Palestine Open Thread 2023-267
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Posted by b on November 9, 2023 at 14:25 UTC | Permalink
next page »B, I think deVillepin is making a wrong comparison when he argues that (because) a million French left Algeria, Israelis colonizing the West Bank and E. Jerusalem could leave. Very different situations.
Posted by: Pundita | Nov 9 2023 14:46 utc | 2
Alastair Crooke talked with Judge Napolitano - “Israel v Gaza Elephant in the room” this morning
Posted by: Pundita | Nov 9 2023 14:54 utc | 3
Hezbollah is really burning down all the monitoring stations, leaving the border completely open. Two decades of construction, 10s of billions of dollars, completely gone.
https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1722617394961817719
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2023 14:55 utc | 4
B, I think deVillepin is making a wrong comparison when he argues that (because) a million French left Algeria, Israelis colonizing the West Bank and E. Jerusalem could leave. Very different situations.
Posted by: Pundita | Nov 9 2023 14:46 utc | 2
I think he is spot on, already a high percentage of Israeli citizens live elsewhere, and of those remaining many hold dual citizenship.
Posted by: SwissArmyMan | Nov 9 2023 14:57 utc | 5
Will Schryver on twitter posts....
Very few people realize the Houthis have, over the past few years, shot down at least:
3 F-15s, 3 F-16s, 3 Tornados, 1 Typhoon, and 1 Mirage 2000
Plus over a dozen Apaches and Blackhawks, an Osprey, and several dozen US/NATO-made drones.
Now imagine what Iran could do ...
Yes, what are Iranian capabilities.... Considering the Houthis source their missiles in Iran...
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 15:02 utc | 6
Pundita, sorry, I think you're confused, Algeria was considered France, French inhabited all the cities, the natives were either relegated to servants quarters or to toil in the country side. Entire cities were emptied and the natives rushed in. There are photos and I've heard the stories firsthand. American soldiers/contractors aren't allowed to walk freely on the streets of Algeria today (by US gov't) I've done so, stayed up late drinking tea in the cafes, wondering around alone, with my kids, or my Algerian wife. I'm blonde, 6ft and critical of US policy, I was treated wonderfully. (Truth be told they hate the French, but love Americans) They still tell stories of the US soldiers handing out candy. My aunt-in-law knew no English except, "hey you fuckers, get the hell out of here" as they'd mob the US soldiers who'd give them candy and then run them off.
Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 9 2023 15:06 utc | 7
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 15:02 utc | 5
Israel should be very thankful they don't share a border with Yemen. Got to hand it to the Houthis, fought the Saudi's to a standstill. Also like that they shot down that reaper drone. The US squawked that it was in international waters not sure if it was but the Houthi's said it was spying on them so they shot it down. Russia should emulate that attitude and shoot down drones over the black sea...
Posted by: ctiger | Nov 9 2023 15:13 utc | 8
Posted by: Pundita | Nov 9 2023 14:54 utc | 3
speaking of frequent Napolitano contributors (and the only one as far as I am aware), Macgregor turned out to be a zionist shill.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 15:14 utc | 9
Mark hope yours is BBBBIIIIGGGG.
I am off to our University today and maybe Portland Saturday.
I am beginning to think in the US that we need to get these movement to turn their attention to Ridding us of both parties. Both Parties, who like here in Oregon support the genocide, support arming Ukraine! And have both destroyed this country!
Posted by: Susan | Nov 9 2023 15:14 utc | 10
Dagny Taggart posts on Twitter...
The US is faced with a shortage of certain types of weapons supplied to Israel, Taiwan and Ukraine - and if the situation in the world continues to worsen, it risks exhausting its capabilities, The Economist.
So who exactly is running out / low on ammunition?
I've said previously.... The strategy of the EurAsians is to dis-arm NATO... one bomb at a time..
INDY
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 15:15 utc | 11
From Southfront, alongside Israel and the US, ISIS is also attacking Syria.
Undeniable at this point who ISIS’s sponsors and controllers are.
Posted by: Moses22 | Nov 9 2023 15:16 utc | 12
Posted by: Susan | Nov 9 2023 15:14 utc | 9
The two parties are different sides of the same coin, answering only to MIC and the globalists. if any serious opposition party materialized, it would be relentlessly attacked and demonized by both parties, the govenment and the MSM...
Posted by: ctiger | Nov 9 2023 15:20 utc | 13
A difficult topic: Jewishness and zionism. What are the intersections of zionism, genocidal, colonial anachronism, and Jewishness (I did not write Judaism to avoid reducing the question to Jewish religious fanatics).
I would post links to relevant articles but MoA website tends to block posts with links.
So first search on the web for "Zionism, Judaism and the Jewish State of Israel" by Lynda Burstein Brayer, a South African, Zionist-trained human rights lawyer who worked in occupied Palestine. It was published on the Saker's website. She is sometimes published on Mondoweiss too.
Israel’s Culture of Deceit by Chris Hedges is a recent post somewhat relevant to the delicate issue. Israel’s Biblical Psychopathy by Laurent Guyénot on UNZ is a must-read, about Zionist psychopathy and its roots in Jewish supremacy.
To quote Burstein Brayer as published on The Saker:
«This existential distinction between the Jew and the goy is reflected in the absence of a Jewish universal moral code, an absence which is not found within either Christianity or Islam. Judaism’s moral code is characterized by its particularity: it only binds Jews vis-à-vis Jews, not Jews vis-à-vis goys. The most outstanding exemplar of this system is that a Jew is not bound to save the life of a goy if saving the life requires the use of electricity or travelling in a motor vehicle, such as an ambulance, because such activities are forbidden on the Sabbath as they are considered forms or work, and a Jew may not work on the Sabbath. a Jew may do so for another Jew according to the law known as pikuah nefesh which translates as saving a soul. A Jew not only may break the Sabbath to save a Jewish soul, he is obligated to do so. Pikuah may be translated as to take care of and to oversee, and nefesh means soul: because goys do not have souls, pikuah nefesh cannot be applied. In addition, another exceptional phenomena of the Jewish moral code is that it does also not make truth binding upon the Jew with respect to the goy. There are only two instances where it is recommended that a Jew ought to tell the truth to a goy: when there is a danger to his life, or if it is in the interests of the Jew or the Jewish community.
The question may now be asked as to why this information has been placed as a prolegomena to a description and analysis of the laws and practices of the Jewish state. The reason is quite straightforward: everything that I have described does not fall within the written laws passed by the legislative body of Israel, the Knesset, but serves, rather, as the matrix in which the laws are embedded and out of which the laws spring.»
Lynda Burstein Brayer goes to the heart of the problem, very few Gentiles or goy understand the tragedy and danger of those millennial layers of pathological Jewish socialization. There is no PC way to describe it.
Of course, many Jews in the imperial West, who like to think of themselves as "progressive" or even "antizionist" (very few really are, when it comes to the right of existence of a jewish settler entity and the obligation for jews to give back what they stole in the last century to Palestinians, including refugees).
If you take the time to read the mentioned introductions into the psycho and social pathology of zionism and Jewish supremacism, then I will add a few comments.
A post-zionist Palestine and post-zionist world will have to see jews disarmed, and the (real) international community will have to prevent any Jewish group from bearing weapons ever again. Or have any prominent role in any security state apparatus. It is too dangerous for humankind.
All Jews, including the so-called religious "anti-zionists" (who are enrolling in the ZOF to genocide the Gaza concentration camp) that are fooling the Gentiles, and the left "anti-zionists" that always insist on controlling the goys messaging around Palestine, Zionism, the Jews etc. Those all have one thing in common with their zionists relatives: when the Gentiles get angry and start to see the deceit, they form one monolithic (and psychopathic) block to deflect, diffuse, obfuscate and fight against any resistance. Even if it contributes to the endless cycle of anger, rebellion, pogroms etc. Then the lies are natural, instinctive, it does not matter how absurd or obscene, the gentiles are things, or "human animals", or (for post-religious jews on the left) fully humans but still, they are a threat, they cannot be allowed to see, name, speak about this diasporic supremacism. That refusal to allow outside criticism (and of course self-criticism) is of course feeding judeophobia and pogroms, thus repeating the cycle.
