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November 01, 2023

Economist Fakes Political History Of Gaza

The Economist is faking history:

Bibi Netanyahu is the wrong man in the wrong place - Economist - October 31, 2023

In the absence of clear government direction the Israeli defence establishment is doing all the planning. Its preferred solution is to see the PA ultimately return to Gaza, which it controlled until Hamas’s coup in 2007.

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There was no 'Hamas coup', neither in 2007 nor before or after it. But there was indeed a coup attempt in Gaza. It was led by Muhammad Dahlan of the Fatah, which was also leading the Palestinian Authority, who, with U.S. support, was trying to overthrow the legally elected Hamas government of Gaza.

The Gaza Bombshell - Vanity Fair - March 3, 2008

After failing to anticipate Hamas’s victory over Fatah in the 2006 Palestinian election, the White House cooked up yet another scandalously covert and self-defeating Middle East debacle: part Iran-contra, part Bay of Pigs. With confidential documents, corroborated by outraged former and current U.S. officials, the author reveals how President Bush, Condoleezza Rice, and Deputy National-Security Adviser Elliott Abrams backed an armed force under Fatah strongman Muhammad Dahlan, touching off a bloody civil war in Gaza and leaving Hamas stronger than ever.

Then President Bush called Muhammad Dahlan 'our guy' and did everything he could to further a coup:

Vanity Fair has obtained confidential documents, since corroborated by sources in the U.S. and Palestine, which lay bare a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war. The plan was for forces led by Dahlan, and armed with new weapons supplied at America’s behest, to give Fatah the muscle it needed to remove the democratically elected Hamas-led government from power.

It is a long complex story. In the end the Bush administration gave up and simply tried to ignore Hamas and Gaza. That did not work either.

As the Vanity Fair piece concluded at that time:

It is impossible to say for sure whether the outcome in Gaza would have been any better—for the Palestinian people, for the Israelis, and for America’s allies in Fatah—if the Bush administration had pursued a different policy. One thing, however, seems certain: it could not be any worse.

Seeing how helpless the Palestinians are in the West Bank, where the settlers and army are torturing and terrorizing them, it is difficult to agree with that conclusion.

Posted by b on November 1, 2023 at 14:54 UTC | Permalink

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Hence, I have said:

"Even if the enemy is telling the 'truth' it must be ignored. It is all a lie, even if it is the 'truth'".

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 1 2023 14:58 utc | 1

great reporting and coverage b! thanks.. the media is so full of shite, carrying water for the usa regime change artists 24-7..

Posted by: james | Nov 1 2023 15:03 utc | 2

Thank you B.
We remember story of dahlan plot those days.
Thank you for enlightenment again.

Posted by: Arata | Nov 1 2023 15:03 utc | 3

[Economist:] In the absence of clear government direction the Israeli defence establishment is doing all the planning. Its preferred solution is to see the PA ultimately return to Gaza, which it controlled until Hamas’s coup in 2007.


[b:] There was no 'Hamas coup', neither in 2007 nor before or after it. But there was indeed a coup attempt in Gaza. It was led by Muhammad Dahlan of the Fatah, which was also leading the Palestinian Authority, who, with U.S. support, was trying to overthrow the legally elected Hamas government of Gaza.

Another good catch,b. And relevant to unfolding fiasco-tragedies.

Is there ever anything other than lies coming out of the aptly monikered 'Empire of Lies'?

It seems not.

(Have a rule of thumb: assume everything in the mainstream media is false, that way one is correct about 80% of the time.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 1 2023 15:06 utc | 4

Guess where "our guy" landed after that. And what strange illness appeared on the leadership of the host country. Small dots aligned if you know what trail to follow.

Posted by: Guess | Nov 1 2023 15:06 utc | 5

It would be nice if the west actually did accept democracy but they only like it when they control it.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:09 utc | 6

Question, you think Bibi can survive after all of this?

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 1 2023 15:11 utc | 7

Kind of a mixed bag that vanity fair reporter, David Rose

He was one of those that burned labour Corbynites for "anti-semitism" and apparently went to work for the jewish chronicles.

Wonder what was his point at the time...

Posted by: newbie | Nov 1 2023 15:21 utc | 8

Western democracy is a total fraud. There is NO democratic representation of the commons, or the average citizenry of the USA, Israel or the 5 eyes states.

In the US, political policy is controlled by think tanks whose members are WalMart, a variety of multinational corporations and CIA cutouts.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 9

Video of Irish Children attacking English occupation troops with rocks and bottles - odd that the soldiers don’t seem to believe that opening fire on children is their duty. ( in stark contrast to the-most-moral-army-ever)

If you hate the British Army Clap your Hands
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgjlkrTkH6A&pp=ygUbSXJpc2gga2lkcyB0aHJvd2luZyBib3R0bGVz

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 10

Putin keeps calling Hamas and PIJ criminals and terrorists...anyone who doesn't know that the Palestinian People have been fighting against their extermination by the Zionists through organizations such as Hamas is either an idiot or a bastard.

Posted by: liveload | Nov 1 2023 15:25 utc | 11

At the end of the Palestine open thread on Iran launch its war on Israel via "non state actor" Yemen. Maintaining a logistics line to Yemen and so forth to keep up a good flow of missiles. That will be worth keeping an eye on.
I would expect to see some Israeli ships knocked out if they venture too close.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 15:28 utc | 12

Obviously Guaido was too young at the time, but isn't Dahlan just another example of a long series of forcibly substituting "unknown leaders" into unwilling democracies? Although "legalwarfare" hadn't been used before then, it is another favourite.

It does pose the question about Abbas and what teleprompter comes after he drops ....errrr.... "out".

Dahlan was visibly "pushed" by the MsM at the time, but there is no clear Brandon-boy favourite at the moment.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 1 2023 15:29 utc | 13

The problem with diplomacy and diplomats is they they generally have no skin in the game.

It is my impression that clearly the only lasting peace would stem from a "one state" solution with Israel obligated to live in harmony among the natives of the region.

The alternative is just let Israel crush the natives and eliminate the "problem" by that means.

I think that generally the latter option is the one that the diplomats cause - without ever actually selecting it.

