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November 12, 2023

The MoA Week In Review - OT 2023-268

Last week's post on Moon of Alabama:

Ukraine:

Palestine:

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Other issues:

Nord Stream:

Aaron Maté @aaronjmate - 1:05 UTC · Nov 12, 2023

Your first clue that the Washington Post's new NordStream scoop -- which blames a senior Ukrainian intel officer for the bombing -- is yet another CIA cover story is in the second graf:

"...U.S. and Western officials have called" the NordStream bombings "a dangerous attack on Europe’s energy infrastructure."

No, top US officials -- namely Blinken and Nuland -- have openly celebrated the NordStream bombings as a "tremendous strategic opportunity" that they're "very gratified" by.
(https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1576326018893492225)
(https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1618763049007198208)

The WaPo piece also blames General Zaluzny ...

Empire:

Russia:

China:

AfPak:

Use as open (not Palestine or Ukraine related) thread ...

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What a wonderful week you have had b,

Opening up so many files of information hidden in the dark. Bravo sir and 3 cheers from me.

For your attention b,

Two giants of the social media world, links all of the files of information and puts them together in this astonishing interview. The names, the foundations and think tanks and the talking heads used to create the narratives and framing around the middle East conflict. It is a must watch b, to try and even begin to understand the UK involvement in it all.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVjlGNevGo&pp=ygUWbG93IGtleSBtb2hhbW1lZCBoaWphYg%3D%3D

Enjoy b, and I'm pretty certain you have discovered some of these files while doing what you have done over many years now.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 12 2023 13:32 utc | 1

It is one thing spending years researching the facts and building up a knowledge base. Which is very hard work in itself. Quite another to be able to produce these facts so effortlessly in an interview. That takes some doing, you would have to know the topic so incredibly well and be so comfortable with it. My own personal opinion is Lowkey gives a media masterclass par excellence in the interview above regarding the conflict.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 12 2023 13:58 utc | 2

"The WaPo piece also blames General Zaluzny ..."

Always easy to blame the dead guy.
Just more proof the Washington Bezos Post piece is pure fiction.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 13:59 utc | 3

"In the wake of the Holocaust, we carved Israel out of Palestinian land. It should have been German land. We owe the Palestinians bigtime. Our support of Israel is a vast moral failure."
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That's a letter to the editor of my local newspaper in a rural area of the USA. I think it's indicative of a growing awareness that Israel is bad and Palestine is good. USers, after 75 years, are starting to figure it out.

A few days ago a neighbor who usually shows little interest in politics asked me "What gives Israel the right to tell everybody else what to do?"

A wave of anti Israel and pro Palestine is building in the USA. The tide hasn't turned yet, but it's getting there.

Posted by: Chas | Nov 12 2023 14:22 utc | 4

Re: Chinese scientists bring record-breaking Stirling generator to life while Nasa’s patent stays on paper - SCMP

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China has instrumented the Ocean with Opto-Sonic Sonar and Laser Satellites.

Recent survey of China's submarine tech ==> https://youtu.be/y4zbSjapGMA?t=1018

Press "c" for captions.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 12 2023 14:32 utc | 5

Thanks b, a lot of stuff to think off. And one can see a lot of different point of views but a common conclusio: as he masterplan of overcomming Russia fails, so Z becomes useless and moreover, somewhat nasty.
But simply to remove him wouldn`t work! The Russians made it pretty clear that only the total defeat of the Banderisti (denazification) is acceptable, meaning that the whole corrupt ukro establishment has to step down and more better, put to death.
Any other idea of how to negotiate is pure wishfull thinking.
This would be hard to swallow for the west, but the only way to make peace.

Posted by: ableman | Nov 12 2023 14:36 utc | 6

B posted (among others) these 2 links:

https://unherd.com/2023/11/israel-could-collapse-the-american-empire/
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/09/politics/biden-diplomats-warn-middle-east-fury/index.html

This only re-affirms the theory of american theorist John Boyd who stated that:

"War is fought on 3 levels". The physical level, the mental level and the moral level. The physical level is the least powerful level and the moral level is most powerful level".

Right now the US and Israel are losing the battle on the moral level. Now the US administration is caught between the public opinions (plural) of the US, the Arab world, Europe (see e.g. the Pro Palestina march in London on november 11 this weekend) on the one hand and the interests of Israel, the arms manufacturers on the other hand.

Arab governments are also in a problematic situation. On the hand these governments have LOTS of sympathy for Israel and its government but also fear an uprising of their own populations (plural) against those same arab governments. Think: Arab Spring of 2011.

Pro Palestine march in London (november 11, 2023): see e.g.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/11/thousands-join-pro-palestine-march-in-london
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/11/pro-palestine-march-london-israel-hamas-war-gaza-armistice-day

November 11 is in the UK celebrated as "armistice day". On november 11 the armistice started, ending hostilities in World War I.

Suella Braverman (the british minister of the Home Office) wrote an op-ed in the (of all places) Times in whcih she critisized the London metropolitan police for allowing this march to take place. Now Braverman is believed to be sacked in the coming days for writing this piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er85_hL4NKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw64knlSSxI

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 12 2023 15:19 utc | 7

- Remarkable fact of the Pro Palestina march in London. It started in Hyde Park and ended at the US embassy (hint, hint)

- There is a war memorial statue for World War I called "Cenotaph". The Pro Palestina march didn't come near the "Cenotaph". But at that "Cenotaph" right wing thugs were protesting.

The Cenotaph:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cenotaph

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 12 2023 15:33 utc | 8

FRom the Asia Times article:
"..Everyone keeps talking about the West, but what exactly does the West mean? The West refers to three big countries and four small countries. The three big countries are the United States, Europe, and Japan, and the four small countries are Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Israel. They are a small, closed circle that other countries cannot enter..."
Where does the UK fit in? Part of Europe, via NATO? Or part of the US, also through NATO? According to the Chinese it doesn't even amount to a small country- having sold its sovereignty away.

"..There is a group of right-wing intellectuals in China who still dream of joining the West. Even if they demolish the Forbidden City and build the White House in its place, they will not be able to get in. If they go in, they will be servants guarding the palace, like Japan and South Korea..."

More or less true, too of the Russian Fifth Column, though they think that they are different/better because they are European or White. The idiocy of racism still rules- why else would Finland and Sweden want to join NATO? Not because they are threatened but because they want to be part of the White Man's club- its the old Owl of Minerva thing.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 15:50 utc | 9

In our lurch toward war in three places, who exactly will fight? - Responsible Statecraft

Actually, it's three wars already (Ukraine, Israel, Syria) and moving to four (add Taiwan). Not to quibble...

Oh, and Genocide Joe annouced doing whatever it takes to stop Russia from finding energy assets in Arctic. That would make five.

Posted by: oracle | Nov 12 2023 16:13 utc | 10

A wave of anti Israel and pro Palestine is building in the USA. The tide hasn't turned yet, but it's getting there.

Posted by: Chas | Nov 12 2023 14:22 utc | 4

I think you're on to something, Chas. Due to the overwhelming power of western media a false picture of the internal situation in the US and in particular of the good people of the US still dominates international perception. In reality, the vast majority of American workers, which is to say the vast majority of Americans, have no faith or trust in either party going back decades at least. While the economic situation was somewhat stable, many simply became demoralized and chose to ignore it, vote for the lesser evil (which is impossible) and focus on their personal gardens, quietly hoping a new wind would pass through and offer a real opportunity for a genuine political change.

