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November 19, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-278

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Interview with fmr ambassador Paul Craig Jones
Posted by: I | Nov 19 2023 16:06 utc | 20
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You mean Paul Craig Roberts, don’t you?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 1:31 utc | 101

Saul, #88
Absolutely correct. I would go further and point out that you cannot refuse to condemn Israel outright for bombing children and claim to be a Christian. The two positions are wholly opposite each other.

Posted by: Simon Warriner | Nov 20 2023 1:37 utc | 102

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Nov 19 2023 17:21 utc | 28
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But Inkan, that is Reuters, you might as well reference an article from The Jerusalem Post. By the way welcome back, enjoy your trolling.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 1:40 utc | 103

https://twitter.com/moschinodorito/status/1726224632003674194?t=Jmxw39Rfm6OoTM3LmoTrlw&s=19
No wonder greenblat hates tik tok. Even kids parody command centre under hospital

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 20 2023 1:45 utc | 104

Message to the Israelis – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBumTNZvVvk
@ Seer | Nov 19 223 18:40 utc | 44
Thanks for that video Message to the Israeli people – Cutting yourself off from the USA/West, integrating with the Arab region and BRICS, and cutting off the radical Zionist Diaspora and ending Dual citizenship along with shifting to a secular One State solution of all poeples of Palestine is their one and only answer for peace.
Yes that is really excellent – best I have heard for a very very long time. I don’t know who he is, but seems to Muslim. It’s only 14 mins dated 14th OCT – He is speaking to probably the greater majority of Israeli Jews who I have long given up on myself. It’s great he is still trying to reach their ears.
While I love what he says and can agree relate to where he is coming from I still doubt there is anyone up to hearing it, let alone collectively together up to acting on it.
His closing comments go:

……. so my message to uh
Israelis would be stop being led by the
nose by anti-Semites and actually make
peace with the Semites with the Arabs
with the Muslims and get yourselves free
once and for all from the United States
from Europe and from the Zionist
anti-Semitic manipulation. Because it’s
going to be the death of your country
it’s going to be the death of your
society and like I said it’s going to be
the death of your souls. Because in order
for you to do what the United States
wants you to do you have to do things
that are against your belief system. You
have to do things that are against your
morality. You have to do things that are
against your own sense of humanity and
it’s going to destroy your reputation
and it is destroying your reputation all
across the world and more importantly
across the Global South which is where
the future is. So you need to stop being
manipulated by the West you need to stop
being manipulated by the United States
and stop being manipulated by the people
who are taking money from the United
States and lining their pockets with it.
They’re sacrificing your children
They’re sacrificing your sons and
daughters, They’re sacrificing your
quality of life and they’re sacrificing
your future just to line their pockets.
Everybody knows that Netanyahu is doing
nothing now but trying to save his
political career, no matter how many
lives have to be lost Palestinian lives
or Israeli lives. He doesn’t care and
neither does America. So you need to wake
up up and start using that Great Brain
uh that we all keep hearing about

But listen to the whole thing he covers most critically important ideas and factual truths imo.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 1:47 utc | 105

No Israelis are aboard.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 19 2023 14:26 utc | 6
No surprise there. They rarely venture where there is danger. They prefer to watch US kids defend Israel while they watch it on telly in their aircon condos in Tel Aviv like they have done since 2001.

Posted by: Bones | Nov 20 2023 1:50 utc | 106

Some historical refs context worth being aware of, which relates to “Message to the Israeli people” content.
It’s Time To Admit That Arthur Balfour Was A White Supremacist — And An Anti-Semite Too
“We have to face the facts,” Lord Balfour said. “Men are not born equal, the white and black races are not born with equal capacities: they are born with different capacities which education cannot and will not change.”
A century ago, 67 words changed the course of history in the Middle East. In a statement that could fit into two tweets, Arthur Balfour, then the British Foreign Secretary, announced that the British government would support establishing a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine.
One hundred years later, the profound legacy of what became known as the Balfour Declaration continues to define the dynamic between Israelis and Palestinians. And though Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is in London this week commemorating the centennial with Theresa May, it’s worth understanding why the Declaration is really nothing worth celebrating.
see https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/232119
or https://forward.com/opinion/386480/its-time-to-admit-that-arthur-balfour-was-a-white-supremacist-and-an-anti-s/
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2018/11/2/more-than-a-century-on-the-balfour-declaration-explained
https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/09/08/how-anti-semitism-helped-create-israel-2/
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/zionism-anti-semitism-and-balfour-declaration/

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 1:52 utc | 107

re: I | Nov 19 2023 16:06 utc | 20
Paul Craig Roberts was former Asst. Sec. of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 20 2023 1:55 utc | 108

As of Nov. 5, there have been 46,000 civilians killed, wounded, and missing from Israeli bombing in Gaza. This total is 5 days old; the total now is closer to 50,000, with the majority of victims being women and children.
The 11,451 Palestinians killed by the Israelis in Gaza now far outnumber the 7000 jews killed by the Nazis in the Warsaw ghetto during World War 2.

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 20 2023 1:59 utc | 109

Giyane | Nov 20 2023 0:54 utc | 97
Today’s “religions” have had 2,000+ years to resolve their differences and bring peace to the world and look where they’ve taken us.
“The longer I live, the more convinced am I that this planet is used by other planets as a lunatic asylum.” ~ George Bernard Shaw

Posted by: Saul Goode | Nov 20 2023 2:03 utc | 110

I’m afraid the Ten Commandments are only supposed to tell Judaists how to treat other Judaists, not Gentiles.
Posted by: Observer | Nov 19 2023 18:29 utc | 40
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Exactly! Just consider how “God” in the Old Testament instructed Israelites to treat Israeli slaves verses non-Israeli slaves. What? God approved of slavery. Go look it up yourselves folks.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 2:04 utc | 111

As of Nov. 5, there have been 46,000 civilians killed, wounded, and missing from Israeli bombing in Gaza. This total is 5 days old; the total now is closer to 50,000, with the majority of victims being women and children.
Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 20 2023 1:59 utc | 109
No wonder the trolls have gone deafeningly silent, or on YouTube completely incoherent and nonsensical.
No arguments, justifications, sophistries are going to sound rational to any normal person when these numbers finally see the mainstream.
The Israeli spokesorganisms, already silly in past times now sound like raving lunatics on television …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 2:15 utc | 112

“Everyone in the universe is an anti semitic Holocaust denier out to get meeeeeeeeeee.”
https://x.com/leekern13/status/1726339731938754739?s=20

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 20 2023 2:16 utc | 113

Inkanazi1969 repeats his zionazi masters’ claim that the ship captured by Ansarullah isn’t owned by them.
Unfortunately, something called cameras exist, and photos show that the stern of the ship bears its name in large letters in….hebrew….which even Inkanazi1969 is possibly aware is the zionazi language.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 20 2023 2:19 utc | 114

Wikipedia says:
On 17 March 2023, following an investigation of war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for Vladimir Putin, the President of Russia, and Maria Lvova-Belova, Russian Commissioner for Children’s Rights, alleging responsibility for the war crime of unlawful deportation and transfer of children during the Russo-Ukrainian War.
The ICC was quick to put out an arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin when he ordered the removal of children from a war zone, but it remains silent while Israel, with the full support of the US, commits genocide in Gaza.
During the last 44 days, 50,000 Palestinian civilians have been killed, wounded, or gone missing under the relentless Israeli bombing. The majority of these victims are women and children.
Why has the ICC not issued warrants for the arrest of Benjamin Netanyahu and Joe Biden?
Because Palestinians, being predominantly Arabs, are a less desirable race, so killing them and their children is not considered such a serious crime?