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2023 15:30 utc | 14

A Microsoft (NASDAQ:MSFT) executive based in Israel said the country is at risk of losing its high-tech sector due to the war

"The war has created a substantial vacuum in the workforce of the high-tech sector," Dr. Tomer Simon, chief scientist at Microsoft Israel's R&D Center, wrote in a letter to the head of Israel's National Security Council, Tzachi Hanegbi.

Dr. Simon did not cite government statistics in his letter, but said the brain drain from the high-sector is already "noticeable" in multinational corporations in Israel. He added that the percentage of high-tech employees recruited to Israel's military reserves is "significantly higher" than the average of the rest of the country.

"In addition, reserve recruitment of spouses of employees at these companies is nearly the same percentage," Dr. Simon wrote.

Dr. Simon continued: "These workers are often key figures in their organizations - senior managers, entrepreneurs, engineers, developers, project managers and a host of other roles critical to the day-to-day operational success and long-term strategic initiatives of their companies. The absence of these professionals from the day-to-day functioning of the high-tech sector has a wider impact. This not only harms the current projects but also sends a worrying message to their global headquarters about the reliability and stability of their Israeli operations, and of Israel in general."

Dr. Simon published his letter — which he emphasized was his opinion and has not yet been responded to by Hanegbi — in Israeli business outlet Calcalist….

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 15:30 utc | 15

The CeyeA and State Department most certainly report to Satan

Posted by: Rabbit | Nov 1 2023 15:31 utc | 16

The snowball has now started rolling down the hill.....

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/1/bolivia-cuts-ties-with-israel-other-latin-american-countries-recall-envoys

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:31 utc | 17

Dogon Priest | Nov 1 2023 15:11 utc | 7

Bibi hasn't got his "Nobel Peace Prize" yet, and I don't think they award them posthumously.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 1 2023 15:32 utc | 18

@ Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 10

Yes, Israel does manage to take it to a new level.
However, I did not have the impression that the British were particularly humane.
And it was the US that relabeled children as "fun-sized" terrorists.

Posted by: jared | Nov 1 2023 15:33 utc | 19

Does this look like Iran was behind the Hamas attack?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 15:33 utc | 20

Does this look like Iran was behind the Hamas attack?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 15:33 utc | 20

Not in the slightest, they have nothing to gain and may not be totally prepared for their eventual call to exact justice for many decades of US/zionist harassment.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:37 utc | 21

As long as the situation in the ME continues as it does, people all over the world, including in the West, will become evermore aware of the double standards and hypocrisy of the Western political system.

Here's a small piece in this puzzle: Belgium's transport union have refused to ship weapons to Israel.

I think this is one of the most important outcomes of this war. Belief in a system is what holds it together.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 1 2023 15:37 utc | 22

The Economist is faking history:


Has done for decades and lied about money for years. Keep moving right wards nothing more to see. A monetarists wet dream.


Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 1 2023 15:42 utc | 23

What about the 2 B1-B bombers in turkey?

I know they already left and the joint exercises were already planned, but they weren't canceled either.

Posted by: newbie | Nov 1 2023 15:45 utc | 24

liveload | Nov 1 2023 15:25 utc | 11

"Putin keeps calling Hamas and PIJ criminals and terrorists"

No he doesn't, he specifically called out those behind the start of hostilities. Without individually mentioning either the IDF or Hamas. As Putin has a large Intelligence unit (FSB) to provide him with facts on which to base his statements, the warning he gave applies to both Hamas AND the Zionists. (He must know what role the zionists played in setting up the situation.)

We do not have the same trustworthy source of information, so all we can do is speculate on what is known, not invent.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 1 2023 15:45 utc | 25

Why, no, it doesn't, Jonathan W. It does not look like Shia Iran is behind Sunni Hamas attack at all. Hamas looks like it has agency enough to make its own decisions. :)

And this "forgetting" of events at the "Economist" doesn't surprise me either. As Organs of State Memory the Mainstream Media is there to scrub as much ink away, or leave on the cutting room floor, as it is to record for posterity. No one sane and sensible uncritically accepts information, and that goes ever more powerfully so when informed from power's megaphone and memory records.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 1 2023 15:48 utc | 26

Historical refutation of the 'defend herself argument:

“One of the most amazing phenomena of this case which does not lack in startling features is the manner in which the aggressive war conducted by Germany against Russia has been treated by the defense as if it were the other way around. …If it is assumed that some of the resistance units in Russia or members of the population did commit acts that were in themselves unlawful under the rules of war, it would still have to be shown that these acts were not in legitimate defense against wrongs perpetrated upon them by the invader. Under International Law, as in Domestic Law, there can be no reprisal against reprisal. The assassin who is being repulsed by his intended victim may not slay him and then, in turn, plead self-defense”. (Trial of Otto Ohlendorf and others, Military Tribunal II-A, April 8, 1948)

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 15:49 utc | 27

"faking history"

ICYMI...
G7 Leaders’ Statement on Ukraine, 19 May 2023

[...]
11. Conclusion
We hereby pledge, from Hiroshima, the "symbol of peace", that G7 members will mobilize all our policy instruments and, together with Ukraine, make every effort to bring a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in Ukraine as soon as possible.
and
In Germany, Japan is waging a war over its history with Korea, 31 Oct 2023
A few years back, I received a mystifying email from five Japanese professors. It was only after the incident itself that I found out that they sent the same email not only to myself, but to many other professors in Germany. The email made the preposterous claim that Germany and Japan never committed war crimes in World War II, and that we should strive to correct fraudulent historical statements. The authors seemed to think that if they argued that Germany and Japan joined forces but were victimized when the UN stigmatized them as war criminals, it would make sense to German intellectuals.

I was well aware of the fact that there were reactionary extremist groups in Japan who wanted to cover up the crimes against humanity committed during the Japanese colonial period and World War II, and that they also wanted to rewrite their country's history.

However, I was gobsmacked to see the ludicrous calls to completely disregard the historical facts of the Nazis' horrors and to subscribe to their warped historical revisionism. Their message painted a pitiful portrait of the highly educated yet deluded authors.

The real motive behind the email that those five Japanese professors sent to their German counterparts was to facilitate sympathy for the demolition of the Statue of Peace, which had been erected in Berlin at the end of September 2020....

