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November 19, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-278
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Interview with fmr ambassador Paul Craig Jones Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 1:31 utc | 101 Saul, #88 Posted by: Simon Warriner | Nov 20 2023 1:37 utc | 102 Posted by: Inkan1969 | Nov 19 2023 17:21 utc | 28 Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 1:40 utc | 103 https://twitter.com/moschinodorito/status/1726224632003674194?t=Jmxw39Rfm6OoTM3LmoTrlw&s=19 Posted by: Hankster | Nov 20 2023 1:45 utc | 104 Message to the Israelis – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBumTNZvVvk
But listen to the whole thing he covers most critically important ideas and factual truths imo. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 1:47 utc | 105 No Israelis are aboard. Posted by: Bones | Nov 20 2023 1:50 utc | 106 Some historical refs context worth being aware of, which relates to “Message to the Israeli people” content. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 1:52 utc | 107 re: I | Nov 19 2023 16:06 utc | 20 Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 20 2023 1:55 utc | 108 As of Nov. 5, there have been 46,000 civilians killed, wounded, and missing from Israeli bombing in Gaza. This total is 5 days old; the total now is closer to 50,000, with the majority of victims being women and children. Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 20 2023 1:59 utc | 109 Giyane | Nov 20 2023 0:54 utc | 97 Posted by: Saul Goode | Nov 20 2023 2:03 utc | 110 I’m afraid the Ten Commandments are only supposed to tell Judaists how to treat other Judaists, not Gentiles. Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 2:04 utc | 111 As of Nov. 5, there have been 46,000 civilians killed, wounded, and missing from Israeli bombing in Gaza. This total is 5 days old; the total now is closer to 50,000, with the majority of victims being women and children. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 2:15 utc | 112 “Everyone in the universe is an anti semitic Holocaust denier out to get meeeeeeeeeee.” Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 20 2023 2:16 utc | 113 Inkanazi1969 repeats his zionazi masters’ claim that the ship captured by Ansarullah isn’t owned by them. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 20 2023 2:19 utc | 114 Wikipedia says: Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 20 2023 2:24 utc | 115 42 – Che Guevara once said that “moderates” were people who were either timid or were contemplating some kind of treachery. Perhaps he was an “extremist” but his definition has often proved to be correct. Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 2:26 utc | 116 Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 20 2023 0:45 utc | 96 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 2:27 utc | 117 A supporter of genocide is lecturing people about the Bible…Jeesh! Posted by: malenkov | Nov 20 2023 2:34 utc | 118 “Everyone in the universe is an anti semitic Holocaust denier out to get meeeeeeeeeee.” Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 2:35 utc | 119 Watch Israeli children sing “We will annihilate everyone” in Gaza Posted by: Saul Goode | Nov 20 2023 2:38 utc | 120 Not sure if this link is allowed . Posted by: Wd | Nov 20 2023 3:00 utc | 121 “Everyone in the universe is an anti semitic Holocaust denier out to get meeeeeeeeeee.” Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 3:21 utc | 122 Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 2:26 utc | 116 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 3:24 utc | 123 The pictures show that Hamas was taking care of its hostages that it took on that day. Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 3:25 utc | 124 120 “We will annihilate everyone.” Posted by: anon | Nov 20 2023 3:29 utc | 125 Charming people, these Chosen Folk. Posted by: malenkov | Nov 20 2023 3:31 utc | 126 Why not? The Bible is a celebration of genocides. Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 3:38 utc | 127 I used to support Tulsi Gabbard since years ago now, thought she’d make a good trustworthy president even, and then one day she turned into a crazed psychopathic warmongering liar. Or was she always like that? I don’t know … here she is recently on Fox:
wtf? Is this also what Modi of India also believes?
