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November 1, 2023
Economist Fakes Political History Of Gaza

The Economist is faking history:

Bibi Netanyahu is the wrong man in the wrong placeEconomist – October 31, 2023

In the absence of clear government direction the Israeli defence establishment is doing all the planning. Its preferred solution is to see the PA ultimately return to Gaza, which it controlled until Hamas’s coup in 2007.


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There was no 'Hamas coup', neither in 2007 nor before or after it. But there was indeed a coup attempt in Gaza. It was led by Muhammad Dahlan of the Fatah, which was also leading the Palestinian Authority, who, with U.S. support, was trying to overthrow the legally elected Hamas government of Gaza.

The Gaza BombshellVanity Fair – March 3, 2008

After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

Then President Bush called Muhammad Dahlan 'our guy' and did everything he could to further a coup:

Vanity Fair has obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war. The plan was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America’s behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government from power.

It is a long complex story. In the end the Bush administration gave up and simply tried to ignore Hamas and Gaza. That did not work either.

As the Vanity Fair piece concluded at that time:

It is impossible to say for sure whether the outcome in Gaza would have been any better—for the Palestinian people, for the Israelis, and for America’s allies in Fatah—if the Bush administration had pursued a different policy. One thing, however, seems certain: it could not be any worse.

Seeing how helpless the Palestinians are in the West Bank, where the settlers and army are torturing and terrorizing them, it is difficult to agree with that conclusion.

Comments

Hence, I have said:
“Even if the enemy is telling the ‘truth’ it must be ignored. It is all a lie, even if it is the ‘truth'”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 1 2023 14:58 utc | 1

Hence, I have said:
“Even if the enemy is telling the ‘truth’ it must be ignored. It is all a lie, even if it is the ‘truth'”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 1 2023 14:58 utc | 2

great reporting and coverage b! thanks.. the media is so full of shite, carrying water for the usa regime change artists 24-7..

Posted by: james | Nov 1 2023 15:03 utc | 3

great reporting and coverage b! thanks.. the media is so full of shite, carrying water for the usa regime change artists 24-7..

Posted by: james | Nov 1 2023 15:03 utc | 4

Thank you B.
We remember story of dahlan plot those days.
Thank you for enlightenment again.

Posted by: Arata | Nov 1 2023 15:03 utc | 5

Thank you B.
We remember story of dahlan plot those days.
Thank you for enlightenment again.

Posted by: Arata | Nov 1 2023 15:03 utc | 6

[Economist:] In the absence of clear government direction the Israeli defence establishment is doing all the planning. Its preferred solution is to see the PA ultimately return to Gaza, which it controlled until Hamas’s coup in 2007.
[b:] There was no ‘Hamas coup’, neither in 2007 nor before or after it. But there was indeed a coup attempt in Gaza. It was led by Muhammad Dahlan of the Fatah, which was also leading the Palestinian Authority, who, with U.S. support, was trying to overthrow the legally elected Hamas government of Gaza.

Another good catch,b. And relevant to unfolding fiasco-tragedies.
Is there ever anything other than lies coming out of the aptly monikered ‘Empire of Lies’?
It seems not.
(Have a rule of thumb: assume everything in the mainstream media is false, that way one is correct about 80% of the time.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 1 2023 15:06 utc | 7

[Economist:] In the absence of clear government direction the Israeli defence establishment is doing all the planning. Its preferred solution is to see the PA ultimately return to Gaza, which it controlled until Hamas’s coup in 2007.
[b:] There was no ‘Hamas coup’, neither in 2007 nor before or after it. But there was indeed a coup attempt in Gaza. It was led by Muhammad Dahlan of the Fatah, which was also leading the Palestinian Authority, who, with U.S. support, was trying to overthrow the legally elected Hamas government of Gaza.

Another good catch,b. And relevant to unfolding fiasco-tragedies.
Is there ever anything other than lies coming out of the aptly monikered ‘Empire of Lies’?
It seems not.
(Have a rule of thumb: assume everything in the mainstream media is false, that way one is correct about 80% of the time.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 1 2023 15:06 utc | 8

Guess where “our guy” landed after that. And what strange illness appeared on the leadership of the host country. Small dots aligned if you know what trail to follow.

Posted by: Guess | Nov 1 2023 15:06 utc | 9

Guess where “our guy” landed after that. And what strange illness appeared on the leadership of the host country. Small dots aligned if you know what trail to follow.

Posted by: Guess | Nov 1 2023 15:06 utc | 10

It would be nice if the west actually did accept democracy but they only like it when they control it.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:09 utc | 11

It would be nice if the west actually did accept democracy but they only like it when they control it.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:09 utc | 12

Question, you think Bibi can survive after all of this?

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 1 2023 15:11 utc | 13

Question, you think Bibi can survive after all of this?

