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November 04, 2023

Palestine Open Thread 2023-259

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

Posted by b on November 4, 2023 at 13:31 UTC | Permalink

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The bar is split between those that believe the Gaza conflict is a long haul conflict
and those that believe the world tight-ropes the abyss.

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 13:35 utc | 1

[email protected] long is the rope?

Cheers M

Gaza btw......75 years plus, not long enough?

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 4 2023 13:40 utc | 2


I think the significance of Gaza in the West is the waking up of many who were blind to the Empire's cruelty and evil. Especially the young see the images of children shattered and are questioning the lies they have been fed all their lives. Whether Gaza is the flurry of falling rocks that precipitates an avalanche of change I do not know.

Obviously for Palestinians it is a fight for their lives and their freedom.

The rest of the world is clueing in more and more to the need to break free from the rotting colonialist bloc.

I am so thankful for this blog. It is a welcome oasis of sanity (despite the trolls) in a desert of propaganda and misinformation.

Posted by: mtw | Nov 4 2023 13:46 utc | 3

@1 Just look at a map of the Israeli and settlers controlled areas and you will find out there isn't much surface area left for the Palestinians to live in for the next 75 years. This topic is not a matter of rhetoric at this point but rather an action item. My own country, Canada, by its silence, is complicit to the genocidal actions of Israel.

Posted by: Richard L | Nov 4 2023 14:06 utc | 4

b had provided an early, "hot off the press", version of Nasrallah's speech.

Here is a newer version:

https://www.sott.net/article/485683-Hezbollah-Secretary-General-Hassan-Nasrallahs-Speech-on-War-in-Palestine-Full-Transcript

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 14:12 utc | 5

STRATEGIC CULTURE

The world is witnessing an age of cruel depravity that is on par with the barbarity of Nazi Germany. Sickeningly, the Israeli regime carrying out these war crimes has the temerity to invoke the memory of the Nazi Holocaust as an excuse for its actions. Decent Jews and Holocaust survivors around the world are indignant and ashamed of the repugnant posturing of Israeli envoys wearing yellow stars on their suits at the UN.

The diabolical double-think is made possible by the political and diplomatic indulgence afforded by Western states.

There is no other way to view the mass killings as anything other than genocide. The head of the UN’s human rights office, Craig Mokhiber, this week resigned in disgust over the continuing genocide that he said the United States and the European Union were complicit in.

The wanton disregard for international law by the Israeli regime is shocking. This week saw the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza bombed on three consecutive days killing hundreds of civilians. According to the UN, more than 70 per cent of fatalities in Gaza are women and children.

Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:22 utc | 6

Brian Berletic has some great analysis on the whole Gaza Palestine Genocide and Hamas.

Israel Encircles Gaza City + A Closer Look at Hamas Past/Present

He says:

- Israel is not responding to the October 7 Hamas raids in a bid to eradicate the organization, but rather using Hamas as a pretext to eradicate Palestinians from northern Gaza;
...
- Rather than the October 7 raids being “blowback” regarding this policy, it presents the perfect pretext to not only delay negotiations for a two-state solution, but to eliminate its possibility altogether by eliminating Gaza itself;


Posted by: Laura Roslin | Nov 4 2023 14:28 utc | 7

Naked Capitalism article analysing the speech
b's article was discussed
further enlightenment


https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/11/nasrallahs-speech-confirms-that-mad-has-been-reached-between-israel-us-the-resistance-axis.html

Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:36 utc | 8

There hasn't been nearly enough bloodshed yet to keep our bloodthirsty Zionist friends happy. They won't be satisfied until they've killed the last Palestinian child. As government minister Shaked said, all Palestinian children have to be killed and all Palestinian mothers have to be killed so no Palestinian children can be born. Charming people, our Zionist chums.

Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 14:39 utc | 9

The wanton disregard for international law by the Israeli regime is shocking. This week saw the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza bombed on three consecutive days killing hundreds of civilians. According to the UN, more than 70 per cent of fatalities in Gaza are women and children., ld 5

Like Russian Federation went for clearing the massive dirt, an immaginmable dirt of the western dillusions
about their socalled garden, in the stinking west.
i am living here in the little colony, we are maybe supressed, but not enough.

About Gaza it is the openess of the uglyeness of the so called west ( will prostitute for the resources they do not have, will sell out). And kill.

For me, it is very revealing that EU is entering the fashist times

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:40 utc | 10

Charming people, our Zionist chums.

Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 14:39 utc | 8

Barking mad, and proud of it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 11

As'ad Abu Khalil-aka the Angry Arab- has his lengthy interretation of the meaning of Hassan Nasrallah's speech.
"Nasrallah is an expert on Israel; he spends hours reading about Israel and its politics and military..."
(The same can be said of As'ad. A professor at the once internationally renowned University of California)

"...Nasrallah does not operate in a vacuum. There is a very complex context in which he does. In the Arab world, the Western-Gulf alliance has spent billions to demonize Nasrallah and to undermine his standing in the Arab and Muslim worlds; and his standing reached new heights in the wake of the 2006 war with Israel.

"Hizbullah’s involvement in Syria, and the circulation of slogans that were sectarian and religious in nature, aided the Gulf regimes’ campaign against Nasrallah and the party, portraying them as purely Shiite and merely puppets of Iran. The Gulf’s mission was to push the party into a sectarian corner, and the party — through its political behavior in Lebanon — unintentionally aided that mission.

"Since the Lebanese economic collapse in 2019, Hizbullah has pursued political options focusing on solidifying Shiite political ranks. This is only understandable from the perspective of the party protecting itself from a Gulf-Israel plot to instigate a Shiite, intra-sectarian, civil war.

"Thus it’s not easy to assess the speech with disregard to the political context in which it took place. Nasrallah was addressing many audiences: the party’s rank-and-file, the Lebanese scene, the Arab scene, and his enemies in the West and Israel.....
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/04/asad-abukhalil-nasrallah-the-future-of-the-war/

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 12

I have fallen apart about children in Palestine, and the genocide...

Not for the first time, before it happened in 2017, the pics of child with a sheared brain have stayed with me, I cried on my balcony while my visiting family having enjoyed the holidays, they were embarrased of me. While I was crying.They thought I was crazy woman.

No more, I appreciate the measured response of Nasrallah and hesbollah. I can only appreciate how cold and calculated their hatred and dispite of this so called west is. So is mine.