No doubt obvious and unsurprising, but to me still its nice to hear these things because it wasn’t always like this in the past. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 4:02 utc | 128 The same can be said for the few Hamas grab-bags (with firearms and uniforms) allegedly found at the Al Sherif Hospital. If a Hamas resistance fighter is seriously wounded, where would he be taken? To the fucking hospital of course. And what is the hospital staff supposed to do with a Hamas Resistance fighter’s grab-bag, weapons, and uniforms, if the Hamas Resistance fighter dies, or is too seriously wounded to return to the conflict. They would toss it wherever. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 4:13 utc | 129 Re: Red Sea Blockade Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 4:23 utc | 130 As Hamas Kills Israeli Troops, IDF Releases Audio Of Soldier’s Last Phone Call To Family From Gaza Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 4:25 utc | 131 Anyone noticing that there are only swarthy types being sent by the IDF into Gaza is a anti-Semite ! Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 4:49 utc | 132 The New York Times this morning: still now evidence. The proof should have been provided in advance, not a few days after the hospital has been raided and destroyed, even in the case such evidence existed. It is surreal to hear some jerks here quote the Bible in defense of what Israel has done. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 20 2023 6:47 utc | 133 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 4:02 utc | 128 Posted by: NotYourBob | Nov 20 2023 7:15 utc | 134 Saul Goode 110 Posted by: Giyane | Nov 20 2023 7:34 utc | 135 Dr. Mads Mikkelsen again reiterates the criminal liability of the IDF and their lies, with some numerical facts the liars can’t fudge: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 7:39 utc | 136 Voting doesn’t matter anymore. Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 7:39 utc | 137 France has issued an international arrest warrant for Syrian President Bashar al Assad over the alleged use of banned chemical weapons against civilians. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 7:45 utc | 138 Sacha Baron Cohen should be sued for cultural appropriation. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 20 2023 7:57 utc | 139 More abuses at the hospital /terrorist snake nest. Posted by: Hankster | Nov 20 2023 8:34 utc | 140 Max Blumenthal, a Jewish man of integrity and quality. I respect, admire and like him for having the balls to speak truth to power. I wish more Jews would have the integrity to speak out against the abhorrent atrocities ongoing against the Palestinian people. Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 20 2023 8:36 utc | 141 Lavrov’s Dog 128 Posted by: anon | Nov 20 2023 8:48 utc | 142 The Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor expresses shock over the Israeli army’s decision to carry out executions against wounded Palestinians during the forced evacuation of the Shifa Medical Complex in Gaza City and to use its administration as human lessons. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 8:52 utc | 143 Posted by: Seer | Nov 19 2023 18:40 utc | 44 Posted by: Norsk | Nov 20 2023 9:08 utc | 144 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 7:39 utc | 136 Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 20 2023 9:16 utc | 145 Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 20 2023 9:16 utc | 145 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 9:32 utc | 146 Another day another hospital. Posted by: pq | Nov 20 2023 9:35 utc | 147 109 Posted by: helmut | Nov 20 2023 9:42 utc | 148 Pq, Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 10:01 utc | 149 @Librul, yes I remember you had posted the letter about the world taking in Palestinians. Didn’t post the JP link because it was too vomit inducing but they are still stuck on it. Posted by: pq | Nov 20 2023 10:07 utc | 150 Glory to the Fremen! Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 10:14 utc | 151 Re the photo here claimed to be the Israeli ship captured by the Houtis linked in a couple of posts above. Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 10:30 utc | 152 The smell or rotten butt on Tyler’s nose comes straight through the pages. So got “banned” and all the better for it. What a bunch of suckbutts. Say what you wish about HAMAS fighters, so they’re all Mossad Agents if you like, but one thing you can’t say is these men are cowards: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 10:42 utc | 154 Horrendous war crime at the Indonesian Hospital in Gaza Posted by: PJB | Nov 20 2023 10:44 utc | 155 From the depths of my fading memory this looks like a photo of an earlier Houti capture a few years ago, but I don’t have the skills to do a deep photo search. Anyone here who does? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 11:10 utc | 156 I have been pondering the entire Israel question for a long time. When looked at in the context of the wars since its inception and combined with the statements made in 1982 (restated again last week) about the goals of Zionism it becomes increasingly apparent Israel is a big problem for everyone. Add in that it has a history of acting outside international law, actually in fact disobeying them to include UN NSC mandates it gets increasingly difficult to try and side with them. Of the wars Israel has participated in they provoked 7 of them. They acted in partnership with South Africa to develop the nuclear bomb which SA subsequently abandoned when the Botha apartheid government was overthrown. However, little commented on was the goal of Israel to develop a genetic bio-weapon designed to kill Palestinians or Negros in the case of SA. Obviously, that has never been achieved otherwise we would see massive deaths of Palestinians from some “new” disease. It is problematic as Ashkenazi Jews and Palestinians share the same genetic code and are indistinguishable (not so with Sephardic Jews). It is also highly likely that Israel has prohibited chemical weapons. So as regards defiance of prohibited weapons they likely have all of them and are non-compliant with international law. Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 20 2023 11:11 utc | 157 Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 10:42 utc | 153 Posted by: john | Nov 20 2023 11:25 utc | 158 No reaction from the international community on hospital attack Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 11:28 utc | 159 Israel, a torahnic extremism. Posted by: Timur | Nov 20 2023 11:43 utc | 160 No reaction from the international community on hospital attack Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 11:53 utc | 161 JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 10:30 utc | 151 Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 20 2023 11:54 utc | 162 Given this is where we are at and the it wise for the entire Palestinian nation to leave Israel temporarily, then all the nations in the region attack and kill the mad dogs running the country then eliminate Israel as a nation. Posted by: Pq | Nov 20 2023 11:58 utc | 163 JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 10:30 utc | 151 All you need to know about the lunatic who will be the next president of Argentina:
Schneerson was a leader of the Chabad movement. The members of this movement are ardent Zionists:
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 20 2023 12:19 utc | 165 It is a funny thing, when I raise this issue and offer chapter and verse, the theist here at MoA do not respond to the question, but instead attack me for my “ignorance” about religion. Then they say something like how great, merciful, and powerful God is. Posted by: sal | Nov 20 2023 12:24 utc | 166 https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/watch-israeli-children-sing-we-will-annihilate-everyone-gaza Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 20 2023 12:37 utc | 167 Poor Gilad Atzmon. He was attacked relentlessly but was right of course. Any “chosenite” saying that it is only Zionism, or that it is just like Christian or Islamic religious extremism is of course lying, there is a much deeper problem with Jewish exceptionalism, call it supremacism or as Gilad does “Jewishness”. Whatever. Anyone telling you otherwise is either self-censoring or lying for the special, transnational, trans-ideological, interclass tribe. Gilad Atzmon (former Israeli, ex-Jew) explains what “Jewishness” is, and why it is problematic. https://twitter.com/lucas_gage_/status/1726091532455850236?s=52&t=5VRKobISxhFQrmfA0nltnw Posted by: Wandering Wonder | Nov 20 2023 13:49 utc | 168 Not sure about the picture’s but all mainstream news stations, pro-zionist or anti are reporting it as the Galaxy leader. France24 clearly names the ship and it’s last tracked position in the Red Sea. France24 also links the ship to Abraham Ungar via a car-shipping firm. Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 14:16 utc | 169 In response to sal@165, Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 20 2023 14:17 utc | 170 Posted by: Wandering Wonder | Nov 20 2023 13:49 utc | 167 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 20 2023 14:24 utc | 171 Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 20 2023 14:17 utc | 169 Posted by: sal | Nov 20 2023 14:28 utc | 172 @Saul Goode | Nov 20 2023 2:03 utc | 110 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 20 2023 14:30 utc | 173 Arch Bungle 160 Posted by: Giyane | Nov 20 2023 14:50 utc | 174 In response to sal@171, Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 20 2023 14:50 utc | 175 Skiffer 174 Posted by: Giyane | Nov 20 2023 14:54 utc | 176