...the psychotic break among "advanced economies" is complete

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 1 2023 15:49 utc | 28

The history just keeps on coming- scenes that will be remembered for generations:

"Israel-Palestine war: Israelis cheer footage appearing to show Palestinians abused by soldiers
Users on right-wing Telegram channels celebrate videos of Israeli troops assaulting bound Palestinians and incite violence against them"

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-cheer-footage-show-soldiers-abuse

Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2023 15:50 utc | 29

Why Are Jews So Influential? by Kevin MacDonald.
https://www.unz.com/article/why-are-jews-so-influential/

Interesting article, with a conservative bias, but relevant I think.

Although the author has some "non-Jewish" blindspots that are crucial to really understand Jewish communal networks, or in a less PC way Jewish supremacist power.
1- The figure of the Rabbi is central to jewish identity formation, building the supremacist mindset and the besieged paranoia. The angry, hateful rabbi, reminding jews that "they are jalous of us" and thus that they need to be controlled even more, is equal influential among agnostic Jews and so-called "antizionist" and "secular" Jews (not that they lie to non-Jews when believing that they escaped the suffocating brainwashing and hatred of the rabbinic logos and ethos, they believe it! They are lying to themselves essentially)

2- There is no need for elaborate all-powerful, centralized plot against non-Jews. What Jews are conditionned to do anywhere (and reminded by the rabbinical mindset) is to a) mimic their host (be it the US, Russia, France...) and b) to do Entryism. This is as natural as breathing. Once they are in every vital political, cultural, financial, managerial organizations in the host, with low visibility, they then reproduce the rabbinical model, with the only ethos they know: tribal supremacist interests, whenever possible with short-term benefits to the host (so as to neutralize external threats, minimize hostility and for narcissistic rewards "What would the goyim do without us?").
When the proverbial "dreck" hits the fan, the victimization cards is used simultaneously with the release of the internalized "vengeful angry Rabbi": censorship, mobilisation of internal and external networks, full use of the logos and perception management to confuse and defuse as long as possible. If necessary instigation diversionary conflicts, offering other minority groups as scapegoats (Roma people in the past, muslims nowadays and africans in the past (slave trading and the subsequent racial segregation was a jewish business, as well as its dismantling when it outlived its usefullness; similarly negrophobia and negrophilia, entryism as easy as breathing, no plots, just cultural reflexes...), eventually wars must happen to save the Chosen Ones (not that hard as entryism is developped in all productive hosts nation-states). And as a sideline, war means debt and destruction, it means business opportunities, to share with non-jewish (equally rapacious) elites and ruling classes.

If all fails, or if the host does not offer enough material opportunities, then the host must die.
THe US and France are two exemplary cases: in both entryism is complete, from extreme left to extreme center (the "LGBTQ liberal-interventionists" and extreme right. (Trump in the US or Zemmour in France) Those nations are litteraly drained. And no secret plot needed: as "french" zionist Bernard-Henry-Levy admitted with the typical chutzpah, during the destruction of Libya (with the complicity of the powerful jewish-zionist russian elite), he did it "for Israel". What he did of course was pushing france and Europe into another genocidal war. Not that neocolonial europe is innocent of course not. Non jews are capable of greed, genocide and war without help. But the jewish tribal supremacism has, had for the last 500 years more visibly, a devastating impact. Including on the distorted psyche of jews themselves. And their ability to develop normal relationships and behaviors in the future.

A few jews are healing from this collective madness, but the inner Rabbi is not very far, even among "pro-palestinian" activism: the need to control, confuse and defuse is always there.

Posted by: Roots | Nov 1 2023 15:52 utc | 30

Lathe Biosas | Nov 1 2023 15:37 utc | 22 "Belief in a system is what holds it together."

That may also be very applicable to Israel. A drawn out conflict with a constant flow of Israeli boots in body bags. The world apart from US and Westphalian elite against them.

I assume the likes of Russia, China Iran will be coordinating or conflicting their individual strategies.
Iran has launched its attack through Yemen, In the eyes of the UN, a non stated actor. Number of missiles and their regularity or otherwise will give a better idea.
Iran behind Yemen, Iran likely ran its strategy past Russia and China.

So back this and Israel "Belief in a system is what holds it together"
A number of Israelis have already left. That will most likely increase over time as their feeling of security and vulnerability increases. Some sort of coup in Israel at some point?

Russia and China maintain a position from which the can step in and mediate a permanent solution when/if that time comes.

Much speculation only based on the Yemen declaration of war so see how that turns out.

But what does seem likely is that at some point Israel will go through some internal turmoil so long as resistance and pressure is maintained.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 15:54 utc | 31

Great catch, b. Also, weasel wording in first para of the Economist piece: IDF bombing “buildings” in Jabalia. No mention that refugee camp is one of the buildings. Didn’t read the entire article because it is behind a paywall, but given the uh ‘blooper’ you noticed and the other one, I idly wonder what the Economist is trying to accomplish with that article — slamming Netanyahu while soft-pedaling IDF/Israeli government actions?

Does the Economist have another leader in mind for Israel at this time? Is Netanyahu now so politically incorrect even the Tories want to ditch him?

Apropos of nothing October 7 is Putin’s birthday. Surely means nothing but odd coincidence.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 1 2023 15:57 utc | 32

entryism
Posted by: Roots | Nov 1 2023 15:52 utc | 3

lolwut

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 1 2023 15:59 utc | 33

Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2023 15:50 utc | 29

When the US asks Israel to avoid the mistakes the US made after 9/1 doesn't that mean the Abu Ghraib prison among others?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:01 utc | 34

Dogon Priest:
I don't believe Israel can survive never mind their top puppet.

Maybe it's wishful thinking but they could be gone before the new year.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 16:01 utc | 35

Question, you think Bibi can survive after all of this?

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 1 2023 15:11 utc | 7

###############

Cockroaches are resilient.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 1 2023 16:03 utc | 36

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 1 2023 15:57 utc | 32

Bashir al-Assad's birthday is 9/11.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:03 utc | 37

Posted by: liveload | Nov 1 2023 15:25 utc | 11
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
You continue spreading Western lies.

Posted by: AI | Nov 1 2023 16:05 utc | 38

Re: Military Situation via Middle East Eye

…..At least 15 Israeli soldiers killed in over 24 hours of Gaza clashes
58 minutes ago
Palestinian fighters have killed 15 Israeli soldiers in Gaza since Tuesday, the military has said.

