I am not Jewish, Muslim or Christian and don’t come from any of the countries historically involved in this conflict. I don’t have any skin in this particular game but I find the behaviour of Israel’s government and society repulsive. To me it is not a surprise, because I am well read up on the history of this issue, but there are millions of younger people out there looking at what is happening, and opinions that were previously neutral or positive towards Israel are changing.
When you factor in the billion+ muslims in the world, Israel (a small country surrounded by hostile populations) can only hope to survive by the largesse of the western Christian countries if it alienates everyone else. But it looks like even the younger generations in the west are not as favourable towards Israel as before. What is the endgame here? Keep a lock on western elites? If the elites lose legitimacy, then what?
I feel Israel’s only hope for the long term is to come to an accord with the Palestinians and treat them humanely. Is their society capable of this?

Posted by: spenobcu57 | Nov 7 2023 14:05 utc | 3

The Most Moral Army in the World, ‘God’s Chosen’, arrest Ahed Tamimi in her home:
Israeli forces arrest Palestinian activist Ahed Tamimi at her home
Her mere existence is “incitement to violence and terrorist activities”.
The Greatest Tyranny in the Middle East, perhaps in the world is terrified of one young woman …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 7 2023 14:11 utc | 5

How the Hamas attack was organized per Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/07/secret-hamas-attack-orders-israel-gaza-7-october
“The decision to pass instructions verbally to thousands of Hamas militants scattered among Gaza’s 2.3 million inhabitants was the latest in a series of measures designed to deceive one of the most potent surveillance systems in the world and keep any word of what might be about to happen from a network of spies.”
The word “surveillance” occurs exactly once in this article. The verbal impromptu instructions, per article, “was the latest in a series of measures” to overcome pervasive surveillance.
Surveillance however also includes sensors and visual surveillance. There is this nice picture by “APA” with a bulldozer brought in clear light of morning past a perimeter zone that is just flat ground. The purpose of this “perimeter” is precisely for visual “surveillance” and embedded sensors.
So good on Hamas for using just in time secure comms. Now pretty please explain how those bulldozers just drove up to the fence.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 7 2023 14:26 utc | 7

One month of slaughter and inhumane cruelty.
One month of dystopian propaganda and draconic punishment for those calling it out.
Given current trajectory, i expect martial law and people hanged on lamp posts within two years here in our free and democratic western world – i am generous regarding the time line, could happen tomorrow.

Posted by: kspr | Nov 7 2023 14:31 utc | 9

******Commandant Netanyahu********
Netanyahu is now saying that after the Gaza conflict is over,
the Zionists will be in charge of security in the Gaza Concentration Camp.

Posted by: librul | Nov 7 2023 15:05 utc | 11

Posted by: librul | Nov 7 2023 15:05 utc | 6
And back to square one they’ll go.
Back to kids throwing stones at tanks.
‘terrorist’ attacks on IDF patrols,
Until once again they un-occupy
Or at least continue occupation
from a safe distance …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 7 2023 15:09 utc | 13

******Commandant Netanyahu********
Netanyahu is now saying that after the Gaza conflict is over,
the Zionists will be in charge of security in the Gaza Concentration Camp.
Posted by: librul | Nov 7 2023 15:05 utc | 6
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I don’t see how the Holy Holocaust narrative can retain its mojo after this series of horrific events, and the situation is still headed downhill faster and faster. Don’t talk to me about the Holocaust.
It is ironic in some level that Kristallnacht is commemorated throughout the Jewish “community.” How many Jews actually lost their lives on Kristallnacht?
Genocidal Zionists trump German Nazis.
Soon we will be talking about the “good Jews.
I worry about what will they do to Ahed Tamimi.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2023 15:13 utc | 15

Posted by: Baile | Nov 7 2023 14:01 utc | 1
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Well said.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 7 2023 15:14 utc | 17

I feel Israel’s only hope for the long term is to come to an accord with the Palestinians and treat them humanely. Is their society capable of this?
Posted by: spenobcu57 | Nov 7 2023 14:05 utc | 2
An accord that puts the Palestinians under the mercy of the Israelis to treat them humanely, is not a solution that Palestinians want.

