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November 18, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-275
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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Scenes from Al Shifa Hospital following the Israeli occupation forces order to evacuate everyone from medical crews to injuries and patients. 18.11.23 Posted by: Pq | Nov 18 2023 12:19 utc | 1 Scenes from Al Shifa Hospital following the Israeli occupation forces order to evacuate everyone from medical crews to injuries and patients. 18.11.23 Posted by: Pq | Nov 18 2023 12:19 utc | 2 How long until Zionist bs returns to it’s dominant position? Posted by: librul | Nov 18 2023 12:26 utc | 3 How long until Zionist bs returns to it’s dominant position? Posted by: librul | Nov 18 2023 12:26 utc | 4 https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/20818 Posted by: Hankster | Nov 18 2023 12:31 utc | 5 https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/20818 Posted by: Hankster | Nov 18 2023 12:31 utc | 6 we crossed a red line here, it seems NATO (white genociders) vs BRICS world war is coming. Posted by: cafe_con_leche2 | Nov 18 2023 12:35 utc | 7 we crossed a red line here, it seems NATO (white genociders) vs BRICS world war is coming. Posted by: cafe_con_leche2 | Nov 18 2023 12:35 utc | 8 Well, there goes your so called “international law” down the toilet like the bulllshit it’s always been. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 13:09 utc | 9 Well, there goes your so called “international law” down the toilet like the bulllshit it’s always been. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 13:09 utc | 10 I can not be alone in being revolted by both Hamas & Nuttyahoo. Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 11 I can not be alone in being revolted by both Hamas & Nuttyahoo. Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 12 There are many potential hidden strategic reasons for the current Gaza war, religious, economic, military, land grab etc. Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 18 2023 13:27 utc | 13 There are many potential hidden strategic reasons for the current Gaza war, religious, economic, military, land grab etc. Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 18 2023 13:27 utc | 14 Hankster | Nov 18 2023 12:31 utc | 3 Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 13:42 utc | 17 Hankster | Nov 18 2023 12:31 utc | 3 Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 13:42 utc | 18 18.11 2023 – WORLD FOOD PROGRAM: Gaza is facing famine and all bakeries in the Strip have stopped. Posted by: JB | Nov 18 2023 14:04 utc | 19 18.11 2023 – WORLD FOOD PROGRAM: Gaza is facing famine and all bakeries in the Strip have stopped. Posted by: JB | Nov 18 2023 14:04 utc | 20 RE: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6 Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 18 2023 14:08 utc | 21 RE: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6 Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 18 2023 14:08 utc | 22 “Israel perpetrates a massacre in the Al Fakhura School in Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza, killing and wounding dozens of displaced civilians.” Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:31 utc | 23 “Israel perpetrates a massacre in the Al Fakhura School in Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza, killing and wounding dozens of displaced civilians.” Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:31 utc | 24 Wall Street Journal (WSJ)enables ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Posted by: librul | Nov 18 2023 14:34 utc | 25 Wall Street Journal (WSJ)enables ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Posted by: librul | Nov 18 2023 14:34 utc | 26 CBN News Headline: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 14:34 utc | 27 CBN News Headline: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 14:34 utc | 28 Israel-Palestine Weekly Update 17th Nov – May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/israel-palestine-weekly-update Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Nov 18 2023 14:53 utc | 29 Israel-Palestine Weekly Update 17th Nov – May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/israel-palestine-weekly-update Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Nov 18 2023 14:53 utc | 30 where are my striped pajamas? Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 31 where are my striped pajamas? Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 32 Awww, what a happy family. Simplicius reads me. I read Simplicius. Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 18 2023 15:31 utc | 33 Awww, what a happy family. Simplicius reads me. I read Simplicius. Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 18 2023 15:31 utc | 34 The US game plan is as ancient as they come: divide and conquer. Posted by: Seer | Nov 18 2023 15:51 utc | 35 The US game plan is as ancient as they come: divide and conquer. Posted by: Seer | Nov 18 2023 15:51 utc | 36 “The big question for me is: Is the US/Anglo empire mad enough to be thinking ‘at last, a wider ME conflict which will take us all the way to Tehran?” Posted by: dh | Nov 18 2023 15:52 utc | 37 “The big question for me is: Is the US/Anglo empire mad enough to be thinking ‘at last, a wider ME conflict which will take us all the way to Tehran?” Posted by: dh | Nov 18 2023 15:52 utc | 38 At Concordia University in Montreal there was a physical fight this week because of the Palestine issue between the usual suspects. Now a 15-million class-action lawsuit has been filed against the university and the student union. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:20 utc | 39 At Concordia University in Montreal there was a physical fight this week because of the Palestine issue between the usual suspects. Now a 15-million class-action lawsuit has been filed against the university and the student union. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:20 utc | 40 Montreal is no stranger to school sholtings. What can you do to help? Turn down the rhetoric. No calls for genocide on either side. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:23 utc | 41 Montreal is no stranger to school sholtings. What can you do to help? Turn down the rhetoric. No calls for genocide on either side. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:23 utc | 42 Well, on we go with business as usual save for the manifest defeat of the West in Ukraine which has now been eclipsed by the persistent impunity of Israel to pursue its Nazi post-holocaust heritage. Only Russia’s steadfast stance accomplished the former and I suspect that only similar insistence on the part of the U.S. public (“don’t hold your breath” being the appropriate expectation) could accomplish the latter (writing our congresscriters elicits the usual weasel-worded replies): so much for ‘the rest of the world’ and the farce that is the U.N. Posted by: StirThePot | Nov 18 2023 16:40 utc | 43 Well, on we go with business as usual save for the manifest defeat of the West in Ukraine which has now been eclipsed by the persistent impunity of Israel to pursue its Nazi post-holocaust heritage. Only Russia’s steadfast stance accomplished the former and I suspect that only similar insistence on the part of the U.S. public (“don’t hold your breath” being the appropriate expectation) could accomplish the latter (writing our congresscriters elicits the usual weasel-worded replies): so much for ‘the rest of the world’ and the farce that is the U.N. Posted by: StirThePot | Nov 18 2023 16:40 utc | 44 Well, on we go with business as usual save for the manifest defeat of the West in Ukraine which has now been eclipsed by the persistent impunity of Israel to pursue its Nazi post-holocaust heritage. Only Russia’s steadfast stance accomplished the former and I suspect that only similar insistence on the part of the U.S. public (“don’t hold your breath” being the appropriate expectation) could accomplish the latter (writing our congresscriters elicits the usual weasel-worded replies): so much for ‘the rest of the world’ and the farce that is the U.N. Posted by: StirThePot | Nov 18 2023 16:40 utc | 45 Well, on we go with business as usual save for the manifest defeat of the West in Ukraine which has now been eclipsed by the persistent impunity of Israel to pursue its Nazi post-holocaust heritage. Only Russia’s steadfast stance accomplished the former and I suspect that only similar insistence on the part of the U.S. public (“don’t hold your breath” being the appropriate expectation) could accomplish the latter (writing our congresscriters elicits the usual weasel-worded replies): so much for ‘the rest of the world’ and the farce that is the U.N. Posted by: StirThePot | Nov 18 2023 16:40 utc | 46 It bothers me seeing all those helpless Palestinians being murdered. I wish they would do something to make their last few days meaningful, like a mass rush against the Gaza fence. Put some bulldozers out front, smash the fences again and pour into their ancestral homeland in their hundreds of thousands. Better to die quickly and with dignity from Jewish machine guns than being thirsted and starved to death in the rubble of Gaza. Many will make it to Jewish towns. It might be enough of a wake up call to the rest of the world to see Israel murdering thousands of Palestinians at once with machine guns to shock the world into stopping the horror that is Israel. Posted by: Chas | Nov 18 2023 16:44 utc | 47 It bothers me seeing all those helpless Palestinians being murdered. I wish they would do something to make their last few days meaningful, like a mass rush against the Gaza fence. Put some bulldozers out front, smash the fences again and pour into their ancestral homeland in their hundreds of thousands. Better to die quickly and with dignity from Jewish machine guns than being thirsted and starved to death in the rubble of Gaza. Many will make it to Jewish towns. It might be enough of a wake up call to the rest of the world to see Israel murdering thousands of Palestinians at once with machine guns to shock the world into stopping the horror that is Israel. Posted by: Chas | Nov 18 2023 16:44 utc | 48 Hopefully there is someone on this thread who can add up the weekly costs of the current US armada in the Mediterranean and the Red Sea: In the Mediterranean the Gerald Ford + four Arleigh Burke destroyers. As well as the Eisenhower with additional destroyers. Also four squadrons of aircraft, and missile equipped submarine. In the Red Sea are the Bataan, the Carney and 3 additional large scale military craft are being added. Given that the operational cost for 1 Arleigh Burke per tour is $81 million, the daily and weekly expense of maintaining this armada could be predicted to be staggering. Given the extent of this very, very expensive protective shield around Israel, it is not surprising that state actors are operating very carefully, understanding full well that Biden and Blinkin are hoping for a legitimate trigger to unleash the full power of this group, as well as effectively establishing a cordon around Israel, allowing them to proceed unimpeded in their genocide. Meanwhile, the operational costs