With the last 4 years, millions of Americans have been radicalized politically, but it's hard to turn on a dime and no new viable parties, organizations or movements have emerged to orient and lead a real opposition to the two oligarchical capitalist war parties. At this point, it's less about revealing the rot of the two parties and more a question of organization and leadership of a movement based on three simple unbreakable principles: 1) opposition to imperialist war 2) opposition to the billionaires and oligarchical capitalism and 3) opposition to all attacks or infringements on the democratic rights of working people.

A return to truly free speech and association would allow all that quiet sentiment to find real world expression, an end to the imperialist wars would free up trillions to fix the country and an end to the billionaires capitalism would allow for the development of a socioeconomic system that would respect the economic rights of all citizens and ensure these problems would not again resurface.

I've advocated for the good people of the bar to form and international political group where a template for the organization and perspective of such a movement can be freely developed and then applied in most of the western nations the barflies hail from.

I know it sounds like a lot, a bit too radical, impossible. But this is what the times call for and the alternative is destruction of all life on the planet. Radical problems call for radical solutions. Hic Rhodus, Hic Saltas.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 11

Xi to visit San Francisco for APEC conference. Am interested in seeing what comes of it. Also, they're clearing out the homeless and hosing the shit from the streets. They can clean up for Xi, but not for the actual residents there. I guess they want it clean when the landlord shows up.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 12 2023 16:27 utc | 12

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 11

I've advocated for the good people of the bar to form and international political group where a template for the organization and perspective of such a movement can be freely developed and then applied in most of the western nations the barflies hail from.

Ha!

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Ha ha ha!!

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HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 12 2023 16:33 utc | 13

""War is fought on 3 levels". The physical level, the mental level and the moral level."

This leaves out the most important level, and the level for which wars are fought in the first place: The economic level.

The Empire has sent out its FUD trolls to address all of these "levels". We have the trolls who assert the Empire is militarily invincible, and resistance is futile. Then there are the trolls who try to convince that the Empire is politically and culturally omnipotent, and you will be assimilated... even the Empire's defeats and failures are really just clever reverse-psychology ploys to fool you. We even sometimes get trolls who spout Randroid nonsense about how selfish narcissism is the ultimate moral good.

But the real battlefield is economic. In this war for the Empire of Delusions' survival, that conflict manifests as de-dollarization. It is natural the Empire would have deployed FUD trolls to combat that as well, and those FUD trolls will be arguing the Empire is invincible there as well. The Empire doesn't really need the RoW to absorb excess US$ into their currency reserves. No! The Empire can just print dollars into infinity as if they grow on magic money trees. Dumping your reserves of these wonderful magic money tree dollars will only hurt yourself!

Know your trolls.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 17:04 utc | 14

From the https://today.lorientlejour.com/article/1357023/key-points-from-nasrallahs-speech-on-saturday.html article (I have enjoyed all in this section thus far, thank you b):

On the Arab League summit in Riyadh

• “Even if Gaza continues to fight, couldn't 57 states open a passage to deliver aid and treat the wounded? The world is waiting to take the necessary measures.”

• "The Arab and Islamic summit brings together 57 Arab and Islamic states. The people of the region and Palestine have their eyes on this summit. The Palestinians have spoken. They do not want this summit to send soldiers to break the blockade against Gaza. But they ask this summit for the minimum: That the Islamic and Arab world adopts a unified position to demand from the Americans to put an end to this offensive and these crimes and to take measures."

• "All pressure elements must target the American administration in the first place because it is the one holding the decision."

I believe their ceding the high ground to the Americans and Israelis, though understandable, is mistaken, indeed that has been the problem for over a century, that the regional Powers do not insist on running their own territories and allow Big Powers from outside the region to call the shots on their behalf.

So they do not want the Region to send soldiers, rather to speak with one voice to 'demand' of the US and Israel that which they have consistently refused to do for a century. Hopefully more will come from the Summit than a few paragraphs on a page, but that remains to be seen. Quite possibly the Arabs are waiting for the Palestinians to get cleaned out and then everyone can get back to building up the Region to surpass Europe and with the Jewish-Only State of Israel, after a few years in the obligatory dog-house, an active member (and rich from those gas fields to boot so no longer needing US trust fund payments). Meanwhile the Palestinians, painfully and unjustly, get deadly victim and martyr roles.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 12 2023 17:55 utc | 15

De-dollarization is indeed the key metric

Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 17:58 utc | 16

thanks b and the many fine posters here at moa...

the 972 article is very disturbing for what it says about the general israeli population, if true.. of course based on what i am seeing coming out of israel, i am not sure how a normal israeli person thinks and processes all this..

Posted by: james | Nov 12 2023 18:00 utc | 17

unherd used to be okay for gender critical/trans topics but jesus are they dumb on every single other thing (kinda like matt walsh and 99.999999999% of conservatives in general).

one thing that is palestine adjecent but more of a "creeping fascism in the west" story:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/calgary-protest-arrest-palestinian-chant-1.7024279

tl;dr - a guy (who CTV had interviewed at rallies multiple times before running libelous smear pieces about him that included kristalnacht footage) said "from the river to the sea palestine wil be free" at a pro-palestine rally in calgary and got arrested for hate crime. the police are such spineless gestapo bitches they won't even say what his "hate speech" was but it was confirmed by people at the rally.

this is the same calgary where our woketard junky-eyed mayor made it illegal to protest outside "drag queen story hours" so it's a mix of woke and "i'm standing up for the 'little guy' by supporting 'israel' against those evil sand ni__ers" but the messazge is clear: you have official enemies it's okay to hate but you can't hate anything not on the list of approved hate!"

also on the canada front: apparently some dipsh_t in israel leaked plans to send all the gazans to canada. dumb f_cks see our big land area on a map and think "derp lots of space for refugees europe doesn't weant durrrr" but fail to realize 80% of it is uninhabitable hell.

Posted by: pairestine | Nov 12 2023 18:21 utc | 18

"The Empire can just print dollars into infinity as if they grow on magic money trees. Dumping your reserves of these wonderful magic money tree dollars will only hurt yourself!"

Know your trolls.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 17:04 utc | 14

Know your idiots and ideologues that can't even contemplate the constraints are both your skills and real resources and the productive capacity of your economy. Fail to understand that NOBOBDY and I mean nobody in the planet ever says you can "create dollars into infinity." apart from a certain type of troll.

This stereotype only lives in idiots or ideologues heads, free from the real world. Maybe that is what they mean by libertarianism. Create a world that only exists in their own head.

It gets worse much worse. The ideologue and the idiot think bank lending is god ( even after having a front row seat in 2008). That bank lending, the only other place you can get money from, somehow by a miracle of their imagination in their own head isn't constrained by the very same skills and real resources constraints and the productive capacity of the economy.

Even though banks create money from thin air when they lend and are also a magic money tree. The ideologue and the idiot fail to mention it.

Who think unemployment is just the natural order of things instead of a government policy choice.

Know your ideologues and idiots.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 12 2023 18:24 utc | 19

*adjacent/*want/*message.

the illuminati elders of zion have been inserting typos in my comments apparently. that's my story and i'm sticking to it.

Posted by: pairestine | Nov 12 2023 18:25 utc | 20

"The Empire can just print dollars into infinity as if they grow on magic money trees."

The actual words "NEVER" left her mouth and only a complete fool would ever think they did.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FATQ0Yf0Fhc

But the ideologue and the idiot will lie, cheat, deceive, manipulate, twist the whole conversation into a fantasy. A complete figment of their own immagination.