«The brazenness of Israeli lies stunned those of us who reported from Gaza. It did not matter if we had seen the Israeli attack, including the shooting of unarmed Palestinians. It did not matter how many witnesses we interviewed. It did not matter what photographic and forensic evidence we obtained. Israel lied. Small lies. Big lies. Huge lies. These lies came reflexively and instantly from the Israeli military, Israeli politicians and Israeli media. They were amplified by Israel’s well-oiled propaganda machine and repeated with a cloying sincerity on international news outlets.» Chris Hedges, Israel's culture of deceit.
Jews, those not already devoured from the inside by this psychopathy, need to self-reflect deeply and stop fighting against Goy resistance and criticism, but instead embrace it. And of course, help to defeat zionism, without any right, attempt or desire to control antizionism. Then Jewishness might heal and be able to relate as equals to non-Jews.
Posted by: Decolonial | Nov 9 2023 15:25 utc | 14
Ctuger true But I still think a fight against both parties will weaken both. We do not need to endorse any candidate just get people to boycott either party
Posted by: Susan | Nov 9 2023 15:26 utc | 15
b, I learn as much from the comment section as I do from main blog. Thank you for the MoA, and also thanks to all those who post informative, well considered comments.
Falsehoods keep us in a fake euphoria or else in despair. Only the truth sets us free.
Posted by: Moses22 | Nov 9 2023 15:33 utc | 16
Link to Today's Crooke Napolitano talk. The discussion begins with Ukraine then moves to Palestine. Neither can come out and call what's happening Genocide--"ethnic cleansing" and "war crimes"--but not the G word, which is the real elephant in the room. The Palestine portion begins about the 11:00 mark.
Scott in Dallas @6 - Not confused. My point entirely. His comparison completely off the mark.
Posted by: Pundita | Nov 9 2023 15:37 utc | 18
@13 Decolonial
This is a very important question, especially for progressive minded people. I have approached all religions as having something good to offer, and all ultimately leading us to a transcendent existence if not a Universal Being.
I have lately come to the sad and uncomfortable conclusion that Judaism does not fit into the above. It is more like a cult than a religion. I recommend reading Israel Shahak and his wonderful little book on 3,000 years of Jewish history and religion, with a forward by Gore Vidal and another forward by Edward Said.
Posted by: Moses22 | Nov 9 2023 15:40 utc | 19
Doh it’s uncanny how often a new thread opens while I am writing on the old one 😬
Hence a repost.
For the trolls who have been trying to sale the crap of 1500 massacred by Hamas who just happened to stroll in that day . Not knowing where they were going, surprised they were able to get in so easily and told to gather a few hostages. Not carry out a mass slaughter. It Takes a lot of ammo though achieve that number of deaths… which they weren’t carrying on there , checks notes …paragliders 🥴
Anyway.
It is now being admitted that 10/7 was a preplanned false flag. It has multiple objectives as all such conspiracies do. And a lot of cover and smoke to hide real purposes.
Yes they want to clear Gaza and West Bank and retain the last colony of the Euro imperialism in the Levant. But they also are losing by everywhere else too.
Maybe they want to go out with a bang rather than a whimper. But this time they won’t get away with it by being thousands of miles away behind the front, hidden even behind politicians and generals- the Multipolaristas know who they are and where.
As i speculated early on that it was probably a cover for Israeli soldiers deaths in Ukraine, they can’t be admitted to have died there , they needed some pretext for their deaths in Israel itself where the charred bodies would never be examined by pathologists to determine which bullets killed them - god forbid if it turns out they were Russian!
All these ships in a pond next to Israel , all these military planes that landed there from Europe in last few weeks - I do so hope they didn’t bring natzo troops to help out likckle wickle iswal in terrorising and murdering in cold blood tens of thousands of Palestinians and suddenly being hit by missiles that BURN a few thousand of them to death too!
At least they’ll get their military funeral and some dumb story for their families.
Hey some may get the Viking funeral in a few of these floating by targets in a barrel in the gulf !
If only the pesky Arabs would just hurry up and fire a few anti ship missiles - but they keep refusing to be incited!! Bastards.
Here is some Twitter about the admissions of the pilots.
‘ PVPGurl Gigi
@PVPGurl
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Replying to @SamParkerSenate
Many of the civilian deaths came from Israeli Apache pilots not knowing who was Hamas & who were civilians so they just fired a huge amount of munitions at everyone fleeing the Nova festival:
Israel’s two Apache helicopter squadrons had 8 choppers in the air, “and there was almost no intelligence to help make fateful decisions,” Mako reported. The squadrons did not reach full strength until noon.
As the wave of infiltrations from Gaza drove chaos on the ground, discombobulated Israeli pilots unleashed a frenzy of missile and machine gun salvos: “The Apache pilots testify that they fired a huge amount of munitions, emptied the ‘belly of the helicopter’ in minutes, flew to re-arm and returned to the air, again and again. But it didn’t help and they understand it,” Mako reported.
The Apache helicopters appear to have focused on vehicles streaming back into Gaza from the Nova electronic music festival and nearby kibbutzes, attacked cars with apparent knowledge that Israeli captives could be inside. They also fired on unarmed people exiting cars or walking on foot through the fields on the periphery of Gaza. One Apache pilot reflected on the tortuous dilemma of whether to shoot at people and cars returning to Gaza. He knew that many of those vehicles may have contained Israeli captives. But he chose to open fire anyway. “I choose targets like that,” the pilot reflected, “where I tell myself that the chance that I am shooting here on hostages as well is low.” However, he admitted that his judgment “was not 100%.”
“I understand that we have to shoot here and quickly,” the commander of the Apache unit, Lt. Col. E., told Mako in a separate report. “Shooting at people in our territory – this is something I never thought I would do.”
Lt. Col. A., a reserve pilot in the same unit, described a fog of confusion: “I find myself in a dilemma as to what to shoot at, because there are so many of them.”
A report on the Apache squadrons by the Israeli outlet Yedioth Aharanoth noted that “the pilots realized that there was tremendous difficulty in distinguishing within the occupied outposts and settlements who was a terrorist and who was a soldier or civilian… The rate of fire against the thousands of terrorists was tremendous at first, and only at a certain point did the pilots begin to slow down the attacks and carefully select the targets.” ‘
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“Thousands of Terrorists “ - they think we are fools !
Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 9 2023 15:42 utc | 20
@18 Moses22
Thanks for the link, and for being here!
Posted by: Decolonial | Nov 9 2023 15:44 utc | 21
Middle East Eye is updating its news live.
"Fares, a medical student who is volunteering in Gaza’s al-Aqsa Hospital tells Middle East Eye’s contributor Ahmed Al Sammakk that the situation is “horrific and unspeakable” right now.
:“Two days ago, a bag of body parts was brought to the hospital. A man identified his niece from her hand and another relative from a leg. He was unable to identify other relatives by the other body parts,” he said.
"Fares says that roads to hospitals have been bombed, houses levelled, with hundreds trapped under the rubble....."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-live-gaza-hamas-war-invasion
It also reports thst "Students at 28 universities across the UK are staging a walkout in order to call for a ceasefire on Thursday and Friday.
"Those participating are demanding the immediate lifting of the siege on Gaza..."
The United States government has moored its fortune to the sinking hulk of Israeli fascism and ultra racism.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 9 2023 15:48 utc | 22
Re: northern front
……17:26 The Islamic Resistance confirms that two Merkava tanks were hit and their crews were killed or wounded during the missile attack on the Israeli site of Metulla….
Comment - takes the claimed count up to 65 MBTs knocked out in both Northern and Fromts.
How Many Main Battle Tanks in the IDF ?
From Wikipedia
Active in Service
160 Merkava 3
330 Merkava 4
———————-
490 total Active
Mothballed/Storage
660 Merkava 3
220 Merkava 4
———————
880 total Mothballed
Posted by: Exile | Nov 9 2023 15:49 utc | 23
3,000 years of Jewish history
Posted by: Moses22 | Nov 9 2023 15:40 utc | 18
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Such bullshit.
