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November 12, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-270
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“Palestinian Minister of Health Mai al-Kaila says Israeli forces “are not evacuating people from hospitals; instead, they are forcibly evicting the wounded and patients onto the streets, leaving them to face inevitable death”.Gaza City’s al-Shifa Hospital has been caught in Israel’s ground offensive and health officials said its cardiac ward has been destroyed.”
Aljazeera
Posted by: KingCobra | Nov 12 2023 13:37 utc | 1
“Palestinian Minister of Health Mai al-Kaila says Israeli forces “are not evacuating people from hospitals; instead, they are forcibly evicting the wounded and patients onto the streets, leaving them to face inevitable death”.Gaza City’s al-Shifa Hospital has been caught in Israel’s ground offensive and health officials said its cardiac ward has been destroyed.”
Aljazeera
Posted by: KingCobra | Nov 12 2023 13:37 utc | 2
List of Israeli supporting Companies that crazy Anti-Semitics want you boycott
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Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 13:47 utc | 3
List of Israeli supporting Companies that crazy Anti-Semitics want you boycott
https://www.betterworld.info/conflict-regions/israel-palestine/boycott-divestment-sanctions-bds/boycott-israeli-goods
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 13:47 utc | 4
There is probably a grain of truth in the narrative that Jonathan W is so eager to share- in the previous thread- regarding outbreaks of anger in Gaza against Hamas, for bringing war upon them.
It is understandable though, as the world knows, quite mistaken- Hamas is the least guilty of the several parties,including NATO and the US, involved.
The Daily Telegraph, which has been, under a series of titles, representing the views and desires of British ruling class Tories since Napoleon’s day, has taken/invented a tiny incident and made much of it.
They are following Blake’s observation that “A truth that is told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent.”
Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 14:01 utc | 5
There is probably a grain of truth in the narrative that Jonathan W is so eager to share- in the previous thread- regarding outbreaks of anger in Gaza against Hamas, for bringing war upon them.
It is understandable though, as the world knows, quite mistaken- Hamas is the least guilty of the several parties,including NATO and the US, involved.
The Daily Telegraph, which has been, under a series of titles, representing the views and desires of British ruling class Tories since Napoleon’s day, has taken/invented a tiny incident and made much of it.
They are following Blake’s observation that “A truth that is told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent.”
Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 14:01 utc | 6
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 13:47 utc | 2
Boycotting a foreign nation’s products while your own government in a supposedly democratic system is arming them is a bit misguided.
Citizens of the countries that are arming and supporting Israel need to take political action in their own countries. Israel is an artificial construct and its economy reflects that.
Let the people who claim to be different from the rest of humanity live on their own resources. Let them be a “nation apart” from the rest of humanity. Only that will cure them of their historic conceit.
In US, UK, Germany, etc, the citizens need to take their own governments to court. Make a case for not wanting to be a party to crimes against humanity. The entire approach of “Jew” centric approach is an error and ripe for desruption.
For you, the citizen of the “democratic” West, religion, ethnicity, complex history, none of this matters at all.
Your only decision, a simple decision, is if you support your nation contributing to a genocidal war. Cut off the funds, cut off the arms, cut off the diplomatic institutional cover. That will make an impact. Degrading some kibutz’s economic growth aint’ gonna do it.
Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 12 2023 14:05 utc | 7
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 13:47 utc | 2
Boycotting a foreign nation’s products while your own government in a supposedly democratic system is arming them is a bit misguided.
Citizens of the countries that are arming and supporting Israel need to take political action in their own countries. Israel is an artificial construct and its economy reflects that.
Let the people who claim to be different from the rest of humanity live on their own resources. Let them be a “nation apart” from the rest of humanity. Only that will cure them of their historic conceit.
In US, UK, Germany, etc, the citizens need to take their own governments to court. Make a case for not wanting to be a party to crimes against humanity. The entire approach of “Jew” centric approach is an error and ripe for desruption.
For you, the citizen of the “democratic” West, religion, ethnicity, complex history, none of this matters at all.
Your only decision, a simple decision, is if you support your nation contributing to a genocidal war. Cut off the funds, cut off the arms, cut off the diplomatic institutional cover. That will make an impact. Degrading some kibutz’s economic growth aint’ gonna do it.
Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 12 2023 14:05 utc | 8
a good interview, geo-politics … military
U.S. Colonel Larry Wilkerson
https://eisenhowermedianetwork.org/middle-east-policy-strategically-morally-bankrupt/
… so totally ugly stuff ….
decisions made, affecting whole societies!
from a Jewish perspective…
A History of Antisemitism, begins at 20:00
https://archives.kpfa.org/data/20231101-Wed1000.mp3
Posted by: kim sky | Nov 12 2023 14:07 utc | 9
a good interview, geo-politics … military
U.S. Colonel Larry Wilkerson
https://eisenhowermedianetwork.org/middle-east-policy-strategically-morally-bankrupt/
… so totally ugly stuff ….
decisions made, affecting whole societies!