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 13

What a difference a few months make. Putin has an ICC arrest warrant hanging over his head for taking kids to safety from the war zone. In October in Israel the possibility of deporting 2 million people was floated and still no arrest warrant from the ICC.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 14:57 utc | 14

Richard L@3
It's worse than that. Silence would be much better: at the UN Bob Rae is one of the crassest of the voices braying excuses for genocide to the world.
Yesterday Lavrov, the most diplomatic of men, could hardly prevent himself from laughing at the stupidity exhibited by Canadian government spokesmen allegedly offering Gazans refuge in Canada as part of Israel's ethnic cleansing.

Ottawa is full of politicians who simply do not understand that there is more to the world than Washington and Tel Aviv tell them.
Surrounded by the most corrupted media in the world you would think that they would be cynical about what they read and hear from it. But they aren't they actually credit the prostitutes that they reward with objectivity and wisdom.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 15:05 utc | 15

Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide?

If Israel can't force every Gazan into Egypt, then Israel is stuck with millions of Palestinians in Gaza. Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign would be a failure.

If it can't force exile, Israel's racist leadership would choose genocide.

Killing up to 1,000 Palestinians a day in Gaza is not quick enough for genocide. Even if the war lasts a year without ceasefire, which is hard to imagine.

As the US increases pressure for a ceasefire, Israel will see its time to act shortened.

1. Israel has no compunction about 'going rogue' against US directives
2. Israel is blind to world opinion
3. Israel has no qualms about genocide

It will find a provocation: a missile attack, an "existential treat," but the nukes will be used in Gaza, not Lebanon.

When Israel does this, it will cite Hiroshima and Nagasaki as precedent.

Tzipi Hotovely compared Israel's bombing of Gaza to US bombings of Mosul and Dresden (https://www.mediaite.com/uk/israeli-official-evokes-dresden/). The NY Times reported unnamed officials "referred to how the United States … resorted to … dropping of the two atomic warheads in Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

The US will officially condemn such a move, say that WWII was different, but US will be complicit nonetheless.

It would not change US policy, as it continues to turn Israel into a special kind of US military base.

Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 12

The best advice I can offer is just don't look at the pictures.

Deal with it at an intellectual level, or you'll go mad.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 15:16 utc | 17

@ID number 5

Well said, very well said, we need to comment in the clearest most vigorous language to characterize this bestiality cloaked in self-righteousness. This you have done.

Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 18

@ ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 15

I’m sure we can all agree that the Zioterrorist entity is not above using nukes or exterminating the Gazan population. Still, I doubt it is both stupid and insane enough to risk dealing with nuclear fallout when the current strategy of murder, starvation, dehydration, and disease would accomplish the same result.

Granted, the current method takes longer, but it isn’t as if those offshore rigs and pipelines were already built and functional.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 19

@Stranger no.12

stay, stay, with your humanity, your warmth. You are not crazy. The world, much of the world, I hope most of the world, is in horror at this terrible duplicity of intention to murder infants.

Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:31 utc | 20

@16 Arch

Too late, and I appreciate your offerings, your postings are clever and I identify with them, thank you.

I have already gone mad.Intellectual level? Cold hearted it is, and I am not a prostitute for the internet porn.I do not watch.

As i thougt about ukraine situ, so the players in this disaster are learning from russians, trap the idiotical bustards.
After all, just spring the trap for the bastards. The price is too much for me, as I really cry every day.
But I trust Rf and people who understand what is going on, like you ( karloff etc...)

Still, I am so devastated.
My favourite poet:


our eyes are two palm tree forests in early light,
Or two balconies from which the moonlight recedes
When they smile, your eyes, the vines put forth their leaves,
And lights dance . . . like moons in a river
Rippled by the blade of an oar at break of day;
As if stars were throbbing in the depths of them . . .
And they drown in a mist of sorrow translucent
Like the sea stroked by the hand of nightfall;
The warmth of winter is in it, the shudder of autumn,
And death and birth, darkness and light;
A sobbing flares up to tremble in my soul
And a savage elation embracing the sky,
Frenzy of a child frightened by the moon.
It is as if archways of mist drank the clouds
And drop by drop dissolved in the rain . . .
As if children snickered in the vineyard bowers,
The song of the rain
Rippled the silence of birds in the trees . . .
Drop, drop, the rain
Drip
Dropthe rain

Evening yawned, from low clouds
Heavy tears are streaming still.
It is as if a child before sleep were rambling on
About his mother a year ago he went to wake her, did not find her,
Then was told, for he kept on asking,
'After tomorrow, she'll come back again . . .
That she must come back again,
Yet his playmates whisper that she is there
In the hillside, sleeping her death for ever,
Eating the earth around her, drinking the rain;
As if a forlorn fisherman gathering nets
Cursed the waters and fate
And scattered a song at moonset,
Drip, drop, the rain
Drip, drop, the rain

Do you know what sorrow the rain can inspire?
Do you know how gutters weep when it pours down?
Do you know how lost a solitary person feels in the rain?
Endless, like spilt blood, like hungry people, like love,
Like children, like the dead, endless the rain.
Your two eyes take me wandering with the rain,
Lightning's from across the Gulf sweep the shores of Iraq
With stars and shells,
As if a dawn were about to break from them, But night pulls over them a coverlet of blood. I cry out to the Gulf: 'O Gulf,
Giver of pearls, shells and death!'
And the echo replies,
As if lamenting:
'O Gulf,
Giver of shells and death .
I can almost hear Iraq husbanding the thunder,
Storing lightning in the mountains and plains,
So that if the seal were broken by men
The winds would leave in the valley not a trace of Thamud.
I can almost hear the palmtrees drinking the rain,
Hear the villages moaning and emigrants
With oar and sail fighting the Gulf
Winds of storm and thunder, singing
'Rain . . . rain . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .

And there is hunger in Iraq,
The harvest time scatters the grain in-it,
That crows and locusts may gobble their fill,
Granaries and stones grind on and on,
Mills turn in the fields, with them men turning . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
Drip
Drop
When came the night for leaving, how many tears we shed,
We made the rain a pretext, not wishing to be blamed
Drip, drop, the rain
Drip, drop, the rain
Since we had been children, the sky
Would be clouded in wintertime,
And down would pour the rain,
And every year when earth turned green the hunger struck us.
Not a year has passed without hunger in Iraq.
Rain . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
Drip, drop . . .