can be expected further exacerbate the US debt which is at unprecedented levels, and whose cost of borrowing has significantly elevated with the increase in interest rates. State actors now have only to stand by and watch the US implode financially. Israel, spending more than 250 million per day, has already imploded its economy. Both countries are in negative territory as regards financial ratings. Inquiring minds would predict that this level of expense is unsustainable and the true fiscal costs are being hidden from US/Israeli citizens Posted by: abierno | Nov 18 2023 16:46 utc | 49 Hopefully there is someone on this thread who can add up the weekly costs of the current US armada in the Mediterranean and the Red Sea: In the Mediterranean the Gerald Ford + four Arleigh Burke destroyers. As well as the Eisenhower with additional destroyers. Also four squadrons of aircraft, and missile equipped submarine. In the Red Sea are the Bataan, the Carney and 3 additional large scale military craft are being added. Given that the operational cost for 1 Arleigh Burke per tour is $81 million, the daily and weekly expense of maintaining this armada could be predicted to be staggering. Given the extent of this very, very expensive protective shield around Israel, it is not surprising that state actors are operating very carefully, understanding full well that Biden and Blinkin are hoping for a legitimate trigger to unleash the full power of this group, as well as effectively establishing a cordon around Israel, allowing them to proceed unimpeded in their genocide. Meanwhile, the operational costs can be expected further exacerbate the US debt which is at unprecedented levels, and whose cost of borrowing has significantly elevated with the increase in interest rates. State actors now have only to stand by and watch the US implode financially. Israel, spending more than 250 million per day, has already imploded its economy. Both countries are in negative territory as regards financial ratings. Inquiring minds would predict that this level of expense is unsustainable and the true fiscal costs are being hidden from US/Israeli citizens Posted by: abierno | Nov 18 2023 16:46 utc | 50 I just hope that somebody is protecting Al- Asqa. A few bombs there could easely wreck total havoc, and will suit the Israeli fine. Why should they not take it now and blame it on the Hezbolla or Hamas? Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 18 2023 16:57 utc | 51 I just hope that somebody is protecting Al- Asqa. A few bombs there could easely wreck total havoc, and will suit the Israeli fine. Why should they not take it now and blame it on the Hezbolla or Hamas? Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 18 2023 16:57 utc | 52 Montreal is no stranger to school sholtings. What can you do to help? Turn down the rhetoric. No calls for genocide on either side. Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 16:59 utc | 53 Montreal is no stranger to school sholtings. What can you do to help? Turn down the rhetoric. No calls for genocide on either side. Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 16:59 utc | 54 The Israeli NGO, Zaka Search and Rescue, reported that they removed 260 bodies from the Nova Music Festival, of which 200 were Israelis who had been killed by Apache helicopters. That probably menas the remaining 60 were either Palestinians or foreigners, also killed by the IDF. I do not see how the IDF could accidentally kill hundreds of kids at a rave. It had to be deliberate. Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 55 The Israeli NGO, Zaka Search and Rescue, reported that they removed 260 bodies from the Nova Music Festival, of which 200 were Israelis who had been killed by Apache helicopters. That probably menas the remaining 60 were either Palestinians or foreigners, also killed by the IDF. I do not see how the IDF could accidentally kill hundreds of kids at a rave. It had to be deliberate. Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 56 “I just hope that somebody is protecting Al- Asqa. A few bombs there could easely wreck total havoc, and will suit the Israeli fine. Why should they not take it now and blame it on the Hezbolla or Hamas?” Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:36 utc | 57 “I just hope that somebody is protecting Al- Asqa. A few bombs there could easely wreck total havoc, and will suit the Israeli fine. Why should they not take it now and blame it on the Hezbolla or Hamas?” Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:36 utc | 58 Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 27 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 17:38 utc | 59 Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 27 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 17:38 utc | 60 Lebanese TV : Posted by: Exile | Nov 18 2023 18:02 utc | 61 Lebanese TV : Posted by: Exile | Nov 18 2023 18:02 utc | 62 Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 27
According to Max Blumenthal, in today’s interview in RT’s “Going Underground” show, it was neither a false flag (where the Israeli government would have staged the whole thing) nor a simple LIHOP (where they see it coming but take no defensive action whatsoever, because they, for political reasons, secretly welcome the attacks). Rather, Hamas did certain things and then the IDF got involved, and they pointed their helicopter guns and artillery at the festival visitors, or at residential buildings of a kibbuz, killing many of their own countrymen. These victims were, of course, later blamed on Hamas. Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 63 Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 27