Posted by: Man | Nov 7 2023 15:19 utc | 19

Shots fired earlier today towards PA leader Mahmud Abbas’s car convoy in West Bank. One bodyguard dead. Conflicting rumors indicate Mahmud Abbas himself wounded.
Responsibility was assumed by the first-timer “Children of Abu Jandel” organization, supposedly founded by disillusioned members of West Bank’s PA security forces, after Mahmud Abbas failed to comply with their yesterday’s ultimatum to declare the PA at war with Israel.
https://twitter.com/eha_medya/status/1721887702126297406

Posted by: Memory Man | Nov 7 2023 15:19 utc | 21

Posted by: spenobcu57 | Nov 7 2023 14:05 utc | 2
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The issue is not Jews or Israel. It’s the belief in Zionism, which is as dangerous and insidious as Nazism.
Can they find a peaceful and ethical way forward soon? We will see, but I doubt it, ideologies only collapse when they face a total defeat.
There is something about the cognitive, emotional, and ego power of an ideology that requires a complete shattering of the psyche of those involved for them to find a way out of their darkness.
Zionism is led by a relatively small group of true believers acting with a lot of conviction. When they fall, most people will go back to pretending they were never for genocide or racial supremacy, just like it is hard to find many Americans today who thought Vietnam, and now Iraq were worthwhile adventures. The same people who would have gladly fed their own children into the war machine in the space of a couple of decades have completely distanced themselves from their earlier fanaticism.
Growth? Fracturing the herd? These are cycles humanity has gone through forever.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 7 2023 15:21 utc | 23

Shots fired earlier today towards PA leader Mahmud Abbas’s car convoy in West Bank. One bodyguard dead. Conflicting rumors indicate Mahmud Abbas himself wounded.
Posted by: Memory Man | Nov 7 2023 15:19 utc | 11
I’d celebrate but it suddenly hits me that all they’ll do is replace him with yet another hollow animated carcass.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 7 2023 15:22 utc | 25

Lovedonbass @ 9
Thanks for putting up those links for protests the other day (about a week ago)
I did’nt get an opotunity to thank you at the time, but it was big of you. Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 7 2023 15:24 utc | 27

I worry about what will they do to Ahed Tamimi.
Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2023 15:13 utc | 8
It’s highly unlikely ‘too much’ harm will come to her.
Sad to say, the fact she is white and blonde with freckles, makes her an instant ‘angel’ that will certainly piss off people in the west who otherwise don’t care. Creating a martyr of her would set the West Bank on fire.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 7 2023 15:32 utc | 29

I’d celebrate but it suddenly hits me that all they’ll do is replace him with yet another hollow animated carcass.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 7 2023 15:22 utc | 13
My thoughts exactly but what should happen is the PA should join with Lion’s Den and start fighting back against the zionist army and nazi settlers.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 7 2023 15:35 utc | 31

Has anyone else noticed how since October 7, https://thedreizinreport.com/ has turned into a fully fledged Zionist racist deranged hater?
His puerile taunts and frat boy name calling were somewhat tolerable when directed at a justifiably odious regime like Zelensky’s and co… i guess you can take the boy out of AIPAC, but you’ll never take the racist arab-hating supremacist out of this jew. How ironic, since much of his vitriol was previously directed at the other mob who preached that exact same supremacist philosophy.
Downplaying the shocking number of civilians murdered seems to be the best argument Zionists can come up with these days. It’s not exactly clear how the presumed murder of (best case?) 5,000 instead of 10,000 civilians in less than a month could be considered any less of a war crime.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 7 2023 15:38 utc | 33

His puerile taunts and frat boy name calling …
Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 7 2023 15:38 utc | 19
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I stopped paying any attention to Dreizin last year. No one seriously posts in such a manner. While I have a sense of humor, his style always reeked of mental instability.
When push comes to shove, most American Jews are Zionists.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 7 2023 15:44 utc | 35

A follow-up, to be a racial supremacist requires a degree of mental instability.
These are not the attitudes and beliefs of healthy, happy, productive people. These are people obsessed with status, power, money, etc.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 7 2023 15:49 utc | 37

