened their demise and dragged JUSA along with them.
Good
The New Israel plan in Ukraine is now a puff of smoke … pretty sure Putin will not let a bunch of zionazi psychopaths take tha place of the last batch after going to so much trouble to remove them.
anyhoo I know you are a bot I just wanted to say this for the real trolls

Posted by: ld | Nov 21 2023 21:48 utc | 146

@16 marcel
I go back and forth with Hegel, an acolyte of his main ideas on one side and then disagreeing with him at other moments.
What you say resonates with what he thought about History’s “Slaughter bench” where catastrophe meets opportunity in the daylight where Spirit emerges.
This sounds so callous, unfortunuately, as if one is not thinking about the horror of innocents being killed like animals, or worse, in Gaza.
Any student of history can look back at atrocity after atrocity, in any system, whether political, economic, or any place you would like.
Violence is intrinsic to our nature. But there must be a secondary power that rights the wrong, here. And this can be found in spirit which emerges no matter what horrendous attempts are made, in this case, by the empire, to halt advancing spirit in its tracks.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 21 2023 21:49 utc | 147

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 21 2023 21:35 utc | 141
Have you read “The Sexual Cycle of Human Warfare”, Norman Walter, 1950? He has an interesting theory about the warfare as an expression of super-organism sexuality.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 21 2023 21:52 utc | 148

@ Ed | Nov 21 2023 18:48 utc | 75
hey ed… b did post a link to that la times opinion piece… you raise a number of good points in relation to it..perhaps you can reply to the thread, or send a letter to the la times expressing your valid concerns on this opinion piece.. cheers..

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2023 21:53 utc | 149

Payback is a bitch, this is not strictly Gaza, it’s probably something born in Syria and enhanced in Ukraine.
But for those saying nothing is being done, there are many levels to war now.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7bk3v/commercial-flights-are-experiencing-unthinkable-gps-attacks-and-nobody-knows-what-to-do
Extra stupid points for the genius that decided to “correct” inertial data from GPS without asking for the pilots review.
Backup, lower precision , systems are backups and warning sources , not something to keep in line with sacred data from the gps (or others)

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 21 2023 21:56 utc | 150

Not only that, the statement coming out of the BRICS meeting was impotent and disappointing to say the least.
Posted by: Moonie | Nov 21 2023 21:04 utc | 130
Isn’t the concept of BRICS based on economic opportunities and not political issues and intervention?
Economic opportunities pursued represent potential money earned, money begets power, power begets more money and so on.
Sadly for us who live in the West, economics strayed from producing goods of value to value attributed to betting on the success or failure of others who produce something of value. The markets have since become a merger between Frankenstein and Count Dracula. A natural evolution I suppose if one looks back in time and considers things like what FDR said about his choice as the first head of the SEC, one Joe Kennedy whose rep preceded him.
FDR’s explanation for the choice was “It takes a thief to catch a thief.”
“It takes a thief: The first SEC chairman
The SEC Historical Society has new pictures and essays honoring its first chairman – Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt supposedly said he appointed Kennedy to the SEC because it takes a thief to catch a thief. Indeed, the arch-liberal Kennedy clan’s wealth has some pretty dubious origins:”
https://www.professorbainbridge.com/professorbainbridgecom/2005/12/it-takes-a-thief-the-first-sec-chairman.html
I do run on sometimes don’t I? 🙂

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 21:56 utc | 151

“It maybe true, it is certainly what we are told, but I need a little more evidence one way or another.”
Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 21 2023 21:38 utc | 143
I have posted this link a few times before, but it definitely is not true (a rather pathetic story to boot)
Christopher Bollyn has pretty much nailed down the who and why. It would be nice to discover the how someday.
https://www.bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book/

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 21 2023 21:59 utc | 152

I feel the same rage and disgust not only with the Zionist satanic entity but with European political leaders especially the German retarded criminals
It’s all very hard to digest for me
I think this all can not end well and it’s going to get a lot worse

Posted by: 🌶️Mike | Nov 21 2023 22:03 utc | 153

If Qasem Soleimani was not assassinated by US President Trump and was still alive, would the Oct. 7 Al-Aqsa Flood have occurred? The premier defender of the oppressed by Israel and the US may have devised a different scheme to defend Gazans, Palestinians, Lebanese Shiites and avoided the blood letting Gazans are now experiencing.