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 1 2023 15:11 utc | 14

Kind of a mixed bag that vanity fair reporter, David Rose
He was one of those that burned labour Corbynites for “anti-semitism” and apparently went to work for the jewish chronicles.
Wonder what was his point at the time…

Posted by: newbie | Nov 1 2023 15:21 utc | 15

Kind of a mixed bag that vanity fair reporter, David Rose
He was one of those that burned labour Corbynites for “anti-semitism” and apparently went to work for the jewish chronicles.
Wonder what was his point at the time…

Posted by: newbie | Nov 1 2023 15:21 utc | 16

Western democracy is a total fraud. There is NO democratic representation of the commons, or the average citizenry of the USA, Israel or the 5 eyes states.
In the US, political policy is controlled by think tanks whose members are WalMart, a variety of multinational corporations and CIA cutouts.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 17

Western democracy is a total fraud. There is NO democratic representation of the commons, or the average citizenry of the USA, Israel or the 5 eyes states.
In the US, political policy is controlled by think tanks whose members are WalMart, a variety of multinational corporations and CIA cutouts.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 18

Video of Irish Children attacking English occupation troops with rocks and bottles – odd that the soldiers don’t seem to believe that opening fire on children is their duty. ( in stark contrast to the-most-moral-army-ever)
If you hate the British Army Clap your Hands
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgjlkrTkH6A&pp=ygUbSXJpc2gga2lkcyB0aHJvd2luZyBib3R0bGVz

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 19

Video of Irish Children attacking English occupation troops with rocks and bottles – odd that the soldiers don’t seem to believe that opening fire on children is their duty. ( in stark contrast to the-most-moral-army-ever)
If you hate the British Army Clap your Hands
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgjlkrTkH6A&pp=ygUbSXJpc2gga2lkcyB0aHJvd2luZyBib3R0bGVz

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 20

Putin keeps calling Hamas and PIJ criminals and terrorists…anyone who doesn’t know that the Palestinian People have been fighting against their extermination by the Zionists through organizations such as Hamas is either an idiot or a bastard.

Posted by: liveload | Nov 1 2023 15:25 utc | 21

Putin keeps calling Hamas and PIJ criminals and terrorists…anyone who doesn’t know that the Palestinian People have been fighting against their extermination by the Zionists through organizations such as Hamas is either an idiot or a bastard.

Posted by: liveload | Nov 1 2023 15:25 utc | 22

At the end of the Palestine open thread on Iran launch its war on Israel via “non state actor” Yemen. Maintaining a logistics line to Yemen and so forth to keep up a good flow of missiles. That will be worth keeping an eye on.
I would expect to see some Israeli ships knocked out if they venture too close.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 15:28 utc | 23

At the end of the Palestine open thread on Iran launch its war on Israel via “non state actor” Yemen. Maintaining a logistics line to Yemen and so forth to keep up a good flow of missiles. That will be worth keeping an eye on.
I would expect to see some Israeli ships knocked out if they venture too close.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 15:28 utc | 24

Obviously Guaido was too young at the time, but isn’t Dahlan just another example of a long series of forcibly substituting “unknown leaders” into unwilling democracies? Although “legalwarfare” hadn’t been used before then, it is another favourite.
It does pose the question about Abbas and what teleprompter comes after he drops ….errrr…. “out”.
Dahlan was visibly “pushed” by the MsM at the time, but there is no clear Brandon-boy favourite at the moment.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 1 2023 15:29 utc | 25

Obviously Guaido was too young at the time, but isn’t Dahlan just another example of a long series of forcibly substituting “unknown leaders” into unwilling democracies? Although “legalwarfare” hadn’t been used before then, it is another favourite.
It does pose the question about Abbas and what teleprompter comes after he drops ….errrr…. “out”.
Dahlan was visibly “pushed” by the MsM at the time, but there is no clear Brandon-boy favourite at the moment.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 1 2023 15:29 utc | 26

The problem with diplomacy and diplomats is they they generally have no skin in the game.
It is my impression that clearly the only lasting peace would stem from a “one state” solution with Israel obligated to live in harmony among the natives of the region.
The alternative is just let Israel crush the natives and eliminate the “problem” by that means.
I think that generally the latter option is the one that the diplomats cause – without ever actually selecting it.

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2023 15:30 utc | 27

The problem with diplomacy and diplomats is they they generally have no skin in the game.
It is my impression that clearly the only lasting peace would stem from a “one state” solution with Israel obligated to live in harmony among the natives of the region.
The alternative is just let Israel crush the natives and eliminate the “problem” by that means.
I think that generally the latter option is the one that the diplomats cause – without ever actually selecting it.

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2023 15:30 utc | 28

A Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) executive based in Israel said the country is at risk of losing its high-tech sector due to the war
“The war has created a substantial vacuum in the workforce of the high-tech sector,” Dr. Tomer Simon, chief scientist at Microsoft Israel’s R&D Center, wrote in a letter to the head of Israel’s National Security Council, Tzachi Hanegbi.
Dr. Simon did not cite government statistics in his letter, but said the brain drain from the high-sector is already “noticeable” in multinational corporations in Israel. He added that the percentage of high-tech employees recruited to Israel’s military reserves is “significantly higher” than the average of the rest of the country.
“In addition, reserve recruitment of spouses of employees at these companies is nearly the same percentage,” Dr. Simon wrote.
Dr. Simon continued: “These workers are often key figures in their organizations – senior managers, entrepreneurs, engineers, developers, project managers and a host of other roles critical to the day-to-day operational success and long-term strategic initiatives of their companies. The absence of these professionals from the day-to-day functioning of the high-tech sector has a wider impact. This not only harms the current projects but also sends a worrying message to their global headquarters about the reliability and stability of their Israeli operations, and of Israel in general.”
Dr. Simon published his letter — which he emphasized was his opinion and has not yet been responded to by Hanegbi — in Israeli business outlet Calcalist….