According to Max Blumenthal, in today’s interview in RT’s “Going Underground” show, it was neither a false flag (where the Israeli government would have staged the whole thing) nor a simple LIHOP (where they see it coming but take no defensive action whatsoever, because they, for political reasons, secretly welcome the attacks). Rather, Hamas did certain things and then the IDF got involved, and they pointed their helicopter guns and artillery at the festival visitors, or at residential buildings of a kibbuz, killing many of their own countrymen. These victims were, of course, later blamed on Hamas. Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 64 Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 18 2023 18:35 utc | 65 Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 18 2023 18:35 utc | 66 Exchanging hostages has proved to be expensive and time consuming, which is not to Netanyahu’s liking. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 18:46 utc | 67 Exchanging hostages has proved to be expensive and time consuming, which is not to Netanyahu’s liking. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 18:46 utc | 68 Spain has been outspoken about the zionists. It is now about to officially recognize Palestine as a state. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 18:54 utc | 69 Spain has been outspoken about the zionists. It is now about to officially recognize Palestine as a state. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 18:54 utc | 70 Jeremy Corbyn called Hamas a terrorist group in The Tribune yesterday: Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 19:02 utc | 71 Jeremy Corbyn called Hamas a terrorist group in The Tribune yesterday: Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 19:02 utc | 72 Israel perpetrates a massacre in the Al Fakhura School in Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza, killing and wounding dozens of displaced civilians.” Posted by: Pq | Nov 18 2023 19:15 utc | 73 Israel perpetrates a massacre in the Al Fakhura School in Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza, killing and wounding dozens of displaced civilians.” Posted by: Pq | Nov 18 2023 19:15 utc | 74 Part of the problem for the Arab states is that Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas, should the win out, are unlikely to be allies for most of them. So, while they may not like Israel, do they really want these radical groups to be the replacement? Seems unlikely. Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 75 Part of the problem for the Arab states is that Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas, should the win out, are unlikely to be allies for most of them. So, while they may not like Israel, do they really want these radical groups to be the replacement? Seems unlikely. Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 76 Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 18:46 utc | 33 Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 19:35 utc | 77 Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 18:46 utc | 33 Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 19:35 utc | 78 Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 36 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 19:37 utc | 79 Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 36 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 19:37 utc | 80 It’s well known that abused turn into abusers. Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 18 2023 19:40 utc | 81 It’s well known that abused turn into abusers. Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 18 2023 19:40 utc | 82 Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas, should the win out, are unlikely to be allies for most of them. Posted by: laguerre | Nov 18 2023 19:44 utc | 83 Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas, should the win out, are unlikely to be allies for most of them. Posted by: laguerre | Nov 18 2023 19:44 utc | 84 JB 10 Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 20:07 utc | 85 JB 10 Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 20:07 utc | 86 Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 16 Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 18 2023 20:08 utc | 87 Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 16 Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 18 2023 20:08 utc | 88 It’s well known that abused turn into abusers.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 18 2023 20:17 utc | 89 It’s well known that abused turn into abusers.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 18 2023 20:17 utc | 90 Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 31 Posted by: Sir Reginald | Nov 18 2023 20:36 utc | 91 Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 31 Posted by: Sir Reginald | Nov 18 2023 20:36 utc | 92 There has NEVER been a “solidarity” in the last 70 years of Palestinian/Israeli conflict… Posted by: laguerre | Nov 18 2023 20:45 utc | 93 There has NEVER been a “solidarity” in the last 70 years of Palestinian/Israeli conflict… Posted by: laguerre | Nov 18 2023 20:45 utc | 94 @ Aleph_Null | Nov 18 2023 20:17 utc | 43 Posted by: Cabe | Nov 18 2023 20:59 utc | 95 @ Aleph_Null | Nov 18 2023 20:17 utc | 43 Posted by: Cabe | Nov 18 2023 20:59 utc | 96 US Says Release of Hostages Needed for Gaza to Get More Aid Posted by: bubbles | Nov 18 2023 21:00 utc | 97 US Says Release of Hostages Needed for Gaza to Get More Aid Posted by: bubbles | Nov 18 2023 21:00 utc | 98
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