legitimized = deligitimized

Posted by: Menz | Nov 14 2023 10:51 utc | 3

Brazil’s Lula says Israel response ‘as grave’ as Hamas attack
“After the act of terrorism provoked by Hamas, the consequences, the solution of the state of Israel, is as grave as that of Hamas,” said Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva at a ceremony in Brasilia welcoming Brazilians and their families who had been evacuated from Gaza.
“They are killing innocent people without any criteria,” said Lula.
The leader of Latin America’s largest country also accused Israel of “dropping bombs where there are children, hospitals, on the pretext that a terrorist is there.”
“They are not killing soldiers, they are killing children,” he told journalists at the Brasilia Air Base, claiming the number of women and children killed or missing was unheard of.
Lula, 78, who hugged and kissed the returnees on the tarmac, said he had “never” seen “such brutal and inhuman violence against innocent people”.
“This is inexplicable. First you have to save the women and children, then you fight with whomever you want,” Lula said. (…)
“>https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231114-brazil-s-lula-says-israel-response-as-grave-as-hamas-attack

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 14 2023 11:05 utc | 5

Military update from Lebanon TV worth reading; it’s tone is different from prior updates. The tone is upbeat and energetic.
https://english.almanar.com.lb/1975712
Take aways – Hamas raiding parties continuing to raid outside of Gaza fence. Plus lots of activity inside.
Skeptic that the (5) Tanks listed destroyed are MBTs, likely Tanks means Armour. So…..I‘ll just add 2 of the 5 to the claimed Tally = 80 MBTS claimed to date knocked out.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 11:10 utc | 7

About India and Bevin 213 of 13 11
I went many times in India since 30 years and spend more than three years in total.
I am puzzled by Modi and am sorry for the muslims in India.
But when I read western comments I sees they project their own western experiences. Which is the root of colonialism.
There is an anthropogic constatation. The anthropologic statements on primitive people changed three times in the first part of XXth century, until an anthropologist prouved what anthropologists said applied much more to the changing mood of their country and time than to the stable primitive people.
Mao and Ho chi Ming were young workers in Europe, if I remember well, and kind of « colonised » their own countries with westerner and 1920th thoughts.
Lenin and Trotsky where playing chess in Montmartre around 1916, in « le lapin agile » where all the Picasso and Chirico gathered.
We see now a day as we saw in Ireland in the 80s that the expats, the jews from the states, might have a excessive and fantasmised influence.
Russia moved back to its orthodox ground while maintaining a mitigated anti-capitalist care for their people.
China moves back to Taoïsm and Confucianism again. An hybrid mix of three : capitalism communism and taoïsm.
India is the oldest civilisation by far. 30 000 years of neolitism. 9000 years of agriculture and 4000 years of iranism. (Arianism, it is the same root). 90% of the neolithic population was in India from 30 000 to 10 000 years ago.
For the next 200 years, be sure they will still act according to this framework.
Above that ground, that takes decennies to perceive, stands the danger Bevin explains. I.E. very rich people (or powerful and not rich if they are communists) depriving the people of their own thinking or past culture. Aculturation which might be the groud for war. Wallabites scarves on marocan women.
Kerala is or as long been a communist state in India. But outside of Kerala, there is not the adhesion Bevin hopes of. And when it is it has a tribal frame.
I’ll come back on India, latter. I post here because I answer to Bevin post on yesterday palestine post. And other topic is 5 days old and not commented anymore.

Posted by: Baile | Nov 14 2023 11:42 utc | 9

Extensive interview with Craig Mokhiber who resigned as UN Human Rights head guy. Says Gaza is a “textbook case of genocide”. Not least because of Israeli action over the decades, but because intent has explicitly been declared by so many Israeli leaders over time. He finds it astonishing as show total impunity by Israel. Most who commit war crimes and genocide try to cover it up.
He says UN structure has 5 regions. The only weird non-geography based region is “Western Europe and Other Countries Group WEOG” which is basically all colonial and settler colonialism powers (incl Can, US, Aus, Nz, Isr). They wield most control. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQPa7AIXMN0
How Israel and S. Africa took two different paths since Universal Decl of Human rights in 1948:
South Africa: Even if WEOG always supported apartheid, it finally ended in SA because the UN consistently applied pressure using international law. Additional Protocol of Geneva Convention explains rights to armed resistance against occupying powers, especially racist ones etc.
Palestine: law ignored, process was 100% political with Oslo etc., In favour of occupying power. (The same channel also has an interview with a South African labour trade union leader who spells out the parallels between South African and Israeli apartheid).
For some (like me) the issue of Palestine and non-stop bombing of Arab / Muslim world by NATOstan for 30+ years is pretty simple: in various ways they try to resist WEOG imperialism. They have differences with each other and national interests so are not a unified bloc.
For those asking why Arabs / Muslims don’t do something together: this is an admission that WEOG and related international organizations they control have failed. How has the genius idea of bombing stuff thousands of miles away in order to get more control over resources worked to make WEOG safer and more prosperous so far?
I roll my eyes when I hear observers / experts talk of religion, different sects, civilization
clash etc. As if Ukraine Russia is a holy war between Catholic and Orthodox sects of Christianity…
Watching experts in FT, WSJ etc. cutting and pasting their little bullets on Sunni/Shia sects in every article is tragicomic. (The irony is that is now Israel that has gone full Bible Bonkers). The Iran Iraq war and other similar usually start because WEOG is motivating/threatening one of the parties in the war.
Would the US ever have provided support to Iraq if the Shah were around and handing over Iranian oil to the Empire? Trying to equate religion with resistance is largely a manufactured product of the WOEG Global War on Terror to distract from oppression.
History shows WOEG attempted to assert control post WWII even when secular socialism was more popular and pre WWII through overt colonialism. Most of the Arab ME / Africa only became independent from 1950s-1970s.
The 2nd generation of leaders is on a tightrope between economic development and figuring how much of their soul to sell to stay alive. Saudi was “independent” in 1938 but because of Aramco—without which the US would have collapsed—its portrayal in the NATOstan media oscillates on any given day being good little puppet or punching bag for some evil deed. US Gulf refineries are set up to process Saudi sour. The US energy market is not an integrated whole. Geography, refinery and pipeline conflguration etc. means that oil does not move from one part of the country to the other.

