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November 19, 2023
The MoA Week In Review – OT 2023-276

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@ persiflo | Nov 20 2023 5:46 utc | 65
that is kind of funny.. thanks for the additional comments..

Posted by: james | Nov 20 2023 21:20 utc | 101

The Bonesmen guard the Gates of Hell
near Tent City where the Hoi Palloi dwell
There was a time they all lived well
but there’s not much left except the smell
Little by little with less and less
the boiling frogs were dispossessed
Living rough in cars and tents
abandonned by their governments
The one’s in charge are livin large
and they make all the rules
its been easier to fool us
than convince us we’ve been fooled
Inflicting torment and despair
spreading mahem everywhere
while they wallow in excess
due to every billionaire
The greedy-guts can’t get enough
the trough is packed
the pigs are stuffed
but none for you cuz times are tough

Posted by: ld | Nov 20 2023 21:34 utc | 102

@ ld | Nov 20 2023 21:34 utc | 102
nice id!

Posted by: james | Nov 20 2023 22:31 utc | 103

Thanks James
poetry ain’t dead

Posted by: ld | Nov 20 2023 22:38 utc | 104

A bit like the Corbyn government that was never allowed to be.
Posted by: Roger | Nov 20 2023 19:51 utc | 96

Corbyn is provably the most incompetent Labour politician in history
The man is utterly inept as a leader. He never once pushed back against those opposing him. Not once. He utterly betrayed all those that put their hopes in him.
Hes so inept as a leader that if he were to lead a kiddies playgroup for a day out to the park he’d be lucky if half of them weren’t mowed down at the first traffic junction

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 20 2023 22:42 utc | 105

Patroklos @ 91, 95, Peter AU 1 @ 95, Roger @ 96:
Roger is partly correct but does not go far enough.
Getting rid of Gough Whitlam for daring, among other things, to want to know what was going on at Pine Gap and to make as much of that information as possible open to public scrutiny was only the first step for the Americans and the British.
Bit by bit, the Australian Labor Party was eviscerated with the removal of Bill Hayden (who died recently) and his replacement by Bob Hawke just before the 1983 general elections. Hawke played at being a populist leader but in his own way – he was a former Rhodes scholar at Oxford University (and I think you know he was a CIA informant) – was an elitist with a near-messianic view of himself. Among his achievements which in hindsight have had dubious long-term consequences was the Prices and Incomes Accord that his government struck with the trade union movement through the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) in 1983, in which trade unions agreed to moderate their demands for wage increases. While there were benefits that the Australian government agreed to, and which took effect in the 1980s and 1990s – the revival of Medicare being among them – in the long term, the Accord also subtly forced many Australian households to turn to credit to finance essential needs and purchases, especially during periods of high inflation and during the early 1990s recession and the banking industry crash that occurred then.
After Bob Hawke, the profile of Prime Ministers from the Australian Labor Party dips lower and lower, especially after Kevin Rudd’s overthrow in 2010 by Julia Gillard just before the 2010 general elections (27 years after Hawke replaced Hayden) for very dubious and IMO shallow reasons. I have not read Rudd’s autobiography but I believe he did mention that Gillard was backed by pro-Israeli lobby groups to replace him as ALP leader and prime minister.
We now have the situation where current ALP prime minister Anthony Albanese is floundering around like the proverbial goldfish out of water, his hopes of leaving a permanent legacy in The Voice dashed (and even that idea is not original: Hawke established the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission, or ATSIC, with a similar remit and which lasted until the Howard government, feasting on media articles about its dysfunctional culture and chairman Geoff Clark, abolished it), and now he appears to be reacting to events rather than initiating them. But he always gave the impression that he does not really have the personality and other qualities (experience perhaps, insight, wisdom) to be able to deal with the issues and problems that Australia currently faces.
In all of this, how much and how hard were Washington and London pulling the strings?

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 20 2023 23:45 utc | 106

Cont’d from #62
So was Lenin’s policy on nationalities his own unique idea? Of course not. Such ideas were widely discussed in Russian opposition circles.
In 1905–1906, Anton Budilovich (1846–1908), Russian philologist, Slavist, publicist, Slavophile, Dean of Warsaw and Dorpat (Yuryev, now Tartu) universities and a member of the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences, wrote a series of articles that, among other issues, discussed the approaches of opposition political parties to the question of nationalities. This article provides a summary:
Political forecasts by A.S. Budilovich (Nauka Vera Kultura, Aleksandr Kiselyov, November 7, 2023 — in Russian)