In every drop of rain
A red or yellow color buds from the seeds of flowers.
Every tear wept by the hungry and naked people
And every spilt drop of slaves' blood
Is a smile aimed at a new dawn,
A nipple turning rosy in an infant's lips
In the young world of tomorrow, bringer of life.
Drip.....
Drop..... the rain . . .In the rain.
Iraq will blossom one day '
I cry out to the Gulf: 'O Gulf,
Giver of pearls, shells and death!'
The echo replies
As if lamenting:
'O Gulf,
Giver of shells and death.'
And across the sands from among its lavish gifts
The Gulf scatters fuming froth and shells
And the skeletons of miserable drowned emigrants
Who drank death forever
From the depths of the Gulf, from the ground of its silence,
And in Iraq a thousand serpents drink the nectar
From a flower the Euphrates has nourished with dew.
I hear the echo
Ringing in the Gulf:
'Rain . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
Drip, drop.'

In every drop of rain
A red or yellow color buds from the seeds of flowers.
Every tear wept by the hungry and naked people
And every spilt drop of slaves' blood
Is a smile aimed at a new dawn,
A nipple turning rosy in an infant's lips
In the young world of tomorrow, bringer of life.
And still the rain pours down.

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 21

Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16

What do I know but I don't think Israel can use nukes in a country that small. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.
The issue now apart from the direct bombing is the lack of medical care and everything else....

Posted by: pq | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 22

I still say this recent clash between Hamas and Israel may trace its ignition back to Morocco. This press conference at the UN by Omar Hilale from Oct. 30 is important. It’s in French, which I can only semi-translate (without turning to translation-ware for help), but he speaks clearly about terrorism in Morocco and how Morocco follows a legal and judicial process to identify who’s responsible. And Morocco is working with the UN Security Council, something to consider for those who think it serves no constructive purpose. Not quite a smoking gun, but to me, it’s getting there. Not to be crass, but being on another continent may lend itself to more willingness to get things started in the Middle East, if necessary?

https://media.un.org/en/asset/k1m/k1memwkhde

https://www.state.gov/u-s-algeria-strategic-dialogue/

http://diplomatie.ma/en/statement-morocco-welcomes-adoption-un-security-council-resolution-2703

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 4 2023 15:40 utc | 23

Re: comment 4 by Librul - Hassan Nassrallah's speech;

Thanks for sharing. I read through it. It is not a great speech imho, just too long and sprawling.

What I read in this is a guy trying to absolve his group and associated parties of planning and execiting the attack on Oct 7. It is of course flowered up with many repeated references to martyrdom etc, but it seems this is a speech that starts by trying to absolve Hezbollah, Lebanon and Iran of guilt. It is also, it seems to me, a speech that denounces Israel's and the USA's actions.

However, I do not see this speech as a declaration of war, or call to action by the resistance in any serious way, which is a bit surprising. A lot hinges on what Israel and US does next. A direct attack on Iran or the Lebanon will ignite serious and combined response targeting Israel and US I feel. Turkey, Egypt, and Iran hold the cards. If things get serious and escalate out of control, China and perhaps Russia enter the fray to contain the crazy Israel/ US dominance plans.

Posted by: Áobh O'Sheachnasaigh | Nov 4 2023 15:43 utc | 24

call to action by the resistance in any serious way
Posted by: Áobh O'Sheachnasaigh | Nov 4 2023 15:43 utc | 24

"any serious way": Give us an example of serious resistance

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:01 utc | 25

From MEE:

Israeli settlers mounted an Israeli flag on the minaret of a mosque in the occupied West Bank on Saturday, in the latest example of increased attacks since the war started on 7 October.

That star of David is starting to resemble another flag with a geometric design.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 4 2023 16:03 utc | 26

TVP World: French senators propose bill to make Zionism criticism a criminal offence

➡️ A group consisting of 16 French senators, most of them associated with the political party The Republicans (LR), introduced a bill, led by Senator Stéphane Le Rudulier, aimed at making anti-Zionism a criminal offense. Senator Le Rudulier argues that the rise in anti-Semitism is linked to hatred of Israel.

➡️ The proposed bill, which was submitted for a first reading in the Senate, includes penalties for various offenses related to anti-Zionism. It seeks to punish those who deny the existence of the State of Israel with one year of imprisonment and a fine of EUR 45,000.

➡️ Those who insult the State of Israel would face two years imprisonment and a fine of EUR 75,000, and those who directly provoke hatred or violence against the State of Israel with five years of imprisonment and a fine of EUR 100,000.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27

If not stopped, the Jews will kill them all. Keep hiding from that under your blizzards of words. When the children are all gone, you might finally run out of things to say. It won't really matter then, will it. They'll all still be dead. Nothing's worth any of us dying for, is it. They're just somebody else's kids anyway.
This species deserves to survive - if it doesn't, who will be around to make up these good jokes?

Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 28

Posted on Middle East Eye Live feed;

Al-Qassam Brigades says it has killed five Israeli soldiers 2 hours ago

The al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas's armed wing, said it killed five Israeli soldiers and wounded several others in a building northwest of Gaza City on Saturday.

Comment - the IDF is losing badly on a military level. Its Blind Rage attacks are a sign of weakness not strength

Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 29

How many Palestinian children has the u$$a' proxy killed the past 4 weeks, how many more to go?

This is a skirmish in the long running trap set for the u$$a empire.

Long war for the fools who skim fiat off it, and lose the big game.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 30

My previous "stay stay" comment (#20) at Stranger should have referenced no. 13, not 12

Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 16:28 utc | 31

Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27
Yes. I noticed that a couple of days ago- Skwawakbox had a brief article on it.
It really is almost unbelievable- you have to wonder about the mental health of the poor saps who actually spoke in favour of such nonsense.
My guess is that the Senators involved have inherited the mantle, via Petain, via Action Francaise, via Thiers etc of the the royalists who imprisoned those who spoke disrespectfully of the King.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 16:31 utc | 32

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27

While I'm too young to have a direct knowledge of it, but my grandparents do indeed pass something down, being italian I really feel that this is exactly how fascism begin.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:37 utc | 33

So here we are, having planned the new Crusades since the C19th at least under the emerging Euro power being handed the baton , the British. With the use of Judaism as the excuse, the fantasy of Jerusalem and Israel and the belief known as Zionism - the connecting belief of the Rulers of the world regardless of the beliefs of their own nation’s populations.
Zionism NOT Judaism.
A imperial motif not a Religion.
Israel was the planned re invasion of the Levant and control of Arabia - a land route to Africa and Asia.
A new bigger, deeper canal to rival the Suez they had to give up after the lease ran out.

