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November 18, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-275

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Scenes from Al Shifa Hospital following the Israeli occupation forces order to evacuate everyone from medical crews to injuries and patients. 18.11.23
https://t.me/eyeonpal/5584

Posted by: Pq | Nov 18 2023 12:19 utc | 1

Scenes from Al Shifa Hospital following the Israeli occupation forces order to evacuate everyone from medical crews to injuries and patients. 18.11.23
https://t.me/eyeonpal/5584

Posted by: Pq | Nov 18 2023 12:19 utc | 2

How long until Zionist bs returns to it’s dominant position?
Right now accusatory words like antisemitism ring hollow and hypocritical;
The Holocaust as a bludgeon for silence is the same.
But the propagandists will not skip a beat and people have short memory spans.

Posted by: librul | Nov 18 2023 12:26 utc | 3

How long until Zionist bs returns to it’s dominant position?
Right now accusatory words like antisemitism ring hollow and hypocritical;
The Holocaust as a bludgeon for silence is the same.
But the propagandists will not skip a beat and people have short memory spans.

Posted by: librul | Nov 18 2023 12:26 utc | 4

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/20818
This is some nefarious stuff. All Palestinians leaving the north are put through a id process before leaving. Facial recognition smartphone qcodes . The digital passport as such . Israel is obviously using this data for war purposes not some benevolent humanitarian documentation. Can imagine it will be moved to Egypt bordee before final expulsion and any persons wanted will be gathered and disappeared

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 18 2023 12:31 utc | 5

https://t.me/ResistanceTrench/20818
This is some nefarious stuff. All Palestinians leaving the north are put through a id process before leaving. Facial recognition smartphone qcodes . The digital passport as such . Israel is obviously using this data for war purposes not some benevolent humanitarian documentation. Can imagine it will be moved to Egypt bordee before final expulsion and any persons wanted will be gathered and disappeared

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 18 2023 12:31 utc | 6

we crossed a red line here, it seems NATO (white genociders) vs BRICS world war is coming.
Everyone can see who runs US/EU/NATO and the media now. Questioning them will get you fired.
Credibility of these institutions has gone to zero.

Posted by: cafe_con_leche2 | Nov 18 2023 12:35 utc | 7

we crossed a red line here, it seems NATO (white genociders) vs BRICS world war is coming.
Everyone can see who runs US/EU/NATO and the media now. Questioning them will get you fired.
Credibility of these institutions has gone to zero.

Posted by: cafe_con_leche2 | Nov 18 2023 12:35 utc | 8

Well, there goes your so called “international law” down the toilet like the bulllshit it’s always been.
Just like your “international community” which was always just a white boy’s club.
I’ll think twice the next time I see “international …” on anything I buy from now on …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 13:09 utc | 9

Well, there goes your so called “international law” down the toilet like the bulllshit it’s always been.
Just like your “international community” which was always just a white boy’s club.
I’ll think twice the next time I see “international …” on anything I buy from now on …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 13:09 utc | 10

I can not be alone in being revolted by both Hamas & Nuttyahoo.
As well as the deep divisions the Gaza war/ genocide is exposing in pretty much every society.
The big question for me is: Is the US/Anglo empire mad enough to be thinking ‘at last, a wider ME conflict which will take us all the way to Tehran? OR is said empire blindsided by events and while unable to control the current Tel Aviv regime also alarmed that escalation could see them losing even more control & influence.
Time will tell.
The failure of the Arab nations to break ties with Israel or even offer up much criticism at all – is either smart (an attempt to not inflame the situation and play into the potential US/Anglo wider war ambition) OR weak (total failure to demonstrate solidarity with Palestinians) – Again, time will tell.
But the outlook is not great, more suffering & bloodshed, more wasted resources, more social & economic instability are all going to be hard to avoid. Where is the will to avoid it going to come from ?

Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 11

I can not be alone in being revolted by both Hamas & Nuttyahoo.
As well as the deep divisions the Gaza war/ genocide is exposing in pretty much every society.
The big question for me is: Is the US/Anglo empire mad enough to be thinking ‘at last, a wider ME conflict which will take us all the way to Tehran? OR is said empire blindsided by events and while unable to control the current Tel Aviv regime also alarmed that escalation could see them losing even more control & influence.
Time will tell.
The failure of the Arab nations to break ties with Israel or even offer up much criticism at all – is either smart (an attempt to not inflame the situation and play into the potential US/Anglo wider war ambition) OR weak (total failure to demonstrate solidarity with Palestinians) – Again, time will tell.
But the outlook is not great, more suffering & bloodshed, more wasted resources, more social & economic instability are all going to be hard to avoid. Where is the will to avoid it going to come from ?

Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 12

There are many potential hidden strategic reasons for the current Gaza war, religious, economic, military, land grab etc.
The Gaza Marine, a major natural gas field located 36 kilometers (22 mi) off the coast of the Gaza Strip at a depth of 610 meters, could be one of them, if not the major reason. A find capable of transforming Gaza in the same way as the North Sea did for the UK and Norway and earlier, Holland.
Strange we hear nothing about it in the western MSM.
This is a link to a map showing it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_L5sombkAAsxFO?format=jpg&name=small

Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 18 2023 13:27 utc | 13

There are many potential hidden strategic reasons for the current Gaza war, religious, economic, military, land grab etc.
The Gaza Marine, a major natural gas field located 36 kilometers (22 mi) off the coast of the Gaza Strip at a depth of 610 meters, could be one of them, if not the major reason. A find capable of transforming Gaza in the same way as the North Sea did for the UK and Norway and earlier, Holland.
Strange we hear nothing about it in the western MSM.
This is a link to a map showing it.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_L5sombkAAsxFO?format=jpg&name=small

Posted by: JohninMK | Nov 18 2023 13:27 utc | 14

Pq1
F*** Israel.
May they all burn in hell.