A.S. Budilovich paid much more attention to the national aspects of the political situation in the Russian Empire, focusing on sharp criticism of contemporary liberal and socialist recipes for treating the national issue. Budilovich foresaw the type of policy on the national question that since the 1920s was purposefully carried out by the Soviet government and is known in historiography as the policy of korenizatsiya (indigenization). It’s interesting that A.S. Budilovich polemicized not so much with the Social Democrats, but with ideas popular among the opposition liberal intelligentsia. In this regard, it can be assumed that the concept of resolving the national question subsequently implemented by the Bolsheviks was not their exclusive invention. It rather reflected popular ideas widespread in Russian public opinion. For example, thinking about the consequences of the programs and ideas put forward as an alternative to government policy, the professor argued that to implement them in the field of education, it would be necessary to transfer “our Malorussian south to the scientific leadership of another academy, a Ukrainian one, into which the Shevchenko Society would be transformed, moved to Kiev from Lvov, as it won’t be needed there due to the Polonization of Galicia: subsequently, more separate academies would gradually arise: Belarussian, Latvian, Estonian, etc.” [1, p. 105]. If we remember that in 1924 one of the ideological fathers of Ukrainian Nationalism M.S. Grushevskiy was made an academician of the All-Ukrainian Academy of Sciences (VUAN) in the Ukrainian SSR, heading the archaeographic commission of the VUAN, and was appointed professor of history at Kiev State University, one cannot help but be surprised at the accuracy of the forecast. Not to mention the fact that this period marked the beginning of the policy of forced Ukrainization. In the field of primary and secondary education, Budilovich predicted that “the state language will be preserved only in Velikorussian schools, since in Belarussian and Malorussian schools the jargons of the Russian-Polish type, similar to the one now dominant in Chervonorussian* schools, will gradually take hold; in all schools on the outskirts, all teaching from top to bottom will be conducted in local languages: German, Polish, Armenian, etc.” [1, p. 104]. It should be noted here that A.S. Budilovich had a negative attitude towards the version of the Ukrainian literary language that was used in the Ukrainophile press of Austro-Hungarian Galicia.
The prominent scientist strongly opposed the idea of the right of “national self-determination” [3, p. 273], the implementation of which was aimed at radically changing the form of government of the Empire. A.S. Budilovich pointed out that the very concept of “self-determination” was poorly defined: from the question of which ethnic groups this right should be granted to the impossibility of agreeing on what exactly this self-determination amounts to. All that remained unclear, not to mention the fact that most ethnic communities “did not have a specific territory, but were scattered throughout the Empire” [3, p. 274]. Partially understanding this problem, inspired by the ideals of either cosmopolitanism or proletarian internationalism, the party ideologists put forward the “principle of autonomy of the outskirts” [3, p. 275], which was closely connected with the idea of federalization of Russia. As a result, many figures saw as optimal the vision of Russia as a federation of “regions based on historical and ethnographic principles” [3, p. 277]. For some socialists, such a federation seemed still too connected with the Russian state tradition, so “the United States of Eastern Europe appear in place of Russia.” However, for some intellectuals, even this option seemed insufficiently progressive and suitable for all participants in the revolutionary movement. That is why “another political faction is emerging among us: the transformation of Russia from a union of regions into a union of states or, as the Germans put it, from the Bundesstaat to the Staatenbund” [3, p. 278].
Experience of the political crisis of 1905–1907 showed that the implementation of the right of nations to self-determination was fraught with “streams of blood” caused both by terror and violence against Russians “without distinguishing between Velikorussians, Malorussians and Belarussians” [3, p. 279] and by a wave of interethnic conflicts, such as “the discord between the Mingrelians and the Abkhazians and the Svanetians on the Black Sea coast; massacres of the Tatars [Azerbaijanis — S] and the Armenians in Baku, Shusha, Tiflis [Tbilisi — S], etc.” Budilovich hoped that this negative experience had sobered up many fantasists, but admitted that the unsuccessful “outcome of the first attempt of the federalists to transform Russia according to their theories should not, however, lull us in terms of the future. Such attempts, no doubt, will be repeated many more times, even if in a different form” [3, p. 280]. In the immediate future, A.S. Budilovich’s biggest fear was that because of the political goals of the Constitutional Democratic Party, the State Duma would try to pass a bill on “the dismemberment of Russia into autonomies” [3, p. 280], which will push the Empire along the path of development of Austria-Hungary “with the only difference that there, only the Budapest and Vienna parliaments [the Diet and the Reichsrat — S] have the rights as broad as all our local parliaments and governments, perhaps two dozen of them, would have if we followed the decision of Messrs. Kadets [members of the Constitutional Democratic Party — S]”. It is interesting that he saw the finale of this evolution as the transformation of Russia “into a union of several independent states, connected among themselves only by a thin thread of a dynastic union” [3, p. 285], and “the Russian people would lose the most; having lost the possibility of development and even existence in the autonomous outskirts, it would have lost the rights of national self-determination within the empire” [3, p. 286]. It should be noted that A.S. Budilovich, as a loyal monarchist, wouldn’t allow even the shadow of a thought about the disappearance of the dynasty and its complete loss of political power. His understanding was greatly influenced by the ongoing experiences of Austria-Hungary. However, the predictive power of the scientist’s judgments is noteworthy. Budilovich almost guessed the number of union republics within the USSR: from 1940 to 1956 there were 16 of them. To reach two dozen, another 8 national republics would be necessary, but if we remember that, for example, in 1969 there were another 20 autonomous republics in the USSR [apart from the Soviet republics — S], then, at least in his writings, Budilovich was not mistaken in the order of the number of constructed republics. Their relative unity, however, was ensured not by a personal dynastic union, but by the power of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, whose structure included the Communist Party of the Ukraine, the Communist Party of Kyrgyzstan, etc., but, characteristically, there was no separate Communist Party of Russia.
Thus, in general, A.S. Budilovich turned out to be right in determining many of the political consequences of the implementation of the political ideas regarding national and religious issues that were popular among the opposition intelligentsia at the beginning of the 20th century. This seems to be a rather important observation, since, for example, the Bolshevik version of the solution to the national problem did not appear out of nowhere and was not the only option for a radical reorganization of the country. Whether it was Lenin’s planned Union of Soviet Republics of Europe and Asia or the Kadets’ program of “regional representative assemblies,” for A.S. Budilovich such a decision was unacceptable, and the scientist was fighting against such ideas with his writings. To some extent, he foresaw the features of the state structure of the post-imperial space after the 1917 [October — S] Revolution and the Soviet policy on nationalities.
1. Budilovich, A.S. (1905). Nauka i politika, Tri statyi po zlobodnevnym voprosam. St. Petersburg: Pushkinskaya Skoropechatnya. 110 pages.

