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November 4, 2023
Palestine Open Thread 2023-259

Only for news & views directly related to the war in Palestine.

The current open thread for other issues is here.

Please stick to the topic. Contribute facts. Do not attack other commentators.

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The bar is split between those that believe the Gaza conflict is a long haul conflict
and those that believe the world tight-ropes the abyss.

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 13:35 utc | 1

The bar is split between those that believe the Gaza conflict is a long haul conflict
and those that believe the world tight-ropes the abyss.

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 13:35 utc | 2

librul@1…..how long is the rope?
Cheers M
Gaza btw……75 years plus, not long enough?

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 4 2023 13:40 utc | 3

librul@1…..how long is the rope?
Cheers M
Gaza btw……75 years plus, not long enough?

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 4 2023 13:40 utc | 4

I think the significance of Gaza in the West is the waking up of many who were blind to the Empire’s cruelty and evil. Especially the young see the images of children shattered and are questioning the lies they have been fed all their lives. Whether Gaza is the flurry of falling rocks that precipitates an avalanche of change I do not know.
Obviously for Palestinians it is a fight for their lives and their freedom.
The rest of the world is clueing in more and more to the need to break free from the rotting colonialist bloc.
I am so thankful for this blog. It is a welcome oasis of sanity (despite the trolls) in a desert of propaganda and misinformation.

Posted by: mtw | Nov 4 2023 13:46 utc | 5

I think the significance of Gaza in the West is the waking up of many who were blind to the Empire’s cruelty and evil. Especially the young see the images of children shattered and are questioning the lies they have been fed all their lives. Whether Gaza is the flurry of falling rocks that precipitates an avalanche of change I do not know.
Obviously for Palestinians it is a fight for their lives and their freedom.
The rest of the world is clueing in more and more to the need to break free from the rotting colonialist bloc.
I am so thankful for this blog. It is a welcome oasis of sanity (despite the trolls) in a desert of propaganda and misinformation.

Posted by: mtw | Nov 4 2023 13:46 utc | 6

@1 Just look at a map of the Israeli and settlers controlled areas and you will find out there isn’t much surface area left for the Palestinians to live in for the next 75 years. This topic is not a matter of rhetoric at this point but rather an action item. My own country, Canada, by its silence, is complicit to the genocidal actions of Israel.

Posted by: Richard L | Nov 4 2023 14:06 utc | 7

@1 Just look at a map of the Israeli and settlers controlled areas and you will find out there isn’t much surface area left for the Palestinians to live in for the next 75 years. This topic is not a matter of rhetoric at this point but rather an action item. My own country, Canada, by its silence, is complicit to the genocidal actions of Israel.

Posted by: Richard L | Nov 4 2023 14:06 utc | 8

b had provided an early, “hot off the press”, version of Nasrallah’s speech.
Here is a newer version:
https://www.sott.net/article/485683-Hezbollah-Secretary-General-Hassan-Nasrallahs-Speech-on-War-in-Palestine-Full-Transcript

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 14:12 utc | 9

b had provided an early, “hot off the press”, version of Nasrallah’s speech.
Here is a newer version:
https://www.sott.net/article/485683-Hezbollah-Secretary-General-Hassan-Nasrallahs-Speech-on-War-in-Palestine-Full-Transcript

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 14:12 utc | 10

STRATEGIC CULTURE
The world is witnessing an age of cruel depravity that is on par with the barbarity of Nazi Germany. Sickeningly, the Israeli regime carrying out these war crimes has the temerity to invoke the memory of the Nazi Holocaust as an excuse for its actions. Decent Jews and Holocaust survivors around the world are indignant and ashamed of the repugnant posturing of Israeli envoys wearing yellow stars on their suits at the UN.
The diabolical double-think is made possible by the political and diplomatic indulgence afforded by Western states.
There is no other way to view the mass killings as anything other than genocide. The head of the UN’s human rights office, Craig Mokhiber, this week resigned in disgust over the continuing genocide that he said the United States and the European Union were complicit in.
The wanton disregard for international law by the Israeli regime is shocking. This week saw the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza bombed on three consecutive days killing hundreds of civilians. According to the UN, more than 70 per cent of fatalities in Gaza are women and children.

Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:22 utc | 11

STRATEGIC CULTURE
The world is witnessing an age of cruel depravity that is on par with the barbarity of Nazi Germany. Sickeningly, the Israeli regime carrying out these war crimes has the temerity to invoke the memory of the Nazi Holocaust as an excuse for its actions. Decent Jews and Holocaust survivors around the world are indignant and ashamed of the repugnant posturing of Israeli envoys wearing yellow stars on their suits at the UN.
The diabolical double-think is made possible by the political and diplomatic indulgence afforded by Western states.
There is no other way to view the mass killings as anything other than genocide. The head of the UN’s human rights office, Craig Mokhiber, this week resigned in disgust over the continuing genocide that he said the United States and the European Union were complicit in.
The wanton disregard for international law by the Israeli regime is shocking. This week saw the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza bombed on three consecutive days killing hundreds of civilians. According to the UN, more than 70 per cent of fatalities in Gaza are women and children.

Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:22 utc | 12

Brian Berletic has some great analysis on the whole Gaza Palestine Genocide and Hamas.
Israel Encircles Gaza City + A Closer Look at Hamas Past/Present
He says:

– Israel is not responding to the October 7 Hamas raids in a bid to eradicate the organization, but rather using Hamas as a pretext to eradicate Palestinians from northern Gaza;

– Rather than the October 7 raids being “blowback” regarding this policy, it presents the perfect pretext to not only delay negotiations for a two-state solution, but to eliminate its possibility altogether by eliminating Gaza itself;

Posted by: Laura Roslin | Nov 4 2023 14:28 utc | 13

Brian Berletic has some great analysis on the whole Gaza Palestine Genocide and Hamas.
Israel Encircles Gaza City + A Closer Look at Hamas Past/Present
He says:

– Israel is not responding to the October 7 Hamas raids in a bid to eradicate the organization, but rather using Hamas as a pretext to eradicate Palestinians from northern Gaza;

– Rather than the October 7 raids being “blowback” regarding this policy, it presents the perfect pretext to not only delay negotiations for a two-state solution, but to eliminate its possibility altogether by eliminating Gaza itself;

Posted by: Laura Roslin | Nov 4 2023 14:28 utc | 14

Naked Capitalism article analysing the speech
b’s article was discussed
further enlightenment
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/11/nasrallahs-speech-confirms-that-mad-has-been-reached-between-israel-us-the-resistance-axis.html

Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:36 utc | 15

Naked Capitalism article analysing the speech
b’s article was discussed
further enlightenment
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/11/nasrallahs-speech-confirms-that-mad-has-been-reached-between-israel-us-the-resistance-axis.html

Posted by: ld | Nov 4 2023 14:36 utc | 16

There hasn’t been nearly enough bloodshed yet to keep our bloodthirsty Zionist friends happy. They won’t be satisfied until they’ve killed the last Palestinian child. As government minister Shaked said, all Palestinian children have to be killed and all Palestinian mothers have to be killed so no Palestinian children can be born. Charming people, our Zionist chums.

Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 14:39 utc | 17

There hasn’t been nearly enough bloodshed yet to keep our bloodthirsty Zionist friends happy. They won’t be satisfied until they’ve killed the last Palestinian child. As government minister Shaked said, all Palestinian children have to be killed and all Palestinian mothers have to be killed so no Palestinian children can be born. Charming people, our Zionist chums.

Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 14:39 utc | 18

The wanton disregard for international law by the Israeli regime is shocking. This week saw the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza bombed on three consecutive days killing hundreds of civilians. According to the UN, more than 70 per cent of fatalities in Gaza are women and children., ld 5
Like Russian Federation went for clearing the massive dirt, an immaginmable dirt of the western dillusions
about their socalled garden, in the stinking west.
i am living here in the little colony, we are maybe supressed, but not enough.
About Gaza it is the openess of the uglyeness of the so called west ( will prostitute for the resources they do not have, will sell out). And kill.
For me, it is very revealing that EU is entering the fashist times

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:40 utc | 19

The wanton disregard for international law by the Israeli regime is shocking. This week saw the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza bombed on three consecutive days killing hundreds of civilians. According to the UN, more than 70 per cent of fatalities in Gaza are women and children., ld 5
Like Russian Federation went for clearing the massive dirt, an immaginmable dirt of the western dillusions
about their socalled garden, in the stinking west.
i am living here in the little colony, we are maybe supressed, but not enough.
About Gaza it is the openess of the uglyeness of the so called west ( will prostitute for the resources they do not have, will sell out). And kill.
For me, it is very revealing that EU is entering the fashist times

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:40 utc | 20

Charming people, our Zionist chums.
Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 14:39 utc | 8
Barking mad, and proud of it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 21

Charming people, our Zionist chums.
Posted by: anon | Nov 4 2023 14:39 utc | 8
Barking mad, and proud of it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 22

As’ad Abu Khalil-aka the Angry Arab- has his lengthy interretation of the meaning of Hassan Nasrallah’s speech.
“Nasrallah is an expert on Israel; he spends hours reading about Israel and its politics and military…”
(The same can be said of As’ad. A professor at the once internationally renowned University of California)
“…Nasrallah does not operate in a vacuum. There is a very complex context in which he does. In the Arab world, the Western-Gulf alliance has spent billions to demonize Nasrallah and to undermine his standing in the Arab and Muslim worlds; and his standing reached new heights in the wake of the 2006 war with Israel.
“Hizbullah’s involvement in Syria, and the circulation of slogans that were sectarian and religious in nature, aided the Gulf regimes’ campaign against Nasrallah and the party, portraying them as purely Shiite and merely puppets of Iran. The Gulf’s mission was to push the party into a sectarian corner, and the party — through its political behavior in Lebanon — unintentionally aided that mission.
“Since the Lebanese economic collapse in 2019, Hizbullah has pursued political options focusing on solidifying Shiite political ranks. This is only understandable from the perspective of the party protecting itself from a Gulf-Israel plot to instigate a Shiite, intra-sectarian, civil war.
“Thus it’s not easy to assess the speech with disregard to the political context in which it took place. Nasrallah was addressing many audiences: the party’s rank-and-file, the Lebanese scene, the Arab scene, and his enemies in the West and Israel…..
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/04/asad-abukhalil-nasrallah-the-future-of-the-war/

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 23

As’ad Abu Khalil-aka the Angry Arab- has his lengthy interretation of the meaning of Hassan Nasrallah’s speech.
“Nasrallah is an expert on Israel; he spends hours reading about Israel and its politics and military…”
(The same can be said of As’ad. A professor at the once internationally renowned University of California)
“…Nasrallah does not operate in a vacuum. There is a very complex context in which he does. In the Arab world, the Western-Gulf alliance has spent billions to demonize Nasrallah and to undermine his standing in the Arab and Muslim worlds; and his standing reached new heights in the wake of the 2006 war with Israel.
“Hizbullah’s involvement in Syria, and the circulation of slogans that were sectarian and religious in nature, aided the Gulf regimes’ campaign against Nasrallah and the party, portraying them as purely Shiite and merely puppets of Iran. The Gulf’s mission was to push the party into a sectarian corner, and the party — through its political behavior in Lebanon — unintentionally aided that mission.
“Since the Lebanese economic collapse in 2019, Hizbullah has pursued political options focusing on solidifying Shiite political ranks. This is only understandable from the perspective of the party protecting itself from a Gulf-Israel plot to instigate a Shiite, intra-sectarian, civil war.
“Thus it’s not easy to assess the speech with disregard to the political context in which it took place. Nasrallah was addressing many audiences: the party’s rank-and-file, the Lebanese scene, the Arab scene, and his enemies in the West and Israel…..
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/04/asad-abukhalil-nasrallah-the-future-of-the-war/

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 14:42 utc | 24

I have fallen apart about children in Palestine, and the genocide…
Not for the first time, before it happened in 2017, the pics of child with a sheared brain have stayed with me, I cried on my balcony while my visiting family having enjoyed the holidays, they were embarrased of me. While I was crying.They thought I was crazy woman.
No more, I appreciate the measured response of Nasrallah and hesbollah. I can only appreciate how cold and calculated their hatred and dispite of this so called west is. So is mine.

