Jamal Dajani جمال
@JamalDajani
Every released Palestinian prisoner (women & children) talked about being abused in Israeli jails and during their transfer. Everyone of them thanked Hamas for their release. Not a single one thanked the PA or Mahmoud Abbas.
https://twitter.com/JamalDajani/status/1728132447538409944

Posted by: Menz | Nov 25 2023 0:21 utc | 203

Posted by: bevin | Nov 24 2023 23:42 utc | 203
What is the source of those quotes? I like them but a “google” search yields nothing.

Posted by: jr | Nov 25 2023 0:27 utc | 205

@ jr # 209
Here is where the interview of Chas Freeman took place. Interviewer is Pascal Lottaz of Neutrality Studies channel.
Nov 20, 2023
Interview part 1 of 3 with former US Ambassador Chas Freeman.
https://www.youtube.com/@neutralitystudies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcXWHOhugyM

Well, this is as bad as it gets. A Genocide in plain sight, for everyone to see, merciless and cold blooded and “the West” with all its human rights talk, with all its hubris is in full support—maybe give the Palestinians a coffee break before continue killing them, but that’s about the maximum the West is willing to concede to the victims.
Ambassador Chas Freeman is one of the view former US public officials willing to speak out against this travesty. In addition, he is a superb analyst of West Asian and World Affairs. In this interview, he analyses what the current tragedy in Palestine will mean for Geopolitics in the region and beyond.
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Posted by: suzan | Nov 25 2023 0:43 utc | 207

Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 25 2023 0:43 utc | 212–
IMO, if you’re allied with the Zionist Project, that makes you a Zionist. The last figure Crooke cited was 86% wanted fulfillment of the Zionist Project, and that might be higher or lower now. Dr, Hudson and I had an email exchange on the issue, “Dr. Hudson Email Chat–Palestine Solution”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 25 2023 0:57 utc | 209

re Karlof1’s #213
Crooke cited 83% of Israeli Jews, who are of varying religious dispositions, atheists included. Please remember to use qualifier.
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Why should people of Jewish ethic descent who reside in another country be viewed as Israelites by the Israeli state and/or by people elsewhere worldwide? What percent of global ethnic Jews choose this categorical lumping? I don’t know anyone who does but then i don’t know many elites so my personal survey is skewed.
This mis appellation, thinking that all ethnic Jews globally are or should be Israelis, which was apparently seeded by British elites in the 19th century both amongst Christians aka Christian Zionism, and in the early 20th century with the Sykes-Picot partition Agreement imperialist resource land grab in West Asia which then spatially birthed the Balfour Agreement decades before the Jewish Holocaust, was conceived and promulgated by elite British ruling-class anti-semites and an atheist Jew or two. or so i’ve read, launching the conditions we have today where imperialism runs amok, fueled by zionist identity mongers.

Posted by: suzan | Nov 25 2023 1:41 utc | 211

Lathe Biosas, I appreciate your reply and thank you for it, but I do not understand how you can know this:
“The inner part of the onion is all about unity and love.” – when the books that define what Judaism IS command the Jews to lie to all who are not Jewish and always deceive us. It is their own identification of who they are that makes us foolish to ever trust a thing they say – a foolishness that endangers our survival.
You say it’s not Judaism that is the problem, but separation and exceptionalism. But if two or more groups have equality and none can out-power the other then isn’t separation a rather contained ignorance? I say it’s different for exceptionalism. The placing of people into positions of superiority and inferiority is the recipe for all evils to consume humanity. Somebody thinking they are supreme matters not much in a sea of humans who have made it impossible to gain extreme wealth and power – but we are not there yet, obviously. We are still where people who dream they are supreme can ACT on that idea – and again, that idea is the very core of the Jews’ “holy books”.
You say “This exists in all major cultures throughout history.” And you gave me “A non-inclusive list that comes to mind:
– Πας μη Έλλην βάρβαρος (Pas Mi Ellin Varvaros – every non-Greek is a barbarian, originally used to denote language differences but soon became an exceptionalist ideal)
– The Hua-Yi distinction in China
– Mleccha in Hinduism
– The Aztec Chichimeca
– Deutschland über alles
– The American City upon a Hill”
I am ignorant about most of that list. Are those examples you gave really equivalents to what the Jews have – their very guide to life being absolute inferiorisation of all non-Jews, along with commands to ACT upon that belief?
And when you say “In exoteric Judaism, it indeed found its strongest expression, by formally denouncing all non-Jews as goyim and this became an established accepted fact by most of the populace: they were (in their eyes) God’s chosen people.” … I seriously hear that it IS a must-do for human survival to outlaw Judaism.
I love freedom and equality and justice. I am for letting people be who they are. So I am sad to say what I am saying and I don’t take it lightly. I take less than zero pleasure in thinking that we really have no choice but to rid this planet of Judaism because it IS a cancer.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Nov 25 2023 2:16 utc | 213