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 20 2023 2:24 utc | 115

42 – Che Guevara once said that “moderates” were people who were either timid or were contemplating some kind of treachery. Perhaps he was an “extremist” but his definition has often proved to be correct.
Posted by: Waldorf | Nov 19 2023 18:39 utc | 43
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You suggest that Che Guevara was an extremist, perhaps you are a “moderate.” Read his ‘Motorcycle Dairies’ and then tell me he was an extremist; Che was a humanitarian by all accounts. The CIA bastard (Félix Ismael Rodríguez) who murdered Che after he was wounded and captured alive is the extremist.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 2:26 utc | 116

Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 20 2023 0:45 utc | 96
sorry, a reminder you are forgetting the 2.8 million Palestinians in a large, fenced, enclosed prison camp with armed guards, checkpoints and turnstiles at every entry and exit and on any street at any time in the West Bank and East Jerusalem surrounded by violent insane zionist settlers.
wiki reports an estimated population of 2,747,943 Palestinians, and over 670,000 Israeli settlers live in the West Bank, of which approximately 220,000 live in East Jerusalem.
So all up it is 5.1 million Palestinians living under the war crime of an illegal martial law occupation 24/7 who have no freedom or ability for self-determination, and who have collectively had their homelands stolen from them and their private property going back to 1947.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 2:27 utc | 117

A supporter of genocide is lecturing people about the Bible…Jeesh!
Posted by: librul | Nov 19 2023 21:47 utc | 71
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Why not? The Bible is a celebration of genocides.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 20 2023 2:34 utc | 118

“Everyone in the universe is an anti semitic Holocaust denier out to get meeeeeeeeeee.”
https://x.com/leekern13/status/1726339731938754739?s=20
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 20 2023 2:16 utc | 113
Yeah well, F’ him. See his pinned tweet with video ……
This is the angriest video I’ve ever made. And I’m legitimitely angry. Fuck @bbcnews @channel4news @skynews for their behaviour in this war.
And fuck the fake human rights orgs @UNRWA and @RedCross . You’ve been exposed as activists and collaborators with Islamic terrorists
https://twitter.com/leekern13/status/1726357076669276534
Cry me a river you dumb pathological brain dead asshole!

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 2:35 utc | 119

Watch Israeli children sing “We will annihilate everyone” in Gaza
Article details circumstances and video
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/watch-israeli-children-sing-we-will-annihilate-everyone-gaza

Posted by: Saul Goode | Nov 20 2023 2:38 utc | 120

Not sure if this link is allowed .
https://www.openbible.info/topics/against_genocide
Posted by: Bartholomew Cubbins | Nov 19 2023 22:01 utc | 73
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Thanks Bartholomew, that is a very helpful site.

Posted by: Wd | Nov 20 2023 3:00 utc | 121

“Everyone in the universe is an anti semitic Holocaust denier out to get meeeeeeeeeee.”
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 20 2023 2:16 utc | 113
Ima print that on my T-shirts for Friday night fun.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 3:21 utc | 122

Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 2:26 utc | 116
The extremists are the ones who think 500 000 Iraqi children dead are worth the achievement of a political convenience.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 3:24 utc | 123

The pictures show that Hamas was taking care of its hostages that it took on that day.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 20 2023 0:19 utc | 94
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The same can be said for the few Hamas grab-bags (with firearms and uniforms) allegedly found at the Al Sherif Hospital. If a Hamas resistance fighter is seriously wounded, where would he be taken? To the fucking hospital of course. And what is the hospital staff supposed to do with a Hamas Resistance fighter’s grab-bag, weapons, and uniforms, if the Hamas Resistance fighter dies, or is too seriously wounded to return to the conflict. They would toss it wherever.
The hospital staff is too busy treating victims of genocide to concern themselves with such matters; but leave it to the Israeli Zio Nazis to make a mountain out of a mole hill. A half dozen grab-bags, even with weapons or not, does not equal a command center, or even a command node.
It would help if the IDF would allow the international press to interview both patients and hospital staff, which they won’t: Why not?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 3:25 utc | 124

120 “We will annihilate everyone.”
50,000 so far.
Charming people, these Chosen Folk.

Posted by: anon | Nov 20 2023 3:29 utc | 125

Charming people, these Chosen Folk.
Posted by: anon | Nov 20 2023 3:29 utc | 125
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Spitting image of their god … which is hardly a surprise because they created it.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 20 2023 3:31 utc | 126

Why not? The Bible is a celebration of genocides.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 20 2023 2:34 utc | 118
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It is a funny thing, when I raise this issue and offer chapter and verse, the theist here at MoA do not respond to the question, but instead attack me for my “ignorance” about religion. Then they say something like how great, merciful, and powerful God is.
I say, go to a children’s cancer ward and say that aloud.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 3:38 utc | 127

I used to support Tulsi Gabbard since years ago now, thought she’d make a good trustworthy president even, and then one day she turned into a crazed psychopathic warmongering liar. Or was she always like that? I don’t know … here she is recently on Fox:
quote

… these other people are saying who are accusing Israel of committing a
genocide it is the height of hypocrisy because they’re apologists and
supporters of these Islamist Hamas terrorists who are calling for a
genocide – the extermination of all Jews not just in Israel but around
the world – and we’re seeing this being carried out by these violent
mobs and threats and other things that are happening against Jewish
people literally around the world …. (via the Majority Report)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNuE3Sqglk

wtf? Is this also what Modi of India also believes?
In Geneva a week ago U.N. State of Palestinian Representative they’re the right of reply to what the United States just said.

“Mr chair the United States does not get to pretend that it stands with the
Palestinian civilians in Gaza it does not get to pretend this when the United
States has just approved an additional $4.5 billion military aid package to
Israel as Israel pummels Palestinian civilians to the ground most of them
refugees and children ….”
(via jimmy dore)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx3NbXFkM1k

No doubt obvious and unsurprising, but to me still its nice to hear these things because it wasn’t always like this in the past.
Anyway, stay sane people. Look after yourselves and your peace of mind, because this isn’t stopping anytime soon.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 4:02 utc | 128

The same can be said for the few Hamas grab-bags (with firearms and uniforms) allegedly found at the Al Sherif Hospital. If a Hamas resistance fighter is seriously wounded, where would he be taken? To the fucking hospital of course. And what is the hospital staff supposed to do with a Hamas Resistance fighter’s grab-bag, weapons, and uniforms, if the Hamas Resistance fighter dies, or is too seriously wounded to return to the conflict. They would toss it wherever.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 3:25 utc | 124
Any emergency paramedic and ICU nurse in any hospital in the world (including those in Zionist occupied Palestine) will explain it all goes into a bunch of boxes in the basement.
Do a snap search of any israeli hospital and you’re going to find a bunch of old weapons taken from IDF soldiers who’ve been warranty-voided by stone throwing Palestinians.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 4:13 utc | 129

Re: Red Sea Blockade
The Houthi’s announced a Maritime Blockade of the Red Sea around a week ago.
BTW – do you think they will follow Washington’s example and auction off the ship and cargo ? 😀

Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 4:23 utc | 130

As Hamas Kills Israeli Troops, IDF Releases Audio Of Soldier’s Last Phone Call To Family From Gaza
How many of these ‘Israeli’ IDF soldiers being sent to the heart of Gaza are Ashkenazim?
Are the European, Ukrainian, Russian Jews relaxing watching the show in their air-conditioned Tel Aviv barracks while they send the “brown” Jewish shmucks to die on their behalf fighting Arabs?
Let’s the names, the numbers and the trends.
Let’s have it all plotted on a bar-chart.
Let’s see the Jewish Caste-system in color.

Who exactly is doing the dying for Zion?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 4:25 utc | 131

Anyone noticing that there are only swarthy types being sent by the IDF into Gaza is a anti-Semite !

Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 4:49 utc | 132

The New York Times this morning: still now evidence. The proof should have been provided in advance, not a few days after the hospital has been raided and destroyed, even in the case such evidence existed. It is surreal to hear some jerks here quote the Bible in defense of what Israel has done.
“Proof of an extensive Hamas command center under the hospital has yet to be revealed. Hamas has denied accusations that it uses civilian infrastructure, including residential buildings, mosques and hospitals, to hide its military fortifications and command centers. The group says Israel is committing war crimes by targeting civilian centers.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 20 2023 6:47 utc | 133

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 4:02 utc | 128
I never trusted Tulsi Gabbard. As she’s clearly a part of the problem. Well, maybe a smarter attempt than Bernie but that’s not hard to achieve.
Besides, everybody sticking with THIS Democratic party clearly doesn’t want to and won’t fix its issues. Not that the similarly criminally insane & warmongering Republican party is the better alternative.
It’s the Janus head of American politics (e.a. criminal racketeering and corruption against the constitution, people and nation) that needs to go away first before things will improve in any way or shape.

