How can the Palestinians EVER think that Israel wants anything else for them other than exile and/or destruction?
How can the Rest Of the World EVER think that the Anglo-Zionist empire is anything but murderous and evil?
I think a corner has been turned.

Posted by: mtw | Nov 6 2023 16:45 utc | 3

And now for the sports results.
The number of butchered Palestinians in the Gaza massacre has now passed 10,000.
(Not counting a couple of thousand more under the rubble and another 155 on the West Bank.)

Posted by: anon | Nov 6 2023 16:46 utc | 5

https://www.centcom.mil/MEDIA/PRESS-RELEASES/Press-Release-View/Article/3194433/centcom-commander-embarks-uss-west-virginia-ballistic-missile-submarine/
SSBN presence officially announced in October 2022 in the CENTCOM area. Was it a soft nulcear threat against Iran? Under what circumstances would the US use nukes against Iran? If Iran tries to build a nuclear weapon and be able to put it on a missile?

Posted by: loosenukes | Nov 6 2023 16:49 utc | 7

Critical turning point. There is no going back from this.
Exposure of the written plan to exterminate the Palestinians means we’re all somewhere on their list.

Posted by: Mary | Nov 6 2023 16:49 utc | 9

Just another lawn mowing operation or ?
I‘m inclined towards the very long war escalating all out of comprehension prediction
Hamas et.al are winning the military fight. That means a long hot war

Posted by: Exile | Nov 6 2023 16:50 utc | 11

Bertrand Russel, in my opinion the greatest Philosopher and Mathematician of the 20th Century:
…. The latest phase of the undeclared war in the Middle East is based upon a profound miscalculation. The bombing raids deep into Egyptian territory will not persuade the civilian population to surrender but will stiffen their resolve to resist. This is the lesson of all aerial bombardment. The Vietnamese who have endured years of American heavy bombing have responded not by capitulation but by shooting down more enemy aircraft. In 1940 my own fellow countrymen resisted Hitler’s bombing raids with unprecedented unity and determination. For this reason, the present Israeli attacks will fail in their essential purpose, but at the same time they must be condemned vigorously throughout the world. The development of the crisis in the Middle East is both dangerous and instructive. For over 20 years Israel has expanded by force of arms. After every stage in this expansion Israel has appealed to “reason” and has suggested “negotiations”. This is the traditional role of the imperial power because it wishes to consolidate with the least difficulty what it has already taken by violence. Every new conquest becomes the new basis of the proposed negotiation from strength, which ignores the injustice of the previous aggression.
The aggression committed by Israel must be condemned, not only because no state has the right to annexe foreign territory, but because every expansion is an experiment to discover how much more aggression the world will tolerate. The refugees who surround Palestine in their hundreds of thousands were described recently by the Washington journalist I.F. Stone as “the moral millstone around the neck of world Jewry.” Many of the refugees are now well into the third decade of their precarious existence in temporary settlements.
The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was “given” by a foreign Power to another people for the creation of a new State. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their number have increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict. No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled in masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate? A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East.
We are frequently told that we must sympathize with Israel because of the suffering of the Jews in Europe at the hands of the Nazis. I see in this suggestion no reason to perpetuate any suffering. What Israel is doing today cannot be condoned, and to invoke the horrors of the past to justify those of the present is gross hypocrisy. Not only does Israel condemn a vast number of refugees to misery, not only are many Arabs under occupation condemned to military rule; but also Israel condemns the Arab nations only recently emerging from colonial status, to continued impoverishment as military demands take precedence over national development.
(Read to the public shortly after his death)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 6 2023 16:35 utc | 429…..

Posted by: Exile | Nov 6 2023 16:52 utc | 13

It depends on Israel really. If they agree to cease fire than this event will die out for now, but with each passing war Israel will loose its power. However if this war continues it will boil over at some point and this will become a regional war. When thats going to happen is difficult to say. The pressure on Erdogan to do something will be increasing daily, the same goes to the resistance factions in Lebanon and Iraq.