Posted by: anon | Nov 18 2023 13:29 utc | 15

Pq1
F*** Israel.
May they all burn in hell.

Posted by: anon | Nov 18 2023 13:29 utc | 16

Hankster | Nov 18 2023 12:31 utc | 3
Israel is obviously using this data for war purposes not some benevolent humanitarian documentation. Can imagine it will be moved to Egypt bordee before final expulsion and any persons wanted will be gathered and disappeared
I agree Hank
Humanitarian and benevolent?
Doesn’t exist in these creatures
This murderous vampiric cult feasts on pain, suffering and death.
They will pursue any percieved enemy or slight to the ends of the earth in their rabid revenge no matter the cost because they are insane.
They are happy to fry their own people to hang on to their victim card
I pin my hopes on the beggaring of its host

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 13:42 utc | 17

Hankster | Nov 18 2023 12:31 utc | 3
Israel is obviously using this data for war purposes not some benevolent humanitarian documentation. Can imagine it will be moved to Egypt bordee before final expulsion and any persons wanted will be gathered and disappeared
I agree Hank
Humanitarian and benevolent?
Doesn’t exist in these creatures
This murderous vampiric cult feasts on pain, suffering and death.
They will pursue any percieved enemy or slight to the ends of the earth in their rabid revenge no matter the cost because they are insane.
They are happy to fry their own people to hang on to their victim card
I pin my hopes on the beggaring of its host

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 13:42 utc | 18

18.11 2023 – WORLD FOOD PROGRAM: Gaza is facing famine and all bakeries in the Strip have stopped.
Erdogan today: machine translation, Ria Novosti
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday that Israel is holding about ten thousand Palestinians.
“Israel is holding about ten thousand Palestinians hostage. Let Germany take steps to have these people released, and then we will make efforts to free those held by Hamas. But they (Germany) did not agree to this,” Erdogan said at a meeting of the council of the Turkish Students’ Association.
He also noted that during his visit to Germany, he was convinced that “the whole Western world and the imperialist structure of the crusaders are together.”

Posted by: JB | Nov 18 2023 14:04 utc | 19

18.11 2023 – WORLD FOOD PROGRAM: Gaza is facing famine and all bakeries in the Strip have stopped.
Erdogan today: machine translation, Ria Novosti
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday that Israel is holding about ten thousand Palestinians.
“Israel is holding about ten thousand Palestinians hostage. Let Germany take steps to have these people released, and then we will make efforts to free those held by Hamas. But they (Germany) did not agree to this,” Erdogan said at a meeting of the council of the Turkish Students’ Association.
He also noted that during his visit to Germany, he was convinced that “the whole Western world and the imperialist structure of the crusaders are together.”

Posted by: JB | Nov 18 2023 14:04 utc | 20

RE: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6
“OR weak (total failure to demonstrate solidarity with Palestinians) – Again, time will tell.”
There has NEVER been a “solidarity” in the last 70 years of Palestinian/Israeli conflict… as “time has told” that obvious fact already.
All the surrounding Arab nations now have to decide, is how much of their own territory will they turn over without a fight in the future. That’s all that’s on their mind. Or do they end it here?
It would appear they’ll sleep on it and figure that out another day.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 18 2023 14:08 utc | 21

RE: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6
“OR weak (total failure to demonstrate solidarity with Palestinians) – Again, time will tell.”
There has NEVER been a “solidarity” in the last 70 years of Palestinian/Israeli conflict… as “time has told” that obvious fact already.
All the surrounding Arab nations now have to decide, is how much of their own territory will they turn over without a fight in the future. That’s all that’s on their mind. Or do they end it here?
It would appear they’ll sleep on it and figure that out another day.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 18 2023 14:08 utc | 22

“Israel perpetrates a massacre in the Al Fakhura School in Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza, killing and wounding dozens of displaced civilians.”
https://t.me/myLordBebo/13740

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:31 utc | 23

“Israel perpetrates a massacre in the Al Fakhura School in Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza, killing and wounding dozens of displaced civilians.”
https://t.me/myLordBebo/13740

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:31 utc | 24

Wall Street Journal (WSJ)enables ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
The WSJ permitted two Israeli Knesset members to publish an opinion piece (it is behind a paywall)
urging Western nations to accept Palestinians forced out of Gaza.
One of these critters, Danny Danon, was Israel’s Ambassador to the UN. He is a high member of Likud and his is a name
that you might want to remember as the vultures are circling for Netanyahu’s hide and this critter wants power.
The other author was deputy director of Mossad before he became a politician.
The WSJ permits Mossad to publish opinion pieces urging ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-west-should-welcome-gaza-refugees-asylum-seekers-hamas-terrorism-displacement-5d2b5890

Posted by: librul | Nov 18 2023 14:34 utc | 25

Wall Street Journal (WSJ)enables ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
The WSJ permitted two Israeli Knesset members to publish an opinion piece (it is behind a paywall)
urging Western nations to accept Palestinians forced out of Gaza.
One of these critters, Danny Danon, was Israel’s Ambassador to the UN. He is a high member of Likud and his is a name
that you might want to remember as the vultures are circling for Netanyahu’s hide and this critter wants power.
The other author was deputy director of Mossad before he became a politician.
The WSJ permits Mossad to publish opinion pieces urging ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-west-should-welcome-gaza-refugees-asylum-seekers-hamas-terrorism-displacement-5d2b5890

Posted by: librul | Nov 18 2023 14:34 utc | 26

CBN News Headline:
“Terrified Palestinian Christians fear genocide, murder at the hands of Islamic extremists, Hamas …”
(Both, genocide and murder!? A twofer!)
This is the kind of eye watering stupidity you get from the American fundamentalist Christian media …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 14:34 utc | 27

CBN News Headline:
“Terrified Palestinian Christians fear genocide, murder at the hands of Islamic extremists, Hamas …”
(Both, genocide and murder!? A twofer!)
This is the kind of eye watering stupidity you get from the American fundamentalist Christian media …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 14:34 utc | 28