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 15:30 utc | 29

A Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) executive based in Israel said the country is at risk of losing its high-tech sector due to the war
“The war has created a substantial vacuum in the workforce of the high-tech sector,” Dr. Tomer Simon, chief scientist at Microsoft Israel’s R&D Center, wrote in a letter to the head of Israel’s National Security Council, Tzachi Hanegbi.
Dr. Simon did not cite government statistics in his letter, but said the brain drain from the high-sector is already “noticeable” in multinational corporations in Israel. He added that the percentage of high-tech employees recruited to Israel’s military reserves is “significantly higher” than the average of the rest of the country.
“In addition, reserve recruitment of spouses of employees at these companies is nearly the same percentage,” Dr. Simon wrote.
Dr. Simon continued: “These workers are often key figures in their organizations – senior managers, entrepreneurs, engineers, developers, project managers and a host of other roles critical to the day-to-day operational success and long-term strategic initiatives of their companies. The absence of these professionals from the day-to-day functioning of the high-tech sector has a wider impact. This not only harms the current projects but also sends a worrying message to their global headquarters about the reliability and stability of their Israeli operations, and of Israel in general.”
Dr. Simon published his letter — which he emphasized was his opinion and has not yet been responded to by Hanegbi — in Israeli business outlet Calcalist….

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 15:30 utc | 30

The CeyeA and State Department most certainly report to Satan

Posted by: Rabbit | Nov 1 2023 15:31 utc | 31

The CeyeA and State Department most certainly report to Satan

Posted by: Rabbit | Nov 1 2023 15:31 utc | 32

The snowball has now started rolling down the hill…..
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/1/bolivia-cuts-ties-with-israel-other-latin-american-countries-recall-envoys

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:31 utc | 33

The snowball has now started rolling down the hill…..
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/1/bolivia-cuts-ties-with-israel-other-latin-american-countries-recall-envoys

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:31 utc | 34

Dogon Priest | Nov 1 2023 15:11 utc | 7
Bibi hasn’t got his “Nobel Peace Prize” yet, and I don’t think they award them posthumously.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 1 2023 15:32 utc | 35

Dogon Priest | Nov 1 2023 15:11 utc | 7
Bibi hasn’t got his “Nobel Peace Prize” yet, and I don’t think they award them posthumously.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 1 2023 15:32 utc | 36

@ Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 10
Yes, Israel does manage to take it to a new level.
However, I did not have the impression that the British were particularly humane.
And it was the US that relabeled children as “fun-sized” terrorists.

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2023 15:33 utc | 37

Does this look like Iran was behind the Hamas attack?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 15:33 utc | 38

@ Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 10
Yes, Israel does manage to take it to a new level.
However, I did not have the impression that the British were particularly humane.
And it was the US that relabeled children as “fun-sized” terrorists.

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2023 15:33 utc | 39

Does this look like Iran was behind the Hamas attack?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 15:33 utc | 40

Does this look like Iran was behind the Hamas attack?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 15:33 utc | 20
Not in the slightest, they have nothing to gain and may not be totally prepared for their eventual call to exact justice for many decades of US/zionist harassment.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:37 utc | 41

Does this look like Iran was behind the Hamas attack?
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 15:33 utc | 20
Not in the slightest, they have nothing to gain and may not be totally prepared for their eventual call to exact justice for many decades of US/zionist harassment.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:37 utc | 42

As long as the situation in the ME continues as it does, people all over the world, including in the West, will become evermore aware of the double standards and hypocrisy of the Western political system.
Here’s a small piece in this puzzle: Belgium’s transport union have refused to ship weapons to Israel.
I think this is one of the most important outcomes of this war. Belief in a system is what holds it together.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 1 2023 15:37 utc | 43

As long as the situation in the ME continues as it does, people all over the world, including in the West, will become evermore aware of the double standards and hypocrisy of the Western political system.
Here’s a small piece in this puzzle: Belgium’s transport union have refused to ship weapons to Israel.
I think this is one of the most important outcomes of this war. Belief in a system is what holds it together.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 1 2023 15:37 utc | 44

The Economist is faking history:
Has done for decades and lied about money for years. Keep moving right wards nothing more to see. A monetarists wet dream.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 1 2023 15:42 utc | 45

The Economist is faking history:
Has done for decades and lied about money for years. Keep moving right wards nothing more to see. A monetarists wet dream.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 1 2023 15:42 utc | 46

What about the 2 B1-B bombers in turkey?
I know they already left and the joint exercises were already planned, but they weren’t canceled either.

Posted by: newbie | Nov 1 2023 15:45 utc | 47

What about the 2 B1-B bombers in turkey?
I know they already left and the joint exercises were already planned, but they weren’t canceled either.