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 25

I have fallen apart about children in Palestine, and the genocide…
Not for the first time, before it happened in 2017, the pics of child with a sheared brain have stayed with me, I cried on my balcony while my visiting family having enjoyed the holidays, they were embarrased of me. While I was crying.They thought I was crazy woman.
No more, I appreciate the measured response of Nasrallah and hesbollah. I can only appreciate how cold and calculated their hatred and dispite of this so called west is. So is mine.

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 26

What a difference a few months make. Putin has an ICC arrest warrant hanging over his head for taking kids to safety from the war zone. In October in Israel the possibility of deporting 2 million people was floated and still no arrest warrant from the ICC.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 14:57 utc | 27

What a difference a few months make. Putin has an ICC arrest warrant hanging over his head for taking kids to safety from the war zone. In October in Israel the possibility of deporting 2 million people was floated and still no arrest warrant from the ICC.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 14:57 utc | 28

Richard L@3
It’s worse than that. Silence would be much better: at the UN Bob Rae is one of the crassest of the voices braying excuses for genocide to the world.
Yesterday Lavrov, the most diplomatic of men, could hardly prevent himself from laughing at the stupidity exhibited by Canadian government spokesmen allegedly offering Gazans refuge in Canada as part of Israel’s ethnic cleansing.
Ottawa is full of politicians who simply do not understand that there is more to the world than Washington and Tel Aviv tell them.
Surrounded by the most corrupted media in the world you would think that they would be cynical about what they read and hear from it. But they aren’t they actually credit the prostitutes that they reward with objectivity and wisdom.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 15:05 utc | 29

Richard L@3
It’s worse than that. Silence would be much better: at the UN Bob Rae is one of the crassest of the voices braying excuses for genocide to the world.
Yesterday Lavrov, the most diplomatic of men, could hardly prevent himself from laughing at the stupidity exhibited by Canadian government spokesmen allegedly offering Gazans refuge in Canada as part of Israel’s ethnic cleansing.
Ottawa is full of politicians who simply do not understand that there is more to the world than Washington and Tel Aviv tell them.
Surrounded by the most corrupted media in the world you would think that they would be cynical about what they read and hear from it. But they aren’t they actually credit the prostitutes that they reward with objectivity and wisdom.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 15:05 utc | 30

Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide?
If Israel can’t force every Gazan into Egypt, then Israel is stuck with millions of Palestinians in Gaza. Israel’s ethnic cleansing campaign would be a failure.
If it can’t force exile, Israel’s racist leadership would choose genocide.
Killing up to 1,000 Palestinians a day in Gaza is not quick enough for genocide. Even if the war lasts a year without ceasefire, which is hard to imagine.
As the US increases pressure for a ceasefire, Israel will see its time to act shortened.
1. Israel has no compunction about ‘going rogue’ against US directives
2. Israel is blind to world opinion
3. Israel has no qualms about genocide
It will find a provocation: a missile attack, an “existential treat,” but the nukes will be used in Gaza, not Lebanon.
When Israel does this, it will cite Hiroshima and Nagasaki as precedent.
Tzipi Hotovely compared Israel’s bombing of Gaza to US bombings of Mosul and Dresden (https://www.mediaite.com/uk/israeli-official-evokes-dresden/). The NY Times reported unnamed officials “referred to how the United States … resorted to … dropping of the two atomic warheads in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”
The US will officially condemn such a move, say that WWII was different, but US will be complicit nonetheless.
It would not change US policy, as it continues to turn Israel into a special kind of US military base.

Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 31

Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide?
If Israel can’t force every Gazan into Egypt, then Israel is stuck with millions of Palestinians in Gaza. Israel’s ethnic cleansing campaign would be a failure.
If it can’t force exile, Israel’s racist leadership would choose genocide.
Killing up to 1,000 Palestinians a day in Gaza is not quick enough for genocide. Even if the war lasts a year without ceasefire, which is hard to imagine.
As the US increases pressure for a ceasefire, Israel will see its time to act shortened.
1. Israel has no compunction about ‘going rogue’ against US directives
2. Israel is blind to world opinion
3. Israel has no qualms about genocide
It will find a provocation: a missile attack, an “existential treat,” but the nukes will be used in Gaza, not Lebanon.
When Israel does this, it will cite Hiroshima and Nagasaki as precedent.
Tzipi Hotovely compared Israel’s bombing of Gaza to US bombings of Mosul and Dresden (https://www.mediaite.com/uk/israeli-official-evokes-dresden/). The NY Times reported unnamed officials “referred to how the United States … resorted to … dropping of the two atomic warheads in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”
The US will officially condemn such a move, say that WWII was different, but US will be complicit nonetheless.
It would not change US policy, as it continues to turn Israel into a special kind of US military base.

Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 32

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 12
The best advice I can offer is just don’t look at the pictures.
Deal with it at an intellectual level, or you’ll go mad.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 15:16 utc | 33

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 14:52 utc | 12
The best advice I can offer is just don’t look at the pictures.
Deal with it at an intellectual level, or you’ll go mad.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 15:16 utc | 34

@ID number 5
Well said, very well said, we need to comment in the clearest most vigorous language to characterize this bestiality cloaked in self-righteousness. This you have done.

Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 35

@ID number 5
Well said, very well said, we need to comment in the clearest most vigorous language to characterize this bestiality cloaked in self-righteousness. This you have done.

Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 36

@ ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 15
I’m sure we can all agree that the Zioterrorist entity is not above using nukes or exterminating the Gazan population. Still, I doubt it is both stupid and insane enough to risk dealing with nuclear fallout when the current strategy of murder, starvation, dehydration, and disease would accomplish the same result.
Granted, the current method takes longer, but it isn’t as if those offshore rigs and pipelines were already built and functional.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 37

@ ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 15
I’m sure we can all agree that the Zioterrorist entity is not above using nukes or exterminating the Gazan population. Still, I doubt it is both stupid and insane enough to risk dealing with nuclear fallout when the current strategy of murder, starvation, dehydration, and disease would accomplish the same result.
Granted, the current method takes longer, but it isn’t as if those offshore rigs and pipelines were already built and functional.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 38

@Stranger no.12
stay, stay, with your humanity, your warmth. You are not crazy. The world, much of the world, I hope most of the world, is in horror at this terrible duplicity of intention to murder infants.

Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:31 utc | 39

@Stranger no.12
stay, stay, with your humanity, your warmth. You are not crazy. The world, much of the world, I hope most of the world, is in horror at this terrible duplicity of intention to murder infants.

Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 15:31 utc | 40

@16 Arch
Too late, and I appreciate your offerings, your postings are clever and I identify with them, thank you.
I have already gone mad.Intellectual level? Cold hearted it is, and I am not a prostitute for the internet porn.I do not watch.
As i thougt about ukraine situ, so the players in this disaster are learning from russians, trap the idiotical bustards.
After all, just spring the trap for the bastards. The price is too much for me, as I really cry every day.
But I trust Rf and people who understand what is going on, like you ( karloff etc…)
Still, I am so devastated.
My favourite poet:
our eyes are two palm tree forests in early light,
Or two balconies from which the moonlight recedes
When they smile, your eyes, the vines put forth their leaves,
And lights dance . . . like moons in a river
Rippled by the blade of an oar at break of day;
As if stars were throbbing in the depths of them . . .
And they drown in a mist of sorrow translucent
Like the sea stroked by the hand of nightfall;
The warmth of winter is in it, the shudder of autumn,
And death and birth, darkness and light;
A sobbing flares up to tremble in my soul
And a savage elation embracing the sky,
Frenzy of a child frightened by the moon.
It is as if archways of mist drank the clouds
And drop by drop dissolved in the rain . . .
As if children snickered in the vineyard bowers,
The song of the rain
Rippled the silence of birds in the trees . . .
Drop, drop, the rain
Drip
Dropthe rain
Evening yawned, from low clouds
Heavy tears are streaming still.
It is as if a child before sleep were rambling on
About his mother a year ago he went to wake her, did not find her,
Then was told, for he kept on asking,
‘After tomorrow, she’ll come back again . . .
That she must come back again,
Yet his playmates whisper that she is there
In the hillside, sleeping her death for ever,
Eating the earth around her, drinking the rain;
As if a forlorn fisherman gathering nets
Cursed the waters and fate
And scattered a song at moonset,
Drip, drop, the rain
Drip, drop, the rain
Do you know what sorrow the rain can inspire?
Do you know how gutters weep when it pours down?
Do you know how lost a solitary person feels in the rain?
Endless, like spilt blood, like hungry people, like love,
Like children, like the dead, endless the rain.
Your two eyes take me wandering with the rain,
Lightning’s from across the Gulf sweep the shores of Iraq
With stars and shells,
As if a dawn were about to break from them, But night pulls over them a coverlet of blood. I cry out to the Gulf: ‘O Gulf,
Giver of pearls, shells and death!’
And the echo replies,
As if lamenting:
‘O Gulf,
Giver of shells and death .
I can almost hear Iraq husbanding the thunder,
Storing lightning in the mountains and plains,
So that if the seal were broken by men
The winds would leave in the valley not a trace of Thamud.
I can almost hear the palmtrees drinking the rain,
Hear the villages moaning and emigrants
With oar and sail fighting the Gulf
Winds of storm and thunder, singing
‘Rain . . . rain . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
And there is hunger in Iraq,
The harvest time scatters the grain in-it,
That crows and locusts may gobble their fill,
Granaries and stones grind on and on,
Mills turn in the fields, with them men turning . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
Drip
Drop
When came the night for leaving, how many tears we shed,
We made the rain a pretext, not wishing to be blamed
Drip, drop, the rain
Drip, drop, the rain
Since we had been children, the sky
Would be clouded in wintertime,
And down would pour the rain,
And every year when earth turned green the hunger struck us.
Not a year has passed without hunger in Iraq.
Rain . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
Drip, drop . . .
In every drop of rain
A red or yellow color buds from the seeds of flowers.
Every tear wept by the hungry and naked people
And every spilt drop of slaves’ blood
Is a smile aimed at a new dawn,
A nipple turning rosy in an infant’s lips
In the young world of tomorrow, bringer of life.
Drip…..
Drop….. the rain . . .In the rain.
Iraq will blossom one day ‘
I cry out to the Gulf: ‘O Gulf,
Giver of pearls, shells and death!’
The echo replies
As if lamenting:
‘O Gulf,
Giver of shells and death.’
And across the sands from among its lavish gifts
The Gulf scatters fuming froth and shells
And the skeletons of miserable drowned emigrants
Who drank death forever
From the depths of the Gulf, from the ground of its silence,
And in Iraq a thousand serpents drink the nectar
From a flower the Euphrates has nourished with dew.
I hear the echo
Ringing in the Gulf:
‘Rain . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
Drip, drop.’
In every drop of rain
A red or yellow color buds from the seeds of flowers.
Every tear wept by the hungry and naked people
And every spilt drop of slaves’ blood
Is a smile aimed at a new dawn,
A nipple turning rosy in an infant’s lips
In the young world of tomorrow, bringer of life.
And still the rain pours down.