Posted by: Norsk | Nov 6 2023 16:53 utc | 15

“4 The number of butchered Palestinians in the Gaza massacre has now passed 10,000.”
According to Middle East Monitor,

“A senior Israeli security source has disclosed that an estimated 20,000 people were killed in occupation airstrikes in the Gaza Strip. Itamar Eichner, the diplomatic correspondent of Yedioth Ahronoth wrote today that the security source added that: “Hundreds were killed in the rubble of the tunnels. The pressure on Hamas is increasing, and only when they feel the sword on their necks will they offer a deal to release the abductees in order to save their skins.”

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231105-israel-security-source-claim-20000-killed-in-gaza/
Some have suggested that this claim is inflated for an Israeli domestic audience, however.

Posted by: nazcalito | Nov 6 2023 16:57 utc | 17

Is that really you james @ 1?
Nothing is going back to normal ever. Anywhere.
Cheers!

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 6 2023 16:59 utc | 19

What needs to be ingrained into every skull is that without the US behind the zionists 100%, what’s happening today would not be. Yes, the zionists would have still slaughtered thousands but would unleash justice from 4 sides and disappear quickly.
It’s Genocide Joe and the AIPAC blowing congress’ fault they have virually unlimited amounts of weapons to murder for years.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 6 2023 17:02 utc | 21

@ gottlieb | Nov 6 2023 16:59 utc | 10
lol… yeah – true, but sometimes it seems like nothing is really changing either…
thanks everyone for the additional commentary on my post @ 1..

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2023 17:03 utc | 23

james | Nov 6 2023 16:36 utc | 1
Been wondering the same myself. I don’t think things can go back to the previous status quo, not after both the US and Zionistan have been shown to be more bark than bite (though the bite still has a radioactive quality). The world is standing up to the bully, and a bloody nose is now a matter of when.

Posted by: robjira | Nov 6 2023 17:04 utc | 25

Do you understand the single most important strategic element superceding all others in the Middle East. If Iran had the bomb they would not be tainted by the cowardice they now are, the Yanks would have been kept out of the Middle East altogether, the Jews would have been kept in their place and deterred from their slow genocide of the Palestinians (now full-on 3rd Reich massacre),and the cancer Israel has been in the region would have been neutralized.
Saudi Arabia will have developed their own, but in the end, they cancel each other out.
As things stand now, the Jews are slaughtering the Palestinians and will drive them all (and I include the West Bank) out of Israel altogether within the next decade and no-one can or will lift a finger to stop it .
Iran will not. Turkey will not. Egypt will not. Nasrallah is a puppet of the Mullahs.
With an Iranian bomb there would have been peace.
Before the bed-wetters start squawking to prove their superior “strategic thinking” I’ll make it simple: Yanks never in. Jews controlled. Palestinians alive. Think about all the shit that would NEVER have happened. Now go for it boys and girls.

Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 6 2023 17:05 utc | 27

As this is a new thread, I am reposting what I just posted to the old thread:
As someone who has worked in the field of international criminal law and justice I can tell you that US officials are culpable for crimes against humanity and war crimes, just based on the information and evidence available by now in the public domain. Israely officials also, of course.
The US has made available highly relevant and probative information and evidence of its officials’ responsibility for aiding and abetting crimes against humanity and war crimes in Gaza.
Ironically, they have exposed themselves fully to criminal responsibility for aiding and abetting, the form of responsibility they tried to distort and in effect make impossible through manipulations of the US/Israely judge (Theodor Meron) at the Yugoslavia war crimes tribunal (ICTY). They resorted to an attack on the law of aiding and abetting (which attack luckily ultimately failed) in order to protect themselves, Israel (and their other allies) from precisely this type of situation in which an army is committing massive war crimes and crimes against humanity with substantial support from another state and army.
The open, substantial US support to Israel in every domain, including substantial military support in the ongoing 24/7 crime against Gaza, its civilians and civilian infrastructure, is well documented. Criminal responsibility is certain.
Only a proper investigation would indicate the individuals who should be tried for this unprecedented attack on a civilian population in the biggest concentration camp in history.
A case could also be brought against the US and Israel before the International Court of Justice, which settles disputes between states.

Posted by: JB | Nov 6 2023 17:05 utc | 29

@ Exile | Nov 6 2023 16:52 utc | 6
is that bertrand or arch saying that? if it is bertrand – what year did he say it, not that it matters that much? thanks..