Posted by: newbie | Nov 1 2023 15:45 utc | 48

liveload | Nov 1 2023 15:25 utc | 11
“Putin keeps calling Hamas and PIJ criminals and terrorists”
No he doesn’t, he specifically called out those behind the start of hostilities. Without individually mentioning either the IDF or Hamas. As Putin has a large Intelligence unit (FSB) to provide him with facts on which to base his statements, the warning he gave applies to both Hamas AND the Zionists. (He must know what role the zionists played in setting up the situation.)
We do not have the same trustworthy source of information, so all we can do is speculate on what is known, not invent.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 1 2023 15:45 utc | 49

liveload | Nov 1 2023 15:25 utc | 11
“Putin keeps calling Hamas and PIJ criminals and terrorists”
No he doesn’t, he specifically called out those behind the start of hostilities. Without individually mentioning either the IDF or Hamas. As Putin has a large Intelligence unit (FSB) to provide him with facts on which to base his statements, the warning he gave applies to both Hamas AND the Zionists. (He must know what role the zionists played in setting up the situation.)
We do not have the same trustworthy source of information, so all we can do is speculate on what is known, not invent.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 1 2023 15:45 utc | 50

Why, no, it doesn’t, Jonathan W. It does not look like Shia Iran is behind Sunni Hamas attack at all. Hamas looks like it has agency enough to make its own decisions. 🙂
And this “forgetting” of events at the “Economist” doesn’t surprise me either. As Organs of State Memory the Mainstream Media is there to scrub as much ink away, or leave on the cutting room floor, as it is to record for posterity. No one sane and sensible uncritically accepts information, and that goes ever more powerfully so when informed from power’s megaphone and memory records.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 1 2023 15:48 utc | 51

Why, no, it doesn’t, Jonathan W. It does not look like Shia Iran is behind Sunni Hamas attack at all. Hamas looks like it has agency enough to make its own decisions. 🙂
And this “forgetting” of events at the “Economist” doesn’t surprise me either. As Organs of State Memory the Mainstream Media is there to scrub as much ink away, or leave on the cutting room floor, as it is to record for posterity. No one sane and sensible uncritically accepts information, and that goes ever more powerfully so when informed from power’s megaphone and memory records.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 1 2023 15:48 utc | 52

Historical refutation of the ‘defend herself argument:
“One of the most amazing phenomena of this case which does not lack in startling features is the manner in which the aggressive war conducted by Germany against Russia has been treated by the defense as if it were the other way around. …If it is assumed that some of the resistance units in Russia or members of the population did commit acts that were in themselves unlawful under the rules of war, it would still have to be shown that these acts were not in legitimate defense against wrongs perpetrated upon them by the invader. Under International Law, as in Domestic Law, there can be no reprisal against reprisal. The assassin who is being repulsed by his intended victim may not slay him and then, in turn, plead self-defense”. (Trial of Otto Ohlendorf and others, Military Tribunal II-A, April 8, 1948)

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:49 utc | 53

Historical refutation of the ‘defend herself argument:
“One of the most amazing phenomena of this case which does not lack in startling features is the manner in which the aggressive war conducted by Germany against Russia has been treated by the defense as if it were the other way around. …If it is assumed that some of the resistance units in Russia or members of the population did commit acts that were in themselves unlawful under the rules of war, it would still have to be shown that these acts were not in legitimate defense against wrongs perpetrated upon them by the invader. Under International Law, as in Domestic Law, there can be no reprisal against reprisal. The assassin who is being repulsed by his intended victim may not slay him and then, in turn, plead self-defense”. (Trial of Otto Ohlendorf and others, Military Tribunal II-A, April 8, 1948)

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:49 utc | 54

“faking history”
ICYMI…
G7 Leaders’ Statement on Ukraine, 19 May 2023

[…]
11. Conclusion
We hereby pledge, from Hiroshima, the “symbol of peace”, that G7 members will mobilize all our policy instruments and, together with Ukraine, make every effort to bring a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in Ukraine as soon as possible.

and
In Germany, Japan is waging a war over its history with Korea, 31 Oct 2023

A few years back, I received a mystifying email from five Japanese professors. It was only after the incident itself that I found out that they sent the same email not only to myself, but to many other professors in Germany. The email made the preposterous claim that Germany and Japan never committed war crimes in World War II, and that we should strive to correct fraudulent historical statements. The authors seemed to think that if they argued that Germany and Japan joined forces but were victimized when the UN stigmatized them as war criminals, it would make sense to German intellectuals.
I was well aware of the fact that there were reactionary extremist groups in Japan who wanted to cover up the crimes against humanity committed during the Japanese colonial period and World War II, and that they also wanted to rewrite their country’s history.
However, I was gobsmacked to see the ludicrous calls to completely disregard the historical facts of the Nazis’ horrors and to subscribe to their warped historical revisionism. Their message painted a pitiful portrait of the highly educated yet deluded authors.
The real motive behind the email that those five Japanese professors sent to their German counterparts was to facilitate sympathy for the demolition of the Statue of Peace, which had been erected in Berlin at the end of September 2020….

