It is one thing spending years researching the facts and building up a knowledge base. Which is very hard work in itself. Quite another to be able to produce these facts so effortlessly in an interview. That takes some doing, you would have to know the topic so incredibly well and be so comfortable with it. My own personal opinion is Lowkey gives a media masterclass par excellence in the interview above regarding the conflict.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 12 2023 13:58 utc | 3

“The WaPo piece also blames General Zaluzny …”
Always easy to blame the dead guy.
Just more proof the Washington Bezos Post piece is pure fiction.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 13:59 utc | 5

“In the wake of the Holocaust, we carved Israel out of Palestinian land. It should have been German land. We owe the Palestinians bigtime. Our support of Israel is a vast moral failure.”
———-
That’s a letter to the editor of my local newspaper in a rural area of the USA. I think it’s indicative of a growing awareness that Israel is bad and Palestine is good. USers, after 75 years, are starting to figure it out.
A few days ago a neighbor who usually shows little interest in politics asked me “What gives Israel the right to tell everybody else what to do?”
A wave of anti Israel and pro Palestine is building in the USA. The tide hasn’t turned yet, but it’s getting there.

Posted by: Chas | Nov 12 2023 14:22 utc | 7

Re: Chinese scientists bring record-breaking Stirling generator to life while Nasa’s patent stays on paper – SCMP
—
China has instrumented the Ocean with Opto-Sonic Sonar and Laser Satellites.
Recent survey of China’s submarine tech ==> https://youtu.be/y4zbSjapGMA?t=1018
Press “c” for captions.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 12 2023 14:32 utc | 9

Thanks b, a lot of stuff to think off. And one can see a lot of different point of views but a common conclusio: as he masterplan of overcomming Russia fails, so Z becomes useless and moreover, somewhat nasty.
But simply to remove him wouldn`t work! The Russians made it pretty clear that only the total defeat of the Banderisti (denazification) is acceptable, meaning that the whole corrupt ukro establishment has to step down and more better, put to death.
Any other idea of how to negotiate is pure wishfull thinking.
This would be hard to swallow for the west, but the only way to make peace.

Posted by: ableman | Nov 12 2023 14:36 utc | 11

B posted (among others) these 2 links:
https://unherd.com/2023/11/israel-could-collapse-the-american-empire/
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/09/politics/biden-diplomats-warn-middle-east-fury/index.html
This only re-affirms the theory of american theorist John Boyd who stated that:
“War is fought on 3 levels”. The physical level, the mental level and the moral level. The physical level is the least powerful level and the moral level is most powerful level”.
Right now the US and Israel are losing the battle on the moral level. Now the US administration is caught between the public opinions (plural) of the US, the Arab world, Europe (see e.g. the Pro Palestina march in London on november 11 this weekend) on the one hand and the interests of Israel, the arms manufacturers on the other hand.
Arab governments are also in a problematic situation. On the hand these governments have LOTS of sympathy for Israel and its government but also fear an uprising of their own populations (plural) against those same arab governments. Think: Arab Spring of 2011.
Pro Palestine march in London (november 11, 2023): see e.g.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/thousands-join-pro-palestine-march-in-london
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/11/pro-palestine-march-london-israel-hamas-war-gaza-armistice-day
November 11 is in the UK celebrated as “armistice day”. On november 11 the armistice started, ending hostilities in World War I.
Suella Braverman (the british minister of the Home Office) wrote an op-ed in the (of all places) Times in whcih she critisized the London metropolitan police for allowing this march to take place. Now Braverman is believed to be sacked in the coming days for writing this piece.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er85_hL4NKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw64knlSSxI

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 12 2023 15:19 utc | 13

– Remarkable fact of the Pro Palestina march in London. It started in Hyde Park and ended at the US embassy (hint, hint)
– There is a war memorial statue for World War I called “Cenotaph”. The Pro Palestina march didn’t come near the “Cenotaph”. But at that “Cenotaph” right wing thugs were protesting.
The Cenotaph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cenotaph