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2023 17:07 utc | 31

Posted by: nazcalito | Nov 6 2023 16:57 utc | 9
I think (am not sure) that the Israeli figure of “20,000 dead” refers to Hamas… it’s not like they want to advertise how many civilians they have killed. After destroying schools, hospitals, churches, fishing boats, water reservoirs, solar panel installations, bakeries, ambulances….they must have something to show for it right?
The 25,000+ injured is terrifying…half the hospitals have shut down….saw the interview with kids who have amputated limbs ….and the worst part is they are not even safe now, even having endured that.
This the Grayzone interview with Craid Mokhiber, the UN guy who resigned. He makes some additional points over and above the Democracy Now interview.
https://odysee.com/$/download/un-official-resigns-over-'prima-facie/ba531f04030c3724e1a13745e164e35de68875cf

Posted by: Pq | Nov 6 2023 17:09 utc | 33

@ robjira | Nov 6 2023 17:04 utc | 13
it always seems that way in the heat of the moment, but afterwards everything dies down and seems to go back to an abnormal normal.. thanks for your feedback..

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2023 17:14 utc | 35

craig murray on the right of self defense..
The Right of Self-Defence

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2023 17:17 utc | 37

@4 Will “the israel-palestine conflict will die down again and things will continue on as normal”
Conflicts are always multidimensionnal. Militarily speaking, one could think things might go on as before for a number of years. But morally speaking, Zionism has now shown its real face to the world, and that creates the conditions for a medium term defeat of Israel that it probably irreversible. The effects of a moral defeat are not instantaneous… But they last almost forever. Just consider the way the nazis are still being talked about, 80 years after their defeat. Economically speaking, US support for Israel is also non sustainable. It could go on a while, but not another ten years ! Close the Hormuz straight, invade Taiwan, dump treasuries, developp an attractive BRICS currency, and US support to Israel will evaporate as surely as dew in the morning sun.

Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 6 2023 17:18 utc | 39

good information source –
https://mondoweiss.net/

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2023 17:19 utc | 41

Rising tide is blocking a weapons ship on the way to Israel from Tacoma! All kids of drivers have come down to the port to block the road into the port!

Posted by: Susan | Nov 6 2023 17:24 utc | 43

james | Nov 6 2023 17:03 utc | 12
Changing the status quo in Palestine is, I think, very much part of the larger hybrid war against the US empire. Everything of the last post WWII era changed with the Russia China joint statement early February 2022.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 6 2023 17:27 utc | 45

Pq@18
Under current conditions most of the wounded will die. So will large numbers of those unwounded, who will die of starvation, thirst and diseases brought about by the destruction of infrastructure (sewers waterpipes etc) in one of the most densely populated areas on earth.
None of this is original or novel. These are the basic facts we have all learned from history.
What is happening is a genocide. Not something that amounts, in legal terms, to the equivalent of a genocide, but a real model genocide.
In that respect we can all congratulate ourselves that we are living through an event quite without precedent in human history: a deliberate, unprovoked, inexcusable mass murder carried out, in full sight of all, by the globally hegemonic power.
Perhaps most significant is the fact that the power in question is the dominant cultural power, whose definitions of morality, proper behaviour and rules are more widely accepted and obeyed than any other code or convention.
Biden, as I’m sure that Bertrand Russell would have agreed, now exceeds Hitler or any of his rivals in terms of villainy. A few years ago it would have seemed unlikely that his Presidency would amount to anything more than a sordid interlude. Now it is clear that it has become a cresecendo of crimes without precedent.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 6 2023 17:27 utc | 47