Know your ideologues and idiots. They are full of shit.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 12 2023 18:49 utc | 21

Re: De-Dollarization

It’s a reasonable guess that Arab investors and companies are pulling their financial assets out of Washington’s sanctions reach at an accelerated pace .

Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 19:09 utc | 22

@Echo Chamber, #19, #21, etc.:

Agree with you! It seems to me the ideologue/idiot is in desperate mood. It seems it (I'm using the pronoun it because what it has done over the past half century has been animalistic) has come to realize that time is not on its side!!!

A desperate animal is the most dangerous animal!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 12 2023 19:11 utc | 23

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 11

In USA, two party system is entrenched in a strange fashion. In a normal fashion, the two dominant parties share wide consensus, plus each has a set of pet causes that are mirrored with pet causes of the other one. The peculiarity is that each party monetizes "political capital" which reduces its popularity in a calibrated manner, resulting in a long string of very close federal elections.

A potential vulnerability of the system would be a block of voters that refuses to vote for "lesser evil" conditionally. E.g. if could vote Dems or Reps if they modify their Middle East positions in line with fairness, law and morality. It is actually possible that Dems will loose in 2024 because of Palestine and Ukraine. In itself, this would change nothing for better, but could shake intra-Dem consensus. I wonder what added value there would be from an organization. Typically, to have a chance, an organization needs a focal personality, like Sahra Wagenknecht that may shake up German politics: a break-up from a leftist party polling at 4-5% that gets 12-14% in preliminary polls as "hypothetic party Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance".

Modest requirements: compelling in TV/video formats, nerves of steel, and, last but not least, an essential combination of positions.

In that context, Moon of Alabama is one of several opinion and meme generators that can influence a potential "refuse to play" block.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 12 2023 19:24 utc | 24

4 Chas: "In the wake of the Holocaust, we carved Israel out of Palestinian land. It should have been German land. We owe the Palestinians bigtime. Our support of Israel is a vast moral failure." - No, it's not - otherwise the US-Jews could ask what Roosevelt has done to rescue the east-european Jews.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 12 2023 19:29 utc | 25

William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 17:04 utc | 14

Our Deplorable Marxist at his best. Love it!

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Nov 12 2023 19:33 utc | 26

@William gruf:

Agree. A LOT OF wars are fought for economic reasons/gains. But I was talking about the war itself and not the reasons for that war.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 12 2023 19:41 utc | 27

Mr. Market @27

The ability to produce munitions is not an economic issue?
The ability to feed an army is not an economic issue?
The ability to fuel the machinery of warfare does not resolve to economics?
The ability to deny an adversary the above abilities is not a key aspect of warfare?

War is all about economics.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 20:17 utc | 28

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 12 2023 13:59 utc | 3

Only inasmuch as the narratives spun by the D.C. and foreign policy elites are fictitious. Of which many are, of course. But it is a good window into the thinking of the psychopaths in Washington.

Either that or cue up the famous William Casey quote about the CIA's misinformation program...

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 20:52 utc | 29

Five-eyes gearing up for war
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-13/marlborough-graziers-unhappy-with-adf/102631906

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2023 20:58 utc | 30

osted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 2:36 utc | 164
"what makes any dissent remarkable is the astonishing efficiency with which the enemies of mankind currently employed in our governments have tried to criminalise any departure from the lies they invented." <=yes the Internaltional system of nation states is a very effective control system.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 15:50 utc | 9
what exactly does the West mean? it means the monopolist controlled part of the world to me. They use rule of law to extract resources from those who are the governed, the monetary system to extract natural resources contained within the nation state and the media operated digital platform to keep the governed prisoners in the dark.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 12 2023 16:33 utc | 13
the good people of the bar to form and international political group..[and] movement.. <=what's needed is for the people of the world to understand they are prisoners of the International system of nation states (ISNS); their prisons are the nation states in which they live, their jailers are the politicians, and the owners of the prison system are the outrageously wealthy generally invisible, offspring of the tyrants who colonized and victimized the world for centuries. Until the entire world understand prisoners who organize, object, resist and do something, will end up as in Gaza; death or 50 lashes.
We are prisoners! Until the governed people in the world understand they are prisoners, being watched every second of their lives, permitted at times a few liberties for acceptable behavior, and on call to serve the needs, wants and desires of the prison owners prison life can only get worse. Lights out at 8:00 PM, work starts at 6 AM be sure you child attends the military training (between 7 and start of school) so he or she can staff the next war's army.

Posted by: snake | Nov 12 2023 21:09 utc | 31

Pretty funny: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4304622-the-d-c-establishment-thinks-rfk-could-win-and-theyre-in-a-panic/

...one development that sent shock waves through the entire class of paid political consultants inside the Beltway went almost unmentioned publicly. A topic of constant discussion and not a little bit of anxiety on both sides was the extraordinarily strong showing of third-party candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. in two recent national polls. Both of the polls showed Kennedy leading both President Biden and former President Trump among the key electoral demographics of independent voters and voters under 45 years of age.

Just how disturbing is this development for the uni-party establishment in Washington? Disturbing enough that the New York Times ran a brief story essentially dismissing its own poll results under the interpretive headline, “What’s Behind Kennedy’s Poll Numbers? Voters Dread a Trump-Biden Rematch.”

The piece reads almost as a parody of a damage-control exercise. It included the remarkable disclaimer that the poll of six key presidential battleground states, which found RFK the choice of nearly a quarter of those polled in a three-way matchup with Biden and Trump, “almost surely inflates the support of Mr. Kennedy.”

But the argument does not bear scrutiny that Kennedy’s remarkably strong showing is merely a function of dissatisfaction with the prospect of a Biden-Trump rematch. His fundraising haul for the third quarter, $8.7 million, demonstrates robust support for his candidacy, not just dissatisfaction with other choices....

No mention of his unwavering, fanatical support for Israel. Hmm... Still, I take great pleasure in the use of the word "uni-party" in a national mainstream publication and in the fact that they are panicking. There is no way in Hell Biden could possibly run in anything resembling a normal presidential campaign. The man is an empty shell and "fills" an empty suit. Rather than debates, the networks would have to run "Weekend at Bernie's" on repeat.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 21:14 utc | 32

Any of the anti-socialist/anti-communist barflies are in league with the CIA whether they want to believe it or not.

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2023/11/11/anyone-who-believes-in-the-hollywood-image-of-the-cia-should-come-to-serbia-where-the-agency-has-long-aligned-with-one-of-the-countrys-most-notorious-criminal-gangs/

Intro to the interview that follows:

The interview below details the CIA’s alliance with the criminal Zemunski Clan, which has helped to advance U.S. political interests in Serbia and carried out the Djindjić assassination.

These are the kind of allies the CIA has a long record of cultivating—going back to the post-World War II era when the CIA allied with the founder of the Japanese Yakuza, Yoshio Kodama, to help stamp out Communism in Japan, and facilitated the drug traffic in Laos and Thailand during the Indochina Wars in alliance with criminal gangsters.

During the 1990s Kosovo War, the CIA armed and empowered the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), a leading drug-trafficking organization run by the Albanian mafia, to fight the Serbs. So the pattern we see today, unfortunately, is nothing new.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 21:36 utc | 33

"In the wake of the Holocaust, we carved Israel out of Palestinian land. It should have been German land. We owe the Palestinians bigtime. Our support of Israel is a vast moral failure."