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 12 2023 15:33 utc | 15

FRom the Asia Times article:
“..Everyone keeps talking about the West, but what exactly does the West mean? The West refers to three big countries and four small countries. The three big countries are the United States, Europe, and Japan, and the four small countries are Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel. They are a small, closed circle that other countries cannot enter…”
Where does the UK fit in? Part of Europe, via NATO? Or part of the US, also through NATO? According to the Chinese it doesn’t even amount to a small country- having sold its sovereignty away.
“..There is a group of right-wing intellectuals in China who still dream of joining the West. Even if they demolish the Forbidden City and build the White House in its place, they will not be able to get in. If they go in, they will be servants guarding the palace, like Japan and South Korea…”
More or less true, too of the Russian Fifth Column, though they think that they are different/better because they are European or White. The idiocy of racism still rules- why else would Finland and Sweden want to join NATO? Not because they are threatened but because they want to be part of the White Man’s club- its the old Owl of Minerva thing.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 15:50 utc | 17

In our lurch toward war in three places, who exactly will fight? – Responsible Statecraft
Actually, it’s three wars already (Ukraine, Israel, Syria) and moving to four (add Taiwan). Not to quibble…
Oh, and Genocide Joe annouced doing whatever it takes to stop Russia from finding energy assets in Arctic. That would make five.

Posted by: oracle | Nov 12 2023 16:13 utc | 19

A wave of anti Israel and pro Palestine is building in the USA. The tide hasn’t turned yet, but it’s getting there.
Posted by: Chas | Nov 12 2023 14:22 utc | 4
I think you’re on to something, Chas. Due to the overwhelming power of western media a false picture of the internal situation in the US and in particular of the good people of the US still dominates international perception. In reality, the vast majority of American workers, which is to say the vast majority of Americans, have no faith or trust in either party going back decades at least. While the economic situation was somewhat stable, many simply became demoralized and chose to ignore it, vote for the lesser evil (which is impossible) and focus on their personal gardens, quietly hoping a new wind would pass through and offer a real opportunity for a genuine political change.
With the last 4 years, millions of Americans have been radicalized politically, but it’s hard to turn on a dime and no new viable parties, organizations or movements have emerged to orient and lead a real opposition to the two oligarchical capitalist war parties. At this point, it’s less about revealing the rot of the two parties and more a question of organization and leadership of a movement based on three simple unbreakable principles: 1) opposition to imperialist war 2) opposition to the billionaires and oligarchical capitalism and 3) opposition to all attacks or infringements on the democratic rights of working people.
A return to truly free speech and association would allow all that quiet sentiment to find real world expression, an end to the imperialist wars would free up trillions to fix the country and an end to the billionaires capitalism would allow for the development of a socioeconomic system that would respect the economic rights of all citizens and ensure these problems would not again resurface.
I’ve advocated for the good people of the bar to form and international political group where a template for the organization and perspective of such a movement can be freely developed and then applied in most of the western nations the barflies hail from.
I know it sounds like a lot, a bit too radical, impossible. But this is what the times call for and the alternative is destruction of all life on the planet. Radical problems call for radical solutions. Hic Rhodus, Hic Saltas.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 21

Xi to visit San Francisco for APEC conference. Am interested in seeing what comes of it. Also, they’re clearing out the homeless and hosing the shit from the streets. They can clean up for Xi, but not for the actual residents there. I guess they want it clean when the landlord shows up.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 12 2023 16:27 utc | 23

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 11
I’ve advocated for the good people of the bar to form and international political group where a template for the organization and perspective of such a movement can be freely developed and then applied in most of the western nations the barflies hail from.

