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November 21, 2023

There Are Certain Things I Can Not Write About

I have tried to write about Gaza. But I am too aghast, outraged and depressed to create a sensible piece.

So instead of coming up with something by myself I will leave you with a few links:

There is certainly more. But the above are the better ones of those pieces I have read.

Posted by b on November 21, 2023 at 15:54 UTC | Permalink

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thanks b... take it easy!! your output in amazing and a break is probably warranted..

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2023 15:58 utc | 1

Feel your pain b, there are many that can not believe the mass murder and genocide currently taking place in Occupied Palestine. Words seem so shallow, at this point, mute rage might best describe it.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 21 2023 16:01 utc | 2

If you are not aghast at what our species is doing, you are not paying attention.

Blessings to you b for your invaluable forum.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 21 2023 16:04 utc | 3

breaking (?) ... Just saw a headline about a ceasefire deal actually being reached...

Posted by: librul | Nov 21 2023 16:05 utc | 4

@Posted by: librul | Nov 21 2023 16:05 utc | 4

check that..."a deal is close"...

Posted by: librul | Nov 21 2023 16:07 utc | 5

that la opinion piece is quite potent.. i recommend everyone read it..

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2023 16:13 utc | 6

Horror. Horror
What is there to say except bear witness and later testify?
So many reports of killed journalists and their families coming through. Not only are we censored from seeing the truth in our mainstream news & Twitter closing down posters, but the professional witnesses are not allowed to record to later testify.

& Now this, how can it get worse. don’t look away.
This ,THIS :

A surgeon in Gaza had to do an amputation surgery for his OWN child without anesthesia
Then he watched his child die from all the pain. 💔’

No horror writer could even come close to making up that level of pain.
Come on! let’s end this.
Come on China and Russia , only the multipolar can deliver justice.
Is the calvary finally coming?

Breaking Israel-Gaza war: only a two-state solution can bring real peace, China president says in first public speech on conflict.…’
‘DD Geopolitics
Sergei Lavrov: "The UN didn't show the necessary initiative so we will have to find a mechanism to create a solution for Israel and Palestine that will suit everyone forever" ‘

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2023 16:15 utc | 7

IDF was well informed on Hamas activity months ahead of time. It looks like IDF women spotters where a sacrifice brigade. They told Israeli high command critical details of Hamas activities months ahead of Oct 7 and two brigades of convention IDF military where moved out of Gaza area of operation rather than in.

When their garrison was overrun by Hamas the women spotter were bombed by Israel in air strikes contributing to high killed in action count.

Posted by: ATM | Nov 21 2023 16:16 utc | 8

Cavalry obviously what I meant but calvary auto corrected also seems apt.
As bad as being nailed and left to bleed and suffer and beaten and worse as for that and other doctors and medical staff and their families and HOSPITALS.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2023 16:21 utc | 9

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2023 16:13 utc | 6

"that la opinion piece is quite potent..."

Yes. I notice it was authored by an endowed professor.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Nov 21 2023 16:23 utc | 10

Maybe add some Dresden perspective too, instead of the "misuse of the memory of the Holocaust", a memory that is misused by certain demographic we shouldn't talk about.

Posted by: Anonymouse | Nov 21 2023 16:24 utc | 11

Posted by: ATM | Nov 21 2023 16:16 utc | 8

Good article.
After about 4 paragraphs, a creepy feeling of deja vu happened. I realized almost immediately what it was, the same stories I heard many, many times after 9/11. It seems tons of warnings were purposely ignored in both cases, which kind of makes sense if the false flag perps behind the scenes were the same actors in both cases.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 21 2023 16:26 utc | 12

Cavalry obviously what I meant but calvary auto corrected also seems apt.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2023 16:21 utc | 9

I think we're seeing Calvary, it's Armageddon that has yet to arrive. Don't be in a hurry.

Posted by: Honzo | Nov 21 2023 16:28 utc | 13

"But I am too aghast, outraged and depressed to create a sensible piece."

As with james @ 1 "thanks b... take it easy!! your output in amazing and a break is probably warranted.."

But also my own thoughts on conflict and withstanding what occurs. In reading about wars and periods of great turbulence, there are nearly always survivors who must and do continue with their lives in the aftermath. Rather than lack of emotion or lack of empathy, it requires putting emotions aside to survive through times of violence and turbulence.
We constantly see US/UK provocations targeting emotions. to win, Russia, China or whoever is targeted must put emotions aside so as not to react to provocations that would derail strategy.
The terrible destruction that has been brought on Syria yet the Syrian people survived that and will also survive the hardships they are still going through.
The terrible destruction occurring in Gaza, yet Hamas must stick to strategy for any chance of winning and Palestinians surviving in their homeland.
These recent conflicts, with social media are now only a click away and we watch them in realtime. Of these, Gaza is by far the most nightmarish, the worst. Social media wasn't about for the firestorms that destroyed cities in WWII nor the razing of Vietnamese and North Korean cities and villages.
Looking at the day to day tragedies too close tends to immobilize the mind and larger strategy required for survival gets put aside.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2023 16:30 utc | 14

doctorows last line at the end is a very good summary of the western msm..

"The old broken record on Russian atrocities is being rolled out to replace the reportage on Israeli atrocities where possible."

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2023 16:30 utc | 15

I comfort myself with two or three observations.
1. Even with 20000 deaths, more than 99% of the population of Gaza is still alive (even if not in great shape).
2. No government has been able to come up with a good argument as to why its people should die instead of the Palestinians. So nobody will come to fight Israel. Governments take care of their proper interests and people.
3. The deaths in Gaza is the price the world is willing to pay to get rid of the Empire.
This is a 'Gramsci moment': "the old world is dying, the new one is not yet born, now is the time of monsters."

Posted by: marcel | Nov 21 2023 16:30 utc | 16

Yes, the Outrage must be voiced, while the Blame must be laid where it belongs, which Putin did again at today's Emergency BRICS Summit:

"All these events, in fact, are a direct consequence of the United States' desire to monopolize Mediation in the Palestinian-Israeli settlement and blockade activities of the Middle East "quartet" of international Intermediaries."

We've been over and back the many UNSC and UNGA Resolutions regarding the Palestine issue and it's 100% clear that the failure to enforce the Mandates is precisely at the root of the current conflict. But besides laying primary blame on the Outlaw US Empire and the Zionists, we must also look at the attitude of the Global Majority over the last 50 years which until now was never really able to speak with one voice. Yes, many excuses were made, but resolve was never found.