Posted by: NotYourBob | Nov 20 2023 7:15 utc | 134

Saul Goode 110
Oh dear. Is this a war about religion ?
That’s a fine distraction by Netanyahu from the genocide.
My sister’ s husband’s parents worked in the British officer class in India. Her father in law would sometimes reminisce about his past.
He’d smile “We were Gods”, meaning that they could get away with anything and everything.
Abduction of men women and children .
Indefinite detention , repeated torture and rape.
If you want another , more recent example , look at what the US did in Afghanistan , if you can bear it.
The US zionists are aware of a Muslim prophecy that the Zionists, USUKIS, thec inviters of Netanyahu to London this week, will be defeated by the Afhans. So far they have been defeated twice. Once UK, once US, next time IS.
Alhamdulillah Russia has defeated the USUKIS Nazis in Ukraine who were ordered to genocide Russians.
USUKIS brainwashed the Ukrainians to hate Russia for their own Great Game with Russia.
USUKIS , the white supremacist Balfour ,have brainwashed the Jews to hate Palestinians, again for
their own hegemonic , colonial purposes.
The brainwashed victims of USUKIS, Soros, indoctrination always project their crimes onto their victims same as the Israeli-trained Islamic State.
Al Qaida, Daesh. Rape, detention , slaughter.
Where is religion in any of this?
The USUKIS ‘ stated aim is to attack the Pacific. To this end they first attacked Europe , then the Middle East.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 20 2023 7:34 utc | 135

Dr. Mads Mikkelsen again reiterates the criminal liability of the IDF and their lies, with some numerical facts the liars can’t fudge:
Norwegian doctor talks about efforts to portray Shifa hospital …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 7:39 utc | 136

Voting doesn’t matter anymore.
Most powerful message one can send is stop voting – withhold your consent .

Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 7:39 utc | 137

France has issued an international arrest warrant for Syrian President Bashar al Assad over the alleged use of banned chemical weapons against civilians.
It is the first international arrest warrant issued for the Syrian head of state, whose forces responded to protests that began in 2011 with a brutal crackdown that UN experts have said amounts to war crimes.

Yet, not even a sidelong glance from the ‘international court’ in Bibi’s direction?
You can’t make this shit up. Clown World.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 7:45 utc | 138

Sacha Baron Cohen should be sued for cultural appropriation.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 20 2023 7:57 utc | 139

More abuses at the hospital /terrorist snake nest.
Israel conducts executions in Shifa Hospital, uses its staff as human shields
The Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor expresses shock over the Israeli army’s decision to carry out executions against wounded Palestinians during the forced evacuation of the Shifa Medical Complex in Gaza City and to use its administration as human lessons.
Euro-Med team received testimonies affirming that the Israeli army’s used members of the Shifa Complex administration as human shields to conduct an extensive combing and search operation in the hospital departments before carrying out horrific mass field executions.
According to the testimonies, the Israeli army appointed Dr. Marwan Abu Saada, director of the Surgical Hospital in the Shifa Complex, to negotiate on behalf of the hospital’s administration to arrange the forced evacuation mechanisms.
This is where all they found was a couple of kits, hope we add these testimonies to the war crime tribunal docket

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 20 2023 8:34 utc | 140

Max Blumenthal, a Jewish man of integrity and quality. I respect, admire and like him for having the balls to speak truth to power. I wish more Jews would have the integrity to speak out against the abhorrent atrocities ongoing against the Palestinian people.

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 20 2023 8:36 utc | 141

Lavrov’s Dog 128
Tulsi Gabbard and RFK have been the source of much copium recently amongst the more gullible part of the population in the run up to the next election in the US.
“These politicians are a breath of fresh air, this time things really really really will change, etc etc etc.”
In reality the only Change you will ever get out of these clowns is Chump Change.
They are all Whores Of Zion and cheerleaders for genocide. RFK was even assigned a race hustling rabbi called Shmuley Boteach by AIPAC to act as his minder and go everywhere with him to pull his strings. They are just like Obomber and Bernie Sanders before them (and Trump as well in a different way.) Nothing will ever change. They are all just the latest synthetic PR products of a fake and evil system.
Last year, when the war in Ukraine broke out, Russians and people of Russian heritage living or travelling in EU countries were refused medical treatment, sacked from their jobs, attacked in the street, and had their businesses attacked and vandalised. They had their homes and property and bank accounts confiscated. The EU passed even passed new laws to confiscate their personal property, such as cars, clothing, right down to things like soap and shampoo. They were banned from sporting competitions like the Olympics and Eurovision song contest. They were required to make public statements condemning Putin and Russia. Some of them did – but it didn’t make any difference. They were still sacked from their jobs, harassed, and had their property confiscated anyway.
Shouldn’t the same thing be happening now? Surely there is a need for consistency? Shouldn’t any Israelis living and travelling in the EU, and Jews generally, be required to condemn Netanyahu and the Gaza Genocide, on pain of being sacked from their jobs and having all their property confiscated? Surely EU airspace and ports should be closed to Israel, as happened to Russia? Russian assets abroad were confiscated and given to Ukraine. Shouldn’t any Israeli assets abroad be seized and used to rebuild Gaza?
Just asking.

Posted by: anon | Nov 20 2023 8:48 utc | 142

The Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor expresses shock over the Israeli army’s decision to carry out executions against wounded Palestinians during the forced evacuation of the Shifa Medical Complex in Gaza City and to use its administration as human lessons.
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 20 2023 8:34 utc | 140
International law ‘Expert’:
“We suspect that maybe, if there is sufficient evidence, perhaps (under certain conditions), there may be a reasonable suspicion that the IDF may have participated in a war crime to a degree in this specific instance … Undoubtedly as a result of the clear war crimes committed by Hamas on 7 October….”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 8:52 utc | 143

Posted by: Seer | Nov 19 2023 18:40 utc | 44
I could agree more with the description. His way of speaking and his arguements are very much like Malcolm X. I have been following him for a while. He is quite active on his telegram channel, where you can interact with him and ask him questions. He has some interesting videos about the demise of the western hegemony.

Posted by: Norsk | Nov 20 2023 9:08 utc | 144

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 7:39 utc | 136
Dr. Mads GILBERT!
(name isn’t as important as his message, but…)

Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 20 2023 9:16 utc | 145

Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 20 2023 9:16 utc | 145
Noted. Mikkelsen is the Heineken salesman.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 9:32 utc | 146

Another day another hospital.
https://twitter.com/Angryman_J/status/1726530220772257896
Gruesome scenese from inside.
For those who still don’t get it (although most barflies clearly do get it): what happens every hospital in your area is bombed and not functioning but there are still thousands of injured from airstrikes? Would that speed up or slow down genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Posted by: pq | Nov 20 2023 9:35 utc | 147

109
The 11,451 Palestinians killed by the Israelis in Gaza now far outnumber the 7000 jews killed by the Nazis in the Warsaw ghetto during World War
i think we will find the dead is double that figure factoring in bodies still under rubble poisoned water depleted uranium scatter
a real shoah

Posted by: helmut | Nov 20 2023 9:42 utc | 148

Pq,
Surely the Israeli’s will open up their well equipped hospitals to the thousands of wounded and sick Arabs from Gaza.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 10:01 utc | 149