Re “Crooke has been presenting important new insights, ”
Yes, Crooke brought some very valuable insights as to the (then) political struggle within Israel: the right wing (Mizrahi Jews) showing its muscle. Since then it looks as though the right wing has succeeded in monopolizing the narrative and dragging the tepid into the genocidal right-wing camp.
Broad-brush putdowns of Crooke are a total waste of time.
I love Crooke.
I don’t always agree with him 100%, but 99% is a pretty good average.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 25 2023 2:30 utc | 215

Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2023 1:55 utc | 216–
Its’ here Peter. Here are the two main paragraphs:

The conflict in Gaza is raging on into its second month. China is gravely concerned that the conflict is causing enormous civilian casualties and a humanitarian disaster, and tends to expand and spill over. China believes that the following is urgent and imperative: First, the parties to the conflict must end hostilities and achieve a ceasefire immediately, stop all violence and attacks against civilians, release civilians held captive, and act to prevent loss of more lives and spare people from more miseries. Second, humanitarian corridors must be kept secure and unimpeded, and more humanitarian assistance should be provided to the population in Gaza. The collective punishment of people in Gaza in the form of forced transfer or water, electricity and fuel deprivation must stop. Third, the international community must act with practical measures to prevent the conflict from spilling over and endangering stability in the Middle East as a whole. China supports the resolution adopted at the emergency special session of the U.N. General Assembly on October 27. The U.N. Security Council under China’s presidency has adopted Resolution 2712. All the parties must act to deliver on these resolutions through concrete measures on the ground.
The root cause of the Palestinian-Israeli situation is the fact that the right of the Palestinian people to statehood, their right to existence, and their right of return have long been ignored. I have emphasized on many occasions that the only viable way to break the cycle of Palestinian-Israeli conflict lies in the two-state solution, in the restoration of the legitimate national rights of Palestine, and in the establishment of an independent State of Palestine. There can be no sustainable peace and security in the Middle East without a just solution to the question of Palestine. China calls for early convening of an international peace conference that is more authoritative to build international consensus for peace and work toward an early solution to the question of Palestine that is comprehensive, just and sustainable. [My Emphasis]

I highlighted four of Xi’s five “Musts”. The original Chinese might have a stronger meaning, but I don’t know. Must is a rather powerful word in this situation.
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suzan | Nov 25 2023 1:41 utc | 215–
The post I replied to had the proper geographical context, so I felt known was needed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 25 2023 3:02 utc | 217

I think Xi’s speech at BRICS meeting. Judging freedom played a short bit of video with subtitles. Xi spoke somewhat bluntly for China in saying something along the lines of using force to enforce the two state solution.
@ Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2023 1:55 utc | 216
Hi, now I saw that somewhere too but didn’t save it. and I cannot recall where.
I checked this Judge N. with mearsheimer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WbC-AR-QG0 see at 5.50 mins with XI subtitles, but it is the same text as Karl put up on his site. Nothing about using force in a UN style peace keeping type situation. I will keep an eye out.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 25 2023 3:11 utc | 219

I couldn’t care less either way, but I don’t think ‘ridding the world of Judaism’ is a civilized approach!
Let us say that the exceptionalist bent behind the ‘Chosen’ notion is a tad extreme. As such it’s the extremism that is the problem. Both individually and collectively as human beings we tend to oscillate between being too much or too little – on all sorts of levels in all sorts of ways.
The problem with the Zionist project is that it has been allowed to get out of hand by providing them with a situation without constraints. We all have people or powers above us, or rather we all need that, as well as having obligation to those below or whom we can help.
We do not inhabit self-existing, self-maintaining islands. We always have to work at things which oscillate between very good and very bad, both of our own creation and the fault of others.
So the Israel project is Judaism in an overly extreme manifestation. The external situation and good old fashioned persuasion needs to talk them down off the ledge somehow. They need to return to the human realm and get off their asura/jealous god/titan high horse.
It’s a bad mentality issue….