Posted by: pq | Nov 14 2023 12:54 utc | 11

#4
Great news

Posted by: spark | Nov 14 2023 12:56 utc | 13

The Eisenhower carrier group has reached it’s final destination in the Gulf of Oman.
https://news.usni.org/2023/11/13/aircraft-carrier-uss-dwight-s-eisenhower-now-in-gulf-of-oman
All the pieces are now in place, from the Israeli perspective there is nothing to wait for anymore in terms of US assets being moved in.
And just as it made it into place the US escalated by bombing not just “weapons caches” but real human beings in Syria yesterday killing an unknown number of “Iranian-backed militia”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WGM7AWbVc
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/13/us-carries-out-two-more-strikes-on-iran-backed-groups-in-syria

Posted by: Altai | Nov 14 2023 13:23 utc | 15

News Flash.
Its all but over, or at the least it will be massivily reduced Israel attacks on Gaza in the next few weeks.
A must listen…..
BBC Radio 4 news at one.
And you know what….
It was our sataday march through London that has won this conflict.
Dont let up on the pressure.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 14 2023 13:24 utc | 17

Does anybody remember “Dusty Boy” from Aleppo?
Syrian terrorists found a little boy aged about 3, took him away from his parents, and threw dirt all over him. Then they photographed him sitting in the back of an ambulance, looking bewildered but otherwise unhurt.
“Dusty Boy’s” picture was on the front page of every newspaper in the western world the following day, with well orchestrated howls of outrage and demands for action from all the hacks of the lying corporate media.
No Fly Zone now!!!!!!
Barrel bombs! Barrel bombs! Barrel bombs!!!!!!
Christiane Ananpour and a bevy of bottle blonde CNN bimbos with fake tits crying over the picture.
And now we have a real genocide with thousands of kids killed and maimed every day by the bloodthirsty Zionist paymasters of all these lying media hacks. Blown to bits by US and UK supplied bombs, with only a few scraps of unrecognisable flesh left to bury, or burned through to the bone with white phosphorous.
But don’t expect to see Dusty Boy of Gaza on the front pages of our lying media.

Posted by: anon | Nov 14 2023 13:30 utc | 19

Phil thats a racist comment.
And their your words not mine.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 14 2023 13:33 utc | 21

I forgot to post, Responsible Statecraft as a nice collection of all the US military deployments to the Middle East since October 7th. It is continuously updated. It makes for disturbing reading. As I’ve said from the start this situation has opened a golden opportunity for the Israelis to get the US to fight wars against Iran and Syria by provoking them with an atrocity in Gaza they can’t ignore (Sound familiar?) and then portraying itself as the victim of a war of an unprovoked war of aggression (Sound familiar?) with the US then bound to find itself at war with Iran, Hezbollah and probably also Syria too. (Egypt and Jordan will be interesting wild cards, will they continue to follow their American masters? Jordan has already dispatched the Israeli ambassador and of course, will the Egyptians tolerate having to take in the Gazans or watch them die on the other side of the wall?)
While the clock is ticking on US ability to do these unilateral wars for Israel (Due to stupidly throwing away it’s hegemony in Ukraine, itself done in the name of Israel due to Russia’s intervention in Syria and generally the neocons sense that no peer state is allowed to exist else they might stop the US wars for Israel) and the golden opportunity has presented itself for Israel to slide into a genocide or dispossession of the Gazans, triggering the regional war and the US to come in and fight Iran and Syria for it, it’s now or never. What do you do with a depreciating asset? You spend it. Two birds, one stone too. Nothing the US has done makes it seem like the Blinken, sorry Biden admin isn’t fully onboard with this war for Israel. The repeated ridiculous finding of ever more absurd reasons (That were never mentioned on objections to the previous drafts) for a UN resolution for a cease-fire despite there simply being no military objective to buy time for Israel to accomplish. The endgame is provoking the regional war by actually or being perceived to be ethnically cleansing Gaza. That is all you’re buying time for Israel for to do. You’re also buying time for the US assets to get in pre-placement for the war.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/us-troops-israel-gaza-2666062447