@Librul, yes I remember you had posted the letter about the world taking in Palestinians. Didn’t post the JP link because it was too vomit inducing but they are still stuck on it.
Regarding all the ridiculous IOF footage of a few guns and a couple of holes in the ground mostly wells or sewage tanks, let’s take a moment to remember they claimed there was THE COMMAND AND CONTROL CENTRE.
They now say cameras show “hostages” being taken to a hospital but previously they said the cameras has TAPE over them. They seem to forget their lies. But nonetheless Islamophobic and xenophobic sheeple drink the kool aid.
The only good thing are the meme videos by the tik tok bridage mocking the IOF. They are pretty funny.
Humor helps spread the message.
One would have to be a brainless bigot to have sucked up all the atrocity porn released by Israel to the global media stenographers on Oct 8 as justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-1986-letter-prince-charles-blames-foreign-jews-for-mid-east-turmoil/
In other breaking news, 40 years ago even Charles Windsor of Tampon fame realized with his two brain cells
what was going on:
In a newly revealed letter from 1986 , the UK’s Prince Charles implied that the “influx of foreign, European Jews” to Israel was to blame for fueling the Israeli-Arab conflict, and lamented that US presidents were unwilling to take on the American “Jewish lobby.”
Also begin to understand their point of view about Israel. Never realized they see it as a US colony,” he wrote. “I now appreciate that Arabs and Jews were all a Semitic people originally + it is the influx of foreign, European Jews (especially from Poland, they say) which has helped to cause great problems.”
“Surely some US president has to have the courage to stand up and take on the Jewish lobby in US?,” wrote Charles. “I must be naive, I suppose.”

Posted by: pq | Nov 20 2023 10:07 utc | 150

Glory to the Fremen!
Down with House Harkonnen[stein]!
Down with the Emperor Joe Biden Corrino!
Victory to House HAMAS!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 10:14 utc | 151

Re the photo here claimed to be the Israeli ship captured by the Houtis linked in a couple of posts above.
https://twitter.com/ma000111/status/1726283721068949851
Simply put, it isn’t. Compared to actual photos of the real ship this one just isn’t it. Its too small and a completely different shape.
From the depths of my fading memory this looks like a photo of an earlier Houti capture a few years ago, but I don’t have the skills to do a deep photo search. Anyone here who does?

Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 10:30 utc | 152

The smell or rotten butt on Tyler’s nose comes straight through the pages. So got “banned” and all the better for it. What a bunch of suckbutts.
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 20 2023 0:13 utc | 92
Tyler chose money and comfort rather over truth.
Fuck you, Tyler.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 20 2023 10:35 utc | 153

Say what you wish about HAMAS fighters, so they’re all Mossad Agents if you like, but one thing you can’t say is these men are cowards:
In Video: Hamas Fighters Blow Up Israeli Tanks At Point-Blank, Raid Occupied Hospital [SouthFront.press]
Cowards don’t run up to a Merkava and stick an RPG head into the plates by hand.
Cowards don’t face down a Merkava on foot, RPG launcher in hand and blast it from a few meters away.
Today, the only cowards in Gaza are hiding in their Merkavas and Narmers or scooting by in F22s dropping ‘barrel bombs’ on hospitals.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 10:42 utc | 154

From the depths of my fading memory this looks like a photo of an earlier Houti capture a few years ago, but I don’t have the skills to do a deep photo search. Anyone here who does?
Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 10:30 utc | 151
Not sure about the picture’s but all mainstream news stations, pro-zionist or anti are reporting it as the Galaxy leader. France24 clearly names the ship and it’s last tracked position in the Red Sea. France24 also links the ship to Abraham Ungar via a car-shipping firm.
Doesn’t really matter what the ship looks like. All that matters is that a large carrier linked to Zionazi interests got moved from the Credits to the Debits column by the Zaidi Shia Repo-men of Saba …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 11:10 utc | 156

I have been pondering the entire Israel question for a long time. When looked at in the context of the wars since its inception and combined with the statements made in 1982 (restated again last week) about the goals of Zionism it becomes increasingly apparent Israel is a big problem for everyone. Add in that it has a history of acting outside international law, actually in fact disobeying them to include UN NSC mandates it gets increasingly difficult to try and side with them. Of the wars Israel has participated in they provoked 7 of them. They acted in partnership with South Africa to develop the nuclear bomb which SA subsequently abandoned when the Botha apartheid government was overthrown. However, little commented on was the goal of Israel to develop a genetic bio-weapon designed to kill Palestinians or Negros in the case of SA. Obviously, that has never been achieved otherwise we would see massive deaths of Palestinians from some “new” disease. It is problematic as Ashkenazi Jews and Palestinians share the same genetic code and are indistinguishable (not so with Sephardic Jews). It is also highly likely that Israel has prohibited chemical weapons. So as regards defiance of prohibited weapons they likely have all of them and are non-compliant with international law.
At this point, it is painfully obvious that Israel wishes for the permanent removal of the Palestinian population from Eretz Israel. They won’t stop there. Now the far right rhetoric is to take back all of biblical Israel (regardless of the veracity of those claims) which includes most of Lebanon, all of Syria, parts of Iraq, all of Jordan, and the Sinai down to the Nile. Again, it is hard to ignore this larger plan especially if you are one of the nations affected. This will include the removal of all Muslims and Christians.
The UN gave the Jews Israel and it is very obvious they have abused their ownership beyond any reasonable explanation and can no longer be ignored. At this point, it looks to me like the Jews have lost their right to possess any of the territory in the Middle East, and the UN must take it back and give it back to the Palestinians using a single-state solution. Israelis have adopted Nazi ideologies in support of Zionism and must now pay a price for this collectively. This type of manifest hatred based on racism cannot be tolerated. The Jews can choose to stay in Palestine but would have to become citizens of the Palestinian nation which would be so distasteful they would commit nuclear war to avoid this. They have created an image of a mad dog capable of any horror and must be eliminated as a threat to world peace much like their overlords must face as well. It is a real tar baby for the ROW to deal with. There do not appear to be any sane leaders in the US as well so it must be dealt with collectively.
Given this is where we are at and the nuclear option is a real threat I think it wise for the entire Palestinian nation to leave Israel temporarily, then all the nations in the region attack and kill the mad dogs running the country then eliminate Israel as a nation. If Israel uses WMD of any kind then massive retaliation and permanent elimination of all Israelis must be the follow-on action. Once the dust settles then the land can be cleaned up and re-occupied.

Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 20 2023 11:11 utc | 157

Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 10:42 utc | 153
Today, the only cowards in Gaza are hiding in their Merkavas and Narmers or scooting by in F22s dropping ‘barrel bombs’ on hospitals
Are the settlers enjoying the spectacle this time around? You know, from their la-z-boys on the bluff?
I saw a cartoon recently…
Four soldiers, fingers on triggers, pointing their rifles at an infant sitting on the ground in his diaper, milk bottle in hand…
The caption(ultimatum):
Any first words?

Posted by: john | Nov 20 2023 11:25 utc | 158

No reaction from the international community on hospital attack
Ibrahim Fraihat, associate professor at the Doha Institute, tells Al Jazeera that there are two patterns emerging from Israel’s attacks on civilian facilities, the latest being Indonesian Hospital.
“We started with the al-Ahli Baptist Hospital. It was bombed, there was an outcry over this and Israel denied it. But then there was another attack and received with [no] reaction from the international community because they got used to it. Now, Israel is bombing hospitals and is not even giving an explanation,” he said.
Fraihat added that the second pattern that aligns with this are the schools in Gaza.
“The first school was also received with international condemnation, but then yesterday, Al Fakhoura school…even Israel is not claiming that there are Hamas fighters hiding there, bombed [and] killed 200 people and no explanation whatsoever.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/20/israel-hamas-war-live-gaza-hospital-official-rejects-israel-tunnel-claim

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 11:28 utc | 159

Israel, a torahnic extremism.
Lavrov ecplained Israel will experience sometime same fate than Ukraine.

