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November 14, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-271
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182,193 What about friends that refuse to hear even a word about Russia, Ukraine, Biden admin. (was one of best friends), never mind Israel- Hamas war, Palestinians, since haven’t communicated since before this began.
182,193 What about friends that refuse to hear even a word about Russia, Ukraine, Biden admin. (was one of best friends), never mind Israel- Hamas war, Palestinians, since haven’t communicated since before this began.
But again the palestinian are all waiting for Saladin to reappear, no matter how long it takes, they can wait nearly 2,000 years like the zionists did.
Posted by: Blissex | Nov 14 2023 21:30 utc | 135
“Religion can’t be divorced from social, political, and historical contexts.” (D. B. Martin)
This analogy ascribing predictive power to superficial, ethnic traits—pauline_canon:roman_ius:kurd_patrimony:palestinian_nationality:torygraph_hagiography—to any one geographical area is defective.
Grade: simile suicide
Penalty: The history of statistics : the measurement of uncertainty before 1900 (1986)
Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 15 2023 12:11 utc | 505
But again the palestinian are all waiting for Saladin to reappear, no matter how long it takes, they can wait nearly 2,000 years like the zionists did.
Posted by: Blissex | Nov 14 2023 21:30 utc | 135
“Religion can’t be divorced from social, political, and historical contexts.” (D. B. Martin)
This analogy ascribing predictive power to superficial, ethnic traits—pauline_canon:roman_ius:kurd_patrimony:palestinian_nationality:torygraph_hagiography—to any one geographical area is defective.
Grade: simile suicide
Penalty: The history of statistics : the measurement of uncertainty before 1900 (1986)
Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 15 2023 12:11 utc | 506
161 jcr Look further back in history the 1917 Balfour Declaration and political conditions surrounding WwI. Later ask yourself why was it Palestine land was taken rather than some other place.
161 jcr Look further back in history the 1917 Balfour Declaration and political conditions surrounding WwI. Later ask yourself why was it Palestine land was taken rather than some other place.
Regarding Xi – Biden in San Francisco meeting, someone said Xi will say get out of Asia and we’ll keep your economy afloat. Nothing about Israel-Hamas war or the terrible plight of the Palestinians.
Regarding Xi – Biden in San Francisco meeting, someone said Xi will say get out of Asia and we’ll keep your economy afloat. Nothing about Israel-Hamas war or the terrible plight of the Palestinians.
Our western ‘system-media’ hardly ever tell us about the terror crimes that ISRAEL has committed for years by bombing SYRIA year by year. Here is a list of the bombings in 2022 – ending with April 2023: “ISRAELI ATTACKS ON SYRIA IN THE PAST YEAR – TIMELINE” – https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/10/israeli-attacks-on-syria-in-the-past-year-a-timeline
Posted by: Jorg | Nov 15 2023 13:06 utc | 511
Our western ‘system-media’ hardly ever tell us about the terror crimes that ISRAEL has committed for years by bombing SYRIA year by year. Here is a list of the bombings in 2022 – ending with April 2023: “ISRAELI ATTACKS ON SYRIA IN THE PAST YEAR – TIMELINE” – https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/10/israeli-attacks-on-syria-in-the-past-year-a-timeline
Posted by: Jorg | Nov 15 2023 13:06 utc | 512
Things must be really bad for this to happen:
📣 What is Happening in Al-Shifa Hospital has Crossed the Limits and Cannot be Accepted – Norwegian Foreign Minister
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/39601
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 15 2023 13:12 utc | 513
Things must be really bad for this to happen:
📣 What is Happening in Al-Shifa Hospital has Crossed the Limits and Cannot be Accepted – Norwegian Foreign Minister
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/39601
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 15 2023 13:12 utc | 514
And that could be an indication that Israel does not really have nuclear weapons after all. It is in their interest for others to suppose that they do, but do they?
Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2023 17:36 utc | 74
There is not even a question whether the zionists have nukes, they do 100%. They were supplied by US/UK back in the 60s after Kennedy was eliminated. Even if by some remote chance they didn’t, after Pakistan broke their news, zionists would have gotten supplied within days.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 18:03 utc | 83
The Rosenbergs come to mind.
https://www.atomicarchive.com/resources/biographies/rosenbergs.html
Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 15 2023 10:18 utc | 249
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Israel developed its own nukes at the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center with the support of the German government, using German tax money, German contacts with the South American rat line and German WWII research results from the Heisenberg group.
