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November 30, 2023

Palestine Open Thread 2023-290

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Israeli far right’s plans for expulsion and expansion -
Le Monde diplomatique

‘There needs to be a path to a Palestinian state,’ says Joe Biden, but it’s far from clear what that path looks like. Meanwhile, Israel’s right see an opportunity in the tragedy.

It’s often said that wars are easier to start than finish. Israel’s war in Gaza is already proving to be a particularly telling demonstration of this. Hamas’s operation Al-Aqsa Flood of 7 October has given Israel’s far right, which dominates the government Binyamin Netanyahu formed in late 2022, the ideal opportunity to implement their plan for a Greater Israel that includes the West Bank and Gaza, in other words, the whole of British Mandate Palestine.

The political-ideological lineage of the Likud party, which Binyamin Netanyahu has run since 2005 (and before that in 1996-99) can be traced back to a fascist-inspired strain of ‘revisionist Zionism’ which emerged in the interwar period. Before Israel’s foundation, this movement campaigned for the Zionist project to incorporate the entire territory of the British mandate on both banks of the Jordan, including Transjordania, which Britain granted to the Hashemite dynasty in 1921, creating present-day Jordan. Later, having focused its ambition on mandatory Palestine, the movement criticised the Zionism favoured by David Ben Gurion’s Labour movement (MAPAI), for having stopped fighting in 1949 before it took the West Bank and Gaza.

For Ben Gurion and his comrades, this was simply unfinished business: Israel occupied both territories in 1967. Since then, Likud has consistently sought to outdo the territorial ambitions of Labourite Zionism and its allies when it comes to these territories.

Posted by: b | Nov 30 2023 15:54 utc | 1

‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza - 972mag
Permissive airstrikes on non-military targets and the use of an artificial intelligence system have enabled the Israeli army to carry out its deadliest war on Gaza, a +972 and Local Call investigation reveals.

Posted by: b | Nov 30 2023 15:56 utc | 2

In undisclosed call, Pope Francis warned Israel against committing ‘terror’ - WaPo

As bombs fell and tanks penetrated deep into Gaza in late October, Israeli President Isaac Herzog held a fraught phone call with Pope Francis. The Israeli head of state was describing his nation’s horror over the Hamas attack on Oct. 7 when the pope issued a blunt rejoinder.

It is “forbidden to respond to terror with terror,” Francis said, according to a senior Israeli official familiar with the call, which has not been previously reported.

Herzog protested, repeating the position that the Israeli government was doing what was needed in Gaza to defend its own people. The pope continued, saying those responsible should indeed be held accountable, but not civilians.

That private call would inform Israeli interpretations of Francis’s polemic statement, at his Nov. 22 general audience in St. Peter’s Square, that the conflict had “gone beyond war. This is terrorism.” Taken with the diplomatic exchange — deemed so “bad” by the Israelis that they did not make it public — the implication seemed clear: The pope was calling their campaign in Gaza an act of terrorism.

Posted by: b | Nov 30 2023 15:59 utc | 3

Posted by: b | Nov 30 2023 15:56 utc | 2

They intend to continue that in southern Gaza, and have stated their intention to resume attacking the entire enclave. It seems (to me at least) that they have decided to totally destroy Gaza and be done with it, as well as to annex the WB and be done with that, too. The "final solution".

My guess is the US agrees and approves, despite any public performance and words. Not least because they are supplying the means for the destruction. The EU seems also to be for such a "final solution" in order to get its agreed gas supplies and maintain its other interests.

On another note, here is the HAMAS stance from a high ranking official on a visit to South Africa:

Dr. Naim confirmed that Hamas is trying to negotiate a permanent ceasefire.
“We are ready to release all (Israeli) soldiers, in exchange for the release of all our prisoners… But this should not be the only condition to reach a permanent ceasefire”.

The movement, he explained, is calling for an immediate and unconditional “end to the aggression” by Israel; border crossings to be opened for basic humanitarian aid to reach the people; and a political process to be initiated that will lead to an independent Palestinian state with its people being allowed “to return to their homes and villages”.

On the two-state solution, Dr. Naim believed it had been “totally destroyed or undermined by Israel.”

He said Hamas has declared that if all Palestinians “agree to accept a state on 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital, and preserving the right of return, we are ready to accept it.”

However, with Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, having presented “a map of Palestine at the UN last September, which he said is only Israel, there’s no chance for another state.”

https://www.palestinechronicle.com/political-conflict-cannot-be-solved-with-military-tools-hamas-official/

Posted by: JB | Nov 30 2023 16:14 utc | 4

It is hard to do- justifiable anger has to be put aside for a moment- but we need to understand that this war is entirely the responsibility of the United States and the other sub-states which choose to side with the US.
The reality is that the war would be over this afternoon, just as it would have ended decades ago were there not a depraved appetite for it in the USA. It is an appetite that US governments have schooled their European and other 'allies' to share.

It is a mistake to expect Tel Aviv or Ankara to or anywhere except Washington to solve this crisis- it is entirely, in all its aspects, of the empire's making. At the moment if your government supports Tel Aviv you are complicit in genocide of the most extreme kind- a genocide that now, undpubtedly, takes thre form of deliberately encouraging the spread of deadly disease which, together with malnutrition is consciously calculated to kill hundreds of thousands.

In Canada our MPs are complicit in this plot unless they are calling and voting for an immediate end to the attack on Gaza.

'b' does well in reminding us of the history of Zionism's evolution but the fact is that zionism has long been a philosophical flourish by cynics intent on consolidating a military base and changing the ethnic balance of the Middle East- the capitals of every NATO nation are full of enthusiasts for zionism who have not the slightest intention of uprooting their families and moving to Israel for more than a week at a time.
Zionism is for suckers, chancers and sacrificial lambs- it always was.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2023 16:34 utc | 5

@ b 1 & 2

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A "war" is a fine excuse to make genocide.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 30 2023 16:36 utc | 6

Elon Musk caught some flak for his visit to Israel, but it seems that in hindsight, he has gifted the Palestinians' cause with even more evidence of Israeli lies about the real events of Oct 7 and the actual perpetrators of most killings and atrocities on that date (the Israelis themselves).

https://nitter.net/cavit_bircan/status/1729625707175674067

Cavit Bircan @cavit_bircan Nov 28
Bibi shows Musk a crib full of spent brass "fired by Hamas". But the crib is full of NATO spec casings and M13 or M27 disintegrating MG links,all used by IDF. Considering Netanyahu was in IDF SF back in the day, he knew exactly what he was looking at but lied anyway
@Lucas_Gage_
Nov 28, 2023 · 10:17 PM UTC

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 30 2023 16:37 utc | 7

Another thread with more info:

https://nitter.net/almircolan/status/1729673484098486688#m

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 30 2023 16:50 utc | 8

Mearsheiner or whatever his name is had a great interview with Napo. 2 things stood out:
- Israeli/US plan to install PLO/Abbas to rule Gaza is laughable. They are hated by Gazans
- Israel and US are in trouble. No way they can send ground forces to the tunnels. The soldiers will rebel. And now they have to be VERY careful in their bombing of South Gaza.

I agree. I think if they bomb South Gaza same way they did North. The anger of World will boil over. Its like hitting a dog that you have kicked and tied down with a tire iron.

Posted by: Comandante | Nov 30 2023 16:53 utc | 9

Thierry Meyssan‘s reading of the Gaza War

The events of October 7th are the part of the conflict that is hardest to understand. A Hamas-orchestrated uprising of this scale is unprecedented. So far, it seemed impossible that the organization could cause some 1000 Israeli deaths and take 240 hostages, in a surprise attack of a few hours, that turned out successfully in an all too smooth and easy manner.