Much activity in Russia today on this issue that I'll cover in an article this morning. The RT report on the BRICS meeting is clearly biased in a rather insulting manner, and absolves the Zionsists of their Genocide. All BRICS+ members were in on the Summit, even one from Argentina. The problem I see is the lack of concerted action that goes well beyond the well-meaning words of Russia, China and the Global Majority. "Highlights of President Xi’s remarks at the BRICS extraordinary virtual summit on the Palestinian-Israeli issue" provide an example where everything Xi said has already been said by many factors by the World, but there's zero talk of action to make any of that reality, and it won't be done by the Zionists or the Outlaw US Empire--that realization apparently needs to be pounded into the heads of BRICS+ and the Global Majority.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 16:31 utc | 17

I totally sympathize. I feed the same torrent and turmoil of emotions. I have been distracted from my focus at my substack, which is building place-based ecological alternatives, by the sight of a people’s place being bombed to dust. I’ve addressed that a couple of ways. By accessing what other voices are saying, Jewish voices specifically:

And by taking direct action in my own place, Seattle, where we shut down the Space Needle Sunday:

I also picked up the announcement of the lawsuit by Palestinian-Americans against Biden et al charging complicity in genocide:

The pain we are feeling is nothing compared to what the people of Gaza are experiencing.

Posted by: Patrick Mazza | Nov 21 2023 16:31 utc | 18

You've earned a little rest. Hang in there, old boy!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 21 2023 16:37 utc | 19

Feel ya. I cannot turn on the news here in USA. Raises my blood pressure and ruins my day.

And talking to ppl about it is exhausting and similarly depressing. As most ppl have gone nuts.

I given up on humanity so content with the thought that Mother Earth will rid herself off the human vermin sooner or later.

Mother Earth will heal itself and live on for thousands more years. We wont. Thats what takes me to peaceful thoughts.

Posted by: Comandante | Nov 21 2023 16:41 utc | 20

Well worth adding to b's list is this by Jonathan Cook, in which he calls out the Zionists' revolting history of LYING and the equally revolting history of Western apologists' and journalists' regurgitating and amplifying their lies:

"Israel and its allies are repurposing the goals and lies of 1948---in Gaza in 2023

21 November

Israel is openly carrying out ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Yet, just as happened with the first Nakba in 1948, Israel’s lies and deceptions dominate the West’s media and political narrative.

History is repeating itself---and every politician and establishment journalist is pretending they cannot see what is staring them in the face. There is a collective and wilful refusal to join the dots in Gaza, even when they point in one direction only.

There has been a consistent pattern to Israel’s behaviour since its creation 75 years ago---just as there has been a consistent patttern to the “see no evil, hear no evil” response of western powers.

In 1948, in events the Palestinians call their “Nakba”, or Catastrophe, 80 percent of Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their lands in what became the self-declared Jewish state of Israel.

As Palestinians maintained at the time---and Israeli historians later confirmedd from archival documents---Israel’s leaderss lied when they said Palestinians had fled of their own volition, on the orders of neighbouring Arab states.

As the historians also discovered, Israeli leaders lied when they claimed that they had pleaded, first, with the 900,000 Palestinians inside the new state’s borders to stay and, later, with the 750,000 forced into exile to return home.

Rather, the archives showed that the new Israeli state’s soldiers had carried out terrible massacres to drive out the Palestinian population. The overall ethnic cleansing operation had a name, Plan Dalet. . . . .
[article continues]"

Posted by: Jane | Nov 21 2023 16:42 utc | 21

breaking (?) ... Just saw a headline about a ceasefire deal actually being reached...

Posted by: librul | Nov 21 2023 16:05 utc | 4

This ceasefire deal horrifies me more than the constant bombardment.

All that will happen in the breaks is the IDF finds new ways to terrorize the population.

Any Palestinian prisoners that are release will merely be released into a new hell to be re-arrested, or this time shot on the outside without even the benefit of a military court.

Those fighting for a ceasefire have done nothing more than find a new, exotic means to torture the innocent.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 21 2023 16:46 utc | 22

@ Never Again | Nov 21 2023 16:43 utc | 22

oh, but it is happening again and this time it is being done to another group, by the group that suffered from it.. i am sure this is not lost on you or the rest of the world either... 2 wrongs never make a right and might does not make right either..

Posted by: james | Nov 21 2023 16:46 utc | 23

Another powerful writing today from Chris Hedges:

"In an ominous sign that Israel will turn on the Palestinians in the West Bank once it is done flattening Gaza, armored vehicles have surrounded at least four West Bank hospitals. The Ibn Sina Hospital has been raided by Israeli soldiers along with the East Jerusalem Hospital."

Posted by: botete | Nov 21 2023 16:47 utc | 24

karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 16:31 utc | 17

BRICS has likely been immobilized due to India and possibly Brazil. Brazil has somewhere close to a 50-50 voting split predominately between the rich south and poor north from what I understand. Regardless of where Lula himself stands it needs to remembered Bolsonaro was very pro Israel.

To me, much of what we are now seeing is the empire striking back.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2023 16:53 utc | 25

Greater Israel moves forward and no one can stop it!

Cowardly fascist, the only reason your religious supremacist shitstain of a country exists is Maerica. How long do you think this state you steal on the backs of untold murdered children, lasts? Here's a hint: not very long.

You may indeed realize your 'glorious' dreams of Greater Israel on the backs of the miseries and slaughter of thousands of innocents, more dead than in the Warsaw uprising. The previous victimhood mantle you endlessly claimed finally evaporates in the face of your relentless bloodthirst.

Once you claim your 'great' Israel and realize your religious fantasies are just several thousand year old delusions, you will find what you have 'secured' is instead just a vat of eternally boiling excrement awaiting you and the rest of your child killing, cowardly murderous bedwetting fellow Israelis for eternity.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 21 2023 16:54 utc | 26

I think we're seeing Calvary, it's Armageddon that has yet to arrive. Don't be in a hurry.

Posted by: Honzo | Nov 21 2023 16:28 utc | 13

No. After Calvary is the Resurrection! Approved prophecies speak of a time of wonderful peace following these times of apostasy, hatred, violence, pestilence, war. God will cleanse the earth, and men will see that peace was not brought about by the mere efforts of secular men.

Posted by: hispanidad | Nov 21 2023 16:54 utc | 27

@Posted by: ATM | Nov 21 2023 16:16 utc | 8

The puzzling part is that Hamas was so open about their training prior to Oct 7th.


The article reads like a "limited hangout", for sure.

The article explains away the fact that valid intelligence was supposedly ignored repeatedly and over a long period of time
because of "arrogance but also from male chauvinism".
Rather, Oct 7th was an intentional false-flag security failure.