Posted by: Timur | Nov 20 2023 11:43 utc | 160

No reaction from the international community on hospital attack
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 20 2023 11:28 utc | 158
There is no reaction because everyone’s realized the entire facade of international law and international community has crumbled beneath their feet.
They now float screaming in silent horror in a void of lawlessness, without moral reference illuminated by a terrifying truth: “Might. Makes. Right.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 11:53 utc | 161

JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 10:30 utc | 151
found it
photo is from Jan 2022

Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 20 2023 11:54 utc | 162

Given this is where we are at and the it wise for the entire Palestinian nation to leave Israel temporarily, then all the nations in the region attack and kill the mad dogs running the country then eliminate Israel as a nation.
Posted by: Old Microbiologist | Nov 20 2023 11:11 utc | 156
Agree with all of your comment, very well written.
Except the last para lol.
Israel has human shields in the form of its 17% Arab citizens.
I think Israel will crumble under its own rabid madness. An organism infected with rabies will die if it’s own accord.
As for the hospitals, it should have been clear from the very beginning that Israel, incapable of fighting Hamas man to man, would destroy every hospital to speed up the death rate with no treatment available. And bonus: more painful deaths for the injured, more amputations and surgeries without anaesthetic etc., lower surgery survival outcomes.
The West knows this exactly and as pointed out above covered up the initial atrocities to allow this strategy.

Posted by: Pq | Nov 20 2023 11:58 utc | 163

JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 10:30 utc | 151
found it
photo is from Jan 2022
Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 20 2023 11:54 utc | 161
Good work Dan of Steele

Posted by: canuck | Nov 20 2023 12:09 utc | 164

All you need to know about the lunatic who will be the next president of Argentina:

Argentina’s Far-right Presidential Candidate Studies Torah, Mulls Conversion to Judaism and Is an Avowed Fan of Israel
Javier Milei even took a trip the grave of Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson
“>https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/2023-08-14/ty-article/.premium/an-argentinian-presidential-candidate-studies-torah-and-supports-jerusalem-embassy-move/00000189-f446-d8b0-a1bd-fcd663eb0000

Schneerson was a leader of the Chabad movement. The members of this movement are ardent Zionists:

The Torah rules: Giving up territory will make you more vulnerable to attack. To give up territory in return for a promise of “peace” is not just a reckless gamble of your and your people’s lives — it’s a gamble that you’re sure to lose. Do not yield territory that makes you more vulnerable to attack, even if you must go to war to prevent that. It’s a matter of pikuach nefesh — preventing the loss of life. War is a dangerous thing, but one must go to war to save lives.
“>https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/82019/jewish/Land-for-Peace.htm

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 20 2023 12:19 utc | 165

It is a funny thing, when I raise this issue and offer chapter and verse, the theist here at MoA do not respond to the question, but instead attack me for my “ignorance” about religion. Then they say something like how great, merciful, and powerful God is.
I say, go to a children’s cancer ward and say that aloud.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 3:38 utc | 127
Human knowledge/reason/logic is incapable of finding answers to all questions. Why does ‘God” have to be blamed for everything? The example of children with cancer. Who causes the suffering? The causes of cancer? Forgotten what humankind had done to the world and environment? Forgotten that there are so numerous carcinogens that humans have spread everywhere from dioxin to plastics to nano particles to nuclear? Do a bit of soul searching. Humans are self destructing and are the cause of suffering of others. Present ME scenario is case in point. The only soothing grace for a huge majority is a true religion. Not one that breeds violence.

Posted by: sal | Nov 20 2023 12:24 utc | 166

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/watch-israeli-children-sing-we-will-annihilate-everyone-gaza
Israeli school kids sing: we will annihilate everyone in Gaza.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 20 2023 12:37 utc | 167

Poor Gilad Atzmon. He was attacked relentlessly but was right of course. Any “chosenite” saying that it is only Zionism, or that it is just like Christian or Islamic religious extremism is of course lying, there is a much deeper problem with Jewish exceptionalism, call it supremacism or as Gilad does “Jewishness”. Whatever. Anyone telling you otherwise is either self-censoring or lying for the special, transnational, trans-ideological, interclass tribe. Gilad Atzmon (former Israeli, ex-Jew) explains what “Jewishness” is, and why it is problematic. https://twitter.com/lucas_gage_/status/1726091532455850236?s=52&t=5VRKobISxhFQrmfA0nltnw
Regarding the zionist entity: there are no “Leftwing” or “antizionist Jews”. They all (and never were more than 0.1% of the invaders) left decades ago. And no Neturei Karta types are not anti zionists, they have the typical hairsplitting rabinical intra-tribal disputes and they do lying with chutzpah very well of course. Ok they can be used for PR purposes in a pro-Palestine demo, but they are as zionist as the rest of the 99.9% of occupiers in Palestine, and as 80 to 99% of Jews in Diaspora (From Canada to Iran, France, Italy, Slavic regions, etc.) who are zionist (and even most of those who are not are nonetheless exceptionnalist/supremacist as defined by Gilad Atzmon or Israel Shahak and a few other lucid jews/post-jews).
Surprise, according to credible polls, 85% of Jews operating in the US support the most recent live-streamed genocide. This is the unfiltered truth. And my perception is that it is even higher. Sorry guys, the truth hurts but one has to face it now, or be struck by it later, and much harder. https://twitter.com/KeithWoodsYT/status/1726247306767532075?t=hLki9zee-AjoxLB4D57-pw&s=19
Only the Palestinians, and the Arabs, can liberate themselves and escape enslavement by the tribalists and their captured empire of the day.

Posted by: Wandering Wonder | Nov 20 2023 13:49 utc | 168

Not sure about the picture’s but all mainstream news stations, pro-zionist or anti are reporting it as the Galaxy leader. France24 clearly names the ship and it’s last tracked position in the Red Sea. France24 also links the ship to Abraham Ungar via a car-shipping firm.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 11:10 utc | 155
JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 10:30 utc | 151 found it photo is from Jan 2022 Posted by: dan of steele | Nov 20 2023 11:54 utc | 161
Good work Dan of Steele Posted by: canuck | Nov 20 2023 12:09 utc | 163
Thanks for your comment Arch, it just shows that the ‘checking facts before broadcast’ function in much if not most of the MSN is pretty much broken.
Excellent sleuthing there Dan, successfully hunting down and proving my hunch. Have a drink on me.

Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 20 2023 14:16 utc | 169

In response to sal@165,
To be fair, if you go out and plant a tree tomorrow, should you or humanity at large be held responsible if it falls on someone and kills them a decade later?
There’s a very reasonable rationale behind blaming God rather than man for the injustice that happens in the world, which is imbalance of power — on one hand you have a being that is, supposedly, omnipotent and omniscient, and on the other you have beings who become aware of a limited spectrum of events strictly after they happen, if ever, and once aware can only influence them in a meaningful way by expending monumental effort, if it is even within their capacity to influence them at all. The image that brings to my mind is of a frail old lady being tasked with carrying bricks, hauling them on her back through an endless passage of driverless forklifts which are all on strike. Additionally, although the idea of collective responsibility is still selectively applied in the human consciousness, I doubt many would agree that sick children deserve the primary blame for environmental pollution.

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 20 2023 14:17 utc | 170

Posted by: Wandering Wonder | Nov 20 2023 13:49 utc | 167
Two of the most committed individuals I have seen to any cause are Aaron Maté and another person of Jewish background who has been distibuting pamphlets about the Palestine situation, rain or shine, for years if not decades. Maté’s activist beginnings are recorded in a terrific way in a film called Discordia which documents the clashes between Jews and Muslims at Concordia University in Montreal, which was in the news again last week. On the other hand I felt a bit iffy about Eddie’s interview of the Jewish Orthodox rabbi on the Deen Show although the rabbi said the things one wants to hear. Who has been spitting on Christians in Jerusalem according to some reports (for starters)?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 20 2023 14:24 utc | 171

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 20 2023 14:17 utc | 169
No sir. Your argument is: If you drive a car on to the sidewalk full of pedestrians. Its not my fault. It was the car. Own up to responsibility. Not – look what you made me do. Benevolent Being or whatever. Face the reality of responsibility.