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 25 2023 3:29 utc | 221

I love freedom and equality and justice. I am for letting people be who they are. So I am sad to say what I am saying and I don’t take it lightly. I take less than zero pleasure in thinking that we really have no choice but to rid this planet of Judaism because it IS a cancer.
Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Nov 25 2023 2:16 utc | 217
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Are we at MoA now discussing Hitler like propositions in regard to Judaism? Really? Zionism is NOT Judaism. Surly, Zionism, like fascism, Nazim, and the KKK should be banned from planet earth, but Judaism is a religion: How do you ban a religion? It must die of its own contradictions as most religions have done throughout human history. There are far more dead religions that those that exist today.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 25 2023 3:47 utc | 223

I’d like to bring attention to the YouTuber “BadEmpanada’s” hour long analysis of the weaponisation of the term “anti-semitism”.
Weaponized Anti-Semitism Allegations: How Israel Plays the Victim, Inverts Reality & Stifles Dissent
Weaponized Anti-Semitism Allegations: How Israel Plays the Victim, Inverts Reality & Stifles Dissent
This is one of the most well reasoned, yet accessible and current analyses of the term and it’s use.
BadEmpanada’s take-no-prisoners, “call a spade a spade” style and sound application of logic with fact has always been attractive to me and very well displayed in this production.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 3:56 utc | 225

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 3:56 utc | 229
You can also turn it around, like ‘the deplorables’ did in 2016. I like the old quote:
‘if you are not anti-semitic you are not paying attention.’
It’s a weaponized BS term. One should be afraid of it.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 25 2023 4:04 utc | 227

Thanks Karl. I think that is what I am looking for. will read through it shortly.
Lavrov’s Dog. Thanks for the link. Thew judge generally asks the same questions of a number of people and I assume it will be the same as he put to Macgregor. Will be useful though.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 25 2023 4:08 utc | 229

Weaponized Anti-Semitism Allegations: How Israel Plays the Victim, Inverts Reality & Stifles Dissent
@ Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 3:56 utc | 229
I just finished reading an article which touched on the topic along the way:

“In the early 1970s, South African-born Abba Eban, whose eloquence as Israel’s UN representative and later Foreign Minister was legendary, devised a long-term strategy. Its goal was to prevent criticism of its country by accusing the critics of anti-Semitism.
His efforts continue to bear fruit: accusations of Israeli apartheid towards Palestinians and even boycotts of Israeli produce in supermarkets are officially banned in many Western countries as manifestations of anti-Semitism. Thus, Israel’s policy towards the Palestinians is outside the bounds of free discussion.”
In view of what is now happening in Gaza, Eban’s strategy is losing its credence, but Israel, apparently (or rather obviously) believes that it has no other choice but to stick to this logic.
https://en.interaffairs.ru/article/putin-in-the-labyrinth-how-moscow-can-avoid-losing-in-the-middle-east/

Very interesting informative article overall historically fills in a few blanks. cheers

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 25 2023 5:20 utc | 231

The Zimbabwean Mufti , Sheikh Ishmaeel Menk, aa shining light in Islamic commentary, once said that the tight control of the mosques in his country was a great blessing.
By this I think he meant that only when the eschatological rhetoric of hatred is forcibly contained by a very unsympathetic police force, can reaoned and enlightened religious and ethical so thought prevail.
Netanyahu’s hate speech must be policed by somebody to prevent it becoming fuel for more genocide. Trump’s white supremacy rhetoric has been curtailed by lawsuits , and Netanyahu urgently needs the same treatment.
The UN should prosecute him for genocidal hate speech and he should be prevented from visiting Britain.
@ susan
For exactly the same reason Alistair Crooke should be censured for incendiary speculation that high percentages of Israelis support genocide. Have they been informed about the Hannibal doctrine used on October 7 ? Have they been informed about IDF complicity in the knowledge in advance of the Hamas entry into Israel ?
Have they been informed about IDF lies about Hamas using Al Shifa Hospital ?
Of course popular opinion can be manipulated by lies. The BBC does it all the time.
It isn’t in Jewish Israelis’ interests to be wound up by a small group of racist politicians to support this genocide.
Imho the Judge is being disingenuous.
He should strongly challenge Crooke for not qualifying his statement by reminding his audience of Israel’s propaganda lies.
When a liar lies the liar is responsible for the consequences, not the average listener who expects the media not to lie. I switched off the BBC at the start of the Ukraine SMO. Any media outlet, including Judge N , that propagates bias by not challenging the speaker, gets banned.
You’re free to lap up the garbage if you think that helps solve the genocide.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 25 2023 5:24 utc | 233