Ha!
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Ha ha ha!!
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HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 12 2023 16:33 utc | 25

“”War is fought on 3 levels”. The physical level, the mental level and the moral level.”
This leaves out the most important level, and the level for which wars are fought in the first place: The economic level.
The Empire has sent out its FUD trolls to address all of these “levels”. We have the trolls who assert the Empire is militarily invincible, and resistance is futile. Then there are the trolls who try to convince that the Empire is politically and culturally omnipotent, and you will be assimilated… even the Empire’s defeats and failures are really just clever reverse-psychology ploys to fool you. We even sometimes get trolls who spout Randroid nonsense about how selfish narcissism is the ultimate moral good.
But the real battlefield is economic. In this war for the Empire of Delusions’ survival, that conflict manifests as de-dollarization. It is natural the Empire would have deployed FUD trolls to combat that as well, and those FUD trolls will be arguing the Empire is invincible there as well. The Empire doesn’t really need the RoW to absorb excess US$ into their currency reserves. No! The Empire can just print dollars into infinity as if they grow on magic money trees. Dumping your reserves of these wonderful magic money tree dollars will only hurt yourself!
Know your trolls.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 17:04 utc | 27

From the https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1357023/key-points-from-nasrallahs-speech-on-saturday.html article (I have enjoyed all in this section thus far, thank you b):

On the Arab League summit in Riyadh
• “Even if Gaza continues to fight, couldn’t 57 states open a passage to deliver aid and treat the wounded? The world is waiting to take the necessary measures.”
• “The Arab and Islamic summit brings together 57 Arab and Islamic states. The people of the region and Palestine have their eyes on this summit. The Palestinians have spoken. They do not want this summit to send soldiers to break the blockade against Gaza. But they ask this summit for the minimum: That the Islamic and Arab world adopts a unified position to demand from the Americans to put an end to this offensive and these crimes and to take measures.”
• “All pressure elements must target the American administration in the first place because it is the one holding the decision.”

I believe their ceding the high ground to the Americans and Israelis, though understandable, is mistaken, indeed that has been the problem for over a century, that the regional Powers do not insist on running their own territories and allow Big Powers from outside the region to call the shots on their behalf.
So they do not want the Region to send soldiers, rather to speak with one voice to ‘demand’ of the US and Israel that which they have consistently refused to do for a century. Hopefully more will come from the Summit than a few paragraphs on a page, but that remains to be seen. Quite possibly the Arabs are waiting for the Palestinians to get cleaned out and then everyone can get back to building up the Region to surpass Europe and with the Jewish-Only State of Israel, after a few years in the obligatory dog-house, an active member (and rich from those gas fields to boot so no longer needing US trust fund payments). Meanwhile the Palestinians, painfully and unjustly, get deadly victim and martyr roles.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 12 2023 17:55 utc | 29

De-dollarization is indeed the key metric

Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 17:58 utc | 31

thanks b and the many fine posters here at moa…
the 972 article is very disturbing for what it says about the general israeli population, if true.. of course based on what i am seeing coming out of israel, i am not sure how a normal israeli person thinks and processes all this..

Posted by: james | Nov 12 2023 18:00 utc | 33

unherd used to be okay for gender critical/trans topics but jesus are they dumb on every single other thing (kinda like matt walsh and 99.999999999% of conservatives in general).
one thing that is palestine adjecent but more of a “creeping fascism in the west” story:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-protest-arrest-palestinian-chant-1.7024279
tl;dr – a guy (who CTV had interviewed at rallies multiple times before running libelous smear pieces about him that included kristalnacht footage) said “from the river to the sea palestine wil be free” at a pro-palestine rally in calgary and got arrested for hate crime. the police are such spineless gestapo bitches they won’t even say what his “hate speech” was but it was confirmed by people at the rally.
this is the same calgary where our woketard junky-eyed mayor made it illegal to protest outside “drag queen story hours” so it’s a mix of woke and “i’m standing up for the ‘little guy’ by supporting ‘israel’ against those evil sand ni__ers” but the messazge is clear: you have official enemies it’s okay to hate but you can’t hate anything not on the list of approved hate!”
also on the canada front: apparently some dipsh_t in israel leaked plans to send all the gazans to canada. dumb f_cks see our big land area on a map and think “derp lots of space for refugees europe doesn’t weant durrrr” but fail to realize 80% of it is uninhabitable hell.