After October 7th, the logic of events is more obvious. We have a terrorized Israelian population, whose prime minister is filled with the desire for retaliation. We are witnessing an effort from his side, to either exterminate the 2.3 million inhabitants of the Gaza strip, or squeeze them through the Rafah border crossing into the Egyptian desert, and have the „International Community“ take care of them. This isn’t very surprising, since Netanyahu and friends have always had a desire to get rid of the Palestinians, and annex their land, a desire which is also fuelled by the sheer population pressure in Israel.

Discussing October 7th, several versions of false flag or LIHOP scenarios have been proposed at MoA. What I now want to do, is give a commented wrapup of Thierry Meyssan's theory, which he published two days ago on

https://www.voltairenet.org/article220078.html

To explain the smooth and devastating performance of the Oct 7th attacks, it makes sense to assume that
- The procedures have been planned meticulously
- A broadly based coalition, in mutual agreement on the agenda, has been working together.

Indeed this was the case, Thierry Meyssan suggests. The planning was conducted by the masters of the genre, the CIA and possibly MI6. So, the Americans were leading the action from the very start. It’s their way of maintaining friendships and stepping up their influence in the Middle East, by paving the way towards a greater Israel. The second conspirator was the Israeli government – for the simple reason that they wanted the war, aiming to annex the 1967 territory (minus the Sinai). Third, we have some elites of the international Muslim Brotherhood among the conspirators. They have always been close to the US establishment, and their aim is to become the leading Arab power in the Middle East.

You might wonder where I left Hamas, which is, in itself, an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. While they participated in the attacks, they were not informed about Israel’s and the US‘s participation. Therefore, the Hamas rank and file staff, ended up in the loser‘s camp – they are the ones who have to do the fighting in the rubble and the tunnel system. Their opponents on the ground, the lower ranks of the IDF, are suffering heavy losses as well, and must also be counted among the losers. The third losing party is, of course, those 2.3 million inhabitants of the Gaza strip, with currently 13,000 confirmed dead, not counting those left under the rubble.

The rest are details. To learn about the inner structure of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the seven questions asked by Thierry Meyssan in order to substantiate his theory, just follow the link above (posted earlier by Turk 152 and others, many thanks) and check it out, in your preferred language.

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 30 2023 16:58 utc | 10

In two pieces of breaking news, g7 asked Houthis to stop messing with ships and "respect law"....ships get more attention than dead children. Priorities.

The ICC guy got off his backside and is going to drum roll not Gaza or Jenin but to Israel to see what "Hamas" did...he may also go to Ramallah to visit the Israel's PA henchmen. Is someone going to tell him who killed all those poeple on Oct 7?

Meanwhile the ICRC which has lost all neutrality is more like the Israeli Red Cross: not visiting Palestinians in the Israeli jails even as they are tortured but falling over themselves to pick up the Israeli captives.

This is a harrowing story. After Israeli ordered everyone out of Nasr hospital including the parents of babies, the ICRC were supposed to go and get some babies in incubators. But they didn't.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-gaza-dead-premature-babies-nasr-hospital

I've been thinking about that video from yesterday where you see a 9 year old boy shot by an Israeli sniper. His friend crouching behind a car, risks his own life to drag the body of his buddy behind the car.

That's pretty amazing if you think about it. A heroic and spontaneous act from a young boy.

That is how Palestinian resistance fighters grow up. That is their training. The IDF train by torturing kids and the Palestinian kids train by standing up to the IDF. Some of them. This one started vomiting when he was taken away, although the IDF already has his brothers. It is literally kidnapping.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-army-detains-boy-after-child-house-raid

Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 17:01 utc | 11

I think the danger now is that the Zionists being stymied by world opinion and Hamas in Gaza, will to exact their revenge on the Palestinians in the West Bank.

Posted by: Delhiliterally | Nov 30 2023 17:38 utc | 12

..."if your government supports Tel Aviv you are complicit in genocide"...

Nope. I am most definitely not complicit in any of the usa gov's crimes - because i don't remain silent, i actively condemn and oppose my outlaw government.

I am awash in proper shame of what the usa does, yes - but no way will i agree to carry the guilt of the guilty parties for them.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Nov 30 2023 17:38 utc | 13

I think the danger now is that the Zionists being stymied by world opinion and Hamas in Gaza, will to exact their revenge on the Palestinians in the West Bank

Like any sadistic bully. Everyone knows this behavior..pick on the weak. I would enjoy seeing the IDF on the line in Zaporozhye. How many hours do you think those pampered baby killers would last before total capitulation?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 30 2023 17:46 utc | 14

This is what "the only democracy" in the Middle East, fully supported by the West in its every action, does:

Prime Minister's Office: Prime Minister Netanyahu directed that the homes of the two militants who perpetrated today's attack in Jerusalem be sealed and demolished.

Posted by: JB | Nov 30 2023 17:47 utc | 15

CNN has removed all mention of Palestinians from its daily feed on the war, and has a bunch of articles calling for, err I mean, predicting the end of the ceasefire and the resumption Israeli attacks. So US audiences are being prepped.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 30 2023 17:52 utc | 16

If joos drop a 2000 pound amelikan bomb on the head of a toddler on a tricycle, what does the judenpresse call it? A) democracy, B) freedom, C) self defense, D) multiculturalism.

Posted by: 24ouncer | Nov 30 2023 18:33 utc | 17

Sorry about reprint, I noticed this new Palestine Open Thread too late.

"The text of Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahians speech was scheduled to be read out by the foreign minister at Wednesday’s meeting of the United Nations Security Council but as the United States delayed in issuing visas for the Iranian delegation it was not possible for the delegation to attend the event. So the speech will be delivered by the representative of the Islamic Republic of Iran in New York for the United Nations’ record."
https://en.mfa.ir/portal/NewsView/735221

" ... Murdering and exterminating the people of Palestine should not become normalized. This is a legal and moral obligation and duty in accordance with the joint article one of the four Geneva conventions of 1949 and the Genocide Convention of 1948. Perpetrators must not be allowed to play the victim and evade accountability and responsibility before the international community and keep on genociding the Palestinian nation by resorting to and misusing the crimes committed by others decades ago in another continent against the Jews and by accusing critics of anti-Semitism. The legitimate and legal resistance of the Palestinian nation to achieve the right to self-determination as well as defending human rights and human dignity of Palestinians are an entitlement admitted in the UN Charter and international law. And no person, state or organization cannot depose Palestinian of such an entitlement. Branding the legitimate struggle of the people of Palestine for their self-determination right as terrorism is the blatant and deliberate violation of the UN Charter and the peremptory norms of international law and is Immoral and reprehensible. ..."

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 30 2023 18:35 utc | 18

The pope was calling their campaign in Gaza an act of terrorism.

Posted by: b | Nov 30 2023 15:59 utc | 3

Many, even in the Catholic Church, are so busy criticizing the pope for every imaginable thing that they don't take the trouble to listen what he actually says. Thanks for that b.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 30 2023 18:39 utc | 19

Max Blumenthal of the Gray Zone on Nap Weds 29 Nov

Lot of good info in his 25 minutes.