Four troops were confirmed dead on Wednesday while the death of 11 others was announced on Tuesday.

At least 14 more soldiers have been wounded, including seven in critical condition, according to Yedioth Ahronoth.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 16:06 utc | 39

It would be informative if there were sitreps for Gaza as there are for Ukraine

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:09 utc | 40

The largest refugee camp in Palestine, Jabalia, was massively bombed again today. Hundreds killed again, most likely. Israel says they're killing Hamas commanders; "we make all efforts to minimize" civilian casualties, they say, while targeting the most crowded hub of the most densely packed corral of poor humans on Earth.

This is blatant genocide, before our eyes, day by day. Craig Mokhiber says he resigned from the UN because it has tragically, totally failed in the only mission that matters: preventing genocide. This is what "rules-based international order" means: Israel at the forefront of continually rewriting such rules, using missiles as pens and Gaza as paper, ensuring the swift, seamless availability of genocide in the toolbox of ruling psychopaths, whenever necessary.

More vivid illustrations, rendered in bloodstains of everyday atrocities. This is what we allow, how much we can stomach. Utilitarian genocide becomes the rulebook of our wild west.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:10 utc | 41

Jordan recalls its ambassador to Israel in protest of war in Gaza

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:11 utc | 42

Western democracy is a total fraud. There is NO democratic representation of the commons, or the average citizenry of the USA, Israel or the 5 eyes states.

In the US, political policy is controlled by think tanks whose members are WalMart, a variety of multinational corporations and CIA cutouts.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Nov 1 2023 15:24 utc | 9

True on the sham of "western democracy" but it's primarily finance capital and the Pentagon who run the show. You know those billionaire banks that produce nothing but debt and the center of war making that produces nothing but weapons manufacturers and mass death.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 1 2023 16:11 utc | 43

hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:09 utc | 40

For what? At the moment it would simply be a repeated one line.
"Today Israel bombed the crap out of Gaza"
"Today Israel bombed the crap out of Gaza"

That will change at some point. Just a matter of waiting for that point.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:13 utc | 44

sitreps for Gaza
@ hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:09 utc | 40

Middle East Eye's continual update is the best I've found:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-live-gaza-hamas-war-invasion

RT also has an excellent Gaza ticker at the top of their site.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:14 utc | 45

Dahlan. Everybody knows exactly who he works for.

Muhammad Dahlan of the Fatah, which was also leading the Palestinian Authority, who, with U.S. support, was trying to overthrow...

Geddit?

Posted by: Francoise | Nov 1 2023 16:15 utc | 46

Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:10 utc | 41

Same thing on a smaller scale occured in the Donbass in 2014, but it went completely unreported in western MSM. The Nazi ATO - anti terrorist operation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:16 utc | 47

People (or fleas) seem to have missed that Russia implicitly confirmed that the Palestinian resistance including Hamas are allies in the fight for humanity's future.

So much for the "terrorism" bs.

Russia is certainly not alone in seeing it.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 16:16 utc | 48

More vivid illustrations, rendered in bloodstains of everyday atrocities. This is what we allow, how much we can stomach. Utilitarian genocide becomes the rulebook of our wild west.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 1 2023 16:10 utc | 41

Speak for yourself. Nobody at the bar is allowing this genocide. Nobody at the bar was consulted. Everybody here would stop this if they held any power to do so. The entire west is a mass of powerless and disorganized wage slaves.

To accept any blame for the deeds of our masters is ridiculous. It's like telling a slave raped by the master that they allowed it because they were unable to stop it.

Put the blame squarely where it lies: our oligarchs and their chosen political elite.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 1 2023 16:22 utc | 49

Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 16:16 utc | 48

To me that was fairly clear when Hamas said they trust Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:23 utc | 50


Yemen, not recognized by UN as a state or government... A different set of rules apply when a recognized state deals with or operates through a "non state group"?....
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 15:10 utc | 528
Iran behind Yemen, Iran likely ran its strategy past Russia and China.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 15:54 utc | 31

Stop, while you're behind the Voice Vote eight ball. Take some days to reflect on incorrigible "love of country" before you drag another Boomer big ideer into common conceits about international law, the impotence of "Arabs" and "vassals", and WWIII whenever you fart into El Niño's winds illegally migrating from the vast Pacific to the Mediterranean; then shovel yourself out of ignorance.

Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations, A/RES/ES-10/21

YES: AFGHANISTAN, ALGERIA, ANDORRA, ANGOLA, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, ARGENTINA, ARMENIA, AZERBAIJAN, BAHAMAS, BAHRAIN, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELARUS, BELGIUM, BELIZE, BHUTAN, BOLIVIA, BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA, BOTSWANA, BRAZIL, BRUNEI DARUSSALAM CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC, CHAD, CHILE, CHINA, COLOMBIA, COMOROS, CONGO, COSTA RICA, COTE D'IVOIRE, CUBA, DPR, DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO, DJIBOUTI, DOMINICA, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, ECUADOR, EGYPT, EL SALVADOR, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ERITREA, FRANCE, GABON, GAMBIA, GHANA, GRENADA, GUINEA, GUINEA-BISSAU, GUYANA, HONDURAS, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRELAND, JORDAN, KAZAKHSTAN, KENYA, KUWAIT, KYRGYZSTAN, LAO PEOPLE'S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBYA, LIECHTENSTEIN, LUXEMBOURG, MADAGASCAR, MALAWI, MALAYSIA, MALDIVES, MALI, MALTA, MAURITANIA, MAURITIUS, MEXICO, MONGOLIA, MONTENEGRO, MOROCCO, MOZAMBIQUE, MYANMAR, NAMIBIA, NEPAL, NEW ZEALAND, NICARAGUA, NIGER, NIGERIA, NORWAY, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PERU, PORTUGAL, QATAR, RUSSIAN FEDERATION, SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SENEGAL, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SLOVENIA, SOLOMON ISLANDS, SOMALIA, SOUTH AFRICA, SPAIN, SRI LANKA, SUDAN, SURINAME, SWITZERLAND, SYRIAN ARAB REPUBLIC, TAJIKISTAN, THAILAND, TIMOR-LESTE, TANZANIA, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, TURKIYE, UGANDA, UZBEKISTAN, VIET NAM, YEMEN, ZIMBABWE, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES

more important, insofar as leagues of nations concern "recognition" of political state "actors" associated with the dread Ummah rising from the imaginary community of Torah scholars

arab.org (NGO 1945): AE, BH, DJ, DZ, EG, IQ, JO, KM, KW, LB, LY, MA, MR, OM, PS (PLO, PA), QA, SA, SO, SS, SY, TN, YE

OIC (1969 NGO): AE, AL, AF, AZ, BD, BF, BH, BJ, BN, CM, CI, DZ, EG, GA, GM, GN, GY, GW, ID, IR, IQ, JO, KG, KM, KW, KZ, LB, LY, MA, ML, MR, MV, MY, MZ, NE, NG, OM, PK, PS, QA, SA, SD, SL, SN, SO, SR, SS, SY, TD, TG, TJ, TM, TN, TR, UG, UZ, YE


Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 1 2023 16:25 utc | 51

Re: Blind Rage

As discussed in the earlier thread; The IDF appears to engaging in wild blind rage attacks. Hamas and Hezbollah appear to be methodically raiding IDF positions. A sign that the IDF is struggling.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 16:27 utc | 52

@ peter #44
Yes, I understand it's sad now but I have read sporadic reports of at least 2 tanks destroyed in Gaza (several more near Lebanon) and around a dozen zionazis killed.

@ aleph #45
Thanks, I have that tab open next to MoA and check RT several times per day.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 16:28 utc | 53

sln2002 | Nov 1 2023 16:25 utc | 51

I don't bother reading comments with caps. If you want redo that, I might have a read through it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 16:29 utc | 54

Jonathan W @37 — Wow!

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 1 2023 16:31 utc | 55

Military Chronicle telegram channel analyzes current battle over gaza..
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/milchronicles?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
The Israeli Army is gradually implementing the scenario of clearing urban areas, but the implementation of this task is not so simple yet.

Where is the IDF now?

Israeli ground forces are gradually moving deeper into urban areas in the north and northeast of Gaza, in the Beit Halia area and in the vicinity of the city of Beit Hanoun. Contrary to IDF statements about fierce fighting, the pace of advance, as well as activity, is still far from stated. The IDF command, apparently, is in no hurry to speed up the ground operation: the troops are operating in small tactical groups of up to a platoon. To the southwest, in the area of ​​the city of Al-Mughraqa, the IDF - apparently temporarily - abandoned the expansion of the “security corridor” that had been breached by ground units earlier. At the same time, large-scale attempts to advance deeper into Gaza from the Nureddin al-Zinki highway towards Rafah or Bani Suheila have so far come to nothing. Hamas units move in this area and periodically fire raids on Israeli army units occur, which, on the contrary, does not happen (at least not yet) on the northern borders, from where the IDF began the active part of the ground operation.

How does Hamas operate?

The Palestinians have not yet launched large-scale attacks or sabotage raids. For now, their activity is limited to raids on small columns of the Israeli army near the “security wall.” In Beit Hanoun and the Beit Halia area, Hamas activity is minimal. It appears that the Palestinians are still unable to determine a central combat strategy or are expecting significant numbers of Israeli infantry to accumulate inside urban areas. At the same time, underground launch platforms with unguided missiles are still used for their intended purpose: missile strikes are carried out on Tel Aviv, Beer Sheva, Ashkelon and Ashdod, but long-range missiles capable of reaching Haifa or at least Netanya are used less and less.

What are the losses on both sides?

The number of killed and wounded in direct clashes is measured at best in the dozens on each side. Israel, as expected, relies on the use of mechanized groups accompanied by infantry and tries to eliminate all threats from a safe distance. Hamas, in turn, conducts sabotage raids using quadcopters with drops. Ammunition from drones mainly uses cumulative and fragmentation grenades, but it is not yet possible to cause critical damage to Israeli infantry and equipment with their help. Hamas mobile teams with anti-tank missiles have also shown limited effectiveness, suggesting a bid-and-wait tactic without expanding the combat zone.

Looks like Ritter and MacGregor know what they are talking about...

INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 1 2023 16:32 utc | 56

No he specifically called those who took action against Israel terrorists and criminals. Not propaganda, just read his speech. He knows the nature of the zionist regime. He's not ill informed. This is just Diplomatic shenanigans in the same vein as Iran denouncing the war in Ukraine, but not actually denouncing Russia or admitting to any involvement. It's stuff that irritates me so I feel compelled to give the man a good ribbing.

Posted by: liveload | Nov 1 2023 16:35 utc | 57

I always kept a link to this Vanity Fair article.
This section especially has stuck with me, in particular, the last paragraph:

But the secret plan backfired, resulting in a further setback for American foreign policy under Bush. Instead of driving its enemies out of power, the U.S.-backed Fatah fighters inadvertently provoked Hamas to seize total control of Gaza.

Some sources call the scheme “Iran-contra 2.0,” recalling that Abrams was convicted (and later pardoned) for withholding information from Congress during the original Iran-contra scandal under President Reagan. There are echoes of other past misadventures as well: the C.I.A.’s 1953 ouster of an elected prime minister in Iran, which set the stage for the 1979 Islamic revolution there; the aborted 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion, which gave Fidel Castro an excuse to solidify his hold on Cuba; and the contemporary tragedy in Iraq.

Within the Bush administration, the Palestinian policy set off a furious debate. One of its critics is David Wurmser, the avowed neoconservative, who resigned as Vice President Dick Cheney’s chief Middle East adviser in July 2007, a month after the Gaza coup.

Wurmser accuses the Bush administration of “engaging in a dirty war in an effort to provide a corrupt dictatorship [led by Abbas] with victory.” He believes that Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza until Fatah forced its hand. “It looks to me that what happened wasn’t so much a coup by Hamas but an attempted coup by Fatah that was pre-empted before it could happen,” Wurmser says.

The botched plan has rendered the dream of Middle East peace more remote than ever, but what really galls neocons such as Wurmser is the hypocrisy it exposed. “There is a stunning disconnect between the president’s call for Middle East democracy and this policy,” he says. “It directly contradicts it.”