It was a plan of world domination, the same old plan, which included winning back the Eastern Orthodox by force. It needed brutal new beliefs to marshal the populations.
Christianity, Imperialism, White Supremacy, Fascism, Nazism, Banderism … ultimately the Zionist State and foothold under false pretences on the Holy Land.
That even the Pope of the Vatican is now openly backing after centuries of secretly doing so.
Even the WASP’s are doing after their secret centuries.

There is no concealing the fact that the massed naval forces, militaries, countries are EXACTLY the same as the ones who have been conquering and crusading and colonising over the centuries as well individual nation states and now as the collective waste King Rat!

That flag of a invented nation that marked the high water mark of the old Roman Empire is now being repeated as the end of the Holy Roman Empire that succeeded it and brutalised the world as much as connecting it. Enriching a minority and attempting to enslave the majority.

That is the Unipolar , represented by the final version of a European Imperial Power the USA (don’t kid yourselves , that’s exactly what you are) meeting it’s high water marks, across the whole world, as the majority have conjoined to repel that modern Roman Empire, as the Multipolar World of sovereign peoples.

History repeats. Rome falls. Again. It wasn’t built in a day and it didn’t fall in a day.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 34

Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 29

Mighty idf is a bunch of cowards that can only shoot down people aiming rocks at them, not real different from nato army.

Actually they go for carpet bombing because they shit their pants at the idea of fighting in urban contest and in the tunnels.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:40 utc | 35

Although as a bell-weather item for years, the annual UNGA vote condemning the illegal, ICC-type criminal economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by the United States of America against Cuba, this years vote was very indicative as the results show: 187 countries voted in favor of the resolution. Against: 2 (USA and Israel). Ukraine abstained. The following rhetoric in the Russian MFA PR could also be applied to the Zionists if a vote were to be taken on their behavior over the years:

On November 2, during the 78th session of the UN General Assembly, Havana adopted a resolution on the necessity of ending the economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by the United States of America against Cuba.

The results of the vote convincingly confirmed the virtually unanimous and resolute condemnation by the international community of Washington's illegal discriminatory economic measures. 187 countries voted in favor of the resolution. Against: 2 (USA and Israel). Ukraine abstained.

The Russian side actively supported this document and made a statement to that effect when it was adopted.

The annual adoption of such a resolution for more than 30 years means an unequivocal condemnation by almost the entire international community – both the Global South and almost the entire "collective West" – of the vicious practice of inhumane sanctions against a sovereign state, used by the United States as an instrument of pressure on a government it does not like and a mechanism of undisguised blackmail to achieve its own opportunistic goals.

Unable to part with its claims to world domination, the Biden administration cynically voted against this resolution, contrary to the unanimous opinion of the entire international community and in complete disregard for the fundamental principles and norms of international law. Moreover, by the decision of the President of the United States, the trade, economic and financial embargo against Havana was extended for another year in September of this year. Moscow is convinced that Washington's plans to economically strangle the Island of Freedom and undermine the domestic political situation there are not destined to come true this time either.

Keeping Cuba on the unilateral and absolutely arbitrary U.S. list of so-called "state sponsors of terrorism" is also doomed to failure: despite any obstacles from the United States, Cuba will continue to develop its foreign economic ties.

Russia has always stood in solidarity with the friendly Cuban people, who have courageously and steadfastly resisted the United States blockade for more than 60 years. Together with the international majority, we will continue to seek its complete and unconditional abolition.

Our political cooperation will be strengthened, practical cooperation will deepen in the interests of socioeconomic development, and contacts in the humanitarian sphere will expand. The visit of a high-ranking Cuban government delegation to Moscow these days made it possible to discuss concrete steps in this direction in a substantive manner and to outline new significant guidelines on our joint path with Cuba.

In rather stark contrast to the Cuba Embargo vote was the annual resolution against Nazism that will be posted to the Ukie thread.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 36

it isn’t as if those offshore rigs and pipelines were already built and functional.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 19

Israel has stopped exporting gas to Egypt three weeks ago. Israel diverted 70% Leviathan field output to domestic consumption. That means less output exported from Egypt as LNG. Also an investment "pause" for the foreseeable future on refinery expansion. Hamas is eating Israel's lunch.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 37

Nothing can replace the desolation of tens of thousands murdered by a synagogue of Satan, but Hamas has won. Jews have lost the holocaust industry. And Zionism is dead. The USA, after losing to Russia in Ukraine, is looking for a way out of Gaza. Hamas has won.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 38

Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide?

Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16

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That would seriously cramp their long-term annexation plans for colonization.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 16:53 utc | 39

@ sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 37

Well, yes, but I was referring to as yet undeveloped/unexploited offshore fields. The ones that the Ziostate doesn’t want to share with Palestine.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 40

Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 28

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There are much worse fates than death. I believe many people in the M.E. (of every denomination) understand this.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 41

Israel's campaign will continue as it has for at least another week. France wants to set up "humanitarian conference" but it won't meet until Nov 9. Arab League has plans for "emergency meeting" but scheduled for Nov 11. Blinken is moving about ahead of those dates. Assume that massive pressure is being exerted right now behind the scenes to move the Palestinians into the areas designated (Sinai and Jordan). Likely being sold as the "quick fix" to instability and security issues moving forward.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 4 2023 17:12 utc | 42

Ziostate doesn’t want to share with Palestine.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 40

Share? As if. We all know about arbitrary work permits, but yesterday RT interviewed a PA insider who explained how Israel has always taken 30% off the top of transfers to public- and private-sector payments. This morning RT reports this morning that Israel's mental midgets are operation with the assumption that HAMAS is hoarding fuel under hospitals.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 17:14 utc | 43

Killing up to 1,000 Palestinians a day in Gaza is not quick enough for genocide. Even if the war lasts a year without ceasefire, which is hard to imagine.

Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16

My guess is that if they want to take the whole strip they will push the palestinians so much that the border with Egypt will be opened one way or the other. What will masses of civilian do against an advancing wall of shells, bombs and heavy armored vehicles mowing down everyone in front of them if not trying to get out of the way?
Starvation and diseases should also kick in in due time in such environment.

Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 4 2023 17:30 utc | 44

To stranger@21 ...and all strangers who seek to navigate the trap known as humanity.

Thank you for your communication.

This exquisite trap is designed to induce loss and hopelessness to all would be navigators. Such is the nature of traps.

But navigate we do. No trap is truly perfect. Though the trap may rejuvenate itself through alleged "lifetimes", knowledge of its workings are still accumulated by the record- keeping of its navigators.

Thus hope persists as we stumble and bumble to a way out.
Together goes better via the quality of our communication.