from a Jewish perspective…
A History of Antisemitism, begins at 20:00
https://archives.kpfa.org/data/20231101-Wed1000.mp3
Posted by: kim sky | Nov 12 2023 14:07 utc | 10
Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 14:01 utc | 3
True. It also lays bare what the west wants to see and therefore sees. It justifies the genocide with the supposedly desirable outcome of people turning against Hamas, which in its eyes or fantasies is a genocidal regime. The level of desperation in this narrative (the wounded hand) suggests that this moral “justification” is failing and the west is therefore having to come to grips with its own utter moral bankruptcy.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 14:20 utc | 11
Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 14:01 utc | 3
True. It also lays bare what the west wants to see and therefore sees. It justifies the genocide with the supposedly desirable outcome of people turning against Hamas, which in its eyes or fantasies is a genocidal regime. The level of desperation in this narrative (the wounded hand) suggests that this moral “justification” is failing and the west is therefore having to come to grips with its own utter moral bankruptcy.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 14:20 utc | 12
@ robinthehood | Nov 12 2023 14:05 utc | 4
Walk, chew gum.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 12 2023 14:24 utc | 13
@ robinthehood | Nov 12 2023 14:05 utc | 4
Walk, chew gum.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 12 2023 14:24 utc | 14
Also referring to an earlier thread: I would like nothing more than sing praises to the Far East but it is also a fact that the Cultural Revolution led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands to millions of people (estimates vary).
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 14:34 utc | 15
Also referring to an earlier thread: I would like nothing more than sing praises to the Far East but it is also a fact that the Cultural Revolution led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands to millions of people (estimates vary).
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 14:34 utc | 16
@Exile Boycotting a foreign nation’s products while your own government in a supposedly democratic system is arming them is a bit misguided.
People like notng more than a demonstrative show of support and alignment.
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Nov 12 2023 14:37 utc | 17
@Exile Boycotting a foreign nation’s products while your own government in a supposedly democratic system is arming them is a bit misguided.
People like notng more than a demonstrative show of support and alignment.
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Nov 12 2023 14:37 utc | 18
Northern Front Hezbollah etc very Active today
https://english.almanar.com.lb/
Kinda like they waited until IDF fully committed in the South plus IDF in North blind because all the early warning towers gone ……
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 14:39 utc | 19
Northern Front Hezbollah etc very Active today
https://english.almanar.com.lb/
Kinda like they waited until IDF fully committed in the South plus IDF in North blind because all the early warning towers gone ……
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 14:39 utc | 20
I would like nothing more than sing praises to the Far East but it is also a fact that the Cultural Revolution led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands to millions of people (estimates vary).
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 14:34 utc | 8
All nations who made this transition paid for it in blood.
The West also paid for it in blood, probably to the same level as the Chinese – except that they paid 90% of that blood price with the blood of non-westerners – i.e the colonized natives they enslaved to the industrial machine that drove Western modernization.
Now, if the Chinaman had done like the White Man and perhaps picked some poor miserable savages from some obscure jungle to drive their industrialization efforts early on (somehow preserving the lives of their own?) – we’d be ok with that, right?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 14:51 utc | 21
I would like nothing more than sing praises to the Far East but it is also a fact that the Cultural Revolution led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands to millions of people (estimates vary).
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 14:34 utc | 8
All nations who made this transition paid for it in blood.
The West also paid for it in blood, probably to the same level as the Chinese – except that they paid 90% of that blood price with the blood of non-westerners – i.e the colonized natives they enslaved to the industrial machine that drove Western modernization.
Now, if the Chinaman had done like the White Man and perhaps picked some poor miserable savages from some obscure jungle to drive their industrialization efforts early on (somehow preserving the lives of their own?) – we’d be ok with that, right?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 14:51 utc | 22
How many current Western leader are on Mossad agent Epstein’s videos? No wonder there are no calls for Israel to stop the air strikes.
Posted by: KS Plainsman | Nov 12 2023 14:54 utc | 23
How many current Western leader are on Mossad agent Epstein’s videos? No wonder there are no calls for Israel to stop the air strikes.
Posted by: KS Plainsman | Nov 12 2023 14:54 utc | 24
Kinda like they waited until IDF fully committed in the South plus IDF in North blind because all the early warning towers gone ……
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 14:39 utc | 10
One could see that coming a mile away. Should have been obvious to the geniuses at IDF H.Q …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 14:55 utc | 25
Kinda like they waited until IDF fully committed in the South plus IDF in North blind because all the early warning towers gone ……
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 14:39 utc | 10
One could see that coming a mile away. Should have been obvious to the geniuses at IDF H.Q …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 14:55 utc | 26
List of Israeli supporting Companies that crazy Anti-Semitics want you boycott
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 13:47 utc | 2
Thanks.
A trick I read about a while back is to spread rumours of a “lucky poisoned package”, just waiting on a random shop shelf somewhere with a lethal does of anthrax worked into the contents.
A few phone calls to the media to get the news going could get an entire country in a panic.