Indeed, the much-vaunted UN Resolution 242, itself a product of grave corruption (e.g., free mink coats for wives of UN delegates), was not legally-binding and ran counter to the UN Charter, which recognizes the principle of self-determination.

Going further, the above quotation mindlessly accepts the "Holocaust" narrative, which is almost entirely based on endless repetition and intimidation of sceptics who have sought in vain for forensic evidence of any such event.

Posted by: greg | Nov 12 2023 21:38 utc | 34

The Unherd Post-America War article is more Russophobic Amerikkkuh fellating trash.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 22:20 utc | 35

Bevin @ 9:

The UK must fit into Europe, the "big country". Notice there is no mention of France, Germany or Italy - all countries that have sold their sovereignty to the US in one way or another - in that sentence in the Asia Times article.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 12 2023 22:24 utc | 36

The Unherd Post-America War article is more Russophobic Amerikkkuh fellating trash.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 22:20 utc | 35

Yeah, stopped reading there sometime during the anti-Trump meltdown, and I don't like Trump.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 12 2023 22:32 utc | 37

@William Gruff:

You must make a distiction between the reasons for starting a war and war theory. And that subtle distiction you're not able to make. End of discussion.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 13 2023 0:59 utc | 38

Refinnejenna@36
That would have been obvious when the UK was a member of the EU-One Stop Shopping for the Empire. And it is probably true still but in fact the UK actually belongs with the "four small ones" along with the other Five Eyes.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 13 2023 3:37 utc | 39

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 12 2023 21:14 utc | 32

Strangely enough, Tom, it well could be that even with his outrageous statements about Israel and the obvious clamp down on his candidacy by every means possible - RFKjr is the most promising candidate the US is able to field at present. I did see a brief mention of Jill Stein considering doing a rerun on Nakedcapitalism but I don't know how serious that was.

I don't think being pro-Israel is the worst thing to be; it just speaks of sheer ignorance rather than mendacity, or, much more likely on his part, fear of retribution; there's always that. We can't forget that reality: it's the underlying threat we are all being victimized by. It is what we see in our governments if we are so unlucky as not to be citizens of the RoW. Still, talking about anything rather than atrocities against Palestine at present is hard to do since that is what we are all flailing against here. We are human, and we cannot speak.

Thanks to Grieved for a post last night. And to all for trying.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 5:48 utc | 40

juliania | Nov 13 2023 5:48 utc | 40

JFK was a cold war warrior cut from the same cloth as the likes of Kissinger. RFK is no different. American exceptionalism. What he said about Israel he meant. Same as Trump.
For RFK Israel is an unsinkable American aircraft carrier that give the US a foot in the door to controlling Persian gulf oil.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2023 6:06 utc | 41

Below is a historical tidbit from Xinhuanet that I was not aware of

The posting title

China commemorates 157th birth anniversary of Sun Yat-sen

The quote

Born in 1866 in south China's Guangdong Province, Sun is known for his leading role during the 1911 Revolution, which overthrew the imperial Qing Dynasty (1644-1911) and ended more than 2,000 years of feudal rule in China.

That means that China has a system of governance that is only 112 years old and is the example that will close the coffin on the 2,000+ years of Western financial feudalism....maybe not in my lifetime but the path is clear

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2023 6:20 utc | 42

it just speaks of sheer ignorance ...

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 5:48 utc | 40

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Do you believe that people are born ignorant? That ignorance is innate?

Posted by: too scents | Nov 13 2023 6:29 utc | 43

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2023 6:06 utc | 41

No, Peter - I respect your work here but you are absolutely wrong about President Kennedy. Read his speech at American University, one of the last he gave. I am glad to have heard him speak often; I am glad to be so privileged as to have lived in the same era, just as I am for Presidents Putin and Xi, and for Lavrov-- all great men. You just have to hear them talk to know what sort of people they are. They are dedicated to the people they serve; you can't ask more than that. We human beings are never perfect; but we can try. And we should respect our leaders when they do exactly that.

Here's that speech from President Kennedy. I noted this time around how respectfully he speaks about Russia's role in WW2:

https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/american-university-19630610

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 6:46 utc | 44

And as so many posts are being made here that have stolen identities, I apologize, Peter, if yours has been as well -- it is a sign that what we have to say here is under attack, and all the more reason to not take offense but continue to speak truth as we ourselves know and experience.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 6:51 utc | 45

And on a lighter note

We live in a time where intelligent people are silenced so that stupid people won’t be offended.

The biggest joke on mankind is that computers have begun asking humans to prove they aren’t a robot.

If Adam and Eve were Cajuns they would have eaten the snake instead of the apple and saved us all a lot of trouble.

The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change. The realist adjusts his sails.

There’s a fine line between a numerator and a denominator. Only a fraction of people will find this funny.

Reading gives us someplace to go when we have to stay where we are.

My idea of a Super Bowl is a toilet that cleans itself.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 13 2023 6:58 utc | 46

https://www.dawn.com/news/1788169/the-state-of-statelessness-why-pakistans-move-to-expel-refugees-is-both-immoral-and-illegal

A human drama now exceeding Gaza by a factor 10, BUT no Israel involved so forget ignore it.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 13 2023 7:38 utc | 47

This article below makes the essential point that the significance of the Israeli war on Palestine goes far beyond the Middle East and is world historical in its importance.

In particular, it states that Western/American sponsorship of this war has exposed the imperial West for what it truly values: Western World Supremacy (led by America):

"In moments like this, everything becomes clear. It was clear to many of us for a long time, but now there can be no doubt. The imperial West is still firmly committed to the imperial project it launched against the world late in the 15th century. Yes, it has changed and transformed its methods, tactics, strategies, and its apparatus of power and force. The players have changed, some things became more complex, some things less so. And on and on. All of these academic debates are important, but not right now. What is important right now is to say it clearly and loudly – the imperial West is hell-bent on maintaining its supremacy and will kill indiscriminately in order to achieve the only goal it has ever had, the only value it has ever stood for, power and wealth....

The world is seeing that we do not live in an international system of nation-states, but an imperial world order where the West reigns supreme; it is seeing that white supremacy is not just alive and well, but is an expression of the material conditions of our world; succinctly put, the world is seeing how the Euro-American empire posits itself, forcefully and violently and through all and any means necessary, as lords of the world."

A genocide is under way in Palestine
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/11/2/a-genocide-is-under-way-in-palestine

Posted by: ak74 | Nov 13 2023 7:55 utc | 48

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 13 2023 7:38 utc | 47

Any whataboutery to divert eyes from Israel's crimes. These fears in Pakistan haven't actually happened yet, whereas Israel is in full action. I have doubts that the Pakistani government will be able to push through a mass expulsion. It's a "caretaker" government, not a fully empowered one, and remember the role of the US in getting rid of Imran Khan, which delegitimized the government.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 13 2023 8:19 utc | 49

Here is more blowback from a century of intentional and planned genocide.

note: KiwiSaver is a NZ retirement scheme.

Dinnum by dunnum, inch by inch.That's how to rob people.