3. Budilovich, A.S. [1906]. “Vopros ob okrainakh Rossii v svyazi s teoriey samoopredeleniya narodnostey i trebovaniyami gosudarstvennogo yedinstva.” In Klimakov, Yu.V., Platonov, O.V. (ed.) (2014). Slavyanskoye edinstvo. Moscow: Institut russkoy tsivilizatsii. pp. 267–287.
* Chervonorussian (Red Russian) is another term for Rusyn. Geographically located in Eastern Hungary, Middle and Eastern Galicia and Northern Bukovina. — S

Posted by: S | Nov 21 2023 2:04 utc | 107

Just as I thought, Milei has unjoined BRICS so there’s no need to worry about barring a just appointed member. It won’t take long given his insanity for the people to rebel.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 2:17 utc | 108

@Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 20 2023 22:42 utc | 105
If he was so inept how did he nearly win the 2017 election, coming from way behind and against the mass opposition of the media and his own Head Office? He also survived multiple attempts to overthrow him early on from within the party.
Given the embedded right-wing Blairites all over the Head Office, and in the Labour parliamentary party, it would have been hard for any leader to remake the party. Naive yes, not Stalinist enough in destroying his opponents yes (which he should have after getting the overwhelming support of the Party against the Blairites, should have been automatic MP re-selection and a Night of the Long Knives at Head Office), but certainly not incompetent. What really made him weak enough to be taken out by the anti-semitism nonsense was the Brexit policy that was the work of the establishment-plant Starmer.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 21 2023 2:26 utc | 109

@Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 21 2023 2:17 utc | 108

Just as I thought, Milei has unjoined BRICS so there’s no need to worry about barring a just appointed member. It won’t take long given his insanity for the people to rebel.

So he is not disappointing then! Unfortunately he now has four years to do as much damage as he can until the electors get another chance, a sad state of affairs. Macri used those four years to great advantage for the Ukrainian oligarchs. Milei was very up front about what he would do.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 21 2023 2:32 utc | 110

@Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 20 2023 23:45 utc | 106
Kevin Rudd also went up against Australia’s all-powerful carbon lobby with his climate change legislation, they would have pulled every dirty trick in the book to get rid of him.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 21 2023 2:38 utc | 111

Cont’d from #62 and #107
Personally, I don’t think Lenin’s policy was all that wrong, except I think Velikorussia, Malorussia and Belorussia should have stayed together as the Russian SFSR and there should have been no indigenization (1920s–30s Soviet policy of forcing republican languages—some of them created just a few years earlier—on ethnic Russians and Russian speakers).

Posted by: S | Nov 21 2023 3:12 utc | 112

“…It won’t take long given his insanity for the people to rebel…” karlof1@108
He’s mad alright but he’s backed by the worst elements of the armed forces- which will take over completely, edging out any moderates, now- the oligarchs, who put him in power, international finance, (I know I repeat myself, but not quite) and the Empire which is likely, asc it retreats from Asia and Europe to console itself by killing latin americans which is what it enjoys best.
Never forget Hitler was nuts too and a lot of clever people thought that he would provoke a popular uprising and end up on a lamp post, instead his grip on power got stronger and stronger. Milei a talented demagogue is not to be underestimated, not least because he won’t be doing any thinking for himself, just selling reaction.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 21 2023 3:43 utc | 113

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 20 2023 3:04 utc | 57
Radio astronomy:
When I was fifteen I transcribed several days worth of interview tapes between my penologist [sic!] stepfather and Joe Redenbaugh who was serving a life sentence handed down in 1917. https://pjefamilyresearch.blogspot.com/2015/05/on-this-date-in-minnesota-history-may-25.html
He spent several years in solitary in Pentonville, a very tough place. As a boy he used to ride the railway trains for free, got involved with a mob, killed a cop (and more) and then did very hard time. But they did let him out, in the early 70’s I think, when he was quite old. His last few decades in the Pen he studied and passed examinations about radio astronomy and when he was finally released, and despite his age, he got a job as one somewhere. He was a good storyteller and I enjoyed transcribing the cassettes. On the search for Joe R for this post further down from the link above was a BBC 3 Programme listing my stepfather made. I had left home by then otherwise would no doubt have listened to it with him.
Anyway: there’s an oddball radio astronomy story for ya!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 21 2023 3:48 utc | 114