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 41

@16 Arch
Too late, and I appreciate your offerings, your postings are clever and I identify with them, thank you.
I have already gone mad.Intellectual level? Cold hearted it is, and I am not a prostitute for the internet porn.I do not watch.
As i thougt about ukraine situ, so the players in this disaster are learning from russians, trap the idiotical bustards.
After all, just spring the trap for the bastards. The price is too much for me, as I really cry every day.
But I trust Rf and people who understand what is going on, like you ( karloff etc…)
Still, I am so devastated.
My favourite poet:
our eyes are two palm tree forests in early light,
Or two balconies from which the moonlight recedes
When they smile, your eyes, the vines put forth their leaves,
And lights dance . . . like moons in a river
Rippled by the blade of an oar at break of day;
As if stars were throbbing in the depths of them . . .
And they drown in a mist of sorrow translucent
Like the sea stroked by the hand of nightfall;
The warmth of winter is in it, the shudder of autumn,
And death and birth, darkness and light;
A sobbing flares up to tremble in my soul
And a savage elation embracing the sky,
Frenzy of a child frightened by the moon.
It is as if archways of mist drank the clouds
And drop by drop dissolved in the rain . . .
As if children snickered in the vineyard bowers,
The song of the rain
Rippled the silence of birds in the trees . . .
Drop, drop, the rain
Drip
Dropthe rain
Evening yawned, from low clouds
Heavy tears are streaming still.
It is as if a child before sleep were rambling on
About his mother a year ago he went to wake her, did not find her,
Then was told, for he kept on asking,
‘After tomorrow, she’ll come back again . . .
That she must come back again,
Yet his playmates whisper that she is there
In the hillside, sleeping her death for ever,
Eating the earth around her, drinking the rain;
As if a forlorn fisherman gathering nets
Cursed the waters and fate
And scattered a song at moonset,
Drip, drop, the rain
Drip, drop, the rain
Do you know what sorrow the rain can inspire?
Do you know how gutters weep when it pours down?
Do you know how lost a solitary person feels in the rain?
Endless, like spilt blood, like hungry people, like love,
Like children, like the dead, endless the rain.
Your two eyes take me wandering with the rain,
Lightning’s from across the Gulf sweep the shores of Iraq
With stars and shells,
As if a dawn were about to break from them, But night pulls over them a coverlet of blood. I cry out to the Gulf: ‘O Gulf,
Giver of pearls, shells and death!’
And the echo replies,
As if lamenting:
‘O Gulf,
Giver of shells and death .
I can almost hear Iraq husbanding the thunder,
Storing lightning in the mountains and plains,
So that if the seal were broken by men
The winds would leave in the valley not a trace of Thamud.
I can almost hear the palmtrees drinking the rain,
Hear the villages moaning and emigrants
With oar and sail fighting the Gulf
Winds of storm and thunder, singing
‘Rain . . . rain . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
And there is hunger in Iraq,
The harvest time scatters the grain in-it,
That crows and locusts may gobble their fill,
Granaries and stones grind on and on,
Mills turn in the fields, with them men turning . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
Drip
Drop
When came the night for leaving, how many tears we shed,
We made the rain a pretext, not wishing to be blamed
Drip, drop, the rain
Drip, drop, the rain
Since we had been children, the sky
Would be clouded in wintertime,
And down would pour the rain,
And every year when earth turned green the hunger struck us.
Not a year has passed without hunger in Iraq.
Rain . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
Drip, drop . . .
In every drop of rain
A red or yellow color buds from the seeds of flowers.
Every tear wept by the hungry and naked people
And every spilt drop of slaves’ blood
Is a smile aimed at a new dawn,
A nipple turning rosy in an infant’s lips
In the young world of tomorrow, bringer of life.
Drip…..
Drop….. the rain . . .In the rain.
Iraq will blossom one day ‘
I cry out to the Gulf: ‘O Gulf,
Giver of pearls, shells and death!’
The echo replies
As if lamenting:
‘O Gulf,
Giver of shells and death.’
And across the sands from among its lavish gifts
The Gulf scatters fuming froth and shells
And the skeletons of miserable drowned emigrants
Who drank death forever
From the depths of the Gulf, from the ground of its silence,
And in Iraq a thousand serpents drink the nectar
From a flower the Euphrates has nourished with dew.
I hear the echo
Ringing in the Gulf:
‘Rain . . .
Drip, drop, the rain . . .
Drip, drop.’
In every drop of rain
A red or yellow color buds from the seeds of flowers.
Every tear wept by the hungry and naked people
And every spilt drop of slaves’ blood
Is a smile aimed at a new dawn,
A nipple turning rosy in an infant’s lips
In the young world of tomorrow, bringer of life.
And still the rain pours down.

Posted by: stranger | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 42

Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16
What do I know but I don’t think Israel can use nukes in a country that small. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.
The issue now apart from the direct bombing is the lack of medical care and everything else….

Posted by: pq | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 43

Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16
What do I know but I don’t think Israel can use nukes in a country that small. They would be shooting themselves in the foot.
The issue now apart from the direct bombing is the lack of medical care and everything else….

Posted by: pq | Nov 4 2023 15:36 utc | 44

I still say this recent clash between Hamas and Israel may trace its ignition back to Morocco. This press conference at the UN by Omar Hilale from Oct. 30 is important. It’s in French, which I can only semi-translate (without turning to translation-ware for help), but he speaks clearly about terrorism in Morocco and how Morocco follows a legal and judicial process to identify who’s responsible. And Morocco is working with the UN Security Council, something to consider for those who think it serves no constructive purpose. Not quite a smoking gun, but to me, it’s getting there. Not to be crass, but being on another continent may lend itself to more willingness to get things started in the Middle East, if necessary?
https://media.un.org/en/asset/k1m/k1memwkhde
https://www.state.gov/u-s-algeria-strategic-dialogue/
http://diplomatie.ma/en/statement-morocco-welcomes-adoption-un-security-council-resolution-2703