Posted by: Wilikins | Nov 21 2023 22:10 utc | 154

” With Kinzals on patrol and Chinese warships stationed off Iran, US seems to have been neutralist if it had thoughts of launching war anywhere in the region. But at the same time, any of the major players launching an attack on Israel could easily trigger at the least large scale regional war with the strong possibility of Israel resorting to nuclear weapons.”
“Russia Iran China moves will I think be subtle, below the threshold of risking greater conflict but will show results in the weeks to come.”
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2023 19:53 utc | 94
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The danger with Israeli nuclear weapons is that if they use them on Gaza, Lebanon, or Syria (or all three) who is going to retaliate?
The world does not seem to care that much about the Palestinian people to even demand that the US, France, and the UK, vote to end the genocide in Gaza and back it up with military force.
Neither has the world (the UN) bothered to end the US genocide and illegal invasion of Syria, and for good reason I suppose: What difference would it make? The US would only ignore the UN, like they have done so many times before. Unless there is a nation, or a coalition of nations, somewhere on planet earth that is willing to take on the US militarily, the UN is a big nothing burger, and that is the fault of the international community for allowing this veto system to continue so long after WW2, and giving the US the right to be the hegemonic beast that it has become.
The UN must change the veto system to allow a majority of the people on planet earth to have a say, or the UN must be replaced with a new more democratic system with the power to enforce its mandates. And what will this “new system” look like, I have no fucking idea, so don’t ask.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 21 2023 22:19 utc | 155

Micron 120
When the British Empire created the Muslim Brotherhood they taught them the creed of power you are preaching.
The Muslim Brotherhood has sacrificed the Palestinians in exchange for personal power in the New Middle East which Netanyahu has been promised.
The Qur’an says that these type of people claim to be be peacemakers, while in reality they are destroyers.
The Qur’an bars leadership to those who seek personal ambition for power rather than for the collective good.
The Qur’an tells us that however much Muslims suck up to the Jews , they will never give us an atom of power .
The Muslim Brotherhood will tell you that the Palestinians must stay in Palestine, and be bombed with all the latest Trumpian weapons, because Muslim Brotherhood provides Israel with the pretext for genocide.
The reality is that Muslim Brotherhood se

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 21 2023 22:19 utc | 156

The reality is that Muslim Brotherhood se
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 21 2023 22:19 utc | 158
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What happened Giyane? Did you fall asleep on that last sentence? LOL 😂, just kidding.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 21 2023 22:23 utc | 157

As of 3 hours ago (from MEE):

The Palestinian health authority said the number of people who have been killed by Israel since the war began has reached 14,128.
Among the dead are at least 5,840 children.

Again we hear of an imminent hostage deal, all day today from Biden, and from “the other team” as they say. What game is this? Why speak of an imminent deal for three days straight; why not simply wait until the deal is signed and sealed before delivering news about it?
It’s a puzzle indeed, in which Israel’s “war cabinet” gets the chance to repeatedly show off how tough they are. No deals while we’re busy killing gooks, no sirree!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 21 2023 22:26 utc | 158

” Isn’t the concept of BRICS based on economic opportunities and not political issues and intervention?
Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 21:56 utc | 153 ”
Very true, however, why was this meeting called then ?

Posted by: Moonie | Nov 21 2023 22:28 utc | 159

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2023 22:19 utc | 159, 151, and 98.
Fake James, please report. Hey turd troller; why don’t you use your fake name?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 21 2023 22:29 utc | 160

” Isn’t the concept of BRICS based on economic opportunities and not political issues and intervention?
Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 21:56 utc | 153 ”
Very true, however, why was this meeting called then ?
Posted by: Moonie | Nov 21 2023 22:28 utc | 163
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Only a complete neophyte would ask such questions. How do you separate economics from politics? Do you think Janet Yellen’s globe-trotting trips to China and other countries is not about politics?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 21 2023 22:36 utc | 161

Isn’t the concept of BRICS based on economic opportunities and not political issues and intervention?
Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 21:56 utc | 153
Well, actually, it is political, but in the negative sense. the BRICS countries want to minimize the ability of the United States to do financial manipulation. The economic part of it is a desire to not take losses while getting out from under US financial domination.

Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 21 2023 22:39 utc | 162

Still not at Madeleine Albright 500.000 were worth it level.
But still a very respectable 4.000 children wasn’t enough level.
That’s what a true pseudo-liberal humanist thinks… about all the deplorable , mysoginists , Assad lovers, putinists, russians and Palestinians . Clearly non human.
Is there a trace of hope of the article and connections starting to say that it is not correct? Can we expect a shift?
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kxmwe/stuart-seldowitz-halal-cart-harassment

Posted by: Newbie | Nov 21 2023 22:41 utc | 163

“But I am too aghast, outraged and depressed”
Everything MOB used to (and still does) advocate about Ukraine he denies about Israel.
Just as Russia’s critical interests, even existence as a state are threatened by a hostile Ukraine on it border. So is Israel with Hamas and Hezbollah.
The Russians preemptively attacked Ukraine in service to it’s critical interests. On the other hand, Israel allowed itself to be attacked in a most horrific way.
Russia recognizes that de-nazification is a necessary goal in its struggle with Ukraine. Russia thus recognizes that Ukraine is now in the grip of a dangerous ideology that poisons peoples minds. Likewise, Israel understands that it faces a dangerous ideology and deeply entrenched in an entire population.

Posted by: danf51 | Nov 21 2023 22:45 utc | 164

DunGroanin | Nov 21 2023 18:42 utc | 71
Re Dreizen, I thought he was fairly good when the subject was Ukraine.
He speaks Russian, and was able to lift info from Russian sources, and also to explain what people were saying in Russian and Ukrainian videos.
He certainly did not “push” covid. Au contraire.
But he has seemed to be getting more and more aggressive and ranting at readers who don’t agree with him, etc. Also, he suffers from JDS (Jewish Derangement Syndrome), like other seemingly intelligent Jews who lose their supply of blood to the brain when it comes to Zionism.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 21 2023 22:47 utc | 165

Thank you b for all your efforts, take the well-deserved break you need.
I wrote some time ago in one of my first remarks here on MoA that this time “The genocide will be televised”, to paraphrase the late great Gil Scott-Heron. All these terrible news that reach & inform us in real time multiplied by the speed of digital networking have a mind-numbing effect, as the overwhelming sense of horror & futility triggers the mind itself to lower the threshold of sensitivity.
It may very well be a targeted effect on the already short attention span of the general public. As Kurt Tucholsky famously said, “the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic”. Sad as it is, the average human mind copes easier with statistics than with tragedies.

Posted by: Memory Man | Nov 21 2023 22:51 utc | 166

History worth considering – the Israeli Yinon plan called for taking back the Sinai from Egypt, destabilizing it politically in the process. Pushing the Palestinians out of the West Bank, except as low wage workers while simultaneously dismembering Jordan to disadvantage any and all Palestinian refugees who fled there during the Nakba. Lebanon, owner of the Litani River, has long been a target for Israeli expansion. More probably than not Israel played a quiet role in the brutal, near genocide, dismemberment of Libya. Syria would have been similarly dismembered had not the Russians intervened. Iraq was yet another target of US/UK unmitigated aggression. Iran targeted for similar actions. Given this history, what Middle Eastern country would feel safe from the predations of the Global West?
With this history, Israel’s actions and unlimited support from US/UK are not unexpected – and their combined actions in executing/providing cover for Palestinian genocide fully reveals the extent to which the Global West/Israel will go to further their goal of the complete destruction of any possibility of a Palestinian state. Those moving against will be relying/quietly supporting powerful non state actors. Unlike the cowboys of the global West, BRICS+, ASEAN, GCC will slowly up the pressure internationally – with unspoken sanctions, ICC and ICJ actions as well as General Assembly actions. Israel is already broke and splintering politically – Knesset action to execute all Palestinian political prisoners as terrorists speaks to the desperation of a war that is already lost and a country that is moving slowly to disintegration with many, many dual citizen Israeli’s reading the writing on the wall and leaving. The bulk of departures the educated and professional classes who will have no difficulty integrating into their European and US communities. Quoted here several times – why attack your enemy, when he is already engaged in slitting his own throat. There will be nasty and long standing retribution for these war crimes. The Global South/Russia/China will guarantee the payback.