Posted by: sal | Nov 20 2023 14:28 utc | 172

@Saul Goode | Nov 20 2023 2:03 utc | 110
George Bernard Shaw was himself an intern of his symbolically described lunatic asylum
saying aporovingly
‘The future is to the mongrel, not to the Junker. I, Bernard Shaw, have said it.’
G B Shaw was a Fabian globalist eugenicist
Those guys were all enemies of functioning independent nationstates

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 20 2023 14:30 utc | 173

Arch Bungle 160
International Law hasn’t disappeared.
The narrative that it has disappeared HAS just appeared for the sole purpose of USUKIS plus European vassals plus Political Islam vassals to create the Greater Israel colonial land grab myth.
One of the Neocon bitches, I forget who now, visited Islamic State bulldozing the Syria – Iraq border and claimed it was a British colomial border which was oppressive and must be demolished. As If.
Hamas are brave patsies for FUKUSIS + Islamist mafia. The Tory motto is ” move fast and break everything “.
This is what is currently taking place.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 20 2023 14:50 utc | 174

In response to sal@171,
Fine, let’s say I drive up on the sidewalk and kill a bunch of pedestrians. My responsibility, whether or not I receive appropriate punishment in this life or the next, is duly noted. What did the now dead pedestrians do to deserve it?

Posted by: Skiffer | Nov 20 2023 14:50 utc | 175

Skiffer 174
Their only crime was being random , innocent citizens that could not be traced back to Mossad CIA and MI6 false flags for regime change.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 20 2023 14:54 utc | 176

Boŕrell said this in an interview with the Spanish newspaper “Pais”.
“We had a meeting with President Herzog. It went well. I’m a little pro-Palestinian, so I was afraid the reception would be colder, but no, it’s not,” he said.

So Borrell is “a little pro-Palestinian”.
Do you think Borrell will give military aid to the Palestinians, just like the EU gave to Ukraine? Giving to Gaza the same that was sent to Kiev – training, intelligence, satellite pictures, tanks, air defense missiles, howitzers, shells, a few billion in cash? No?
The statement by Borrell is just a bit of PR, to keep calm the millions of Muslims in Europe.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 20 2023 15:19 utc | 177

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 20 2023 14:50 utc | 173
Hamas are brave patsies for FUKUSIS + Islamist mafia. The Tory motto is ” move fast and break everything “.
If you want to use the label of patsies, then you can apply it to all sides in fairness:
– Assad himself and the Syrian State was FUKUSIS patsy for decades or at least for a good chunk of time.
– As well as any other party you care to name
This is what is currently taking place.
That is not what is currently taking place:
Between the Jailer and the Jailed there is often a cooperation.
There is always a collaboration between the prison guard and the concentration camp victim.
This is the relationship between HAMAS and ‘israel’: There was never any point that HAMAS became a willing and knowing tool in the hands of ‘israel’.
Any collaboration they had was always whatever was needed to gain that inch of breath needed to survive.
In resistance we are told to “bend to the wind or break” sometimes.
HAMAS did this well and ultimately returned to the path of resistance
I don’t understand what they did in Syria, but I know they’re not doing that now, and whatever we may think of the Syrian State we should acknowledge there was never any reason for HAMAS to view them as friends, after all, it was the Syrian State that at want point also crushed the Palestinian resistance in Syria as a favour to USUKIS!
Not all is black and white in the middle east. Everyone has old scores to settle. Not everyone you think are he “good guys” are really that good or were always that good.
Resistance movements tread both sides of the line between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ all the time. They do what they must to prevail.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 15:23 utc | 178

[T]hey say something like how great, merciful, and powerful God is.
I say, go to a children’s cancer ward and say that aloud.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 3:38 utc | 127
It is a common experience of nearly every human being (the entirety of humanity modulo a handful of individuals in history) to have been subjected to the whims and fancies of the powerful. This ranges from the kid in the schoolyard getting bullied to entire nations subjugated and maltreated.
Objections such as yours regarding the mercy of an omnipotent being that dwell on matters such as disease, injustices in the world, etc. are based on a lack of understanding of what precisely is the “Power of God”.
If you actually understood, even intellectually, something of the nature of the power you would indeed stand, bow, or bend knees and pray to a most merciful God.
Your entire reality, then entirety of your experience of being, is experienced in the context of a ‘consciousness’ that is fully, completely, under the control of God.
“And we made it appear to them …”
We recognize Allah as being truly merciful as we recognize IT as a Power that has no peer that could possibly oppose it (“Allah does as IT Pleases”) and yet “Allah has decreed Rule of Mercy” for ITSelf.
You are upset about disease? Sweetie, you are a contingent being in a Universe subject to a Mind that you barely can control. If God was into getting some of sort of “entertainment” from seeing subject beings “suffering in Cancer wards” then it would not end at that at all. I mean the menu of options open to an omnipotent God in terms of making you suffer are endless and some you can not even imagine since you have not yet experienced it yet.
Again, refer to human history and get a sense of what unjust power actually looks like. From my own personal experience, the words in Qur’an have been proven 100% correct: All good in me and my life is indeed from God. Everything that has gone wrong, even things that initially I assumed to be “injustice”, after careful consideration and analysis have shown themselves to be entirely due to my own shortcomings.
Second thing I have come to understand is that I can only ‘honestly’ bitch and moan about my own personal life experience but when trotting out the usual “what about all the suffering?” I have only done so as a polemic device (in the course of my own personal spiritual wrestling).
The fact is that I can only (and even then subject to imperfect information and understanding) consider “justice and mercy of God” in the context of my own personal experience as a living being subject to this God. And there I have come to see that, if anything, God has been cutting slack after slack and I am the one who has by his own hand brought whatever evil thing that happened to me.
Children with cancer? I don’t know and I can’t speak about that specific soul and the recognition of the presumption of judging God based on such a point of view is sufficient to stop such reflection.
It is absolutely necessary for a thinking being to reflect, possibly even “vigorously” like Jacob wresting with the angel. But this needs to be done at a mature level and not based on sentimental considerations. And it must be based on what you yourself have experienced.
Each and every soul has a 1-on-1 with God. That is the only matter of concern to you if indeed you are a believer.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 20 2023 15:37 utc | 179

Attention, this 2017 report by Abby Martin is vomit-inducing. Inside occupiers of Palestine’s brainwashing. Absolutely insane level of arrogance, religious-racial supremacism, psychopathy. Interesting to note how they work hard to maintain, a la Hollywood a thin, glossy appearance of normalcy, and the usual victimhood crocodile tears. This globalized tribal insanity is mindboggling Good news: Elon Musk may be able to move all of these neanderthals (and him first) to Mars: a land without people for a people without land is a basis of their indoctrination no? so ¡ Salgan de aquí! As for their second big lie, totally anti-historical of course, about being primal occupants and kicked-out (and they know they lie) well on Mars they will be the true primal and last occupant, excellent for very special people. One-way ticket of course, so that they can green the orange desert and not be bothered by the 99% of humanity, and vice versa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFoxL3sOAio

Posted by: Repugnado | Nov 20 2023 15:57 utc | 180

It is a funny thing, when I raise this issue and offer chapter and verse, the theist here at MoA do not respond to the question, but instead attack me for my “ignorance” about religion. Then they say something like how great, merciful, and powerful God is.
I say, go to a children’s cancer ward and say that aloud.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 20 2023 3:38 utc | 127
Human knowledge/reason/logic is incapable of finding answers to all questions. Why does ‘God” have to be blamed for everything? The example of children with cancer. Who causes the suffering? The causes of cancer? Forgotten what humankind had done to the world and environment? Forgotten that there are so numerous carcinogens that humans have spread everywhere from dioxin to plastics to nano particles to nuclear? Do a bit of soul searching. Humans are self destructing and are the cause of suffering of others. Present ME scenario is case in point. The only soothing grace for a huge majority is a true religion. Not one that breeds violence.
Posted by: sal | Nov 20 2023 12:24 utc | 167
Add to this that cancer cure has been found in the forties by Jewish Dr Warburg (at Adolf Hitler’s behest) and from this time on hidden by Big Pharma – make some search yourself : it has to do with sugar and oxygen. Even wikipedia talks about his research forgetting to mention he found the cure ‘eat NO SUGAR EVER and oxygen your body no need for pills).
“Warburg effect
In oncology, the Warburg effect is the observation that most cancer cells release energy predominantly not through the ‘usual’ citric acid cycle and oxidative phosphorylation in the mitochondria.”
You can add to that one Linus Pauling discovered that high doses of intravenous VIT C cure cancer (same process: it improves oxygenative processes in the body … but the guy has been dismissed as a moron, a maniac (it was before “they” invented conspiracy theory) despite he being the only human having been awarded not ONE but TWO NOBEL PRIZES.
We do live in interesting times (Middle-Age may be or rather would it be Jurassic Kingdom?).