Israel-Palestine Weekly Update 17th Nov – May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/israel-palestine-weekly-update

Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Nov 18 2023 14:53 utc | 29

Israel-Palestine Weekly Update 17th Nov – May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/israel-palestine-weekly-update

Posted by: Robert Hamilton Camp | Nov 18 2023 14:53 utc | 30

where are my striped pajamas?
My crime is that of living
on my ancestral home
gave to men that hate me
by some king upon a throne
I sit upon the rubble
deep beneath my family lies
even though I know they’re gone
I still hear my daughter’s cries
They came and stole our land
the country of our birth
burnd our fields and left us
this little patch of Earth.
Even this they can’t abide
so finally it’s genocide
you watched this time on tv
and still you looked away
where is my museum?
selective holocaust
ther’ve been so many Mai Lais
since humanity was lost

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 31

where are my striped pajamas?
My crime is that of living
on my ancestral home
gave to men that hate me
by some king upon a throne
I sit upon the rubble
deep beneath my family lies
even though I know they’re gone
I still hear my daughter’s cries
They came and stole our land
the country of our birth
burnd our fields and left us
this little patch of Earth.
Even this they can’t abide
so finally it’s genocide
you watched this time on tv
and still you looked away
where is my museum?
selective holocaust
ther’ve been so many Mai Lais
since humanity was lost

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 32

Awww, what a happy family. Simplicius reads me. I read Simplicius.
I said: Say, what’s up with the empire — at this juncture — releasing Iran’s own money — a batch from Iraq — from the pound. Speaking of the pound, is this hush money to keep the dogs back in the pound, and stop them from barking?

Simplicius says: That’s right—this is my second reason as proof. Biden is now offering to bribe Iran with a massive $10B as concession to make them stop escalating.

And says this for that barfly anon: The U.S. is acting as a rudderless ship, rushing to the MidEast out of reflex with no clear gameplan, and is in fact terrified of Iranian escalations.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israel-and-americas-growing-zugzwang

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 18 2023 15:31 utc | 33

Awww, what a happy family. Simplicius reads me. I read Simplicius.
I said: Say, what’s up with the empire — at this juncture — releasing Iran’s own money — a batch from Iraq — from the pound. Speaking of the pound, is this hush money to keep the dogs back in the pound, and stop them from barking?

Simplicius says: That’s right—this is my second reason as proof. Biden is now offering to bribe Iran with a massive $10B as concession to make them stop escalating.

And says this for that barfly anon: The U.S. is acting as a rudderless ship, rushing to the MidEast out of reflex with no clear gameplan, and is in fact terrified of Iranian escalations.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israel-and-americas-growing-zugzwang

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Nov 18 2023 15:31 utc | 34

The US game plan is as ancient as they come: divide and conquer.
Smack down any upstart power.

Posted by: Seer | Nov 18 2023 15:51 utc | 35

The US game plan is as ancient as they come: divide and conquer.
Smack down any upstart power.

Posted by: Seer | Nov 18 2023 15:51 utc | 36

“The big question for me is: Is the US/Anglo empire mad enough to be thinking ‘at last, a wider ME conflict which will take us all the way to Tehran?”
Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6
The US/Anglo empire will do what it’s told.

Posted by: dh | Nov 18 2023 15:52 utc | 37

“The big question for me is: Is the US/Anglo empire mad enough to be thinking ‘at last, a wider ME conflict which will take us all the way to Tehran?”
Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6
The US/Anglo empire will do what it’s told.

Posted by: dh | Nov 18 2023 15:52 utc | 38

At Concordia University in Montreal there was a physical fight this week because of the Palestine issue between the usual suspects. Now a 15-million class-action lawsuit has been filed against the university and the student union.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:20 utc | 39

At Concordia University in Montreal there was a physical fight this week because of the Palestine issue between the usual suspects. Now a 15-million class-action lawsuit has been filed against the university and the student union.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:20 utc | 40

Montreal is no stranger to school sholtings. What can you do to help? Turn down the rhetoric. No calls for genocide on either side.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:23 utc | 41

Montreal is no stranger to school sholtings. What can you do to help? Turn down the rhetoric. No calls for genocide on either side.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:23 utc | 42

Well, on we go with business as usual save for the manifest defeat of the West in Ukraine which has now been eclipsed by the persistent impunity of Israel to pursue its Nazi post-holocaust heritage. Only Russia’s steadfast stance accomplished the former and I suspect that only similar insistence on the part of the U.S. public (“don’t hold your breath” being the appropriate expectation) could accomplish the latter (writing our congresscriters elicits the usual weasel-worded replies): so much for ‘the rest of the world’ and the farce that is the U.N.
Kudos to ‘b’ for holding the fort here just in case it may eventually lead to some less dismal outcome. Is attention to MoA and places like Consortium News growing at a sufficient pace to generate at least s modicum of optimism, or are people like me abandoning their better natures and moving to the “For every Israeli that dies there’s a song in my heart” attitude and only continuing their personal resistance?
Anyone think they know where the beef is?

Posted by: StirThePot | Nov 18 2023 16:40 utc | 43

Well, on we go with business as usual save for the manifest defeat of the West in Ukraine which has now been eclipsed by the persistent impunity of Israel to pursue its Nazi post-holocaust heritage. Only Russia’s steadfast stance accomplished the former and I suspect that only similar insistence on the part of the U.S. public (“don’t hold your breath” being the appropriate expectation) could accomplish the latter (writing our congresscriters elicits the usual weasel-worded replies): so much for ‘the rest of the world’ and the farce that is the U.N.
Kudos to ‘b’ for holding the fort here just in case it may eventually lead to some less dismal outcome. Is attention to MoA and places like Consortium News growing at a sufficient pace to generate at least s modicum of optimism, or are people like me abandoning their better natures and moving to the “For every Israeli that dies there’s a song in my heart” attitude and only continuing their personal resistance?
Anyone think they know where the beef is?