Posted by: abierno | Nov 21 2023 22:53 utc | 167

@ abierno | Nov 21 2023 17:28 utc | 40
From what i gather, the idea is not to reach Gaza (that would be a suicide mission, given the circumstances) but to try to impose a naval blockade disrupting the imports of military equipment & goods by sea for 7 to 10 days, while staying in international waters off the port of Ashdod.
303 boats fly the Russian flag, 104 Spanish, others from USA, UK, Germany, Poland, Turkey & more.
A clever move of political pressure that may prove a bit tricky for Israeli propaganda to discredit.
Turkey ups the ante on who’s the champion of the Palestinian cause among the Muslim nations.
Whatever the outcome, clever fox Erdogan lays a solid foundation for Turkey to be the number one privileged partner/consumer of the Gazan natural gas fields in the happy event of a future declaration of a Palestinian sovereign state. This *might* motivate other Arab big players to act in a more decisive manner. But this remains to be seen.

Posted by: Memory Man | Nov 21 2023 22:53 utc | 168

Rest easy b, even the IDF might get 4 or 5 days off before resuming the elimination of hamas

Posted by: b rested | Nov 21 2023 22:59 utc | 169

The reality is that Muslim Brotherhood seek political power for themselves at the expense of the Palestinians, at the expense of the Libyans, at the expense of the Syrians at the expense of the Yugoslavians, at the expense of the Sri Lankans, at the expense of the Khazakstanians, at the expense of the Somalians and at the expense of the Iraqi Muslims.
It’s now US UK IS EU and MB that poodle to the global banksters.
Muslim Brotherhood is to Palestine what the EU is to Ukraine, an enforcer of colonial genocide and GLOBAL CAPITALISM ‘s territorial expansion.
Of course that is not what individuals in the MB are. They are just useful patsies to the British pseudo-Caliphate’s colonial scam.
The triangular deal is dead simple:
Administrative power to the privileged colonial poodles.
Ownership of sovereign land and resources to Global Capital.
Feudal survival for the Muslims who those who choose to remain, and incentives to migrate and increase the European Labour pool.
Global Capital when it was the British Raj or other European colonisers used a privileged class of local administrators to manage entire populations. This is what Mudlim Brotherhood is. You walk into one of their mosques, you go onto their database.
Amazingly the lessons of 500 years of Global Capitalist rape and plunder has only increased the queue of willing pimps of Muslim wealth and political power. It’s easy to compare past colonial genocide with current ones. But it’s not easy to understand why these local pimps invoke the curse of God and man on their own recidivist ambition for power and wealth.
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Posted by: Giyane | Nov 21 2023 23:00 utc | 170

israel has a unique security problem and its government is just trying to do the right thing for its people
Posted by: james | Nov 21 2023 22:19 utc | 159
lebensraum?
Faker.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 23:01 utc | 171

@ Posted by: canuck | Nov 21 2023 20:42 utc | 118
Kitchener didn’t invent concentration camps, the Spanish used them in Cuba in the Spanish-American War and Andrew Jackson invented them to ethnically cleanse the Cherokee and the Seminoles.

Posted by: Squeeth | Nov 21 2023 23:04 utc | 172

Very true, however, why was this meeting called then ?
Posted by: Moonie | Nov 21 2023 22:28 utc | 163
Collectivism? Frankly you’re asking something I certainly can’t answer.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 23:05 utc | 173

Speaking of finding the moral strength to carry on…
I caught a minute of the usually reliable Duran — reliable in the sense of level-headed, humane analysis — and its livestream with American lawyer/political pundit Robert Barnes. Barnes has notoriously defended the bloodthirsty, racist Zionist regime in Israel. And sure enough, there Barnes was scoffing at Americans who had rejected the presidential candidacy of Robert Kennedy, Jr., because of Kennedy’s wholehearted support of the genocide/ethnic cleansing in Gaza. And no pushback from Alex Christoforou or Alexander Mercouris.
This normalization of such horrific slaughter was something I never expected from these guys. And it was extremely demoralizing.

Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Nov 21 2023 23:07 utc | 174

‘– GEROMAN — time will tell – 👀 — retweeted
Ebrahim Hashem 李思瑞 إبراهيم هاشم
@EbrahimHashem
33m
The world order is looking more visibly like a grand chessboard..
Now that Ukraine pawn has been lost and is no longer a strategic asset, all efforts are being made now to ensure that Israel and Taiwan pawns won’t lose their strategic value..
Otherwise, the game will be over..’
https://nitter.net/EbrahimHashem/status/1727090330095288543#m
Geez some of the great people out there who can encapsulate in a tweet what takes me reams.
b is not alone there are thousands talking to dozens of millions!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2023 23:09 utc | 175