…the psychotic break among “advanced economies” is complete

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 1 2023 15:49 utc | 55

“faking history”
ICYMI…
G7 Leaders’ Statement on Ukraine, 19 May 2023

[…]
11. Conclusion
We hereby pledge, from Hiroshima, the “symbol of peace”, that G7 members will mobilize all our policy instruments and, together with Ukraine, make every effort to bring a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in Ukraine as soon as possible.

and
In Germany, Japan is waging a war over its history with Korea, 31 Oct 2023

A few years back, I received a mystifying email from five Japanese professors. It was only after the incident itself that I found out that they sent the same email not only to myself, but to many other professors in Germany. The email made the preposterous claim that Germany and Japan never committed war crimes in World War II, and that we should strive to correct fraudulent historical statements. The authors seemed to think that if they argued that Germany and Japan joined forces but were victimized when the UN stigmatized them as war criminals, it would make sense to German intellectuals.
I was well aware of the fact that there were reactionary extremist groups in Japan who wanted to cover up the crimes against humanity committed during the Japanese colonial period and World War II, and that they also wanted to rewrite their country’s history.
However, I was gobsmacked to see the ludicrous calls to completely disregard the historical facts of the Nazis’ horrors and to subscribe to their warped historical revisionism. Their message painted a pitiful portrait of the highly educated yet deluded authors.
The real motive behind the email that those five Japanese professors sent to their German counterparts was to facilitate sympathy for the demolition of the Statue of Peace, which had been erected in Berlin at the end of September 2020….

…the psychotic break among “advanced economies” is complete

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 1 2023 15:49 utc | 56

The history just keeps on coming- scenes that will be remembered for generations:
“Israel-Palestine war: Israelis cheer footage appearing to show Palestinians abused by soldiers
Users on right-wing Telegram channels celebrate videos of Israeli troops assaulting bound Palestinians and incite violence against them”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-cheer-footage-show-soldiers-abuse

Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2023 15:50 utc | 57

The history just keeps on coming- scenes that will be remembered for generations:
“Israel-Palestine war: Israelis cheer footage appearing to show Palestinians abused by soldiers
Users on right-wing Telegram channels celebrate videos of Israeli troops assaulting bound Palestinians and incite violence against them”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-cheer-footage-show-soldiers-abuse

Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2023 15:50 utc | 58

Why Are Jews So Influential? by Kevin MacDonald.
https://www.unz.com/article/why-are-jews-so-influential/
Interesting article, with a conservative bias, but relevant I think.
Although the author has some “non-Jewish” blindspots that are crucial to really understand Jewish communal networks, or in a less PC way Jewish supremacist power.
1- The figure of the Rabbi is central to jewish identity formation, building the supremacist mindset and the besieged paranoia. The angry, hateful rabbi, reminding jews that “they are jalous of us” and thus that they need to be controlled even more, is equal influential among agnostic Jews and so-called “antizionist” and “secular” Jews (not that they lie to non-Jews when believing that they escaped the suffocating brainwashing and hatred of the rabbinic logos and ethos, they believe it! They are lying to themselves essentially)
2- There is no need for elaborate all-powerful, centralized plot against non-Jews. What Jews are conditionned to do anywhere (and reminded by the rabbinical mindset) is to a) mimic their host (be it the US, Russia, France…) and b) to do Entryism. This is as natural as breathing. Once they are in every vital political, cultural, financial, managerial organizations in the host, with low visibility, they then reproduce the rabbinical model, with the only ethos they know: tribal supremacist interests, whenever possible with short-term benefits to the host (so as to neutralize external threats, minimize hostility and for narcissistic rewards “What would the goyim do without us?”).
When the proverbial “dreck” hits the fan, the victimization cards is used simultaneously with the release of the internalized “vengeful angry Rabbi”: censorship, mobilisation of internal and external networks, full use of the logos and perception management to confuse and defuse as long as possible. If necessary instigation diversionary conflicts, offering other minority groups as scapegoats (Roma people in the past, muslims nowadays and africans in the past (slave trading and the subsequent racial segregation was a jewish business, as well as its dismantling when it outlived its usefullness; similarly negrophobia and negrophilia, entryism as easy as breathing, no plots, just cultural reflexes…), eventually wars must happen to save the Chosen Ones (not that hard as entryism is developped in all productive hosts nation-states). And as a sideline, war means debt and destruction, it means business opportunities, to share with non-jewish (equally rapacious) elites and ruling classes.
If all fails, or if the host does not offer enough material opportunities, then the host must die.
THe US and France are two exemplary cases: in both entryism is complete, from extreme left to extreme center (the “LGBTQ liberal-interventionists” and extreme right. (Trump in the US or Zemmour in France) Those nations are litteraly drained. And no secret plot needed: as “french” zionist Bernard-Henry-Levy admitted with the typical chutzpah, during the destruction of Libya (with the complicity of the powerful jewish-zionist russian elite), he did it “for Israel”. What he did of course was pushing france and Europe into another genocidal war. Not that neocolonial europe is innocent of course not. Non jews are capable of greed, genocide and war without help. But the jewish tribal supremacism has, had for the last 500 years more visibly, a devastating impact. Including on the distorted psyche of jews themselves. And their ability to develop normal relationships and behaviors in the future.
A few jews are healing from this collective madness, but the inner Rabbi is not very far, even among “pro-palestinian” activism: the need to control, confuse and defuse is always there.