Posted by: librul | Nov 21 2023 16:55 utc | 28

Rather, Oct 7th was an intentional false-flag security failure.
Posted by: librul | Nov 21 2023 16:55 utc | 29

I very much lean to that view now. Especially with Israelis immediately comparing it to 9/11.
9/11 launched a war of terror. Oct7 launched a war of genocide.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2023 17:00 utc | 29

I hear you, B. The horror of war, especially committing war crimes, is often too great for an individual to bear, which is why soldiers need a pause from battle and typically suffer long lasting PTSD. Having served in Vietnam, I know this only too well.

A "humanitarian pause" in Gaza will give Israeli soldiers such a pause, so that they can regroup and refresh before continuing wantonly killing again.

The ongoing genocide in Gaza has affected me deeply. My therapist has been helpful, pointing out that those daily bearing witness to the horror, such as myself, also need a "humanitarian pause" so that we can regroup and refresh ourselves, before again carrying on the resistance against the monsters ruling over us.

Posted by: Trisha | Nov 21 2023 17:00 utc | 30

Both my parents during ages 10-15 witnessed some horrific events during WWII Europe. It effected their lives forever.

Those million children in Gaza will be scarred forever.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 21 2023 17:00 utc | 31

It seems tons of warnings were purposely ignored in both cases...

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 21 2023 16:26 utc | 12

How do you 'ignore warnings'... of the crime you yourself are about to commit? Limited hangout bullshit, again.

Posted by: justin | Nov 21 2023 17:06 utc | 32

“President Assad Arrives to Work After US-led Strike on Syria”. Video of his arrival posted at Vietnam Plus on

We got through that bombing. We’ll get through this.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 21 2023 17:07 utc | 33

here's a fun one: the dumb hicks at university of alberta thought a lady signing an open letter questioning "israeli" claims of "sexual assault" by hamas was so reprehensible they fired her from her job dealing with actual rapes that actually happen HERE.

oops! they said "alleged"! time to fire everyone who posted that article and their relatives! because that's what "powerless" and "vulnerable" people who are under constant "threat" do: they get anyone fired who even hints at less than 1,000,000% support for the genocidal colony where they have a $700,000 vacation home. pity the poor powerless yuppies in their north face jackets and range rovers. there but for the grace of YHWH go i.

Posted by: the pair | Nov 21 2023 17:11 utc | 34

Take a break and some long walks b,

Chill man, the world full of sickness and mental illness can wait a while. The shit show will still be there on your return.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 21 2023 17:12 utc | 35

Sympathies to b and all that react to these horrific events. I don't know what to say because I don't have words to describe it.

I only feel the need to say that also other events the last couple of years have left me speechless.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 21 2023 17:14 utc | 36

It effected their lives forever.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 21 2023 17:00 utc | 32

What did they learn from that experience?

Posted by: snl2002 | Nov 21 2023 17:14 utc | 37

We are seeing hour by hour in real time a crime against humanity, and the western countries are doing nothing to stop it, no sanction, nothing except to support the criminals by sending them more weapons and ammunitions (usa), or like France by organizing a demonstration to support them.

The western countries are showing to the rest of humanity their true murderous and racist face. There is no such thing anymore as an international order or an international law. All bridges to those ideas and to the international "institutions" are broken.

The world will never be the same again. Russia! Beware! Be ready to look for a first yankee nuclear strike! The western countries are lead by sociopaths.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 21 2023 17:19 utc | 38

….What did they learn from that experience ?….

not to trust politicians and careerists of any sort. Both developed a highly atuned sense of the accepted party line.

They also didn’t believe one word of the mythological noble American soldier - they witnessed far too many P-51s strafing women and children for the hell of it. ( among other crimes)

My father said he and his buddies ( occupied Yugoslavia ) would run around a field to draw fire from the P-51s coming back from escorting bombers and then hide in a ditch. They then would collect the empty shell casings and sell the brass so they could eat.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 21 2023 17:26 utc | 39

Tandem to the BRICS+ summit is the 2nd Mavi Marmara Fleet under the flag of Turkey. This fleet is reported as about 1000 boats - reported also to have no weapons, "not even a knife" in reprise for the Israeli massacre on the original Mavi Marmarma wherein its peaceful attempt to run the blockade of Gaza, resulted in many executed in cold blood by IDF who indicated that when boarding (illegally in international waters) they were "threatened" and that one of the slain allegedly had a knife. Unquestionably a fleet of this size would have medical field tents and complete equipment, as well as other humanitarian supplies. Also, access to satellite phones obviating Israeli blackout of their extensive, daily war crimes which are triggering ever expanding international outrage.

Will be interesting to see how this is handled by US/UK/IS since Turkey is not only a fellow NATO member, since 1952, but also has the second largest NATO army. How this situation is resolved, irrespective of outcome, will be an inflection point in this dire situation.

Posted by: abierno | Nov 21 2023 17:28 utc | 40

thx b

Max Blumenthal on TWITTER

"In justifying Israel's invasion of Gaza's Shifa Hospital, the Pentagon has essentially admitted that its own intelligence assessment asserting that Hamas military sites are concealed beneath the hospital is nothing more than recycled Israeli propaganda."

Posted by: AG | Nov 21 2023 17:29 utc | 41

BRICS statement about Gaza

Statements in photos, can't easily quote the text

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 21 2023 17:34 utc | 42

I've published other articles that indicate other analyses for the Gaza quagmire:

Geopol Mil Analyst has already carried two articles on the subject: An analytical problem: Why Does the US Support Israel? ( ) and More: Why Does the US Support Israel? ( ),

Posted by: Argos | Nov 21 2023 17:41 utc | 43

librul 4 arch bungle 23 ceasefire

I think stories about a ceasefire may be premature.
Hamas offered to release 100 women and children held by them in exchange for Palestinian women and children held by Israel, over a 5 day period.
Israel rejected this.
Hamas then offered to release 50 in exchange for sick and disabled women and children held by Israel.
Israel rejected this as well.

So this seems to have fallen through - unless there have been further developments.

Posted by: anon | Nov 21 2023 17:43 utc | 44

I repeat the post >
Pepe Escobar's text relates the war in Gaza and thee blind support for Israel much more to a new attack on China and the BRICS. Commenting on this article in my blog,
I said that this possibility is not limited to Argentina. I wrote: “
In his analysis, Escobar points out that Saudi Arabia, the Arab Emirates, Egypt and Iran are among the countries that will join BRICS+ from January 1st. He also extends the scope of his analysis to Latin America with the inclusion of Argentina.

The victory of ultra-liberal candidate Xavier Milay in the Argentine elections this Sunday shows that the situation is worsening in Latin America. Milay promised in the campaign to break off state relations with Brazil and China - this is unlikely to happen, but the field of war will widen on the continent.