BDS works.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/502123/simplicity-pulling-shares-from-israeli-banks-not-political-stance

Posted by: Paul GV | Nov 13 2023 8:40 utc | 50

@ Echo Chamber | Nov 12 2023 13:58 utc | 2

I agree the interview contained some interesting points.
Though when it comes to zionism they were content in demonstrating that there was a conflict between T Herzl and Jabotinsky and the fascist Jabotinsky won.
But about that and about the Temple Mount context the Larouche circle went much further decades earlier and the interesting timing was more like the 1830s than the time Herzl entered the picture in the 1890s
The interviewer and interviewee presumably had some concern about remaining tolerated in Britain but it is a problem when most everybody looks at Israel as an independent party and avoids to see it as the bridgehead for the empire it really is.
They did bring up that there is an ongoing psychologically powerful manipulation going on. For example using Pierce Morgan Tommy Robinsson and other individuals.
They mentioned key figures who may be naturally tied to specific Israeli interests. All of it factually credible but also without demonstrating any directly observable connection with the angloamerican empire.
They did mention that Katie Hopkins claimed to have signed a 35 year contract with British intelligence. But they didnt seem to trust it and I am not sure either.
I dont blame the interview, but I cant see any way to improve the situation as long as everybody departs from Herzl in 1897 and omits the important 60+ years before
During that period influential british figures who didnt like the jews managed to prepare to purge them and particularly from Britains rivals, while making up that celts and anglosaxons are jews.
When you disregard that phase you may believe it was all about powerful jews who later blackmailed Britain when Britain was up against the wall in WWI

By omitting the full story you may get the impression that all the current topics like gas-resources outside Gaza, the fossile resources in Golan and the planning of the Ben Gurion canal may be seen as separate Israeli projects.
And you may continue to see the imperial bridgehead grow without seeing it as imperial.
The empire is the sole beneficiary of that view.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 13 2023 9:54 utc | 51

Mr. Market @38

Apparently, the "subtle distinction" being missed by "war theorists" such as yourself is that economics is central to waging war. Or perhaps you simply don't know what economics is. After all if one has the simple-minded view that economics is playing with equities on the stock market or fiddling around with monetary policies then it is understandable one wouldn't have a clue what economics has to do with war.

With that said, since America is losing its proxy war against Russia largely due to economic factors, one would think people would start to wake up to the economic reality of warfare.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 13 2023 11:39 utc | 52

@ juliania | Nov 13 2023 6:46 utc | 44

Speeches count for rather little (JFK didn’t write his own anyway). Actions are vastly more important. Peter AU1 has an accurate handle on the Kennedy clan.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 13 2023 11:53 utc | 53

Nice ones Psychohistorian :)

· ·

Clown warning for the following which is not a joke, well it is but then it isn't really. It is also news.

UK porkitics:
Suella "Nutella" Braverman throws musical chairs causing chain reaction reintroducing disgraced former PM David "Dodgy Dave" "Pigfucker" Cameron as FS. How long until Theresa "Fields of Glory" May and Liz "Lettuce" Truss slither in?

· ·

"POTUS Vermin Supreme 2024".

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 13 2023 12:44 utc | 54

(Dog whistle) Canada’s CBC the National featured the return of a veteran’s WWII service tag, found in the UK, to his son in Canada. Nice story for Remembrance Day weekend. (1 min 9 seconds)

https://youtu.be/vUObymeNOfA

La Presse addresses the call to nuke Gaza Strip. Canada is very touchy about talk of going nuclear, for obvious geographical reasons (not that this is a US vs. Russia deal or anything.)

https://www.lapresse.ca/international/chroniques/2023-11-13/les-ministres-nucleaires.php

https://www.lapresse.ca/international/moyen-orient/2023-11-13/frappes-americaines-en-syrie/huit-combattants-affilies-a-l-iran-tues.php

“C’est la troisième fois en moins de trois semaines que l’armée américaine prend pour cible des sites en Syrie liés à l’Iran.”

“Ces frappes sont menées par Washington en réponse à la multiplication des attaques de groupes pro-iraniens visant son armée en Syrie et en Irak – plus de 45 depuis le 17 octobre.”

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 13 2023 13:12 utc | 55

Indian Punchline

India, US are on pathway to contain China

"The big picture is that after audaciously claiming the mantle of leadership of the Global South as recently as in September, in a span of over two months, India is gliding over to the American camp as the US’ indispensable ally, even aspiring to be a “global defence hub” with Pentagon’s help."

When it comes to Ukraine and the Palestine-Israel conflict, what emerges is that the US and Indian sides have succeeded in harmonising their respective positions on these crucial regional conflicts. In reality, Delhi is shedding its strategic ambivalence and moving towards the US position.

India cannot possibly call the Gaza war an act of “self defence” when Israel has unleashed such a brutal military operation against hapless civilians and razed Gaza City to the ground — reminiscent of the joint British-American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of Saxony, during World War II on the horrific night of 9-10 March 1945 killing over 25000 German people.

https://www.indianpunchline.com/india-us-are-on-pathway-to-contain-china/

Posted by: ld | Nov 13 2023 13:33 utc | 56

More Canadian (“Canadian”?) leakage, if you will.

From CSIS, the spy agency, for Remembrance Day:

“Being a secret agent during WW2 was dangerous & demanding. In 1941-1944, hundreds of agents trained at CampX, North America's 1st secret agent training facility! The Remembrance Day service at CampX honors those who sacrificed their lives to serve Canada.” (Plus a YouTube video)

https://x.com/csiscanada/status/1723415392679338466

From satirical news website, The Beaverton:

“Where is he now? Jean Chretien has escaped, Canadians advised to shelter in place”
https://x.com/TheBeaverton/status/1723771504175783991

Chinese Vice President meets former Canadian PM [that’d be Chretien]
https://english.news.cn/20231101/c66fa1110760436ab1f850ca5d510079/c.html

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 13 2023 13:44 utc | 57

@Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 13 2023 12:44 utc | 54

And all ruled by Tampax Rex!

Posted by: Ново з | Nov 13 2023 13:48 utc | 58

re:RFK, JFK, RFK jr

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 5:48 utc | 40

Juliania, I have deep respect and appreciation for your posts; they show a world view rooted in the best elements of Christianity and Buddhism which I also try to incorporate in my daily life. I'm also probably similar in age: b. 1951.
JFK was a super hero in our family: Irish catholics on Dad's side, German catholics on Mom's side, before my move into the Latino world. My take on him now is different. I believe he was, like nearly all politicians, a spoiled rich kid from a klan that operated with mafia-like rules similar to Chicago's Daly klan but more Atlanticist. Many Kennedys were and are players. However, JFK demonstrated that he had a conscience and it cost him his life. RFK jr. seems similar. I don't think he will get very far politically but if he does he will be forced to decide if he wants to follow his uncle and father or to live a bit longer. His horrible and undefendable position on Israel indicates he might choose to play along with the imperial masters.
bottom line: US presidential race is theater. I'll probably vote for jill Stein again but an argument can be made that not voting would send a message as well.

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 13 2023 14:16 utc | 59

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 13 2023 14:16 utc | 59

Thank you, migueljose! Your message is sound. I will probably do the same, still have my 'we are the 99 percent' yard sign! You gotta live right; that's how it is.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 16:24 utc | 60

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 13 2023 11:53 utc | 53

Speeches count for little, malenkov? Ho, ho, ho (to quote somebody)! Whst are we doing here then? What are the multitudinous trolls doing here?

Yes, President Kennedy had a team; it wasn't just him. He chose well, because he had educated people to choose from. My generation may be the last of those educated generations in the US. Well, no. Our children are doing their best, and theirs is a promising generation.

I kid you not.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 16:36 utc | 61

Speeches count for little, malenkov? Ho, ho, ho (to quote somebody)! Whst are we doing here then? What are the multitudinous trolls doing here?

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 16:36 utc | 61

____

You have an odd way of making my point, but what the heck ;-)

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 13 2023 16:38 utc | 62

@ ld | Nov 13 2023 13:33 utc | 56

that is one of the more important articles indian punchline has written as i see it.. i recommend others here read it.. thanks for sharing!