No need to actually boycott anything yourself.
Just sit back and sip your Starbucks latte while watching nervous ex-customers file past the door …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 15:00 utc | 27
List of Israeli supporting Companies that crazy Anti-Semitics want you boycott
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 13:47 utc | 2
Thanks.
A trick I read about a while back is to spread rumours of a “lucky poisoned package”, just waiting on a random shop shelf somewhere with a lethal does of anthrax worked into the contents.
A few phone calls to the media to get the news going could get an entire country in a panic.
No need to actually boycott anything yourself.
Just sit back and sip your Starbucks latte while watching nervous ex-customers file past the door …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 15:00 utc | 28
Jonathan @ 8
Why not throw in the 1989 ‘massacre’ at Tiananmen Square, with some equally wild figures, while you are at it? (Regurgitating garbage Western presstitute media propaganda, that is.)
Posted by: Born Free | Nov 12 2023 15:03 utc | 29
Jonathan @ 8
Why not throw in the 1989 ‘massacre’ at Tiananmen Square, with some equally wild figures, while you are at it? (Regurgitating garbage Western presstitute media propaganda, that is.)
Posted by: Born Free | Nov 12 2023 15:03 utc | 30
Exile @ 10
Scanning the Israeli media tells a different story for the most part. Missiles falling in open areas, a few soldiers injured here and there, no talk of equipment damaged. Of course, both sides need to media to tell the story they want to tell to make them look good.
The horror continues…
Posted by: circumspect | Nov 12 2023 15:12 utc | 31
Exile @ 10
Scanning the Israeli media tells a different story for the most part. Missiles falling in open areas, a few soldiers injured here and there, no talk of equipment damaged. Of course, both sides need to media to tell the story they want to tell to make them look good.
The horror continues…
Posted by: circumspect | Nov 12 2023 15:12 utc | 32
A History of Antisemitism, begins at 20:00
https://archives.kpfa.org/data/20231101-Wed1000.mp3
Posted by: kim sky | Nov 12 2023 14:07 utc | 5
Why would anyone watch/trust KPFA? They were all in on the debacle of the Iraq war. It’s a Dem agency just as surely as CNN. The Bernie Sanders of news outlets.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 15:17 utc | 33
A History of Antisemitism, begins at 20:00
https://archives.kpfa.org/data/20231101-Wed1000.mp3
Posted by: kim sky | Nov 12 2023 14:07 utc | 5
Why would anyone watch/trust KPFA? They were all in on the debacle of the Iraq war. It’s a Dem agency just as surely as CNN. The Bernie Sanders of news outlets.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 15:17 utc | 34
Speech on Palestine
Bashar al Assad
video
https://youtu.be/ScboGWp4t84?t=112
Posted by: ld | Nov 12 2023 15:18 utc | 35
Speech on Palestine
Bashar al Assad
video
https://youtu.be/ScboGWp4t84?t=112
Posted by: ld | Nov 12 2023 15:18 utc | 36
I would like nothing more than sing praises to the Far East but it is also a fact that the Cultural Revolution led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands to millions of people (estimates vary).
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 14:34 utc | 8
There was this cultural revolution in the US called the civil war. It led to hundreds of thousands of deaths. Oh, it also ended slavery…
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 15:20 utc | 37
I would like nothing more than sing praises to the Far East but it is also a fact that the Cultural Revolution led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands to millions of people (estimates vary).
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 14:34 utc | 8
There was this cultural revolution in the US called the civil war. It led to hundreds of thousands of deaths. Oh, it also ended slavery…
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 12 2023 15:20 utc | 38
Ahenobarbus @ 17
KPFA lost its edge after coming under attack during the Shrub jr. administration. It was hard left for sure but I listened because some of the content was excellent and its nice to hear other peoples views and the eclectic music varieties offered. When Democracy Now became a regular I quit listening for the most part. Too mainstream for that station. The archives has some excellent history of times past in the SF Bay area. They are heavily reporting on Palestine now as they should be.
The “all in on Iraq” was probably Democracy Now. I would say all, except for the garbage from Democracy Now, are very much anti-war.
Posted by: circumspect | Nov 12 2023 15:34 utc | 39
Ahenobarbus @ 17
KPFA lost its edge after coming under attack during the Shrub jr. administration. It was hard left for sure but I listened because some of the content was excellent and its nice to hear other peoples views and the eclectic music varieties offered. When Democracy Now became a regular I quit listening for the most part. Too mainstream for that station. The archives has some excellent history of times past in the SF Bay area. They are heavily reporting on Palestine now as they should be.
The “all in on Iraq” was probably Democracy Now. I would say all, except for the garbage from Democracy Now, are very much anti-war.
Posted by: circumspect | Nov 12 2023 15:34 utc | 40
Speech on Palestine
Bashar al Assad
video
https://youtu.be/ScboGWp4t84?t=112
Posted by: ld | Nov 12 2023 15:18 utc | 18
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Thanks.