Posted by: StirThePot | Nov 18 2023 16:40 utc | 44

Well, on we go with business as usual save for the manifest defeat of the West in Ukraine which has now been eclipsed by the persistent impunity of Israel to pursue its Nazi post-holocaust heritage. Only Russia’s steadfast stance accomplished the former and I suspect that only similar insistence on the part of the U.S. public (“don’t hold your breath” being the appropriate expectation) could accomplish the latter (writing our congresscriters elicits the usual weasel-worded replies): so much for ‘the rest of the world’ and the farce that is the U.N.
Kudos to ‘b’ for holding the fort here just in case it may eventually lead to some less dismal outcome. Is attention to MoA and places like Consortium News growing at a sufficient pace to generate at least s modicum of optimism, or are people like me abandoning their better natures and moving to the “For every Israeli that dies there’s a song in my heart” attitude and only continuing their personal resistance?
Anyone think they know where the beef is?

Posted by: StirThePot | Nov 18 2023 16:40 utc | 45

Well, on we go with business as usual save for the manifest defeat of the West in Ukraine which has now been eclipsed by the persistent impunity of Israel to pursue its Nazi post-holocaust heritage. Only Russia’s steadfast stance accomplished the former and I suspect that only similar insistence on the part of the U.S. public (“don’t hold your breath” being the appropriate expectation) could accomplish the latter (writing our congresscriters elicits the usual weasel-worded replies): so much for ‘the rest of the world’ and the farce that is the U.N.
Kudos to ‘b’ for holding the fort here just in case it may eventually lead to some less dismal outcome. Is attention to MoA and places like Consortium News growing at a sufficient pace to generate at least s modicum of optimism, or are people like me abandoning their better natures and moving to the “For every Israeli that dies there’s a song in my heart” attitude and only continuing their personal resistance?
Anyone think they know where the beef is?

Posted by: StirThePot | Nov 18 2023 16:40 utc | 46

It bothers me seeing all those helpless Palestinians being murdered. I wish they would do something to make their last few days meaningful, like a mass rush against the Gaza fence. Put some bulldozers out front, smash the fences again and pour into their ancestral homeland in their hundreds of thousands. Better to die quickly and with dignity from Jewish machine guns than being thirsted and starved to death in the rubble of Gaza. Many will make it to Jewish towns. It might be enough of a wake up call to the rest of the world to see Israel murdering thousands of Palestinians at once with machine guns to shock the world into stopping the horror that is Israel.

Posted by: Chas | Nov 18 2023 16:44 utc | 47

It bothers me seeing all those helpless Palestinians being murdered. I wish they would do something to make their last few days meaningful, like a mass rush against the Gaza fence. Put some bulldozers out front, smash the fences again and pour into their ancestral homeland in their hundreds of thousands. Better to die quickly and with dignity from Jewish machine guns than being thirsted and starved to death in the rubble of Gaza. Many will make it to Jewish towns. It might be enough of a wake up call to the rest of the world to see Israel murdering thousands of Palestinians at once with machine guns to shock the world into stopping the horror that is Israel.

Posted by: Chas | Nov 18 2023 16:44 utc | 48

Hopefully there is someone on this thread who can add up the weekly costs of the current US armada in the Mediterranean and the Red Sea: In the Mediterranean the Gerald Ford + four Arleigh Burke destroyers. As well as the Eisenhower with additional destroyers. Also four squadrons of aircraft, and missile equipped submarine. In the Red Sea are the Bataan, the Carney and 3 additional large scale military craft are being added. Given that the operational cost for 1 Arleigh Burke per tour is $81 million, the daily and weekly expense of maintaining this armada could be predicted to be staggering. Given the extent of this very, very expensive protective shield around Israel, it is not surprising that state actors are operating very carefully, understanding full well that Biden and Blinkin are hoping for a legitimate trigger to unleash the full power of this group, as well as effectively establishing a cordon around Israel, allowing them to proceed unimpeded in their genocide. Meanwhile, the operational costs can be expected further exacerbate the US debt which is at unprecedented levels, and whose cost of borrowing has significantly elevated with the increase in interest rates. State actors now have only to stand by and watch the US implode financially. Israel, spending more than 250 million per day, has already imploded its economy. Both countries are in negative territory as regards financial ratings. Inquiring minds would predict that this level of expense is unsustainable and the true fiscal costs are being hidden from US/Israeli citizens

Posted by: abierno | Nov 18 2023 16:46 utc | 49

Hopefully there is someone on this thread who can add up the weekly costs of the current US armada in the Mediterranean and the Red Sea: In the Mediterranean the Gerald Ford + four Arleigh Burke destroyers. As well as the Eisenhower with additional destroyers. Also four squadrons of aircraft, and missile equipped submarine. In the Red Sea are the Bataan, the Carney and 3 additional large scale military craft are being added. Given that the operational cost for 1 Arleigh Burke per tour is $81 million, the daily and weekly expense of maintaining this armada could be predicted to be staggering. Given the extent of this very, very expensive protective shield around Israel, it is not surprising that state actors are operating very carefully, understanding full well that Biden and Blinkin are hoping for a legitimate trigger to unleash the full power of this group, as well as effectively establishing a cordon around Israel, allowing them to proceed unimpeded in their genocide. Meanwhile, the operational costs can be expected further exacerbate the US debt which is at unprecedented levels, and whose cost of borrowing has significantly elevated with the increase in interest rates. State actors now have only to stand by and watch the US implode financially. Israel, spending more than 250 million per day, has already imploded its economy. Both countries are in negative territory as regards financial ratings. Inquiring minds would predict that this level of expense is unsustainable and the true fiscal costs are being hidden from US/Israeli citizens

Posted by: abierno | Nov 18 2023 16:46 utc | 50

I just hope that somebody is protecting Al- Asqa. A few bombs there could easely wreck total havoc, and will suit the Israeli fine. Why should they not take it now and blame it on the Hezbolla or Hamas?