"Israeli society has been whipped up into a genocidal blood-lust."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgJktO5mb_c

Posted by: botete | Nov 30 2023 19:06 utc | 20

Huge pressure point developing now in real time........less than 24 hours left until the temporary cease fire ends in Gaza.
The IDF has signaled that is desires to stage full out immediate combat operations and airstrikes in South Gaza, near Rafah, now that it has demolished 90% of Northern Gaza and Gaza City.
Most of the population of Gaza is now concentrated in the Rafah area, nearly 2.3 million folks! These are now destitute, without shelter, and medical supplies and sufficient food and water - they are helpless.

So here is the pressure point.....how does the US allow the now crazed IDF to initiate this next massive phase of the Gaza operation in the face of huge domestic pressure from inside the Democratic Party, including over 20 Democratic Senators pushing hard for a permanent ceasefire, and massive worldwide condemnation of IDF genocide, including from Pope Francis I, the protector of the Holy Sites.

Secretary Blinkin is in Israel today ordering the IDF not to move South...........does he have the torque to stop the impending and continuing massacre in South Gaza and prevent WWIII in ME ? Does he have the torque to prevent the expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza, the destruction of the West Bank, and the creation of the fanatical Greater Israel as is the goal of the Likud coalition?

In the event that Blinkin fails and the IDF moves to create Greater Israel, even SA, Jordan, Turkey and Egypt will be forced to act......and a general conflagration will ensue......today is indeed a big day, stay tuned.....

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 30 2023 19:26 utc | 21

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 30 2023 19:26 utc | 21

The US has no problem with allowing the destruction of Gaza because it answers to no one, and US politics is an incestuous game. This whole theater, Blinken's back and forth - according to US media he is discussing with the Zionists what to do with the Palestinin population, to move them here or there.

Let's hear them. The newest:

The United States does not support the idea of a permanent ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, said John Kirby, the White House coordinator for strategic Communications.
"We do not support a permanent ceasefire at the moment. We support the idea of humanitarian pauses," he told reporters on Thursday.

Kirby: When Israel decides to go after Hamas again, it will find support from the United States.

Posted by: JB | Nov 30 2023 19:43 utc | 22

Mark Curtis of Declassified UK writes that
"It’s frankly been the most terrible month of events concerning UK policies that we at Declassified have ever reported on. As I write, the death toll of Palestinians at the hands of Israel stands at around 14,500.

"As you will know, Israel’s bombing of Gaza has been cheered on by most British MPs, and actively backed by the UK government. Most people I know share the feeling I have, of anger, at how the UK political establishment is so complicit in clear war crimes, and so utterly unrepresentative of the British public.

"It’s vital that people take to the streets on demonstrations and other actions because the UK establishment is complicit in these crimes, and that includes the media. Where have the UK media been in reporting how the UK government is backing Israel’s war on Gaza? Pretty much nowhere...."

https://www.declassifieduk.org/
Among the website's current articles are:
NO OUTCRY OVER RISHI SUNAK’S FAMILY INVESTMENTS IN ISRAEL

U.S. FLIES ‘ROUTINE’ SPY FLIGHTS FROM UK’S CYPRUS BASE NEAR GAZA FOR ‘THIRD PARTY GOVERNMENTS’
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"We were honoured this month to publish a very moving article by Shahd Abusalama, who wrote for us about the unimaginable loss she suffered from Israel’s bombing of the Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza. Shahd was born and raised in that camp. She wrote:

“On 23 October, my cousins and their little angels were amongst 23 relatives killed while asleep at their own homes in Jabalia refugee camp. My family’s survivors couldn’t give a goodbye or a proper funeral as Israel’s killing machines have haunted them. My auntie’s son Khalil is the only survivor of his family.

“The lifeless bodies of his wife Heba (35) and children Leen (12), Jihad (10) and Sham (5) were pulled from under the rubble after six hours. Heba, a skilled nurse at the Indonesian hospital, and her children had left their home and sought refuge at the home of another cousin Rana, who is married to Heba’s brother Jawad. Jawad survived but Rana (40) was killed, alongside two of her five children, the little ones, Mohammed (5) and Naama (7), while the twin girls Jana and Jinan (12) and Husni (10), survived with wounds.”
"Then, Shahd asked: “What other disasters need to happen before a ceasefire is enforced with steps towards accountability for all the genocide cheerleaders?”

"It was an important question. But that ceasefire was never called for by the UK parliament. British MPs voted overwhelmingly to support Israel’s continued bombing of Gaza. Only 125 MPs, around 20%, voted for a ceasefire. Less than 100 MPs supported a previous parliamentary motion demanding a ceasefire, as our head of communications, Vicki Thomas, reported.

"One of our regular contributors, John McEvoy, showed that as the Labour party refused to back a ceasefire in Gaza, two-fiths of Keir Starmer’s shadow cabinet has been funded by pro-Israel lobbyists..."

Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2023 19:45 utc | 23

@ Tobias Cole | Nov 30 2023 19:26 utc | 21 with the Hollywood depiction of our current reality....sigh/thanks

Blinken is a tool just like Kissinger. What happens in Occupied Palestine will indicate the direction the God Of Mammon cult will go......Pope Frank knows his future is on the line as well....this is a civilization war about barbaristic patriarchy bullies against the meek who will inherit the world when the bullies are deprecated in polite society...grin

How many are dying or have died in Ukraine and all the other nations under the jackboot of empire. I just hope this will really be the end of empire but am not holding my breath.....how many more humans of all ages have to die?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 30 2023 19:45 utc | 24

Another brilliant attack by Hamas, murdering folks at a bus stop. Let the excuses and justifications begin. Meanwhile the axis of resistance sings platitudes and wrings their hands. Egypt, Morocco Jordan Saudi Arabia the UAE and Quatar actively support Israel.
Hamas launched its war for domestic reasons with little if any hope of doing anything to help the Palestinians—but you can bet they have utilized the carnage to eliminate any domestic opposition.
The first rule in understanding wars of choice—domestic concerns are always the primary driver. If Israel resumes the war, it will be for domestic considerations.

Posted by: Zargo | Nov 30 2023 19:48 utc | 25

Decades on, Israel tries to bury its darkest times
22 March 2016

The National – 22 March 2016

One might expect that only historians would care to revisit the 1948 war that created Israel. And yet the debate about what constitutes truth and myth from that period still provokes raw emotions.

Much rests on how those events are reconstructed, not least because the shock waves have yet to subside. Israelis fear, and Palestinians crave, a clearer picture of the past because it would powerfully illuminate the present. It might also influence the international community’s proposed solutions for the conflict.

That is why the unearthing of an Israeli soldier’s letter from 1948 detailing what was probably the war’s worst massacre – one long buried by Israel – is of more than historical significance……..

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/2016-03-22/decades-on-israel-tries-to-bury-its-darkest-times/

Posted by: Exile | Nov 30 2023 19:49 utc | 26

Posted by: Zargo | Nov 30 2023 19:48 utc | 25

An Israeli military campaign to destroy Hamas should do it.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 30 2023 19:53 utc | 27

Posted by: Zargo | Nov 30 2023 19:58 utc | 28

"Israel’s response to the Oct. 7 terror attacks has killed thousands of civilians, and may strengthen the terrorist group"

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 30 2023 20:01 utc | 29

"but as the United States delayed in issuing visas for the Iranian delegation it was not possible for the delegation to attend the event. "

That was not a delay. It was perfectly on schedule.

The US might talk up smaller bombs, but every action, across the board, is in support of Israel turning Gaza into a death camp.