Posted by: Roots | Nov 1 2023 15:52 utc | 59

Why Are Jews So Influential? by Kevin MacDonald.
https://www.unz.com/article/why-are-jews-so-influential/
Interesting article, with a conservative bias, but relevant I think.
Although the author has some “non-Jewish” blindspots that are crucial to really understand Jewish communal networks, or in a less PC way Jewish supremacist power.
1- The figure of the Rabbi is central to jewish identity formation, building the supremacist mindset and the besieged paranoia. The angry, hateful rabbi, reminding jews that “they are jalous of us” and thus that they need to be controlled even more, is equal influential among agnostic Jews and so-called “antizionist” and “secular” Jews (not that they lie to non-Jews when believing that they escaped the suffocating brainwashing and hatred of the rabbinic logos and ethos, they believe it! They are lying to themselves essentially)
2- There is no need for elaborate all-powerful, centralized plot against non-Jews. What Jews are conditionned to do anywhere (and reminded by the rabbinical mindset) is to a) mimic their host (be it the US, Russia, France…) and b) to do Entryism. This is as natural as breathing. Once they are in every vital political, cultural, financial, managerial organizations in the host, with low visibility, they then reproduce the rabbinical model, with the only ethos they know: tribal supremacist interests, whenever possible with short-term benefits to the host (so as to neutralize external threats, minimize hostility and for narcissistic rewards “What would the goyim do without us?”).
When the proverbial “dreck” hits the fan, the victimization cards is used simultaneously with the release of the internalized “vengeful angry Rabbi”: censorship, mobilisation of internal and external networks, full use of the logos and perception management to confuse and defuse as long as possible. If necessary instigation diversionary conflicts, offering other minority groups as scapegoats (Roma people in the past, muslims nowadays and africans in the past (slave trading and the subsequent racial segregation was a jewish business, as well as its dismantling when it outlived its usefullness; similarly negrophobia and negrophilia, entryism as easy as breathing, no plots, just cultural reflexes…), eventually wars must happen to save the Chosen Ones (not that hard as entryism is developped in all productive hosts nation-states). And as a sideline, war means debt and destruction, it means business opportunities, to share with non-jewish (equally rapacious) elites and ruling classes.
If all fails, or if the host does not offer enough material opportunities, then the host must die.
THe US and France are two exemplary cases: in both entryism is complete, from extreme left to extreme center (the “LGBTQ liberal-interventionists” and extreme right. (Trump in the US or Zemmour in France) Those nations are litteraly drained. And no secret plot needed: as “french” zionist Bernard-Henry-Levy admitted with the typical chutzpah, during the destruction of Libya (with the complicity of the powerful jewish-zionist russian elite), he did it “for Israel”. What he did of course was pushing france and Europe into another genocidal war. Not that neocolonial europe is innocent of course not. Non jews are capable of greed, genocide and war without help. But the jewish tribal supremacism has, had for the last 500 years more visibly, a devastating impact. Including on the distorted psyche of jews themselves. And their ability to develop normal relationships and behaviors in the future.
A few jews are healing from this collective madness, but the inner Rabbi is not very far, even among “pro-palestinian” activism: the need to control, confuse and defuse is always there.

Posted by: Roots | Nov 1 2023 15:52 utc | 60

Lathe Biosas | Nov 1 2023 15:37 utc | 22 “Belief in a system is what holds it together.”
That may also be very applicable to Israel. A drawn out conflict with a constant flow of Israeli boots in body bags. The world apart from US and Westphalian elite against them.
I assume the likes of Russia, China Iran will be coordinating or conflicting their individual strategies.
Iran has launched its attack through Yemen, In the eyes of the UN, a non stated actor. Number of missiles and their regularity or otherwise will give a better idea.
Iran behind Yemen, Iran likely ran its strategy past Russia and China.
So back this and Israel “Belief in a system is what holds it together”
A number of Israelis have already left. That will most likely increase over time as their feeling of security and vulnerability increases. Some sort of coup in Israel at some point?
Russia and China maintain a position from which the can step in and mediate a permanent solution when/if that time comes.
Much speculation only based on the Yemen declaration of war so see how that turns out.
But what does seem likely is that at some point Israel will go through some internal turmoil so long as resistance and pressure is maintained.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 15:54 utc | 61

Lathe Biosas | Nov 1 2023 15:37 utc | 22 “Belief in a system is what holds it together.”
That may also be very applicable to Israel. A drawn out conflict with a constant flow of Israeli boots in body bags. The world apart from US and Westphalian elite against them.
I assume the likes of Russia, China Iran will be coordinating or conflicting their individual strategies.
Iran has launched its attack through Yemen, In the eyes of the UN, a non stated actor. Number of missiles and their regularity or otherwise will give a better idea.
Iran behind Yemen, Iran likely ran its strategy past Russia and China.
So back this and Israel “Belief in a system is what holds it together”
A number of Israelis have already left. That will most likely increase over time as their feeling of security and vulnerability increases. Some sort of coup in Israel at some point?
Russia and China maintain a position from which the can step in and mediate a permanent solution when/if that time comes.
Much speculation only based on the Yemen declaration of war so see how that turns out.
But what does seem likely is that at some point Israel will go through some internal turmoil so long as resistance and pressure is maintained.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 15:54 utc | 62

Great catch, b. Also, weasel wording in first para of the Economist piece: IDF bombing “buildings” in Jabalia. No mention that refugee camp is one of the buildings. Didn’t read the entire article because it is behind a paywall, but given the uh ‘blooper’ you noticed and the other one, I idly wonder what the Economist is trying to accomplish with that article — slamming Netanyahu while soft-pedaling IDF/Israeli government actions?
Does the Economist have another leader in mind for Israel at this time? Is Netanyahu now so politically incorrect even the Tories want to ditch him?
Apropos of nothing October 7 is Putin’s birthday. Surely means nothing but odd coincidence.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 1 2023 15:57 utc | 63