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 12 2023 15:39 utc | 41
Speech on Palestine
Bashar al Assad
video
https://youtu.be/ScboGWp4t84?t=112
Posted by: ld | Nov 12 2023 15:18 utc | 18
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Thanks.
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 12 2023 15:39 utc | 42
Speech on Palestine
Bashar al Assad
Posted by: ld | Nov 12 2023 15:18 utc | 18
—
Thanks.
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 12 2023 15:39 utc | 21
Yes, the man speaks well. Good to see him with a forum.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 12 2023 15:50 utc | 43
Speech on Palestine
Bashar al Assad
Posted by: ld | Nov 12 2023 15:18 utc | 18
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Thanks.
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 12 2023 15:39 utc | 21
Yes, the man speaks well. Good to see him with a forum.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 12 2023 15:50 utc | 44
Summary of activities on the “Hezbollah front” for the past 1.5 days:
It’s been even busier than in previous days …
2023-11-12
16:48 Israeli media: Air raid sirens sound in Acre, other northern towns
16:05 Al-Manar Correspondent in south Lebanon: Salvoes of rockets fired from south Lebanon towards occupied territories in Palestine
15:54 Islamic Resistance in Lebanon says direct casualties as fighters targeted Birkat Risha Israeli post
14:34 Al-Manar correspondnet: Israeli post near Mais Al-Jabal Lebanese border town targeted
14:25 Israeli media: Sirens sound in Shtula at Lebanon border
14:19 Islamic Resistance in Lebanon says targeted Israeli bulldozer near Dovev Barracks: Crew killed, forces in the area killed or injured
14:16 Al-Manar correspondnet in south Lebanon: Israeli occupation have struck border towns of Teir Harfa, Rmeish, Mais Al-Jabal, Yaroun, Shebaa, Kfarshouba and Shiheen
14:05 The Islamic Resistance in Lebanon: The targeted Israeli force was planning to install transmission towers and spying devices in a newly established post near Dovev Barracks
14:04 The Islamic Resistance in Lebanon announces targeting an Israeli logistics force near Dovev Barracks: Confirmed casualties among occupation forces
13:44 Israeli media: More missiles fired from Lebanon towards Israeli army posts in the north
13:29 1 Israeli critically injured, 3 to 5 others seriously wounded in anti-tank guided missile attack from Lebanon: Israeli emergency service
13:24 Israeli media: Israeli settlers in Galilee are ordered to stay in shelters
13:04 Israeli occupation army says “several wounded” in anti-tank guided missile atatck from Lebanon near Dovev
12:39 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Fire breaks out in Israeli Dovev Barracks after being targeted
12:06 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Israeli drone launched a missile towards Tal An-Nhas, north of the border town of Kfarkila
10:31 Islamic Resistance in Lebanon mourns Martyr All the Way to Al-Quds Hussein Ali Harb, “Muktar Thaqafi”, from Suhmor town in Western Bekaa
10:24 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Israeli artillery shells outskirts of Shiheen and Umm Al-Tout
10:22 Israeli media: Anti-tank missile fired from Lebanon as sirens sound in Western Galilee
09:59 Israeli media: Sirens sound in Upper and Western Galilee
09:58 Israeli artillery shells Kfarshuoba and Shebaa : Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon
00:56 Islamic Resistance in Iraq: Our Mujahideen targeted a site in occupied Umm Al-Rashrash (Eilat) with appropriate weapons
2023-11-11
18:43 Amal Movement mourns its fighter Ali Jameel Al-Hajj Dawood who embraced martyrdom in an Israeli attack on South Lebanon
14:32 Hezbollah Steps Up Attacks on IOF Border Sites, Inflicting Heavy Losses More..
10:14 Israeli media: 3 Israeli army soldiers are in serious condition after being injured yesterday in north
10:05 Israeli media: A building in Kiryat Shmona was hit by a missile or a suicide drone
Interesting: Amal fighters are directly involved.