Escobar's concerns about Argentina could include Peru and Ecuador (where Southcomand troops are currently based). Both countries, with strong fishing industries, have complaints about China's illegal fishing in their waters and the US Coast Guard has an action program on Illegal, Unreported, and Unregulated (IUU) Fishing aimed at the Asian country. The most ambitious initiative for the area, yet, is the Partnership for Atlantic Cooperation, with objectives that have yet indefined and which born at the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

” Besides to these facts, there are serious suspicions that the United States will build a military base in Guyana, a country that has a territorial dispute with Venezuela over the Essequibo coastal area. With over 800,000 inhabitants, Guyana disputes a huge oil reserve with Venezuela.

The United States is preparing a military action against that country using local mercenaries. Also, a military base in Guyana would add to the many military bases in Colombia

I've published other articles that indicate other analyses for the Gaza quagmire:

Geopol Mil Analyst has already carried two articles on the subject: An analytical problem: Why Does the US Support Israel? ( ) and More: Why Does the US Support Israel? (,c_limit/9AeAfFfTqMk

Posted by: Argos | Nov 21 2023 17:44 utc | 45

I agree with b; it's very painful to comment on the situation in Gaza and Palestine

Posted by: Argos | Nov 21 2023 17:47 utc | 46

b you are scared we understand the knock on the door the arrest the jail the fines look at david irving lost his home.

germany the world is chilled impotent by the power of the ask a nazi
run away run away

Posted by: helmut | Nov 21 2023 17:49 utc | 47

Thank You b

I can say bearing witness to this attrocity has done much damage to my psyche
My heart is breaking and I have shed so many tears I had to get a script for my eyes.

This is inhuman
and for them to just lie and get away with it is intolerable.
I am sick
How can we co exist with these creatures
how can we allow them to exist

Posted by: ld | Nov 21 2023 17:51 utc | 48

The Likud does not want the public in NATOland to learn about the 10,000 Arab prisoners Israel holds.

There also was a article about 10 days ago on Lebanese Media detailing the extremist positions being taken by the Israeli negotiating team - for example the captured IDF soldiers who were captured while asleep in their PJs were to be considered civilians and not soldiers.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 21 2023 17:51 utc | 49

BRICS gathering led to nothing…
China gathering led to nothing…

Another refugee camp bombed…
“Hostage deal”… blah blah

Feel the same as -B-

Law of the jungle pervades globally… unknown tipping point, an “unknown” rage coming.
Folks have had it.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 21 2023 17:52 utc | 50

BRICS statement about Gaza
Statements in photos, can't easily quote the text

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 21 2023 17:34 utc | 43

Why does it not occur to you to search another database for another attribution?
"BRICS statement about Gaza"

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 21 2023 17:54 utc | 51

Never again 22

Funny how "never again" only seems to apply to Jews.
For the "subhuman" goyim, and especially Palestinians, there is an endless succession of "agains."
But what goes around comes around.
Maybe one day soon there will be another "again" for all the Zionist genocide merchants.
They sure like dishing it out.
"Annihilate everybody" sing the charming little Zionist brats on national television.
Let's see how good they are at taking it.

Posted by: anon | Nov 21 2023 17:56 utc | 52

@sln2002 | Nov 21 2023 17:54 utc | 51

I do it my way, you do it your way. Glad to be of inspiration, you're welcome.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 21 2023 17:59 utc | 53

"But I am too aghast, outraged and depressed to create a sensible piece"
I have been "student" of "MANS INUHUMANITY TO MAN" for some 40 yrs. My conclusion is that humans are the most violent and deceptive species in existence. You are the first site I visit every morning and really appreciate your work but do not burden yourself with moral outrage. If you do you will carry the burden of all of history on your shoulders. Supposedly Christ came to do that but failed miserably. BUT without a Saviour; would there be ant hope????

Posted by: Alfred Giesbrecht | Nov 21 2023 18:05 utc | 54

If someone is buried in the rubble of a bombed out building and the ruins are bulldozed, did he ever die? According to official statistics?

After extensive bombing of Libya in 2011, the US military claimed that its targeting was so precise that no civilians had been killed. Of course, the question that was begging to be asked was: “Did anyone ever bother to count?”

The same was true of a Palestinian refugee camp that was obliterated and bulldozed in Jenin in 2002.. Officially there were suspiciously few casualties.


Given the scale of destruction in Gaza, I worry that the actual death toll in Gaza will be at least an order of magnitude greater that what will be reported…because there will be a blackout on counting the dead.

Posted by: JohnH | Nov 21 2023 18:07 utc | 55

If someone is buried in the rubble of a bombed out building and the ruins are bulldozed, did he ever die? According to official statistics?
Posted by: JohnH | Nov 21 2023 18:07 utc | 55

Ask the families of the Ukranians that are missing in action. By not counting or accounting for those missing in action the greedy, corrupt government doesn't have to pay out benefits to the surviving family members. And it can whitewash the horrendous statistics of those KIA/MIA.

Posted by: Phil R | Nov 21 2023 18:14 utc | 56

Posted by: T.D. | Nov 21 2023 18:08 utc | 56

A 'ceasefire' where the occupiers enforce a total blockade on everything including water, power, food and medicine?
That's a prison and forced suffering not a mutually agreed detente.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 21 2023 18:15 utc | 57

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South Africa to chair BRICS Extraordinary Joint Meeting on the Middle East situation in Gaza, 20 Nov

Opening Remarks by President Cyril Ramaphosa to the Extraordinary Joint Meeting of BRICS Leaders and Leaders of invited BRICS members on the situation in the Middle East, 21 November 2023, 21 Nov


Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 21 2023 18:16 utc | 58

They wanted to destroy the Hamas command centre under the hospital and use force to release the hostages in an attempt to avoid time-consuming negotiations. They destroyed the hospital and everything else around it, did not find the Hamas command centre and are now negotiating to get the hostages released.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 21 2023 18:16 utc | 59

@16: 2. No government has been able to come up with a good argument as to why its people should die instead of the Palestinians. So nobody will come to fight Israel. Governments take care of their proper interests and people.

The good argument is their people will be next in line. Why Russia had to go into Ukraine.

The Russians and Chinese have been fairly quiet. Of course, they have their hands full - each of them, to one degree or another holding open a front against the US. They may judge that the ME can take care of itself - and are even urging restraint. Much as some of us dream of those carriers sinking, maybe that's not the most productive thing, eh? They may also judge that the Empire and Israel are going to do themselves in and they are giving them rope. Or maybe they are just too far away.

Then there is the curious incident of the dog that didn't bark, the Air Defenses that are quiet. Russians have bases there, so of course they have their gear.

