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November 4, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-259
Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine. The current open thread for other issues is here. Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.
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The bar is split between those that believe the Gaza conflict is a long haul conflict Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 13:35 utc | 1 The bar is split between those that believe the Gaza conflict is a long haul conflict Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 13:35 utc | 2 librul@1…..how long is the rope? Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 4 2023 13:40 utc | 3 librul@1…..how long is the rope? Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 4 2023 13:40 utc | 4 I think the significance of Gaza in the West is the waking up of many who were blind to the Empire’s cruelty and evil. Especially the young see the images of children shattered and are questioning the lies they have been fed all their lives. Whether Gaza is the flurry of falling rocks that precipitates an avalanche of change I do not know. Posted by: mtw | Nov 4 2023 13:46 utc | 5 I think the significance of Gaza in the West is the waking up of many who were blind to the Empire’s cruelty and evil. Especially the young see the images of children shattered and are questioning the lies they have been fed all their lives. Whether Gaza is the flurry of falling rocks that precipitates an avalanche of change I do not know. Posted by: mtw | Nov 4 2023 13:46 utc | 6 @1 Just look at a map of the Israeli and settlers controlled areas and you will find out there isn’t much surface area left for the Palestinians to live in for the next 75 years. This topic is not a matter of rhetoric at this point but rather an action item. My own country, Canada, by its silence, is complicit to the genocidal actions of Israel. Posted by: Richard L | Nov 4 2023 14:06 utc | 7 @1 Just look at a map of the Israeli and settlers controlled areas and you will find out there isn’t much surface area left for the Palestinians to live in for the next 75 years. This topic is not a matter of rhetoric at this point but rather an action item. My own country, Canada, by its silence, is complicit to the genocidal actions of Israel. Posted by: Richard L | Nov 4 2023 14:06 utc | 8 b had provided an early, “hot off the press”, version of Nasrallah’s speech. Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 14:12 utc | 9 b had provided an early, “hot off the press”, version of Nasrallah’s speech. Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 14:12 utc | 10 STRATEGIC CULTURE Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:22 utc | 11 STRATEGIC CULTURE Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:22 utc | 12 Brian Berletic has some great analysis on the whole Gaza Palestine Genocide and Hamas.
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Nov 4 2023 14:28 utc | 13 Brian Berletic has some great analysis on the whole Gaza Palestine Genocide and Hamas.
Posted by: Laura Roslin | Nov 4 2023 14:28 utc | 14 Naked Capitalism article analysing the speech Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:36 utc | 15 Naked Capitalism article analysing the speech Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:36 utc | 16 There hasn’t been nearly enough bloodshed yet to keep our bloodthirsty Zionist friends happy. They won’t be satisfied until they’ve killed the last Palestinian child. As government minister Shaked said, all Palestinian children have to be killed and all Palestinian mothers have to be killed so no Palestinian children can be born. Charming people, our Zionist chums. Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 14:39 utc | 17 There hasn’t been nearly enough bloodshed yet to keep our bloodthirsty Zionist friends happy. They won’t be satisfied until they’ve killed the last Palestinian child. As government minister Shaked said, all Palestinian children have to be killed and all Palestinian mothers have to be killed so no Palestinian children can be born. Charming people, our Zionist chums. Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 14:39 utc | 18 The wanton disregard for international law by the Israeli regime is shocking. This week saw the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza bombed on three consecutive days killing hundreds of civilians. According to the UN, more than 70 per cent of fatalities in Gaza are women and children., ld 5 Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:40 utc | 19 The wanton disregard for international law by the Israeli regime is shocking. This week saw the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza bombed on three consecutive days killing hundreds of civilians. According to the UN, more than 70 per cent of fatalities in Gaza are women and children., ld 5 Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:40 utc | 20 Charming people, our Zionist chums. Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 21 Charming people, our Zionist chums. Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 22 As’ad Abu Khalil-aka the Angry Arab- has his lengthy interretation of the meaning of Hassan Nasrallah’s speech. Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 23 As’ad Abu Khalil-aka the Angry Arab- has his lengthy interretation of the meaning of Hassan Nasrallah’s speech. Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 24 I have fallen apart about children in Palestine, and the genocide… Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 25 I have fallen apart about children in Palestine, and the genocide… Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 26 What a difference a few months make. Putin has an ICC arrest warrant hanging over his head for taking kids to safety from the war zone. In October in Israel the possibility of deporting 2 million people was floated and still no arrest warrant from the ICC. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 14:57 utc | 27 What a difference a few months make. Putin has an ICC arrest warrant hanging over his head for taking kids to safety from the war zone. In October in Israel the possibility of deporting 2 million people was floated and still no arrest warrant from the ICC. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 14:57 utc | 28 Richard L@3 Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 15:05 utc | 29 Richard L@3 Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 15:05 utc | 30 Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide? Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 31 Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide? Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 32 Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 12 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 15:16 utc | 33 Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 12 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 15:16 utc | 34 @ID number 5 Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 35 @ID number 5 Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 36 @ ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 15 Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 37 @ ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 15 Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 38 @Stranger no.12 Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:31 utc | 39 @Stranger no.12 Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:31 utc | 40 @16 Arch Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 41 @16 Arch Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 42 Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16 Posted by: pq | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 43 Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16 Posted by: pq | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 44 I still say this recent clash between Hamas and Israel may trace its ignition back to Morocco. This press conference at the UN by Omar Hilale from Oct. 30 is important. It’s in French, which I can only semi-translate (without turning to translation-ware for help), but he speaks clearly about terrorism in Morocco and how Morocco follows a legal and judicial process to identify who’s responsible. And Morocco is working with the UN Security Council, something to consider for those who think it serves no constructive purpose. Not quite a smoking gun, but to me, it’s getting there. Not to be crass, but being on another continent may lend itself to more willingness to get things started in the Middle East, if necessary? Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 4 2023 15:40 utc | 45 I still say this recent clash between Hamas and Israel may trace its ignition back to Morocco. This press conference at the UN by Omar Hilale from Oct. 30 is important. It’s in French, which I can only semi-translate (without turning to translation-ware for help), but he speaks clearly about terrorism in Morocco and how Morocco follows a legal and judicial process to identify who’s responsible. And Morocco is working with the UN Security Council, something to consider for those who think it serves no constructive purpose. Not quite a smoking gun, but to me, it’s getting there. Not to be crass, but being on another continent may lend itself to more willingness to get things started in the Middle East, if necessary? Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 4 2023 15:40 utc | 46 Re: comment 4 by Librul – Hassan Nassrallah’s speech; Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 4 2023 15:43 utc | 47 Re: comment 4 by Librul – Hassan Nassrallah’s speech; Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 4 2023 15:43 utc | 48 call to action by the resistance in any serious way Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:01 utc | 49 call to action by the resistance in any serious way Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:01 utc | 50 From MEE:
That star of David is starting to resemble another flag with a geometric design. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 4 2023 16:03 utc | 51 From MEE:
That star of David is starting to resemble another flag with a geometric design. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 4 2023 16:03 utc | 52
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 53
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 54 If not stopped, the Jews will kill them all. Keep hiding from that under your blizzards of words. When the children are all gone, you might finally run out of things to say. It won’t really matter then, will it. They’ll all still be dead. Nothing’s worth any of us dying for, is it. They’re just somebody else’s kids anyway. Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 55 If not stopped, the Jews will kill them all. Keep hiding from that under your blizzards of words. When the children are all gone, you might finally run out of things to say. It won’t really matter then, will it. They’ll all still be dead. Nothing’s worth any of us dying for, is it. They’re just somebody else’s kids anyway. Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 56 Posted on Middle East Eye Live feed;
Comment – the IDF is losing badly on a military level. Its Blind Rage attacks are a sign of weakness not strength Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 57 Posted on Middle East Eye Live feed;
Comment – the IDF is losing badly on a military level. Its Blind Rage attacks are a sign of weakness not strength Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 58 How many Palestinian children has the u$$a’ proxy killed the past 4 weeks, how many more to go? Posted by: paddy | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 59 How many Palestinian children has the u$$a’ proxy killed the past 4 weeks, how many more to go? Posted by: paddy | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 60 My previous “stay stay” comment (#20) at Stranger should have referenced no. 13, not 12 Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 16:28 utc | 61 My previous “stay stay” comment (#20) at Stranger should have referenced no. 13, not 12 Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 16:28 utc | 62 Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27 Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 16:31 utc | 63 Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27 Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 16:31 utc | 64 Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27 Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:37 utc | 65 Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27 Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:37 utc | 66 So here we are, having planned the new Crusades since the C19th at least under the emerging Euro power being handed the baton , the British. With the use of Judaism as the excuse, the fantasy of Jerusalem and Israel and the belief known as Zionism – the connecting belief of the Rulers of the world regardless of the beliefs of their own nation’s populations. Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 67 So here we are, having planned the new Crusades since the C19th at least under the emerging Euro power being handed the baton , the British. With the use of Judaism as the excuse, the fantasy of Jerusalem and Israel and the belief known as Zionism – the connecting belief of the Rulers of the world regardless of the beliefs of their own nation’s populations. Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 68 Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 29 Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:40 utc | 69 Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 29 Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:40 utc | 70 Although as a bell-weather item for years, the annual UNGA vote condemning the illegal, ICC-type criminal economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by the United States of America against Cuba, this years vote was very indicative as the results show: 187 countries voted in favor of the resolution. Against: 2 (USA and Israel). Ukraine abstained. The following rhetoric in the Russian MFA PR could also be applied to the Zionists if a vote were to be taken on their behavior over the years:
In rather stark contrast to the Cuba Embargo vote was the annual resolution against Nazism that will be posted to the Ukie thread. Although as a bell-weather item for years, the annual UNGA vote condemning the illegal, ICC-type criminal economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by the United States of America against Cuba, this years vote was very indicative as the results show: 187 countries voted in favor of the resolution. Against: 2 (USA and Israel). Ukraine abstained. The following rhetoric in the Russian MFA PR could also be applied to the Zionists if a vote were to be taken on their behavior over the years:
In rather stark contrast to the Cuba Embargo vote was the annual resolution against Nazism that will be posted to the Ukie thread. it isn’t as if those offshore rigs and pipelines were already built and functional. Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 73 it isn’t as if those offshore rigs and pipelines were already built and functional. Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 74 Nothing can replace the desolation of tens of thousands murdered by a synagogue of Satan, but Hamas has won. Jews have lost the holocaust industry. And Zionism is dead. The USA, after losing to Russia in Ukraine, is looking for a way out of Gaza. Hamas has won. Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 75 Nothing can replace the desolation of tens of thousands murdered by a synagogue of Satan, but Hamas has won. Jews have lost the holocaust industry. And Zionism is dead. The USA, after losing to Russia in Ukraine, is looking for a way out of Gaza. Hamas has won. Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 76 Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 16:53 utc | 77 Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 16:53 utc | 78 @ sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 37 Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 79 @ sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 37 Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 80 Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 28 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 81 Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 28 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 82 Israel’s campaign will continue as it has for at least another week. France wants to set up “humanitarian conference” but it won’t meet until Nov 9. Arab League has plans for “emergency meeting” but scheduled for Nov 11. Blinken is moving about ahead of those dates. Assume that massive pressure is being exerted right now behind the scenes to move the Palestinians into the areas designated (Sinai and Jordan). Likely being sold as the “quick fix” to instability and security issues moving forward. Posted by: jayc | Nov 4 2023 17:12 utc | 83 Israel’s campaign will continue as it has for at least another week. France wants to set up “humanitarian conference” but it won’t meet until Nov 9. Arab League has plans for “emergency meeting” but scheduled for Nov 11. Blinken is moving about ahead of those dates. Assume that massive pressure is being exerted right now behind the scenes to move the Palestinians into the areas designated (Sinai and Jordan). Likely being sold as the “quick fix” to instability and security issues moving forward. Posted by: jayc | Nov 4 2023 17:12 utc | 84 Ziostate doesn’t want to share with Palestine. Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 17:14 utc | 85 Ziostate doesn’t want to share with Palestine. Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 17:14 utc | 86 Killing up to 1,000 Palestinians a day in Gaza is not quick enough for genocide. Even if the war lasts a year without ceasefire, which is hard to imagine. Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 4 2023 17:30 utc | 87 Killing up to 1,000 Palestinians a day in Gaza is not quick enough for genocide. Even if the war lasts a year without ceasefire, which is hard to imagine. Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 4 2023 17:30 utc | 88 To stranger@21 …and all strangers who seek to navigate the trap known as humanity. Posted by: chu teh | Nov 4 2023 17:35 utc | 89 To stranger@21 …and all strangers who seek to navigate the trap known as humanity. Posted by: chu teh | Nov 4 2023 17:35 utc | 90 Thanks for the poem of Badr al-Shakir al Sayyab, communist Iraqi poet totally unknown in the West. Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 17:40 utc | 91 Thanks for the poem of Badr al-Shakir al Sayyab, communist Iraqi poet totally unknown in the West. Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 17:40 utc | 92 Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them. Posted by: D J G | Nov 4 2023 17:48 utc | 93 Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them. Posted by: D J G | Nov 4 2023 17:48 utc | 94 “Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them.” Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 17:53 utc | 95 “Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them.” Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 17:53 utc | 96 A reminder. Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 4 2023 17:57 utc | 97 A reminder. Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 4 2023 17:57 utc | 98 Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 34 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 4 2023 18:06 utc | 99 Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 34 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 4 2023 18:06 utc | 100 |
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