Posted by: james | Nov 13 2023 16:42 utc | 63

Thank you, Paul GV | Nov 13 2023 8:40 utc | 50!

"...Simplicity chief operating officer Andrew Lance said when it investigated the issue, it found research by the Super Fund, that highlighted the banks' financing of illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.

The West Bank settlements are considered illegal by the international community...."

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 16:45 utc | 64

Yes, I'm an odd person, malenkov | Nov 13 2023 16:38 utc | 62, foolish and often weak in my arguments, perfect troll fodder! Somebody big, though, said 'my strength is made perfect in weakness' so I keep on keeping on.

PeterAU1 I love, but he was wrong about President Kennedy, and so are you if you think his speeches don't matter because he had a team of writers; they were the best team probably any team has had since President Franklin Roosevelt. How was that making your point? Presidential speeches are a record of what that administration seeks to promote.

That speech does that. It is a record of what President John F. Kennedy sought to promote. It is an important speech.

If that is your point, I am happy to hear it!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 16:58 utc | 65

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 13 2023 12:44 utc | 54

Thanks for the laugh, Sunny!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 17:05 utc | 66

In regard to the major outage of an Australian Internet provider last week:

Optus’ network crashed last Wednesday because its routers received incorrect settings from overseas as part of a software upgrade, causing a cascading failure.

Where „overseas“ means USA. As I said in another thread: IMHO this has been a warning shot because of the friendly talks between Xi & Albanese…

Posted by: Zet | Nov 13 2023 17:21 utc | 67

Oops, forgot the link to the source:

https://www.afr.com/technology/optus-reveals-what-caused-last-week-s-outage-20231113-p5ejn7

Posted by: Zet | Nov 13 2023 17:22 utc | 68

Sunny Runny Burger 54: Who thinks it's the right time now for an anti-Russian warmonger ?

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Nov 13 2023 18:00 utc | 69

@ juliania | Nov 13 2023 16:58 utc | 65

I will cheerfully admit that “JFK”’s speeches did serve a purpose, and they did so quite effectively: They made Americans feel good about the American imperial project.

Myself, I prefer to look at the actions, such as the strutting, preening, and waffling over the Bay of Pigs and Soviet nukes in Cuba. Guess we should be happy he waffled on the latter, or else we might not be here today. Apparently that dashing Irish Catholic boy — the 1960s version of a diversity hire — wasn’t so dull that he couldn’t learn, even if at almost the last moment, that jerking around a nuclear power wasn’t such a good idea.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 13 2023 18:04 utc | 70

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 13 2023 18:04 utc | 70

Very good, malenkov. That's all you get from me. Good name, by the way.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 18:17 utc | 71

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned here but Macgregor and similar minded people have stated a new political party in the US. A lot of those types of Americans have their biases, but from what I see, they are agreement capable and want to pull the US out of the foreign wars to concentrate on the US. Secure the southern border, the growing homelessness, law and order ect.

I haven't looked into the group at all but from what Macgregor says, they come from both the left and the right politically.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2023 21:18 utc | 72

Juliania:
You're welcome :)

Oliver Krug:
Well they're all anti-Russian warmongers so it can't be that? I can see no good reason why anyone would be anywhere close to Cameron. However that too applies to all of them... it's a conundrum.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 14 2023 5:19 utc | 73

Below is a Xinhuanet link that shows how serious China takes the coming Xi/Biden meeting

Xinhua Commentary: Don't squander chance to restore China-U.S. ties

I expect China is going to be disappointed in the posture of Biden in the meeting.....empire has not been brought to its knees quite yet.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2023 6:17 utc | 74

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2023 6:17 utc | 74

I am sure the Chinese remeber these nice words he had to say about Xi during the debates.

Xi Jinping a 'Thug'

I am curious how his reception will be from SF's Chinese community. When I lived there I remember there were some of those Chinese nationalist seeming associations that revered Chaing Kai-Shek and Sun Yat-sen. One sees them in LA's Chinatown.

Sun Yat-sen statue in Gin Ling Square

I am not well versed on Chinese history, so please forgive me if I am wrong about some details regarding Sun Yat-sen. My point is that some of the Chinese Diaspora community seems like it has the same anti communist vibe that Vietnamese, Cubans and Venezuelans have.

I think they should have met in Alhambra or San Gabriel where the real Chinese community in LA is. He probably would get a good reception there.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 14 2023 6:38 utc | 75

Below is a Xinhuanet posting link that is new information for me and maybe other barflys

(CIIE) Interview: Larger-than-ever U.S. presence at CIIE shows interest in stable, productive ties with China, says U.S. ambassador

The quote

"We have the largest number of businesses and exhibitors this year. That's more than any other country," he said, reaffirming "the commitment of the United States to this relationship."

Describing two-way trade as "expanding in very important areas across the board of our economy," Burns said that China is now the third largest trade partner of the United States.

"Our economic and trade relationship is important with China," he said, adding that two-way trade in 2022 hit a record high since the 1970s.


....
Instead of seeking to "de-couple the economic relationship between the two countries," the ambassador said, "We seek to move forward the two-way trade between the United States and China."

He opined that the United States needs "stability in the relationship between Beijing and Washington," adding that the two sides began to achieve that over the last six months.

On the recent series of high-profile meetings between the two sides, he said they "helped us stabilize U.S.-China relationship," and those visits will continue.

"We've just had a visit by six mayors from cities across the Mississippi River, meeting with their fellow mayors from the Yangtze River Delta. We've had the Governor of California Gavin Newsom (in China), and here we've had our first congressional delegation (since 2019)," Burns noted.

"Of course, we have many issues where we disagree with each other. Those issues remain and they're important," he said. "But we do have an ability to communicate better at the highest levels and we're pleased about that."

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2023 6:45 utc | 76

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2023 6:45 utc | 76

Thanks for those articles. I hope Biden's handlers have read them.
Repairing relations with China could be one of his accomplishments during his presidency, and he could use it to differentiate himself from Trump. The economy would benefit, too.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 14 2023 6:54 utc | 77

Well Moon of Alabama barflies, fleas and trolls......I present, (ta-dah!) Moon of Shanghai.
https://www.bluemoonofshanghai.com/politics/14028/

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 14 2023 7:18 utc | 78

Washington needs to come up with a Budget by 17.Nov otherwise another round of Budget Kabuki Theater in Congress.

Collapse is inevitable. Imperial Overstretch etc etc

Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 7:47 utc | 79

@ psychohistorian and lex talionis

re Xinhuanet article..... it is necessary to remind the U.S. side to learn from the past mistakes that have frayed bilateral relations.

Amidst current global turmoil, a deteriorating China-U.S. relationship would harm all nations.

Most countries hope the summit will improve the world's most significant relationship and establish a healthy, stable and sustainable development trajectory.

I get that this is what they are supposed to be saying. Let's all be friends here. But frankly I totally disagree.

The US needs to be dragged kicking and screaming back to some kind of normalcy, back to a degree of international relationship sanity -- and China is imo the only nation capable of making this happen .... and continuing to kowtow to US demands and play word games with assholes is not helpful to anyone in the medium to long term.

iow no pain no gain. And it madness to negotiate with criminal psychopaths (which the US cabals are) - they only understand power.