UpToEleven@105
You’re posting at the wrong website. As Roger’s reply indicates there are lots of people here who know what they are talking about.
Your view of Corbyn coincides precisely with that of Starmer’s mob, the media and the Tories- to make no mention of the US embassy. Corbyn was fighting against very long odds. He didn’t win. He didn’t expect to but he advanced the cause of reform socialism in the world very considerably. For decades to come the story of the campaign that he waged, the ideas he advanced and the broad alliance- from the Daily Telegraph to the most rotten unions to the CIA to the State of Israel to the SIS and the Military- mobilised against him will be notorious as enemies of humanity and the working folk of England and Wales.- the first and last victims of the British Empire.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 21 2023 4:05 utc | 115

S@107
Your contributions are invariably thoughtful and well informed- you add much to the discussions here. Your information on the history of the Nationalities question is no exception.
My own views, developed very recently, and very much ‘off the top of my head’are that there is a real continuity between the approach to the nationalities of the former Russian Empire and the revolutionaries’ recognition that their hopes for survival lay in the east and among the oppressed peoples of the colonies of Empire.
Not to the exclusion of the working class of the ‘advanced’ capitalist economies but, in the circumstances of the time, deserving of at least as much political energy.
If that was their strategy it made sense not only in proofing the Soviet Union against subversion from outside among ethnic and religious minorities but in weakening imperialism where it was most vulnerable for its racism and authoritarianism.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 21 2023 4:23 utc | 116

Just a reminder that Gonzalo Lira is still alive – and in prison. The “justice system” of Ukraine shifted his day in court to January 6th 2024. Well, at least they have some sense of humour.
If there was any hope left in me in regards to this I’d speculate they will try to push this as far ahead as possible into 2024. And as soon as the Empire’s pressure on the Ukraine is finally fading (into oblivion) they will let him go.

Posted by: NotYourBob | Nov 21 2023 4:33 utc | 117

re 114 – It’s jukebox time again: another penologist at work, the man Johnny Cash with an amazing performance at San Quentin (includes video).
I was not too surprised to learn that young Cash, aged 12 or so, went by a church and got struck with a mission, telling him to make country music – which by god he did.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 21 2023 4:35 utc | 118

What value does the state create ?
Why should the state consume more than 3% or 6% of the productive sectors ?
Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 18:42 utc | 90
Oh no not this again Exile and the word value. Value is in the eye of the beholder. Get 1000 people in a room and they will view value as what is important to them.
Government can command any resources available for sale in its currency and can use its sovereign power to force those resources to be freed up so it can purchase them for the public good.
This is in sharp contrast to the neo-liberal viewpoint which is that government is just another organisation in the system that has to compete for resources by price. Business and banks always get first choice of resources and government has to make do with the scraps.
The neo liberals believe and do you thst the bankers and businesses should be in charge and that the population are just factors of production to be shifted around, like ingots of steel, as business requires.
There is a different approach. You can determine that business and banks are servants of the people. Government can take first choice of resources for the public purpose, then allow business and banks to work with what is left, before local communities hoover up any left over resources with a Job Guarantee.
The public wrap of the private system provides a containment vessel around the nuclear power of capitalism. We can draw its power without the boom. We can fuel it with public investment and improve the power output.
Regarding value Exile. An awful lot of private sector activity adds about as much real value to the economy as a government furlough payment. During covid nobody missed some of it when it was gone.
Do you want me to go over the Skye bridge again. Show the difference between the bridge being built either between government keystrokes hiring the skills and real resources to build it.
Or bank lending hiring the skills and real resources to build it from which to extract rent and put a toll on the bridge. When the government keystrokes made it free to cross ?

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 21 2023 9:17 utc | 119

The Vox (alleged Spanish far right) founder who was shot in the face last week or something.
Dailymail is saying a british couple was arrested….
Any comments?

Posted by: newbie | Nov 21 2023 10:54 utc | 120

Corbyn was fighting against very long odds. He didn’t win.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 21 2023 4:05 utc | 115

lol
he didnt even fight
he was completely useless when attacked by the Zionazi agents in his party and in the media.
He didn’t expect to but he advanced the cause of reform socialism in the world very considerably.
this is hilarious nonsense you are posting here. Corbyn was so successful at advancing the cause of socialism that the Tories won another 4 years and his party was immediately taken over by a Mossad sponsored cryptoZionist piece of shit like Keir Starmer.
The incompetent buffoon never once pushed back on their lies.
absolutely useless as a leader.
For decades to come the story of the campaign that he waged, the ideas he advanced and the broad alliance- blah blah blah
ROFLMAO
your ability to completely delude yourself is hilarious.
you really are clueless. People like you dont inhabit the real world at all.
Corbyn will be simply forgotten in a few years.
If remembered at all it’ll be as an embarrassment, an example of how not to act (or in his case “not act”) when under political attack from ZioNazis.
Like I said: the man showed no leadership abilities whatsoever, was completely frozen in fear when faced with opposition.
Through his constant inaction and refusal to fight back he betrayed the hopes of all those who voted for him
You simply repeating your childish delusions and grandiose sounding proclamations as to the important legacy the dull grey mediocrity known as Corbyn leaves behind him, can’t change the reality of his complete incompetence as a political leader
Last week the stupid cunt could not even push back against a “Condemn Hamas’ Terrorism” demand.
The fuckin incompetent husk of a man that he is.