@ james | Nov 6 2023 16:36 utc | 1
But seriously, folks — does anyone on Earth expect this to “die down again and things will continue on as normal”? This is like one of those interviewer’s softballs. Any number of barflies can whack this one out of the park.
There’s no going back in time, ever; especially not after so many scales have fallen from our eyes. I probably qualify as “jaded” where it comes to Mr. Biden, but he has actually surprised me, the past few weeks, with his capacity to shock my conscience. I would define a blood-libel as a deliberate lie, greasing the wheels of genocide. Some lies rise to the level of war crimes — at least in a conceptual world where justice is possible.
Biden has become so publicly complicit in genocide, with the blood-libels he retails. The first lie, maybe the most obvious: he saw photographs of those 40 beheaded babies. Lie number two, upon landing in Tel Aviv, that the bombing of al-Shifa was from “the other team.” Finally, conclusively sealing Biden’s eternal damnation in the eyes of the world if not in the afterlife, he thinks Palestinians exaggerate when they count their dead.
Can I imagine a scenario where, after things like this, we forget all about it? Come on. That’s such a softball question.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 6 2023 17:31 utc | 49

@ 14 HOGGY If Iran had the bomb…
As a nuclear engineer myself, it’s easy to point out that making a dirty bomb, a somewhat less efficient bomb that nevertheless leaves behind it a neat little cloud of death is well within Iran’s current capabilities. Testing it is not as important as it was in the 50’s, because digital simulation is now so much better. If they’d already made one, or could assemble on within days, Iran would have some good incentives not to make it public at this stage. That doesn’t mean they don’t have it.

Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 6 2023 17:34 utc | 51

@ JB (#15):
Unfortunately neither the US or Israel are parties to the ICC, so they’ll get away with it.

Posted by: Irrational | Nov 6 2023 17:37 utc | 53

JB
Petraeus comes first to mind, after the audio leak released by Mehrnews.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 6 2023 17:39 utc | 55

A small note:
– For the past month (and longer) we’ve been hearing a repetitive mantra going something like:
“Hamas is using human shields”.
It just clicked for me a few minutes ago (which means the subliminal messaging was beginning to work!) that in fact there is no recorded instance of Hamas using human shields since 7 October.
It is, like the rest of ‘Israel’s’ defenses, utter nonsense.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 6 2023 17:41 utc | 57

It must be much more than 10,000 since many people are under the rubbles and their relatives have no place to get their phones charged, if ever they survived bombings with their phone at hand. So there is no way the Gazaouis can report all the missing.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 6 2023 17:41 utc | 59

Israel might be able to do a partial genocide in Gaza, compelling most of the survivors to seek refuge elsewhere. But I think it somewhat unlikely they will succeed in that.
Hamas might lose its resolve, given the horror of the loss of life and limb of their brothers and sisters, and surrender. But I don’t see that happening.
I think it likely that with Netanyahu at the helm, Israel will continue to steer its military into Gaza, inflicting misery but while suffering casualties. I don’t think Netanyahu can get away with just bombing Gaza, and shooting missiles into it, without putting on a show of having troops on the ground trying to uproot Hamas.
The question then becomes how long can the Palestinians hold out, and Hamas fight on. Should President Biden refuse to step aside, and he becomes the defacto Democratic nominee, there will then be the question, if the war in Gaza rages on, of if his support of Israel means he’ll drag the party down in defeat, and that his administration will be replaced by a Republican led one. If the answer to that is “Yes”, then both the establishment of the Democratic party, and its media allies, along with the Deep State, have to decide if they are willing to stand by and allow that to happen. While the Deep State/MIC would only be inconvenienced, and suffer no worse than the discomfort of having their seating arrangement changed, and some transparency put in place for a while, they could be very resistant to that, especially those who’d be directly affected as individuals, like those at the State Department, and Department of Defense.
Some might say that a lot of embarrassing documents related to President Biden’s finances making an appearance is connected to the establishment wanting him to not run again. Should some real bombshells unexpectedly manifest themself, then that could be real reason to think that Biden had, in effect, been handed his dismissal papers.
Son Hunter is a walking liability, and God only knows what the powers that be have on him. Maybe he’d be used as the tool to make it obvious that Biden couldn’t be reelected, and then forced to step aside.
There’s a lot of moving pieces on the table, and whoever becomes the nominees of the two dominant parties will of course support Israel if elected. The trick right now for the Deep State is to not have the electorate make a difference come November 2024, and the easiest way to do that might be to soon replace Biden as the standard bearer of the Democratic party with someone who’d exude an aura of moderation, including towards the Middle East. Someone who’d have harsh things to say about Hamas, but seemingly lay down the law to Netanyahu. Right now the current dynamic looks very good for Trump’s chances, and he is not the optimal choice of the MIC and the Deep State. He generates controversy; he’d compel the Democrats to force transparency on his administration, and controversy and transparency are anathema to the MIC/Deep State.
So right now, Biden’s all too public failures in the foreign policy arena are making a lot of very influential people very concerned about their future.

Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 6 2023 17:44 utc | 61

From AJE live
Netanyahu says ‘all civilised powers’ should back Israel in war
Speaking to a meeting of foreign ambassadors, the Israeli prime minister frames the war as a global conflict against an “axis of terror” led by Iran.
“This is not a local battle. This is a global battle,” he said.
“We will defeat Hamas. We will dismantle Hamas. We will offer the people of Gaza and the entire peoples of the Middle East [a] real future, a future of promise and hope, but this requires victory,” Netanyahu said.
“We believe that all civilised powers should back us in this effort because this battle is your battle and our victory is your victory.”
Imagine if MBS had done the same to implement his “vision 2030”

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 6 2023 17:44 utc | 63

Posted by: Irrational | Nov 6 2023 17:37 utc | 29
Nor is Russia.
ICC will not take any action against IS or US.
Former prosecutor of ICC, has been sanctioned by US (seizing his private accounts) because was investigating on US war crimes.
No doubt, US will only use international institution to his own advantage, think about Colin Powell and dismiss or sabotage them when not playing along.
That’s what’s happening now to UN, all west is criticizing them.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 6 2023 17:44 utc | 65

The number of butchered Palestinians in the Gaza massacre has now passed 10,000.
Posted by: anon | Nov 6 2023 16:46 utc | 3
Legal ‘Experts’ suspect that perhaps, maybe, an opinion might be ventured that a possibility exists (in “international law”) that a war crime just *might* conceivably have been committed.

However, this cannot be determined without an extensive investigation …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 6 2023 17:47 utc | 67

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 6 2023 17:31 utc | 27
This all makes me so incredibly sad. There is no going back. How awful.

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 6 2023 17:49 utc | 69

Hamas might lose its resolve, given the horror of the loss of life and limb of their brothers and sisters, and surrender. But I don’t see that happening.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Nov 6 2023 17:44 utc | 33
Hamas was born through exactly this horror. These things don’t quell resistance, they give birth to it!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 6 2023 17:49 utc | 71

@34
Gaza is a skirmish in the battle between two terror regimes. Contending axes of evil!
One is fought with inmates of the ‘civilized’ terrorist axis’ concentration camp. A prison from 1948 funded by the great terror regime in Washington.
Bibi is talking to his civil terror sponsors

Posted by: paddy | Nov 6 2023 17:52 utc | 73

Posted by: Irrational | Nov 6 2023 17:37 utc | 29
Yes, as things stand now, you are right. Not only because US and Israel are not parties to the ICC, but also because under the current ICC Prosecutor the Court has been discredited and is, from my perspective, a bad joke. I say that with a heavy heart.
Hopefully, in some future we will have a true International Criminal Court staffed with great lawyers who have integrity and intellectual honesty and who understand the function and importance of the law and criminal justice.
The fact that US/Israel is unstoppable and operate under total impunity does not prevent us from recording and documenting the full scope of their criminality. It does not prevent us from relentlessly insisting that the US/Israel/UK criminals answer for their crimes.
It is our duty as human beings to separate from the criminals, because if we do not, we are they, as former ICTY Prosecutor Louise Arbour once said.