We continue.

Posted by: chu teh | Nov 4 2023 17:35 utc | 45

Thanks for the poem of Badr al-Shakir al Sayyab, communist Iraqi poet totally unknown in the West.
I cannot help thinking that if the world became (even) more religious, there wont be music or literature anymore.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 17:40 utc | 46

Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them.

Posted by: D J G | Nov 4 2023 17:48 utc | 47

"Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them."

First, Russia should destroy the Israeli air force.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 17:53 utc | 48

A reminder.

The Israeli pilots who drop the bombs and fire the missiles on hospitals and civilians are guilty of war crimes and cannot defend themselves by the excuse that they were obeying orders. They will be pursued for their entire lives, as will those responsible for the orders.

Simon Wiesenthal set the precedent.

There will be a time of reckoning, whether it is from the mob, or from International legal mechanisms, there will be no escape.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 4 2023 17:57 utc | 49

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 34
(Judaism)

I've long believed that Judaism was more like a cult than a religion but have never read any of its holy? texts. So I googled it a few minutes ago and here's the (mercifully brief) result:

What are 3 major beliefs of Judaism?

Jewish people believe there's only one God who has established a covenant — or special agreement —with them. Their God communicates to believers through prophets and rewards good deeds while also punishing evil. Most Jews (with the exception of a few groups) believe that their Messiah hasn't yet come — but will one day.
5 Jan 2018

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 4 2023 18:06 utc | 50

I wonder if, under pressures such as they are being subjected to now, the Palestinians in Gaza might form new resistance factions with different alliances to outside actors ...

What will be born from this new womb of fire?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 18:07 utc | 51

https://youtu.be/r-su3WtFibA?feature=shared

Press conference in Jordan Blinken with Jordan and Egypt FM. Couldn't sit through Blinken without nausea so gave up.

Seems to me Arabs genuinely furious.
Jordan specially sensitive to Zionazi horrors in WB besides Gaza.

Maybe they have finally understood that they too are nothing but Amalek to Israel no matter how much they twist themselves into pretzels to normalise and please Israel.

Again how can they (regional neighbors) put immediate pressure on Israel to stop bombing....I am not sure.
The siege, lack of food and water and bombing of medical facilities is the key aspect.

It's a race against time. Israel hopes to get submission through starvation and demoralization. It seems most of us can't even watch the footage of the human aspect, we just stick to analytical stuff to preserve sanity.

Is Blinken a human being? I don't think this cabal of Nuland, Blinken, Kagan that is running the Gaza horror show with the maniacs in Israel are remotely connected to reality. The Ukronazi project failed so they are all in on Zionazi....

Blinken is not going to tell Israel to stop. Does anyone have power over the State Department cabal?

Can Israel crack from within? I don't see how. The pro peace Israelis are literally in hiding. Even if they know IDF did a lot of the killing on Oct 7, they don't care.

Posted by: pq | Nov 4 2023 18:12 utc | 52

Arab League has plans for "emergency meeting" but scheduled for Nov 11.
Posted by: jayc | Nov 4 2023 17:12 utc | 42

Know who you are playing with. Let's recap.

Arab League (NGO 1945): AE, BH, DJ, DZ, EG, IQ, JO, KM, KW, LB, LY, MA, MR, OM, PS (PLO, PA), QA, SA, SO, SS, SY, TN, YE

OPEC (1960 FTA): AE, AO, CG, DZ, GA, GQ, IR, IQ, KW, LY, NG, SA, VZ; PLUS OM*, SD*, BN*, RU*, MX*, AZ*, KZ*, MY*, BH*, EC*, ID*, QA*

OIC (1969 NGO): AE, AL, AF, AZ, BD, BF, BH, BJ, BN, CM, CI, DZ, EG, GA, GM, GN, GY, GW, ID, IR, IQ, JO, KG, KM, KW, KZ, LB, LY, MA, ML, MR, MV, MY, MZ, NE, NG, OM, PK, PS, QA, SA, SD, SL, SN, SO, SR, SS, SY, TD, TG, TJ, TM, TN, TR, UG, UZ, YE

GCC (FTA 1981): AE, BH, KW, OM, QA, SA

Abraham Accord Declarations (FTA 2020): AE, BH, MA

The last time the Arab League called an "emergency meeting" was 21 Oct, "Cairo Peace Summit". (Reuters had some trouble identifying who would attend. Cross-reference turned up 24, of which 8 Arab League members). On 26 Oct, AE, BH, EG, JO, KW, MA, OM, QA, and SA published a joint statement reiterating one political solution to this year's Israeli-Palestinian conflict

Emphasising that the absence of a political solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has led to repeated acts of violence and suffering for the Palestinian and Israeli people and the people of the region in general, stressing the importance of the international community, especially the Security Council, to assume their responsibilities in order to achieve peace in the Middle East, calling for genuine collective efforts to resolve the conflict through the implementation of the two-state solution on the basis of the relevant United Nations resolutions, ensuring the establishment of an independent, sovereign and viable Palestinian state with contiguous territory, on the pre-June 4, 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

Then what happened? Qatar called the UN for the 10th Emergency Special Session of the UNGA. Then what happened? A/RES/ES-10/21, and MA and now BH are unwinding their Abraham Accord Declarations; according to jpost, despite NEW! US OFAC sanctions, UAE is hanging on to "open lines of communication".

Blinken is moving about ahead of those dates.
Blinken is in Jordan gumming the US, EU agenda to guarantee the unconditional surrender of Palestinians (Hamas' "infrastructure of violence") and installing regional "multinational forces" to rule Gaza's rubble and the Palestinian Authority. "Palestinian Authority+" is the brain fart of notable Israel policy experts Sir Lawrence Freeman and Shlomo Ben-Ami.

Here is a portrait of Blinken in a container in a US cargo plane before take off to Jordan. In a statement

Jordanian [JO] Foreign Ministry spokesman Sufyan Qudah said: "The Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs and Expatriate Affairs, Ayman Al-Safadi, and the foreign ministers of the United Arab Emirates [AE], the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia [SA], the State of Qatar [QA], and the Arabic Republic of Egypt [EG], and the Secretary of the Executive Committee of Palestine Liberation Organization [PLO] will hold a coordination meeting tomorrow, Saturday, in the context of their efforts aimed at stopping the Israeli war on Gaza and the humanitarian catastrophe it is causing."