Russia and China are quiet enough we can tell something is cooking. Perhaps it is same as Ukraine, can't move too fast for fear of freaking out the Empire.

I only wish I had a way here in the US of throwing sand in the gears.

Posted by: oracle | Nov 21 2023 18:18 utc | 60

In Izzyspeak it has been a success. Quantity above quality.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 21 2023 18:19 utc | 61

librul | Nov 21 2023 16:55 utc | 29

The article explains away the fact that valid intelligence was supposedly ignored repeatedly and over a long period of time

Yes indeed, but yet at the same time reading between the lines the story tells us that spotters noticed special forces reacting to their observations. Special Forces are critical limited resources that will not be redeployed without orders from high command.

Further Scott Ridder tells us that several brigades were redeployed far from Gaza AO.

It certainly raises some interest questions.

Posted by: ATM | Nov 21 2023 18:20 utc | 62

The tragedy is terrible, but the outcome is now going to be a literal existential fight ... for Israel.
The isolation of the West continues.

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 21 2023 18:21 utc | 63

Yippee! Judge Napolitano interviews Jeffrey Sachs on Sachs’ testimony before UN Security Council yesterday. Advise you listen to the testimony (14 minutes at YouTube) before the interview.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 21 2023 18:21 utc | 64

b. Understandable. Hard to think of what's going on in Gaza without disgust rising up and clouding thoughts.\
1. The Israeli Crazies invading the Al-Aqsa Mosque is judiciously avoided mention in the Israeli and Western Media.
2. I am not a Muslim, nor do I accept any religion that claims they or their conjured God is superior to all others, but industrial killing of an entire people is wrong.
3. In the heat of the moment, all ginned up by bloodlust and revenge, Israel is writing her own future and that future gets shorter every day.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 21 2023 18:26 utc | 65

I know the feeling B. It's sickening what's going on.
You're doing all you can and thanks to you we on MOA feel there's hope in this world because you bring us all together.

Posted by: Eoin Clancy | Nov 21 2023 18:27 utc | 66

"Shame on you!" And "Disgusting!"

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 21 2023 18:28 utc | 67

Israelis should be furious with the IDF for massacring Israelis on 7.Oct.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 21 2023 18:32 utc | 68

I very rarely comment on this site, but this morning I listened to a Zionist apologist interviewed on CBC. As he was justifying the horrific atrocities carried out by the IDF, I couldn’t help but notice the inflection in his voice revealing suppressed shame at the absolute criminality of his ilk.

Posted by: Bjmaclac | Nov 21 2023 18:37 utc | 69

Fifteen Things You Should Never Have To Say To A Country

Posted by: Lander | Nov 21 2023 18:41 utc | 70

Well I won’t be dying wondering or even be in doubt about the question I asked the other day that nobody volunteered an answer to ‘who is this Driezin bloke?’

Looks like he’s had plenty of rope and he just hit the end of it- no need to give home any more.

2 consecutive tweets today has this Rottweiler guard dog choking at the end of his.

Blah blah. OK OK, he has to play to his allies & Moozies. Remember, UNSC Res. 1701 called for only peacekeeps & Lebanese army south of Litani river, & for militias (Shitbollah) to be disarmed. Today Shit is all along Israel's border. Who recalls 1701 today? WHO GONNA ENFORCE IT??

WHO CARES who built it, 40 yrs ago? He reminds me of UK tabloid tards who say Putin dies of cancer each month. All mentally defective. Same stream of gotcha BS, warcrimes, fakenews applied to OTHER target

BTW there wont be any multipolar world, so dumb. 21st cent w/b only Russia. “

That Dry-Zone has outed himself as cowardly Zionist Nazio fascist supporting troll bot and just screwed up his PR Narrative?
Is that a new script or did he go off-script?
Either ways he has no currency any more and no one should give him further attention.
Durn fool.. I seen with my own eyes so have no need to guess what he is. A Covid pushing , unipolarist imperial toad- a total dick.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2023 18:42 utc | 71

Glad to be of inspiration, you're welcome.
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 21 2023 17:59 utc | 53

You suppose my gratitude for nothing given? LOL. OK. Thank you for proving an innerboob observation, informally nicked by me decades ago as the Naomi Wolfe Rule of Thumb: No Thing is possible unless it's new to me.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 21 2023 18:43 utc | 72

Thanks for the forum b. Yes, you do deserve a break from it all.
As I always advocate, a long walk, listening to your countrymen — Tangerine Dream. It cleanses the soul.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 21 2023 18:44 utc | 73

b: "But I am too aghast, outraged and depressed"

That's also my feeling when watching what is emanating from Western politicians and MSM in regards to the genocide. While the Zionazi government is ethnically cleansing the Gaza concentration camp, giving moral support to the population that is being exterminated is being criminalized. Rhetorical support as "from the river to the sea Palestine will be free" or "decolonize" giving way to a solution as present-day South Africa has been made illegal.

Posted by: xor | Nov 21 2023 18:45 utc | 74

This is from the LA Times article.

The assessment of the three senior Holocaust and genocide studies scholars is accurate. Gaza now resembles Ukrainian cities after Russian bombings and invasions, but with levels of destruction and killings that have surpassed in less than a month what we have seen in Ukraine in nearly two years: Official U.N. figures from early September note that Russian attacks killed slightly fewer than 10,000 civilians since February 2022, and injured just above 17,500. Israel has so far killed more than 11,000 Palestinians, wounding nearly 30,000. It is important that Biden described Russia’s attack on Ukraine as “genocide” on April 12, 2022, commenting that “we’ll let the lawyers decide, internationally, whether or not it qualifies, but it sure seems that way to me.” In the same way, Gallant’s “total siege” policy, together with the forced displacement of more than 1.5 million of the 2.3 million Palestinians in Gaza, has created what sure seems like genocide.


What intrigues me about this article is the how the author (RAZ SEGAL) uses the so called "genocide" of Ukrainians by Russia as a comparison to the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza by the IDF and Israel: "Gaza now resembles Ukrainian cities after Russian bombings and invasions..." The point that he is making is fair enough, but why single out Russia. What about the years of war by the Ukraine against the people of the Donbass by an illegal, and US imposed government via the 2014 Maidan coup? Had Russia not invaded in February of 2022, the Ukrainian Nazis would have definitely committed genocide against the Russian speaking people of the Donbass and Odessa.

It is fair to compare the number of civilian deaths during the nearly two years of the US sponsored proxy war against Russia (using Ukraine as its own military force) to the 12,000 civilian deaths (including 4,500 children and infants) in Gaza in just one month. However, this leaves the readers thinking that Russia committed genocides, but over a longer time span.