I think Xi and the entire power of China should be deployed to shake the living shit out of the scumbags currently running the US ... that China needs to and should whatever it can to impose severe pain upon the USA until the people finally wake up and get rid of all these crazed evil psychopathic cabals that are running their nation, the world and so many other countries, such as the closest allies of the US in the pacific region, the UK and Europe and of course Israel and the Arab nations (mere principalities of mega wealthy low lifes) as well.

Sure it's not your everyday "diplomatic" approach but do tell how that has been working out for anyone over the years or for China?

I think they should lay down the law and go hard .... harder than the US handled the USSR and their miserable Islamic WoT.

I think China should wipe the floor with Biden at the coming APEC meeting ... and then refuse to attend another until such times as the US returns to acceptable legal relationships, abide by international law and norms of decent human behaviour -- including shutting down it's global military and intel bases especially it's massive aggressive military posture of missiles and submarines directly deployed against China as we speak.

I think China needs to step up to the plate and tell the truth as it is. And then act on that - and cut the US off at the knees economically and militarily and diplomatically no matter the price.

Obviously I would never get a day job at anyone's MFA. lol Yet I still think China has no other rational option - they will have to cross this rubicon sooner pr later. I say sooner is better for everyone on the planet. It's time to shake up the continental USA to it's very core!

To apply the blow torch until the American people as a whole wake the hell up and get real.

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Nov 14 2023 8:21 utc | 80

..... it states that Western/American sponsorship of this war has exposed the imperial West for what it truly values: Western World Supremacy (led by America):

A genocide is under way in Palestine
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/11/2/a-genocide-is-under-way-in-palestine
Posted by: ak74 | Nov 13 2023 7:55 utc | 48

This is hardly I surprise surely?

Or do I have this wrong, that millions out there really didn't realize this already? I don't really know.

Could the current US / western govts response to the Gaza atrocities and the Palestinians is making them reevaluate their notions of how evil their own western empire/govt truly is?

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Nov 14 2023 8:52 utc | 81

Azerbaijan is now demanding to absorb 8 villages in Armenia. https://mirrorspectator.com/2023/11/09/azerbaijan-again-claims-8-armenian-villages/

Are these villages within the internationally recognized borders of Armenia?

Posted by: airconditioning | Nov 14 2023 16:04 utc | 82

I've looked up the villages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karki,_Azerbaijan

"7 villages of Gazakh"

Posted by: airconditioning | Nov 14 2023 16:10 utc | 83

@ak74 | Nov 13 2023 7:55 utc | 48

The world is seeing that we do not live in an international system of nation-states, but an imperial world order where the West reigns supreme; it is seeing that white supremacy is not just alive and well, but is an expression of the material conditions of our world; succinctly put, the world is seeing how the Euro-American empire posits itself, forcefully and violently and through all and any means necessary, as lords of the world.

I knew that white people are somehow to blame for all but I didn't know how to make connection.
Thank you Ayyash.

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Nov 14 2023 17:25 utc | 84

"american people" are not in charge of anything over here. rich people are, and rich people are only "american" insofar as it helps them to loot the rest of the world easier and better. they are ready to jet off to their private islands, New Zealand or wherever else they have multiple bolt holes.

the world inside the u.s. is fixated on their "sports team" masquerading as a political faction, as if those two fake opposers are anything but co-looters and ride-alongs for their real masters.

you are hoping for an awakening that ain't gonna happen. most US citizens live bleak small lives, enjoying what little they can and knowing that the world is going to hell all around them and their children will live worse off than their parents did, and not lifting a finger about it because they are themselves too busy trying to keep a roof.

every time i see this argument and similar ("we need to bring back the draft so that there's an anti-war movement." as if anti-war movements ever had the power to bring an end to any war the US masters have chosen to have, and as if they haven't spent my entire lifetime ignoring all existing anti-war movements studiously, or "we need to have a general strike" which will never come to pass because most people here identify with the viewpoint of their exploiters too significantly to lift a finger) i just laugh at the fantasy. either the person doesn't live here, or is so removed from real life here, that they can't even tell that their wish list isn't happening and even if it did happen, there would simply be a media blackout and a few hundred arrests for "terrorism".

they are already making it illegal, or very detrimental to one's livelihood and future in the West to not support Israel, and we have no free speech rights worth anything. or let's put it this way, we can "speech" all we want because the master's henchman know it does nothing when they can blast propaganda from every media outlet.

where do you think these rebels who will turf the bums out will come from? most of us are just happy to have food and a warm bed at the end of the day. and people with very little are loathe to lose what they have, notwithstanding "nothing left to lose-ism". many of us are too crushed to do any "opposing" and too powerless to make much of a difference even if we were willing.

wake up. salvation is not coming from the beleaguered american public. if you want someone to "stop the insanity" then you had better figure out how to reach the billionaires. they are the only ones here with any agency. the rest are merely playthings for the PR maestros to manipulate.

Posted by: anon y'mouse | Nov 14 2023 17:34 utc | 85

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2023/11/14/congo-250-dollari-a-ogni-donna-per-risarcire-il-danno-inchiesta-della-associated-press-sugli-abusi-sessuali-compiuti-da-personale-oms/7353293/

Congo, '250 dollars to every woman to compensate for the damage': Associated press investigation into sexual abuse by WHO personnel

Two hundred and fifty dollars to repair the sexual assault suffered. This would be the amount offered in compensation by the World Health Organization to the 150 women who were raped between 2018 and 2020 by members of the agency in the field to counter an Ebola outbreak according to what was reported by the Associated Press. Confidential documents consulted by the US news agency brought out some details of what is already known as the worst abuse scandal in the history of the WHO, which saw at least 83 people indicted for “sexual abuse and exploitation” against hundreds of women in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The youngest victim is 13 years old and even among those 'reimbursed' there are those who ask for 'justice' because the amount donated 'is barely enough' to repair the damage done.

In an investigation built on the basis of confidential documents in the hands of journalists, AP pointed out that the compensation granted by WHO to women victims of rape is “less than what some United Nations officials take on a daily basis.” Among them is Dr. Gaya Gamehewages, head of the WHO's sexual exploitation prevention and response division, who last March went to the African country to collect the testimonies of the young victims. On that occasion his daily cachet would have been $231. The same documents also revealed that of the $1.5 million allocated by the WHO for the prevention of sexual abuse in Congo for the year 2022-2023, more than half is allocated to the salaries of operators, while only 35% of the total is dedicated to “supporting victims”.

The system of abuse documented by the WHO internal files was pervasive and the 'repair' operations also presented controversies. Also according to Ap, some high-level officers within the UN agency would have been aware of the violence suffered by the women of the country, but they would have done nothing to prevent them and even after a scandal discovered, none of them was fired. Several women have reported being forced into sexual intercourse with WHO workers in exchange for jobs or favors. Many of them got pregnant as a result of the abuse and had to maintain medical expenses to carry on the unwanted pregnancies.

As for compensation, however, as the WHO prohibits giving sums of money directly to citizens of the countries hosting their programs, women were required to take 'training courses' including pastry courses and budget management before obtaining compensation. A 'complete package' as described by the UN itself, to help victims of abuse become self-sufficient. Faced with Ap's doubts about the small amount of reimbursement, the WHO said it chose compensation for victims based on the organization's global guidelines and estimates of purchasing power in Congo, adding that in the future it will ask victims what to do to be further comforted. In a specific case, the WHO would have paid for the medical expenses of a woman who became pregnant after abuse, who would also receive a lot of land as compensation for the damage suffered.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 14 2023 17:44 utc | 86

Taiwan is literally begging the US to deliver the weapons it has already paid for.