The ministers will then hold a joint meeting with Antony Blinken during which they will affirm the Arab [League] position, calling for an immediate cease-fire and the immediate and urgent delivery of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, the spokesman added, emphasizing that the officials will "discuss ways to end this dangerous deterioration that threatens the security of the entire region."...

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 18:14 utc | 53

Urban warfare. Idf loses lots of tanks in this compilation

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/15357

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 4 2023 18:14 utc | 54

There are much worse fates than death. I believe many people in the M.E. (of every denomination) understand this.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 41

In the (daily) avalanche of heart on sleeve virtue signalling here, as always, your post stand out for their calm and sanity. Also and even rarer - their brevity.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Nov 4 2023 18:16 utc | 55

To Karlofi: Cuba Embargo.

US economic terrorism has cost Cuba over $1 trillion ($1,000,000,000,000) over the years. This represents over $100,000 per person. The very real hardship and poverty this causes ordinary Cubans is exploited by the snidey turds and low life hack stenographers who infest the BBC, Guardian, Telegraph, etc. as a source of propaganda, and is a source of much mirth and glee for them.

Of course this is distinct from the actual US terrorism of invading the country, blowing up Cuban airliners full of children, planting bombs in tourist hotels, and murdering over 3,000 Cubans, together with over 600 attempts by our ever active CIA to murder Castro. If at first you don't succeed, try, try, try again.

Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 18:19 utc | 56

Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27
*** French senators propose bill to make Zionism criticism a criminal offence ***

How do such censorial agents of a foreign power get themelves elected at all?

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 4 2023 18:22 utc | 57

Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 4 2023 18:06 utc | 50
***Jewish people believe there's only one God ***

Used to think that was accurate, but since read sufficient to raise considerable doubts.

As for their alleged "covenant" -- self-serving allegation is all it can possibly be, since where's the original documents *with God's verifed signature* on them?

And don't any NATO/US fans try to disagree ... remember what NATO said to Russia about NATO's (massively broken) promises not to expand?

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 4 2023 18:31 utc | 58

Zionist military base in Jel-elalam is now clean. Hezbollah did the cleaning job.
http://fna.ir/3fwyr1

Rumours about the presence of another prominent person in the "Operation Room" seems now confirmed. The clock is ticking ...

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 4 2023 18:32 utc | 59

…… Urban warfare. Idf loses lots of tanks in this compilation
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/15357
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 4 2023 18:14 utc | 54…..

Indeed - every indication suggests IDF is getting mercilessly pummeled in the ground fighting. That’s why IDF response is Blind Rage attacks against women and children

Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 18:33 utc | 60

I cannot help thinking that if the world became (even) more religious, there wont be music or literature anymore.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 17:40 utc | 46

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I can't speak for Judaism (my own lack of knowledge, have had very little interest in an almost hermetically closed religion). Christianity and Islam have produced a lot of great literature and science.

As a reformed musician (decades before becoming religious) I don't believe music is necessary or helpful. It's no great loss when you can substitute reading and prayer in its place, both of which elevate the mind and spirit without that energetic response. Music can be seen as weird once you step outside and observe it along with the corresponding physical behaviors that usually accompany it. Are humans meant to shake their bodies and gesticulate, often for an audience?

But then, as I have aged, I have become less and less interested in "flow states". They seem unnatural and seem to work against being both present and intentional.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 18:49 utc | 61

How do such censorial agents of a foreign power get themelves elected at all?

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 4 2023 18:22 utc | 57

It's called democracy. 🤣

Posted by: KingCobra | Nov 4 2023 18:53 utc | 62

The deviance of political Judaism. AKA Zionism

Courtesy of Shahid Bolson via Middle Nation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 18:55 utc | 63

Laura Roslyn @ 7 — Brian Berletic is making a very extraordinary claim in his discussion of Hamas history. Maybe others have said that Israel put up Hamas to the Oct 7 job but with such detail, supporting data.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 4 2023 18:56 utc | 64

I have sometimes seen Zionism described in these page as messianic. Is that not a misuse of the term? Is it not rather the opposite, that Zionism wants to establish Eretz Israel today in the here-and-now without waiting for the Messiah? In this sense to be messianic is conducive to peace, it is a form of restraint. Conservative Jews recognize the haste and see it as a blasphemy.

Maybe we could say, Yes messianic but needing a catalyst such as the rebuilding of the Temple. Perhaps someone with more Jewish lore can answer this question.

Posted by: hicrhodus | Nov 4 2023 18:57 utc | 65

I meant “but not with …”

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 4 2023 18:58 utc | 66

The government of Israel (like the US Republicans) is constituted by messianics. Messianism isn't the epitome of rationality and predictability if sincerely held. Such governments and power centers are more prone to mendacity and conspiracizing, not less, because of their theory (hardly less so, even if pretextually or cynically held—a conspiracy in itself) of divine license to bring about prophetic messianism, usually involving great wars and uncountable levels of human suffering, conveniently justified and anti-empathically neutralized by the aforesaid claims to divine license and providential 'will.' In this case, the providential will is evidently to destroy Palestinians' presence in Gaza and absorb the 'divinely promised' land thereafter posthaste into Israel.

Posted by: Ludo | Nov 4 2023 18:59 utc | 67

@D J G | Nov 4 2023 17:48 utc | 47

Why? Russia loves Israel and is also an occupied country, not exactly in the position to demand things. Actually they demand the release of prisoners but fail to explain why were they captured. Kim was right, "everybody must prepare", no one else will move a finger. Gaza killings are such a "success" and the number of countries that approve or ignore it so large, bibibiden will quickly move to next victim. I'm sure Borel, Ursula and Macaron plan to join the expedition for resources

Posted by: rk | Nov 4 2023 19:04 utc | 68

I cannot help thinking that if the world became (even) more religious, there wont be music or literature anymore.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 17:40 utc | 46

With only a fraction of it surviving,Greek literature is among the greatest. It is deeply religious for the most part. So too most Roman writing both before and after Christianity.
Music...religion is the wellspring for over a thousand years of the greatest, most profoundly moving and beautiful music. The Great Haydn masses! His Creation oratorio! Mozart, Beethoven,right through to the deeply religious symphonies of Bruckner. What a very weird statement which goes against a body of material as vast as any corpus of creation in history.

Posted by: Robert E.Smith | Nov 4 2023 19:05 utc | 69

Another correction re 7 — commenter’s last name is Roslin. Must start typing more slowly.