Posted by: Altai | Nov 14 2023 13:36 utc | 23

I thought, from recent updates on the war in Palestine, that Israel seemed looking to declare victory. To declare many victories, perhaps. And there is talk of negotiations involving release of hostages.
I wonder if this recent summit between Morocco and Azerbaijan has anything to do with it, Azerbaijan being a major supplier of fuel to Israel.
https://x.com/Marocdiplo_EN/status/1724201963556872221
https://x.com/Marocdiplo_EN/status/1724106018295017648

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 14 2023 13:48 utc | 25

It’s worth reading this ‘Telegraph’ piece, by a UK Zionist apologist, in full. It left me speechless, to say the least.
For a better tomorrow, Palestinians need to forget historical grievances
Many peoples have tales of tragedy and displacement, but success comes when you are able to move on
ANDREW ROBERTS HISTORIAN TELEGRAPH 30 October 2023
Andrew Roberts (Baron Roberts of Belgravia, courtesy of Boris Johnson).
He is a member of the House of Lords – a Lord Temporal.
A supporter of a strong USA military, he backed the Invasion of Iraq.
If Israel succeeds in extirpating Hamas, it will provide the Palestinians with a unique opportunity to re-examine their national destiny, and history can be their guide. For nations must tailor their ambitions to what is politically, and ultimately militarily, practical, and for no people is this more pressingly true than the Palestinian Arabs.
In professing to believe that it can expel the Jews from the river to the sea, Hamas has been selling a dream that has brought only tragedy and rubble.
Once Hamas has been destroyed, the people of Gaza will only be able to flourish if they learn from all the other peoples who suffered large-scale population transfers in the later 1940s, and forswear revanchism.
Rather than endlessly trying to re-litigate the Naqba – the “Catastrophe” in 1948 when hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs left or were forced out of Israel – they must recognise it as an irreversible historical fact that is now three-quarters of a century old.
They must accept that back in the immediate post-Second World War period, many national groupings had to move en masse from the lands they had previously occupied, (Comment: ‘Occupied’, Good choice of word that!) and happiness has only come to those who have been able to deal with it.
Indeed, in the late 1940s, some ethnic groups had to move far longer distances than the Palestinians, and in much the same or more traumatic circumstances. The transfer of power in India saw 16 million Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus move from their homes in the Punjab and North West Frontier, for example, never to return.
Many made the journey taking only what they could carry, and they built modern-day India and Pakistan by not constantly dreaming of return.
The Crimean Tatars (who lost 46% of their number), the Soviet Chechens, the Ingush and Balkars, the Volga Germans and Meskheta Turks were all “relocated” (as it was called by the Soviets) in their millions by Stalin, (Comment: Stalin and Netanyahoo? Hmm, feels right) and forced to build new lives for themselves elsewhere in the USSR, under unimaginably harsh conditions. Historians estimate that up to one and a half million of them died.
Yet most made the best of their new lives, rather than plotting to return with rapine and baby-killing. (Comment: Andrew, never thought you could stop so low. Shame on you).
The Japanese and Korean Kuril and Sakhalin Islanders were forcibly moved from their homes in the postwar period, too; even the Italians of Istria. More recent have been the Greeks of Turkey in 1956, the Greeks of Cyprus in 1974 and the Vietnamese boat people in 1975. Although these people were displaced more recently than the Naqba, they have dealt with the upheaval and moved on emotionally and psychologically, in a way the Palestinians have simply not.
Starting in the late 1940s, some 800,000 Jews from Arabia, whose families had lived there for centuries, were expelled.
After the German defeat in 1945, more than three million ethnic Germans were forced to move 300 miles westwards out of Silesia, the Sudetenland and other historically German areas east of the Oder and Neisse rivers. As with other refugees, they took only what could be carried or rolled on carts.
Yet where are their violent demands for the return of their ancestral lands presently lived in by Poles and Czechs?
None of these peoples, nor the Chinese Nationalists who were forced off the mainland into Taiwan in 1949, are today actively demanding the right to murder the people who have now lived in their former lands for over seven decades.
They have instead built new lives for themselves, looking forward rather than back. (Comment: words fail me!).
Taiwan, which gave up raiding the Chinese mainland in 1979, today has a far higher standard of living per capita than its old enemy. Many of the Vietnamese who emigrated to the United States are today living the American Dream. (Comment: The American dream!!!!!!!!!)
The sole exception to this sensible and mature policy of moving on from national catastrophe have been the Palestinian extremists, whose irredentism and recurring intifadas – and whose latest sadistic eruption in southern Israel – have turned much of Gaza City into rubble. (Comment: Of course, Andrew, all Palestinians are extremists and immature!).
“That men do not learn much from the lessons of history,” wrote Aldous Huxley in 1959, “is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach us.”
Just as Hamas is using roadblocks to prevent Palestinians from moving south and away from the Israeli attack on northern Gaza, so is it also preventing the Palestinians from moving on from the utterly doomed hope of retaking the land of Israel.
While the vast majority of displaced peoples of the late-1940s have eschewed the path of violence, instead choosing peacefully to try to advance their national stories and make the best of their circumstances, getting their revenge by working hard, living well and being happy, the Gazans voted for Hamas in 2006. (Comment: In a democratic election. AS Hamas funded by the USA).
The Palestinians have thus become the willing dupes of the cynical policy of foreign countries to use them to pressurise and destabilise the world’s sole Jewish state.
Were each Arab state to take in 100,000 Palestinians – fewer than the number of Ukrainians that Britons welcomed in – then Gazans would be safe.
But that would also mean a safer Israel, which is not what some Arab states want.
Until the Palestinians are finally able to accommodate themselves to that fact that Israel is here to stay, they can never find contentment. (Comment: nor the Israelis!)
Meanwhile, the so-called “Arab street” continues to look away from the Houthis killed by the Saudis in Yemen over the past seven years, preferring instead to protest against Israel and call for a ceasefire in Gaza.
Benjamin Netanyahu’s best reply to those demanding a ceasefire before Israel can destroy Hamas ought to be that of his hero Winston Churchill, who on 14 July 1941 said, “We ask no favours of the enemy. We seek from them no compunction. On the contrary, if tonight the people of London were asked to cast their vote whether a convention should be entered into to stop the bombing of all cities, the overwhelming majority would cry, ‘No, we will mete out to the Germans the measure, and more than the measure, that they have meted out to us.’ … We will have no truce or parley with you, or the grisly gang who work your wicked will. You do your worst and we will do our best.”