All the Abrahmic beliefs were re-codified around 500CE.
The synchronicity of the new canonizations informs that an external broad cultural undercurrent was at work.
Posted by: too scents | Nov 9 2023 15:51 utc | 24
I don't want to ruin watching the video, but the main point IMO is made at the end--the Outlaw US Empire is "powerless" to halt the Zionist Crimes--Napolitano is correct to call it "a game" as his body language conveys the reality that it's a cynical game that's been ongoing for decades. As many here have noted, the Zionists control the Outlaw US Empire in this region, while those running the government cannot define what specific national security interests are threatened by the Palestinian revolt.
"The WSWS calls for the end to the reactionary Zionist capitalist state, whose existence is based on the colonialist theft of Palestinian land. It has been sustained for 75 years through brutal oppression, with relentless acts of violence now culminating in outright genocide. The claim that opposition to mass murder by the Israeli state is “antisemitism” is a contemptible lie and a libel against Jewish people."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/11/09/lkrk-n09.html
Total agreement with this statement, although I'm not sure this group is willing to really fight.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 9 2023 15:54 utc | 27
bevin | Nov 9 2023 15:48 utc | 21--
The United States government has moored its fortune to the sinking hulk of Israeli fascism and ultra racism.
That's one of several points made by Crooke. Yes, the Empire is complicit in the War Crimes. The entire world sees the horrors more than those in the Empire and thus global enmity is escalating. There are "free agents" not associated with Iran within Iraq that are attacking the Empire's bases, causing casualties and are very likely to escalate the ferocity of their attacks. And then there're the key bases in Qatar and Bahrain along with those in Syria.
I'll post this info later; in her weekly briefing, Zakharova mentioned the Zionists are playing games over the evacuation of Russian citizens from Gaza, and that's a big mistake.
It's always been interesting to me how so many Jews do not believe in the Jewish god, but also believe they are 'chosen' by the god they don't believe in.
And yeah, 3,000 years of jewish history - and we can't remember what we had for dinner last night.
Recommend The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed. It's called Judaism for a very good reason. Judah. Who was rejected by 10 of the Israelite tribes.
Cheers.
Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 9 2023 16:06 utc | 30
MK Bhadrakumar sums the Middle Esast situation up brilliantly today.
And things could hardly be worse for the Empire- there is a price to be paid for decades of galloping hunbris topped off with the installation of a demented crook as President.
"..The forthcoming first visit by Iran’s President Ebrahim Raisi to Saudi Arabia on November 13 marks a milestone in the rapprochement between the two countries mediated by China in March. The relationship is fast acquiring a qualitatively new level of solidarity in the context of the Palestine-Israel conflict.
"This marks a shift in the tectonic plates in regional politics, which has long been dominated by the United States but no longer so...
"...events since October 7 make it abundantly clear that the US attempts to integrate Israel into its Muslim neighbourhood in its terms is a pipe dream — ie., unless and until Israel is willing to turn its sword into plowshares. The ferocity of the Israeli revenge attacks on the people of Gaza — “animals” — smacks of racism and genocide...."
"...the high probability is that it is now a matter of time before the global community insists on stopping the Israeli apartheid state on its tracks. For, when Muslim countries unite, they call the shots in the emerging multipolar world order. Their demand that a settlement of the Palestine problem brooks no further delay has gained resonance, including in the Western Hemisphere."
https://www.indianpunchline.com/arab-iran-amity-is-a-geopolitical-reality/
That rustling in the distance is the sound of cards being folded in Washington- the game is coming to an end.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 9 2023 16:07 utc | 31
I'm having great difficulty believing "Israel's" claim in the Oz MSM that there are IOF boots on the ground suŕrounding Gaza City. I've seen pics of "Israeli" Main Battle Tank joyriders looking for soft targets.
But my understanding of warfare sequence is that you don't put boots on ground until there are obvious signs that your remote aerial and artillery bombardment (from a safe distance) has yielded a visible weakening of the target's effectiveness.
I'll never believe that the IOF has members brave/foolhardy enough to dive into HAMAS' tunnel network and expect to survive.
Imo, the fakery is exposed by the fact that the IOF Airfarce has stepped up the ferocity of its bombing.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 9 2023 16:09 utc | 32
Link to Today's Crooke Napolitano talk. The discussion begins with Ukraine then moves to Palestine. Neither can come out and call what's happening Genocide--"ethnic cleansing" and "war crimes"--but not the G word, which is the real elephant in the room. The Palestine portion begins about the 11:00 mark.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 9 2023 15:35 utc | 16
Tbh, I stopped listening to Crooke many months ago because how to say this politely, I find him to have a 19th century colonial mentality. With his soft spoken manner he drops xenophobic and Islamophobic seeds when he talks. He mentions immigrants in Italy (in other talks) as if they arrived from Mars. He is part of the clique that created all these problemss in my view. While he may have been involved in hostage swaps a while back it doesn't seem he has any special inside info from contacts now.
@bevin 21 That middle east eye update is too horrifying. I don't know how people can recover from things like that. But they must.
Posted by: pq | Nov 9 2023 16:10 utc | 33
Summary from the South Lebanon front for 10/11/2023:
17:13 Fresh explosions reported at the Ain al-Assad base, which is under American occupation in western Iraq
17:09 Islamic Resistance announces it successfully targeted an Israeli mechanized infantry force in the occupied Lebanese village of Tarbikha (Shomera), achieving direct hits
16:55 Video | Drone Explosion in Eilat More..
16:23 Al-Manar correspondent: Israeli artillery bombed the Kafr Kila meadow, the outskirts of the town of Burj al-Muluk, the Hamames area in Khiam, the Marjayoun plain, and Abel al-Qamh
15:43 Islamic Resistance: Our fighters attacked the Metula site with guided missiles and caused direct hits in support of Palestinian people, resistance in Gaza
15:42 Israeli Channel 14: The explosion in Eilat was caused by a suicide drone that exploded in the city
13:50 Jenin-based resistance fighters detonate explosive device targeting Israeli tank: Palestinian sources
12:33 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Israeli artillery shells border town of Qatmoun, area between Ramieh and Beit Lif
12:01 Al-Manar correspondent in south Lebanon: Israeli artillery shells outskirts of Rmeish border town
In 30 years I've not seen such timid responses from 'israel' against the Lebanese. 2006 must have left a deep and lasting scar ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 9 2023 16:11 utc | 34
Isreal Shahak said it honestly. I reading his books, which clearly explain how these monsters think, and how corrupt they are in every cell of their being. Shahak's books clearly detail, from the very writings that the monsters rely on historically for every aspect of their belief systems, that the religion of these monsters justifies the genocide.
They all live by it. All of them. There are no innocents among the monsters. They control our government, military, budgets, media, horrorwood censorship, public policy, food production...literally they control America. We are ruled by a morally bankrupt foriegn power. How much longer will we goyim sit idle while we are murdered, one at a time in countless ways?
The monsters will never change. We are all ignorant peons, who have no future except as slaves unless we make better choices. We need to conduct self defensive actions to regain control of ourselves, our country, and our world.
Posted by: no lies no wars | Nov 9 2023 16:13 utc | 35
About Judaïsm and Sionism.
Sionism is a political stance. An opinion held by some people who engage their responsability. We can argue about it.
Judaïsm, like all religion or cultural backgroud, is the way of life and praise of human people.
It is the same with any other culture, It must be respected. It is the core of feeling of people. We each have things we respect.
There is a huge difference between political thinking and cultural or religious elaboration.
The amalek part of the Bible can not stand as it is. But we have a duty if our aim his global peace to discriminate and not amalgamate.
Rectitude is needed. We can ask for a human sense of things in each culture, but we have to grow axare that generalisation are misleading.
Posted by: Baile | Nov 9 2023 16:19 utc | 36
@ no. 8 by way of no. 3
Would like to hear more of this "MacGregor is a zionist shill." How, why, where?