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 4 2023 15:40 utc | 45

I still say this recent clash between Hamas and Israel may trace its ignition back to Morocco. This press conference at the UN by Omar Hilale from Oct. 30 is important. It’s in French, which I can only semi-translate (without turning to translation-ware for help), but he speaks clearly about terrorism in Morocco and how Morocco follows a legal and judicial process to identify who’s responsible. And Morocco is working with the UN Security Council, something to consider for those who think it serves no constructive purpose. Not quite a smoking gun, but to me, it’s getting there. Not to be crass, but being on another continent may lend itself to more willingness to get things started in the Middle East, if necessary?
https://media.un.org/en/asset/k1m/k1memwkhde
https://www.state.gov/u-s-algeria-strategic-dialogue/
http://diplomatie.ma/en/statement-morocco-welcomes-adoption-un-security-council-resolution-2703

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 4 2023 15:40 utc | 46

Re: comment 4 by Librul – Hassan Nassrallah’s speech;
Thanks for sharing. I read through it. It is not a great speech imho, just too long and sprawling.
What I read in this is a guy trying to absolve his group and associated parties of planning and execiting the attack on Oct 7. It is of course flowered up with many repeated references to martyrdom etc, but it seems this is a speech that starts by trying to absolve Hezbollah, Lebanon and Iran of guilt. It is also, it seems to me, a speech that denounces Israel’s and the USA’s actions.
However, I do not see this speech as a declaration of war, or call to action by the resistance in any serious way, which is a bit surprising. A lot hinges on what Israel and US does next. A direct attack on Iran or the Lebanon will ignite serious and combined response targeting Israel and US I feel. Turkey, Egypt, and Iran hold the cards. If things get serious and escalate out of control, China and perhaps Russia enter the fray to contain the crazy Israel/ US dominance plans.

Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 4 2023 15:43 utc | 47

Re: comment 4 by Librul – Hassan Nassrallah’s speech;
Thanks for sharing. I read through it. It is not a great speech imho, just too long and sprawling.
What I read in this is a guy trying to absolve his group and associated parties of planning and execiting the attack on Oct 7. It is of course flowered up with many repeated references to martyrdom etc, but it seems this is a speech that starts by trying to absolve Hezbollah, Lebanon and Iran of guilt. It is also, it seems to me, a speech that denounces Israel’s and the USA’s actions.
However, I do not see this speech as a declaration of war, or call to action by the resistance in any serious way, which is a bit surprising. A lot hinges on what Israel and US does next. A direct attack on Iran or the Lebanon will ignite serious and combined response targeting Israel and US I feel. Turkey, Egypt, and Iran hold the cards. If things get serious and escalate out of control, China and perhaps Russia enter the fray to contain the crazy Israel/ US dominance plans.

Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 4 2023 15:43 utc | 48

call to action by the resistance in any serious way
Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 4 2023 15:43 utc | 24
“any serious way”: Give us an example of serious resistance

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:01 utc | 49

call to action by the resistance in any serious way
Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 4 2023 15:43 utc | 24
“any serious way”: Give us an example of serious resistance

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:01 utc | 50

From MEE:

Israeli settlers mounted an Israeli flag on the minaret of a mosque in the occupied West Bank on Saturday, in the latest example of increased attacks since the war started on 7 October.

That star of David is starting to resemble another flag with a geometric design.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 4 2023 16:03 utc | 51

From MEE:

Israeli settlers mounted an Israeli flag on the minaret of a mosque in the occupied West Bank on Saturday, in the latest example of increased attacks since the war started on 7 October.

That star of David is starting to resemble another flag with a geometric design.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 4 2023 16:03 utc | 52

TVP World: French senators propose bill to make Zionism criticism a criminal offence
➡️ A group consisting of 16 French senators, most of them associated with the political party The Republicans (LR), introduced a bill, led by Senator Stéphane Le Rudulier, aimed at making anti-Zionism a criminal offense. Senator Le Rudulier argues that the rise in anti-Semitism is linked to hatred of Israel.
➡️ The proposed bill, which was submitted for a first reading in the Senate, includes penalties for various offenses related to anti-Zionism. It seeks to punish those who deny the existence of the State of Israel with one year of imprisonment and a fine of EUR 45,000.
➡️ Those who insult the State of Israel would face two years imprisonment and a fine of EUR 75,000, and those who directly provoke hatred or violence against the State of Israel with five years of imprisonment and a fine of EUR 100,000.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 53

TVP World: French senators propose bill to make Zionism criticism a criminal offence
➡️ A group consisting of 16 French senators, most of them associated with the political party The Republicans (LR), introduced a bill, led by Senator Stéphane Le Rudulier, aimed at making anti-Zionism a criminal offense. Senator Le Rudulier argues that the rise in anti-Semitism is linked to hatred of Israel.
➡️ The proposed bill, which was submitted for a first reading in the Senate, includes penalties for various offenses related to anti-Zionism. It seeks to punish those who deny the existence of the State of Israel with one year of imprisonment and a fine of EUR 45,000.
➡️ Those who insult the State of Israel would face two years imprisonment and a fine of EUR 75,000, and those who directly provoke hatred or violence against the State of Israel with five years of imprisonment and a fine of EUR 100,000.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 54

If not stopped, the Jews will kill them all. Keep hiding from that under your blizzards of words. When the children are all gone, you might finally run out of things to say. It won’t really matter then, will it. They’ll all still be dead. Nothing’s worth any of us dying for, is it. They’re just somebody else’s kids anyway.
This species deserves to survive – if it doesn’t, who will be around to make up these good jokes?

Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 55

If not stopped, the Jews will kill them all. Keep hiding from that under your blizzards of words. When the children are all gone, you might finally run out of things to say. It won’t really matter then, will it. They’ll all still be dead. Nothing’s worth any of us dying for, is it. They’re just somebody else’s kids anyway.
This species deserves to survive – if it doesn’t, who will be around to make up these good jokes?

Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 56

Posted on Middle East Eye Live feed;

Al-Qassam Brigades says it has killed five Israeli soldiers
2 hours ago
The al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s armed wing, said it killed five Israeli soldiers and wounded several others in a building northwest of Gaza City on Saturday.

