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November 30, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-290
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“There are of course real conspiracies and underhand deals. They abound. But this narrative of ‘everything under control’ goes much beyond that, nudging us to believe that complex happenings that could not possibly be ‘planned’ are in fact ‘planned’ thanks to the immense power, intelligence, and foresight of the major actors. It undermines all human discourse of values, politics, resistance as mere ‘epiphenomena’, an appearance, which is governed completely by the intentions of certain class of people. These classes of people do indeed exist, but they are not in control, they are managing crises, one after another.”
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“Do not promote this narrative of ‘everything is under control’. It is vital for certain classes of people to maintain it in order to offer comfort and assurance to those who still have faith in them and to create doubt among those who question.”
Posted by: Jhaji | Dec 1 2023 5:52 utc | 91
You have insight! Well formulated!
I hear that Yemeni Army entered the Hypersonic Club as the fifth country on the planet.
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 1 2023 8:42 utc | 101
I hear that Yemeni Army entered the Hypersonic Club as the fifth country on the planet.
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 1 2023 8:42 utc | 101
I’ll believe that when I see it. Unfortunately I’ve heard instead that there’s been a strike near Sanaa at Attan mountain.
Either retaliation against the Houthi or someone’s been smoking too close to the gunpowder barrel.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 9:00 utc | 102
I’ll believe that when I see it. Unfortunately I’ve heard instead that there’s been a strike near Sanaa at Attan mountain.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 9:00 utc | 102
… and I tell you, a coalition of US, Zionist Apartheid regime, Saudi, Emirati and ISIS engaged in a 9 years long war against Yemen, at the end, they lost and gave up.
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 1 2023 9:29 utc | 103
Is it surprising that the Muslim Brotherhood that controls every aspect of Hamas and is a confederate of USUKIS ‘political running of the world , has brought about a crisis that enables Israel to attack Palestinians with impunity?
..,.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2023 6:52 utc
This is a key point, I am unclear why it isn’t shared more. Perhaps it contradicts our plucky band of resistance fighters cultural mythos. Even the NYT states that Israel was warned a year in advance., but an officer rejected the warnings – this is straight out of a Hollywood movie.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Dec 1 2023 10:41 utc | 104
Again, important background onthe Muslim Brotherhood:
From Munich to the Soviet Steppes: the CIA finds the Muslim Brothers
http://www.srilankaguardian.org/2023/11/from-munich-to-soviet-steppes-cia-finds.html?m=1
Posted by: Seer | Dec 1 2023 11:21 utc | 105
Posted by: william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:43 utc | 53
The tibetan buddhist theocrats known for cutting peasant’s noses and such nice things?
Yeah, the kind of bullshit you can count on communists to stop.
Good job there, China.
Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 1 2023 11:21 utc | 106
The killings by the Illegal Apartheid Entity’s Fascist Citizen Soldiers of stone throwing children- shot by snipers – is on the record. It is a criminal act and first degree murder.
The pregnant Arab Israeli stabbed to death as she walked her other children to school by some crazed Apartheid Invader is also criminal whether it is under diminished responsibility is another matter.
Either way there must be international trials for the IDF and The Illegal Apartheid State , that would include Life sentences for the perpetrators and their commanders and political leaders. That would include the failure of the police and judiciary and any external parties – such as the massive US and U.K. Zionist bodies that have now come out as Fascist Zionists who have used the ethnojaudeo religions as a human shield for the last 80 years.
I do believe there is now a case of a R2P task force, a coalition of the willing to step into the Palestine and the Levant to cause regime change of the fascist Zionist apartheid illegal entity and bring its short lived malignant tumour existence to an end. Such a task force can be led by the Chinese or Turkish. Them being not directly engaged in the setting up of the Illegal and fascist Zionist Apartheid Entity.
Any mentally confused inhabits and supporters who have bought the fantasy story of entitlement and righteousness of that illegal colonialism better WAKE UP and do it fast. They ought to start packing their bags and head off to some other shore where they can live a life in peace where they have roots of some sort.
The assassinated children and pregnant women will have their justice and revenge, Gladiator style if necessary.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 1 2023 11:26 utc | 107
The US answers to the City of London. Ergo, the City of London are executing this gambit.
Posted by: canuck | Nov 30 2023 20:58 utc | 34
The notion that the City rules OK is oft encountered. Got to say I don’t see it. Eisenhower’s threat to trash sterling in 1956 early showed where the financial clout lies. Perhaps I’m missing something
Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Nov 30 2023 23:01 utc | 46
The City of London has nothing really to do with the UK it is a supranational organization it just happens to be geographically inside the UK but the UK parliament has no jurisdiction over the City.
Run today by Anglo/Zionists it was born in 1694 with bankers loaning William III 1.2 Million pounds creating the ‘paper pound’. But it really starting going when Sir Robert Clive was victorious in 1757 at the Battle of Plassey in India and he brought back to the City countless treasure, mainly gold back to the UK.
In 1956 the City backed another horse-they care about money and power, nationalism is but a tool they use to get more money and power. US, China, Antarctica it doesn’t matter to these faceless tyrants
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/31/corporation-london-city-medieval
Even though Israel does not recognize Nakba, there are voices calling for Nakba 2.0. Everyone else seems to be penalized for voicing what may be perceived as an agenda detrimental to someone else, except these clowns. Strange. Or maybe not so strange.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Dec 1 2023 11:28 utc | 109
@Zargo
The Hamas attack at the Jerusalem bus stop, which is of course in Occupied Palestine, was said to be in response to Israeli attacks in what is called the West Bank, a euphemism so Israel does not have to choke on saying Occupied Palestine.