Great catch, b. Also, weasel wording in first para of the Economist piece: IDF bombing “buildings” in Jabalia. No mention that refugee camp is one of the buildings. Didn’t read the entire article because it is behind a paywall, but given the uh ‘blooper’ you noticed and the other one, I idly wonder what the Economist is trying to accomplish with that article — slamming Netanyahu while soft-pedaling IDF/Israeli government actions?
Does the Economist have another leader in mind for Israel at this time? Is Netanyahu now so politically incorrect even the Tories want to ditch him?
Apropos of nothing October 7 is Putin’s birthday. Surely means nothing but odd coincidence.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 1 2023 15:57 utc | 64

entryism
Posted by: Roots | Nov 1 2023 15:52 utc | 3
lolwut

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 1 2023 15:59 utc | 65

entryism
Posted by: Roots | Nov 1 2023 15:52 utc | 3
lolwut

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 1 2023 15:59 utc | 66

Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2023 15:50 utc | 29
When the US asks Israel to avoid the mistakes the US made after 9/1 doesn’t that mean the Abu Ghraib prison among others?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:01 utc | 67

Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2023 15:50 utc | 29
When the US asks Israel to avoid the mistakes the US made after 9/1 doesn’t that mean the Abu Ghraib prison among others?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:01 utc | 68

Dogon Priest:
I don’t believe Israel can survive never mind their top puppet.
Maybe it’s wishful thinking but they could be gone before the new year.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 16:01 utc | 69

Dogon Priest:
I don’t believe Israel can survive never mind their top puppet.
Maybe it’s wishful thinking but they could be gone before the new year.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 16:01 utc | 70

Question, you think Bibi can survive after all of this?
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 1 2023 15:11 utc | 7
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Cockroaches are resilient.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 1 2023 16:03 utc | 71

Question, you think Bibi can survive after all of this?
Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 1 2023 15:11 utc | 7
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Cockroaches are resilient.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 1 2023 16:03 utc | 72

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 1 2023 15:57 utc | 32
Bashir al-Assad’s birthday is 9/11.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:03 utc | 73

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 1 2023 15:57 utc | 32
Bashir al-Assad’s birthday is 9/11.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:03 utc | 74

Posted by: liveload | Nov 1 2023 15:25 utc | 11
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
You continue spreading Western lies.

Posted by: AI | Nov 1 2023 16:05 utc | 75

Posted by: liveload | Nov 1 2023 15:25 utc | 11
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
You continue spreading Western lies.

Posted by: AI | Nov 1 2023 16:05 utc | 76

Re: Military Situation via Middle East Eye
…..At least 15 Israeli soldiers killed in over 24 hours of Gaza clashes
58 minutes ago
Palestinian fighters have killed 15 Israeli soldiers in Gaza since Tuesday, the military has said.
Four troops were confirmed dead on Wednesday while the death of 11 others was announced on Tuesday.
At least 14 more soldiers have been wounded, including seven in critical condition, according to Yedioth Ahronoth.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 16:06 utc | 77

Re: Military Situation via Middle East Eye
…..At least 15 Israeli soldiers killed in over 24 hours of Gaza clashes
58 minutes ago
Palestinian fighters have killed 15 Israeli soldiers in Gaza since Tuesday, the military has said.
Four troops were confirmed dead on Wednesday while the death of 11 others was announced on Tuesday.
At least 14 more soldiers have been wounded, including seven in critical condition, according to Yedioth Ahronoth.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 16:06 utc | 78

It would be informative if there were sitreps for Gaza as there are for Ukraine

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:09 utc | 79

It would be informative if there were sitreps for Gaza as there are for Ukraine

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:09 utc | 80

The largest refugee camp in Palestine, Jabalia, was massively bombed again today. Hundreds killed again, most likely. Israel says they’re killing Hamas commanders; “we make all efforts to minimize” civilian casualties, they say, while targeting the most crowded hub of the most densely packed corral of poor humans on Earth.
This is blatant genocide, before our eyes, day by day. Craig Mokhiber says he resigned from the UN because it has tragically, totally failed in the only mission that matters: preventing genocide. This is what “rules-based international order” means: Israel at the forefront of continually rewriting such rules, using missiles as pens and Gaza as paper, ensuring the swift, seamless availability of genocide in the toolbox of ruling psychopaths, whenever necessary.
More vivid illustrations, rendered in bloodstains of everyday atrocities. This is what we allow, how much we can stomach. Utilitarian genocide becomes the rulebook of our wild west.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:10 utc | 81

The largest refugee camp in Palestine, Jabalia, was massively bombed again today. Hundreds killed again, most likely. Israel says they’re killing Hamas commanders; “we make all efforts to minimize” civilian casualties, they say, while targeting the most crowded hub of the most densely packed corral of poor humans on Earth.
This is blatant genocide, before our eyes, day by day. Craig Mokhiber says he resigned from the UN because it has tragically, totally failed in the only mission that matters: preventing genocide. This is what “rules-based international order” means: Israel at the forefront of continually rewriting such rules, using missiles as pens and Gaza as paper, ensuring the swift, seamless availability of genocide in the toolbox of ruling psychopaths, whenever necessary.
More vivid illustrations, rendered in bloodstains of everyday atrocities. This is what we allow, how much we can stomach. Utilitarian genocide becomes the rulebook of our wild west.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:10 utc | 82