Mr. Segal should have clarified who the civilian victims of this US proxy war were, and who killed them. How many of the dead civilians were pro-Russians living in the four Oblast and Crimea that voted to become members of the Russian Federation? Who was / is killing the civilians in these Oblast that support the Russians? How many of the civilians killed during the SMO are pro-Russian civilians killed by the AFU and how many were Pro-Zelensky civilians killed by the Russian Military? I think that making that distinction would change the color of Raz Segal article without affecting the value of his argument.

I personally do not know the number myself, but I do believe that if the numbers are ever correlated honestly, they will show that the AFU (therefore the US) are responsible for the majority of the civilian deaths to date in the US/NATO conflict with Russia.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 21 2023 18:48 utc | 75

@ sln2002 | Nov 21 2023 18:16 utc | 58

Your 3rd link *South Africa to chair...' redirects to this thread. Should it have been this?

South Africa to chair BRICS Extraordinary Joint Meeting on the Middle East situation in Gaza

Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 21 2023 18:50 utc | 76

What we are seeing, and it is shocking, is Israel unveiling its soul. Showing the world and revealing to itself that the heart of darkness is in the Holy Land.
The extent of this unveiling was never predicted, just as the inexplicable and clumsy diplomacy of the imperialists- it has consisted of little more than attacks on dissension and pouring arms and ammunition into Israel- has been surprising.
Seven weeks of hospital bombings of hundreds of civilian killings every day and there is still no ceasefire?
This is unprecedented. It must have surprised/embarassed even, all but the most demented Israelis: they find themselves in the position of a man crying "Hold me back or I'll kill him" and being assured that he should just carry on-he has a right to kill if he wants.

The cause of this is, firstly the total castration of America's satraps, who have lost any idea of being able to differ in any way from Washington, and the reality that the United States is run, on behalf of completely amoral oligarchs who no longer even pretend to have any conception of sympathy for others, empathy or human feeling, by political campaigners who worship money and power.
This is a civilisation that- quite predictably- has become psychotic: it is capitalism purifying itself of thoughts and ideas that divert resources from capital accumulation.

As to the growing wave of those who have concluded that the entire crisis must have been invented, planned, choreographed and performed as a 'false flag' or 'limited hangout' event.
We are back in familiar territory in the world in which nobody has agency but the Empire, in this case represented by Israel. The idea that the lightly armed, imprisoned and constantly observed Palestinians could have broken the border fences and attacked the IDF- though that is clearly what happened- simply cannot be accomodated in the minds of those who believe that 'There is No Alternative' and 'Resistance is futile.' Those cardinal principles of the western educational system.

The wonderful truth is that the attacks on Israel were not only an expression of the duty of every occupied population but a big defeat for Israel and the cause it buttresses.

And it has been followed by a series of defeats which will add up to the new reality that Israel's existence in its current form as an aggressive, racist force is doomed.

The slow process of inuring the world to the state's weird and uncouth ways has come to an end- from the Rabbis explaining the triviality of the lives of muslim babies, to the school children chanting genocidal slogans, to the Cabinet ministers confessing that Palestinians can choose only between death and enslavement, it is now clear to all that to support Israel, and to continue to enable its existence, is to declare war on the human race, 99% of which, according to Israel, is irremediably inferior and unfit.

The idea that this was a false flag operation springs from the observation that Israel must be winning because it is massacring civilians at will. It is an understandable attitude but it is the opposite of the truth. Israel is losing because it is disgusting the world. And 'the world' in the sense of the opinion of mankind, counts.

Not unconnected is the fact that, in the imperialist countries, the massive demonstrations taking place are led and dominated in some ways by immigrants and the first or second generations descendants of immigrants from the old empires. The moral leadership of these societies has slipped out of the hands of the churches and the intellectuals- most of them heavily compromised in this matter- into the hands of mosques and local muslim groups. Those who regret, for example, the movement of immigrants into France or Germany will now be reflecting that if it were not for these immigrants their societies would have no consciences. The French Communist Party, for example, last weekend organised a march to protest against, not the bombing of Gaza but anti-semitism! I expect Die Linke is doing the same. The old world is dying, its institutions discredited and corrupted.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 21 2023 18:51 utc | 77

Facebook Approved an Israeli Ad Calling for Assassination of Pro-Palestine Activist
After the ad was discovered, digital rights advocates ran an experiment testing the limits of Facebook’s machine-learning moderation.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 21 2023 18:54 utc | 78

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 21 2023 18:42 utc | 71

Dreizin IS the clown world. Some good stuff about the Ukraine war, drowned in his blabber about Variant X (the corona variant that was going to kill all the vaccinated and yes, it could still come) and now constant railing at Alexander Mercouris after he was on The Duran once, plus against the GLOBOHOMO, which make him sound like a closet homo himself, you know the kind that he said was behind all these wars. Especially now that he has turned out to be the war maniac, the Zionist kind, that he said closet gays like Lindsey Graham are because they are repressing their gayness. Refreshing to a certain point, after which you start wondering if Dreizin needs professional help.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 21 2023 18:59 utc | 79

I share your outrage, b. I cannot even take myself to read any corporate and government-sponsored media, including that of Russia. It's pathetic how nearly every government, save for some honourable fews from South America, have become so craven to call a spade a spade and declare Israel a criminal and terrorist state.

Posted by: Steve | Nov 21 2023 19:01 utc | 80

Israel’s “diplomatic Iron Dome” is the US Congress. The political cover it provides is unassailable. Events of the past few weeks, particularly the deliberate targeting and wholesale destruction of medical infrastructure in Gaza, have confirmed there is no limit to what Israel can “get away with” in the eyes of its sponsor.

The foot-dragging over a hostage exchange is based on Israel’s concern that once a “pause” is facilitated it will prove difficult to restart the physical destruction of Gaza. The international community does therefore have some leverage, and the extent to which it can impel an actual ceasefire should be a crucial measure of where this is all going.

A ceasefire should create an opportunity to change “facts on the ground” through a massive influx of humanitarian supply and personnel which could act as a brake on Israel’s ability to restart its rampage. Using Palestine’s recognition at the UN as a precedent, physical control over Gaza must be taken away from Israel. A single multi-ethnic state will likely be the long-term result, but a so-called “two-state” arrangement needs implementation as a bridge.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 21 2023 19:01 utc | 81

Russia and China are quiet enough we can tell something is cooking. Perhaps it is same as Ukraine, ...
Posted by: oracle | Nov 21 2023 18:18 utc | 60

It is certainly similar to Ukraine. The collective West and Israel have plenty of rope to hang themselves with.

There is no upside for Russia and China to get involved directly.
Saving Gaza now cynically would reduce the impact of the conflict and be pissing into the wind.