Comment – the IDF is losing badly on a military level. Its Blind Rage attacks are a sign of weakness not strength

Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 57

Posted on Middle East Eye Live feed;

Al-Qassam Brigades says it has killed five Israeli soldiers
2 hours ago
The al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s armed wing, said it killed five Israeli soldiers and wounded several others in a building northwest of Gaza City on Saturday.

Comment – the IDF is losing badly on a military level. Its Blind Rage attacks are a sign of weakness not strength

Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 58

How many Palestinian children has the u$$a’ proxy killed the past 4 weeks, how many more to go?
This is a skirmish in the long running trap set for the u$$a empire.
Long war for the fools who skim fiat off it, and lose the big game.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 59

How many Palestinian children has the u$$a’ proxy killed the past 4 weeks, how many more to go?
This is a skirmish in the long running trap set for the u$$a empire.
Long war for the fools who skim fiat off it, and lose the big game.

Posted by: paddy | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 60

My previous “stay stay” comment (#20) at Stranger should have referenced no. 13, not 12

Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 16:28 utc | 61

My previous “stay stay” comment (#20) at Stranger should have referenced no. 13, not 12

Posted by: botete | Nov 4 2023 16:28 utc | 62

Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27
Yes. I noticed that a couple of days ago- Skwawakbox had a brief article on it.
It really is almost unbelievable- you have to wonder about the mental health of the poor saps who actually spoke in favour of such nonsense.
My guess is that the Senators involved have inherited the mantle, via Petain, via Action Francaise, via Thiers etc of the the royalists who imprisoned those who spoke disrespectfully of the King.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 16:31 utc | 63

Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27
Yes. I noticed that a couple of days ago- Skwawakbox had a brief article on it.
It really is almost unbelievable- you have to wonder about the mental health of the poor saps who actually spoke in favour of such nonsense.
My guess is that the Senators involved have inherited the mantle, via Petain, via Action Francaise, via Thiers etc of the the royalists who imprisoned those who spoke disrespectfully of the King.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 16:31 utc | 64

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27
While I’m too young to have a direct knowledge of it, but my grandparents do indeed pass something down, being italian I really feel that this is exactly how fascism begin.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:37 utc | 65

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 16:14 utc | 27
While I’m too young to have a direct knowledge of it, but my grandparents do indeed pass something down, being italian I really feel that this is exactly how fascism begin.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:37 utc | 66

So here we are, having planned the new Crusades since the C19th at least under the emerging Euro power being handed the baton , the British. With the use of Judaism as the excuse, the fantasy of Jerusalem and Israel and the belief known as Zionism – the connecting belief of the Rulers of the world regardless of the beliefs of their own nation’s populations.
Zionism NOT Judaism.
A imperial motif not a Religion.
Israel was the planned re invasion of the Levant and control of Arabia – a land route to Africa and Asia.
A new bigger, deeper canal to rival the Suez they had to give up after the lease ran out.
It was a plan of world domination, the same old plan, which included winning back the Eastern Orthodox by force. It needed brutal new beliefs to marshal the populations.
Christianity, Imperialism, White Supremacy, Fascism, Nazism, Banderism … ultimately the Zionist State and foothold under false pretences on the Holy Land.
That even the Pope of the Vatican is now openly backing after centuries of secretly doing so.
Even the WASP’s are doing after their secret centuries.
There is no concealing the fact that the massed naval forces, militaries, countries are EXACTLY the same as the ones who have been conquering and crusading and colonising over the centuries as well individual nation states and now as the collective waste King Rat!
That flag of a invented nation that marked the high water mark of the old Roman Empire is now being repeated as the end of the Holy Roman Empire that succeeded it and brutalised the world as much as connecting it. Enriching a minority and attempting to enslave the majority.
That is the Unipolar , represented by the final version of a European Imperial Power the USA (don’t kid yourselves , that’s exactly what you are) meeting it’s high water marks, across the whole world, as the majority have conjoined to repel that modern Roman Empire, as the Multipolar World of sovereign peoples.
History repeats. Rome falls. Again. It wasn’t built in a day and it didn’t fall in a day.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 67

So here we are, having planned the new Crusades since the C19th at least under the emerging Euro power being handed the baton , the British. With the use of Judaism as the excuse, the fantasy of Jerusalem and Israel and the belief known as Zionism – the connecting belief of the Rulers of the world regardless of the beliefs of their own nation’s populations.
Zionism NOT Judaism.
A imperial motif not a Religion.
Israel was the planned re invasion of the Levant and control of Arabia – a land route to Africa and Asia.
A new bigger, deeper canal to rival the Suez they had to give up after the lease ran out.
It was a plan of world domination, the same old plan, which included winning back the Eastern Orthodox by force. It needed brutal new beliefs to marshal the populations.
Christianity, Imperialism, White Supremacy, Fascism, Nazism, Banderism … ultimately the Zionist State and foothold under false pretences on the Holy Land.
That even the Pope of the Vatican is now openly backing after centuries of secretly doing so.
Even the WASP’s are doing after their secret centuries.
There is no concealing the fact that the massed naval forces, militaries, countries are EXACTLY the same as the ones who have been conquering and crusading and colonising over the centuries as well individual nation states and now as the collective waste King Rat!
That flag of a invented nation that marked the high water mark of the old Roman Empire is now being repeated as the end of the Holy Roman Empire that succeeded it and brutalised the world as much as connecting it. Enriching a minority and attempting to enslave the majority.
That is the Unipolar , represented by the final version of a European Imperial Power the USA (don’t kid yourselves , that’s exactly what you are) meeting it’s high water marks, across the whole world, as the majority have conjoined to repel that modern Roman Empire, as the Multipolar World of sovereign peoples.
History repeats. Rome falls. Again. It wasn’t built in a day and it didn’t fall in a day.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 68

Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 29
Mighty idf is a bunch of cowards that can only shoot down people aiming rocks at them, not real different from nato army.
Actually they go for carpet bombing because they shit their pants at the idea of fighting in urban contest and in the tunnels.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:40 utc | 69

Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 16:25 utc | 29
Mighty idf is a bunch of cowards that can only shoot down people aiming rocks at them, not real different from nato army.
Actually they go for carpet bombing because they shit their pants at the idea of fighting in urban contest and in the tunnels.