Congrats to world opinion, and specially the anti imperialist camp, for making this cease fire possible. International solidarity proved to be more powerful then UNSC.
Join the struggle against Zionist genocide and imperialist complicity:
https://samidoun.net/2023/10/calendar-of-resistance-for-palestine-events-and-actions-around-the-world/

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 21 2023 23:22 utc | 176

Ed 160
The Muslim Brotherhood is the modern equivalent to the local administrator class that the British Raj used to control the local populations and assist in future dividecand rule , colonial projects.
How do I know that? Because my old Kadhmiri Muslim friend once told that a member of a nearby family in that English Town who had died, was socially several ranks above his own caste. His son who is the imam in the mosque was unhappy about washing the dead,so my friend did it instead .
The bereaved family belong to that local administrative colonial class from the time of the British Raj.
Muslim Brotherhood work in service to USUKIS and derive political power for pimping for the Global Capitalists.
Bum-wrap.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 21 2023 23:24 utc | 177

I wouldn’t have my wife , my two boys or my 6 month year old grandson if it wasn’t for Louis B. Mayer-please remember there are many good Jews.
Posted by: canuck | Nov 21 2023 20:42 utc | 118
I have never lost sight of that, nor do I lump people from any group into the same boat as extremists who share same or similar language, religion, heritage etc.
I was raised largely by my Mother who came from Europe and she didn’t have any particular bias against any people, even the Germans whose actions brought about the loss of her husband and my Father.
She used to speak fondly of interactions with Jewish people when she lived over there and I’ve always tried to see what I never experienced personally through her eyes.
But that was then, this is now and there is no justification for what Israel’s gov’t is doing to civilians. They are mad with blood lust and Washington is all in with it. The Shining City on the Hill they say.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 23:26 utc | 178

” Only a complete neophyte would ask such questions. How do you separate economics from politics? Do you think Janet Yellen’s globe-trotting trips to China and other countries is not about politics?
Posted by: Ed | Nov 21 2023 22:36 utc | 165 ”
Why the aggressive tone all the time ? My answer was obviously rhetorical. There is no human organization that isnt involved in ” politics ” of some sort or another.

Posted by: Moonie | Nov 21 2023 23:26 utc | 179

Enough depression for now – let’s roll our sleeves up and mock the AS shit stirrers.
This is how the population has been mentally degraded that they accuse a university quiz team member and the bbc for allowing a mascot ! Broadcast last night but recorded in MARCH!.
“Jack Mendel ✍️
@Mendelpol
13h
The University Challenge Octopus uproar, is ridiculous
IT’S A TOY OCTOPUS. That’s it. Not a Nazi octopus.
Hysterical and paranoid response, with a number of people picking out Gorgianeh, in a headscarfe.. which feels like racism to me….. “
That’s cheered me up no end!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2023 23:29 utc | 180

“The Palestinian health authority said the number of people who have been killed by Israel since the war began has reached 14,128.”
About the number killed in Donbas in 2014 early 15. 12 months. Genocide slow or genocide fast…
North Yemen went through slow mo genocide due to starvation blockade, but they kept their fighters going and won out in the end thanks to China.
Nazi proxies in Ukraine, Whabbi proxies in Yemen and now Zionist proxies in Palestine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2023 23:29 utc | 181

RE: Micron | Nov 21 2023 20:45 utc | 120
Got it, we’re giant amebas with a brain, no free will & only animal survival instincts placed on this planet to kill or be killed, or maybe even “evolved” but either way, survival of the fittest.
Why bother with mundane go-nowhere thoughts like: choice…? It’s lame. Whoever thought of and spewed those useless “free will” & “choice” kinds of mantras, hasn’t a clue what the real world is like.
You see?? Gets funky to delve into an extreme, people “feel” all those useless “feelings” because of “choice”…because of “free will”, however “exercised”. Because of the “knowledge” that people (who are not animals) are choosing a “kill or be killed” existence for themselves… It’s not “pie in the sky” or “magical” thinking to think another existence is possible…it’s a fact. A better choice for humanity to live can be made.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 21 2023 21:37 utc | 142
You ought to head over to Naked Capitalism. they had a big discussion about materialism, determinism and the nonexistence of free will a day or two ago.