Posted by: Pundita | Nov 4 2023 19:07 utc | 70

Gaza is the functional equivalent of the assassination of the Archduke.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Nov 4 2023 19:12 utc | 71

Is there a "Tell" (poker term) as to what the "big boys" are going to do? I think the "Tell" is the price of oil--$81 for WTI, today. So, I suspect Israel will get away with it, at least today. However, if the oil price goes way up, then the situation is out of control and big things will be expected to happen. It looks like the Palestinians are being sacrificed, at least since this broke out on October 7th.

Posted by: House Wulf | Nov 4 2023 19:15 utc | 72

Watch lsraeli airstrikes destroy al-Azhar University in Gaza Strip

The US enables the Israeli ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people.
The US is fully complicit and will be held accountable.

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 4 2023 19:20 utc | 73

Over the past month, anyone who still harboured any doubts about the Zionist stranglehold over the US and its western satellites, and the Shabbos puppets who are their nominal rulers, should have had those doubts well and truly laid to rest as the said Shabbos queued up to fall on their knees and grovel before Nuttyyahoo, AIPAC, and their Zionist masters and paymasters, breaking new records in grovelling and pandering. Not a very edifying spectacle. But then again it never is.

Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 19:23 utc | 74

Hankster | Nov 4 2023 18:14 utc | 54

I saw some numbers before of IDF tanks lost, both on the Lebanese border and on the Gaza front.

Getting up toward Ukraine rate of attrition when it comes to tanks.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 19:25 utc | 75

Watch lsraeli airstrikes destroy al-Azhar University in Gaza Strip.

MoA deletes the link to Twitter, I cannot post it.
MoA also deletes the link to Zero Hedge story "Watch: Massive Airstrikes Level Large University In Gaza"

Rather frustrating to find this level of censorship on MoA.


The US enables the Israelis and if fully complicit in this war crime of ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 4 2023 19:26 utc | 76

typo, I meant to write:
The US enables the Israelis and IS fully complicit in this war crime of ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Posted by: Perimetr | Nov 4 2023 19:27 utc | 77

@ Richard L | Nov 4 2023 14:06 utc | 4

I wish I could agree that Canada is complicit only by silence. But it's worse. Canada is complicit by rhetoric that supports Israel's criminal genocide. And Canada is complicit by a craven voting record in the UN.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Nov 4 2023 19:31 utc | 78

Bevin@15

The Canadian parliament is rife with milquetoast politicians more concerned with keeping their donors happy than taking any principled stand on anything. Once Israel has taken care of the Palestinian “problem” The Canadian parliamentarians will lose no time in shedding crocodilian tears over the millions of dead or displaced Gazians. After a few years will we see Canada “honouring” the noble Palestinian spirit and accord them a place standing next to an aboriginal chief in full regalia on Remembrance Day?

Posted by: krypton | Nov 4 2023 19:31 utc | 79

RE: by: pq | Nov 4 2023 18:12 utc | 52

“Seems to me Arabs genuinely furious. “

How’d you come to that conclusion?
Seems the Arab 5 plus US Blinken agreed on the “Hamas must go” mantra, ceasefire or humanitarian aid was foo-fooed by Blinken and Arab “leaders” went back to their corners as told.

They’re hardly “angry”. Just PR nonsense for their populas.
The U.S. has the Arab world under heel, and it will stay that way until the money runs out.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 4 2023 19:40 utc | 80

fyi

I for one hadn't heard anything about the 6,000 US troops on the ground in Israel; has anyone else or got info on that?
btw, one of these huge aircraft carriers in the Med, like Gerald Ford, has around 5,000+ sailors, I believe


https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2023/11/03/blinken-goes-begging/

"....No, the U.S. is doing the exact opposite: making the Israeli war its own by sending not only naval task forces to the Eastern Mediterranean to ensure air dominance and effective anti-missile protection for U.S. assets in the region while Israel plays at arson but also boots on the ground. It is rumored that the U.S. has already delivered 6,000 men at arms to Israel. The only thing missing in all this is an American strategy, a clearly defined end objective that can be explained to the American electorate and negotiated to successful conclusion with all sides, Israel included. If this sounds like a compounded version of the ongoing military and political shambles of U.S. policy on Ukraine, it is because the same authors in Washington have written both scripts."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 4 2023 19:43 utc | 81

"There is no concealing the fact that the massed naval forces, militaries, countries are EXACTLY the same as the ones who have been conquering and crusading and colonising over the centuries as well individual nation states and now as the collective waste King Rat!

That flag of a invented nation that marked the high water mark of the old Roman Empire is now being repeated as the end of the Holy Roman Empire that succeeded it and brutalised the world as much as connecting it. Enriching a minority and attempting to enslave the majority."
DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 34

When I started looking into geo-politics after MH17, a lot of comments at various blogs would scream 'its the bankers, its the bankers', or else 'its the joos, its the joos' and other tin foil hat stuff. All that never made much sense to me.

I looked at the hereditary hatreds of the so called political class in the west, it was also obvious there was a deep state that was wider than any one nation. That seems to be centered on the five-eyes group (ECHELON). But when I looked up Westphalia due to Kissinger speaking about it a number of times, a lot started coming together.

This change of era we are seeing may well be larger than just the post WWII era, lager than the 500 years of European (Westphalian) dominance, but the far older Holy Roman Empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 19:49 utc | 82

cannot help thinking that if the world became (even) more religious, there wont be music or literature anymore.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 17:40 utc | 46

____

I’ll stick with music and literature, thank you very much.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 19:49 utc | 83

@ Trubind1 | Nov 4 2023 19:40 utc | 81

The Arabs are genuinely furious. This has their US toady satrap leaders scared shitless.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 19:52 utc | 84

michaelj72 | Nov 4 2023 19:43 utc | 82

The numbers I have heard is about 2000 special forces in Israel and six thousand would account for the total numbers moved into the region (spread among various bases).

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 19:53 utc | 85

South Front has lots of videos up from the Gaza war.

At some point soon the content of those videos will have to be acknowleged.