Posted by: botete | Nov 9 2023 16:25 utc | 37
Regarding the point made by @Karlofi 24 about the Empire being powerless, this may seem very woo woo
but in trying to figure out who's the top dog here I found this video interesting. She also has two other videos worth watching. One is Israelis recounting what they did in 1948 and the other is of Yahoo when he declares war on resistance to an occupying power.
https://bombardsbodylanguage.com/2023/10/17/body-language-netanyahu-antony-blinken/
I've been puzzled myself. Biden is clearly not all there. Nuland's pet project was Ukraine. Blinken in this video seems like an out of place messenger boy. Yahoo is clearly dominating. The real powers are hidden in the shadows. Meanwhile it's like the killer robot has gone rogue and taken over the programmers. But thinking back to Yahoo's ordering the Congress around in 2015 but also how he pushed for the Iraq war in 2002, this goes back a long way.
Personally I believe nobody is in charge any more. Hamas' caper ended up being a Black Swan event that has exposed all the fractures and rifts in the various vassals who tied their fate to the US Empire and meanwhile the US UK Empire is exposed as Punch and Judy puppet show with a psycho Israeli Cabinet at the strings...except they don't know what they're doing either besides breaking all their toys in a fit of rage.
Posted by: pq | Nov 9 2023 16:25 utc | 38
@ pq
earlier in the thread you slammed Crooke including that you stopped listening to him; do you have something specific to refer us to or is this simply you don't like his manneerisms?
these smears on people like MacGregor and Crooke seem a little sly to me especially when not backed up specifically.
Posted by: botete | Nov 9 2023 16:34 utc | 39
re macgregor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSxpzOojtCs&t=43s
judge for yourself.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 16:35 utc | 40
Macgregor compares the slaughter to war crimes in world war 2. same tack zionist shills are taking. this isn't a war between more or less equal rival states, it's a genocide. it's not a smear to go by the guy's own words. is that specific enough for you?
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 16:39 utc | 41
Baile @35
Friend, this has been exactly my erroneous thinking since I was a schoolboy. I now see at age 63 I was quite wrong. Zionism is to classical Judaism thought what fish are to water. This whole issue of Untermenschen and human animals is the other side of the coin of “Chosen People”.
Read Israel Shahak. I provided the link to his book in a post above.
Posted by: Moses22 | Nov 9 2023 16:43 utc | 42
How Oil Companies Play Monopoly - Peter Barnes : Peter Barnes
https://peter-barnes.org/article/how-oil-companies-play-monopoly/
Yuval Steinitz - Wikipedia head of energy in Israel until a few years ago all about switch from coal to gas
and the Lavantine Pipe line to Italy, Greece and Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuval_Steinitz
https://www.southfront.press/follow-the-gas-to-understand-the-war-between-israel-and-hamas/
“A turning point was the Israeli military operation in Gaza in December 2008 – wrote Mahmoud Elkhafif, coordinator for Palestine of Unctad, a UN agency – Following the operation, the Palestinian natural gas fields they were effectively placed under Israeli control without regard to international law. The question of sovereignty over the Gaza gas fields is crucial. From a legal point of view, the gas reserves belong to the occupied Palestinian territories.”
The Likud Party: A Primer on JSTOR https://www.jstor.org/stable/2537218
apparently Biden has signed a defense pact with the Saudi ..which has become a formal treaty
https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2022/04/23/saudi-arabia-targets-a-more-republican-washington/ anyone know anything about this?
I believe the entire reason for pushing those in Gaza out is about who profits in the oil and gas benefits..
read the above links and tell me if you don't come to the same conclusion.
here is the background i published yesterday.. it invludes some useful maps.
here is the link: https://southfront.press/follow-the-gas-to-understand-the-war-between-israel-and-hamas/
clearing the Palestinians out of Gaza is a must for the gas pipeline deals designed to force Russia out of Europe. see also these links for more
https://www.timesofisrael.com/monopoly-nation-how-a-handful-of-firms-control-prices-hold-israelis-to-ransom/
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/standing-up-to-israels-gas-monopoly/
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israel-gives-nod-gaza-marine-gas-development-wants-security-assurances-2023-06-18/
https://www.rt.com/business/586105-kiev-gas-transit-deal-moscow/
https://www.tiktok.com/@richardmedhurst/video/7295815659764714785?_r=1&_t=8gxCY2v3Hk1
https://www.newarab.com/sites/default/files/2023-06/afp.com-20120717-GR-INFO-GR309277-preview.jpg
https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FF88GBvbXQGwndIi.jpg
Posted by: snake | Nov 9 2023 16:43 utc | 43
Snake — again thank you for the links yesterday re the gas situation. This discussion by an Egyptian career diplomat, Heshga Youssef is a clearer intro to the topic than the SouthFront one, which while very informative is hard to get through:
“How a Gaza Marine deal would benefit Palestinians, Israelis and the region.”
Posted by: Pundita | Nov 9 2023 16:48 utc | 44
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 16:39 utc | 40
Been missing your fine tuning. Glad you're back.
Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 9 2023 16:48 utc | 45
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 15:02 utc | 5
I find military analysis such as yours to betray a lack of expertise to opine on such matters.
A few basic facts undermine your notions.
First one is the fact that the caliber of the crew operating equipment is a very significant factor in their warmaking abilities.
The second one is that these stats are results of a complex of interacting capabilities (or lack thereof). USA AF operating warplanes, for example, is not the same thing as KSA AF the very same machines. These are two different militaries and KSA is simply not in the same league, though there is a pretense at playing the same sport. This is is true in matters ranging from budget, doctrine, institutions, training, motivation, logistics, ....
Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 9 2023 16:50 utc | 47
Posted by: pq | Nov 9 2023 16:25 utc | 37
Think you are wrong.
US is simply sidelining with IS, while pretending it is not.
If US really wanted to put IS on the line, it will be as simple as telling Netanyau that they will take off carrier groups, military and economic assistance and support inside UN.
I guess Bibi will comply and start wagging is tail.
Posted by: Mario | Nov 9 2023 16:51 utc | 49
@ pq
earlier in the thread you slammed Crooke including that you stopped listening to him; do you have something specific to refer us to or is this simply you don't like his manneerisms?
these smears on people like MacGregor and Crooke seem a little sly to me especially when not backed up specifically.
Posted by: botete | Nov 9 2023 16:34 utc | 38
"The rise of anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe has become another factor impeding the EU’s ability to respond to the Islamist challenge." Crooke in 2011 in the London Review of Books, Vol. 33 No. 5 · 3 March 2011.
Anybody who talks about "Islamist Challenge" is one of the operators that helped create the Islamist Challenge in the first place as a tool of Empire.
I am allowed to have my opinion. I followed both MacGregor and Crooke on Ukraine for many months and agreed with much of their analysis on that issue.
However both of these are fundamentally against a shift of power from the Empire to non-white, non-Christian players. That's why Rusia is "OK" and they are not rabidly anti-Russian.
The difference between Russia/Ukraine and Palestine/Israel includes an element of race/religion difference. Not everyone is able to get out of a "racist/Empire knows best" mindset and I believe MacGregor and Crooke are not able to do that.
MacGregor in one of his recent talks said something about "Hamas and Hezollah being at the Mexican border ready to coordinate attacks on US soil". When asked about this, even Ritter said it was Islamophobic.
I emphasize I've watched these guys with several different interviewers so I cannot remember which are the specific interviews that made me give up on them. Probably Judge but possibly not.
Posted by: pq | Nov 9 2023 16:53 utc | 50
Snake @ 42 — glad to see you posted today on the same issue
Posted by: Pundita | Nov 9 2023 16:55 utc | 51
pq | Nov 9 2023 16:25 utc | 37--
IMO, what's important about the conversations between Crooke and Napolitano is they're being watched by a very different political constituency within the Empire that would otherwise remain ignorant.
As discussed here over the years, the groundwork allowing the current situation was laid long ago when the Empire was formulated and adopted an oligarchic form of government and it's now entrenched to the point where for genuine change to occur a revolution's required. That sort of change is happening within the Big Picture but is far from appearing within the Empire. Those within the Empire don't yet have the motivation needed to connect the dots because they have yet to be personally affected negatively by these external events. As many historians have noted, the majority of Americans have materially benefitted from the Outlaw US Empire, although they might not know exactly how or why. Until that undergoes a great change, the status quo will continue. I don't like writing that, but that's what I see to be the Truth.