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 21 2023 11:02 utc | 121

Corbyn was fighting against very long odds. He didn’t win.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 21 2023 4:05 utc | 115

lol
he didnt even fight
he was completely useless when attacked by the Zionazi agents in his party and in the media.
He didn’t expect to but he advanced the cause of reform socialism in the world very considerably.
this is hilarious nonsense you are posting here. Corbyn was so successful at advancing the cause of socialism that the Tories won another 4 years and his party was immediately taken over by a Mossad sponsored cryptoZionist piece of shit like Keir Starmer.
The incompetent buffoon never once pushed back on their lies.
absolutely useless as a leader.
For decades to come the story of the campaign that he waged, the ideas he advanced and the broad alliance- blah blah blah
ROFLMAO
your ability to completely delude yourself is hilarious.
you really are clueless. People like you dont inhabit the real world at all.
Corbyn will be simply forgotten in a few years.
If remembered at all it’ll be as an embarrassment, an example of how not to act (or in his case “not act”) when under political attack from ZioNazis.
Like I said: the man showed no leadership abilities whatsoever, was completely frozen in fear when faced with opposition.
Through his constant inaction and refusal to fight back he betrayed the hopes of all those who voted for him
You simply repeating your childish delusions and grandiose sounding proclamations as to the important legacy the dull grey mediocrity known as Corbyn leaves behind him, can’t change the reality of his complete incompetence as a political leader
Last week the stupid cunt could not even push back against a “Condemn Hamas’ Terrorism” demand.
The fuckin incompetent husk of a man that he is.

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 21 2023 11:02 utc | 122

S @107
Yep, “Unipolarity in One Country” was definitely the way to go, particularly if one’s goal was the eventual restoration of capitalism. Imagine how much better off capitalist Russia would be today if those pesky national identities had been thoroughly crushed by that “Man of Steel” with the handlebar `stache.
For completeness, though, it should be noted that socialism wasn’t a “game” and empty sweet words to fool the masses for Lenin like it was for Stalin. Lenin took socialist ideals seriously, and the national question wasn’t planned around the eventual dissolution of the Soviet Union by the ideologically bankrupt descendants of Stalinist dogma. Had the Soviet Union continued the revolution (it can never be finished until genuine communism is established) rather than throwing in the towel and restoring capitalism, then Lenin’s approach to the national question would have continued to succeed. It was the ill-conceived abandoning of socialism and revolution that led to the national question turning into a monumental disaster.
Typical middle class foolishness. For some well intentioned people even here, the ideals of multilateralism are just part of the “game” to defeat the unilateralism of the Empire of Delusions. Perhaps it is even so for Putin. It is just sweet pablum to get the “little people” aligned against the Empire, and they would have it abandoned as soon as the threat from the Empire recedes so that their “national team” can grab their resources. The Chinese, however, are very serious about multilateralism.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 21 2023 11:07 utc | 123

If he was so inept how did he nearly win ……
Posted by: Roger | Nov 21 2023 2:26 utc | 109

ROFLMAO
just listen to yourself
“How did he nearly win!!!” ????? 😀
that’s just a fools way of avoiding saying “He lost”
a more pertenant question would be: “Given the anger against the Tories and austerity politics, given the surge in youth voting and Labour party membership, how did the useless fuck manage to lose?”
A few months before the 2017 election, while the media was full of “Russian interference in Brit elections” lies, Al Jazeera produced a bombshell documentary catching the Zionazis on camera in the act of directly interfering in the British elections.
Corbyn, in his usual useless fashion, was completely unable to any political capital whatsoever from that story.
It was a perfect weapon to use against the ZioNazi traitors in his own party. The perfect present handed to him, giftwrapped by Al Jazeera.
And the useless fuck was completely incompetent when it came to using it as a political weapon.

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 21 2023 11:44 utc | 124

That al Jazeera Documentary was the perfect weapon to attack the traitors in his own party. The evidence needed you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was a Zionazi-controlled smear campaign in operation, operating against the interests of the British people, and Corbyn completely blew it.
He should have been in the house of commons every leaders question time slamming the Tories, the BBC and the traitors in his own party, at every opportunity, with the caught-on-camera revelations in that documentary.
yet he did nothing of the sort.
A more useless Political leader would be hard to imagine