2019 Documentary on Gaza by Abby Martin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s
via https://www.unz.com/runz/war-crimes-and-atrocity-hoaxes-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/
The opening scenes in Gaza look exactly like the ones from last week after the bombing of the refugee camp there.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 7 2023 15:56 utc | 39

My thoughts exactly but what should happen is the PA should join with Lion’s Den and start fighting back against the zionist army and nazi settlers.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 7 2023 15:35 utc | 16
In the world of our ideals, yes. However the entire PA is too compromised.
Posters have been beating off on theories about Hamas being controlled opposition, created by Mossad, funded from the provident fund of Ariel Sharon himself, working hand in hand with Netanyahoo but there before our very eyes is an organisation which is all those things – The P.A.
(Yet, no one said a word about that)
Want to see what controlled opposition looks like? Look at the P.A – that’s how you know Hamas is not controlled opposition.
Every single P.A member is nothing more than an honorary member of the IDF.
When the occupation falls they’ll all flee on the coattails of their masters.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 7 2023 15:57 utc | 41

2019 Documentary on Gaza by Abby Martin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s
via unz Pravda piece at https://tinyurl.com/yururxsj
The opening scenes in Gaza look exactly like the ones from last week after the bombing of the refugee camp there.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 7 2023 15:58 utc | 43

I added Dreizen to my Manchrian Candidate list a couple of weeks ago along with:
1. Tulsi Gabbard
2. Trump
3. RFK Jr
4. Bernie Sanders
People off the list:
Cenk and Ana at TYT have been taken off the list as nobody is going after Israel harder.
Breanna Joy Grey has probably thrown away a lucrative career supporting the Palestinians
Dr Cornell
Obama is showing signs of decency.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 7 2023 16:00 utc | 45

Below is an open letter requesting an apology from Israeli Foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for comments made yesterday following the ruling which characterised the survivors of the massacre as “terrorists”. The open letter was issued today in Belgium by the three lawyers representing the survivors of the Sabra and Shatila Massacre.
AN OPEN LETTER TO MR. BINYAMIN NETANYAHU
“Brussels, 13 February 2003
Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Israel
Dear Mr. Netanyahu,
Yesterday you declared that the Belgian Supreme court made “a scandalous decision, which legitimizes terror and harms those who fight it. This turns the tables — when those who fight terror turn into the accused and the terrorists are victorious.”
As counsels of the plaintiffs, 28 Palestinian and Lebanese survivors of the Sabra and Shatila massacre, we cannot accept your language, tone, or characterization of yesterday’s landmark ruling.
Our clients are not “terrorists,” but ordinary people who were raped, tortured, and wounded; who were forced to witness — and relive everyday since — the slaughter of their children, parents, husbands and wives, or who had their close relatives “disappeared.” By calling these victimized survivors “terrorists,” after all that they have endured for over twenty years, you have brought shame upon yourself as Foreign Minister, and upon your country, which, to its great credit, acknowledged the responsibility of Israeli politicians and military in this crime against humanity two decades ago, yet has never gone one additional and crucial step further by legally prosecuting the perpetrators and compensating the victims.
As Minister of Foreign Affairs of Israel, you should not accuse the Belgian Supreme Court of legitimizing terrorism simply because it accepts the principle that Belgian courts have universal jurisdiction over perpetrators of war crimes, genocide, and crimes against humanity. Your country was the very first country in the world to endorse universal jurisdiction for such crimes in its national legislation. Israel arrested war criminals like Eichmann and Demanjuk in other countries, or sought to have suspects extradited.
Israel has failed, however, in respecting and discharging its clear obligations under the Fourth Geneva Convention to arrest and prosecute those responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre, expressly qualified by the United Nations as an act of genocide and perpetrated in territory then under the control of the Israeli Defence Forces.”
There is little difference between events in Gaza and the events in Sabra and Shatila – Obligations under the Fourth Geneva Convention require the UN to expressly qualify Israel’s actions as an act of genocide, acknowledging they were perpetrated in territory under full control of the Israeli Defense Forces. Netanyahu never changes. Palestine was granted full sovereignty and self determination in 1974 by the UN; the UN and the international community need to finally make this a reality, with a sharp toothed protectorate protecting Palestinians from Israeli predations which have been ongoing since 1947. Rendering Gazans free to develop their land – with seaport, airport, independent financial and banking operations, as well as full and complete opportunity to develop all natural resources and geopolitical opportunities. Full and complete freedom.