@40
He's explaining a point of view, not assuming that point of view. "It's strategic, Judge" plus his other comments surrounding this.
Posted by: botete | Nov 9 2023 16:56 utc | 53
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 9 2023 16:55 utc | 51
Yes, you are right. Those conversations are important because they bring a different pov to a new constituency especially on Russia. I just meant that for me I trust the straight talking Ritter or Phil (and also Larry) more.
Posted by: Mario | Nov 9 2023 16:51 utc | 48 Yes, US is totally supporting Israel, they just announced a new deal where Israel will only bomb Gaza for 20/24 hours every day. But who is in charge in the US???
Posted by: pq | Nov 9 2023 17:02 utc | 54
Machine translation by Telegram + video:
Israel has admitted that some of the slain participants at a music festival near the borders of the Gaza Strip were killed not by Hamas, but by an Apache helicopter pilot who mistook the fleeing people for Hamas militants.
Earlier, the Israelis also testified that some of those killed on the border were killed by the IDF during the outbreak of fighting, falling between two fires.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/103419
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 9 2023 17:05 utc | 55
[email protected] have pipe lines in Canada, no one is forcing Canadians to move, other than frozen bank accounts and trumped up conspiracy charges. Pipelines run north/south east/west around the US, no one is forcing them to move....hmm, no one wants them. Pipe lines run through the Ukraine, no one's forced Ukrainians to move to LA, SMO aside. And other than a few client states Russia is out of the EU piped gas market (for now).
I realize people get paid to write stuff for pay but such a lame idea. Russia was sanctioned out of the EU gas market. They now sell to third parties at profit, and third party at high markup pass it on to the EU and other 'I cut my nose off, to spite my face' fools.
Everyone reaches for the a ha moment, 'that's the real reason' but they are all excuses for 75 years of murder, assassination and ethnic cleansing.
Some cultures are are mired in blood lust by book. No pipe lines required.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 9 2023 17:07 utc | 56
Posted by: botete | Nov 9 2023 16:56 utc | 53
whats the strategy behind genocide and ethnic cleansing? i think it is to remove palestinians from both Gaza and the West Bank. they aren't bombing Hamas, they are mostly bombing civilians. that is the strategy, and he is justifying it as some kind of military strategy. it's zionist bullshit.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 17:07 utc | 57
Yeah McGregor can get fucked. A Maerican exceptionalist through and through. A capable tactician, but his enormous bias leaves a massive cognitive hole.
Israel is fighting using all the means and methods of a modern state against a mostly teenaged militia armed with small arms and trapped in a urban cage surrounded by impassable terrain. They have no air force,.no navy. McGregor should be ashamed of himself for making the comparison. Nazi Germany wasn't an insurgency. The correct analogy is the Nazi attack on the Warsaw Ghetto...and even it wasn't executed with this ferocity.
Israel has lost any legitimate claim to statehood in my eyes. Israelis are by their own state doctrine, complicit in this mass murder.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 9 2023 17:08 utc | 58
85% of all the Israeli Jews support the genocide of the Palestinians according to the tracking polls, so let's not talk about "Zionists and the others" - effectively all are painted with the brush.
Interminable "intellectual" debates and sophist pronouncements back and forth, up and down, round and around will not change one basic fact:
the only thing which will stop this State murder and destruction of a whole People (and the West Bank will follow), is when the murderers are stopped.
All those who keep prattling on about the "genius" of the Nasrallah, "if you don't stop, we might get angry in a week, or two, or three, and stamp our foot," and the "slow boiling of the American frog" approach as said by Crooke on Napolitano this morning, are merely covering for their own incapacity to face the one real reality: the Jews are going to kill, or drive out, every Palestinian in Israel, wherever they are, over the next decade.
There will be no "two-State,or One-State solution".
The only way they will be stopped is by force now.
Keep prattling. Just get used to watching the kids die.
Posted by: winstonK | Nov 9 2023 17:08 utc | 59
@53
You're confused by his manner. He's explaining it, not justifying it. MacGregor tends to have a cool, academic manner. Listen more carefully to what he says. In the vid clip used here he states you might not like it or you might like it but that's what's going on. This doesn't make him a zionist shill. Come on for god's sake. We don't have time for this petty bullshit!
Posted by: botete | Nov 9 2023 17:11 utc | 60
@pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 16:35 utc | 39
Macgregor is a rational representative for the anglosaxons.
And those who understand what is at stake are afraid that the west will lose the dominance over banking.
The jewish bankers will not necessarily bring it to somebody else since the BRICS dont want the western type of banking.
But the jewish and other bankers and investors will be able to get along according to market economical principles.
The west however will lose its priviledges and will not be able to retains ist vast empire. That priviledge has been based on a collective oligarchic symbiosis and the rest of the world has been pillaged like Putin pointed out.
The jews have never been as powerful as many altmedia writers beleive.
The oligarchic collective has been powerful.
And it has acted to hold the bankers under control.
That control expresses itself in the form of american rewards to Israel for bein a rouge and hated operator.
It has been important to isolate the jews and prevent rivals from being similar partners.
Bismarck wanted to be a partner again in the late victorian era. Sergei Witte in Russia wanted the same later.
Britain managed to prevent that and gave us world wars and communism.
It was all an evil British masonic plot every step of the way.
The protocols of Zion in the last versíon was entirely about cutting the ties between jewish bankers and Wittes successful development plan based om the american economic system of Henry Carey etc.
Wherever you read in jewish plotting in the events of that era the real actor was the british imperial geopolitic great gamemaster.
I dont know how much of that is on Macgregor's mind but I think he trusts the judgement of people who show that it is essential not to let Israel fall in order to save the western oligarchy's precious privildeges for yet a while.
I am not suggesting they come out like that to Macgregor but there is a consensus among the elites.
They are all afraid of waving goodbye to colonial times.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 9 2023 17:12 utc | 61
Israel being rouge operator was supposed to be rogue. It wasnt intended to be something woke
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 9 2023 17:16 utc | 62
Separately from her weekly briefing, Marai Zakharova entertained this Q&A:
Question: How would you comment on the statements made by Israeli Heritage Minister Abdullah Eliyahu about the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the residents of the Gaza Strip?Maria Zakharova: We consider these statements to be provocative, absolutely unacceptable and quite remarkable for the following reasons.
First, such statements imply that nuclear weapons threaten the entire civilian population of the Gaza Strip. Is this a threat of genocide? There are no justifications for such statements, especially given that they come from an official of a state that positions itself and is proclaimed by the "collective West" to be "the only democracy in the Middle East," which, apparently, should imply its complete and unconditional rightness in any situation.
Secondly, against the backdrop of Israel's historical policy of uncertainty regarding the possession of nuclear weapons, these statements not only clearly confirm the existence of such weapons, but also demonstrate a willingness to seriously consider the possibility of using them in completely inadequate scenarios. This is a very serious reason to think about where the awareness of their permissiveness in the conditions of almost unlimited patronage from the West can lead extremist representatives of Israel.
In general, the issue of establishing a zone free of WMD and their means of delivery in the Middle East is becoming increasingly relevant and urgent. Progress in this area, we recall, is systematically "torpedoed" by Israel with the active support and connivance of the United States.
Zakharova has no problem invoking the G word. The MFA clearly singled this out for publication.
Snake - to my knowledge White House-KSA did not sign a defense pact, and all talk of such a pact is now dead. Saudis wanted US security guarantee in exchange for soft-pedaling criticism of Israel.