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 21 2023 11:50 utc | 125

UpToEleven | Nov 21 2023 11:44 utc | 123
In many ways I agree with you. But you’re blaming a man for not being a scumbag like Tony Blair, for Corbyn not being cutthroat enough, not devious and cunning enough or corrupt and deceitful.
Corbyn was Corbyn, who else could he have been? He never had any chance making it to PM or leading Labour to victory in the UK. Corbyn never had the equivalent of the IRA behind him. Don’t blame him look at those who were blocking him instead – in and out of the Labour Party, mostly outside of it. The mega wealthy who really run the country and the world. The Politicians don’t, they serve them. Corbyn did not.
Blame the people of the UK as a whole – they sold themselves out when Thatcher came to power, they sold themselves out every time they bought a Murdoch newspaper since the 1980s.
I suggest, tone it down and look at the nation – it’s fucked and so are almost all the people who sail in her. It will take a mass revolution to even begin to start fixing up the mess the wealthy and corrupt have inflicted upon the country.
I think Corbyn can retire happy and content. He shone alight, half a million new members followed and then he was white anted and brought down by the scum of the earth. Give him a break, cut him some slack. He was only one man against the entire machine. He never sold out like Bernie Sanders did.
But whatever, if you must and need to make a point how screwed up things became in 2017 and since, speak your peace. Like I said, you are more or less right. He was not up to the job. A damn pity. But who else was there waiting in the wings who could have done better?
Cheers.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 21 2023 12:05 utc | 126

https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/Asia/Trillion-Dollar-Bailout-What-Xi-Really-Wants-From-Biden.html
This claim about China looks utterly bizarre.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 21 2023 15:10 utc | 127

UpToEleven
You are clearly obsessed, firstly with yourself but more importantly with Corbyn-the man. You have no understanding of what socialist politics are about- they are about changing society from bottom to top. They involve mobilising the people against the pretorian guards of the Establishment- the media, the military, the police, the Academy, the Empire.
This cannot be done on the fuherprinzip which you, like all silly bourgeois, adhere to.
Your criticism of Corbyn is that he was not dictatorial enough, that he didn’t assert himself, that he refused to break the rules, as Starmer (who I presume that you admire, if only for his ‘strength’ of mind) routinely does.
There is a reason for this- gains made by changing rules, cheating or misleading people are never real. When put under pressure they fold immediately.
This has been the story of social democracy: elections won by sweet talking people, telling them that all they need to do is to vote, that the military, civil service etc will reverse course and give in to the election winners, never lead to any gains. They lead to Wilsons, Scholtzs, Hollandes, Sanders. And the reason is that the candidate, the election machine, the PR is all that there is.
When the capitalists go on strike- lock out their employees, subvert the Civil Service, refuse to pay taxes, export their capital- when the class struggle for power begins in earnest your strong leader has nobody on his side. There is no mass movement because mass movements, composed of people who know what they want and understand how to get it, are not made up of fan club members primed to vote and go home.
When a socialist party wins an election- everything remains to be done. Power is almost as distant as ever it was, all that has been achieved is the chance to move the struggle for power to a level at which the power of the masses, the strength in numbers of crowds with conviction tells.
(Trotsky has a passage in which he describes the way that the Cossacks, mobilised to put down the revolution, join it.)
Corbyn did something that rarely happens, he struck a chord with a large part of the population- it was evident at the Tranmere rally, and at Glastonbury and throughout the 2017 campaign wherever there was a crowd.
You may not understand it (you don’t) but his enemies did. The likes of Netanyahu, Pompeo and Tony Blair understood. The oligarchs who ran the newspapers understood. And they pulled out all the stops to make sure that he did not win an election and begin the process of implementing the platform that he ran on. ‘ He represented the first challenge to the capitalists and the Empire since the Miners Strike.
And all you got out of it was that he didn’t become the political Daddy that you so desperately want, to read you stories and lullaby you back to sleep. “Hell hath no fury like a woman (or fan) scorned.”

Posted by: bevin | Nov 21 2023 15:55 utc | 128

The ramp up of anti Musk propaganda since his take over of twitter in the media is becoming noticeable. A little harder to do a Trump job on Musk.
Musk obviously has backing by a faction in the deep state state and so, to me, this is beginning to look like a factional war in the US. The factional war appears to be between those that want large empire and those who think empire needs to be reduced to that which US can control for a longer term. Pragmatic empire vs dreamer empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 21 2023 16:06 utc | 129

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 21 2023 15:10 utc | 127
I would say read his bio and other articles and you’ll get a rough idea.

Posted by: Wee_Scot | Nov 21 2023 16:36 utc | 130

On the other thread there was a discussion on Myanmar which was the first time I posted.
I noticed that Naked Capitalism has now got up an interesting link on it (not sure on everyones view of the site but I think it is ok).
I did read about Russia’s ties to Myanmars junta, but my impression is they are declining so I wonder what everyone else’s opinion is on Russia’s stance here.
Here are a couple of links on the matter.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/11/is-myanmars-armed-resistance-on-the-verge-of-victory-against-brutal-military-junta.html
https://korybko.substack.com/p/interpreting-russia-the-us-and-chinas
Just a genuine question from myself.

Posted by: Wee_Scot | Nov 21 2023 16:43 utc | 131

I’m sorry but this made me laff
what a moniker
Posted by: ld | Nov 19 2023 21:27 utc | 41
Mine is Hope Yen, an AP News stringer who published some years ago, currently assigned, I find, to an Xtwitter UID account. Quite a comical demonstration of, ahem, generative linguistic performance…
and “learned helplessness”: I gave y’all Opinion | Joe Biden: The U.S. won’t back down from the challenge of Putin and Hamas and what did you do with it?