Posted by: oracle | Nov 30 2023 20:32 utc | 30

@Posted by: b | Nov 30 2023 15:54 utc | 1

Hamas’s operation Al-Aqsa Flood of 7 October has given Israel’s far right, which dominates the government Binyamin Netanyahu formed in late 2022, the ideal opportunity to implement their plan for a Greater Israel that includes the West Bank and Gaza, in other words, the whole of British Mandate Palestine

I have said it before, the Zionists actions are NOT about Hamas. It is a bait-and-switch, if that is the right term, operation.
Hamas is not the primary target. The Palestinian people and their land are, and have always been, the primary target.

Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2023 20:50 utc | 31

Netanyahu graft trial to resume next week as courts end emergency footing

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s trial on corruption charges, which was suspended along with all other non-urgent cases after October 7, will resume next week.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-graft-trial-to-resume-next-week-as-courts-end-emergency-footing/

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 30 2023 20:53 utc | 32

The smear of "antisemitism" is being used to intimidate, shout over, and silence
distress over genocide. The smear of "antisemitism" is being used to enable genocide.

Those that hurl that term now **and in the future** should be asked whether
they supported genocide.

Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2023 20:55 utc | 33

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 30 2023 19:26 utc | 21

"The US has no problem with allowing the destruction of Gaza because it answers to no one,.."

Incorrect. The US answers to the City of London. Ergo, the City of London are executing this gambit.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 30 2023 20:58 utc | 34

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 30 2023 16:58 utc | 10

Tend to agree, too many things make little sense, and in a 9/11 kind of a way. We are being painted a narrative, as to where it's all going time will tell, but as usual someone else's body count is being used for geopolitical goals.

Posted by: Organic | Nov 30 2023 21:22 utc | 35

librul | Nov 30 2023 20:55 utc | 33


The smear of "antisemitism" is being used to intimidate, shout over, and silence
distress over genocide. The smear of "antisemitism" is being used to enable genocide.

Those that hurl that term now **and in the future** should be asked whether
they supported genocide.

Hurl back "genocidist"!

Posted by: Seer | Nov 30 2023 21:28 utc | 36

To Gruntz: There is some contradiction in Thierry Meyssan's recent articles on "voltairenet.org/en". In "Les incohérences du 7 octobre" ("The inconsistencies.."), which you quoted, he makes a big deal about a presumed collusion of Israel and the US with the Muslim Brotherhood each striving for a win-win. The MB has historical links with the Anglo-Americans, that is common knowledge. The Englishman Mark Curtis has extensively written about that in his 2010 book "Britain's collusion with radical Islam". However it was always a purely opportunistic link. The MB were often opposed to concrete British and American plans (e.g. in Jordan).
I do not see how a collusion with the US and Israel could now benefit the MB. Do they hope that the relative inaction of the sunni regimes will cause popular uprisings which would benefit the MB opposition? Exposing the sunni regimes as inadequate would ricochet and highlight the courage and steadfastness of the axis of resistance assisting the Palestinians. These are all shia. That cannot be the MB's intention to make promotion for the shia forces.
In an article of 14 november Meyssan is categorical: "L" effondrement d' Israel et des Etats Unis" ("The downfall.."). We would witness not a win-win at all, but the terminal phase of decline of an empire, something akin to the fall of the Soviet Union.
So what is it, Mister Meyssan? A win-win or a phase of terminal decline?

Posted by: Teraspol | Nov 30 2023 21:32 utc | 37

Yemeni Military Command Threatens ‘Israel’: We’ll Expand Attacks If War on Gaza is Resumed

https://english.almanar.com.lb/1991134

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 30 2023 21:54 utc | 38

Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2023 19:45 utc | 23

Thank you for sharing that very important post, bevin. This alone was an horrific crime.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 30 2023 22:04 utc | 39

Posted by: Teraspol | Nov 30 2023 21:32 utc | 37

While I agree, and of course, it would be quite unpopular in the Muslim World to directly support US and Israel, I am unclear how much that weighs on the thoughts of the various despots involved in their multi-decade dictatorships. What seems to be more of a threat to them is an "Arab Spring" instigated by the Usual Suspects, when they arent selling out their country to the highest bidder. This is no different than Trump, who spent his term plagued by the Russiagate or Ukrainegate, because he routinely said the unsayable (however lacking in sincerity he was). Although MB is not an Erdogan, just as we see Christian Zionists to be instrumental to the power of the US throne, it does not seem to be a stretch of the imagination to assume that same dynamic would exist with Muslim Rulers. Do the various nefarious Western power groups corrupt the ruler or the movement, I am not sure they care, as long as there is oil money and war profits to be made. Further, I understand Abbas is a billionaire, why then assume that these intelligence agencies would not be corrupting every other leader and power center in the Muslim World?

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 30 2023 22:11 utc | 40

" Another brilliant attack by Hamas, murdering folks at a bus stop. Let the excuses and justifications begin.
Posted by: Zargo | Nov 30 2023 19:48 utc | 25 "


Did you see the video where the Zionists forces shot an 8 year old kid in the back of the head recently ?

Posted by: Moonie | Nov 30 2023 22:16 utc | 41

Another brilliant attack by Hamas, murdering folks at a bus stop. Let the excuses and justifications begin.

Posted by: Zargo | Nov 30 2023 19:48 utc | 25

Good.

Legitimate resistance to occupation as far as I can see.

My only complaint is that they didn't 'murder' an entire stadium instead of just a bus stop.

If Hamas really want freedom for Palestinians they need to equalise the balance of terror with isreal.

Voiding the warranty on a few settlers here and there ain't going to cut it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 22:49 utc | 42

Hamas is not the primary target. The Palestinian people and their land are, and have always been, the primary target.

Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2023 20:50 utc | 31

Spot on. And should Palestine be successfully cleared, what next? Will the Zionists be satisfied? I suspect not

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Nov 30 2023 22:54 utc | 43

It should be apparent that most nations on this planet are just cowardly, kicking the can down the road, with the constant talk of a " two state solution ", willingly playing into the Zionists slow motion, incremental, destruction of the Palestinian people. The only solution to this injustice is a single, contiguous Palestinian nation with total control of its borders / air space and a sufficient, formidable military. Of course, almost no nation insists on this not Russia, not China, not the UN. Meaning they are either cowards or fully on board with the current eventual outcome.

Posted by: Moonie | Nov 30 2023 22:58 utc | 44

The death toll in the shooting attack in Jerusalem earlier today rises to four as a man seriously hurt during the attack dies of his wounds, according to Hebrew media reports.

The man, who isn’t immediately named, opened fire at the terrorists but was shot by a pair of soldiers who apparently mistook him for an assailant.

Man who fired at Jerusalem terrorists dies after being shot by troops who apparently misidentified him

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2023 23:00 utc | 45

The US answers to the City of London. Ergo, the City of London are executing this gambit.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 30 2023 20:58 utc | 34

The notion that the City rules OK is oft encountered. Got to say I don't see it. Eisenhower's threat to trash sterling in 1956 early showed where the financial clout lies. Perhaps I'm missing something

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Nov 30 2023 23:01 utc | 46

My only complaint is that they didn't 'murder' an entire stadium instead of just a bus stop.

If Hamas really want freedom for Palestinians they need to equalise the balance of terror with isreal.

Voiding the warranty on a few settlers here and there ain't going to cut it.Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 22:49 utc | 42

Remind me again, what do your Buddhists traditionally think about murdering a stadium filled with people, many of whom are innocent bystanders?
Is that what they are planning in Tibet? I hope so.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 22:49 utc | 42

Posted by: william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:11 utc | 47

CORRECTION!
My only complaint is that they didn't 'murder' an entire stadium instead of just a bus stop.