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 15 2023 14:10 utc | 515
And that could be an indication that Israel does not really have nuclear weapons after all. It is in their interest for others to suppose that they do, but do they?
Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2023 17:36 utc | 74
There is not even a question whether the zionists have nukes, they do 100%. They were supplied by US/UK back in the 60s after Kennedy was eliminated. Even if by some remote chance they didn’t, after Pakistan broke their news, zionists would have gotten supplied within days.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 18:03 utc | 83
The Rosenbergs come to mind.
https://www.atomicarchive.com/resources/biographies/rosenbergs.html
Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 15 2023 10:18 utc | 249
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Israel developed its own nukes at the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center with the support of the German government, using German tax money, German contacts with the South American rat line and German WWII research results from the Heisenberg group.
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 15 2023 14:10 utc | 516
@ Posted by: JCR | Nov 15 2023 0:07 utc | 161
Hey I thought I saw you sitting there quietly, thought that meant you were the wisest in the bar, while rest of us makes fools of ourselves, bleeding hearts on sleeves , know nuthins alway crapping on about anything that the barkeep introduces as a topic for the day, ain’t that so?
Hey, Hey you’ve dipped your toe! don’t stop now! Dive on in, the waters fine, the whiskey is finer, but mines a pint of warm ale if you please? I can tell you a story of a foxy guy you might like? A man of thunder from down’der with a bag of marbless morons.
How about the rest of the bar? Anyone want to know about ancients, Brits and hefalumps, buffaloes and dodo’s no longer in your midst ? There’s gates and tolls and trolls! It’s the story of the world that was built for some to live in and for the rest of us to serve and slave in.
Or maybe 🤔’ I’ll save it for later.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 15 2023 15:03 utc | 517
@ Posted by: JCR | Nov 15 2023 0:07 utc | 161
Hey I thought I saw you sitting there quietly, thought that meant you were the wisest in the bar, while rest of us makes fools of ourselves, bleeding hearts on sleeves , know nuthins alway crapping on about anything that the barkeep introduces as a topic for the day, ain’t that so?
Hey, Hey you’ve dipped your toe! don’t stop now! Dive on in, the waters fine, the whiskey is finer, but mines a pint of warm ale if you please? I can tell you a story of a foxy guy you might like? A man of thunder from down’der with a bag of marbless morons.
How about the rest of the bar? Anyone want to know about ancients, Brits and hefalumps, buffaloes and dodo’s no longer in your midst ? There’s gates and tolls and trolls! It’s the story of the world that was built for some to live in and for the rest of us to serve and slave in.
Or maybe 🤔’ I’ll save it for later.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 15 2023 15:03 utc | 518
Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 15 2023 10:18 utc | 249
«the zionists have nukes, they do 100%. They were supplied by US/UK back in the 60s»
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 15 2023 14:10 utc | 258
«Israel developed its own nukes at the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center with the support of the German government, using German tax money, German contacts with the South American rat line and German WWII research results from the Heisenberg group».
Please enough with the framing that fission weapons are something difficult to do: China in the 1960s, India in the 1980s, poor, backwards nations developer them. The USA and USSR etc. developed them with 1940s and 1950s; there are public photos of cores being stored on a shelves in a workshop by technicians. Once the physics was known, it is a mild engineering problem. Fusion weapons look a bit more difficult from their history, but still they were developed by China in the 1960s when it was a very poor third-world nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_China
My impression is that Israel did not need anybody’s help to develop bomb tech, except for getting initial fissile material.
Note: my guess is that the MIC keeps pretending that fissile tech is an amazing secret and fusion tech is even more difficult in part to discourage some attempts, in part for career reasons.
Note: from what I have seen of reported tests etc. while developing crude weapons is relatively easy for a state, developing sophisticated ones is a rather more difficult engineering problem, and I have read “alternative” press articles saying that even the big powers cannot achieve good reliability, and the expected percentage of failed weapons is very high, part of the reason of why the big powers have so many.
Posted by: Blissex | Nov 15 2023 17:06 utc | 519
Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 15 2023 10:18 utc | 249
«the zionists have nukes, they do 100%. They were supplied by US/UK back in the 60s»
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 15 2023 14:10 utc | 258
«Israel developed its own nukes at the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center with the support of the German government, using German tax money, German contacts with the South American rat line and German WWII research results from the Heisenberg group».