Posted by: Phil R | Nov 21 2023 23:44 utc | 182

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 21 2023 21:49 utc | 148
If I’ve understood Hegel correctly, it is this spirit that is evolving in history, our inner core that absorbs experience and moves forward in spirals, as is our DNA and the movement of Earth in the cosmos.
This change is very slow for the standards of one human lifetime, but it is there. Slowly, surely, through pain and suffering, we evolve as a species.
It’s as if there’s only one human being on the planet, and all of us, past and future, are cells in its body, a being that is growing and maybe now is starting to reach maturity through the only means this is possible within our puny individual lives: responsibility.
Which, of course, leads to freedom.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 22 2023 0:07 utc | 183

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 21:56 utc | 153
And apart from a thief, Joseph Kennedy was a fascist.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 22 2023 0:16 utc | 184

I stopped reading the LA Times piece linked by b partway through the second paragraph.

There is little doubt that the Palestinians who participated in the mass murder of more than 1,200 Israelis and migrant workers on Oct. 7 did not see their victims as humans

This “genocide scholar” inexplicably repeats the Zionist lie that Palestinians murdered more than 1,200 people on 7 October. This is an outright fabrication, and even the Israeli authorities and media have admitted that it is not true. How many of the Israelis and other nationalities killed were active-duty military, police, armed private security or armed settlers? How many of the unarmed civilians killed were killed by the Israeli army? There is copious evidence to suggest that Hamas militia killed very few unarmed civilians, and many that were killed by them were the result of firefights with the Israeli military.
Any “scholar” who gets such key facts so completely wrong at the beginning of an article is not worth my time.

Posted by: tawharanui | Nov 22 2023 0:23 utc | 185

The open letter to the New York Review of Books linked by b is very well written.

Posted by: tawharanui | Nov 22 2023 0:37 utc | 186

–that realization apparently needs to be pounded into the heads of BRICS+ and the Global Majority. Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 16:31 utc | 17
Not going to happen Karl. They only have cheap idle talk, while patting themselves on the back for being so righteous law abiding, correct, and upholding their grandiose faux-morality of “non-interference in other nations” especially Israel no matter what they do to the Palestinians or how many War Crimes Laws and Geneva Conventions they breach and that is it.
Meanwhile Russia and China keep on pushing the insane notion of a “two-state solution” which was dead and buried long ago, and now should be absolutely obvious to all.
Fact: No one is coming to help the Palestinian people. No one. Certainly not Putin or Xi.
However, maybe just maybe something might break first–
Why we are just one half-revolution – one regional spark – from a free Palestine
First article on Substack by Ramin Mazaheri of The Saker & PressTV
https://raminmazaheri.substack.com/p/why-we-are-just-one-half-revolution
A great article the only thing I can’t agree with is his desire for the nefarious two-states solution — it isn’t a solution it’s a continuation of the original crimes against the Palestinian people being entrenched FOREVER.
NO CEASEFIRE — FIGHT LIKE HELL PALESTINE — DON’T QUIT & GIVE NO QUARTER
DESTROY ISRAEL’s EXISTENCE AS A STATE — THE ONLY JUST & MORAL SOLUTION POSSIBLE TODAY

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 22 2023 0:46 utc | 187

karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 20:20 utc | 108
***… the issue once again is control of the Oil Lands because the West lacks that resource and will become desperate for it by 2030. But even that aspect of the crisis is being blanketed with only Hudson, myself and Escobar bringing it into play.***
Very clear that Western/EU/NATO “values” do not cover buying (and paying for) what is needed from someone else at a fair price.
But since Western/EU/NATO “values” do include extortion, usury, spivvery, degeneracy, ‘value-engineering’, persistent lying, cruelty, avarice, snobbery, ‘false-witness’, exploitation and murder etc., that is hardly a surprise.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 22 2023 0:48 utc | 188

Posted by: tawharanui | Nov 22 2023 0:23 utc | 190
I had the same experience. I stopped reading after that sentence. Not only because of the easily disproven statement that all that died were victims of the Palestinians/Hamas, but the claim that the insurrectionists didn’t see the people they were rising up against as human seemed liked projection to me.

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 22 2023 0:49 utc | 189

The piece in Antiwar.com by Ramzy Baroud and Romana Rubeo is well worth a read.