Posted by: abierno | Nov 7 2023 16:07 utc | 47

Ehud Barak, Israel’s ex-PM/ex-Defense Minister/ex-Chief of Staff, commander & one of the key planners of the 1972 Operation Thunderbolt against Black September’s fentayin in Entebbe, Uganda (interestingly, Netanyahu was a subordinate of his in that operation), reckons there is just a 2-3 weeks window, “perhaps less”, for Israel to accomplish its goals inside Gaza, although he estimates that the military goals as stated by Netanyahu would need “many months, possibly up to a year” to be accomplished, if at all.
The swing of global public opinion against Israel is not lost on him:
“Listen to the public tone — and behind doors it is a little bit more explicit. We are losing public opinion in Europe and in a week or two we’ll start to lose governments in Europe. And after another week the friction with the Americans will emerge to the surface”.
He then goes into fallacies about “a multinational Arab force [that] could have to take control of Gaza after the military campaign, to help usher in a return of Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority to take over from Hamas”.
From an interview of his in MSM Politico > https://www.politico.eu/article/ehud-barak-israel-palestine-war-hamas-global-opinion-sours/

Posted by: Memory Man | Nov 7 2023 16:12 utc | 49

Obama is showing signs of decency.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 7 2023 16:00 utc | 22
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Don’t kid yourself. This is textbook Obamaspeak. Like sympathizing with Occupy while colluding with federal and local “law enforcement” to crush it.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 7 2023 16:15 utc | 51

It is ironic in some level that Kristallnacht is commemorated throughout the Jewish “community.” How many Jews actually lost their lives on Kristallnacht?
Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2023 15:13 utc | 8
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Today’s Kristallnacht is going on in the West Bank. Gaza is being given the Warsaw Ghetto treatment.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 7 2023 16:17 utc | 53

Aleks at Black Mountain Analysis examines the shifting geo-political tectonic plates…
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/geopolitics-update
If the start of the Russian Special Military Operation marked the historical beginning of the end of Western Hegemony, then October 7 was a highly potent fire accelerator.
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rest cut by b. for being way too long

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 7 2023 16:17 utc | 55

I believe the striving we make to read the growing pain in madness in our world, sickening efforts, build a sense of truth that will expend in the main society at its due time. So thank you and my salute to the many fair among you.
Posted by: Baile | Nov 7 2023 14:01 utc | 1
That’s a nice sentiment, Baile. I feel the same way more or less about the bar. Something like the enlightenment before the French Revolution.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 7 2023 16:24 utc | 57

I am not familiar with the personal histories of people within the PA.
Mohammad Shtayyeh, the PA PM broke down in years while opening the last meeting, that was after one of the big strikes, I’m losing track
I get that they are seen as collaborationists, traitors etc.
These people have to face much more difficult choices than Netanyahu and his cabinet sitting around deciding which hospital to bomb next.
People in Palestine get to decide whether to take the high road and face torture, being maimed, death or worse, all three.
Or take the low road and possibly spare your family from the worst.
These are not just decisions about taking bribes for financial gain (I am sure there is that too)
I am really grateful I have never had to take such decisions.
From so far away with no dog in this race, I can’t find it in my heart to condemn them as people making life choices, throwing the dice to see the best probability of staying alive.
Being faced with the full force of state sanctioned violence is extremely intimidating, much more so than a random robbery or mugging because it is targeted and sanctioned.
Does Israel itself have any hand in this attack? Does it now need to go into the West Bank to offer more “protection”?

Posted by: pq | Nov 7 2023 16:26 utc | 59

Obama is showing signs of decency.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 7 2023 16:00 utc | 22
BO is pure evil. He is the Dark Man behind all this death and destruction in both Ukraine and Palestine. He incited death all thru the middle east with his Arab Spring. A look into his eyes will freeze your bones.