Posted by: JB | Nov 6 2023 17:52 utc | 75

@ babel-17 #33
If 2024 becomes Trump/Biden again, Trump will most likely win and the Palestinians will be in even worse shape than now. He was the one who moved the embassy, he was the one said Golan Heights belong to the zionists, he is the one who assassinated an Iranian general in Iraq, he is the one who has a zionist son in law.
Now is the time for non-AIPAC owned dems to kick Genocide Joe out.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 6 2023 17:53 utc | 77

Posted by: james | Nov 6 2023 16:36 utc | 1
I think we are *likely* (65%) to see a negotiated ceasefire and a withdrawal of Israeli troops within next two weeks with something like a declaration of victory accompanying it that will not really solve much of anything.
I say *likely* because Israel and the U.S. do not want a war with Hezbollah or Iran, despite what neocons in Senate say. However, I believe both Israel and U.S. realize that they may be past the point of being able to dial things back, and so they are currently floundering in a kind of stasis that does not have any real direction. If this continues past the point of Nasrallah’s patience, then we *may* (35% chance?) see Hezbollah dial up the escalation in the north, and/or Iraqi militias dial up attacks on US bases, to the point that will demand some kind of Israeli or U.S. response. If *that* happens, then all bets are off as to what happens next.
Still, history has told us that Israel’s bombardments of Gaza do not lead to regional escalation, so that is likely what will happen again this time…until of course it doesn’t.

Posted by: WJ | Nov 6 2023 17:53 utc | 79

@james
“do most posters think this latest episode in the israel-palestine conflict will die down again and things will continue on as normal, or do you think we are at an actual critical turning point where a real change takes place?”
No, it’s over for the Zionists.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 6 2023 17:56 utc | 81

Why would Hamas or Hezbollah or the Houthi agree to a ceasefire ? They are pummeling the IDF conscripts

Posted by: Exile | Nov 6 2023 18:03 utc | 83

@Apollyon | Nov 6 2023 17:56 utc | 43

No, it’s over for the Zionists.

I have seen some pictures and videos on Telegram from Palestine, even though I try not to look at the worst. It makes you cry to see children in pain. There are no words to describe the evil behind the governments of US and Israel. This is the new normal for the Zionists.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 6 2023 18:04 utc | 85

no coming back this time.
Northern Gaza has been obliterated.
The physical infrastructure that has been destroyed won’t be rebuilt – who’s gonna rebuild it? with who’s money?
Mass amounts of housing, all the hospitals, loads of schools, mosques, churches, roads, electrical lines, water lines, sewer pipes. the destruction is out of this world. In three weeks, Israel has dropped as many/more bombs on Gaza than the US dropped on Afghanistan in the whole year of 2019, the heaviest year of bombardment. Gaza is 141 sq miles. Afghanistan is 252,071 sq miles. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/05/israel-strike-targets-gaza-civilians-hamas/
and more Palestinian civilians have been killed in these three weeks than Ukrainian civilians killed in the nearly two years.
and the social and economic systems destroyed with all the destruction are beyond repair. whole families systems gone. religious leaders killed and their communities dispersed. teachers killed. Doctors, health care workers, first responders, ambulances…all gone. The support systems in all of that, essential to physical and some amount of emotional recovery can’t possibly be replaced.
not to mention the amount of rotting flesh under all that rubble. how does one recover all those bits of people? dispose of it all.
the devastation is unprecedented in modern times.
and the reality that nothing & no one has been able to make any of it stop is tectonic. not the UN, ICC, ICJ, human rights watchers, foreign govts, political alliances, global protests. nothing. what does that mean for the Palestinian People right now? for the rest of us, in our own countries, where the very word “Palestinian” is being criminalised, anti-genocide (imagine that such a word even has had to be coined) protesters are arrested, deportation of Palestinians is being called for…the illusions of the fabric of our societies has been unraveled, and it can’t ever be rewoven. and that is not hyperbole.
However Gaza ends us, Palestinians are going to be forced into Southern Gaza as some part of that process…and they won’t be able to survive there…the region will be further destabilised because of it.
Atrocity is being normalised. we are being conditioned to live with it. in the name of frantic end stage capitalism. what comes next is anybodies guess. but this is just the tip of the fast melting fckg iceberg.