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 21 2023 17:46 utc | 132

Posted by: S | Nov 21 2023 3:12 utc | 112
What we are seeing in the former Russian Empire now is the result of Lenin’s ethnocracy.
And that’s not all, there will be many more to come.
Is that nice? Is that good?
One could argue now that Lenin did not know and only wanted the best.
Wrong argument, because he was able to follow the terrible result on the Bosphorus.
Live 1918-22!
It was precisely at that time that there was war, displacement, deaths, expropriations for millions of people on all sides. He had see the result of his ethnocracy in the Ottoman Empire. The same ideas/base was installed in the Balkans, Middle East ( perfery of the Ottoman Empire) in 1800 ( 100 yars early too ).
Now 200 years later there is still no peace in the region of this former Ottoman Empire.
Was he uneducated, uninterested in world politics?
If yes, forgive him,
if no, then he is on a par with certain other historic personalities,
then let him stew in the cave

Posted by: theo | Nov 21 2023 23:32 utc | 133

This world’s problem is inner poverty, not outer.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 22 2023 5:31 utc | 134

Xinhuanet has an interesting posting up with the title
China’s financial market opening-up continues apace
The quotes

The move demonstrates China’s confidence and resolution to expand its opening-up, said Zeng Gang, director of the Shanghai Institution for Finance and Development.
Allowing more overseas bank card clearing institutions to enter the Chinese market will help build a stable bank card clearing market structure with effective competition, and deepen the supply-side structural reform of the payment industry, Zeng said.
China has been stepping up efforts to promote a high level of financial opening-up, implementing concrete measures such as allowing global investors to invest in China’s capital market through more channels, and scrapping securities, futures and fund ownership caps for foreign institutions.

I don’t like reading about the elimination of ownership caps because folks with fiat money will abuse their ability to buy things with magic money.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 22 2023 7:13 utc | 135

@ bevin | Nov 21 2023 15:55 utc | 128
Thanks really liked your missive retort. 🙂
Especially this …. but I need to add in that duplicitous OBAMA
They lead to Wilsons, Scholtzs, Hollandes, Sanders. And the reason is that the candidate, the election machine, the PR is all that there is.
When the capitalists go on strike- lock out their employees, subvert the Civil Service, refuse to pay taxes, export their capital- when the class struggle for power begins in earnest your strong leader has nobody on his side.
There is no mass movement because mass movements, composed of people who know what they want and understand how to get it, are not made up of fan club members primed to vote and go home.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 22 2023 9:32 utc | 136

The election of Javier Milei in Argentina looks like just another US color revolution to me. The Argentinian Zelenski.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 22 2023 10:07 utc | 137

Maintaining anglo control in the pacific…I guess there will be more bugs in the pacific than a lice infested dormitory if the pacific Island nations allow this.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-22/australia-roving-pacific-cyber-experts-online-threats-grow/103135782
“The Australian government has announced it will set up roving teams of cyber experts to help Pacific Island nations deal with the growing online threats posed by criminal organisations and hostile states.
Australian officials have become increasingly worried about the Pacific’s vulnerability to cyber attacks, even as they face mounting questions about Australia’s own capacity to deter criminal organisations and foreign governments targeting critical infrastructure, businesses and households across the country.”

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 22 2023 12:35 utc | 138

Two Pakistanis visiting China over land via Khunjerab pass @ 4700 m October 2023. Their experience in Xinjiang: every 5th car is police; twice videos were removed from their mobiles; no public praying outside in China. Real Iron brother!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fC7GTSR1wc

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 22 2023 15:13 utc | 139

Antonym | Nov 22 2023 15:13 utc | 139 …..
Why don’t you bugger off to a religious-manic theocracy such as Saudi Arabia or Israel?
(unless of course you already are there)

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 22 2023 17:25 utc | 140

Mystery of the missing bond. An UBS bank bond had CUSIP deleted the day before it was maturing, and the bond simply disappeared.
Since the bond is the liability of UBS, and asset of someone else, the capital of the bond simply vanished.
https://twitter.com/DarioCpx/status/1727104700531785820

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 22 2023 17:35 utc | 141

A barfly Bemildred once asked me about the meaning of live, and I’ve promised an answer. As of now, I still feel not prepared to dissect the problem, but I can say that my opinion does not produce a different result from that stated by John Cleese and quoted here a while back. Today I found another statement, given by Richard Feynman, which is basically congruent:
“Fall in love with some activity, and do it! Nobody ever figures out what life is all about, and it doesn’t matter. Explore the world. Nearly everything is really interesting if you go into it deeply enough. Work as hard and as much as you want to on the things you like to do the best. Don’t think about what you want to be, but what you want to do. Keep up some kind of a minimum with other things so that society doesn’t stop you from doing anything at all.” ~ Book: Surely You’re Joking, Mr. Feynman!
It is notable that both quotes do not attempt at a body of ethics. Why that is will be everyone’s guess – mine would be that both men had a capacity to relate empathically to their surrounding, and to accept the presence of others (to include beings such as animals and plants) as reason enough to willingly share their inhabited world with them; that is to say, to coexist among peers and others, together in Gaia.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2023 22:41 utc | 142