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 18 2023 16:57 utc | 51

I just hope that somebody is protecting Al- Asqa. A few bombs there could easely wreck total havoc, and will suit the Israeli fine. Why should they not take it now and blame it on the Hezbolla or Hamas?

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 18 2023 16:57 utc | 52

Montreal is no stranger to school sholtings. What can you do to help? Turn down the rhetoric. No calls for genocide on either side.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:23 utc | 21
Montreal a cesspoole of canada’s largest diaspora
of course there will be blood at a multicultural university s the Jews get more… Hazbratty
only one side is genocidal

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 16:59 utc | 53

Montreal is no stranger to school sholtings. What can you do to help? Turn down the rhetoric. No calls for genocide on either side.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 16:23 utc | 21
Montreal a cesspoole of canada’s largest diaspora
of course there will be blood at a multicultural university s the Jews get more… Hazbratty
only one side is genocidal

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 16:59 utc | 54

The Israeli NGO, Zaka Search and Rescue, reported that they removed 260 bodies from the Nova Music Festival, of which 200 were Israelis who had been killed by Apache helicopters. That probably menas the remaining 60 were either Palestinians or foreigners, also killed by the IDF. I do not see how the IDF could accidentally kill hundreds of kids at a rave. It had to be deliberate.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-11-17-israels-aerial-attack-killed-over-260-civilian.html

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 55

The Israeli NGO, Zaka Search and Rescue, reported that they removed 260 bodies from the Nova Music Festival, of which 200 were Israelis who had been killed by Apache helicopters. That probably menas the remaining 60 were either Palestinians or foreigners, also killed by the IDF. I do not see how the IDF could accidentally kill hundreds of kids at a rave. It had to be deliberate.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-11-17-israels-aerial-attack-killed-over-260-civilian.html

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 56

“I just hope that somebody is protecting Al- Asqa. A few bombs there could easely wreck total havoc, and will suit the Israeli fine. Why should they not take it now and blame it on the Hezbolla or Hamas?”
Mohammed never set foot in Jerusalem. The AL Aqsa mosque is just Muslims claiming a holy Christian site for no reason other than because they could.
The AL Aqsa mosque has a message that blasphemes Christ written on its exterior. It is begging to be destroyed. I hope it does get destroyed. And I hope the Jews get expelled from Palestine, too.
A pox on both their houses.

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:36 utc | 57

“I just hope that somebody is protecting Al- Asqa. A few bombs there could easely wreck total havoc, and will suit the Israeli fine. Why should they not take it now and blame it on the Hezbolla or Hamas?”
Mohammed never set foot in Jerusalem. The AL Aqsa mosque is just Muslims claiming a holy Christian site for no reason other than because they could.
The AL Aqsa mosque has a message that blasphemes Christ written on its exterior. It is begging to be destroyed. I hope it does get destroyed. And I hope the Jews get expelled from Palestine, too.
A pox on both their houses.

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:36 utc | 58

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 27
If so, somebody has to have the guts to say it: a false flag.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 17:38 utc | 59

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 27
If so, somebody has to have the guts to say it: a false flag.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 17:38 utc | 60

Lebanese TV :
…. Al-Quds Brigades says Two Israeli tanks and a bulldozer were destroyed in Beit Hanoun and west of Beit Lahi……
Tally now 86 MBTs claimed to be knocked out

Posted by: Exile | Nov 18 2023 18:02 utc | 61

Lebanese TV :
…. Al-Quds Brigades says Two Israeli tanks and a bulldozer were destroyed in Beit Hanoun and west of Beit Lahi……
Tally now 86 MBTs claimed to be knocked out

Posted by: Exile | Nov 18 2023 18:02 utc | 62

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 27

If so, somebody has to have the guts to say it: a false flag.

According to Max Blumenthal, in today’s interview in RT’s “Going Underground” show, it was neither a false flag (where the Israeli government would have staged the whole thing) nor a simple LIHOP (where they see it coming but take no defensive action whatsoever, because they, for political reasons, secretly welcome the attacks). Rather, Hamas did certain things and then the IDF got involved, and they pointed their helicopter guns and artillery at the festival visitors, or at residential buildings of a kibbuz, killing many of their own countrymen. These victims were, of course, later blamed on Hamas.
Why would the IDF do such a thing? It’s because they have the policy to preferably shoot somebody instead of letting them become hostages. Exchanging hostages has proved to be expensive and time consuming, which is not to Netanyahu’s liking.

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 63

Posted by: Rhinoskerous | Nov 18 2023 17:32 utc | 27

If so, somebody has to have the guts to say it: a false flag.

According to Max Blumenthal, in today’s interview in RT’s “Going Underground” show, it was neither a false flag (where the Israeli government would have staged the whole thing) nor a simple LIHOP (where they see it coming but take no defensive action whatsoever, because they, for political reasons, secretly welcome the attacks). Rather, Hamas did certain things and then the IDF got involved, and they pointed their helicopter guns and artillery at the festival visitors, or at residential buildings of a kibbuz, killing many of their own countrymen. These victims were, of course, later blamed on Hamas.
Why would the IDF do such a thing? It’s because they have the policy to preferably shoot somebody instead of letting them become hostages. Exchanging hostages has proved to be expensive and time consuming, which is not to Netanyahu’s liking.