The 2006 invasion of Lebanon by Israel (a false flag far far more blatant than even the current one or even September 11th)
was supposed to give a pretext for the US/Britain/Israel to invade Syria and Iran. The plan really failed and the IDF was shown to be manned by delinquents experienced only in harassing civilians at check points. The IDF was a paper tiger. Political and military Hezbollah was supposed to have been scrubbed from Lebanon in favor of Lebanese that we saw as "our guys". Hezbollah, political and military wings, are still there and stronger than ever.

The current Gaza crisis is really going to shake up and realign relationships in the Middle East and beyond.

Posted by: librul | Nov 1 2023 16:43 utc | 58

Note: Hamas claimed as of yesterday to have repulsed all IDF incursions and pushed the IDF out of Gaza.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 1 2023 16:44 utc | 59

In response to liveload@11,

Russian troops have experience fighting Hamas in Syria, as does Iran and the SAA. I'm sure that experience, among others, colors their view of the organization. A complex situation like this requires nuanced thinking, not jingoism -- what is Hamas compared to the people of Palestine? As the saying goes in Russia, consider the flies separately from the cutlettes.

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 1 2023 16:47 utc | 60

Speaking of the British, yesterday The Duran featured a fellow named Matthew Ehret — Canadian author, journalist, historian, founder of at least one organization and (if I recall correctly) senior fellow at the American University in Moscow.

The Duran just let him rattle on for more than hour, mostly about the British working against America — a topic he’s written books about. Which had nothing to do with the title of the Duran discussion.

I wonder what if anything the Duran was intending to tell us by letting him talk on and on. Maybe they were just fascinated with the facts he hurled nonstop — I dunno. He seems quite a character.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 1 2023 16:49 utc | 61

Posted by: Roots | Nov 1 2023 15:52 utc | 30

I read a people who shall dwell alone by McDonald and personally it just seemed like objective comparative anthropology. Such studies have been made of other peoples and cultural traditions for centuries. Levi Strauss is a good example.

But McDonald was attacked and cancelled so hard after it's release that I think he started to hate. His later book the culture of critique is actually somewhat antisemitic and extremely anti marxist, which is strange considering there hasn't been a real Jewish constituency for Marxism in generations.

Once again, its not the Jewish people, it's the Zionists. They are a hard right faction of supremacist murderers that have gained political ascendance over the global Jewish community via their control of Israel and it's critical role as attack dog of US imperialism in the region. Although it's been increasingly hard to tell since the Iraq debacle who's actually calling the shots between the two.

It seems very likely, bibi did not consult with us imperialism before launching the current campaign of genocide knowing imperialism is so thoroughly under the political control of Zionism that he'd have his way, regardless. I also think this genocide was fast tracked by the Israelis to strike all regional enemies as hard as possible before US imperialism is so hemmed in by it's multiplying doomed wars, economic imbalance and internal political instability, that it can no longer aid in the way it used to.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 1 2023 16:55 utc | 62

Pundita, Ehret is a follower of the late Lyndon Larouche, of whom you might have heard, if you are unlucky.
Larouche, inter alia, had a theory that the British Royal Family and the Rockefellers are behind most of the crime in the world. And that they are promoting a system originating in the fertile brain of Cecil Rhodes. Or Lord Milner.

The Skwawkbox has a good story about the Human Rights Diector of the UN's resignation:
https://skwawkbox.org/2023/11/01/uns-new-york-human-rights-director-quits-citing-us-uk-collusion-in-gaza-genocide/

Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2023 16:56 utc | 63

I think I’ve finally found a good nickname for Biden.

I kind of liked “slow Joe”, and “pudding skull” had a nice ring to it.

But after reading that his $105b request on aid for Ukraine and Israel includes resettlement money to bribe the Egyptian government into taking whatever tattered remnant of Palestinian people are left, after using two aircraft carriers as muscle, and sending bombs to kill off the Palestinian civilians just like Pol Pot, a new one struck me

Genocide Joe.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 1 2023 16:57 utc | 64

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov has issued shoot-to-kill orders against protesters to prevent unrest similar to Sunday night's anti-Israeli riot in neighboring Dagestan, state media reported Tuesday.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:58 utc | 65

Pundita | Nov 1 2023 16:49 utc | 61

I used to read him a few years back at SCF. Worth reading him to help broaden knowledge. Some topics were of interest to me, some were not. But after reading him I started paying attention to the American royalist and the American nationalists, re GCHQ collaboration with DNC to produce the golden shower Trump dossier and that sort of thing. Pulling the US back into the Anglo fold was a long term British operation. Britain, now a military pygmy, yet its influence operations/psyops are close to as extensive as the US operations.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:00 utc | 66

Genocide Joe.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 1 2023 16:57 utc | 65

LOVE IT!

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 17:00 utc | 67

Flies? Brother, you let me know the next time a fly knocks out Merkava tanks.

Posted by: liveload | Nov 1 2023 17:00 utc | 68

Ehret is the king of academic conspiracy research. He is a nonstop talker on his own podcast dropping names, (secret) societies and relationships like no other.

The Duran wants to tell us, that they are aware that there are other forces envolved than just state actors.

Posted by: Orgel | Nov 1 2023 17:01 utc | 69

Genocide Joe.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 1 2023 16:57 utc | 65

I think I'll go on vistaprint and create my bumper sticker today.
No vote for Genocide Joe 2024

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 17:05 utc | 70

Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 16:58 utc | 66

State media? Somewhat bland statement. Which state?

https://t.me/s/RKadyrov_95


As always, our president is right. Russia is fighting for real freedom, countering fascists and satanists who act in the interests of the West.

Fraternal Dagestan has always been famous for the wisdom of its elders and the deep religious knowledge of the Alim scholars. In order not to become victims of manipulation, youth representatives should consult with such knowledgeable people and listen to their opinion. And then they destroyed their own airport and hotels. They have harmed themselves and their republic. I am sure that at that time there were appeals among authoritative Dagestanis explaining the senselessness of such an action and manipulation on the part of the West, but they were not heard. And what is the result?

If there is such zeal and desire to deal with the enemy, I only welcome! But we need to direct it in the right direction - to Ukraine. Here are the same forces, real Satanists, fascists and servants of Iblis, who support the killing of Palestinians.
I appeal to young people: think before you do something like this. Don't turn into an unintelligent crowd. Spontaneous actions do not lead to good. Consult with your elders.