(Amal is the military wing of the Harakat al-Mahrumin (The Movement of the Dispossessed) …)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 15:50 utc | 45
Summary of activities on the “Hezbollah front” for the past 1.5 days:
It’s been even busier than in previous days …
2023-11-12
16:48 Israeli media: Air raid sirens sound in Acre, other northern towns
16:05 Al-Manar Correspondent in south Lebanon: Salvoes of rockets fired from south Lebanon towards occupied territories in Palestine
15:54 Islamic Resistance in Lebanon says direct casualties as fighters targeted Birkat Risha Israeli post
14:34 Al-Manar correspondnet: Israeli post near Mais Al-Jabal Lebanese border town targeted
14:25 Israeli media: Sirens sound in Shtula at Lebanon border
14:19 Islamic Resistance in Lebanon says targeted Israeli bulldozer near Dovev Barracks: Crew killed, forces in the area killed or injured
14:16 Al-Manar correspondnet in south Lebanon: Israeli occupation have struck border towns of Teir Harfa, Rmeish, Mais Al-Jabal, Yaroun, Shebaa, Kfarshouba and Shiheen
14:05 The Islamic Resistance in Lebanon: The targeted Israeli force was planning to install transmission towers and spying devices in a newly established post near Dovev Barracks
14:04 The Islamic Resistance in Lebanon announces targeting an Israeli logistics force near Dovev Barracks: Confirmed casualties among occupation forces
13:44 Israeli media: More missiles fired from Lebanon towards Israeli army posts in the north
13:29 1 Israeli critically injured, 3 to 5 others seriously wounded in anti-tank guided missile attack from Lebanon: Israeli emergency service
13:24 Israeli media: Israeli settlers in Galilee are ordered to stay in shelters
13:04 Israeli occupation army says “several wounded” in anti-tank guided missile atatck from Lebanon near Dovev
12:39 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Fire breaks out in Israeli Dovev Barracks after being targeted
12:06 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Israeli drone launched a missile towards Tal An-Nhas, north of the border town of Kfarkila
10:31 Islamic Resistance in Lebanon mourns Martyr All the Way to Al-Quds Hussein Ali Harb, “Muktar Thaqafi”, from Suhmor town in Western Bekaa
10:24 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Israeli artillery shells outskirts of Shiheen and Umm Al-Tout
10:22 Israeli media: Anti-tank missile fired from Lebanon as sirens sound in Western Galilee
09:59 Israeli media: Sirens sound in Upper and Western Galilee
09:58 Israeli artillery shells Kfarshuoba and Shebaa : Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon
00:56 Islamic Resistance in Iraq: Our Mujahideen targeted a site in occupied Umm Al-Rashrash (Eilat) with appropriate weapons
2023-11-11
18:43 Amal Movement mourns its fighter Ali Jameel Al-Hajj Dawood who embraced martyrdom in an Israeli attack on South Lebanon
14:32 Hezbollah Steps Up Attacks on IOF Border Sites, Inflicting Heavy Losses More..
10:14 Israeli media: 3 Israeli army soldiers are in serious condition after being injured yesterday in north
10:05 Israeli media: A building in Kiryat Shmona was hit by a missile or a suicide drone
Interesting: Amal fighters are directly involved.
(Amal is the military wing of the Harakat al-Mahrumin (The Movement of the Dispossessed) …)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 15:50 utc | 46
US military aircraft lost south of Cyprus.
There is a USN P-3 (30 minutes ago @ ADS-B) orbiting the search area.
No release on type aircraft, claimed it was “training mission”. After dark.
Posted by: paddy | Nov 12 2023 15:51 utc | 47
US military aircraft lost south of Cyprus.
There is a USN P-3 (30 minutes ago @ ADS-B) orbiting the search area.
No release on type aircraft, claimed it was “training mission”. After dark.
Posted by: paddy | Nov 12 2023 15:51 utc | 48
srael has every right to remove that threat from its southern border using whatever it takes to do so…cheers
Posted by: james | Nov 12 2023 15:52 utc | 25
No, fake james, according to “international law”, israel has no right has no right of retaliation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 15:53 utc | 49
srael has every right to remove that threat from its southern border using whatever it takes to do so…cheers
Posted by: james | Nov 12 2023 15:52 utc | 25
No, fake james, according to “international law”, israel has no right has no right of retaliation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 15:53 utc | 50
LOL – fake james! @25…
As an apartheid regime Israel has no right of self defense and Hamas is righteous in any and all forms of resistance.
Israel is a colony of greed that’s going into the dustbin of history where it belongs.
Cheers!
Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 12 2023 15:55 utc | 51
LOL – fake james! @25…
As an apartheid regime Israel has no right of self defense and Hamas is righteous in any and all forms of resistance.
Israel is a colony of greed that’s going into the dustbin of history where it belongs.
Cheers!
Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 12 2023 15:55 utc | 52
The attack statrted on Al Aqsa
That’s why this battle is called Al Aqsa Deluge
Thanks for playing, James, better luck next time
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 15:55 utc | 53
The attack statrted on Al Aqsa
That’s why this battle is called Al Aqsa Deluge
Thanks for playing, James, better luck next time
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 15:55 utc | 54
No, fake james, according to “international law”, israel has no right has no right of retaliation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 15:53 utc | 26
What does international say the IDF is strictly allowed in response to October 7?
Posted by: william paul | Nov 12 2023 16:00 utc | 55
No, fake james, according to “international law”, israel has no right has no right of retaliation.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 15:53 utc | 26
What does international say the IDF is strictly allowed in response to October 7?
Posted by: william paul | Nov 12 2023 16:00 utc | 56
Posted by: william paul | Nov 12 2023 16:00 utc | 29
“What does international say the IDF is strictly allowed in response to October 7?”
I am pretty damned sure that it doesn’t allow Israel to bomb indiscriminately civilians, especially children.
Posted by: Morongobill | Nov 12 2023 16:05 utc | 57
Posted by: william paul | Nov 12 2023 16:00 utc | 29
“What does international say the IDF is strictly allowed in response to October 7?”