Posted by: pairestine | Nov 12 2023 18:21 utc | 35

“The Empire can just print dollars into infinity as if they grow on magic money trees. Dumping your reserves of these wonderful magic money tree dollars will only hurt yourself!”
Know your trolls.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 17:04 utc | 14
Know your idiots and ideologues that can’t even contemplate the constraints are both your skills and real resources and the productive capacity of your economy. Fail to understand that NOBOBDY and I mean nobody in the planet ever says you can “create dollars into infinity.” apart from a certain type of troll.
This stereotype only lives in idiots or ideologues heads, free from the real world. Maybe that is what they mean by libertarianism. Create a world that only exists in their own head.
It gets worse much worse. The ideologue and the idiot think bank lending is god ( even after having a front row seat in 2008). That bank lending, the only other place you can get money from, somehow by a miracle of their imagination in their own head isn’t constrained by the very same skills and real resources constraints and the productive capacity of the economy.
Even though banks create money from thin air when they lend and are also a magic money tree. The ideologue and the idiot fail to mention it.
Who think unemployment is just the natural order of things instead of a government policy choice.
Know your ideologues and idiots.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 12 2023 18:24 utc | 37

*adjacent/*want/*message.
the illuminati elders of zion have been inserting typos in my comments apparently. that’s my story and i’m sticking to it.

Posted by: pairestine | Nov 12 2023 18:25 utc | 39

“The Empire can just print dollars into infinity as if they grow on magic money trees.”
The actual words “NEVER” left her mouth and only a complete fool would ever think they did.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FATQ0Yf0Fhc
But the ideologue and the idiot will lie, cheat, deceive, manipulate, twist the whole conversation into a fantasy. A complete figment of their own immagination.
Know your ideologues and idiots. They are full of shit.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 12 2023 18:49 utc | 41

Re: De-Dollarization
It’s a reasonable guess that Arab investors and companies are pulling their financial assets out of Washington’s sanctions reach at an accelerated pace .

Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 19:09 utc | 43

@Echo Chamber, #19, #21, etc.:
Agree with you! It seems to me the ideologue/idiot is in desperate mood. It seems it (I’m using the pronoun it because what it has done over the past half century has been animalistic) has come to realize that time is not on its side!!!
A desperate animal is the most dangerous animal!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 12 2023 19:11 utc | 45

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 11
In USA, two party system is entrenched in a strange fashion. In a normal fashion, the two dominant parties share wide consensus, plus each has a set of pet causes that are mirrored with pet causes of the other one. The peculiarity is that each party monetizes “political capital” which reduces its popularity in a calibrated manner, resulting in a long string of very close federal elections.
A potential vulnerability of the system would be a block of voters that refuses to vote for “lesser evil” conditionally. E.g. if could vote Dems or Reps if they modify their Middle East positions in line with fairness, law and morality. It is actually possible that Dems will loose in 2024 because of Palestine and Ukraine. In itself, this would change nothing for better, but could shake intra-Dem consensus. I wonder what added value there would be from an organization. Typically, to have a chance, an organization needs a focal personality, like Sahra Wagenknecht that may shake up German politics: a break-up from a leftist party polling at 4-5% that gets 12-14% in preliminary polls as “hypothetic party Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance”.
Modest requirements: compelling in TV/video formats, nerves of steel, and, last but not least, an essential combination of positions.
In that context, Moon of Alabama is one of several opinion and meme generators that can influence a potential “refuse to play” block.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 12 2023 19:24 utc | 47

4 Chas: “In the wake of the Holocaust, we carved Israel out of Palestinian land. It should have been German land. We owe the Palestinians bigtime. Our support of Israel is a vast moral failure.” – No, it’s not – otherwise the US-Jews could ask what Roosevelt has done to rescue the east-european Jews.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 12 2023 19:29 utc | 49

William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 17:04 utc | 14
Our Deplorable Marxist at his best. Love it!