I thank Vladimir Vladimirovich for his clear, balanced and wise position on this issue. I am proud to be on the team of our president and have the honor to contribute to the support of the SVO! Akhmatovtsy are ready to carry out any order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief anywhere in the world, be it Ukraine or Palestine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:14 utc | 71

The USA dare not criticise or condemn Israel for its actions in Gaza because Israel is doing in Gaza exactly what the USA did in North Korea.

https://russia-insider.com/en/history/us-atrocities-korean-war-chem-and-bio-weapons-mass-civilian-bombing-and-execution/ri23685

Israel is doubtless using blackmail to control the USA.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 1 2023 17:17 utc | 72

The Palestinians did elect Hamas.

The Germans did elect Hitler.

Neither population can call itself out of what happened next.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

Posted by: Augusto Pi | Nov 1 2023 17:17 utc | 73

The Duran, as lovely as they are, are trained in the diplomatic tradition. In an image, they behave as mannered courtiers. And mannered courtiers would never be so ungracious as to directly challenge or cut off any guest they have, let alone interrupt their host on another show.

It's just their training. Courtiers fight differently, because they have to; to leave doors open is better than slamming doors closed, access and whispers, access and whispers. Instead diplomatic training knows it is much the inverse and are trained to hold mouths closed and leave ears open, access and whispers, access and whispers. Since negotiators typically have to win a peace, the fight for peace is by letting A LOT slide for the sake of their real victories brokered by words. And all battles end at the negotiating table...

I get them and appreciate their contributions. It's a different way to see, maneuver, struggle, and resolve matters. That said I love the forthrightness and hot temper of a soldier, too, like Scott Ritter. Or the spy, intelligence man's amused sarcasm and cavalier truth bomb, like a Ray McGovern. Or the journalists' relentless pursuit of accuracy and precision before any name-drop, dot-connecting, like Taibbi, Blumenthal, or Mate'. Different lenses help us see the different slices of complex reality, like the movie alien Predator. And those lenses often come with a personality all their own.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 1 2023 17:21 utc | 74

Augusto Pi | Nov 1 2023 17:17 utc | 74

There is a large difference between war of aggression and genocide to resistance movements that resist the theft of their land and the wanton killing that accompanies the theft of the land.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:22 utc | 75

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:14 utc | 72

What do mean what state? You know what state Chechnya is?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 17:26 utc | 76

The Economist is faking history:

Has done for decades and lied about money for years. Keep moving right wards nothing more to see. A monetarists wet dream.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 1 2023 15:42 utc | 23

Agreed: The Economist was owned by the Rothschilds until fairly recently.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 1 2023 17:27 utc | 77

Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 17:26 utc | 77

What state media. Links? or are you just posting internet rumor or western MSM.
Do you have a link to the state media article on Kadyrov giving orders to shoot?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:28 utc | 78

In response to Augusto Pi@74,

The experience of history indicates that Hitlers come and go, but the German people and the German state remain.

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 1 2023 17:31 utc | 79

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 1 2023 16:22 utc | 49

Yeah. And who elected them? And who continues to elect them, time after time? I don't except my country, the UK, either. However, one must keep in mind that by definition 49% of the population are of below average intelligence.

"Under the influence of politicians, masses of people tend to ascribe the responsibility for wars to those who wield power at any given time. In World War I it was the munitions industrialists; in World War II it was the psychopathic generals who were said to be guilty. This is passing the buck.

The responsibility for wars falls solely upon the shoulders of these same masses of people, for they have all the necessary means to avert war in their own hands. In part by their apathy, in part by their passivity, and in part actively, these same masses of people make possible the catastrophes under which they themselves suffer more than anyone else.

To stress this guilt on the part of the masses of people, to hold them solely responsible, means to take them seriously. On the other hand, to commiserate masses of people as victims, means to treat them as small, helpless children. The former is the attitude held by genuine freedom fighters; the latter that attitude held by power-thirsty politicians."

Wilhelm Reich, The Mass Psychology of Fascism

Posted by: Jams O'Donnell | Nov 1 2023 17:31 utc | 80

Yeah I have a link.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 17:32 utc | 81

Speaking of the British, yesterday The Duran featured a fellow named Matthew Ehret — Canadian author, journalist, historian, founder of at least one organization and (if I recall correctly) senior fellow at the American University in Moscow.

The Duran just let him rattle on for more than hour, mostly about the British working against America — a topic he’s written books about. Which had nothing to do with the title of the Duran discussion.

I wonder what if anything the Duran was intending to tell us by letting him talk on and on. Maybe they were just fascinated with the facts he hurled nonstop — I dunno. He seems quite a character.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 1 2023 16:49 utc | 61

Mr. Ehret is a first rate historian, I thoroughly enjoyed his discourse and I was fascinated by his historical themes. Perhaps you are not aware that the City of London controls the US-read Mr. Ehret and you will be enlightened.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 1 2023 17:33 utc | 82

"international law" enforcement zero day
BRICS (2009 FTA): AE, AR, BR, CN, EG, ET, IN, IR, RU, SA, ZA; DZ*, BO*, ID*, BD*, CM*, ML*, SN*, TH*, UZ*, FJ*, KZ*, TN*, TR*

"international law" enforcement D1
China prepares to head UNSC amid global conflicts
Israel Goes Unnamed on China Online Maps
Bolivia cuts ties with Israel; other Latin American countries recall envoys
Russian president sends classified message to Iranian counterpart
Iran calls for oil and food embargo on Israel

...Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has urged Muslim nations to impose an oil and food embargo on Israel to stop its military operation in Gaza.

Speaking to students in Tehran on Wednesday, Khamenei said, “What Islamic governments must insist on is the immediate cessation of crimes in Gaza,” suggesting that Muslim countries should “block the export of oil and food to the Zionist regime,” as quoted by the state-run IRNA media outlet...