Posted by: tawharanui | Nov 22 2023 0:51 utc | 190

That LA article ref by B
@ tawharanui | Nov 22 2023 0:23 utc | 190 & KMRIA | Nov 22 2023 0:49 utc | 195
I agree, I found it disgusting distortion of reality. Totally lacking any credible scholarly objectivity or adherence to factual truths and academic rigour, laden with emotive triggers and sophistry. I hated that article made me sick.
Written by a mongrel illegal immigrant land thief descendant Jew born in Israel and probably another degenerate US dual citizen — with a toxic mind poisoned by both countries.
Raz Segal, just another lying brain dead dissonant Israeli Zionist Jew to avoid like the plague.
I do not know what other people see in it – to me it’s a disgraceful article on Gaza and the genocidal actions of Israel while distorting the events in Ukraine as well.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 22 2023 1:02 utc | 191

How does something that didn’t exist come to being? I just thought of a metaphor for what’s happening in Gaza.
Nails in the coffin.
For every man, woman, and child killed, it’s another nail in the coffin of the Zionist project. The coffin has been prepared. Each death/nail closes the lid more shut. Maybe Nasrollah was right. That baby won’t see its 80th birthday.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 22 2023 1:03 utc | 192

What I find truly astonishing is that no one is bombing Israel in retaliation. A ceasefire is fine, but only an equivalent attack on Israel, in my opinion, would get results. It’s all very sad.

Posted by: Canuck21 | Nov 22 2023 1:07 utc | 193

Russia & China.
I’d be grateful if the barflies who say Russia & China should stop being timid and start delivering threats, would STFU for a few weeks. Unlike our corrupt Western leaders, Russia & China’s leaders know what they’re doing.
They’ve both sent token naval fleets to the ME Region. That will be enough to ensure that the Fake Christians will be paying attention when they get the calls from Xi and Putin, or their diplomats.
It’s highly unlikely that Ru & Cn will provide regular progress reports on their ‘talks’ with the psychos. But if/when they do make progress we’ll hear about it.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 22 2023 1:08 utc | 194

Shahmaran | Nov 21 2023 20:39 utc | 115
*** In a sense, you can see something similar already happening in the USA, with its widespread addiction problems (food, fentanyl…) as a long term consequence of the widespread havock they, their financiers and their military have been wrecking on the world for generations now.***
The problems afflicting the lower classes are not because they (other than a comparatively small number of ex-soldiers) feel “guilty” about anything the financiers and corrupt politicians have done.
The problems are mostly the product of a meglomanic, insatiably avaricious ruling class — at best amoral — that does not feel at all “guilty” and never really has, about anything.
As for food …. true the plebs eat it, but it is those higher up in society who effectively dictate what its content is likely to be.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 22 2023 1:09 utc | 195

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/21/invoking-the-genocide-convention-against-israel/
Sam Husseini suggests ways global outrage can be harnessed to help induce a country to invoke the Genocide Convention against Israel at the International Court of Justice.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 21 2023 20:14 utc | 104
All of that is a total waste of effort while there is NO ONE on this planet willing to ENFORCE a Court Judgment of Genocide using overwhelming Military Force to defeat the State of Israel on the battlefield and anyone who might choose to defend it.
There is no one who will do that. Russia and China for example are as weak as piss.
Maybe Iran if was forced into a war by being attacked itself, but it would require every single Arab state and several other Muslim states to back it in on the ground – no matter how the US or NATO responded.
Therefore – not going to happen.
The Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis et al are on their own. May they continue to show up the RoW for the cowardly moral degenerates that they, and we, all are.
(so ends my rants of disgust for the day)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 22 2023 1:13 utc | 196

Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 22 2023 1:08 utc | 200
I won’t be silent about condemning Russia and China over Gaza/Palestine and Israel. Their duplicity, silence, lack of integrity and immoral inaction is obvious.
They have the Power to act. They refuse to do so. They have no credibility on this issue. None!

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 22 2023 1:23 utc | 197

Boer war 2.0.
The ghost of Kitchener rides with the 4 horses
Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 20:04 utc | 99
If only.
Two white colonialists fighting over native lands.
This time they’re in unison.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 22 2023 1:30 utc | 198

psychohistorian | Nov 21 2023 21:27 utc | 139
*** Does humanity have the strength to evolve beyond barbarism?***
So-called “civilisation” has been more consistently vicious than “barbarism”
— and certainly a lot more hypocritical.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 22 2023 1:30 utc | 199

The Palestinians, Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis et al are on their own. May they continue to show up the RoW for the cowardly moral degenerates that they, and we, all are.
(so ends my rants of disgust for the day)
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 22 2023 1:13 utc | 202
Speak for yourself. The west is not a political monolith.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 22 2023 1:31 utc | 200

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