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Nov 12 2023 19:33 utc | 51

@William gruf:
Agree. A LOT OF wars are fought for economic reasons/gains. But I was talking about the war itself and not the reasons for that war.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 12 2023 19:41 utc | 53

Mr. Market @27
The ability to produce munitions is not an economic issue?
The ability to feed an army is not an economic issue?
The ability to fuel the machinery of warfare does not resolve to economics?
The ability to deny an adversary the above abilities is not a key aspect of warfare?
War is all about economics.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 20:17 utc | 55

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 13:59 utc | 3
Only inasmuch as the narratives spun by the D.C. and foreign policy elites are fictitious. Of which many are, of course. But it is a good window into the thinking of the psychopaths in Washington.
Either that or cue up the famous William Casey quote about the CIA’s misinformation program…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 20:52 utc | 57

Five-eyes gearing up for war
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-13/marlborough-graziers-unhappy-with-adf/102631906

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2023 20:58 utc | 59

osted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 2:36 utc | 164
“what makes any dissent remarkable is the astonishing efficiency with which the enemies of mankind currently employed in our governments have tried to criminalise any departure from the lies they invented.” <=yes the Internaltional system of nation states is a very effective control system. Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 15:50 utc | 9 what exactly does the West mean? it means the monopolist controlled part of the world to me. They use rule of law to extract resources from those who are the governed, the monetary system to extract natural resources contained within the nation state and the media operated digital platform to keep the governed prisoners in the dark. Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 12 2023 16:33 utc | 13 the good people of the bar to form and international political group..[and] movement.. <=what's needed is for the people of the world to understand they are prisoners of the International system of nation states (ISNS); their prisons are the nation states in which they live, their jailers are the politicians, and the owners of the prison system are the outrageously wealthy generally invisible, offspring of the tyrants who colonized and victimized the world for centuries. Until the entire world understand prisoners who organize, object, resist and do something, will end up as in Gaza; death or 50 lashes. We are prisoners! Until the governed people in the world understand they are prisoners, being watched every second of their lives, permitted at times a few liberties for acceptable behavior, and on call to serve the needs, wants and desires of the prison owners prison life can only get worse. Lights out at 8:00 PM, work starts at 6 AM be sure you child attends the military training (between 7 and start of school) so he or she can staff the next war's army.

Posted by: snake | Nov 12 2023 21:09 utc | 61

Pretty funny: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4304622-the-d-c-establishment-thinks-rfk-could-win-and-theyre-in-a-panic/

…one development that sent shock waves through the entire class of paid political consultants inside the Beltway went almost unmentioned publicly. A topic of constant discussion and not a little bit of anxiety on both sides was the extraordinarily strong showing of third-party candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in two recent national polls. Both of the polls showed Kennedy leading both President Biden and former President Trump among the key electoral demographics of independent voters and voters under 45 years of age.
Just how disturbing is this development for the uni-party establishment in Washington? Disturbing enough that the New York Times ran a brief story essentially dismissing its own poll results under the interpretive headline, “What’s Behind Kennedy’s Poll Numbers? Voters Dread a Trump-Biden Rematch.”
The piece reads almost as a parody of a damage-control exercise. It included the remarkable disclaimer that the poll of six key presidential battleground states, which found RFK the choice of nearly a quarter of those polled in a three-way matchup with Biden and Trump, “almost surely inflates the support of Mr. Kennedy.”
But the argument does not bear scrutiny that Kennedy’s remarkably strong showing is merely a function of dissatisfaction with the prospect of a Biden-Trump rematch. His fundraising haul for the third quarter, $8.7 million, demonstrates robust support for his candidacy, not just dissatisfaction with other choices….

No mention of his unwavering, fanatical support for Israel. Hmm… Still, I take great pleasure in the use of the word “uni-party” in a national mainstream publication and in the fact that they are panicking. There is no way in Hell Biden could possibly run in anything resembling a normal presidential campaign. The man is an empty shell and “fills” an empty suit. Rather than debates, the networks would have to run “Weekend at Bernie’s” on repeat.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 21:14 utc | 63

Any of the anti-socialist/anti-communist barflies are in league with the CIA whether they want to believe it or not.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/11/11/anyone-who-believes-in-the-hollywood-image-of-the-cia-should-come-to-serbia-where-the-agency-has-long-aligned-with-one-of-the-countrys-most-notorious-criminal-gangs/
Intro to the interview that follows:

The interview below details the CIA’s alliance with the criminal Zemunski Clan, which has helped to advance U.S. political interests in Serbia and carried out the Djindjić assassination.
These are the kind of allies the CIA has a long record of cultivating—going back to the post-World War II era when the CIA allied with the founder of the Japanese Yakuza, Yoshio Kodama, to help stamp out Communism in Japan, and facilitated the drug traffic in Laos and Thailand during the Indochina Wars in alliance with criminal gangsters.
During the 1990s Kosovo War, the CIA armed and empowered the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), a leading drug-trafficking organization run by the Albanian mafia, to fight the Serbs. So the pattern we see today, unfortunately, is nothing new.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 21:36 utc | 65

“In the wake of the Holocaust, we carved Israel out of Palestinian land. It should have been German land. We owe the Palestinians bigtime. Our support of Israel is a vast moral failure.”
Indeed, the much-vaunted UN Resolution 242, itself a product of grave corruption (e.g., free mink coats for wives of UN delegates), was not legally-binding and ran counter to the UN Charter, which recognizes the principle of self-determination.
Going further, the above quotation mindlessly accepts the “Holocaust” narrative, which is almost entirely based on endless repetition and intimidation of sceptics who have sought in vain for forensic evidence of any such event.

Posted by: greg | Nov 12 2023 21:38 utc | 67

The Unherd Post-America War article is more Russophobic Amerikkkuh fellating trash.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 22:20 utc | 69

Bevin @ 9:
The UK must fit into Europe, the “big country”. Notice there is no mention of France, Germany or Italy – all countries that have sold their sovereignty to the US in one way or another – in that sentence in the Asia Times article.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 12 2023 22:24 utc | 71

The Unherd Post-America War article is more Russophobic Amerikkkuh fellating trash.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 22:20 utc | 35
Yeah, stopped reading there sometime during the anti-Trump meltdown, and I don’t like Trump.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 12 2023 22:32 utc | 73

@William Gruff:
You must make a distiction between the reasons for starting a war and war theory. And that subtle distiction you’re not able to make. End of discussion.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 13 2023 0:59 utc | 75

Refinnejenna@36
That would have been obvious when the UK was a member of the EU-One Stop Shopping for the Empire. And it is probably true still but in fact the UK actually belongs with the “four small ones” along with the other Five Eyes.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 13 2023 3:37 utc | 77

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 21:14 utc | 32
Strangely enough, Tom, it well could be that even with his outrageous statements about Israel and the obvious clamp down on his candidacy by every means possible – RFKjr is the most promising candidate the US is able to field at present. I did see a brief mention of Jill Stein considering doing a rerun on Nakedcapitalism but I don’t know how serious that was.
I don’t think being pro-Israel is the worst thing to be; it just speaks of sheer ignorance rather than mendacity, or, much more likely on his part, fear of retribution; there’s always that. We can’t forget that reality: it’s the underlying threat we are all being victimized by. It is what we see in our governments if we are so unlucky as not to be citizens of the RoW. Still, talking about anything rather than atrocities against Palestine at present is hard to do since that is what we are all flailing against here. We are human, and we cannot speak.
Thanks to Grieved for a post last night. And to all for trying.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 5:48 utc | 79

juliania | Nov 13 2023 5:48 utc | 40
JFK was a cold war warrior cut from the same cloth as the likes of Kissinger. RFK is no different. American exceptionalism. What he said about Israel he meant. Same as Trump.
For RFK Israel is an unsinkable American aircraft carrier that give the US a foot in the door to controlling Persian gulf oil.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2023 6:06 utc | 81

Below is a historical tidbit from Xinhuanet that I was not aware of
The posting title
China commemorates 157th birth anniversary of Sun Yat-sen
The quote

Born in 1866 in south China’s Guangdong Province, Sun is known for his leading role during the 1911 Revolution, which overthrew the imperial Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) and ended more than 2,000 years of feudal rule in China.