Posted by: Pundita | Nov 9 2023 17:19 utc | 64
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 9 2023 17:12 utc | 61
my take is he is an insider who opposes the Ukraine war, like some other foreign policy realists, but is broadly on board the imperial enterprise. he is strongly in favor of other interventions; he even fought in them. he criticised the tactics but not the overall strategy behind empire. i dont need him to explain the Israeli position and try to justify it as reasonable; they want to achieve Greater Israel, and they need to get rid of the palestinians to do it. his lame excuses that the US or USSR were worse is just distracting from the main issue. the way to stop the genocide is to stop Israel, not justify it.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 17:19 utc | 65
@ 30 Gottlieb
This phenomenon is intrinsic to all tribalism/identity and that is why Christianity was/is correct in offering up the universal solution to the problem of scapegoating the other/tribal identity.
For Christendom to regain its foothold, it must stop associating with world jewry and call it for what it is: satanic tribalism, or what is known as paganism.
Christian protestant-zionists are not Christians. They are satanists.
Latin-rite and Orthodox Christians are desperately trying to instill this into the eyes of protestants/humanist/liberals, but we have failed.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 9 2023 17:21 utc | 66
Susan @ 9
Thanks yes indeed marches are the way forward.
Last weekends march had a huge posative effect on politics in the UK in only the last 4 days. 'They' are on the back foot. Both partys.
A big development was the police standing up to the polititians in favor of the pro palistine march going ahead (freedom of speech)and "impossable to stop" ha ha.
The media in my opinion are in the full clutches of the jewish lobby groups at the momment. Thats a faceless army of bullies with unlimited financal resourses.
But we the marchers have shown that up for what it is, total propaganda lies. (A sucsess in it self)
I fully expect a million this week. And job done.
Please everyone... no matter your age politics, religeon ect, if you are a human you really need to be their. world wide people power. Trust me i'v witnessed it working.
And i felt part of something, not isolated and a victem.
Keep up the good work Susan.
Love and respect from mark2.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2023 17:23 utc | 67
Posted by: Baile | Nov 9 2023 16:19 utc | 35
Good distinctions, Baile; well said. It reminds me of what went on in the US against all Muslims after 9/11. Or, that all Germans were Nazis when WW2 ended. A knee-jerk reaction arising from (and during) traumatic events. Which is often seized upon by those who would exploit our weaknesses turning them into actual divisions in order to profit thereby.
It doesn't matter which division is emphasized. Racism is another biggie. Note and shun such attitudes; they are red herrings.
Posted by: juliania | Nov 9 2023 17:24 utc | 68
Focus fire, not free fire or circular fire. A crime before you needs to be stopped. Don't atomize and isolate each other from friends for the sake of unidentical words. That is contagion thinking -- a drop of badwrongthink spoils all -- that has been used to divide and conquer good meaning people since time immemorial. United we stand, divided we fall; isolate the villainous behavior, not those who want to stop it.
Posted by: titmouse | Nov 9 2023 17:30 utc | 69
But my understanding of warfare sequence is that you don't put boots on ground until there are obvious signs that your remote aerial and artillery bombardment (from a safe distance) has yielded a visible weakening of the target's effectiveness.I'll never believe that the IOF has members brave/foolhardy enough to dive into HAMAS' tunnel network and expect to survive.
Imo, the fakery is exposed by the fact that the IOF Airfarce has stepped up the ferocity of its bombing.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 9 2023 16:09 utc | 31
It would seems that Hamas only having light weapons in an urban environment is the end point of where bombardment would put a regular army. Compare Ukraine, Hamas has no MBTs, no MRLS, no air defense.
The continuing bombardment IMO serves to main purposes: flattening buildings to suppress snipers and forcing the fight to ground level. Tanks typically can't fire more than 15 degrees of elevation and are really weak on top so AT weapons from above are a main problem here.
Secondly as urban environment sucks for tanks the MBTs serve as local strongholds with heavy machineguns that allow the ground radar to be brought in and for visual recce of tunnel exits. If a larger bunker is found, FABs or ground penetrating bombs will be used to bury them. No one really needs to go into the tunnels, the blockade is too good.
So far IDF has not covered too much ground, they have to go slow due to danger of IEDs.
I am surprised Hamas has not invested more into AT mines, those would have been cheap and plentiful. We also see mainly cheap/old RPGs with doubtful effect. What is also visible are ot lot of military Caterpillars and ploughed ground. You hardly see IDF vehicles straying from cleaned ground.
We will see if this slow progress will allow IDF to keep up systematically flattening all buildings in RPG range before they move forward. If they move faster, we will see attacks from upper floors and rising tank losses. So far the easier part was taken, the more dense environment awaits, also the rear area gets larger with each street taken.
On the IDF side I am surprised we don't see more classic artillery, seems they have plenty of jet fuel and precision bombs for now - makes sense if they attack mostly known tunnels.
We also haven't seen too many off the shelf drones, Hamas to an extent seems to be fighting yesterday's war.
Posted by: SOS | Nov 9 2023 17:39 utc | 70
@ pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 16:35 utc | 40
@ botete | Nov 9 2023 17:11 utc | 60
pretzelattack.. i tend to see it as botete does.. he is explaining the logic, but not justifying it.. of course the logic is extremely flawed... all this bombing does is create more terrorists.. you can't get rid of terrorists, especially not this way... all that logic is extremely flawed.. i think macgregor is smart enough to know this too.. and he is essentially saying what the usa did at the end of ww2 was also extremely flawed and wrong... of course i could be wrong, but i read it like botete as well.. cheers and i like your posts and appreciate your posting!
Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 17:47 utc | 72
indian punchline from today
Arab-Iran amity is a geopolitical reality
Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 17:50 utc | 73
Today's Bhadrakumar column is worth a read, and re-read:
https://www.indianpunchline.com/arab-iran-amity-is-a-geopolitical-reality/
Reality on the ground in Gaza is disheartening, sad, and tragic for now, but it looks like an awakening has been roused world wide--The Zionists and their western cohorts are to be stopped, at any cost as necessary.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 9 2023 17:55 utc | 74
Sorry james, I just duplicated your effort :-)
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 9 2023 17:56 utc | 75
McGregor has always been staunchly pro Israel. I believe he may have assisted with security at one point. If anything his latest take is a shift toward more sympathy for Palestinian civilian casualties than I would have expected.
Posted by: GS | Nov 9 2023 17:57 utc | 76
Doctor Eleven | Nov 9 2023 17:08 utc | 58
Israel has lost any legitimate claim to statehood in my eyes
I agree. These unspeakable crimes(and the history replete with unspeakable crimes that precedes them) are confirmation that Israelis are unwilling/incapable of peaceful cohabitation. They should be stripped of statehood for such unneighborliness and returned to the protection of their Moslem hosts. A real final solution, that is, one state, Palestine, with a jewish minority, just as it's been in many countries throughout the Middle East for centuries.
Posted by: john | Nov 9 2023 17:58 utc | 77
I know most of you really don't need to be told this ... but its interesting to watch the the body language of former CIA director James Woolsey to the question "... does the US meddle in other peoples elections ?"
When asked if the US had ever meddled in another country’s elections, former CIA director James Woolsey replies that "well probably, but it was for the good of the system… only for a very good cause [the good of democracy], yum yum yum yum"
Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Nov 9 2023 17:59 utc | 78
@karlof1 | Nov 9 2023 16:06 utc | 28
Yes, the Empire is complicit in the War Crimes. The entire world sees the horrors more than those in the Empire and thus global enmity is escalating.
Yes. The Israelis are sowing the wind and they shall reap the whirlwind. I am not religious, but the Bible does have some wisdom.
There are "free agents" not associated with Iran within Iraq that are attacking the Empire's bases, causing casualties and are very likely to escalate the ferocity of their attacks. And then there're the key bases in Qatar and Bahrain along with those in Syria.
We should be patient. This time the world can make Israel pay.
For example, S-300 missiles from Russia can destroy American air power in West Asia. And anti-ship missiles from China can similarly eliminate the US Navy from the region. To reduce the risk of global nuclear war, neither Russia nor China will actually fire these weapons; the Arabs will be glad to do it. If the world prefers to avoid direct involvement by Russia or China, then the missiles will need to be smuggled to West Asia. It will likely take some years to do this, which is why I counsel patience.
Once the missiles are in place, the US military threat in West Asia will decline dramatically. And then the Israelis will be vulnerable, and they shall reap the whirlwind.