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Nov 14 2023 13:52 utc | 27

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 14 2023 13:24 utc | 9
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Yes – The BBC “World at One” news analysis program made it very clear that the cracks are showing in the only permitted narrative.
There will be a debate in the UK House tomorrow, in which the MPs will have to stand up and be counted.
The choices are:
– – – – Ceasefire now
or
– – – – Support for Israel’s ongoing campaign of war crimes, mass murder and ethnic cleansing

Posted by: Engineer-John | Nov 14 2023 13:52 utc | 29

I would like the Arabs to do something so that the USA responds and it crashes the economy

Posted by: moon of alabama | Nov 14 2023 13:56 utc | 31

Engineer-John @ 17
Yes thanks for that added info.
Yesterday i mentioned Netinyhoo’s two legs of suport US and UK had an ‘Archelles heel’ and had developed a limp.
Today i would say the UK leg just droped off.
Netinyhoo will know it.
America will know it.
The rest of the world will know it.
Most importantly soon the Palistians will now it and be given strength and hope by this news.
Much respect from mark2

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 14 2023 14:06 utc | 33

They are now sending drones to fire at Al Shifa.
Israel systematically targeting every hospital is an attempt at speeding up genocide by lowering survival chances of sick, injured and permanently disabled.Also by killing experienced medical staff, ambulance drivers,etc.
Moreover health infrastructure cannot be rebuilt overnight which means health outcomes will be affected for people who are ok today.
Yet leaders and media in EU, US,UK,Can, etc. cheer it on.
This is the most systematically applied evil seen in human history.
Anne Frank died of typhus in a camp hospital. Even the Germans never bombed their concentration camps.
Even if one does not care at all about Palestinians, this should be a wake-up call as to how these leaders and their enablers in media, government, academia, etc. imagine the world.
Look at the euthanasia support in Canada. Tell me it’s not unrelated.
This is why I find it most difficult to have any conversation with “professional elites”. They realize inside the choice is between “high salary and support evil” or “choose your conscience and lose the lifestyle”.
It’s not a coincidence that public support for Palestinians comes from those who recognize oppression.

Posted by: pq | Nov 14 2023 14:14 utc | 35

@Geraint ap Iorwerth #16

Many peoples have tales of tragedy and displacement, but success comes when you are able to move on
ANDREW ROBERTS

But, crucially not the English, they are just the ones who do the displacing, the cultural and ethnic genocide. Given how the English react whenever anyone brings up the crimes they were allowed to basically forget they committed in Ireland, causing it problems that remain today including the destruction of it’s language and industrial and institutional vacuums (It is the only country with a smaller population today than in 1800, for example, though Ukraine may join it soon) for example, one wonders how deranged they’d be if somebody actually mistreated them. Seriously, if you want an Englishman to turn into an Israeli for a moment, bring up Ireland.
It also makes no sense given there is no moving on from something happening to you right now. The Israelis are bombing and holding Gaza under siege right now and have been doing so constantly for decades. They are threatening to genocide or displace them right now. They are settling and placing the West Bank under constant attack from crazy settlers and the IDF right now and have for decades. It reminds me of bullies, they abuse and destroy people as children, negatively impacting their one life forever and then shrug and say people should “get over it”.
Only burning down Eton can save Britain and the world from Britain.