So Borrell is “a little pro-Palestinian”. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 20 2023 15:19 utc | 177 Posted by: Giyane | Nov 20 2023 14:50 utc | 173 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 15:23 utc | 178 [T]hey say something like how great, merciful, and powerful God is. Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 20 2023 15:37 utc | 179 Attention, this 2017 report by Abby Martin is vomit-inducing. Inside occupiers of Palestine’s brainwashing. Absolutely insane level of arrogance, religious-racial supremacism, psychopathy. Interesting to note how they work hard to maintain, a la Hollywood a thin, glossy appearance of normalcy, and the usual victimhood crocodile tears. This globalized tribal insanity is mindboggling Good news: Elon Musk may be able to move all of these neanderthals (and him first) to Mars: a land without people for a people without land is a basis of their indoctrination no? so ¡ Salgan de aquí! As for their second big lie, totally anti-historical of course, about being primal occupants and kicked-out (and they know they lie) well on Mars they will be the true primal and last occupant, excellent for very special people. One-way ticket of course, so that they can green the orange desert and not be bothered by the 99% of humanity, and vice versa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFoxL3sOAio Posted by: Repugnado | Nov 20 2023 15:57 utc | 180 It is a funny thing, when I raise this issue and offer chapter and verse, the theist here at MoA do not respond to the question, but instead attack me for my “ignorance” about religion. Then they say something like how great, merciful, and powerful God is. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 20 2023 15:59 utc | 181 Attention, this 2017 report by Abby Martin is vomit-inducing. Inside occupiers of Palestine’s brainwashing. Absolutely insane level of arrogance, religious-racial supremacism, psychopathy. Interesting to note how they work hard to maintain, a la Hollywood a thin, glossy appearance of normalcy, and the usual victimhood crocodile tears. This globalized tribal insanity is mindboggling Good news: Elon Musk may be able to move all of these neanderthals (and him first) to Mars: a land without people for a people without land is a basis of their indoctrination no? so ¡ Salgan de aquí! As for their second big lie, totally anti-historical of course, about being primal occupants and kicked-out (and they know they lie) well on Mars they will be the true primal and last occupant, excellent for very special people. One-way ticket of course, so that they can green the orange desert and not be bothered by the 99% of humanity, and vice versa. Everyday Israelis Express Support for Genocide to Abby Martin on Empire Files. Search on the internet. Even on Youtube. Posted by: Repugnado | Nov 20 2023 15:59 utc | 182 40 days have passed. Just what is Israel doing to clear the Amalek? Posted by: chola3 | Nov 20 2023 16:11 utc | 183 I don’t understand. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:13 utc | 184 fyi Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 20 2023 16:18 utc | 185 In 1967 six nations attacked ‘Israel’ and were defeated by the mighty IDF in six days. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:19 utc | 186 Unlike Amalek, these goyim are proving too tough for God’s “chosen people”. Posted by: chola3 | Nov 20 2023 16:24 utc | 187 Lebanese TV Reports: Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 16:25 utc | 188 Question: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:28 utc | 189 Alastair Crooke at Judging Freedom with Judge Napolitano today at YouTube. Israel’s moral justifications. Posted by: Pundita | Nov 20 2023 16:29 utc | 190 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:28 utc | 190 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:30 utc | 191 40 days have passed. Just what is Israel doing to clear the Amalek? Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 20 2023 16:42 utc | 192 @192 Posted by: paddy | Nov 20 2023 16:45 utc | 193 @187 Posted by: paddy | Nov 20 2023 16:50 utc | 194 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:30 utc | 192 Posted by: chola3 | Nov 20 2023 16:50 utc | 195 Chola3: Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 20 2023 16:50 utc | 196 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:28 utc | 190 Posted by: sal | Nov 20 2023 16:58 utc | 197 Israel is committing genocide while the vast majority of the “leaders” of the world only talk (and lie). The power to stop this exists but is not being used. Keep doing whatever you can, maybe also try what you think you can’t. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 17:04 utc | 198 Palestinian Representative, Nada Abu Tarbush, Demolishes Israeli Lies at UN Posted by: librul | Nov 20 2023 17:13 utc | 199 @Posted by: librul | Nov 20 2023 17:13 utc | 200 Posted by: librul | Nov 20 2023 17:15 utc | 200 |
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