Posted by: Cyril | Nov 9 2023 17:59 utc | 79
@ Oriental Voice | Nov 9 2023 17:56 utc | 75
we obviously have similar reading tastes! cheers..
Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 17:59 utc | 80
ZH has a posting up with the title
Israel Agrees To 4-hour Daily Humanitarian Pauses In Gaza: White House
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2023 18:07 utc | 81
@psychohistorian | Nov 9 2023 18:07 utc | 81
🇮🇱❌🇵🇸Israeli army spokesman:There is no ceasefire in the Gaza Strip
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/91184
Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 9 2023 18:13 utc | 82
Posted by: snake | Nov 9 2023 16:43 utc | 43
I've mentioned a couple of times that Hamas is eating Israel's lunch. But I read that southfront article yesterday, the UNCTAD report (The Economic Costs of the Israeli Occupation for the Palestinian People: The Unrealized Oil and Natural Gas Potential, 22.08.19), and a weird little bulletin published by the Begin-Sadat [!] Center (Why Israel Approved Development of the Gaza Marine Gas Field, 17.07.23) shortly after Reuters announced, without an iota of bathos, Israel [!] gives nod to Gaza Marine gas development, wants security assurances, 18.06.23—as is the custom with psychopaths, "Blinken tells Abbas [?!] Gazans must not be 'forcibly displaced'".
Anyhoo, I noted with interest UNCTAD's advisory role in "global" supply chain management for downstream "advanced economies" and diverting investment in capital formation from upstream "resource rich" developing "autocracies". Front-running G7-5G critical mineral demand and guided by BEPS 2019 assessments condemning the tax regimes of "vulnerable" UNCTAD members, governors of UNCTAD15 recommended that African nations "diversify exports" with "the increased use of financial services and technology" to uhh optimize value-chain rents, foreign and domestic, mostly domestic.
Here is "Economic Development in Africa Report 2022, The Catalytic Role of Business and Financial Services" (192 pp, illustrated). The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development is one perverted pillar of capitalist industry.
Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 9 2023 18:22 utc | 83
@james, #80:
Not just you and me. After reading on, I found that bevin @31 has beaten both you and me to the punch :-)
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 9 2023 18:23 utc | 84
@James no. 72 -- thanks
It seems we here are much united in outlook so the squabbling amongst ourselves is frustrating and time-wasting. I was myself irritated. Let's move on with good cheer, as you say.
I was impressed just listening to Crooke today with his view of what's happening in Gaza: that Net and IDF are actually not attacking hamas significantly at all, not getting anywhere plus have lost some 300 forces whereas hamas is buried deep underground with its own hospitals and supplies, etc., and is not yet significantly hurt. So the brunt of the slaughtering (what he calls the elephant in the room) is the killing of the innocents who are defenseless and the essentially stupid catastrophe underway in obliterating Gaza. And it is THIS that is slowly boiling toward further disaster, slowly spreading as the Muslim world waits for the US to stop it, which it will not do as so contemptibly revealed by the actions of Blinken. Crooke has experience and knowledge of the region, the history, and sources there also. I was also surprised to hear him say that 80% of Israelis support Net's hideous policies of extermination, which would seem to put Israel on track for its own total annihilation as the slaughter continues. I think he's hinting at this. Meanwhile we are not being told of the attacks on American bases in Syria and Iraq, by well-armed militias.
Posted by: botete | Nov 9 2023 18:26 utc | 85
"Judaïsm, like all religion or cultural backgroud, is the way of life and praise of human people.
Posted by: Baile | Nov 9 2023 16:19 utc | 36
Especially chosen people.
Posted by: dh | Nov 9 2023 18:30 utc | 86
Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 17:47 utc | 72
leaving aside Macgregor, I just don't think what Israel is doing is defensive in nature, so it isn't a mistake by them. you see this in the unguarded pronouncements about the Palestinians being animals by people in the Israeli government, or about the point of the bombing being to do damage. i think it is a mistake in that it could well get Israel destroyed, but I think they are lying about the purpose of their policies.
I welcome the criticism of the Ukraine War by people like Macgregor and Mearsheimer, and Mearsheimer's book on the Israel lobby is invaluable. I don't trust them though, as I think their focus is on expanding and sustaining US power in a more rational way, being a wiser hegemon in effect, and seizing back power over US foreign policy from the neocons. the neocons are a more immediate danger to world civilization, but the US grip on the world has to go. I hope that Russia and China, if they win this struggle, will be better for the world. China has a long history of not being an expansive power, and so far they seem to focus on mutual cooperation rather than control. Just speaking realistically, I think Putin has been an excellent leader; i don't know who will replace him. but the US has been wretched, and our leaders have been mediocre at best since the end of world war 2, when we became the world power.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 18:32 utc | 87
75 MBTs knocked out so far - 15% of the active force. Every day , the Arabs claim a few more Merkavas.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 9 2023 18:35 utc | 88
@pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 17:19 utc | 65
It is about the many americans at home.
Moral dilemma sure but what do you expect?
This may be the most critical time ever for the US.
It isnt really about the jews themselves but about their role in the service of the anglosaxon oligarchy.
If the jews would emigrate to other countries they would get along.
The orthodox would learn to work.
They look like amish anyway :-)
But they no longer would feel indebted to the anglosaxons for protection since they didnt get it.
And if they know the background they know Britain coerced them to go to Israel and actually purged them from Europe and from Russia.
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 9 2023 18:39 utc | 89
Mark hope yours is BBBBIIIIGGGG.
I am off to our University today and maybe Portland Saturday.
I am beginning to think in the US that we need to get these movement to turn their attention to Ridding us of both parties. Both Parties, who like here in Oregon support the genocide, support arming Ukraine! And have both destroyed this country!
Posted by: Susan | Nov 9 2023 15:14 utc | 10
Hopefully your desired changes will not be linked to individual people. Because then there will never be any real democracy, instead it will remain with leader concepts and personality cults.
A new "party" should reflect the attitudes of its supporters on every issue of public interest and not promote individuals.
Of x number of people, y number are of the opinion a2 on question A...
A "fan cult" is something for the entertainment industry, not for participation in the state.
Why are offices not simply raffled off among those entitled to vote, including seats in parliament?
Parties monopolise participation and discourage citizens after every election.
And, susan, Democrats and Republicans are different as Bloods and Crips.
Posted by: 600w | Nov 9 2023 18:49 utc | 90
it's zionist bullshit.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 17:07 utc | 57
The NY Post curators display the HOTTEST collection daily!
Concerned about hostage rescue from Hamas' "tunnel of terror"? No problem!
Israel eliminates 130 Hamas tunnels in Gaza as airstrike kills weapons maker
More than 130 tunnel shafts underneath Gaza were blown up by combat engineers who are “destroying the enemy’s weapons and are locating, exposing and detonating tunnel shafts,” the Israel Defense Forces said in a statement.Looking for month-old proof of Hamas atrocities? No problem!
[...]
One shot of a tunnel located next to a school run by the UNRWA, the refugee organization that deals specifically with Palestinians, features a dark, black mushroom cloud of smoke rising into the air.
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Gal Gadot’s screening of Hamas terror attack film ends in mass brawls between pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian protesters
Police officers were already out in force around the ironically named Museum of Tolerance for the “Wonder Woman” actress’s screening of “Bearing Witness to the October 7th Massacre,” which uses Israel Defense Forces footage.LOL!
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Gilad Erdan, Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations, also took the lectern to say: “This video will change the way you view the Middle East,” calling Hamas “sheer evil” and drawing applause when he called for “eradicating” the “genocidal group.”
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200 people, including Israeli officials and Hollywood executives, attended the screening of “Bearing Witness to the October 7th Massacre”—comprising bodycam footage taken by Hamas terrorists in their surprise attack
Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 9 2023 18:51 utc | 91
The problem is one of EDUCATION and INFORMATION.
Years ago I used to be a rah rah Israel fan and read the six volume biography of Winston Churchill as a fanboy.
But I read a lot. I now view Churchill as an incompetent, genocidal war criminal who should have been hung.
And I view what the Israeli state is doing as atrocious.