Posted by: Altai | Nov 14 2023 14:16 utc | 37

Altai ( Nov 14 2023 13:36 utc | 14 ):
Thank you for your comment! It was starting to feel a little bit “lonely”/quiet here.
What you write is very close in meaning and implication to what I wrote about in a recent comment. I’ve seen Michael Hudson also thinking along some similar lines, and a few other comments here before me iirc (at the time I didn’t quite see their point of view).
I really hope we’re all incorrect about this part of the overall situation but haven’t found much in the way of counterarguments.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 14 2023 14:28 utc | 39

Summary of events on the “Hezbollah Front” for the past two days:

2023-11-14
16:08 Hezbollah fighters strike the Israeli occupation site of Ruwaisat Al-Alam, in Shebaa Farms, inflicting confirmed losses
15:11 Islamic Resistance Fighters Strike More Israeli Occupation Sites on Lebanon Border: Video More..
14:32 IOF Spox: Army positions in Yiftah, Margaliot, Arab Al-Aramsha, Shumira, and Matat came under rocket and shell fire from Lebanon
14:01 Zionist artillery strikes Teir Harfa, Al-Jebbein, and Al-Dhairah in the western sector of South Lebanon
13:42 Sirens sounded in a number of Israeli settlements in Western Galilee, Gaza enclave
13:38 Israeli air raid targets the western outskirts of the Lebanese border town of Aitaroun
13:31 Explosions, sirens heard in Eilat: Israeli media
12:51 Israeli media: Rocket sirens sound in Eilat
12:07 Israeli artillery shelling targets the outskirts of Blida, South Lebanon
00:10 Hezbollah fighters struck the Israeli occupation site of Al-Malkiya while the enemy soldiers were fortifying it again: statement
2023-11-13
22:16 Video | Hezbollah Targets an IOF Logistic Force Near `Doviv` Settlement More..
16:46 Hezbollah mourns its fighter Ali Mahmoud Seifeddine who embraced martyrdom on the pathway to Al-Quds
16:14 Islamic Resistance Strikes More Israeli Occupation Sites on Lebanon Border More..
13:40 Hezbollah targets Israeli occupation site of Al-Raheb, inflicting heavy losses upon it
13:23 Islamic Resistance strikes a Zionist infantry force near Branit barracks with guided missiles, inflicting confirmed losses
13:12 Israeli media: Explosion heard in northern Haifa, Upper Galilee
13:10 Israeli media: Sirens sounded in northern Haifa, and Upper Galilee
13:05 Israeli artillery targets again the outskirts of the two Lebanese towns of Al-Jebbein, Aita Al-Shaab
11:20 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Missiles fired from Lebanon hit Israeli border post of Dhaira
11:19 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Israeli artillery shells Teir Harfa, Naqoura and Alma Al-Shaab border towns
09:59 Israeli media says mortars fired from Lebanon setting off sirens in Gornot HaGalil
09:56 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Israeli artillery shells Lebanese border areas of Ayta Al-Shaab, Shiheen and Al-Jibbain
08:50 Al-Manar correspondent: Israeli artillery shelling targets the outskirts of Naqoura

A tragic but unbroken rythm of fire is kept up between the sides. Hezbollah does not stop. Hezbollah does not fear.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 14:30 utc | 41

Tomorrow Nov. 15th: Xi Jinping meeting with Joe Biden.
Friday Nov. 17th: US stopgap budget expires
That’ll be one for the history books.
In essence, Wang and Xi are telling the US:
“If you want our help to finance your federal budget, GTFO of Eurasia: No intervention in the Near East, no obstruction of UN resolutions, gradual withdrawal of US troops (starting with Syria & Iraq).”
It was already agreed on Wang Yi’s Washington visit in October – or else, Xi wouldn’t go in person.
We’ll start seeing the signs pretty soon, public statements, UN debates, movement of carriers…
It’s China’s Monroe Doctrine – call it the “Wang Yi Doctrine”.

Posted by: smuks | Nov 14 2023 14:31 utc | 43

Altai | Nov 14 2023 13:23 utc | 8
US CSGs may be in place, but they can’t do anything.
They’re hoping that Hezbollah makes the mistake to start massive attacks on Israel, but that won’t happen – Nasrallah has patience and nerves, he won’t make the first step.
Tomorrow Xi & Biden meet, with Beijing demanding visible steps towards US disengagement.
The ‘big escalation’ is called off, the carriers will leave.
Israel will declare (partial?) ‘victory’, and there’ll be a deal to free the hostages.
Luckily, both Bibi and Nasrallah are good poker players.

Posted by: smuks | Nov 14 2023 14:49 utc | 45

Your march through London? You mean the march against global zionist caliphate and death to all goyim?
There, phil #10 I corrected your sentence…you’re welcome.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 14:56 utc | 47

The West responds to massive protests;
By dressing people up as Palestinians and getting them to shout rude and nasty things at peace loving genocide supporters, (on camera of course).
It’s working; my teenage son who consumes fake news now tells me that he “hates Palestinians.”
There cannot be anything more evil and disgusting than the filth in the security services who dream up these dirty tricks.
9
Gaslighting the West into believing that the Palestinians “deserve to be exterminated”.
It is an edifying experience to watch Israelis using tried and tested Nazi techniques to inculcate hatred and facilitate genocide.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 14 2023 15:01 utc | 49

Look at the euthanasia support in Canada. Tell me it’s not unrelated.