That means that China has a system of governance that is only 112 years old and is the example that will close the coffin on the 2,000+ years of Western financial feudalism….maybe not in my lifetime but the path is clear

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2023 6:20 utc | 83

it just speaks of sheer ignorance …
Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 5:48 utc | 40
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Do you believe that people are born ignorant? That ignorance is innate?

Posted by: too scents | Nov 13 2023 6:29 utc | 85

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2023 6:06 utc | 41
No, Peter – I respect your work here but you are absolutely wrong about President Kennedy. Read his speech at American University, one of the last he gave. I am glad to have heard him speak often; I am glad to be so privileged as to have lived in the same era, just as I am for Presidents Putin and Xi, and for Lavrov– all great men. You just have to hear them talk to know what sort of people they are. They are dedicated to the people they serve; you can’t ask more than that. We human beings are never perfect; but we can try. And we should respect our leaders when they do exactly that.
Here’s that speech from President Kennedy. I noted this time around how respectfully he speaks about Russia’s role in WW2:
https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/american-university-19630610

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 6:46 utc | 87

And as so many posts are being made here that have stolen identities, I apologize, Peter, if yours has been as well — it is a sign that what we have to say here is under attack, and all the more reason to not take offense but continue to speak truth as we ourselves know and experience.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 6:51 utc | 89

And on a lighter note
We live in a time where intelligent people are silenced so that stupid people won’t be offended.
The biggest joke on mankind is that computers have begun asking humans to prove they aren’t a robot.
If Adam and Eve were Cajuns they would have eaten the snake instead of the apple and saved us all a lot of trouble.
The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The realist adjusts his sails.
There’s a fine line between a numerator and a denominator. Only a fraction of people will find this funny.
Reading gives us someplace to go when we have to stay where we are.
My idea of a Super Bowl is a toilet that cleans itself.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2023 6:58 utc | 91

https://www.dawn.com/news/1788169/the-state-of-statelessness-why-pakistans-move-to-expel-refugees-is-both-immoral-and-illegal
A human drama now exceeding Gaza by a factor 10, BUT no Israel involved so forget ignore it.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 13 2023 7:38 utc | 93

This article below makes the essential point that the significance of the Israeli war on Palestine goes far beyond the Middle East and is world historical in its importance.
In particular, it states that Western/American sponsorship of this war has exposed the imperial West for what it truly values: Western World Supremacy (led by America):
“In moments like this, everything becomes clear. It was clear to many of us for a long time, but now there can be no doubt. The imperial West is still firmly committed to the imperial project it launched against the world late in the 15th century. Yes, it has changed and transformed its methods, tactics, strategies, and its apparatus of power and force. The players have changed, some things became more complex, some things less so. And on and on. All of these academic debates are important, but not right now. What is important right now is to say it clearly and loudly – the imperial West is hell-bent on maintaining its supremacy and will kill indiscriminately in order to achieve the only goal it has ever had, the only value it has ever stood for, power and wealth….
The world is seeing that we do not live in an international system of nation-states, but an imperial world order where the West reigns supreme; it is seeing that white supremacy is not just alive and well, but is an expression of the material conditions of our world; succinctly put, the world is seeing how the Euro-American empire posits itself, forcefully and violently and through all and any means necessary, as lords of the world.”
A genocide is under way in Palestine
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/11/2/a-genocide-is-under-way-in-palestine

Posted by: ak74 | Nov 13 2023 7:55 utc | 95

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 13 2023 7:38 utc | 47
Any whataboutery to divert eyes from Israel’s crimes. These fears in Pakistan haven’t actually happened yet, whereas Israel is in full action. I have doubts that the Pakistani government will be able to push through a mass expulsion. It’s a “caretaker” government, not a fully empowered one, and remember the role of the US in getting rid of Imran Khan, which delegitimized the government.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 13 2023 8:19 utc | 97

Here is more blowback from a century of intentional and planned genocide.
note: KiwiSaver is a NZ retirement scheme.
Dinnum by dunnum, inch by inch.That’s how to rob people.
BDS works.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/502123/simplicity-pulling-shares-from-israeli-banks-not-political-stance

Posted by: Paul GV | Nov 13 2023 8:40 utc | 99