Please enough with the framing that fission weapons are something difficult to do: China in the 1960s, India in the 1980s, poor, backwards nations developer them. The USA and USSR etc. developed them with 1940s and 1950s; there are public photos of cores being stored on a shelves in a workshop by technicians. Once the physics was known, it is a mild engineering problem. Fusion weapons look a bit more difficult from their history, but still they were developed by China in the 1960s when it was a very poor third-world nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_China
My impression is that Israel did not need anybody’s help to develop bomb tech, except for getting initial fissile material.
Note: my guess is that the MIC keeps pretending that fissile tech is an amazing secret and fusion tech is even more difficult in part to discourage some attempts, in part for career reasons.
Note: from what I have seen of reported tests etc. while developing crude weapons is relatively easy for a state, developing sophisticated ones is a rather more difficult engineering problem, and I have read “alternative” press articles saying that even the big powers cannot achieve good reliability, and the expected percentage of failed weapons is very high, part of the reason of why the big powers have so many.
Posted by: Blissex | Nov 15 2023 17:06 utc | 520
My impression is that Israel did not need anybody’s help to develop bomb tech, except for getting initial fissile material.
Posted by: Blissex | Nov 15 2023 17:06 utc | 260
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There is a very well-researched documentation by Gaby Weber that adequately covers this topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJClsenkrgA
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 15 2023 17:37 utc | 521
My impression is that Israel did not need anybody’s help to develop bomb tech, except for getting initial fissile material.
Posted by: Blissex | Nov 15 2023 17:06 utc | 260
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There is a very well-researched documentation by Gaby Weber that adequately covers this topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJClsenkrgA
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 15 2023 17:37 utc | 522
@252, Lavieja, I find that’s a paradox. A lot of people that don’t believe anything the media says are now believing what the media says. Double think. Double plus ungood. Quack quack.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 15 2023 17:49 utc | 523
@252, Lavieja, I find that’s a paradox. A lot of people that don’t believe anything the media says are now believing what the media says. Double think. Double plus ungood. Quack quack.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 15 2023 17:49 utc | 524
Rewarding Failure.
Zionist Blair and Zionist Cameron (complete with ermine robes but minus dead pigs) are back to sort out the Middle East situation.
Isn’t that reassuring?
Blair made such a good job of sorting out Iraq.
Cameron made such a good job of sorting out the problems of Libya and Syria.
It certainly puts my mind at rest.
Though we will have to practise our forelock tugging before we address His Lordship.
I’m sure this will boost Britain’s prestige throughout the world no end.
Posted by: anon | Nov 15 2023 17:59 utc | 525
Rewarding Failure.
Zionist Blair and Zionist Cameron (complete with ermine robes but minus dead pigs) are back to sort out the Middle East situation.
Isn’t that reassuring?
Blair made such a good job of sorting out Iraq.
Cameron made such a good job of sorting out the problems of Libya and Syria.
It certainly puts my mind at rest.
Though we will have to practise our forelock tugging before we address His Lordship.
I’m sure this will boost Britain’s prestige throughout the world no end.
Posted by: anon | Nov 15 2023 17:59 utc | 526
“What id like to know is what do we do about the jews occupying british and American govenment. Are we happy with that situation.
Considering its led to a jewish monoply of the media. That in turn leading to a completly miss-informed public. Control of our armed forces,
And forien policys ect ect
I could go on.”
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 15 2023 1:13
Most of those you are complaining about are Chrisitan Zionists, eager for the End of the World, and not very pro-jewish. Their future history includes exterminating all Jews who don’t become Christians.
Posted by: lester | Nov 15 2023 21:06 utc | 527
“What id like to know is what do we do about the jews occupying british and American govenment. Are we happy with that situation.
Considering its led to a jewish monoply of the media. That in turn leading to a completly miss-informed public. Control of our armed forces,
And forien policys ect ect
I could go on.”
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 15 2023 1:13
Most of those you are complaining about are Chrisitan Zionists, eager for the End of the World, and not very pro-jewish. Their future history includes exterminating all Jews who don’t become Christians.