Speaking as someone who took care of their mother during a 2 year terminal cancer descent into hell, a critical care nurse who begged for death despite being on enough opiates to kill a large mammal, I can assure you that principled support of euthanasia has absolutely fuck all to do with supporting Israeli mass murder.
People should have the right to end their life painlessly when suffering becomes too much. Not everyone believes in a bizarely vindictive ‘god’. In fact isn’t that why Israel thinks its ok and even mandated to kill Palestinians? Their God likes murder but only of the right people.
Thanks.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2023 15:03 utc | 51

…..Al-Qassam Brigades: Our fighters killed 7 Zionist soldiers at point-blank range in the northern axis of Gaza City and incinerated an armored personnel carrier and two Zionist tanks at the same location after firing “Yassin 105” shells….
82 MBTs claimed so far

Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 15:05 utc | 53

Lord Andrew Roberts might do well to listen to this 13 year old Fenian boy sing 4 green fields – not a dry eye in the house
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GhUK1o592pk

Posted by: Exile | Nov 14 2023 15:07 utc | 55

Alistair Crooke out today:
The Unspoken Elephant in the Room of Netanyahu’s Intent in Gaza
In other places besides Unz too.
Looks like the wheels are starting to come off the chariot.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2023 15:08 utc | 57

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Nov 14 2023 13:52 utc | 16
Thanks for the depressing read as I never would have seen it if not here. It is a perfect example of Orwell’s doublespeak though.
But if read correctly, as I have learned to do over the past 40 years in the US, replace the words for Arab, Hamas or Palestinian with jew and/or zionist and suddenly it seems like the writer (or speaker) is actually living on the same planet as I.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 15:09 utc | 59

Muslim Philippinos (the ones who stood longest and strongest against American imperial rule of the Philippines) are protesting against American support of isreal.
Stones thrown and shots fired near the embassy in Manila.
They look pissed.
Xi cracks a tiny smile …
Aside:
I wonder how Muslims in Xinjiang are reacting to the news of their fellow Sunni Muslims in Gaza being slaughtered …?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 15:10 utc | 61

I wonder how Muslims in Xinjiang are reacting to the news of their fellow Sunni Muslims in Gaza being slaughtered …?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 15:10 utc | 34
Noted.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 15:15 utc | 63

Alistair Crooke out today:
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2023 15:08 utc | 32

Hamas’ main forces are sitting deep underground, for the right moment to engage the IDF (i.e. when they are on foot amidst the rubble). For now, the IDF are staying in their tanks. But sooner or later, they will have to engage with Hamas on foot. So, the fight with Hamas has barely begun.

If true, by the time Hamas’ main force begins to fight, the IDF would have expended huge amounts of ordnance.
Perhaps enough to risk depletion once other fronts become more active …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 15:25 utc | 65

Supposing that Global Times is the voice of Xinjiang Mislims:
An editorial in the Global Times on October 19 took aim at Western double standards in defending the human rights of Muslims in Xinjiang and Palestine. The article quoted James Kariuki, the United Kingdom’s deputy permanent representative to the United Nations, who, as the spokesperson for a group of 51 countries, criticized that “Members of Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim minorities in Xinjiang continue to suffer serious violations of their human rights by the authorities of the People’s Republic of China.”
This happened a day before U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s visit to Israel, which included a friendly exchange with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to whom Sunak confessed: “We want you to win.” Sunak was referring to Israel’s military operation in Gaza, which aims at defeating the militant group Hamas after a devastating attack in southern Israel. However, Israel’s relentless bombing campaign has killed far more than Hamas militants, with estimates putting the civilian death toll at over 11,000 – including over 4,000 children. Meanwhile, attacks against Palestinians are also on the rise in the West Bank, where Hamas does not exist and where Israel has been in contravention of international law for decades, leading to further casualties and ongoing human rights violations.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 15:27 utc | 67

If true, by the time Hamas’ main force begins to fight, the IDF would have expended huge amounts of ordnance.
Perhaps enough to risk depletion once other fronts become more active …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 15:25 utc | 37
Yes. One might think what they are doing is foolish.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2023 15:28 utc | 69

Non Muslims are fond of saying Suni Muslims or Shia Muslims. They have no idea what is the difference.
They are not sects but different school of thoughts in settling disputes of jurispudence..religiously, spiritually both are same rather identical.

Posted by: Muzaffar Ali | Nov 14 2023 15:29 utc | 71

From the same article, Crooke teases out the hidden power in Nasrallah’s ostensibly “mild” speech:

“The first essential point from Seyed Nasrallah’s address nonetheless, was that he effectively made Hizbullah the ‘guarantor’ of Hamas’ survival (specifically, identifying Hamas by name, rather than referring to ‘the resistance’ as a generic entity).
Hizbullah therefore restricts itself, for the interim, to (undefined) and limited operations on the Lebanese border environs – so long as Hamas’ survival is not at risk. The Party nonetheless promises to directly intervene in some way, should Hamas’ survival be imperilled.”

Those are no mere light words …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 15:32 utc | 73

People should have the right to end their life painlessly when suffering becomes too much. Not everyone believes in a bizarely vindictive ‘god’. In fact isn’t that why Israel thinks its ok and even mandated to kill Palestinians? Their God likes murder but only of the right people.
Thanks.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2023 15:03 utc | 29
Yes, a brother with liver cancer, got him into hospice just in time.
“We can misuse only things which are good.” Montaigne “Of Practice”

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 14 2023 15:33 utc | 75

Posted by: Muzaffar Ali | Nov 14 2023 15:29 utc | 38
It is not necessary to know the difference.
It is sufficient to know the difference exists.
Thereafter it can be used to turn father against son, brother against brother.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 15:35 utc | 77

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/14/chris-hedges-the-war-according-to-hamas/
“The Palestinian resistance understands its enemy. It has learned through experience how to fight it. This is not good news for Israel.”