If Hamas really want freedom for Palestinians they need to equalise the balance of terror with isreal.

Voiding the warranty on a few settlers here and there ain't going to cut it.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 22:49 utc | 42

Remind me again, what do your Buddhists traditionally think about murdering a stadium filled with people, many of whom are innocent bystanders?

Is that what they are planning in Tibet? I hope so.

Posted by: william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:11 utc | 47

Posted by: william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:14 utc | 48

Remind me again, what do your Buddhists traditionally think about murdering a stadium filled with people, many of whom are innocent bystanders?

Is that what they are planning in Tibet? I hope so.

Posted by: william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:11 utc | 47

(Hehehe. Knew that would smoke the cockroaches out ...)

There are no innocent bystanders in the stadium scenario I envision.

In the stadium scenario it's all adult 'israelis'.

Why ask me about Tibet, I'm not a representative of the CPC???

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 23:21 utc | 49

Posted by: b | Nov 30 2023 15:54 utc | 1
«“Before Israel’s foundation, this movement campaigned for the Zionist project to incorporate the entire territory of the British mandate on both banks of the Jordan, including Transjordania, which Britain granted to the Hashemite dynasty in 1921, creating present-day Jordan.”»

Actually Jordan between 1948 and 1967 included the West Bank (Cisjordania) and Gaza, and after 1988 the government of Jordan stopped claiming those areas.

«“Later, having focused its ambition on mandatory Palestine [...] For Ben Gurion and his comrades, this was simply unfinished business: Israel occupied both territories in 1967 ”»

That is part of the story: the Likud officially is a "two state" movement, but the two states are Israel "from the river to the sea" for the jews, and Jordan "from the river to the desert" for the arabs. Indeed as the West Bank used to be part of Jordan the largest single group of the arab diaspora (over 3m) in in Jordan.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201415/cmhansrd/cm141201/halltext/141201h0001.htm
December 1st, 2014 «Andy McDonald (Middlesbrough) (Lab): My hon. Friend talks about Hamas’s charter, which refuses to recognise Israel, but the charter of Likud, the ruling party in the coalition, states: “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.” Is that not a fetter to progress on this issue?
Jeremy Corbyn: Absolutely. The Likud charter, which is not talked about too much by those who support the Government of Israel, says that in those very specific terms, and there has to be some recognition that the Prime Minister of Israel is a member of Likud and is in power because of Likud support.»

Note the crucial "west of the Jordan", which implies that "east of the Jordan" is fine.

The government of Jordan is not entirely happy about the prospect of seeing all arabs "west of the Jordan" being resettled in Jordan, also because the ruling Hussein branch of the Hashemites are supported by the northern Hejaz (north-east Arabia) beduins of southern Jordan, which they had ruled for several centuries when they were the kings of Hejaz (which included most of today's Jordan).

Posted by: Blissex | Nov 30 2023 23:30 utc | 50

Super pro-Zionist Breitbart's current lead article:

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/11/30/surrender-blinken-tells-israel-it-lacks-credit-to-defeat-hamas/

Surrender: Blinken Tells Israel It Lacks ‘Credit’ to Defeat Hamas

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told Israel that it lacks “credit” to conduct the kind of military campaign necessary to defeat Hamas, saying that the Biden administration would not tolerate large-scale bombing over months in southern Gaza.

Blinken’s remarks were leaked to the Israeli press. The Times of Israel quoted a transcript of his meeting with Israel’s war cabinet:

Blinken: You can’t operate in southern Gaza in the way you did in the north. There are two million Palestinians there. You need to evacuate fewer people from their homes, be more accurate in the attacks, not hit UN facilities, and ensure that there are enough protected areas [for civilians]. And if not? Then not to attack where there is a civilian population. What is your system of operation?

IDF Chief Herzi Halevi: We follow a number of principles — proportionality, distinction, and the laws of war. There were instances where we attacked on the basis of those principles, and instances where we decided not to attack, because we waited for a better opportunity.

Defense Minister Yoav Gallant: The entire Israeli society is united behind the goal of dismantling Hamas, even if it takes months.

Blinken: I don’t think you have the credit for that.

Blinken, normally a weak figure in public, issued his tough ultimatums in private, bringing the contradictions in U.S. policy to a head.

Earlier this week, White House national security spokesman John Kirby said: “We don’t support southern operations, unless or until the Israelis can show that they’ve accounted for all the internally displaced people of Gaza.” He added that Israel had the “right and responsibility to eliminate” Hamas, though he did not explain how these two priorities could be reconciled.

It was not clear what Blinken meant by “credit” — whether financial credit from the U.S., or political credibility on the world stage. Israel has been saying for weeks that it expected the fight to destroy Hamas to take months, and perhaps a year.
A shorter fight would require more drastic military measures, at odds with the careful approach Israel has taken in an effort to avoid civilian casualties where possible.

The administration faces pressure from staff and left-wing voters to shift away from Israel.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 30 2023 23:31 utc | 51

@Posted by: Zargo | Nov 30 2023 19:48 utc | 25

Could have been Hamas that did it. But this is Izrael we are talking about after all.
Zionists lie, lie, lie. So we should wait for more information to come out (good luck with that).

Also, a settler opened fire on the fleeing perps and was himself promptly shot by IDF. The IDF essentially
aided the escape. So that scenario spells either false-flag or Zionist slap-stick.

And it wouldn't necessarily have to be an IDF false-flag. All sorts of deranged psychopaths are Zionists.

And don't tell me that the Zionists say that Hamas said..."we did it".
BS!!

Posted by: librul | Nov 30 2023 23:37 utc | 52

In the stadium scenario it's all adult 'israelis'.

Why ask me about Tibet, I'm not a representative of the CPC???
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 23:21 utc | 49

The CPC is the equivalent of the Zionist Israelis and they have occupied the homeland of many Tibetan Buddhists, the religion you have publicly witnessed for.
When are you going to apply the same visceral hatred to those hated occupiers of your fellow Buddhists, or were you just being cute?
Buddhist or not, carry a torch also for the Tibetan Buddhists!

Posted by: william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:43 utc | 53

So US publicly (via a leak, reportedly) is telling the Izzies they can't bomb in South Gaza etc.

Maybe it's true.

But what if:

Hamas executes another deadly raid killing Israeli citizens?

Will Israel meekly agree not to go after the rest of Gaza? (Hardly)

Or will the US go along with it having earlier played good cop for a few days with the ceasefire and this leak?

Either way: the Hegemon-that-was is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

Let's say the Izzies succeed in pushing everyone out of Gaza. Then what? Will they be able to kiss and make up with the Arab States whilst still backed to the hilt by the American Empire?

I doubt it.

Most likely the RoW is holding their breath, steadily, patiently, without panic, for the American Empire to start crumpling from within, already underway but about to get more climactic in 2024. After all, their own elites are making it happen. Most of the seeming conflict is kayfabe. Maybe Israel delivered the US to RoW and their reward is the displacement of a few million Palestinians. People have been getting displaced steadily by the Empire for years now, what's a few million more? Or are you anti-semitic just when Jews do it?

Meanwhile, the national Christmas Tree at the White House fell over Tuesday afternoon. It's a sign.

(I did a Yi cast and got #23,3 > #52. Splitting Apart > Non-Action. Change comes from the level of the People and the States. Time will tell...)