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 64

Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6
‘I can not be alone in being revolted by both Hamas & Nuttyahoo.
As well as the deep divisions the Gaza war/ genocide is exposing in pretty much every society.’
Most of the Jewish community would agree with you on your revulsion toward Hamas. Most of the rest of the world in truth would not share that revulsion, understanding the extent of torture and humiliation the people of Palestine have endured from infancy to the elderly. A people incarcerated like unwanted livestock, disposesessed their native land. Hamas is the natural offspring of such a condition, a groulp with enough balls to fight back. Of course the propaganda lies we are fed would have us believe they are murdering demons. To their people they are heroes. Most aroind the world are waking up and seeing through the sea of lies Israel and its western government vassals constantly force feed us.

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 18 2023 18:35 utc | 65

Posted by: AndrewB | Nov 18 2023 13:26 utc | 6
‘I can not be alone in being revolted by both Hamas & Nuttyahoo.
As well as the deep divisions the Gaza war/ genocide is exposing in pretty much every society.’
Most of the Jewish community would agree with you on your revulsion toward Hamas. Most of the rest of the world in truth would not share that revulsion, understanding the extent of torture and humiliation the people of Palestine have endured from infancy to the elderly. A people incarcerated like unwanted livestock, disposesessed their native land. Hamas is the natural offspring of such a condition, a groulp with enough balls to fight back. Of course the propaganda lies we are fed would have us believe they are murdering demons. To their people they are heroes. Most aroind the world are waking up and seeing through the sea of lies Israel and its western government vassals constantly force feed us.

Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 18 2023 18:35 utc | 66

Exchanging hostages has proved to be expensive and time consuming, which is not to Netanyahu’s liking.
Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 31
The Gaza operation may be to Netanyahu’s liking but is it not expensive and time consuming? Supposing the hostages will ever be found alive.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 18:46 utc | 67

Exchanging hostages has proved to be expensive and time consuming, which is not to Netanyahu’s liking.
Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 31
The Gaza operation may be to Netanyahu’s liking but is it not expensive and time consuming? Supposing the hostages will ever be found alive.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 18:46 utc | 68

Spain has been outspoken about the zionists. It is now about to officially recognize Palestine as a state.
http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/biggest-protest-spain-against-catalan-amnesty-law-draws-170000-2023-11-18/ “Biggest protest in Spain against Catalan amnesty law draws 170,000”
Color revolution in progress methinks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 18:54 utc | 69

Spain has been outspoken about the zionists. It is now about to officially recognize Palestine as a state.
http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/biggest-protest-spain-against-catalan-amnesty-law-draws-170000-2023-11-18/ “Biggest protest in Spain against Catalan amnesty law draws 170,000”
Color revolution in progress methinks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 18:54 utc | 70

Jeremy Corbyn called Hamas a terrorist group in The Tribune yesterday:
“If we understand terrorism to describe the indiscriminate killing of civilians, in breach of international law, then of course Hamas is a terrorist group. The targeting of hospitals, refugee camps and so-called safe zones by the Israeli army are acts of terror too; and the killing of more than 11,000 people, half of whom are children, cannot possibly be understood as acts of self-defence.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 19:02 utc | 71

Jeremy Corbyn called Hamas a terrorist group in The Tribune yesterday:
“If we understand terrorism to describe the indiscriminate killing of civilians, in breach of international law, then of course Hamas is a terrorist group. The targeting of hospitals, refugee camps and so-called safe zones by the Israeli army are acts of terror too; and the killing of more than 11,000 people, half of whom are children, cannot possibly be understood as acts of self-defence.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 19:02 utc | 72

Israel perpetrates a massacre in the Al Fakhura School in Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza, killing and wounding dozens of displaced civilians.”
https://t.me/myLordBebo/13740
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:31 utc | 12
This is what I was terrified of in the first week when Israel kept insisting there are boogeymen in hospitals and started systematically targeting each and every one. They are absolute sadists.
“All across the Gaza Strip there are thousands of wounded with no access to treatment. Now there are no more hospitals in Gaza City and a single hospital in the whole of the northern part of the strip many of them will die of these wounds. If not most.
No longer able to provide surgeries at Ahli Hosp. The hospital is now effectively a first aid station. Hundreds of wounded now at hospital with no access to surgery. They will die from their wounds
Where do you bury a little boy’s leg?”
Dr Ghassan Abu Sitta
https://t.me/VanessaBeeley/21118?single

Posted by: Pq | Nov 18 2023 19:15 utc | 73

Israel perpetrates a massacre in the Al Fakhura School in Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza, killing and wounding dozens of displaced civilians.”
https://t.me/myLordBebo/13740
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:31 utc | 12
This is what I was terrified of in the first week when Israel kept insisting there are boogeymen in hospitals and started systematically targeting each and every one. They are absolute sadists.
“All across the Gaza Strip there are thousands of wounded with no access to treatment. Now there are no more hospitals in Gaza City and a single hospital in the whole of the northern part of the strip many of them will die of these wounds. If not most.
No longer able to provide surgeries at Ahli Hosp. The hospital is now effectively a first aid station. Hundreds of wounded now at hospital with no access to surgery. They will die from their wounds
Where do you bury a little boy’s leg?”
Dr Ghassan Abu Sitta
https://t.me/VanessaBeeley/21118?single

Posted by: Pq | Nov 18 2023 19:15 utc | 74

Part of the problem for the Arab states is that Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas, should the win out, are unlikely to be allies for most of them. So, while they may not like Israel, do they really want these radical groups to be the replacement? Seems unlikely.

Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 75

Part of the problem for the Arab states is that Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas, should the win out, are unlikely to be allies for most of them. So, while they may not like Israel, do they really want these radical groups to be the replacement? Seems unlikely.

Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 76

Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 18:46 utc | 33
Sorry for mixing you up with Rhinoskerous!

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 19:35 utc | 77

Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 18:46 utc | 33
Sorry for mixing you up with Rhinoskerous!