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 7 2023 16:32 utc | 61

Obama is showing signs of decency.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 7 2023 16:00 utc | 22
Obama is the intellectual author of a half a dozen such slaughters around the world. He’s an actor just like Zelinsky. Hell say/do anything for money and power.
And the young Turks!? Come on. Try harder.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 7 2023 16:33 utc | 63

I hope the Palestinians, after millions killed, would abandon the good book and go into druidism, tao or back to the tolerant roman/greek gods.
Who knows, the old gods will come back and put this Yahweh in a kryptonite box for a millenia.

Posted by: chola3 | Nov 7 2023 16:39 utc | 65

^^^ Mental instability. A self-loathing nihilistic outlook.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 7 2023 16:20 utc | 31
Agree, but I think the correct term is misanthrope or possible sociopath or psychopath.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Nov 7 2023 16:41 utc | 67

@ malenkov | Nov 7 2023 16:15 utc | 28
Obama is merely the café au lait version of blackface servicing the entrenched establishment elite.

Posted by: majoab | Nov 7 2023 16:44 utc | 69

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 7 2023 16:00 utc | 22
These guys aren’t perfect, but they would be a big improvement on the people you still think have some potential.
This article is actually pretty good.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/11/07/tday-n07.html

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 7 2023 16:45 utc | 71

Obama is showing signs of decency.
Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 7 2023 16:00 utc | 22
Obama is worried about his “legacy”. Among the Neocons and their ilk, he is the only one smart enough to understand they might not get their way, they might lose; and that is what he is expressing, his perception that they are in over their heads.
He would not know decency if it walked up and clubbed him in the head.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 7 2023 16:47 utc | 73

One name hasn’t been mentioned it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwan_Barghouti
He has long been considered as the only person who can unite the different factions. Apparently, this was put on the table as recently as August. Ksa
/Iran…. then Ksa/Isr…. but Qatar played the useful MB idiots to crush the party.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 7 2023 16:50 utc | 75

Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 7 2023 16:17 utc | 30
That’s how I’ve been seeing it all along. I’d forecast similar when Russia was included in OPEC+. I figured that Russia would trade outside the USD and that this shift would set up the rush to the exits.
Yes, it’s about resources, it’s ALWAYS about resources. The people are moved in these currents via emotion, via ideologies. And if you follow how ideologies have been/are used you can see how the spearheads are aimed. The underpinnings were being laid a long time ago:
From Munich to the Soviet Steppes: the CIA finds the Muslim Brothers

Posted by: Seer | Nov 7 2023 16:51 utc | 77

Israel is going to need more Jews after the Nakba 2.0 and wider war against Lebanon. Syria, Jordan etc. Expect unprovoked false flags against ‘innocent’ Jews in the west. One of the main goals of Zionism is to manufacture Jew-hate and encourage emigration to Israel – as the safe haven for world Jewry.
At this point any human who supports the US/UK/IS is a rabbi in the Synagogue of Satan.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 7 2023 17:02 utc | 79

When push comes to shove, most American Jews are Zionists.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 7 2023 15:44 utc | 18
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Yes, viz. James Howard Kunstler.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2023 17:04 utc | 81

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 7 2023 16:47 utc | 40
Is Obama still alive? I thought Michael killed him with his boyfriend while they were paddleboarding in the bay off Martha’s Vineyard.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 7 2023 17:08 utc | 83

We all know who these politicians are. My point is that Obama is the only establishment figure at that level, whose rhetoric on the issue isnt advocating a war crime.
TYT is kicking it on the issue:
Cenk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRFKkmsDpuw
Ana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKxElFQHYzs (1:53:00) 600K views.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 7 2023 17:12 utc | 85

A follow-up, to be a racial supremacist requires a degree of mental instability.
These are not the attitudes and beliefs of healthy, happy, productive people. These are people obsessed with status, power, money, etc.