That moniker originated in the field of pro-Palestinian protesters, not MoA.
You can sit down now.
Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 24 2023 23:26 utc | 201
Yeah none of them here.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 25 2023 8:05 utc | 235

It’s vital to not apply collective punishment and vengeance reprisals to all Israelis ( and by implication Jewish people worldwide) . There are plenty of Jewish people who are against the Likud madness. For example #NotinourName.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 25 2023 7:55 utc | 238
The only way to achieve this and justice at the same time is a One State solution.
Those who are willing to seek compromise with the Arabs will remain and integrate.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 8:41 utc | 237

If your a young jew and want to get on in the world you will know you have to say the ‘right things’ mix with the right pro Israel people… they have the contacts, funds and support for you.. or not.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 25 2023 9:07 utc | 239

https://t.me/presstv/80517

▶️Jim Kavanagh highlights that the captives weren’t a problem for the Israelis; they didn’t want them back but only sought to use them as an excuse for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2023 9:50 utc | 241

Everything in the world is interconnected through trade and business and migration.
The war in Ukraine began in early 2022.
For historical reasons going back over three centuries, there is a very large mixed Russian-German population in Germany. Put at from a million to a million and a half. There was a very large Russian population in the UK and Europe, put at well over half a million.
In 2022, these people were refused medical treatment on the grounds of their nationality or heritage.
They were sacked from their jobs, they were physically attacked, and shops and other businesses were attacked and destroyed by mobs incited by politicians and their media.
Russians were banned from sport, Olympics, UEFA, Wimbledon, even as individuals.
Russian cats and dogs were banned from pet shows. Russian trees and Russian mustard were banned. The works of Russian authors, poets and composers were banned.
The assets of the Russian state and the property of wealthy Russians were seized and confiscated. Legislation was passed and implemented to seize the property of ordinary Russians in the EU – cars, clothing, even things like soap and shampoo.
Russians were required to make public statements denouncing Russia and Putin – though it made no difference at all to their treatment if they did.
Ports and airports were closed to Russia. Russia was banned from the Eurovision song contest. Thousands of Sanctions were imposed banning everything that could be banned.
The response to the Gaza Genocide has been somewhat more muted. No sanctions, no cutting off of trade and travel, no confiscations of assets, no harassment and persecution of individuals.
Maybe the same approach should be adopted towards Israel, Israelis living abroad, and Jews in general? Shouldn’t they be identified and confronted and harassed, persecuted in the same way, sacked from their jobs, have their property confiscated, required to make public statements denouncing Israel and Netanyahu, prevented from travelling, banned from everything?
Where is the consistency?
Just asking.
If discrimination and persecution are the new normal for the Rules Based Order, why not?

Posted by: anon | Nov 25 2023 11:18 utc | 243

anon 247
Since you ask, Russia must be doing something very right in terms of challenging USUKIS aggression in the Middle East while Israel must be exceeding all limits of sanity and decency in assisting them.
I see no inconsistency. Two sides of exactly the same coin. Theresa May said Russia had [ defeated Nato in Syria and was therefore ] public enemy no. 1.
BoJo said Ukraine must fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
Call that 30 million people displaced in Syria and Ukraine through USUKIS terrorist proxies. 5 million about to be displaced in Palestine by Muslim Brotherhood Hamas. Plus an announcement from Netanyahu that from the Euphrates to the Nile will now surrender to USUKIS murderous colonisation . Possibly adding a further 75 million deaths before accomplishment of mission.
If I was Putin , I would be sending racing pigeons to Washington , London and Jerusalem and wait and see if they don’t come back again. No return means Kinzals have found their destinations.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 25 2023 12:04 utc | 245