I am pretty damned sure that it doesn’t allow Israel to bomb indiscriminately civilians, especially children.
Posted by: Morongobill | Nov 12 2023 16:05 utc | 58
What does international say the IDF is strictly allowed in response to October 7?
Posted by: william paul | Nov 12 2023 16:00 utc | 29
To surrender to an international court of law to be tried for crimes against humanity preceding 7 October and be hanged by the neck until dead like their NAZI spiritual progenitors
HAMAS’ actual failure on October 7 was not capturing or killing the leadership of the IDF and bringing them to an international court of law.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:14 utc | 59
What does international say the IDF is strictly allowed in response to October 7?
Posted by: william paul | Nov 12 2023 16:00 utc | 29
To surrender to an international court of law to be tried for crimes against humanity preceding 7 October and be hanged by the neck until dead like their NAZI spiritual progenitors
HAMAS’ actual failure on October 7 was not capturing or killing the leadership of the IDF and bringing them to an international court of law.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:14 utc | 60
@bevin | Nov 12 2023 14:01 utc | 3
Hamas is the least guilty of the several parties,including NATO and the US, involved.
Being a tool is the worst conceivable sin. Hamas looks like a tool, sounds like a tool, plays like a tool: they are a tool for all intents and purposes. They are the tool that Israel is using to ethnic cleanse the Gaza Strip.
While the economic situation in Gaza was getting worse and worse, the leadership of Hamas was in Qatar partying on coke and whores; while the Gazans were protesting against the corruption and high taxes imposed by Hamas, the leadership of Hamas was in Qatar partying on coke and whores with the money of that corruption; while the Gazans are getting pummeled by Israel, the leadership of Hamas is in Qatar partying on coke and whores, after they give an excuse to the Israelis to start the war. The world is not going to give a damn. The world is ok with the genocide of the Yazidis, the plight of Eastern Churches, the ethnic cleansing of Papuans, the exterminations of Tigrayans and Amharas; the world did not care about the disaster in Donbass. Hamas leaders know well that they can go on partying in Doha, happy, because they did the right thing: filling their pockets.
Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 61
@bevin | Nov 12 2023 14:01 utc | 3
Hamas is the least guilty of the several parties,including NATO and the US, involved.
Being a tool is the worst conceivable sin. Hamas looks like a tool, sounds like a tool, plays like a tool: they are a tool for all intents and purposes. They are the tool that Israel is using to ethnic cleanse the Gaza Strip.
While the economic situation in Gaza was getting worse and worse, the leadership of Hamas was in Qatar partying on coke and whores; while the Gazans were protesting against the corruption and high taxes imposed by Hamas, the leadership of Hamas was in Qatar partying on coke and whores with the money of that corruption; while the Gazans are getting pummeled by Israel, the leadership of Hamas is in Qatar partying on coke and whores, after they give an excuse to the Israelis to start the war. The world is not going to give a damn. The world is ok with the genocide of the Yazidis, the plight of Eastern Churches, the ethnic cleansing of Papuans, the exterminations of Tigrayans and Amharas; the world did not care about the disaster in Donbass. Hamas leaders know well that they can go on partying in Doha, happy, because they did the right thing: filling their pockets.
Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 62
As the Occupying Power – Tel Aviv and the IDF are limited to essentially police actions against partisans/guerillas/bandits. Collective Punishment and Reprisals are major crimes of war.
Chapter 6 is worth studying closely
https://www.moore.army.mil/infantry/DoctrineSupplement/ATP3-21.8/PDFs/fm27_10.pdf
The 1956 version is best on Geneva
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 16:20 utc | 63
As the Occupying Power – Tel Aviv and the IDF are limited to essentially police actions against partisans/guerillas/bandits. Collective Punishment and Reprisals are major crimes of war.
Chapter 6 is worth studying closely
https://www.moore.army.mil/infantry/DoctrineSupplement/ATP3-21.8/PDFs/fm27_10.pdf
The 1956 version is best on Geneva
Posted by: Exile | Nov 12 2023 16:20 utc | 64
Good analysis of the Gaza extermination agenda by Israel:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-killing-fields-albert-einstein-foresight/5839352?doing_wp_cron=1699802256.8447020053863525390625
Posted by: krollchem | Nov 12 2023 16:26 utc | 65
Good analysis of the Gaza extermination agenda by Israel:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-killing-fields-albert-einstein-foresight/5839352?doing_wp_cron=1699802256.8447020053863525390625
Posted by: krollchem | Nov 12 2023 16:26 utc | 66
While the economic situation in Gaza was getting worse and worse, the leadership of Hamas was in Qatar partying on coke and whores …
Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 32
They sound remarkably like the Western leadership don’t they? Friends of Epstein, perhaps ?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:31 utc | 67
While the economic situation in Gaza was getting worse and worse, the leadership of Hamas was in Qatar partying on coke and whores …
Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 16:15 utc | 32
They sound remarkably like the Western leadership don’t they? Friends of Epstein, perhaps ?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:31 utc | 68
I am fake james and my tie hangs between Bibi’s legs. Lord, bless this meal I’m about to receive.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 12 2023 16:43 utc | 69
I am fake james and my tie hangs between Bibi’s legs. Lord, bless this meal I’m about to receive.
Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 12 2023 16:43 utc | 70
Re: Exile @2 comment;
Yes boycott Israeli supporting companies, but as many governments are complicit, most especially the U.S.A. government, much more needs to be boycotted. Basically, all western econonmic activity needs to go down.That means don’t buy anything, don’t go to any concerts, or do anything that costs money unless it is absolutely essential. Protest against, and withdrawal of all support to politicians supporting current Israeli policies is requisite also. Particularly, Biden and Nutandyahoo need to be recognized as partners in war crime. They need to be taken to the court in the Haque. The Euro’ stooges who follow them need to be held accountable too. Supporting Israel in any shape or form needs to become a real political and economic liability.
We all need to do the very little bit that we can, ’cause who knows what after Palastine what comes next if we don’t.
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Nov 12 2023 16:51 utc | 71
Re: Exile @2 comment;
Yes boycott Israeli supporting companies, but as many governments are complicit, most especially the U.S.A. government, much more needs to be boycotted. Basically, all western econonmic activity needs to go down.That means don’t buy anything, don’t go to any concerts, or do anything that costs money unless it is absolutely essential. Protest against, and withdrawal of all support to politicians supporting current Israeli policies is requisite also. Particularly, Biden and Nutandyahoo need to be recognized as partners in war crime. They need to be taken to the court in the Haque. The Euro’ stooges who follow them need to be held accountable too. Supporting Israel in any shape or form needs to become a real political and economic liability.
We all need to do the very little bit that we can, ’cause who knows what after Palastine what comes next if we don’t.
Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Nov 12 2023 16:51 utc | 72
HAMAS’ actual failure on October 7 was not capturing or killing the leadership of the IDF and bringing them to an international court of law.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:14 utc | 31
Have you seen this already? Starting from 2014 Hamas and Palestine made several attempts to go to ICC, ready to expose themselves to scrutiny too. It is always Israel which has refused.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/23/hamas-back-palestinian-bid-international-criminal-court
Posted by: pq | Nov 12 2023 16:52 utc | 73
HAMAS’ actual failure on October 7 was not capturing or killing the leadership of the IDF and bringing them to an international court of law.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:14 utc | 31
Have you seen this already? Starting from 2014 Hamas and Palestine made several attempts to go to ICC, ready to expose themselves to scrutiny too. It is always Israel which has refused.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/23/hamas-back-palestinian-bid-international-criminal-court
Posted by: pq | Nov 12 2023 16:52 utc | 74
Have you seen this already? Starting from 2014 Hamas and Palestine made several attempts to go to ICC, ready to expose themselves to scrutiny too.
Posted by: pq | Nov 12 2023 16:52 utc | 38
Just goes to show: This has nothing to do with “international law” in the end. Or, “international law” is not “international” at all …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:53 utc | 75
Have you seen this already? Starting from 2014 Hamas and Palestine made several attempts to go to ICC, ready to expose themselves to scrutiny too.
Posted by: pq | Nov 12 2023 16:52 utc | 38
Just goes to show: This has nothing to do with “international law” in the end. Or, “international law” is not “international” at all …
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:53 utc | 76
Watching DW Conflict Zone.
Tim Sebastian is plumbing the depths of Ami Ayalon’s depravity.
Ayalon is a former head of Shin Bet ter’rist gang. Lotsa childish mental gymnastics/flimsy moral equivalence.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 12 2023 16:54 utc | 77
Watching DW Conflict Zone.
Tim Sebastian is plumbing the depths of Ami Ayalon’s depravity.
Ayalon is a former head of Shin Bet ter’rist gang. Lotsa childish mental gymnastics/flimsy moral equivalence.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 12 2023 16:54 utc | 78
SG@32
This sort of rubbish is made available by the yellow press- there is no need for you to do their job for them.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 16:55 utc | 79
SG@32
This sort of rubbish is made available by the yellow press- there is no need for you to do their job for them.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 12 2023 16:55 utc | 80
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2023 16:58 utc | 81
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2023 16:58 utc | 82
More from our beloved The Telegraph:
Suella Braverman has described the pro-Palestine protests of the past three weekends as “hate marches”.
The Home Secretary said she would not hesitate to change the terror laws “if there’s a need” in order to combat “utterly odious bad actors” exploiting gaps in the legislation to stir up anti-Semitism.
Mrs Braverman confirmed that there was an “accelerated” terror threat as a result of the Israel-Hamas conflict, but said the national terror threat level was not being raised from substantial, which means an attack is likely, to severe, which means one is judged to be highly likely.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 17:00 utc | 83
More from our beloved The Telegraph:
Suella Braverman has described the pro-Palestine protests of the past three weekends as “hate marches”.