Israel has released a hundred or so prisoners, women and children, and arrested and imprisoned 3000 others in the same time.
It has also killed and allowed Jewish settlers, given licence to kill, hundreds of Palestinians outside of the Gaza prison.
And a Jewish settler stabbed to death a heavily pregnant Palestinian woman in front of her child.
As well an Israeli sniper executed a nine year old boy who was running for safety.
And people wonder why the Palestinian Resistance attacked a bus stop in Occupied Palestine.
Posted by: rosross | Dec 1 2023 7:10 utc | 100
Excellent comment-numnuts like Zargo missed their morality classes in public school.
Posted by: drew currah | Dec 1 2023 11:29 utc | 110
Posted by: drew currah | Dec 1 2023 11:29 utc | 110
Pretty much anything the palestinians do, and pretty much anything anybody else would do against the usurping entity is already justified from 70+ years of wanton murder, eviction, razing and siege by international jewish supremacists.
Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 1 2023 11:53 utc | 112
grunzt | Nov 30 2023 16:58 utc | 10
My view, fwiw, next to nothing I suppose, it is a nothingburger, creative entertaining sophistry. I think it’s irrational at face value and lacks genuine supporting evidence for all the claims being made. Has more holes in the “hypothesis” (which it isn’t even one) than a kitchen cullender. 🙂
Mark it down as really good Hollywood movie script. Might even be the makings of blockbuster. But credible it is not. There are no verifiable facts in support the “hypothesis”, only conjecture based on multiple logical fallacies.
I have followed Thierry for many many years on/off and find his material and ideas often useful and insightful. Not this time. I’m not sure what he’s up to, but it does not pass the smell test to me. It’s good to maintain a skeptical stance when confronted with such “stories”.
However if there are some facts and evidence to hand, do share.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 1 2023 13:02 utc | 113
Posted by: drew currah | Dec 1 2023 11:29 utc | 110
Pretty much anything the Palestinians do, and pretty much anything anybody else would do against the usurping entity is already justified from 70+ years of wanton murder, eviction, razing and siege by international Jewish supremacists.
Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 1 2023 11:53 utc | 112
Agreed
bevin 66
Internal divisions in Arab countries consist of Arab leaders using USUKIS weapons and Intel to spy on and oppress their own citizens. The rivalries between ruling factions are irrelevant. Arab leaders admire Israeli genocide.
The pain MbS experienced was jealousy.
Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2023 15:08 utc | 115
Giyane@115
I cannot believe that the ordinary Arab citizen/subject has no power in these polities. Tyrants owe much of their power to their sensitivity towards those they tyrannise.
I do not doubt that MbS and the even worse MbZ feel much more at home with the scoundrels in Tel Aviv than they do with the hoipoloi of Riyadh or Dubai (much of which is semi indentured foreign labour) but neither will last much longer unless he changes his attitude towards public opinion and at least puts up a pretence of giving a damn for babies in Gaza, none of which will now ever grace a harem.
Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 15:34 utc | 116
Anyone have insight;
1) How long can the Israeli economy support full mobilization ?
2) will Congress bankrupt the federal gov’t to save Israel ?
Posted by: Exile | Dec 2 2023 11:44 utc | 117
I hear that Yemeni Army entered the Hypersonic Club as the fifth country on the planet.
Posted by: Framarz | Dec 1 2023 8:42 utc | 101
This must be after IR occupying Iran being the 4th “hypersonic” power. It is sad that this sort of ignorance is peddled around here. Anything that moves faster than sound in a medium is “hypersonic”. (Are you really that uneducated?)
Hypersonic does not refer to the velocity of the moving object. That technical barrier was crossed a century or more ago. It is actually pretty easy. Stick a mullah in a tube and light the match. Sure, the robbed hypocrite is now moving faster than sound waves, but does it have the required brains, sensors, and avionics to handle the g forces and the extreme temperature (changes)? How about the power system?
So Yemen must be an industrial powerhouse, to have advanced materials technology, propulsion systems, avionics, sensor tech, and computing to get an object moving faster than speed of sound (easy, pretty much anything called rocket does that) to do controlled movements at 6 times the speed of sound, in terminal stage.
Or back on planet earth, Yemen does not have this technology. Heck, even USA burned mountains of money on getting some of those subsystems to work in the requirement environment.
IR propaganda is the jokiest b.s. around. Was is sad is that it is not funny to Iranians.
Let me explain REALITY to you Framarz:
SpaceX, a mere outsourced private arm of US MIC, sends advanced tech into the sky every other day with boosters that land back. IR occupying Iran has been sending tin cans circa 1960s tech and calling it “resistance”.
You are mostly fools. Your error is thinking we’re all fools.
Posted by: robinthehood | Dec 2 2023 15:35 utc | 118
UNDER FASCIST MODI
https://newcoldwar.org/india-is-the-epicentre-of-hate-and-misinformation-against-palestinians/
…Indian media was the leading proponent of spreading fake news about 40 beheaded babies, which was later found to be false. Indian media, including outlets like Republic, NDTV, Times of India and Times Now, spread false news about 40 beheaded babies during the Israel-Palestine conflict.
War Mongering is not new for Indian TV channels. During the 2019 Pulwama attack in Kashmir, there were loud calls for immediate action on Pakistan and a formal declaration of war by mainstream Indian channels.
India’s Prime Minister, Narendra Modi’s official tweet, expressing solidarity with Israel and labelling Hamas operatives as “terrorists”, mirrors the narrative echoed by Indian media.
This stance diverges from India’s official policy, which does not designate Hamas as a terrorist organisation…
Posted by: MD | Dec 2 2023 15:52 utc | 119