Posted by: jr | Nov 25 2023 0:27 utc | 209
“What is the source of those quotes? I like them but a “google” search yields nothing.”
https://chasfreeman.net/

Posted by: notlurking | Nov 25 2023 12:27 utc | 247

Instead of all this never-ending talk about religion which serves no discernible purpose, I suggest – pause, and have a look at these photos:
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/a-gaza-walk-through-ceasefire-day-1-photos/

Posted by: JB | Nov 25 2023 13:10 utc | 249

IF YOU’LL AGREE WITH HIM OR NOT, OR WHATEVER INBETWEEN… PEPE ALWAYS GETS SOME SPOTS RIGHT !
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/gaza-a-pause-before-the-storm
Gaza: a pause before the storm
The US and its allies will continue backing Israel’s war on Gaza after a brief truce.
But as the case for ‘genocide’ grows stronger, the new multipolar powers will have to confront the old hegemons and their Rules-Based Chaos…
By Pepe Escobar

Posted by: MD | Nov 25 2023 13:40 utc | 251

fyi,
I can hardly believe that the BBC is doing journalism, for once; talking to an israel zionist mininster like this. lmap
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1728363969256251527
BBC presenter Lucy Hockings told Israeli Minister Nir Barkat that lawyers around the world want to put Israel in front of the International Criminal Court for war crimes.
Hockings roasted Barkat after he said Israel was considerate to civilians in Gaza

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 25 2023 13:45 utc | 253

“In the early 1970s, South African-born Abba Eban, whose eloquence as Israel’s UN representative and later Foreign Minister was legendary, devised a long-term strategy. Its goal was to prevent criticism of its country by accusing the critics of anti-Semitism.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 25 2023 5:20 utc | 235
Thank you, that’s a very interesting piece of information.
It reminds me of the time I spent in the ZAR during that time: I remember noting that the South African Jews, for all that is made of Jews who stood up against apartheid (Ronnie Kasrils most notably) the Jewish community by and large profited from and under the system and were part of it’s enforcing infrastructure (they were “whites” after all!).

How appropriate that a South African Jew would be among the most influential architects of Isreali apartheid.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 14:09 utc | 255

So I read today that “Biden” is trying to empty our weapons repositories in the Middle East so that the IDF will to be able to keep bombing Gaza:
JOE BIDEN MOVES TO LIFT NEARLY EVERY RESTRICTION ON ISRAEL’S ACCESS TO U.S. WEAPONS STOCKPILE
The level of foolish obsession here boggles my mind. Somewhat revealing about how the war is going too.
(Sorry for the all caps, their idea, not mine.)

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 25 2023 14:28 utc | 257

I had to laugh. NBC News reported on the hostage exchange. Every name of the 13 released was quickly announced but not a single name of the Palestinians. Israelis are humans, others not.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 25 2023 14:56 utc | 259

Arch Bungle @262: “The day will come when Religion becomes the most sophisticated technology known to man…”
I think they call it “Marketing”.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 25 2023 15:01 utc | 261

I think they call it “Marketing”.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 25 2023 15:01 utc | 265
I work with Marketing. They’re a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 15:12 utc | 263

Sounds just like the Massih ad dajjal’s program.
Its coming for sure and some of that stuff is happening.
Posted by: sal | Nov 25 2023 15:00 utc | 264
I think the Dajjal will bring his Spiritual Technology and the Mahdi will bring his and we shall see which prevails …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 15:14 utc | 265

Arch Bungle 262
Talking of software, Gos must have some pretty powerful 3D printing software to because to re-assemble on the Day of Judgement every single once living creature’s exact original DNA.
Speaking metaphorically of course, they can clone bits and bobs of us even now.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 25 2023 15:20 utc | 267

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 25 2023 15:20 utc | 271
The thought of God reviewing my browser history from backups chills me to the bone. The Akashic record if ever there was one …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 15:29 utc | 269

Victory will go to those with the superior religious technology.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 14:47 utc | 262
Sounds like Scientology. Religion as Television is very popular already in any case.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 25 2023 15:34 utc | 271