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 30 2023 23:45 utc | 54

Very interesting opinion piece from David Hearst on why the Jordanian Palestinian population (60%) are at a point where they could open up a new front against the Zionist occupation:

https://youtu.be/qC7PjFduzfw?si=ojZQIVvSddSLMZGy

Together with inflamed tensions in the Jordanian Palestinian populations, he cites the fact that displacement of the Palestinian population would be a violation of clauses in the peace treaty Jordan has with 'israel'.

Of course, whether Jordan has any balls to punish such a violation is another question ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 23:46 utc | 55

«The text of Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahians speech [...] "The legitimate and legal resistance [...] to achieve the right to self-determination as well as defending human rights and human dignity [...] are an entitlement admitted in the UN Charter and international law. [...] Branding the legitimate struggle [...] for their self-determination right as terrorism"»

A struggle is only legitimate if it is done according to the customary laws of war under which terrorism is a crime.
A right cannot be pursued with criminal methods like terrorism.

If the HAMAS army bombs your neighbourhood you are not entitled to burn alive some gazans just "because they had it coming".

It is sad to read the foreign representative of a civilized country like Iran equivocate the criminal terrorism often used by Israel's army with the right to self-determination of israeli citizens.

Posted by: Blissex | Nov 30 2023 23:47 utc | 56

Very interesting opinion piece from David Hearst on why the Jordanian Palestinian population (60%) are at a point where they could open up a new front against the Zionist occupation:

...........................................................................
Of course, whether Jordan has any balls to punish such a violation is another question ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 23:46 utc | 55

60 % Palestinian? So there already is a majority Palestinian state?

I had no idea the two state solution had already been established-

Surely they have room for 2 million more? And there are remarkably no refugee camps in Jordan, at least we never hear of them.

Tell the wprld- are you considering joining the mercenary ranks to back up your convictions with action?

Posted by: william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:55 utc | 57

https://www.al-akhbar.com/Palestine/373691/%D9%85%D8%A6%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A2%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%81-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%82%D9%88%D9%86-%D8%B4%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7-%D9%86%D8%AD%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D8%A3%D9%88-%D9%86%D9%85%D9%88%D8%AA-%D9%87%D9%86

Al-Akhbar: Hundreds of thousands have stayed in the north. Interviews with a schoolteacher in her twenties and two older people, one of whom remembers her people leaving their village in 1948 and calls it a mistake. From what they have experienced, there is nothing more to fear.

Posted by: Badger | Nov 30 2023 23:55 utc | 58

Posted by: william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:43 utc | 53

>The CPC is the equivalent of the Zionist Israelis.

No they're not. Put down the crack pipe.

>and they have occupied the homeland of many Tibetan Buddhists,

And what has this got to do with Palestine?

Given your advocacy for Jewish Zionist occupation of Palestine, shouldn't you be in favour of Chinese occupation of Tibet?

>the religion you have publicly witnessed for.

Since when have I advocated as a Tibetan Buddhist?

>When are you going to apply the same visceral hatred to those hated occupiers of your fellow Buddhists,

When they do to others, in the name of Buddhism, what isreal just did to Gaza.

When they do this with the entire support of Empire behind them.

>Buddhist or not, carry a torch also for the Tibetan Buddhists!

That's funny, haven't you been advocating for Jewish ethnic cleansing of Palestine since the day you began trolling on this site?

Now you're all about misapplying the teachings of Buddhism to every random unrelated scenario you can think of, even throwing the CPC and Tibet in because you can't find any remotely related scenario in the buddhist world which serves as an analogue for the pure filthy horror the zionist jews have perpetrated in Palestine?

When I'm bored I amuse myself by poking your hypocrisy with a stick.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 0:00 utc | 59

Blissex | Nov 30 2023 23:30 utc | 50

I'm pretty certain that Gaza was never part of Jordan, I think it was Egyptian

Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 0:00 utc | 60

william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:43 utc | 53
This is ignorant nonsense. Tibet has been part of the Chinese state since the mid C18th.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 0:02 utc | 61

60 % Palestinian? So there already is a majority Palestinian state?

Posted by: william paul | Nov 30 2023 23:55 utc | 57

There was prior to the occupation of Palestine by European Zionists in 1948.

What's your point?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 0:05 utc | 62

Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 0:02 utc | 61

Facts are wasted on that moron, he hails from the same hindutva faction as antonym who worship their white Jewish masters alongside giant black phallic lingams...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 0:08 utc | 63

TheNorthernChef | Nov 30 2023 23:01 utc | 46
You're not missing anything, canuck is part of a growing number of commenters who repeat this nonsense. It is hard to say why- it was a popular, and reasonable criticism of the system in the 1890s when Bryan was running for the White House. I guess its another of those Old Time Religions that people find comforting.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 0:08 utc | 64

one of whom remembers her people leaving their village in 1948 and calls it a mistake. From what they have experienced, there is nothing more to fear.

Posted by: Badger | Nov 30 2023 23:55 utc | 58

"calls it a mistake"

Wow! So stories that the Palestinians fled in fear because they expected retribution for being nasty to their Jewish neighbors must be real!

Everyone! Take note of this valid first person testimony

Posted by: william paul | Dec 1 2023 0:09 utc | 65

Turk 152 | Nov 30 2023 22:11 utc | 40
A useful primer on the current state of play in the Arab world at The Cradle.

"...The longer Israel wages its Gaza genocide, the more difficult their inaction becomes to explain. While a quick ceasefire may alleviate this problem for Arab monarchies and other pro-west Arab states, Israel - and its backer the US - instead look set to intensify their war on the Strip. This doesn't even take into account the war Israel has been quietly waging for weeks on the occupied West Bank, an area ruled by a pro-US authority, which is hemorrhaging credibility and support by the day.

"The crucial solution is for Arab nations to overcome internal divisions and forge a unified front to collectively exert influence to halt the Gaza war. Just as key Arab OPEC states developed oversized clout when they defied Washington to cut oil production, they are likely to find that a hard, collective stand against Israel will only confirm their strength on the world stage."

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-arab-states-can-do-to-punish-israel

Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 0:13 utc | 66

Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 0:08 utc | 63
It's insulting to b and all of us here that we obviously get the dregs of the hasbara on this blog.

Not even hasbara in fact but a call centre.

I thought that there were fewer calls from "The Credit Card company" about the yacht I ordered from Amazon.

Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 0:19 utc | 67

Posted by: william paul | Dec 1 2023 0:09 utc | 65

I'm getting really concerned about the quality of your output these days.

Give up. Whatever they're paying you ain't worth it.

Get a regular call center job. The lies require less creativity. You can read them off an Excel template.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 0:25 utc | 68

A thought:

I've heard reports that earlier on in the Gaza war the pictures of 'beheaded' isreali children were being projected onto buildings at nighttime in solidarity with isreal.

Wouldn't it be a great idea to project the images of all the dead Gazan children in the same way?

It would probably cover an entire metropolis ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 0:30 utc | 69

Now you're all about misapplying the teachings of Buddhism to every random unrelated scenario you can think of, even throwing the CPC and Tibet in because you can't find any remotely related scenario in the buddhist world which serves as an analogue for the pure filthy horror the zionist jews have perpetrated in Palestine?

When I'm bored I amuse myself by poking your hypocrisy with a stick.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 0:00 utc | 59

Wow!
Thanks! Eliciting this kind of response means an extra generous monthly bonus from my troll masters.

Since you have (perhaps facetiously) claimed to be a Buddhist, perhaps you can provide a scriptural reference from the Great Gautama, which says the military occupation of Tibet by the CPC and the associated death must not be resisted, but the occupation of Palestine by the hated Zionists must be resisted, no matter how much death it takes?

Perhaps the CPC are your paymasters?