Jordan recalls its ambassador to Israel in protest of war in Gaza

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:11 utc | 83

Jordan recalls its ambassador to Israel in protest of war in Gaza

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:11 utc | 84

Western democracy is a total fraud. There is NO democratic representation of the commons, or the average citizenry of the USA, Israel or the 5 eyes states.
In the US, political policy is controlled by think tanks whose members are WalMart, a variety of multinational corporations and CIA cutouts.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 9
True on the sham of “western democracy” but it’s primarily finance capital and the Pentagon who run the show. You know those billionaire banks that produce nothing but debt and the center of war making that produces nothing but weapons manufacturers and mass death.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 1 2023 16:11 utc | 85

Western democracy is a total fraud. There is NO democratic representation of the commons, or the average citizenry of the USA, Israel or the 5 eyes states.
In the US, political policy is controlled by think tanks whose members are WalMart, a variety of multinational corporations and CIA cutouts.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 9
True on the sham of “western democracy” but it’s primarily finance capital and the Pentagon who run the show. You know those billionaire banks that produce nothing but debt and the center of war making that produces nothing but weapons manufacturers and mass death.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 1 2023 16:11 utc | 86

hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:09 utc | 40
For what? At the moment it would simply be a repeated one line.
“Today Israel bombed the crap out of Gaza”
“Today Israel bombed the crap out of Gaza”
That will change at some point. Just a matter of waiting for that point.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:13 utc | 87

hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:09 utc | 40
For what? At the moment it would simply be a repeated one line.
“Today Israel bombed the crap out of Gaza”
“Today Israel bombed the crap out of Gaza”
That will change at some point. Just a matter of waiting for that point.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:13 utc | 88

sitreps for Gaza
@ hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:09 utc | 40

Middle East Eye’s continual update is the best I’ve found:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-live-gaza-hamas-war-invasion
RT also has an excellent Gaza ticker at the top of their site.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:14 utc | 89

sitreps for Gaza
@ hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:09 utc | 40

Middle East Eye’s continual update is the best I’ve found:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-live-gaza-hamas-war-invasion
RT also has an excellent Gaza ticker at the top of their site.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:14 utc | 90

Dahlan. Everybody knows exactly who he works for.

Muhammad Dahlan of the Fatah, which was also leading the Palestinian Authority, who, with U.S. support, was trying to overthrow…

Geddit?

Posted by: Francoise | Nov 1 2023 16:15 utc | 91

Dahlan. Everybody knows exactly who he works for.

Muhammad Dahlan of the Fatah, which was also leading the Palestinian Authority, who, with U.S. support, was trying to overthrow…

Geddit?

Posted by: Francoise | Nov 1 2023 16:15 utc | 92

Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:10 utc | 41
Same thing on a smaller scale occured in the Donbass in 2014, but it went completely unreported in western MSM. The Nazi ATO – anti terrorist operation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:16 utc | 93

Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:10 utc | 41
Same thing on a smaller scale occured in the Donbass in 2014, but it went completely unreported in western MSM. The Nazi ATO – anti terrorist operation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:16 utc | 94

People (or fleas) seem to have missed that Russia implicitly confirmed that the Palestinian resistance including Hamas are allies in the fight for humanity’s future.
So much for the “terrorism” bs.
Russia is certainly not alone in seeing it.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 16:16 utc | 95

People (or fleas) seem to have missed that Russia implicitly confirmed that the Palestinian resistance including Hamas are allies in the fight for humanity’s future.
So much for the “terrorism” bs.
Russia is certainly not alone in seeing it.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 16:16 utc | 96

More vivid illustrations, rendered in bloodstains of everyday atrocities. This is what we allow, how much we can stomach. Utilitarian genocide becomes the rulebook of our wild west.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:10 utc | 41
Speak for yourself. Nobody at the bar is allowing this genocide. Nobody at the bar was consulted. Everybody here would stop this if they held any power to do so. The entire west is a mass of powerless and disorganized wage slaves.
To accept any blame for the deeds of our masters is ridiculous. It’s like telling a slave raped by the master that they allowed it because they were unable to stop it.
Put the blame squarely where it lies: our oligarchs and their chosen political elite.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 1 2023 16:22 utc | 97

More vivid illustrations, rendered in bloodstains of everyday atrocities. This is what we allow, how much we can stomach. Utilitarian genocide becomes the rulebook of our wild west.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:10 utc | 41
Speak for yourself. Nobody at the bar is allowing this genocide. Nobody at the bar was consulted. Everybody here would stop this if they held any power to do so. The entire west is a mass of powerless and disorganized wage slaves.
To accept any blame for the deeds of our masters is ridiculous. It’s like telling a slave raped by the master that they allowed it because they were unable to stop it.
Put the blame squarely where it lies: our oligarchs and their chosen political elite.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 1 2023 16:22 utc | 98

Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 16:16 utc | 48
To me that was fairly clear when Hamas said they trust Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:23 utc | 99

Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 16:16 utc | 48
To me that was fairly clear when Hamas said they trust Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:23 utc | 100