Posted by: lester | Nov 15 2023 21:06 utc | 528
Do Americans really like living in a country where so many are living in Third World poverty, so many are working poor and the infrastructure is crumbling like some banana republic while billions, if not trillions are poured into starting and fighting wars around the world and funding genocide in Palestine? Someone should put that to a vote. Americans on average have the poorest quality of life in the developed world and still the money keeps spewing out for Israel and Ukraine and other tyrannies. Who is winning here? Certainly not the American people.
Posted by: rosross | Nov 15 2023 22:01 utc | 529
Do Americans really like living in a country where so many are living in Third World poverty, so many are working poor and the infrastructure is crumbling like some banana republic while billions, if not trillions are poured into starting and fighting wars around the world and funding genocide in Palestine? Someone should put that to a vote. Americans on average have the poorest quality of life in the developed world and still the money keeps spewing out for Israel and Ukraine and other tyrannies. Who is winning here? Certainly not the American people.
Posted by: rosross | Nov 15 2023 22:01 utc | 530
Most of those you are complaining about are Chrisitan Zionists, eager for the End of the World, and not very pro-jewish. Their future history includes exterminating all Jews who don’t become Christians.
Posted by: lester | Nov 15 2023 21:06 utc | 264
Christian Zionists ain’t Christian and their growth in the US came after public promotion financed by a Jewish Zionist Banker.
So they are a de facto Zionist proxy
Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 15 2023 22:54 utc | 531
Most of those you are complaining about are Chrisitan Zionists, eager for the End of the World, and not very pro-jewish. Their future history includes exterminating all Jews who don’t become Christians.
Posted by: lester | Nov 15 2023 21:06 utc | 264
Christian Zionists ain’t Christian and their growth in the US came after public promotion financed by a Jewish Zionist Banker.
So they are a de facto Zionist proxy
Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 15 2023 22:54 utc | 532
Geraint ap Iorwerth | Nov 14 2023 13:52 utc | 14
*** It’s worth reading this ‘Telegraph’ piece, by a UK Zionist apologist, in full. It left me speechless, to say the least.***
Wonder how much of an advance payment — from massive future profits from the gas and oil the Israeli regime intends to steal from exiled or murdered Palestinians — that alleged “historian” got furtively paid for concocting such a load of hypocritical crap…
Amazing that, if a genuine historian, he has not noticed how one particular theocratic ethnicity whine interminably about every ‘wrong’ they ever — whether allegedly or actually — suffered for *thousands of years* … and always use such claims to justify their own extortion, bullying, censoring, criminality, lies, demands for exceptionalism, and just plain brutality.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 15 2023 23:54 utc | 533
Geraint ap Iorwerth | Nov 14 2023 13:52 utc | 14
*** It’s worth reading this ‘Telegraph’ piece, by a UK Zionist apologist, in full. It left me speechless, to say the least.***
Wonder how much of an advance payment — from massive future profits from the gas and oil the Israeli regime intends to steal from exiled or murdered Palestinians — that alleged “historian” got furtively paid for concocting such a load of hypocritical crap…
Amazing that, if a genuine historian, he has not noticed how one particular theocratic ethnicity whine interminably about every ‘wrong’ they ever — whether allegedly or actually — suffered for *thousands of years* … and always use such claims to justify their own extortion, bullying, censoring, criminality, lies, demands for exceptionalism, and just plain brutality.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 15 2023 23:54 utc | 534
Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 16:04 utc | 45
(re notion of nuking deep under Gaza)
*** For one, I suppose that would end the policy of nuclear ambiguity.***
Not at all — the Israeli regime and NATO mass media would declare it must be Saddam’s mythically hidden “WMD” inadvertently going off, so nothing to do with them.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 16 2023 0:15 utc | 535
Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 16:04 utc | 45
(re notion of nuking deep under Gaza)
*** For one, I suppose that would end the policy of nuclear ambiguity.***
Not at all — the Israeli regime and NATO mass media would declare it must be Saddam’s mythically hidden “WMD” inadvertently going off, so nothing to do with them.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 16 2023 0:15 utc | 536
I’m sure this will boost Britain’s prestige throughout the world no end.
Posted by: anon | Nov 15 2023 17:59 utc | 263
Affirmative action applied in reverse is just as destructive as in the usual direction.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 0:32 utc | 537
I’m sure this will boost Britain’s prestige throughout the world no end.
