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November 14, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-271
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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https://truthout.org/articles/criminalization-of-first-amendment-protected-pro-palestinian-speech-is-spreading/ Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 16:31 utc | 101 https://truthout.org/articles/criminalization-of-first-amendment-protected-pro-palestinian-speech-is-spreading/ Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 16:31 utc | 102 By my count – Hamas claims around 60 Main Battle Tanks. Hezbollah claims around 22. Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 16:31 utc | 103 By my count – Hamas claims around 60 Main Battle Tanks. Hezbollah claims around 22. Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 16:31 utc | 104
But what you state..the nonconsenusal euthanasia (in other words, murder) of random classes of people isn’t happening. Instead people are afforded a right to choose to end their own life in restricted scenarios where death is foreseeable. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2023 16:40 utc | 105
But what you state..the nonconsenusal euthanasia (in other words, murder) of random classes of people isn’t happening. Instead people are afforded a right to choose to end their own life in restricted scenarios where death is foreseeable. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2023 16:40 utc | 106 “Israeli soldiers are called commandos. Palestinian soldiers are called terrorists” Posted by: Delhiliterally | Nov 14 2023 16:41 utc | 107 “Israeli soldiers are called commandos. Palestinian soldiers are called terrorists” Posted by: Delhiliterally | Nov 14 2023 16:41 utc | 108 https://theintercept.com/2023/11/11/palestine-israel-protests-ceasefire-antisemitic/ Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 16:45 utc | 109 https://theintercept.com/2023/11/11/palestine-israel-protests-ceasefire-antisemitic/ Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 16:45 utc | 110 Was looking at a pic from Merkava square in Gaza, lots of burned armour. An ambush of some type apparently. If pic is real, oy Vey, Houston, we have a problem. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 14 2023 16:47 utc | 111 Was looking at a pic from Merkava square in Gaza, lots of burned armour. An ambush of some type apparently. If pic is real, oy Vey, Houston, we have a problem. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 14 2023 16:47 utc | 112 “American Jews have mobilized several thousand Jews across the U.S. to call for a ceasefire in Gaza. ADL calls these Jewish organizations “hate groups.” Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 17:01 utc | 113 “American Jews have mobilized several thousand Jews across the U.S. to call for a ceasefire in Gaza. ADL calls these Jewish organizations “hate groups.” Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 17:01 utc | 114 Christiane Ananpour and a bevy of bottle blonde CNN bimbos with fake tits crying over the picture. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2023 17:03 utc | 115 Christiane Ananpour and a bevy of bottle blonde CNN bimbos with fake tits crying over the picture. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 14 2023 17:03 utc | 116 “Chaos & power vacuum in WH is why Israel snubs US advice — Sy Hersh”. Sputnik news summary today of his report. Must read, especially about possible end to war. Posted by: Pundita | Nov 14 2023 17:03 utc | 117 “Chaos & power vacuum in WH is why Israel snubs US advice — Sy Hersh”. Sputnik news summary today of his report. Must read, especially about possible end to war. Posted by: Pundita | Nov 14 2023 17:03 utc | 118 For a group that is a front for jihadism, according to China, the WUC talks real funny about Hamas. But I guess that is where it gets interesting. If the US behind it, the WUC has nothing to do with Islam. In other words, what is jihadism in Palestine is a pro-autonomy group in China. But then again, did the US say it supports Xinjiang because the Uyghurs are Muslim or in spite of it? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 17:05 utc | 119 For a group that is a front for jihadism, according to China, the WUC talks real funny about Hamas. But I guess that is where it gets interesting. If the US behind it, the WUC has nothing to do with Islam. In other words, what is jihadism in Palestine is a pro-autonomy group in China. But then again, did the US say it supports Xinjiang because the Uyghurs are Muslim or in spite of it? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 17:05 utc | 120 From RT ticker: Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 17:06 utc | 121 From RT ticker: Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 17:06 utc | 122 “…Mao and Ho chi Ming were young workers in Europe..” Chou you mean not Mao Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 17:11 utc | 123 “…Mao and Ho chi Ming were young workers in Europe..” Chou you mean not Mao Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 17:11 utc | 124 I JOINED GAZA’S TRAIL OF TEARS AND DISPLACEMENT Posted by: kim sky | Nov 14 2023 17:11 utc | 125 I JOINED GAZA’S TRAIL OF TEARS AND DISPLACEMENT Posted by: kim sky | Nov 14 2023 17:11 utc | 126 @ Arch Bungle 47 Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 14 2023 17:11 utc | 127 @ Arch Bungle 47 Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 14 2023 17:11 utc | 128 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2023 16:40 utc | 56 Posted by: pq | Nov 14 2023 17:13 utc | 129 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2023 16:40 utc | 56 Posted by: pq | Nov 14 2023 17:13 utc | 130 I see you for what you are. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 17:19 utc | 131 I see you for what you are. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 17:19 utc | 132 Going back to Not Getting It Jonathon W 307 last thread. Posted by: Giyane | Nov 14 2023 17:24 utc | 133 Going back to Not Getting It Jonathon W 307 last thread. Posted by: Giyane | Nov 14 2023 17:24 utc | 134 My latest where I point out that much of what is currently happening in the Middle East fits the colonial and imperial game plan that has been used again and again Letting it Happen on Purpose, Triggering a Reaction and Full Spectrum Propaganda: As Old as Empire My latest where I point out that much of what is currently happening in the Middle East fits the colonial and imperial game plan that has been used again and again Letting it Happen on Purpose, Triggering a Reaction and Full Spectrum Propaganda: As Old as Empire ….. Was looking at a pic from Merkava square in Gaza, lots of burned armour. An ambush of some type apparently. If pic is real, oy Vey, Houston, we have a problem. Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 17:26 utc | 137 ….. Was looking at a pic from Merkava square in Gaza, lots of burned armour. An ambush of some type apparently. If pic is real, oy Vey, Houston, we have a problem. Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 17:26 utc | 138 Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 17:26 utc | 69 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2023 17:28 utc | 139 Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 17:26 utc | 69 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2023 17:28 utc | 140 Boycott Starbucks Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 17:29 utc | 141 Boycott Starbucks Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 17:29 utc | 142 Posted by: Giyane | Nov 14 2023 17:24 utc | 67 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 17:31 utc | 143 Posted by: Giyane | Nov 14 2023 17:24 utc | 67 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 17:31 utc | 144 When a cause infects the art of common people, rest assured generations will be affected by it: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 17:32 utc | 145 When a cause infects the art of common people, rest assured generations will be affected by it: Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 17:32 utc | 146 If there was a secret or “ambiguity”, that ended on Nov. 5 when Israel’s Minister Of Heritage, Amichai Eliyahu, threatened to use a nuclear bomb on Gaza. This was in an interview with Radio Kol Berama. He was suspended – not fired – as minister by Netanyahu. It’s worth noting the Prime Minister did not walk back the direct implication that Israel has nuclear weapons. Even for Netanyahu, some things are to ridiculous to deny. Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2023 17:36 utc | 147 If there was a secret or “ambiguity”, that ended on Nov. 5 when Israel’s Minister Of Heritage, Amichai Eliyahu, threatened to use a nuclear bomb on Gaza. This was in an interview with Radio Kol Berama. He was suspended – not fired – as minister by Netanyahu. It’s worth noting the Prime Minister did not walk back the direct implication that Israel has nuclear weapons. Even for Netanyahu, some things are to ridiculous to deny. Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2023 17:36 utc | 148 pq@65 Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 17:36 utc | 149 pq@65 Posted by: bevin | Nov 14 2023 17:36 utc | 150 Given the impact on the Israeli economy and Israel’s international reputation, together with the low bodybag acceptance, the current Gaza campaign may have just a few weeks left to run. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 17:37 utc | 151 Given the impact on the Israeli economy and Israel’s international reputation, together with the low bodybag acceptance, the current Gaza campaign may have just a few weeks left to run. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 17:37 utc | 152 Lord Bebo & Friends (TG Channel) Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Nov 14 2023 17:40 utc | 153 Lord Bebo & Friends (TG Channel) Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Nov 14 2023 17:40 utc | 154 I can’t see it going more than one more week. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 17:41 utc | 155 I can’t see it going more than one more week. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 17:41 utc | 156 Great interview on Judge Napolitano with Alastair Crooke: (fmr. British Diplomat) – What is Biden’s endgame in Gaza? Posted by: Poul | Nov 14 2023 17:47 utc | 157 Great interview on Judge Napolitano with Alastair Crooke: (fmr. British Diplomat) – What is Biden’s endgame in Gaza? Posted by: Poul | Nov 14 2023 17:47 utc | 158 Re Israeli tanks. How many destroyed vs how many repairable. I have only seen a few videos and none showed the aftermath of the strike. Several were hit in the ammo compartment at the back of the turret. These generally have blowout panels. Much may depend on whether the door for accessing the ammo is open or closed when hit. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 17:55 utc | 159 Re Israeli tanks. How many destroyed vs how many repairable. I have only seen a few videos and none showed the aftermath of the strike. Several were hit in the ammo compartment at the back of the turret. These generally have blowout panels. Much may depend on whether the door for accessing the ammo is open or closed when hit. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 14 2023 17:55 utc | 160 Baile @ 5 Posted by: Born Free | Nov 14 2023 17:56 utc | 161 Baile @ 5 Posted by: Born Free | Nov 14 2023 17:56 utc | 162 This deserves a repeat: Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2023 17:57 utc | 163 This deserves a repeat: Posted by: juliania | Nov 14 2023 17:57 utc | 164 And that could be an indication that Israel does not really have nuclear weapons after all. It is in their interest for others to suppose that they do, but do they? Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 18:03 utc | 165 And that could be an indication that Israel does not really have nuclear weapons after all. It is in their interest for others to suppose that they do, but do they? Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 18:03 utc | 166 32 44 JonathonW Posted by: Susan | Nov 14 2023 18:23 utc | 167 32 44 JonathonW Posted by: Susan | Nov 14 2023 18:23 utc | 168 Soon the bar will see you for what you are too. Posted by: Zet | Nov 14 2023 18:31 utc | 169 Soon the bar will see you for what you are too. Posted by: Zet | Nov 14 2023 18:31 utc | 170 “Every presidential candidate except me sucks Zionist cock“ Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 18:38 utc | 171 “Every presidential candidate except me sucks Zionist cock“ Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 18:38 utc | 172 It was clear very early on that Jonathan W has a role here. Posted by: JB | Nov 14 2023 18:41 utc | 173 It was clear very early on that Jonathan W has a role here. Posted by: JB | Nov 14 2023 18:41 utc | 174 @ Posted by: Born Free Posted by: Zet | Nov 14 2023 18:45 utc | 175 @ Posted by: Born Free Posted by: Zet | Nov 14 2023 18:45 utc | 176 Somebody asked what Xinjiang Muslims think of what is happening to Palestinians and since he is obviously too lazy to do the job himsef I wanted to look into it. No good deed goes unpunished, as they say. So now that the “outed” group has been outed (isn’t that a circular reasoning?) what does that leave us except what the Communist Party says? And I covered that too. Anyway that is irrelevant. I want to hear more about what you think of Brian Berletic because that is where it gets really interesting. Isn’t he a plant and, if so, what should one make of the fact that he has outed the WUC? Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 18:46 utc | 177 Somebody asked what Xinjiang Muslims think of what is happening to Palestinians and since he is obviously too lazy to do the job himsef I wanted to look into it. No good deed goes unpunished, as they say. So now that the “outed” group has been outed (isn’t that a circular reasoning?) what does that leave us except what the Communist Party says? And I covered that too. Anyway that is irrelevant. I want to hear more about what you think of Brian Berletic because that is where it gets really interesting. Isn’t he a plant and, if so, what should one make of the fact that he has outed the WUC? Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 18:46 utc | 178 I am always amazed to see how posters here contribute to these incarnations having so much space, instead of none. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 18:51 utc | 179 I am always amazed to see how posters here contribute to these incarnations having so much space, instead of none. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 18:51 utc | 180 The patterns are interesting … Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 18:57 utc | 181 The patterns are interesting … Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 18:57 utc | 182 @ Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 18:57 utc | 92 Posted by: malenkov | Nov 14 2023 19:00 utc | 183 @ Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 18:57 utc | 92 Posted by: malenkov | Nov 14 2023 19:00 utc | 184 And next Mercouris please. Is he a plant? Posted by: Zet | Nov 14 2023 19:01 utc | 185 And next Mercouris please. Is he a plant? Posted by: Zet | Nov 14 2023 19:01 utc | 186 To 85 Posted by: Valerie Swales | Nov 14 2023 19:02 utc | 187 To 85 Posted by: Valerie Swales | Nov 14 2023 19:02 utc | 188 Is he a plant? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 19:06 utc | 189 Is he a plant? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 19:06 utc | 190 Posted by: Valerie Swales | Nov 14 2023 19:02 utc | 95 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 19:08 utc | 191 Posted by: Valerie Swales | Nov 14 2023 19:02 utc | 95 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 19:08 utc | 192 Anther excellent article by As`ad AbuKhalil titled: Posted by: JB | Nov 14 2023 19:10 utc | 193 Anther excellent article by As`ad AbuKhalil titled: Posted by: JB | Nov 14 2023 19:10 utc | 194 Posted by: Valerie Swales | Nov 14 2023 19:02 utc | 95 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 19:18 utc | 195 Posted by: Valerie Swales | Nov 14 2023 19:02 utc | 95 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 19:18 utc | 196 “On the other hand, perhaps by only suspending his minister, Netnyahu was wanting to keep the nuclear issue front and center. And that could be an indication that Israel does not really have nuclear weapons after all. It is in their interest for others to suppose that they do, but do they? Posted by: Not Ewe | Nov 14 2023 19:22 utc | 197 “On the other hand, perhaps by only suspending his minister, Netnyahu was wanting to keep the nuclear issue front and center. And that could be an indication that Israel does not really have nuclear weapons after all. It is in their interest for others to suppose that they do, but do they? Posted by: Not Ewe | Nov 14 2023 19:22 utc | 198 On the other hand, perhaps by only suspending his minister, Netnyahu was wanting to keep the nuclear issue front and center. And that could be an indication that Israel does not really have nuclear weapons after all. It is in their interest in others to suppose that they do, but do they? Posted by: Ed | Nov 14 2023 19:27 utc | 199 On the other hand, perhaps by only suspending his minister, Netnyahu was wanting to keep the nuclear issue front and center. And that could be an indication that Israel does not really have nuclear weapons after all. It is in their interest in others to suppose that they do, but do they? Posted by: Ed | Nov 14 2023 19:27 utc | 200 |
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