Thank you chola3:
“We have to find the ideologies which has at its core the belief that not only they are superior (common), not jus encourage their adherents to enforce it, but actually instructs/compells them to use violence to bring the whole society/region under such supremacy.
Such ideologies, which don’t want to change, should be outlawed.”
Education has a lot of work to do, and brutal honesty must prevail.
My thanks to all who responded to my thoughts. Your posts did not fall on deaf ears.
The notion of being “God’s chosen people” is “a tad extreme”? Sigh. Apologetics for madmen aids and abets their ability to genocide whom they will. Sigh.
Ed, the Hitler reference was 100% unfair/innaccurate. I made it clear we are absolutely not discussing a mass murder Hitlerian final solution.
I’m fighting the flu. No more energy for this. But thanks again to the board for all you all do.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Nov 25 2023 16:44 utc | 273

Did they mention the names of the 12 Thais?
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2023 16:16 utc | 276
You should know by now they don’t care about brown people.
/s

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 25 2023 17:44 utc | 275

Did they mention the names of the 12 Thais?
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 25 2023 16:16 utc | 276
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Better if they didn’t. Can you imagine how badly they’d mangle the pronunciation?

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 25 2023 19:11 utc | 277

Giyane@273….a black fungus that infects wheat/rye grains making the flour unstable for consumption. It is the base ingredient for Hoffman’s LSD. Consuming ergot infected foods may cause and or have various hallucinatory effects on the human brain not limited to “hearing voices” or “seeing things”.
Cheers M
Many recordings throughout history of mass hallucinations culminating in witch hunts, stake burnings and other macabre killings.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 25 2023 20:44 utc | 279

“On ‘Sub-Imperial Power’ (by Arnaud Bertrand)”
“Sub-Imperial” = vassal, strong only through connection with the empire.

Posted by: lester | Nov 25 2023 21:47 utc | 281

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 25 2023 23:18 utc | 286
You are trying the whataboutism here.
Hindutva or Buddhistva or Druidva etc are not religions. Do you know the thuggees in india? easily banned.
The problem is those religions and ideologies which explicitly instructs the followers to commit violence.
e.g A wahabi Muslim who do not strive to impose sharia is going against instructions. A jew who considers others humans with soul also goes against instructions.
White supremacists are not a recognized religion. There is a difference between a father telling his son “we whites are the greatest” and organised regions classes with “holy” scriptures instructing children about genociding and enslaving people.
Every son thinks his mother is the best. every person thinks his race is the best. The point here is organised intruction to commit destruction and mayhem.

Posted by: chola3 | Nov 26 2023 1:20 utc | 283

fyi
meanwhile, back at the ranch…..
“western values” as practiced by the zionist occupation state
will Amnesty and Human rights watch et. al. be investigating/interviewing all these released Palestinian women and children about their imprisonment/experiences?
https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1728596253666136549
BREAKING: CHILD HOSTAGE YASER ZAAMIYEH FREED AND SPEAKS OUT
Zaamiyeh was jailed at 16 and said;
The prison administration was horrible.
They treated us violently. They’ve beaten up a lot of people, some of them died in their own [Israeli guards’] hands.
Some people’s heads were split open in our section of the prison, little children – 10 years old, 12 years old – are being treated with extreme violence.”
He said that they are fed dry rice, and are kept in freezing temperatures that prevent them from being able to sleep for more than a few hours a day

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 26 2023 8:29 utc | 285

Lathe Biosas gave a list which is silly. Any belief or ideology is based on the idea they found the best way.
We have to find the ideologies which has at its core the belief that not only they are superior (common), not jus encourage their adherents to enforce it, but actually instructs/compells them to use violence to bring the whole society/region under such supremacy.
Such ideologies, which don’t want to change, should be outlawed.
Posted by: chola3 | Nov 25 2023 3:18 utc | 224
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It is also an ideology to oppose other people’s ideologies. One is an ideologue who wants to impose their ideology on others by outlawing a system of ideas which they oppose, because ideologies are simply systems of ideas that one group supports and consider it to be the best or the correct view of reality, or they oppose another group’s system if ideas that they consider to be a false or dangerous ideology.
Not everyone who has an opinion about politics or religion is an ideologue, they simply have an opinion, unless the ideas are systemized for others to accept or to be rejected. Rejecting a false or dangerous ideology is not a bad thing, but outlawing ideologies will generally lead to violence and therefore may also be dangerous.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 26 2023 18:26 utc | 287