"international law" enforcement D2, 1 Nov
Ambassador Zhang Jun (China), President of the Security Council for the month of November 2023 on the programme of work of the Security Council in November, A/V (EN) 45 min
Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Wang Wenbin’s Regular Press Conference on November 1, 2023

CCTV: Special Envoy of the Chinese Government on the Middle East Issue Zhai Jun just concluded his visit to relevant Arab countries. Can you share more on China’s recent efforts to ease the Palestinian-Israeli situation and consideration for next steps?
Wang Wenbin: Since the Palestinian-Israeli conflict broke out, China has been in close communication with relevant parties to call for ceasefire, end of violence and restoration of peace. When meeting with Egyptian Prime Minister Mostafa Madbouly who was in China for the third Belt and Road Forum for International Cooperation, President Xi Jinping stressed that the top priority is to stop the fighting as soon as possible, and prevent the conflict from spreading or even getting out of control and causing a severe humanitarian crisis. The fundamental way out of the recurring Palestinian-Israeli conflict is to implement the two-state solution, establish an independent State of Palestine and achieve peaceful coexistence between Palestine and Israel. ...

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 1 2023 17:35 utc | 83

Yeah I have a link.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 17:32 utc | 82

You are bullshitting.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:35 utc | 84

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:22 utc | 76

what resistance movement?? everbody calling Hamas a restistance or freedome movement is an idiot
tell me you turd why did Hamas spend all his money and energy buliding an enormous tunnel system
but not even one single bomb shelter for their people, tell me you you moron.
what did the Hamas do since 2006 in Gaza??
i love all you clueless dickheads,

Posted by: publicdisorder | Nov 1 2023 17:36 utc | 85

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 1 2023 17:21 utc | 75

Different lenses help us see the different slices of complex reality, like the movie alien Predator. And those lenses often come with a personality all their own.

Excellent post. Great insight.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 1 2023 17:36 utc | 86

Uh-uh, no I am not.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 17:38 utc | 87

Augusto Pi | Nov 1 2023 17:17 utc | 74
No. The German peole did not elect Hitler or the NSDAP. It was because they could not win an election, and the signs were that the Communists were more likely to do so, that the ruling classselected Hitler to run capitalism for them.

"..Mr. Ehret is a first rate historian, I thoroughly enjoyed his discourse and I was fascinated by his historical themes. Perhaps you are not aware that the City of London controls the US-read Mr. Ehret and you will be enlightened." canuck@83
You make me point for me. The City of London has nit controlled the United States since the 1890s if it ever did.
It is nonsense to claim otherwise.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 1 2023 17:41 utc | 88

Augusto Pi | Nov 1 2023 17:17 utc | 74


The Palestinians did elect Hamas.

The Germans did elect Hitler.

Neither population can call itself out of what happened next.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

And in BOTH cases it was the West who set it all up, drove the people in such a direction in which it was inevitable. So, yeah, "sow the wind, reap the whirlwind"- it'll be blowback on the West.

Posted by: Seer | Nov 1 2023 17:41 utc | 89

i love all you clueless dickheads Posted by: publicdisorder | Nov 1 2023

Still coming to terms with the fact Israel is the fucking Nazis eh? You're a war crimes apologist and I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Israel compares Hamas..a militia composed of mostly teenagers...to Germany in Ww2. It's a bizarre and obviously incorrect analogy. Where are Hamas tanks? Planes? Navy?

IDF are chickenshit murderous clowns and now the whole fucking world knows it. Bigots.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 1 2023 17:42 utc | 90

PeterAU1:
Confirmed (at least to a level that can be expected) from both then, which is good :)

Karlof1 (and others too in this case):
I meant to thank you and others in other threads for recent (and relevant to the above) translations and quotes.

It's nice to be a little spoilt by the efforts of others; thank you! :D

· · · · · · · · · ·

I'm starting to suspect there's a very specific and careful escalation chain on part of the resistance. This makes the actions of Yemen even more interesting (I struggle to believe the Israelis sent boats but if they did then wow talk about being stupid). I don't see Yemen as a proxy at all, far from it.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 1 2023 17:45 utc | 91

Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 17:38 utc | 88

Well you could prove me wrong and yourself as a smart arse simply by posting a link. You could also do nothing which means you are straight out lying and what you posted does not come from state media or you simply made it up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:45 utc | 92

Posted by: publicdisorder | Nov 1 2023 17:36 utc | 86
Looks like the new village idiot has shown up.


but not even one single bomb shelter for their people, tell me you you moron.

You dumb cunt. Isn't it obvious that a bomb shelter would just provide an easy target for the Jews to mass murder a whole bunch of kinds in one go?
What dafaq is a bomb shelter going to help against precision targeted thermobarics - ESPECIALLY WHEN THE JEWS ARE FUCKING BANNING CONCRETE FROM THE STRIP!?

Can you figure out that one simple thing, you low iq dipshit?


what did the Hamas do since 2006 in Gaza??

Build the ONLY possible resistance infrastructure possible in such a scenario: A FUCKING DEFENSIVE TUNNEL NETWORK - YOU IMBECILE!


i love all you clueless dickheads,

Fuck-knuckle. Clearly a product of the American public schooling system.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 1 2023 17:45 utc | 93

You lot are really losing the plot. You wouldn't happen to be a renamed sandy freeman of whatever his name was?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:48 utc | 94

Posted by: publicdisorder | Nov 1 2023 17:36 utc | 86

It is you who are a clueless dickhead. Perhaps total embargo and open-air prison are too complicated of thoughts for you, but that is what Gazans have had to overcome since 2006. Maybe your zionist masters can explain why they refused to even allow building materials into the area for the past 17 years.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 17:49 utc | 95

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:45 utc | 93

I hear you.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 17:49 utc | 96

My 95 was directed at the mind disorder who miss named itself public disorder.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 1 2023 17:51 utc | 97

It was a good question though: what has Hamas done for its people? I am sure Google will enlighten is just as it returned as its number 1 search result Biden's speech when I googled "Putin speech Hamas".

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 1 2023 17:55 utc | 98

Posted by: Seer | Nov 1 2023 17:41 utc | 90

If you listen to Alex Jones and his ilk (I have a friend that does), it was the banksters that started both WW1 and 2 for the profits and population reduction.
The thinking goes: why didn't Hitler invade Switzerland? Because he knew who his masters were.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 17:56 utc | 99

@ 99
It was a good question though: what has Hamas done for its people?

I can tell you what they haven't done...become the guard dogs and screws for the zionists like the PA.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 1 2023 17:59 utc | 100

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