Russia controls the narrative pointing out and amplifying what the Zionists get wrong. Russia can also permit Iran to export a few choice weapons to Yemen, Hizbollah, Jordan and West Bank, all the while horrible pictures coming from Gaza.

China can swoop in as the benevolent mediator once the US is discredited enough. With current developments there is also no rush, Israel and US are doing quite well on their own. China can help Iran with logistics and directing some oil funds here or there.

All three can win just by technology transfer alone.

Never interrupt your enemy when he is making mistakes.

Posted by: SOS | Nov 21 2023 19:08 utc | 82

Thank you. You may not appreciate how nice it is to hear rare sentiments expressed that are so identifiable. very big deal in the relative vacuum, here. speechlessness in the face of this abysmal situation based solely in hate.
May I encourage those curious about the root causes or false flag suggestions to review the mainstream and social media maneuvers through the month before Oct 7? I recall a series of strange activity, Israeli citizenship/passport stories (what?) some Me Too'ish assaults on mouthy fuckers like Russel Brand and Roger Waters. Making the world a safer place, I guess.
I would look carefully at that stretch of time.
hindsight being 20/20, in comparison

Posted by: Not Ewe | Nov 21 2023 19:15 utc | 83

With bevin at No. 77: "The old world is dying, its institutions discredited and corrupted."

Yes, with this site and comments like yours helping this moving on, to an alternative to the old world.

Defying the narratives, the absurdities, also very important. Today Judge Nap runs a clip of a frantic Kirby declaring how important it is to avoid saying what Israel is doing is genocide, that it's not Israel it's Hamas committing genocide, starting with its October 7 attack against which Israel is merely defending itself.


*"Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". Wikipedia

*We see the reality of the massacre and "cleansing" going on day after day, with its incredibly disgusting lack of proportionality.

*Israeli National Security Leader makes the case for genocide with comments like "we're inflicting suffering not as an end in itself, but only as a means."

Posted by: botete | Nov 21 2023 19:15 utc | 84

HREF="">it is necessary to gather all sources of information available

Posted by: Stonedar | Nov 21 2023 19:23 utc | 85

Following on from Malaysia PM Mahathir Mohammed's Keating-era claim that "Jews rule the world West by proxy" I recall that after Sri Lanka solved its Tamil Tiger problem genocidilly in 2009, there was a rumour that "Israel" had advised the Sri Lankan Govt on a quick fix.

I was watching a typically trashy North Korea doco on last night and was struck by the insultingly puerile way in which the 'regime' is portrayed as beyond hope or redemption. And yet I'm presented with images of an extremely well planned and executed city full of innovatively designed hi-rise buildings (Pyongyang). And all built by 'starving' Koreans!?

I couldn't help thinking "Hang on a second, who's kiďding who?" Then I realised that this is the same sort of contradictory drivel we hear from "Israel" when the Jews are whining about Palestinian untermenchen.

So here's an impertinent question:
Do the Jews 'help' the West's Jew-$lave$ decide who its enemies should be?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 21 2023 19:27 utc | 86

Dear B
Here is François Couperin from Eva

Posted by: Stephane | Nov 21 2023 19:27 utc | 87

Wow! Lots of comments made while I compiled my article, "BRICS+ Emergency Summit & Other Actions". It's possible a few more events will occur today. I hope the Russian and Chinese spooks that monitor my substack understand that my message is shared by millions and must be acted upon. Escobar's Telegram has a very apt political cartoon all should view, here.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 19:28 utc | 88

Ted Rall has an article on Sputnik, opining that Israel is destroying as many of the buildings in the Gaza strip as it can. By destroying the buildings, the people will have to leave.

Posted by: bolangi | Nov 21 2023 19:29 utc | 89

A writer in Al Araby Al Jadeed, noticing something. Here is an excerpt (machine tr)

Today we are faced with a multi-faceted attempt by Western and American citizens to understand the nature of the conflict. The matter was not limited to large demonstrations that toured the capitals of those countries and many cities in them, but rather it went beyond trying to understand the religion followed by the people of Gaza, trying to get to know the Arabs in general, and trying to discover the secret behind the reason for the people of Gaza’s steadfastness in the face of this great aura of military arrogance practiced by Israel. .
Today, Gaza is no longer just a land exposed to barbaric and blatant aggression. Rather, it is a situation that will have its aftermath and future repercussions. No one knows where it will stand. With this Israeli brutality in dealing with its people and with this insistence and steadfastness, many questions are being asked in the West that need answers. Perhaps the first of them is about the secret of this support that the West and America provide to Israel, to practice all this brutality and violate all laws and customs, the support that allowed the State of Israel to deprive schools and hospitals, and for the public to stand unable to deter it, but was, in many cases, supportive and supportive of it, not to mention About being a partner and a major actor, as is the case with America, Britain, and perhaps even France. Rather, the matter has gone beyond that, as Western pens have begun anticipating the future, and they are talking about a conflict that Western regimes and America will be forced to wage with their people in the future, about the reasons that push these regimes to support the entity state, especially since a new history of the Palestinian issue has begun to be understood by Western peoples. Since the outbreak of the aggression against Gaza, over the past eight decades, it has been wanted to have one colour, one taste and one smell, which is the Israeli narrative for this conflict.

(meaning "will be forced to wage against their people.

Posted by: Badger | Nov 21 2023 19:32 utc | 90

What I have been worrying about all along has been voiced by the doctor who did the press conference at Al Ahli after it was bombed.

"What has made this war different from all the previous wars in Gaza and in the region (Yemen, Iraq, etc.) is the way that the destruction of the health system has been the MAIN military strategy
800,000 people have NO access to health care. The injured only have their wounds bandaged, the wounds are not treated, no medication. I honestly believe they will die. This is the military strategy. This is a genocidal war

"Dr Ghassan Abu Sittah is a surgeon who worked at both the al-Shifa and al-Alhi Baptist hospitals in Gaza. He tells Al Jazeera he believes the destruction of the health sector is part of an Israeli military strategy to wipe out the Palestinian population in Gaza – by ensuring no one survives."

There are now about 33,000 injured. In addition to the horrific injuries there are now pneumonia and other diseases from the poor living conditions.

I never imagined I would know the names and tragic stories of the sieges and bombing of every hospital in Northern Gaza.

Al Ahli
Al Nasr
Al Quds
Al Shifa
Indonesian Hospital
Al Awda
Kamal Adwan

Posted by: pq | Nov 21 2023 19:38 utc | 91

When does Israeli genocide become a holocaust as it is the systematic state-sponsored persecution and murder of million of people who just happen to be Muslim?