The idea that the US is arming Taiwan is pretty much fiction.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Nov 14 2023 20:40 utc | 87

This is the guy who Americans should be urging to run for President. Maybe RFK Jr could make himself useful as a campaigner.
https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/07/dennis-kucinich-the-nothingness-of-a-war-consciousness/
Lex@75
The Communist Party of China regard Sun Yat Sen as a revered pioneer, so far as I can recall. As to Chiang (The Goon Show's Cash-My-Cheque) the KMT is now calling for re-unification. But you are quite right about the past: in the Cold War the consulates of the 'Republic of China' were to be found in Ontario cities.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 21:09 utc | 88

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 14 2023 6:45 utc | 76

Very interesting, psychohistorian - thank you! It seems trolls are bound and determined to preach us US citizens as 'no-hopers'. That dog won't hunt, trolls!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2023 21:16 utc | 89

Recommendations for reading about combined arms warfare and the roll of tanks? Many thanks, A.

Posted by: Atown | Nov 14 2023 21:50 utc | 90

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 21:09 utc | 88

I agree!

"What kind of citizenry consistently sneers at a candidate like Kucinich who openly declares for world peace to the most militarized nation on earth? (Hell, it's no crime to be three feet tall.)" -- Joe Bageant

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 14 2023 22:13 utc | 91

KMRIA | Nov 14 2023 22:13 utc | 91
The pity is that old Joe Bageant, who would have been an ornament in the White House, is no longer around to run. Or comment here.
Now all Winchester has is Rubbermaid.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 22:43 utc | 92

An important compilation article today by A Socialist in Canada on Britain and the Covid pandemic. It is important that the enormous significance of the pandemic and the danger of another being allowed to kill millions should not be blotted out by ultra right wing anti-social conspiracy nuts, Capitalism's Useful Idiots.

"The ‘Covid-19 Inquiry’ in Britain is an ongoing, independent public inquiry into the United Kingdom’s response to the Covid-19 pandemic. Public hearings began in June 2023. The chair of the inquiry is ‘Baroness’ Heather Hallett, a retired judge and the daughter of a once. highly-placed British police officer.

Enclosed below (with original weblinks):
1. Britain has a much bigger problem than Brexit: Covid-19 inquiry reveals the country is ruled by a dysfunctional state, analysis in Foreign Policy Magazine, Nov 9, 2023 (full text)
2. Official Covid-19 Inquiry exposes criminal incompetence at the highest levels of UK gov’t, brief essay by Richard Horton, editor, The Lancet, in print issue of Nov 11, 2023 (full text)
3. The Covid inquiry has laid bare the British government’s dereliction of duty, by Christina Pagel, The New Statesman, Nov 10, 2023
4. Boris Johnson’s homicidal Covid-19 government, analysis by Tricia Hine, in Counterfire, Nov 2, 2023
5. Views in the advanced economies of how the Covid-19 emergency was handled, report by Pew Research Center, Aug 11, 2023


"According to the World Health Organization, there have been 771,820,937 confirmed cases of Covid-19 globally, including 6,978,175 deaths. The number of infected people with lasting injuries is not reported but numbers in the tens of milions.

"The ten leading countries of per capita deaths from Covid-19 are, in order (total deaths in brackets, followed by deaths per million):
United States (1.18 million/ 3,530) (#15 in the world for per capita deaths)
India (533,000/ 379)
France (168,000/ 2,556)
Germany (177,000/ 2,112)
Brazil (707,000/ 3,283)
South Korea (36,000/ 700)
Japan (75,000/ 595)
Italy (193,000/ 3,195)
Britain (231,000/ 3,377)
Russia (400,000/ 2,746)
(Figures by the WHO and by Worldometer.)

"The People’s Republic of China, by contrast, suffered only 5,372 deaths–four per million population! Tourism-dependent Cuba had 8,530 deaths/754 per million; Venezuela 5,856 deaths/200; Nicaragua 225/33.

"Why such descrepancies in the figures between the large, warmaking countries of the world (which comprise eight out of the top ten countries for Covid-19 deaths) and the five countries listed above with low or exceptionally low death figures? One, the responses to the Covid-19 virus (SARS Co-V2 virus) in the imperialist countries to one was marked by criminal negligence, pure and simple. Two, the countries with low death rates were either the above ones which happen to be governmed by socialist governments, or they were rural countries (especially in Africa) where the vectors of transmission of the virus were weaker.

"There has been a shocking absence to date of analysis by left-wing and anti-imperialist voices of the criminal negligence by the imperialist countries over Covid-19 and the political consequences that should follow. Some anti-imperialist voices even went over to right-wing, conspiratorial analysis in denying there is any real threat to human society from the Covid pandemic...."
https://socialistincanada.ca/britains-covid-19-inquiry-reveals-the-country-is-ruled-by-a-dysfunctional-state/

Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 22:54 utc | 93

Albanese starts mending fence with China after Biden tells him not to. Result, two major cyber attacks, one on coms, the other on shipping.

So now we have this headline
"China blamed as major backer behind hacking of Australian companies and infrastructure"
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-15/asd-reports-increase-in-cyber-attacks/103103320

Along the lines of US at first trying to blame Russia for nordstream.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 23:01 utc | 94

Here's that speech from President Kennedy. I noted this time around how respectfully he speaks about Russia's role in WW2:

https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/american-university-19630610

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 6:46 utc | 44

I look for any opportunity to tell prople "listen to the audio of JFKs 6/10/1963 speech" to understand why 3 percent of the assassination files are still classified after 60 years.

Posted by: william paul | Nov 14 2023 23:16 utc | 95

@ bevin | Nov 14 2023 22:54 utc | 93

It is important that the enormous significance of the pandemic and the danger of another being allowed to kill millions should not be blotted out by ultra right wing anti-social conspiracy nuts, Capitalism's Useful Idiots.

Very well structured introduction.

After that you have documented that the highest death rate was in the richest countries which could provide the best health care.
Your conclusion is brilliant:

the responses to the Covid-19 virus (SARS Co-V2 virus) in the imperialist countries to one was marked by criminal negligence, pure and simple.

In addition, there are some other useful idiots

Some anti-imperialist voices even went over to right-wing, conspiratorial analysis in denying there is any real threat to human society from the Covid pandemic...."

Very solid and thorough analysis.
Thank you for helping me understand such a complex matter.

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Nov 14 2023 23:53 utc | 96

by juliania | Nov 13 2023 6:46 utc | 44

Here's that speech from President Kennedy. I noted this time around how respectfully he speaks about Russia's role in WW2...

Yes, very nice and thank you for this link.

All fine with Kennedy, but he and the people in the USA are so much obsessed with the fear and the hate of communism. There was some good stuff there too, to pick up on the development of society, but the West never listens, therefore can not understand.

Posted by: whirlX | Nov 15 2023 0:18 utc | 97

Tucker Carlson talk with Glenn Greenwald Nov 14 on “Tucker Carlson Tonight”
Great wide-ranging discussion. Around 24 min mark — large numbers of Americans no longer believe anything MSM says.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 15 2023 0:59 utc | 98

2+2=5@96
Your accolades, which I second, are owed to A Socialist In Canada.
Apart from the useful idiots para I was simply quoting part of his analysis.

Like you I would recommend the compilation to which I linked to everyone- we all live in the shadow of disease and biological warfare.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 15 2023 1:26 utc | 99

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 15 2023 0:59 utc | 98
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Great, so where is the link?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 15 2023 2:14 utc | 100

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