Posted by: william paul | Dec 1 2023 0:39 utc | 70

I think william paul must be twins. Just doesn't seem possible one person could be THAT ignorant.

btw, Hamas did indeed take full credit for the people killed at the bus stop in Al Quds by the 2 Palestinian resistance men (except for the one the zios eejits killed by mistake har har). The resistance means it when they say eye for an eye now - Hamas and Hezbollah, too. Not letting the zios kill that 9 year old boy and 15 year old without payback.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Dec 1 2023 0:46 utc | 71

A VERY different take on Gaza, riffing off a blog comment:

https://off-guardian.org/2023/11/21/is-gaza-genocide-being-used-to-promote-the-gr-multipolarity-as-a-solution/

Here's the original comment, then the article examines that sort of notion further looking into mainstream coverage of Gaza since that SMO started last month...

“I see more people now saying the point is division and distraction and I agree and it’s gratifying to see people waking to new realities. However I think it may be even one step more cynical and diabolical.

I believe from what I see that we may soon witness a “flip of the script”. I believe Israel may soon be dropped by everyone but the so-called “alt right” who will elect to go down with her ship.

I believe the majority of the media will fall behind the so-called “silent majority” of ordinary people and begin more and more to condemn Israel.

Eventually the politicians will “reluctantly” follow suit, Israel will be condemned in the UN and there will be promises of punishment, war crime trials etc.

I believe this may be presented to the masses as a “triumph for the common man”, and we will all be flattered that our protests and righteous anger have prevailed. But in reality this will all have been planned.

On the back of this I believe the controlled independent media will join with the “enlightened” mainstream in calls for action to be taken to prevent such abuses as those done by Israel ever happening again. This will be presented to us as a “new age of accountability and direct democracy”, which will be a lie.

I believe the masses will support this in the false belief a new age of hope is dawning.

In reality I believe this will be when Agenda 2030 begins to be seriously introduced and large central authority given to the UN or perhaps a newly created body at first in the pretence of holding nations accountable and only later will the truth become obvious to all, but by then too late.

I do not claim this will definitely happen, but I fear it may.”

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 1 2023 1:06 utc | 72

Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2023 19:45 utc | 23

Put under the microscope how the so called (buzzword) anti woke and free speech crowd are acting. You know Bevin, the Farage crowd on GB News, the right wing fake populists. Who claim they have the solutions to every voters problems.

These free speech libertarians are a bunch of second hand car dealers. All it took was Gaza for their masks to slip right off their faces. The reform party UK.

They want to reform the UK alright and finish what was already started in the 80's. Achieve "absolute" power over the state to achieve it. As Judge napolitano, when ironically judging freedom, wants Trump to use the army as a domestic police force when neccesary. When it suits what they want to do.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 1 2023 1:11 utc | 73

On the back of this I believe the controlled independent media will join with the “enlightened” mainstream in calls for action to be taken to prevent such abuses as those done by Israel ever happening again. This will be presented to us as a “new age of accountability and direct democracy”, which will be a lie.

I believe the masses will support this in the false belief a new age of hope is dawning.

In reality I believe this will be when Agenda

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 1 2023 1:06 utc | 72

This has already happened.

It's called the U.N.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 1:18 utc | 74

Larry Johnson (former CIA analyst): Itamar Ben-Gvir has threatened to "blow up" the Netanyaho government when Israel doesn't continue the bombing og Gaza.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Dec 1 2023 1:40 utc | 75

PBS Newshour interviewed a US pundit on Nov 30 on Musk's perceived anti-semitism. Then they played a clip of a recent live to air Musk TV interview in which Elon was asked if he's worried about the exodus of big advertisers from X/Twitter?

Musk says (approx) "No. If they think they can blackmail me into obedience with the Anti-semite slur, they can f**k themselves!"

Imo, when the Jews learn to pull rabbits out of hats with the ease and aplomb of Elon, they might also learn to make their dreams come true without slaughtering Palestinians.(?)

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 1 2023 3:22 utc | 76

Multiple testimonies collected from Palestinians displaced from northern Gaza reveal the horrors of the Israeli army's "safe passage" on Salah al-Din Street.

he stories I heard from people in multiple shelters are difficult to believe, even now after everything we’ve seen.
It became apparent from the testimonies I heard that the road was not designed to facilitate the flight of civilians but to systematically humiliate, degrade, and, in some cases, kill them. Salah al-Din Steet is littered with dozens of bodies — men, women, and children — in different states of decomposition.

the story of a woman carrying her child and walking along Salah al-Din. Her child would cry loudly as she carried him, a soldier, annoyed by the child’s screeching, “sniped at him” from a distance and shot him in the head as his mother carried him. The soldier then picked up his megaphone and ordered her to throw him by the side of the road and keep walking.

Full article contains other horror stories on the "humanitarian corridor'

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/they-shot-her-son-in-her-arms-and-forced-her-to-throw-his-body-testimonies-from-the-death-march-on-salah-al-din-street/

Posted by: ld | Dec 1 2023 3:24 utc | 77

Glen Greenwald review Musk discussion with Nettenyahu.
Very interesting. Greenwald has a skill.
https://youtu.be/7Eq-PMqI9Cc?si=tnViK8Bl0eHnltM_

Posted by: jared | Dec 1 2023 3:30 utc | 78

Jamal Dajani جمال
@JamalDajani
What Hasbaristas don’t like to hear—
Freed Israeli hostage Mia Shem:

" Kulo tamam (everything was alright) food (was) good…and everything was good…people (were) very good….very kind to me.”

https://twitter.com/JamalDajani/status/1730398487336861971

Posted by: Menz | Dec 1 2023 3:33 utc | 79

Imagine if the world had reacted with widespread condemnation and repercussions when the US bombed two cities (civilians) with nuclear bombs...

The world would be a different place.
But, it did not.

So now, it is what it is.

Posted by: jared | Dec 1 2023 3:34 utc | 80

Me too...

John P
@Johnpatrick500
I will never forget 💔

https://twitter.com/Johnpatrick500/status/1730321752687796563

Posted by: Menz | Dec 1 2023 3:36 utc | 81

Personally I'm looking forward to Joe bidets Xmas speech to the nation .hearing him recall how he was born poor in a manger and then went on to meet his wife over in a Baghdad brothel one balmy evening

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 1 2023 3:41 utc | 82

I was born a poor black child...

Posted by: jared | Dec 1 2023 3:47 utc | 83

the story of a woman carrying her child and walking along Salah al-Din. Her child would cry loudly as she carried him, a soldier, annoyed by the child’s screeching, “sniped at him” from a distance and shot him in the head as his mother carried him. The soldier then picked up his megaphone and ordered her to throw him by the side of the road and keep walking.

Posted by: ld | Dec 1 2023 3:24 utc | 77

Careful:

Augusto Pi, William Paul (the idiot with two first names as a full name) and the other hindutva degenerate "Antonym" jack off to stories like this on a regular basis.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 4:35 utc | 84

b. 1

Israel's expansionist plans are the Hegemonic harmonic in the USUKIS symphony orchestra. It is the Bronze Age concept of a race that is validated by God to rule the world.

Unfortunately , God's vision was not the Jews's vision which was to subjugate both its own citizens and everybody else to their own control and power. Every time they went too far in disobedience to Monotheism's peace and compassion message of Islam, God sent a pagan , military power to give them a taste of their own medicine.