Posted by: Bill | Nov 21 2023 19:44 utc | 92


Can you comment on the possibility that Pentagon Officers and Washington Politicians might be dragged into War Crimes indictments based on Command Respondibility ? ( and not by the ICC but by another court )

War crimes have no statute of limitations…..

Posted by: Exile | Nov 21 2023 19:51 utc | 93

karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 19:28 utc | 88

With Palestine, I suspect it boils down to Russia China and Iran rather than BRICS. All including Hezbollah appear to have some form of strategy. That is my take due to statements from Iran and Hezbollah. There appears to be some form of status quo or standoff between US and the rest. All major forces basically neutralized due to the great risks with any major military move. With Kinzals on patrol and Chinese warships stationed off Iran, US seems to have been neutralist if it had thoughts of launching war anywhere in the region. But at the same time, any of the major players launching an attack on Israel could easily trigger at the least large scale regional war with the strong possibility of Israel resorting to nuclear weapons.

Russia Iran China moves will I think be subtle, below the threshold of risking greater conflict but will show results in the weeks to come.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2023 19:53 utc | 94

Get what relief you can b, you deserve it and certainly will be better off for having taken time to just sit and do nothing.

It has been a time of learning just how hollow all those pious words about "values" and human rights have become to the Western Governments. I, like b and many others no longer have words to express just how deep my feelings of horror and disgust are.
Added to that, I am coming to the sickening realization that those countries that refuse to ask for a ceasefire, are in the genocide up to their necks. They KNOW what is happening and why. They AGREE with it. They may have even prepared in advance for it.

"This is insane warmongering. UK strong-arming Lebanon into MoU to give up sovereignty and allow UK troops unrestricted permission to enter, build bases and basically occupy it! There's already dozens (hundreds?) of UK SoF there. Squeeze Hez from north?The UK;" (Paveway IV).
A MoU that gives them the "right" to wear UK uniforms and carry arms in Lebanon and go where they will without any way of stopping them. The MOU is possibly not yet finalized, BUT those 33 Big transport planes from Cyprus were not empty. Note that they already have a sizeable force there. That they cannot be held "responsible" by any Lebanese law. etc. Anti-Herzbollah? Of course, and they already have a series of watchtowers on the Syrian Border, and an other large force of troops. (+ 100 Landrovers were *given* to Aoun).

A similar french request for 500 troops( I think, but maybe more like 900) and 50 armoured vehicles, to be allowed to enter Lebanon, was refused. They have sent one of their Mistral class, Helicopter + troop landing ships as "humanitarian" help. Probably to give out bottled water in small amounts. Same reason, anti-herzbollah?

The US fleet is still somewhere off Lebanon at the moment. The carriers may be further away but the other troop ships? but what are they waiting for? something? The US have a large fortress-embassy and large amounts of troops in Lebanon. Plus we see a massive number of Cargo flights to Israel and Lebanon per day..

Could they all have had "advanced" knowledge, or are they now planning to take advantage of the genocide in Gaza, to impose an equally obscene "cleansing" of nearby people that they wish to eliminate? To allow the genocide or Ethnic cleaning to take place?

It is possible that it is the realization that almost the totality of the waste "ruling cliques" are now onboard with genocide, that make me sick to the soul.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 21 2023 19:59 utc | 95

War crimes have no statute of limitations…..
Posted by: Exile | Nov 21 2023 19:51 utc | 93

It's been 20 years now and dubya is still viewed as 'elder statesman'.
Clintons and Obama are still getting asked their 'respected opinions'.

Answer: never

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 21 2023 20:03 utc | 96

"From The River To The Sea" Is Genocide, But Actual Genocide Is Not Genocide
Carlin Johnstone

Posted by: Exile | Nov 21 2023 20:03 utc | 97

Posted by: pq | Nov 21 2023 19:38 utc | 91

Boer war 2.0.

The ghost of Kitchener rides with the 4 horses

Death, Famine, War, and Conquest.

Wrought unto people kind by 'the most moral army in the world' and very very good friends. Bum buddies to the end.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 21 2023 20:04 utc | 98

by Francis Saltus Saltus

Imbecile brute, monster of blood and crime,
A revel of slaughter, infamy and pain,
'T was thy atrocious, grand and impious reign
That soiled the laurels of Caesar in Rome's shrine.

Yet what a marvelous festal life sublime!
Oceans of gore did the arenas stain;
With what Imperial pride thou didst disdain,
In rapine, incest, lust, the Fates and Time!

But history, in its calm, impartial page,
Has doomed thy deeds to an undying shame,
But I, a dreamer, doubt the impeccable sage,
And openly avow I love thy name,
For in this vile and more degenerate age,
I find no sinners worthy of thy fame.

Seems to fit the description of Netanyahu as well

Posted by: canuck | Nov 21 2023 20:07 utc | 99

RE: oracle | Nov 21 2023 18:18 utc | 60

“Russia and China are quiet enough we can tell something is cooking. ”

Doubtful. Russia & China have recently in the last decade been crowned as some new kind of “global leaders”, hailed around the globe and fulfill the role by having as useless of meetings about “international issues” as the last hailed and crowned global leader.

The U.S. holds the cards at UNSC as far as any “legal” maneuvers go, and Saudi Arabia is the only ME country that could have, yesterday, pulled the plug and swiftly injured Israel & US forcing a ceasefire as well as 2 state solution all on their own. But self preservation wins out.

If I sound bitter, it’s because I am. Not “aghast”… as what Colonel McGregor was trying subtly on the Judge to point out is: the US has run around for decades killing and geneciding people … where were the tic-tics? Where was the “genocide” outrage in Libya? Syria? Iraq?
Let’s be serious … Obama droned a wedding party..
I know McGregor wasn’t “excusing” Israel, but let’s all be real, just like the 10 years and even still of Ukraines governance killing their own civilians.. you hardly have to be a “Zionists” zealot state to be carrying out atrocities.

I think all of humanity has to rethink what the heck we’re “about” anymore. Fine to be outraged at Nuttyyahoo & I wish his demise swiftly, but guessing the same mass murdering by an armed force against an unarmed population going on right now in Haiti & it’s not a blip on the radar.

Anyways, that’s why I’m “bitter”. The intervention of at least this mass slaughter where the spotlight is shining big & bright, would have yielded renewed hope in me.
But, alas, all that I expected, which was no expectation at all of intervention, has come to pass, while we all look on helplessly, cuz let’s face it, after our Congress/Senate telephone calls, there’s little left if you reside in the US/EU…
Not like anyone is organizing a “flotilla” event here.

A counselor once told me that “depression is anger turned inward”… I think he’s onto something.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 21 2023 20:10 utc | 100

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