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 15:38 utc | 79

Please pick apart or refine this idea.
Can it happen? Can it be prevented?
Not that I want to give them ideas, but I am sure Israel is planning to drill a shaft under Gaza, and put a nuclear warhead in it, say 300-400 meters under the city, then set it off.
The purpose of any incursion to Gaza is to conduct a pre-strike survey with the aim of maximum affect.
Allegedly, new nuclear devices, a primary wrapped in a multi-ton solid shell of iron, is used to entrain and limit the spread of radioactive daughter products. Thus, fallout and detection by radiacs, and weapons designed to minimize contamination, will hide the man made earthquakes.
These devices were envisioned under the Swords to Plowshares program for civilian applications of nuclear munitions for demolition.
The Hamas tunnels and the Gazans are doomed. A man made earthquake from a US/Israeli subsurface blast is going to end this phase of the war.
I believe it is very likely that such hybrid nuclear devices have been used in Yemen, as I observed one such explosion in a video of a alleged ammo dump.
What was interesting to me is that when the camera’s “electronic eye” was pointed at the subsequent mushroom cloud, scintillation caused by likely high energy gammas, sparkle across the image. However, when the camera is turned off axis from the explosion, the scintillation diminishes.
This is a telltale of a nuclear event(see videos of the Elephant’s foot in Cherynobl). In the videos taken by robots inside the Cherynobl show a similar pattern of scintillating on the electronic camera censor.
I imagine that any radioactive daughter products that get released will be claimed to due the use of depleted uranium munitions. Perhaps those crazy Gazans will use a dirty bomb on themselves, *wink* *wink*.
I believe the device has already been created and planned for use under the Russian lines in the Ukraine, possibly under cover of an accident at the Zaporiza nuclear plant.
Now the device is being prepared in Israel.
Of course, Iran will know the truth within hours after Gaza is hit by a devastating earthquake. Then Iran is going to tip in with its own nuclear attack on Tel Aviv, backed by Russia and China.
From the war games I heard about, tactical nuclear war always goes full strategic warfare within 10 days.
I have formal training in nuclear health physics and FEMA certifications in nuclear incident response; that is why I have such vivid nightmares.
Samson won’t be pulling down the pagan temple on himself, he’ll be in his command center sending the detonation command.

Posted by: ICPtasking | Nov 14 2023 15:54 utc | 81

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 14 2023 15:03 utc | 28
Hospitals have always been inviolable throughout wars. NATO may have bombed a few but Israel is systematically targeting them and nobody in the “civilized” world blinks. Unprincipled support of euthanasia for the mentally ill, autistic, drug addicts, homeless etc. has absolutely everything to do with supporting Israeli mass murder.
It shows that elites have complete disregard for human lives. This is not about principled use of euthanasia for those who suffer a lot. It’s gone way beyond even if you are not personally familiar with it.
It’s not only Canada, btw. I used it as an example but it’s expanding all over the free world with mission creep beyond just those who suffer from extreme physical pain and have a poor prognosis for survival.
https://care.org.uk/news/2023/10/medical-study-shows-autistic-people-have-been-euthanized-in-the-netherlands
Canadian food bank clients and disabled retirees facing financial insecurity are now considering doctor-assisted suicide to avoid living in poverty, several sources have reported.
https://www.ncregister.com/cna/hungry-poor-and-disabled-canadians-now-seeking-assisted-suicide
https://care.org.uk/news/2023/10/canada-considering-euthanasia-for-drug-addicts

Posted by: pq | Nov 14 2023 15:58 utc | 83

@Anon — 11
Could not have said it any better. “Dusty boy” was a total psyop BS nonsense to bomb Syria. Thank God it didn’t escalate and was just some cruise missiles that I don’t think actually killed anyone.
We all bemoan the power of the MIC and the neocons and the crazy media. Indeed, they are EXTREMELY POWERFUL. For the disgrace that was Solemeani assassination, thank the stars that we had Trump in there. These psychos wanted to wipe out Syria, full-on attack Iran, and directly confront Russia. The generals had THE PLAN FOR IRAN ALREADY IN PLACE and presented it, but Trump REFUSED to give the order. Can you imagine if Hillary was in there. The world dodged a huge bullet.
The Jews are not allowing the Gazans to bury their dead outside of Al Shifa hospital, even though there is no refrigeration, etc., just rotting corpses. I am pretty shocked by this. Who in the F do they think they are?? Their behavior is a stain that no amount of “crying victim” will wash away. I mean, even if they were cold blooded and callous and didn’t care, just the PR considerations would make one think to be careful. Absolutely outrageous.
As I’ve said previously, Israel is Israel’s own worst enemy. Their behavior has just been monstrous.