I see now that “peers and others” is a problematic wording. My first hunch was to use “among equals” but then thought I’d rather reserve this for legalistic matters. The problem behind has no easy answer. – How do we avoid hurting others?
The prophet Mani taught a strict form of veganism, and refrained from even picking an onion with his own hands. The Jain religion of India has some disciples who dress only naked to avoid crushing small insects.
That pain is a reality is a riddle in itself. Leibniz called it the problem of Theodizee, his analysis makes for a good argument against an omniscient, all-powerful, all-good God. Manichaeism actually solved the problem in a way, by introducing a counterforce to the light (~nous), the darkness (“not-even-a-thing”) that somehow has afflicted the heavenly realm, to the consequences we now face. In this view, all evil man does follows from the severed bonding to the pure light, a concept which seems close to something called forgetfulness in Indian theology. Our task, therefore, is to reestablish the connection within us, and to purify ourselves and the intermingled cosmos around us in an ongoing process akin to a destillation of “soul stuff” towards the heavenly realm, which as Mani assures is just “beyond” as a meta-cosmos.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2023 23:02 utc | 143

Argentina: Who’s next
Argentina’s collapse accelerated with the ascension to power of Javier Milei. The peons are tired and don’t know where to go. The following 4 analysts give lots of perspective and some history to help place it into a global context. Escobar’s take is by far the most informative and detailed, Norton gives his typically well thought out Marxist (I think) perspective which I agree with but doesn’t have the depth that Escobar brings. The Duran seems to struggle to understand Latin America but I listen to Mercouris almost daily and he adds a bit, albeit from a Euro point of view.
My overall view– partially influenced by the above guys but not all– is the following.
Argentina is typical of most regions conquered and settled by the Spanish and Portuguese empires. The klans that form the oligarchic class are more like the medieval feudal lords than the North American/north Euros who genocided and settled up there. The Latin American blue teamer types tend to be sort of pro-gay, pro choice, they try and look like Gavin Newsome but they are still princelings. Kirchners and Fernandez seem similar to the Clintons and Obamas: new rich sort of hipsters who talk the talk of lefties but hang with the jet setters. Speaking of jet setters, Pepe Escobar says Patagonia is booming with boomer American oligarchs. Ted Turner bought a huge chunk of land with a big lake, other bazillionaires are buying up tracts and ordering up mansions in preparation for the rapture/holocaust/armageddon/ww3. The new guy– Milei– will step up the sell off as the switch to the dollar will trigger a massive “buy” for the hordes in the U.S. who worship the golden calf.
Escobar’s perspective is worth the time: the first 25 minutes of the “gaggle” link. the others are interesting if you want to get more.
Ben Norton– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN6hoIb-QqA&t=11s
the Duran– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srEuXYhTFKE
Pepe Escobar– https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srEuXYhTFKE

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 22 2023 23:10 utc | 144

Posted by: bevin | Nov 21 2023 15:55 utc | 128
Appreciate your framing and insight. I think we all tend to look for a super hero to save us.
bottom line: it’s on me… and you. Man up. Woman up. Want control? Take it.

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 22 2023 23:24 utc | 145

more on Argentina’s milei
Some say he’s a Pinochet “wannabe”. He’s definitely a fake libertarian and looks to me like a Trump-like conman (Pinochet was the real deal: a bonified psychopathic killer with good organizational skills). This short piece says he faces lots of resistance in the legislator, likely will expose his skill sets early on…
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231122/argentinas-milei-needs-to-muster-legislative-support-may-still-fail-to-enact-reforms-1115153287.html

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 23 2023 0:31 utc | 146

Assorted Canadian news
Cross border human smuggling through First Nation into upstate New York
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/akwesase-human-smuggling-us-border-patrol-court-1.7037146
Humpback whale not seen in 30 years washes up in Nova Scotia (2 mins)
https://youtu.be/bKyQEcL4yuk
Mysterious fires in Southern Quebec (apropos for Hells Angels really)
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/regional/2023-11-23/beauce/de-mysterieux-incendies-detruisent-des-entrepots.php
Oh right, that Rainbow Bridge incident that looked like terrorism but wasn’t —
But first – from last night’s CBC the National’s The Moment, Orillia, Ontario lights up ‘Canada’s Worst Christmas Tree’ (90 secs)
https://youtu.be/Sj7wghccX94
Five things to know about Rainbow Bridge
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/five-border-crossing-facts-to-know-in-the-wake-of-rainbow-bridge-explosion-1.6657269
The National’s coverage of the bridge explosion (2 and a half mins)
https://youtu.be/hqDa61Y6_YU

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 23 2023 13:20 utc | 147

It is notable that both quotes do not attempt at a body of ethics. Why that is will be everyone’s guess – mine would be that both men had a capacity to relate empathically to their surrounding, and to accept the presence of others (to include beings such as animals and plants) as reason enough to willingly share their inhabited world with them; that is to say, to coexist among peers and others, together in Gaia.
Posted by: persiflo | Nov 22 2023 22:41 utc | 142
I agree with Feynman, life is about what you do.
The thorny problems of ethics all arise from the fact that some people are much luckier in the birth lottery that others, and the solution to that is sharing and compassion, realizing that that could have been you.
I think that theorizing about these things is a waste of time, it is not a theoretical problem. It is a pragmatic problem, how to behave, and how to make yourself behave.
Thank you for your comment.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2023 21:28 utc | 148