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 20 2023 15:59 utc | 181

Attention, this 2017 report by Abby Martin is vomit-inducing. Inside occupiers of Palestine’s brainwashing. Absolutely insane level of arrogance, religious-racial supremacism, psychopathy. Interesting to note how they work hard to maintain, a la Hollywood a thin, glossy appearance of normalcy, and the usual victimhood crocodile tears. This globalized tribal insanity is mindboggling Good news: Elon Musk may be able to move all of these neanderthals (and him first) to Mars: a land without people for a people without land is a basis of their indoctrination no? so ¡ Salgan de aquí! As for their second big lie, totally anti-historical of course, about being primal occupants and kicked-out (and they know they lie) well on Mars they will be the true primal and last occupant, excellent for very special people. One-way ticket of course, so that they can green the orange desert and not be bothered by the 99% of humanity, and vice versa. Everyday Israelis Express Support for Genocide to Abby Martin on Empire Files. Search on the internet. Even on Youtube.

Posted by: Repugnado | Nov 20 2023 15:59 utc | 182

40 days have passed. Just what is Israel doing to clear the Amalek?
How come 2mn Amalek are still alive after water and food is cut?
I don’t understand.

Posted by: chola3 | Nov 20 2023 16:11 utc | 183

I don’t understand.
Posted by: chola3 | Nov 20 2023 16:11 utc | 184
Unlike Amalek, these goyim are proving too tough for God’s “chosen people”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:13 utc | 184

fyi
‘It’s part of our psyche’: why Ireland sides with ‘underdog’ Palestine
Rory Carroll and Lisa O’Carroll
Ireland is seen as an outlier in the EU – but its sympathy for the suffering in Gaza is rooted in its own history
‘Ireland got public support from Jean Asselborn, Luxembourg’s outgoing foreign minister. He told reporters this week, before his last ministers’ summit in Brussels, that for the past decade EU member states “didn’t give a fuck” about Palestinian statehood – with two exceptions. “There were two countries here that tried to put it on the agenda, me and the Irish.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/20/ireland-palestine-ceasefire-gaza

Posted by: Don Firineach | Nov 20 2023 16:18 utc | 185

In 1967 six nations attacked ‘Israel’ and were defeated by the mighty IDF in six days.
In 2023 the mighty IDF attacks women, children, patients and is still struggling 45 days later.
On the northern front it’s being slowly whittled down by Nasrallah’s Weekend Volunteer Club.
All the while being feed a constant stream of cutting edge weapons by a superpower.
This is the very picture of a paper tiger.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:19 utc | 186

Unlike Amalek, these goyim are proving too tough for God’s “chosen people”.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:13 utc
But how? No water/food inflow, desalination plants destroyed. How are they surviving?
Or is the israelis secretly letting in basic amounts of food and water? (which surely would enrage Yahweh)
My town would die in 20 days under such a siege.

Posted by: chola3 | Nov 20 2023 16:24 utc | 187

Lebanese TV Reports:
… Al-Qassam Brigades fighters fire a missiles barrage at Tel Aviv in response to the Zionist crimes in Gaza….
Hamas is prevailing.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 20 2023 16:25 utc | 188

Question:
45 days later, after near complete carpet bombing of northern Gaza, how is it that rockets are still being fired at Tel Aviv?
With all their air power, naval power, tanks, artillery, surface-to-surface missiles pounding Gaza hourly how is it possible that the impoverished strip is still firing salvoes of rockets at the key cities of occupied Palestine?
Are HAMAS fighters truly that resilient?
Against all odds, are they truly that skilled and masterful in their art of resistance that they can face down not one superpower but it’s most powerful proxy?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:28 utc | 189

Alastair Crooke at Judging Freedom with Judge Napolitano today at YouTube. Israel’s moral justifications.
Crooke explains exactly why Israel had better not attack Iran unless it wants to be wiped off the map.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 20 2023 16:29 utc | 190

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:28 utc | 190
… with all their cutting edge tunnel imaging technology, a.i, data analytics, sattelite access, telecommunications spyware, whizzbang doodads and funky gizmos … How is it that with all this they could not take out Hamas in 6 days?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:30 utc | 191

40 days have passed. Just what is Israel doing to clear the Amalek?
How come 2mn Amalek are still alive after water and food is cut?
I don’t understand.
Posted by: chola3 | Nov 20 2023 16:11 utc | 184
A good question. I presume the blockade is leaky. Must have been leaky for some time, given Hamas evident capabilities. As to how that works, one can only speculate, but no doubt human resourcefullness plays a considerable role, and corruption and objection to the blockade also.
Hezbollah has a much better situation, so one can infer their capabilities are substantially much better too.
It is interesting in the present situation to notice that both Uncle Sugar and the IDF are not in a hurry to attack anybody but Hamas.
I also wonder what the IDFs logistical situation looks like, as this looks to be a long war (in Israeli terms) the way it is going now.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 20 2023 16:42 utc | 192

@192
Hamas is doing about as well as Taliban.
u$$a through IOF is killing thousands of non combatants and thumping rubble where Hamas is not present.
Can’t win by merely thumping rubble.
Mapping a tunnel does not mean the tunnel should get a 2000# bomb that is wearing the F-16 out!

Posted by: paddy | Nov 20 2023 16:45 utc | 193

@187
In 1973 u$$a emptied its warehouses of newest smart weaponry, tested in Vietnam, or Tel Aviv would have been overrun!
Waiting for u$$a to lend F-16s because IOF are worn out.
Or u$$a runs out of 2000#ers and guidance kits….

Posted by: paddy | Nov 20 2023 16:50 utc | 194

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:30 utc | 192
Scott Ritter had explained about the tunnel systems some time ago. Cannot detect them if properly built and deep enough.
Hamas is definitely resilient but it is doubtful they live in tunnels all the time. Might go insane. Likely rotated to be harmless surface dwellers. Or maybe they have a tunnel to Egypt or West Bank.
I also believe they have manpads but will only “acquire” them later.
One thing for sure. I see them as extremely disciplined and thus will be tough in urban combat.
No one helping them because the goal is to show how pathetic the israelis are.

Posted by: chola3 | Nov 20 2023 16:50 utc | 195

Chola3:
I do not know but I do know that one should not take it for granted that it will last.
· There is a tiny trickle of water coming in through some small pipes.
· There is water stored (as anyone would do) but probably not much left any longer.
· There are some wells but they are few and and of low quality.
· A lot of water is made drinkable by cooking and making tea. Tea is easy to store. This is also most likely becoming more difficult as time passes.
· There has been some very small amounts of aid going into Gaza from Egypt.
· People in Gaza are used to being careful with water and making the best of difficult situations. Experience is important in such matters to make the most of what little there is.
But again; one can not take any of this for granted and there probably are people dying of thirst (and hunger) right now.
Israel is committing genocide while the vast majority of the “leaders” of the world only talk (and lie). The power to stop this exists but is not being used. Keep doing whatever you can, maybe also try what you think you can’t.
Yemen/Houthis/Ansar Allah are amazing!

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 20 2023 16:50 utc | 196

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 16:28 utc | 190
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 20 2023 16:42 utc | 193
It is their strong faith/belief that helps them.
‘They plan and God plans. And God is the best of planners.’