Posted by: anon | Nov 15 2023 17:59 utc | 263
Affirmative action applied in reverse is just as destructive as in the usual direction.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 0:32 utc | 538
@ rosross | Nov 15 2023 22:01 utc | 265
I can assure you that a majority of Americans have no problem ignoring the homeless (they have to: the thought they may be next to be thrown out onto the streets is just too horrible) and are anyway convinced that every other country is worse than their own. Except for thim dam Mexikuns.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 16 2023 0:58 utc | 539
@ rosross | Nov 15 2023 22:01 utc | 265
I can assure you that a majority of Americans have no problem ignoring the homeless (they have to: the thought they may be next to be thrown out onto the streets is just too horrible) and are anyway convinced that every other country is worse than their own. Except for thim dam Mexikuns.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 16 2023 0:58 utc | 540
Christian Zionists ain’t Christian and their growth in the US came after public promotion financed by a Jewish Zionist Banker.
So they are a de facto Zionist proxy
Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 15 2023 22:54 utc | 266
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Oh give us a break already. The only REAL Christians are those keeping themselves pure (marriage only if they can’t control their lusts) in anticipation of the imminent Second Coming….which should have occurred about 1900 years ago.
Anything else is just an accommodation calling itself “Christian.”
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 16 2023 1:02 utc | 541
Christian Zionists ain’t Christian and their growth in the US came after public promotion financed by a Jewish Zionist Banker.
So they are a de facto Zionist proxy
Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 15 2023 22:54 utc | 266
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Oh give us a break already. The only REAL Christians are those keeping themselves pure (marriage only if they can’t control their lusts) in anticipation of the imminent Second Coming….which should have occurred about 1900 years ago.
Anything else is just an accommodation calling itself “Christian.”
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 16 2023 1:02 utc | 542
OT: Christianity
As an ex-christian (I “left” to keep things simple in my head, I believe in God* and the details are whatever they are) as far as I understand christianity the following two points are what is required:
1. Accept Jesus Christ (real Aramaic name Emmanuel something) as your savior.
2. Love your enemy (if the concept is too difficult look into details and meaning from reading —and if needed studying— the new testament and so on)
Its quite simple and shouldn’t be hard to understand unless one doesn’t want to understand …however humans are very good at “not understanding” and corrupting all kinds of stuff; thus me throwing my hands in the air and going with a simple faith in God while trying to be as kind and considerate as possible to everyone I meet (not a suicide pact). Of course I fail at this, sometimes really badly, the failure is a given and a source of humility.
* Weird guy warning! To me God is at the very least an ultimate and unbound living, thinking, and active entity a never-ending infinities of infinities larger than, and entirely unconstrained by, both space-time and all imaginable and unimaginable abstract space. God is (to me) also the de facto definition of (at least) all things good despite being entirely beyond human comprehension. I also suspect (but do not know) that God constantly and actively maintains/creates/recreates our existence (to me this does not conflict with science or physics, it would be a hidden constant).
Okay I’m ready for the loony bin now, can I have a dark blue straight-jacket? Or maybe green? 😛
It’s okay to laugh 😀 (I know I’m weird, always have been).
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 16 2023 9:11 utc | 543
OT: Christianity
As an ex-christian (I “left” to keep things simple in my head, I believe in God* and the details are whatever they are) as far as I understand christianity the following two points are what is required:
1. Accept Jesus Christ (real Aramaic name Emmanuel something) as your savior.
2. Love your enemy (if the concept is too difficult look into details and meaning from reading —and if needed studying— the new testament and so on)
Its quite simple and shouldn’t be hard to understand unless one doesn’t want to understand …however humans are very good at “not understanding” and corrupting all kinds of stuff; thus me throwing my hands in the air and going with a simple faith in God while trying to be as kind and considerate as possible to everyone I meet (not a suicide pact). Of course I fail at this, sometimes really badly, the failure is a given and a source of humility.
* Weird guy warning! To me God is at the very least an ultimate and unbound living, thinking, and active entity a never-ending infinities of infinities larger than, and entirely unconstrained by, both space-time and all imaginable and unimaginable abstract space. God is (to me) also the de facto definition of (at least) all things good despite being entirely beyond human comprehension. I also suspect (but do not know) that God constantly and actively maintains/creates/recreates our existence (to me this does not conflict with science or physics, it would be a hidden constant).
Okay I’m ready for the loony bin now, can I have a dark blue straight-jacket? Or maybe green? 😛
It’s okay to laugh 😀 (I know I’m weird, always have been).
Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 16 2023 9:11 utc | 544