by: LoveDonbass | Nov 7 2023 15:49 utc | 19
Let me second Mark2 and mention I appreciate your level-headed comments.
Indeed, “status, power, money, etc.” seems the consensus view here for what motivates supremacists. I think that list needs completion and misses the mark.
“obsessed” is the key word in that statement.
Obsession, fixation, distortion (of reality), delusion and psychosis are all mental health terms; That is DSM-5 territory, The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. I’m telling everyone to change their methodology, but to add this analytical view or give it emphasis.
What’s odd about the DSM’s is that a happy fascists isn’t really considered to be mentally ill. It takes a similar view to narcissism in so much that diagnosis shifts with culture. For example, taking selfies frequently as indicating narcissism.
I end up with “status, power, money” being rational motivations, regardless of the evil involved. It seems more likely that low-self esteem, traumas, organic MH disorders, radicalization and other personality problems motivate and fixate supremacy.
That however, can only be in context to family history and values in the larger culture. Finally, I would always apply a biologically consistent theory first. What would chimpanzee do? Do genocide make sense in the animal kingdom? Yes.
To summarize, we might improve our geopolitical analysis through profiling and cross domain sciences. It’s something I’ve seen demonstrated here many times.
Cheers.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 7 2023 17:12 utc | 87

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 7 2023 16:47 utc | 40
Is Obama still alive? I thought Michael killed him with his boyfriend while they were paddleboarding in the bay off Martha’s Vineyard.
Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 7 2023 17:08 utc | 45
Shhhhhh!
That was very clumsy wasn’t it?

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 7 2023 17:13 utc | 89

Any updates on the military front ?

Posted by: Exile | Nov 7 2023 17:14 utc | 91

Dr George@30….a bit shocked to learn that American, or International for that matter, Zionists do not top down control Western Hegemony/Oligarchy; information, education, entertainment, politics, trade and industry, finance, war and all levels of terrorism. Just a mystery entity, floating through time and space, delivering death and destruction all along the way, all in the name of resources.
Calling spades, spades: not for the feint of heart.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 7 2023 17:15 utc | 93

******Commandant Netanyahu********
Netanyahu is now saying that after the Gaza conflict is over,
the Zionists will be in charge of security in the Gaza Concentration Camp.
Posted by: librul | Nov 7 2023 15:05 utc | 6
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I don’t see how the Holy Holocaust narrative can retain its mojo after this series of horrific events, and the situation is still headed downhill faster and faster. Don’t talk to me about the Holocaust.
Posted by: Jane | Nov 7 2023 15:13 utc | 8
He’s Ahab, isn’t he? Even his crew is horrified. As for good Jews, there are those, even if they can only say ‘Call me Ishmael’ at present. Melville at least was an American: there’s hope even for us in that!
When our literature is the only voice that speaks out the truth, it’s time to revisit what it says. I’m so glad I grew up when books were our heritage, not tv shows or online trash. (And I say that being truly grateful for this online space at present; no need to say I bite the hand that feeds me — sure I do!)

Posted by: juliania | Nov 7 2023 17:17 utc | 95

Is their society capable of this?
Posted by: spenobcu57 | Nov 7 2023 14:05 utc | 2
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History’s magic eight-ball, as recorded in the scriptures, says “No”.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 7 2023 17:26 utc | 97

‘Iran isn’t attacking’ while Israel slaughters civilians with daddy Maerica there backing her up. IDF are cowardly betwetters.
Iran is aware Maerica is trying to provoke her into a war. A war the insipid shitheads running Maerica..looking at you Jake Sullivan and whatever sinister fuckups skulk around you..believe foolishly that they can limit to a regional war that will help cover their collosal incompetence and the implosion of the Maerican economy under massive debt. In reality this will result in a world war out of anyone’s control. If Maerica doesn’t get her cassus belli she will fabricate one using a Gulf of Tonkin style fake.
If the absolute fucking clowns running Maerica…from the generals who have never fought a war against an enemy with an air force to the politicans who have never told a truth to the citizens who have been fed shit all their lives….strike Iran in their insanity, we are all capital F fucked.
So if you can, please try to rein in the fucking Maerican and Israeli psychopaths before the only thing all of our children born and unborn depend on is incinerated by the stupidity of a bunch of greedy murderous idiots. I’d like to think our species is capable of more than this.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 7 2023 17:26 utc | 99