Posted by: Johnny | Nov 14 2023 15:59 utc | 85

The World Uyghur Congress (WUC), the most representative of the Uyghur organisations, issued a statement in which it “strongly condemns the horrific attacks by Hamas against Israeli civilians and is deeply concerned about the prospect of escalation of conflict and further loss of lives.
“We stand in solidarity with all those suffering from terror and war, and we keep all those impacted by violence in our prayers.
“The WUC urges the international community to act urgently to protect civilian lives and to establish an effective mechanism for a just and lasting peace in the Middle East.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 16:00 utc | 87

Not that I want to give them ideas, but I am sure Israel is planning to drill a shaft under Gaza, and put a nuclear warhead in it, say 300-400 meters under the city, then set it off.
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Samson won’t be pulling down the pagan temple on himself, he’ll be in his command center sending the detonation command.
Posted by: ICPtasking | Nov 14 2023 15:54 utc | 43
For one, I suppose that would end the policy of nuclear ambiguity.
For two, they should hope there’s no radiation contamination of the water table beyond Gaza: one hell of an own goal …
For three, I hope the blast politely limits itself to the Gaza fence, doesn’t destabilise any latent fault lines reaching into occupied Palestine, Egypt etc …
Not that they’ll do much, but I think it will make the Egyptians wake up and start evaluating their life choices too …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 16:04 utc | 89

The World Uyghur Congress (WUC), the most representative of the Uyghur organisations, issued a statement in which it “strongly condemns the horrific attacks by Hamas against Israeli civilians and is deeply concerned about the prospect of escalation of conflict and further loss of lives.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 14 2023 16:00 utc | 46
But what do actual Uighurs from Xinjiang say?
Berletic exposed the WUC as a wholly Western-fabricated regime change outfit existing outside of China.
One of those NED funded and created “NGOs” …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 16:09 utc | 91

Leader of Yemen’s Ansraullah Movement Abdul Malik Badreddine Al-Houthi said on Tuesday the Yemeni forces would make further attacks on Israeli targets in occupied Palestine and target Israeli ships in the Red Sea as well as the Bab al-Mandeb Strait.
Ansarullah Movement made several missile and drone attacks against Israeli targets this month, highlighting the risk of the Israeli war on Gaza spreading into the wider Middle East.
“Our eyes are open to constantly monitor and search for any Israeli ship in the Red Sea, especially in Bab al-Mandab, and near Yemeni regional waters,” Sayyed Al-Houthi said in a broadcast speech.
Sayyed Houthi stressed that the Yemeni forces will continued striking targeting inside occupied Palestine in support of the Palestinian people and resistance against the Zionist barbaric war.
Ansarullah Movement fired a large number of drones and ballistic missiles at Israeli targets in occupied Palestine to show solidarity with Gaza.
Source: Al-Manar English Website

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 14 2023 16:15 utc | 93

The Jews are not allowing the Gazans to bury their dead outside of Al Shifa hospital, even though there is no refrigeration, etc., just rotting corpses. I am pretty shocked by this. Who in the F do they think they are?? Their behavior is a stain that no amount of “crying victim” will wash away. I mean, even if they were cold blooded and callous and didn’t care, just the PR considerations would make one think to be careful. Absolutely outrageous.
Posted by: Johnny | Nov 14 2023 15:59 utc | 45
What you’re seeing is the end of all Western moral authority.
No Western country will ever be able to prattle on about Human Rights, genocide, ethnic cleansing to the RoW ever again.
Not to Iran.
Not to China.
Not to Russia.
Not to Cuba.
No more calls of “Assad must go”.
No more calls of “Putin is a killer”.
No more whining about the murder of journalists by authoritarian regime’s.
No more ‘concerned’ enquiries as to the welfare of persecuted minorities.
Forever faced with the image of Gaza reflected in response.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 14 2023 16:16 utc | 95

In the following article there is a photo showing destroyed(?) IDF tanks. It also talks about 160 destroyed armored vehicles (source Abu Obaida, Hamas spokeman) including 88 tanks (source Al-Jazeera Arabic, Fayez Al-Dairi).
The methodology (for the 160 number) was to count armored vehicles from satellite imagery between 3 November (383 vehicles on the streets) and 8 November (295 vehicles). The assumption was that IDF is on offensive, why withdraw vehicles?
I can not verify, I am only mentioning this for discussion. Does it sound likely? Can anyone confirm? Opinions?
Here is the article which is easy to machine-translate:
https://eksegersi.gr/diethni/oi-sionazistes-den-mporoyn-na-paroyn-ti-gaza/

Posted by: A.A. | Nov 14 2023 16:16 utc | 97

@Arch — 50
How right you are. Just as with the 2020 farce of an election, which clearly Xi and Putin know what happened, hell even AMLO of Mexico knew, they are no longer going to be lectured to about “democracy”, etc. Hence the confrontation with China in Alaska right afterwards. They all know the fix is in.
Same thing here, no more lecturing about “human rights” or the “rules of war”.
The respect and admiration that the Empire once had is now gone. Everyone knows it’s all rigged. The people have no say. Elections matter not. But the Empire wasn’t built in a day, and is more akin to a dangerous, flailing lunatic that can cause TREMENDOUS damage, so slow and steady is the path, as tragic as that may be for those stuck in Gaza right now.
Seeing these psycho Jews carpet bomb civilians in Gaza makes me and I hope the ROW appreciate Putin’s careful actions that much more. Even though it means the Russians must take more casualties, which is unfortunate, it just shows how a clear head and the removal of emotions is necessary for any statesman of note.

Posted by: Johnny | Nov 14 2023 16:26 utc | 99