While the IDF is busy blowing up women and children, hospitals & ambulances; Hamas is blowing up tanks and APCs.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2023 19:57 utc | 86

Strange how this country works, isn't it?
Over many years, hundreds of thousands of British teenage girls have been raped and pimped by moslem grooming gangs in every town across the length and breadth of the country. Yet on the very few occasions when what passes for a police force here does take any action (normally they are too busy joining in gay parades),and a rapist is convicted, they cannot be deported at the end of their sentence - because that would infringe their "human rights."
But immigrants and asylum seekers have just been put on notice by Braverman - protest about thousands of children being slaughtered in Gaza, wave a Palestinian flag, and you face immediate deportation, your feet won't touch the ground.
The lesson is clear - raping and pimping teenage British girls is perfectly okay, but don't, whatever you do, do or say anything "mean" about Jews. Any Jew declares themselves to have been "offended" or "had their feelings hurt", and you're for the high jump, Mohammed, so watch it.
The tinpot commissioner of the Metropolitan Police has just warned that there will be a zero tolerance approach to anyone demonstrating about Gaza or waving Palestinian flags. They intervened immediately to stop an Israeli flag being burned. Yet when BLM was rampaging across the country tearing down statues, they stood by and watched without lifting a finger, because people are "entitled to their views" and they are "entitled to protest."
Voltaire is supposed to have said, show me who you are not allowed to criticise and I will show you who rules over you.

Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 20:12 utc | 87

If you find this Ritter essay "The US and Hezbollah want the same thing from Israel-Hamas war", and cannot find any analytical remarks regarding ME political structures or a word for the Arab League, of which Lebanon (LB), stop reading before you run into "horizontal escalation". This the oxymoron around which he spins his poorly disguised belief in predictably irrational "Arab" passion represented by Hezbollah, Lebanon's first and only defense against further predation fomented by wims of potentates of the European persuasion. He might have read but neither comprehends nor affirms the order of priorities and processes addressed by Nasrallah and allied states to achieve their political political solution which is absolutely opposed by Israel and its "guarantors".

Ritter is no diplomat, although he accidentally once admitted,

I think, if we're going to condemn the United States for violating international law through invasion of Ukraine, uh, Iraq, we have to be considered. It doesn't mean that Russia's evil—it doesn't mean anything. It just means that international law doesn't know how to deal with an institution like NATO. I mean, NATO exists outside the framework of the United Nations charter. NATO exists outside the framework of international law.
But it's kind of annoying to see him still struggling to fit "Arab" independence into that old world order shoe.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 20:21 utc | 88

anon | Nov 4 2023 20:12 utc | 88

This change of era in the west has become a combination of the crusades, and the dark ages.

"The Dark Ages is a term for the Early Middle Ages or occasionally the entire Middle Ages, in Western Europe after the fall of the Western Roman Empire that characterizes it as marked by economic, intellectual, and cultural decline."

The empire of lies and the Holy Roman Empire have not yet fallen only on the verge at this point, but the west is certainly once again living in the dark ages.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 20:22 utc | 89

Anon @ 88
Oh you fell for all that media propaganda did you. Yeah an then you went right wing. right ? ha ha you been played dude.
Bet you even voted tory.

And here we are. Congratulations, not.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 4 2023 20:26 utc | 90

sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 20:21 utc | 89

Ritter has become one of the better analysts of current geo-politics and they are few. In this conflict he is very good as he worked with top level Israeli security for a number of years in a professional capacity.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 20:28 utc | 91

Regrettably Israel views the situation that has developed as existential, it clearly is, even though they have largely contributed to this very outcome. The leaders of Hamas have expressed an intent to exterminate the Jews, in effect both sides are now locked in fight to the finish. In reading much of 5he commentary here I am not sure the full import of what this means has sunk in. If Israel is brought to the brink then the Middle East will face levels of catastrophe that will do more than lead to the death of millions, it will end life as it now is, that is what nuclear weapons will achieve. Hamas may have gained substantial emotive support from the world, but this has, ironically increased the dangers.

Posted by: Barry Sheridan | Nov 4 2023 20:28 utc | 92

"Watch lsraeli airstrikes destroy al-Azhar University in Gaza Strip.

MoA deletes the link to Twitter, I cannot post it.
MoA also deletes the link to Zero Hedge story "Watch: Massive Airstrikes Level Large University In Gaza"

Rather frustrating to find this level of censorship on MoA."


https://t.me/myLordBebo/12180?single

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 20:30 utc | 93

Barry Sheridan | Nov 4 2023 20:28 utc | 93

It is the political entity known as Israel currently occupying Palestinian land that is being fought. Iran, the most resolute country in destroying that entity, of driving it into the sea, has Jewish enclaves that live in safety.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 20:34 utc | 94

Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 20:30 utc | 94

b is walking a razors edge. Germany has a lot of laws against any who do not conform with western narratives.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 20:37 utc | 95

https://www.ralphnaderradiohour.com/p/a-genocide-tax#details

Ralph Nader interview with Craig Mokhiber, who recently resigned his post as the director in the New York Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights for the United Nations over the UN response to the bombing of Gaza. Plus Medea Benjamin.

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 4 2023 20:41 utc | 96

@Peter AU1

I'm German. Posting this vid doesn't violate any German laws. Well, not yet.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 20:43 utc | 97

Back from a protest march.
Bristol.
Probably 50,000.
Took over the center of bristol.

Police wanted nothing to do with it.
Sympathtic.
Dispite on the news saying they were 'going to crack down'

Same allround the country.
All 3 political partys plus media are now way out on a limb over Gaza.
But were are you going to hear that ?
Disenfranchisd, no agency no liecence.
Its a 'twofa' this week with out rage over virus tory debacale.
Babalon fall.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 4 2023 20:50 utc | 98

The leaders of Hamas have expressed an intent to exterminate the Jews, in effect both sides are now locked in fight to the finish.

Posted by: Barry Sheridan | Nov 4 2023 20:28 utc | 93

I would disagree. Hamas in 2017 presented a document saying they would accept a two state solution based on 1967 borders. Israel snubbed it before it was even released. Two state is a game that has been played by Israel. Remember that Hamas was even ready to take Israel to the ICC in 2014 for war crimes---exposing itself in the process---but it was Israel that disagreed. Israel is never going to give up anything it's taken.

If anything it is the other way around. Whatever threat Israel is facing, it's not from a bunch of guys in tunnels. The threat to Israel is that it's a state founded on violence and it needs a huge amount of financial support to keep that violence going. Its eyes are bigger than its stomach.
Israel was crying about existential threats even before Hamas existed.

It is Israel that seeks to exterminate others by exterminating their rights.

How long can an aggressively violent, supremacist expansionist settler colonialism apartheid state last?

The Knesset (Israel’s parliament) passed the Basic Law on July 19, 2018. The Basic Law recognizes that “the right to national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish People.”

Posted by: pq | Nov 4 2023 20:50 utc | 99

Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 20:43 utc | 98

Thanks. I have had trouble or not been able to post some what I thought were repetitively safe links. Could be platform or country censorship. As far as I'm aware b does not have time to read and moderate or censor posts.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 20:51 utc | 100

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