Posted by: sal | Nov 20 2023 16:58 utc | 197

Israel is committing genocide while the vast majority of the “leaders” of the world only talk (and lie). The power to stop this exists but is not being used. Keep doing whatever you can, maybe also try what you think you can’t.
Yemen/Houthis/Ansar Allah are amazing!
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 20 2023 16:50 utc | 197
I find this not to be the biggest tragedy.
The biggest tragedy is that when the Palestinians (“HAMAS”) start to win, as they inevitably will, and the IDF begins to approach it’s casualty threshold THAT is when ceasefires will be called, HAMAS will be begged to “stand down” and means will be provided to the Isrealis to pull their tattered backsides out of the Gaza meatgrinder.
If this were a just world (which it is only over long time spans) “The World” would make the same tepid calls for a ceasefire regardless of whether the zionists or the Palestinians are taking the brunt of the fire.
‘Israel’ is like the big bully who picks on the quiet runt and discovers the runt is actually a pretty tough fighter, this kind of bully always ends up running off to daddy (Uncle Sugar) for help in the end because he can’t handle it on his own.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 20 2023 17:04 utc | 198

Palestinian Representative, Nada Abu Tarbush, Demolishes Israeli Lies at UN
https://www.sott.net/article/486169-Palestinian-Representative-Nada-Abu-Tarbush-Demolishes-Israeli-Lies-at-UN
A must read!

Posted by: librul | Nov 20 2023 17:13 utc | 199

@Posted by: librul | Nov 20 2023 17:13 utc | 200
Here is the transcript
Transcript
Nada Tarbush: Speaker 1: Thank you, Mr. Chair. Given that a number of states have spoken about Palestine directly, we have prepared three replies which we will read one after the other and we kindly ask for your indulgence in that regard. We will first respond to Israel’s statement.
Mr. Chair, at the outset, let us remind Israel that our name is not the Palestinian Authority, but the state of Palestine. Sure, your finance minister said at an event in Paris earlier this year there is no such thing as a Palestinian people. And your prime minister on the 24th of September held up a map at the General Assembly entitled “The New Middle East” in which Palestine was deleted and replaced entirely with Israel.
But if your government is annexationist and racist, this body is not. And we ask you to kindly adhere to UN protocol and nomenclature and to show respect to all stakeholders in this room. Let us also remind the Israeli delegate that the lack of rules of procedure for this meeting does not give carte blanche to lose all sense of decorum when speaking to interlocutors in this room. To the other states and civil society in the room, let me simplify Israel’s statement for you.
Other than throwing insults around and making grave baseless accusations, Israel said something that should make all of you shudder. It effectively said, “I can kill any and every person in Gaza. The 2.3 million people in Gaza are either terrorists or terrorists, sympathizers or human shields and are therefore legitimate targets.”
Every person, according to Israel, falls into one of these three categories. A child, a journalist, a doctor, a UN staff, a newborn baby in an incubator. And so, according to Israel, it can kill them and then have the audacity to come to this room and tell the world with a straight face, we are acting in international law. The death of each of the over 11,350 people killed over the past month, be it children, journalists, UN staff, the sick, the elderly, according to Israel, was justified. Think about that for a moment and let it give you pause.
Anyone espousing this warped logic has no shred of humanity, no sense of morality and no knowledge of legality. But guess what? Your carpet explanation for carpet bombing will not fly. People are not fools. The people in this room are seasoned diplomats who are well read, have a knowledge of history and many of whom have seen your government make the same arguments during your six previous military aggressions on Gaza in the past 15 years. They have seen you resort to collective punishment, targeting of Palestinian children, journalists, medical staff, aid workers before. They have seen you forcibly transfer our communities, colonize our lands, demolish our homes and evict families from their own properties since the 7th of October and for the 75 years that preceded it. They have seen your state-sponsored disinformation campaign before. Again, not fools. Don’t insult our intelligence.
By saying that it is acting in accordance with international law, Israel is effectively saying the UN Secretary General, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the WHO, UNICEF, OCHA, UN Special Rapporteurs, the UN Independent Commissioner of Inquiry on the Situation, human rights organizations worldwide, disarmament NGOs worldwide, humanitarian NGOs worldwide, countless legal experts are all wrong. Everyone is lying about Israel violating international law and we are asked instead to believe Israel, the state that is actually doing the indiscriminate killing. It is interesting that by saying even wars have rules, Israel quoted the very same UN Secretary General, whose resignation it has called for, because he dared to say that Israel has a history of occupying Palestinian land.
The dissonance of hearing the Israeli representative talk about wars having rules as it commits genocide and breaches every rule in the book live on our TV screens is quite something. To Israel, we say, we see through your PR and disinformation. The whole world sees through your PR and disinformation. The millions of people filling the streets in every major capital of the world, calling you out for genocide, sees through your PR and disinformation.
Perhaps you think that with your incendiary rhetoric, we will all forget the incitement, the declarations and acts of Israeli officials, the people you represent, to wipe out Gaza, to drop a nuclear bomb on the Palestinian people, to destroy the “human animals” and “children of darkness”. Perhaps you think that your constant intimidation and threatening language will make everyone overlook the fact that Israelis, as we speak, killing babies, youth, women, men, elderly, no one too small or too old or too sick to be spared its wrath. Perhaps you think that by cutting off telecommunications and imposing yet another blackout on Gaza, you can continue to commit genocide while avoiding the annoyance of people being able to use their phones and computers to report on it. Perhaps you think that as your trigger-happy soldiers continue to kill journalists, 41 so far, the highest number of journalists killed over a four-week period than in any conflict in the last three decades, you think that no one will be left to expose your crimes. Perhaps you think that by trying to silence anyone who tries to speak about your crimes, the international law violations of the state, by calling them either anti-Semites or terror supporters, people will be silent. And your intimidation campaign knows no bounds.
They attack Palestinians, Jews, Israelis, U.N. officials, politicians, parliamentarians, university professors, and anyone worldwide who calls you out for your violations of international law. But guess what? Your intimidation and silencing will not work. We, along with all peace-loving nations and along with all people of conscience around the world, will not be silent. We will continue to call you out on your crimes to call for accountability for your violations, for sanctions as your government continues to reject calls for a ceasefire, to massacre our people, and to entrench your colonial occupation and apartheid regime.
Something your country should have learned over the past 75 years is that the Palestinian people are a people who refuse to disappear. And your nuclear threats, and your bombs, and your tanks, and your bulldozers will never break the Palestinian people’s will to be free, and to live in the dignity and peace to which all people are entitled. Unlike you, we have consistently stood in this forum calling for respect for international law, for ethical principles to guide state behavior, for peace over war, for humanity over national interests, for disarmament over destruction. Once again, we stand in this forum to call on all states to respect and ensure respect for international law. Let the law be the measure by which all are judged, not propaganda and hateful, biased, spin steeped in racism. And to Israel’s absurd assertion that Palestinians have a problem with people of Jewish faith, and give the impression that this is a religious conflict, let us say it loud and clear, this is not, and has never been about religion.
Had the occupiers of our land, or the violators of our rights been Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, or of any other conviction, we would have called them out all the same. Palestine has always been multi-racial, multi-ethnic, and multi-religious. People of Jewish faith have lived in historic Palestine as Palestinians for centuries.
We consider them to be our brothers and sisters. And since the memory of the Holocaust has been invoked, let us also say loud and clear, we have the greatest of solidarity with both the victims and survivors of the Holocaust. It was not Palestinians that committed that horrific genocide, but the fascist forces that spawned from Europe. And it is unconscionable that a number of European leaders are again beating the drum as another genocide is now underway in Gaza. We are united with those hundreds of thousands of Jews around the world, including from organizations like Jewish Voice for Peace, If Not Now, Na’amud UK, who are calling out this genocide and chanting in the streets of New York, London, Paris, Berlin, Sydney, Toronto, and all major western cities so that their governments can hear, “Not in our name, end the genocide in Gaza.” With them, we stand together to end this pain and suffering. Together, we will not allow this to happen. Never again is now.

Posted by: librul | Nov 20 2023 17:15 utc | 200