The Home Secretary said she would not hesitate to change the terror laws “if there’s a need” in order to combat “utterly odious bad actors” exploiting gaps in the legislation to stir up anti-Semitism.
Mrs Braverman confirmed that there was an “accelerated” terror threat as a result of the Israel-Hamas conflict, but said the national terror threat level was not being raised from substantial, which means an attack is likely, to severe, which means one is judged to be highly likely.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 12 2023 17:00 utc | 84
Chris Hedges, emoting from Doha, Qatar:
We are not hated for our values. We are hated because we have no values. We are hated because rules only apply to others. Not to us. We are hated because we have arrogated to ourselves the right to carry out indiscriminate slaughter. We are hated because we are heartless and cruel. We are hated because we are hypocrites, talking about protecting civilians, the rule of law and humanitarianism while extinguishing the lives of hundreds of people in Gaza a day, including 160 children.
https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/11/chris-hedges-the-horror-the-horror/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 12 2023 17:10 utc | 85
Chris Hedges, emoting from Doha, Qatar:
We are not hated for our values. We are hated because we have no values. We are hated because rules only apply to others. Not to us. We are hated because we have arrogated to ourselves the right to carry out indiscriminate slaughter. We are hated because we are heartless and cruel. We are hated because we are hypocrites, talking about protecting civilians, the rule of law and humanitarianism while extinguishing the lives of hundreds of people in Gaza a day, including 160 children.
https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/11/chris-hedges-the-horror-the-horror/
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 12 2023 17:10 utc | 86
@ 42 Posted by: Phil | Nov 12 2023 16:57 utc
“So many Muslim-lovers here who can`t wait to pray to effing Allah”
You are confused. Most here pray to peace no matter their God.
Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 12 2023 17:14 utc | 87
@ 42 Posted by: Phil | Nov 12 2023 16:57 utc
“So many Muslim-lovers here who can`t wait to pray to effing Allah”
You are confused. Most here pray to peace no matter their God.
Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 12 2023 17:14 utc | 88
Question:
Are any mainstream western media outlets reporting on the babies who have died in the past 24 hours at Shifa Hospital due to power cuts to the incubators?
I can only found live reporting on Al Jazeera as one by one the children die on the hospital floor where they’ve been placed.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:15 utc | 89
Question:
Are any mainstream western media outlets reporting on the babies who have died in the past 24 hours at Shifa Hospital due to power cuts to the incubators?
I can only found live reporting on Al Jazeera as one by one the children die on the hospital floor where they’ve been placed.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:15 utc | 90
A better map of US naval deployment. Click on the image to enlarge.
https://twitter.com/Intelligencefnt/status/1723693308931690998/photo/1
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2023 17:17 utc | 91
A better map of US naval deployment. Click on the image to enlarge.
https://twitter.com/Intelligencefnt/status/1723693308931690998/photo/1
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 12 2023 17:17 utc | 92
@ 42 Posted by: Phil | Nov 12 2023 16:57 utc
“So many Muslim-lovers here who can`t wait to pray to effing Allah”
Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 12 2023 17:14 utc | 46
As a Buddhist, I pray no nod gods and to me it does not matter what god the Muslims pray to.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:17 utc | 93
@ 42 Posted by: Phil | Nov 12 2023 16:57 utc
“So many Muslim-lovers here who can`t wait to pray to effing Allah”
Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 12 2023 17:14 utc | 46
As a Buddhist, I pray no nod gods and to me it does not matter what god the Muslims pray to.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:17 utc | 94
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:17 utc | 49
I did not post about praying to Allah. That was another poster.
I posted about praying to peace. AS A BUDDHIST! You should know exactly what I mean.
Maybe you should spend a bit more time meditating and lay off the internet for a while.
Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 12 2023 17:32 utc | 95
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:17 utc | 49
I did not post about praying to Allah. That was another poster.
I posted about praying to peace. AS A BUDDHIST! You should know exactly what I mean.
Maybe you should spend a bit more time meditating and lay off the internet for a while.
Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 12 2023 17:32 utc | 96
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:15 utc | 47
Obliquely…
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67385263
Chris Hedges tackles it head-on
https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/11/chris-hedges-the-horror-the-horror/
Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 12 2023 17:36 utc | 97
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:15 utc | 47
Obliquely…
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67385263
Chris Hedges tackles it head-on
https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/11/chris-hedges-the-horror-the-horror/
Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 12 2023 17:36 utc | 98
@Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:31 utc | 35
No, just an ordinary Sunni leadership.
@Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:15 utc | 47
Are any mainstream western media outlets reporting on the babies who have died in the past 24 hours at Shifa Hospital due to power cuts to the incubators?
Yes. Even Reuters.
Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 17:36 utc | 99
@Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 16:31 utc | 35
No, just an ordinary Sunni leadership.
@Arch Bungle | Nov 12 2023 17:15 utc | 47
Are any mainstream western media outlets reporting on the babies who have died in the past 24 hours at Shifa Hospital due to power cuts to the incubators?
Yes. Even Reuters.
Posted by: SG | Nov 12 2023 17:36 utc | 100