The US ships in the East Mediterranean aren't there to attack Iran or Hezbullah because Israel can nuke them and probably has nuked them in the past in Beirut.
No, the US ships are to monitor khinzals hitting Israel from Russia undetected, and deter Russia by the knowledge that they would be detected and nuked in return.

The partnership of USUKIS enables Jews
and Christians the comfort of being in a gang while they bully smaller nations with their nuclear weapons, against their own prescribed Values of their own religions. A good example of this is the African Slave Trade where the sea distances between the three continents enabled them to conceal their immoral trade from their religiius-practicing populations. This is achieved now , in a smaller world, by government ownership of the media, and the temptations of Mammon and porn.

The Devil's plan is weak. The Internet has exposed all of their crimes, including the most heinous of all, the corruption by bribery of Islam, which was sent by God to intercept their poisonous
cult criminality. Now we have the beautiful religion of Islam subjugated by the political ambitions of Political Islam .
This in turn creates a Frankenstein monster for the USUKIS media machine to slander Islam.

Putin refused to allow the CIA to penetrate his country in Chechnya , and recently in Kazakhstan. This has protected both Islam and Orthodox Christianity from the USUKIS poison of Zionism.

The realities of modern warfare are that , like SMO in Ukraine, the job of fighting this Zionist, hegemonic poison will have to be done by hand fighting, missiles and drones. It will be done. Thy Will be done.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2023 5:09 utc | 85

The secular Jews who founded the zionists did not believe in God but He nonetheless promised them Palestine.
Llan pampas Jewish historian.

Posted by: Hankster | Dec 1 2023 5:13 utc | 86

"Wang Yi at UNSC: Xi's Five Musts a Must":

The Five Musts are now Three Demands and Three Musts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2023 5:37 utc | 87

How many have died of "Gaza outrage fatigue" till date? Could be more than the actual number of deaths in Gaza due to the IDF.
Seething with rage 24/7 is known to be bad for health, specially amongst old geezers...

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 1 2023 5:43 utc | 88

test

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 1 2023 5:44 utc | 89

How many have died of "Gaza outrage fatigue" till date? Could be more than the actual number died by IDF hands.

24/7 seething is known to be bad for the health of old geezers....

Posted by: Antonym | Dec 1 2023 5:46 utc | 90

Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 1 2023 1:06 utc | 72

These kinds of claims promote the 'illusion of control'. It is extremely important for the 'rules based order' to maintain a facade of control. When the TV presenters and newscasters are adept at maintaining a demenour to convey a sense of calm which conveys 'everything is under control' even if they are reporting on disturbing events. This could be seen right upto the Ukraine war. This mask has tended to slip occasionally now with the Gaza happenings when they display their own anxieties.

There are of course real conspiracies and underhand deals. They abound. But this narrative of 'everything under control' goes much beyond that, nudging us to believe that complex happenings that could not possibly be 'planned' are in fact 'planned' thanks to the immense power, intelligence, and foresight of the major actors. It undermines all human discourse of values, politics, resistance as mere 'epiphenomena', an appearance, which is governed completely by the intentions of certain class of people. These classes of people do indeed exist, but they are not in control, they are managing crises, one after another.

Yes indeed the mainstream media will change its colour for the time being. It must, in order to save its own credibility if nothing else. Yes a false sense of now things are all right may come in the near future. Nobody but fools believe that there has been a great change of heart. And that it is all going to be great now. But it does not denote that 'things were always under control'. It is the force of circumstance. Multipolar world is not round the corner. Changes at this scale occur over years and decades, though there are flashpoints which can be discerned.

Scorpion has an attraction for such narratives that I have noticed over the last couple of years that I have been in the bar. After many of his posts, he will offer this 'what if' scenario, where both sides of a conflict are actually complicit. I like his posts, but this element has always annoyed me. Many others with much less powers of discernment of course go whole hog.

Do not promote this narrative of 'everything is under control'. It is vital for certain classes of people to maintain it in order to offer comfort and assurance to those who still have faith in them and to create doubt among those who question.

Posted by: Jhaji | Dec 1 2023 5:52 utc | 91

Jared 80

Somebody was going to get it , otherwise no nuclear deterrent. But history hasn't ended yet. The tables yet may yet be
turned , specially if the Zionists keep advertising their religion with genocide.

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2023 6:05 utc | 92

I hear Israel is dropping bombs on Gaza again. Happy Hanukkah!

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Dec 1 2023 6:34 utc | 93

Hadi Nasrallah
@HadiNasrallah
The ceasefire in Gaza ended less than an hour ago and we are already seeing pictures of dead Palestinian children and women. It’s not about Hamas. Israel is annihilating entire generations, hospitals, schools and baby incubators. They are at war with a whole identity and culture.

https://twitter.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1730467896516587756

Posted by: Menz | Dec 1 2023 6:35 utc | 94

Over at Unz Review there is a outrageous anti -Semitic article detailing Israeli Ethno-centric ideology. And it’s mainstreaming over the last decades.

Posted by: Exile | Dec 1 2023 6:35 utc | 95

From Xinhuanet

JERUSALEM/GAZA, Dec. 1 (Xinhua) -- Israel has resumed fighting Hamas in the Gaza Strip on Friday morning, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said in a statement.

The IDF accused Hamas of violating the ceasefire agreement and firing at Israeli territory.

Rocket sirens were activated in two Israeli towns near Gaza border on Friday morning, the first time since Israel and Hamas reached humanitarian truce on Nov. 24.

The IDF later confirmed its air defense troops intercepted a rocket launched toward Israel. Following the attack, the IDF-affiliated Home Front Command tightened the guidelines for civilians in some areas of the country.

The humanitarian ceasefire deal reached between Israel and Hamas expired at 7:00 a.m. local time (0500 GMT) on Friday morning.

In Gaza, loud explosions were heard Friday morning.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 1 2023 6:38 utc | 96

Hankster 86

The political Muslims who founded the Muslim Brotherhood and other similar sects of Islam did not believe in God's instruction that spying on people's private lives is forbidden in Islam. and yet they nonetheless take permission from USUKIS to run a spy system that is integrated with USUKIS state surveillance .

Then they think they are still Muslim?

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2023 6:40 utc | 97

Is it surprising that the Muslim Brotherhood that controls every aspect of Hamas and is a confederate of USUKIS 'political running of the world , has brought about a crisis that enables Israel to attack Palestinians with impunity?

The outside of the can says piety, but the inside of the can is the Whited Sesepulchres of the Zionist Rabbis.
" They had the key to Paradise but they did not go in themselves, and they prevented everybody else from entering."

Posted by: Giyane | Dec 1 2023 6:52 utc | 98

The Five Musts are now Three Demands and Three Musts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Dec 1 2023 5:37 utc | 87

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It would be thrilling to see ships sailing under the Chinese flag participate in the flotilla to break the naval blockade of Gaze.

Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2023 6:55 utc | 99

@Zargo

The Hamas attack at the Jerusalem bus stop, which is of course in Occupied Palestine, was said to be in response to Israeli attacks in what is called the West Bank, a euphemism so Israel does not have to choke on saying Occupied Palestine.

Israel has released a hundred or so prisoners, women and children, and arrested and imprisoned 3000 others in the same time.

It has also killed and allowed Jewish settlers, given licence to kill, hundreds of Palestinians outside of the Gaza prison.

And a Jewish settler stabbed to death a heavily pregnant Palestinian woman in front of her child.

As well an Israeli sniper executed a nine year old boy who was running for safety.

And people wonder why the Palestinian Resistance attacked a bus stop in Occupied Palestine.

Posted by: rosross | Dec 1 2023 7:10 utc | 100

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