And I laugh at the descriptions of Judeo-Christian. If most Christians realize that a STANDARD Jewish prayer is that Jesus is in a boiling vat of shit of up to his neck, or that Jews regularly spit on Christians, this facade would end.
If most Christians also understood that Jesus is the second most revered prophet in Islam, a lot of views would change.
Since at least 1900 roughly, the peoples of the West have been subject to the most intense brainwashing and misinformation campaign that only went into overdrive after WWII. I mean it's crazy.
Hopefully we all wake up before it is too late. Russia is awake. China is awake. The resistance is awake. I pray that the west really wakes up.
Posted by: Johnny | Nov 9 2023 18:59 utc | 92
Fire In The Hole
The U.S. Army also crowed about blowing up Viet Cong Tunnels in Chu Chi. The VC simply laughed at their antics and then popped up and fired off a few sniper rounds.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 9 2023 19:01 utc | 93
It is frustrating to watch as religious extremism comes to dominate warmongering in a nuclear age. As an atheist, I would rather let the religiously inclned debate about angels and pinheads in private, where I can ignore them.But the crux (sorry, bad pun) of the matter is who speaks for the Jewish diaspora around the world.
We see very many Jewish protests against the genocide in Gaza. We hear of mutinies in the State Department and the White House, supposed bastions of Israel-firsters. It comes down to the century old debate between Zionists and Jewishness. I cannot speak to the religious issues; but I am happy to refer all to an article by a Canadian rabbi:
A profound division exists between Zionist advocates of Israel on the one hand, and both secular and religious Jews, on the other, who reject Zionism and thus the very idea of a separate state for the Jews. Most Jews must be somewhere in between. For years, they have cringed at Israel’s actions without, however, questioning the ethnocratic nature of the Israeli state. For them, “Israel’s right to exist” is sacred because they fear that the only alternative is a physical destruction of Israeli Jews...Many Jews, both in Israel and elsewhere, have been trying to come to terms with the contradictions between the Judaism they profess to adhere to and the Zionist ideology that has taken hold of them. A new variety of Judaism has taken root in Israel: National Judaism, dati-leumi in Hebrew. For some Jews, this new faith assuages these contradictions...
Quite a few Jews now wonder if this separate state for the Jews chronically generating violence is “good for the Jews.” The tardiness of this questioning reflects the success of Israel’s masquerading as “the Jewish and democratic state”, a theoretical and ideological oxymoron. The bombing of Gaza has punctured that propaganda balloon and exposed Israel’s character as a bellicose settler colony, victim of its own practice of exclusion and oppression.
Many Jews deplore this practice because it contradicts all that Judaism teaches, particularly the core values of humility, compassion, and kindness. They realize that those Jews – in truth, the vast majority of them – who rejected Zionism over a century ago, may have been right. Other Jews also find themselves in an emotional bind. Deeply saddened by Hamas’ attack on Israel and likewise devasted by Israel’s implacable response, they are also worried about the surge in anti-Jewish sentiment all around them.
Posted by: john brewster | Nov 9 2023 19:01 utc | 94
Wherever there is conflict in the world, there you will always find the dirty fingerprints of the Washington Regime at the root of it.
Ukraine, the Middle East, Afghanistan, so many other places, dozens of them, it's always the same story. Dirty divide and rule chicanery to promote US hegemony and Wall Street looting. Enabling the scum of the earth, Nazis in Ukraine, ISIS and an alphabet soup of jihadi proxies and head choppers elsewhere, to do their dirty work for them. Any useful idiots will do, the more rabidly demented the better.
The end result is that whole countries are destroyed, millions butchered, tens of millions of refugees, hundreds of millions starved and immiserated. The US regime is simply satanic and evil, no other assessment is appropriate. It is the source of most of the evil and suffering in the world. It is as simple and as stark as that.
And there may soon be a very weighty account to be settled. The US is steadily losing the power to inflict misery on the rest of the planet. It is declining rapidly, economically, financially, politically, socially, morally and spiritually. It may be a lot closer to collapse than anyone realises. All its ill starred adventures over many decades in all parts of the world have ended in failure and disaster and brought it no benefit.
When that day comes, it may be held to account for the evil it has perpetrated for so long. Maybe ordinary Americans, who have little influence over these foreign adventures and gain nothing from them, will have to foot the bill. Maybe Americans will have to watch their children starve in front of them or die for lack of basic medicine. They may then realise the enormity of the suffering their ruling elite has inflicted on so many for so long. But they should expect little sympathy from their countless victims.
Posted by: anon | Nov 9 2023 19:17 utc | 95
Relevant on anti-Semitism:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dQjVyEk9KoIgK2eVLwQ-ZyaoIULoGnFN/view
Posted by: Cabe | Nov 9 2023 19:18 utc | 96
@ Susan | Nov 9 2023 15:14 utc | 10 :
"I am beginning to think in the US that we need to get these movement to turn their attention to Ridding us of both parties. Both Parties, who like here in Oregon support the genocide, support arming Ukraine! And have both destroyed this country!"
Yes, as part of what I would like to see if I could have what I want, I would support abolishing the Democratic and Republican Parties by law and further enacting that no political parties could use either the names "Democratic" or "Republican" or their derivatives or cognates in their names ever again.
Posted by: Cabe | Nov 9 2023 19:26 utc | 97
NemesisCalling | Nov 9 2023 17:21 utc | 66
*** For Christendom to regain its foothold, it must stop associating with world jewry and call it for what it is: satanic tribalism, or what is known as paganism.***
"Satanic tribalism", yes .... "paganism" no.
Pagans -- since in the above quote that term seems to have been applied to everyone except Christians -- could quite reasonably turn your assertion about them around, and say many Christians are just a rather confused derivative of (somebody else's!) "satanic tribalism".
That's an impartial view -- I don't subscribe to any religion.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 9 2023 19:27 utc | 98
pq | Nov 9 2023 16:53 utc | 50
MacGregor in one of his recent talks said something about "Hamas and Hezollah being at the Mexican border ready to coordinate attacks on US soil". When asked about this, even Ritter said it was Islamophobic.
I emphasize I've watched these guys with several different interviewers so I cannot remember which are the specific interviews that made me give up on them. Probably Judge but possibly not.
This is where my respect for MacGregor dropped to that of just seeing him as another talking-head.
Posted by: Seer | Nov 9 2023 19:34 utc | 99
Mark2 | Nov 9 2023 17:23 utc | 67
*** Yes indeed marches are the way forward.
Last weekends march had a huge posative effect on politics in the UK in only the last 4 days. 'They' are on the back foot. Both partys.
A big development was the police standing up to the polititians in favor of the pro palistine march going ahead (freedom of speech)and "impossable to stop" ha ha.***
The big "ceasefire" demonstration intended for London this coming weekend is not only condemned by the (zionist) Home Secretary, but also by the so-called "Campaign Against Antisemitism" which has now even called for the army to be deployed aganst protesters.
Yet at the same time, an allegedly "anti-racism" outfit spun off from a supposedly "anti-racist" organisation, State subsidised and *headed by hard-line zionists* (which thanks to Tony Blair has a little mentioned *political policing* department within the Home Office), is declaring its support for the demonstration to take place.
And so-called "far right" elements, plus trouble seeking football suporters -- both usually demonised by the Establishment -- seem to be getting organised *by the Establishment* to oppose the demonstration -- a demonstration which the Metropolitan Police have approved, and been attacked for doing so by the Home Secretary.
Just to add to the mix, Braverman is a Home Secretary now very much involved in internal "dirty tricks" conspiracies between rival factions (all bad, and ideologically identical) of the ruling Conservative Party.
So the State's agent provocateurs are sure to be active *on both sides* at the demonstration. Quite what they will do, how effectively -- and with what ulteriorly-motived intent -- remains to be seen.
A lot depends on how disciplined the big march can remain, even if there is serious provocation.
Posted by: Cynic | Nov 9 2023 19:37 utc | 100
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I hope everyone will be on a pro palistine march this week end.
That is the single most effective way to quickly end this mass murder.
Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 9 2023 14:27 utc | 1