Posted by: Irish | Nov 6 2023 18:12 utc | 87

In that respect we can all congratulate ourselves that we are living through an event quite without precedent in human history: a deliberate, unprovoked, inexcusable mass murder carried out, in full sight of all, by the globally hegemonic power.
Biden, as I’m sure that Bertrand Russell would have agreed, now exceeds Hitler or any of his rivals in terms of villainy. A few years ago it would have seemed unlikely that his Presidency would amount to anything more than a sordid interlude. Now it is clear that it has become a cresecendo of crimes without precedent.
Posted by: bevin | Nov 6 2023 17:27 utc | 25

1 re unprecedented mass murder: many recent examples of far worse or similar…Iraq…Yugoslavia..Cambodia… Somalia… Etc. Not to excuse, just sayin’…
2. Have posted here earlier that the Biden Presidency will go down as one of the most consequential in the republic’s (brief) history. Quite possibly the last, too, given its current post-constitutional condition, but that remains to be seen; 2024 gonna be a Longest Year…

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 6 2023 18:14 utc | 89

Basically, things are and will be different this time. Two things are primary here–first is that Hamas showed its muscle and skill in carrying out the breakout attack–we can call them names but their power is real and will not disappear. Second, the ugliness of Israel’s nastiness is in full bloom not only in Gaza but in the West where any criticism of Israel is considered “anti-Semitic” and prominent Jews and their “bitches” are advocating serious reprisals against those who are sympathetic to the genocidal Isareli policies. When the policy of Likud and their partners becomes better known there will be a strong reaction. Who can stand with master-race ideologues who slaughter their enemies because they ideology of the radical Zionists considers non-Jews in general and, in particular Arabs, to be “animals” who can be slaughtered like diseased cattle.
We now have to wait for opposition to Israel to “emerge” in Islamic societies and force their government to do “something.” In the past they have done nothing. Hizbollah and others are waiting to see how Europe reacts to this crisis. If Europe starts moving away from full-throated support of the US/UK/Israel then there may be room for Islamic societies to make some demands for a realistic resolution of this nearly 70 year-old problem. The alternative is a major regional war that could expand to WWIII.
One of the most important factor in all this is that there are major elements and seem to be increasing daily of US society that are tired of the lies, propaganda and failed wars so it will be harder for the propagandists to champion the Israel’s very ugly-looking respone to 10/7 (their current leadership may not care since God is always on their side).

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Nov 6 2023 18:15 utc | 91

Must watch!
Dr. Finkelstein responds to Bernie Sanders ==> https://youtu.be/9R49v3K29mM

Posted by: too scents | Nov 6 2023 18:20 utc | 93

Is that really you james @ 1?
Nothing is going back to normal ever. Anywhere.
Cheers!
Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 6 2023 16:59 utc | 10
It is a james. But it’s definitely not THE musician james who has been a barfly for many years.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 6 2023 18:22 utc | 95

Regarding the US ’24 election, it appears at this stage that the Biden clique will do literally anything to prevent Trump from reentering the White House. At this stage, it’s clear that in a reasonably clean election, Trump would win. It’s unlikely that there will be such an election, and there is a large segment of the American public who are paying attention to this. If the lawfare against Trump succeeds in getting him off the ballot, I suspect that congress will learn what a real insurrection looks like. I say this as someone who has never voted for an R in my life, and few D’s, either. I have no dog in that particular fight, even if elected Trump will have so many institutional constraints on his actions (and ideological constraints of his own) that he’s unlikely to do much that the Deep State doesn’t agree on. It’s obvious that there are no other serious candidates who even want to.
As for the war in Palestine, Hezbollah, Turkey and Iran each individually have escalation dominance over Israel- that is, if Israel escalates, they can escalate even more, with the end game being Israel having to use nukes. This would certainly lead to extinction. Not only do its enemies have the conventional means to destroy the Israeli state, Pakistan has already said that if Israel uses nukes, Pakistan will respond in kind. Israel does not have enough weapons of any kind to destroy the Muslim world. The Muslim world possess enough weapons of every kind to destroy Israel many times over. Only a religious extremist can look at that math and escalate, but unfortunately, those are who are in control of Israel, from both sides of the pond.

Posted by: Honzo | Nov 6 2023 18:26 utc | 97

40 minutes of interviews with Israeli talking opening about having slaves,sub-humans, ethnic cleansing, Israel from the Nile to the Eurphrates – and much worse.
About 1/2 way in a young Netanyahu talking openly about ….
https://www.bitchute.com/video/i7ZeQzFpKJUC/

Posted by: Exile | Nov 6 2023 18:26 utc | 99