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 19:35 utc | 78

Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 36
When it comes to resistance organisations, the Palestinians are hardly radical. Hamas is MB so they will be allies of Turkey, Qatar, a good part of Egypt ect. No idea at the moment who the west bank movements are aligned with.
There may be other smaller groups in Gaza back by other muslim countries. But all are fighting the zionists. The over riding factor is Jerusalem and the Mosque and on that, most if not all muslim countries are united.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 19:37 utc | 79

Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 36
When it comes to resistance organisations, the Palestinians are hardly radical. Hamas is MB so they will be allies of Turkey, Qatar, a good part of Egypt ect. No idea at the moment who the west bank movements are aligned with.
There may be other smaller groups in Gaza back by other muslim countries. But all are fighting the zionists. The over riding factor is Jerusalem and the Mosque and on that, most if not all muslim countries are united.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 19:37 utc | 80

It’s well known that abused turn into abusers.
Been proved by the natzios actions.
Too many eye for eyes has left them not just blind but psychopathic.
I’m sure there were many Germans who were never nazis, but the ones who didn’t fight them were co-opted and guilty as they let themselves be.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 18 2023 19:40 utc | 81

It’s well known that abused turn into abusers.
Been proved by the natzios actions.
Too many eye for eyes has left them not just blind but psychopathic.
I’m sure there were many Germans who were never nazis, but the ones who didn’t fight them were co-opted and guilty as they let themselves be.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 18 2023 19:40 utc | 82

Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas, should the win out, are unlikely to be allies for most of them.
Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 36
How do you know? Israel has succeeded in making them allies. And in the hasbara version they’re both proxies of Iran. Sectarian splits in Islam have disappeared under the Israeli onslaught.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 18 2023 19:44 utc | 83

Neither Hezbollah nor Hamas, should the win out, are unlikely to be allies for most of them.
Posted by: Jmaas | Nov 18 2023 19:23 utc | 36
How do you know? Israel has succeeded in making them allies. And in the hasbara version they’re both proxies of Iran. Sectarian splits in Islam have disappeared under the Israeli onslaught.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 18 2023 19:44 utc | 84

JB 10
Erdogan and Iqwani Muslimeen work for USUKIS. Erdogan is like a pressure gauge on an unvented heating system.
The system is designed to run under pressure . He is part of the colonial system. He is announcing that the dial has gone into red and will shortly explode into WW3.
It’s been clear from the start that Muslim Brotherhood planned this operation from within the Empire of USUKIS, to cover up Empire ‘s failed plan to break Russia financially.
Hamas are tools to try to bump start Greater Israel in spite of Russia’s objections to the destruction of the borders of sovereign states .
Erdogan’s goal in belonging to Empire is different to Empire2 ‘s goals.
Empire 2 wants to secure colonial resources so that it can continue to be a civilised garden.
Erdogan’s goal is to awaken the sleeping Muslims of the Russian Federation who remain under Soviet oppression in spite of limited reforms.
Who came to Islam by the sword can only conceive of converting others by the sword. Empire wants to harness this violence to its own colonial goals.
Europeans feel as though they are being genociced slowly by the invasion of asylum seekers from Muslim countries who don’t share Christian values of respect for others. Empire does this deliberately. Erdogan is just the pressure guage of Empire’s great reset in which we will own nothing and have no personal opinions.
Last but not least, First Minister of Scotland Humza Yousaf is another
Muslim Brotherhood confederate of USUKIS Empire. His pressure gauge is also on the red part of the dial.
Does that mean that he cares about the Palestinians? No. His group made the problem in Gaza for which he is now sweeping the violin strings.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 20:07 utc | 85

JB 10
Erdogan and Iqwani Muslimeen work for USUKIS. Erdogan is like a pressure gauge on an unvented heating system.
The system is designed to run under pressure . He is part of the colonial system. He is announcing that the dial has gone into red and will shortly explode into WW3.
It’s been clear from the start that Muslim Brotherhood planned this operation from within the Empire of USUKIS, to cover up Empire ‘s failed plan to break Russia financially.
Hamas are tools to try to bump start Greater Israel in spite of Russia’s objections to the destruction of the borders of sovereign states .
Erdogan’s goal in belonging to Empire is different to Empire2 ‘s goals.
Empire 2 wants to secure colonial resources so that it can continue to be a civilised garden.
Erdogan’s goal is to awaken the sleeping Muslims of the Russian Federation who remain under Soviet oppression in spite of limited reforms.
Who came to Islam by the sword can only conceive of converting others by the sword. Empire wants to harness this violence to its own colonial goals.
Europeans feel as though they are being genociced slowly by the invasion of asylum seekers from Muslim countries who don’t share Christian values of respect for others. Empire does this deliberately. Erdogan is just the pressure guage of Empire’s great reset in which we will own nothing and have no personal opinions.
Last but not least, First Minister of Scotland Humza Yousaf is another
Muslim Brotherhood confederate of USUKIS Empire. His pressure gauge is also on the red part of the dial.
Does that mean that he cares about the Palestinians? No. His group made the problem in Gaza for which he is now sweeping the violin strings.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 20:07 utc | 86

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 16
Beautiful and touching, thank you
And thank you B
Slava Lira

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 18 2023 20:08 utc | 87

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 16
Beautiful and touching, thank you
And thank you B
Slava Lira

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Nov 18 2023 20:08 utc | 88

It’s well known that abused turn into abusers.
@ DunGroanin | Nov 18 2023 19:40 utc | 39

“Hurt people hurt people” caregivers are accustomed to say. We need a quantifier for the possibility of healing, as in “Most, many, or some hurt people hurt people.” On behalf of hurt people, I have to hope the cycle is not inescapable.
This is one reading of the story of Abraham, commanded by a voice he identified as God’s to slay his own son — a command retracted at the last moment by another voice, also God’s, maybe. It might be a story about breaking the intergenerational cycle of violence.
Or it might be just another encounter out on Hwy 61. Interpretations vary widely…

God said to Abraham, “Kill me a son”
Abe said “Man, you must be puttin’ me on”
God said “No!” Abe said “What?”
God said “You can do what you want Abe, but
the next time you see me comin’, you better run”
“Well,” Abe said, “where you want this killin’ done?”
God said “Out on Highway 61”

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 18 2023 20:17 utc | 89

It’s well known that abused turn into abusers.
@ DunGroanin | Nov 18 2023 19:40 utc | 39

“Hurt people hurt people” caregivers are accustomed to say. We need a quantifier for the possibility of healing, as in “Most, many, or some hurt people hurt people.” On behalf of hurt people, I have to hope the cycle is not inescapable.
This is one reading of the story of Abraham, commanded by a voice he identified as God’s to slay his own son — a command retracted at the last moment by another voice, also God’s, maybe. It might be a story about breaking the intergenerational cycle of violence.
Or it might be just another encounter out on Hwy 61. Interpretations vary widely…

God said to Abraham, “Kill me a son”
Abe said “Man, you must be puttin’ me on”
God said “No!” Abe said “What?”
God said “You can do what you want Abe, but
the next time you see me comin’, you better run”
“Well,” Abe said, “where you want this killin’ done?”
God said “Out on Highway 61”

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 18 2023 20:17 utc | 90

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 31
Why would they do such a thing?
The rave was in fact a “celebration of peace and love”
https://globalnews.ca/news/10013207/israel-attack-music-festival/amp/
Poster girl Shani was a concientous objector who had skipped compulsory military service.
What could me more repulsive to warmongering Zionazis than a bunch of peaceniks and draft dodgers?
It’s no wonder that the festival was moved closer to Gaza.

Posted by: Sir Reginald | Nov 18 2023 20:36 utc | 91

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 18:20 utc | 31
Why would they do such a thing?
The rave was in fact a “celebration of peace and love”
https://globalnews.ca/news/10013207/israel-attack-music-festival/amp/
Poster girl Shani was a concientous objector who had skipped compulsory military service.
What could me more repulsive to warmongering Zionazis than a bunch of peaceniks and draft dodgers?
It’s no wonder that the festival was moved closer to Gaza.

Posted by: Sir Reginald | Nov 18 2023 20:36 utc | 92

There has NEVER been a “solidarity” in the last 70 years of Palestinian/Israeli conflict…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 18 2023 14:08 utc | 11
Oh yes, a classic hasbara talking point. Well, there is now. Israel has succeeded in uniting all Muslims against it. That won’t necessarily lead to a grand military coalition against Israel; most of the significant Arab states can’t face Israel militarily. It’ll happen otherwise. Much like the end of the Crusades did (took a century).

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 18 2023 20:45 utc | 93

There has NEVER been a “solidarity” in the last 70 years of Palestinian/Israeli conflict…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 18 2023 14:08 utc | 11
Oh yes, a classic hasbara talking point. Well, there is now. Israel has succeeded in uniting all Muslims against it. That won’t necessarily lead to a grand military coalition against Israel; most of the significant Arab states can’t face Israel militarily. It’ll happen otherwise. Much like the end of the Crusades did (took a century).

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 18 2023 20:45 utc | 94

@ Aleph_Null | Nov 18 2023 20:17 utc | 43
A propos the situation in general:
You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last
But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast
Yonder stands your orphan with his gun
Crying like a fire in the sun
Look out the saints are comin’ through
And it’s all over now, Baby Blue

Posted by: Cabe | Nov 18 2023 20:59 utc | 95

@ Aleph_Null | Nov 18 2023 20:17 utc | 43
A propos the situation in general:
You must leave now, take what you need, you think will last
But whatever you wish to keep, you better grab it fast
Yonder stands your orphan with his gun
Crying like a fire in the sun
Look out the saints are comin’ through
And it’s all over now, Baby Blue

Posted by: Cabe | Nov 18 2023 20:59 utc | 96

US Says Release of Hostages Needed for Gaza to Get More Aid
“The surge in humanitarian relief, the surge in fuel, the pause in fighting will come when hostages are released,” said Brett McGurk, who is President Joe Biden’s Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa.”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-says-hamas-must-release-091409483.html
In plain sight of the world, which is watching, the US gov’t wants to broker life saving aid for hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians, for 200+ Israeli hostages held by hamas.
Did someone drop a magnet on their moral compass?

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 18 2023 21:00 utc | 97

US Says Release of Hostages Needed for Gaza to Get More Aid
“The surge in humanitarian relief, the surge in fuel, the pause in fighting will come when hostages are released,” said Brett McGurk, who is President Joe Biden’s Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa.”
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-says-hamas-must-release-091409483.html
In plain sight of the world, which is watching, the US gov’t wants to broker life saving aid for hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians, for 200+ Israeli hostages held by hamas.
Did someone drop a magnet on their moral compass?

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 18 2023 21:00 utc | 98

The growing assessment in Israel’s security establishment is that Hamas terrorists who committed the October 7 massacre didn’t have advance knowledge about the Nova music festival held next to Kibbutz Re’im, and decided to target the party spontaneously.
The assessment is based on terrorist interrogations and the police’s investigation of the incident, among other things, which reveal that the terrorists intended to reach Re’im and other kibbutzim nearby.
According to a police source, the investigation also shows that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some revelers. According to police, 364 people were murdered at the festival. (…)
https://archive.ph/YkVV5#selection-839.0-873.1

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 21:02 utc | 99

The growing assessment in Israel’s security establishment is that Hamas terrorists who committed the October 7 massacre didn’t have advance knowledge about the Nova music festival held next to Kibbutz Re’im, and decided to target the party spontaneously.
The assessment is based on terrorist interrogations and the police’s investigation of the incident, among other things, which reveal that the terrorists intended to reach Re’im and other kibbutzim nearby.
According to a police source, the investigation also shows that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some revelers. According to police, 364 people were murdered at the festival. (…)
https://archive.ph/YkVV5#selection-839.0-873.1

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 21:02 utc | 100