Posted by: Mario | Nov 4 2023 16:40 utc | 70

Although as a bell-weather item for years, the annual UNGA vote condemning the illegal, ICC-type criminal economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by the United States of America against Cuba, this years vote was very indicative as the results show: 187 countries voted in favor of the resolution. Against: 2 (USA and Israel). Ukraine abstained. The following rhetoric in the Russian MFA PR could also be applied to the Zionists if a vote were to be taken on their behavior over the years:

On November 2, during the 78th session of the UN General Assembly, Havana adopted a resolution on the necessity of ending the economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by the United States of America against Cuba.
The results of the vote convincingly confirmed the virtually unanimous and resolute condemnation by the international community of Washington’s illegal discriminatory economic measures. 187 countries voted in favor of the resolution. Against: 2 (USA and Israel). Ukraine abstained.
The Russian side actively supported this document and made a statement to that effect when it was adopted.
The annual adoption of such a resolution for more than 30 years means an unequivocal condemnation by almost the entire international community – both the Global South and almost the entire “collective West” – of the vicious practice of inhumane sanctions against a sovereign state, used by the United States as an instrument of pressure on a government it does not like and a mechanism of undisguised blackmail to achieve its own opportunistic goals.
Unable to part with its claims to world domination, the Biden administration cynically voted against this resolution, contrary to the unanimous opinion of the entire international community and in complete disregard for the fundamental principles and norms of international law. Moreover, by the decision of the President of the United States, the trade, economic and financial embargo against Havana was extended for another year in September of this year. Moscow is convinced that Washington’s plans to economically strangle the Island of Freedom and undermine the domestic political situation there are not destined to come true this time either.
Keeping Cuba on the unilateral and absolutely arbitrary U.S. list of so-called “state sponsors of terrorism” is also doomed to failure: despite any obstacles from the United States, Cuba will continue to develop its foreign economic ties.
Russia has always stood in solidarity with the friendly Cuban people, who have courageously and steadfastly resisted the United States blockade for more than 60 years. Together with the international majority, we will continue to seek its complete and unconditional abolition.
Our political cooperation will be strengthened, practical cooperation will deepen in the interests of socioeconomic development, and contacts in the humanitarian sphere will expand. The visit of a high-ranking Cuban government delegation to Moscow these days made it possible to discuss concrete steps in this direction in a substantive manner and to outline new significant guidelines on our joint path with Cuba.

In rather stark contrast to the Cuba Embargo vote was the annual resolution against Nazism that will be posted to the Ukie thread.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 71

Although as a bell-weather item for years, the annual UNGA vote condemning the illegal, ICC-type criminal economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by the United States of America against Cuba, this years vote was very indicative as the results show: 187 countries voted in favor of the resolution. Against: 2 (USA and Israel). Ukraine abstained. The following rhetoric in the Russian MFA PR could also be applied to the Zionists if a vote were to be taken on their behavior over the years:

On November 2, during the 78th session of the UN General Assembly, Havana adopted a resolution on the necessity of ending the economic, commercial and financial blockade imposed by the United States of America against Cuba.
The results of the vote convincingly confirmed the virtually unanimous and resolute condemnation by the international community of Washington’s illegal discriminatory economic measures. 187 countries voted in favor of the resolution. Against: 2 (USA and Israel). Ukraine abstained.
The Russian side actively supported this document and made a statement to that effect when it was adopted.
The annual adoption of such a resolution for more than 30 years means an unequivocal condemnation by almost the entire international community – both the Global South and almost the entire “collective West” – of the vicious practice of inhumane sanctions against a sovereign state, used by the United States as an instrument of pressure on a government it does not like and a mechanism of undisguised blackmail to achieve its own opportunistic goals.
Unable to part with its claims to world domination, the Biden administration cynically voted against this resolution, contrary to the unanimous opinion of the entire international community and in complete disregard for the fundamental principles and norms of international law. Moreover, by the decision of the President of the United States, the trade, economic and financial embargo against Havana was extended for another year in September of this year. Moscow is convinced that Washington’s plans to economically strangle the Island of Freedom and undermine the domestic political situation there are not destined to come true this time either.
Keeping Cuba on the unilateral and absolutely arbitrary U.S. list of so-called “state sponsors of terrorism” is also doomed to failure: despite any obstacles from the United States, Cuba will continue to develop its foreign economic ties.
Russia has always stood in solidarity with the friendly Cuban people, who have courageously and steadfastly resisted the United States blockade for more than 60 years. Together with the international majority, we will continue to seek its complete and unconditional abolition.
Our political cooperation will be strengthened, practical cooperation will deepen in the interests of socioeconomic development, and contacts in the humanitarian sphere will expand. The visit of a high-ranking Cuban government delegation to Moscow these days made it possible to discuss concrete steps in this direction in a substantive manner and to outline new significant guidelines on our joint path with Cuba.

In rather stark contrast to the Cuba Embargo vote was the annual resolution against Nazism that will be posted to the Ukie thread.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 72

it isn’t as if those offshore rigs and pipelines were already built and functional.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 19
Israel has stopped exporting gas to Egypt three weeks ago. Israel diverted 70% Leviathan field output to domestic consumption. That means less output exported from Egypt as LNG. Also an investment “pause” for the foreseeable future on refinery expansion. Hamas is eating Israel’s lunch.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 73

it isn’t as if those offshore rigs and pipelines were already built and functional.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 15:24 utc | 19
Israel has stopped exporting gas to Egypt three weeks ago. Israel diverted 70% Leviathan field output to domestic consumption. That means less output exported from Egypt as LNG. Also an investment “pause” for the foreseeable future on refinery expansion. Hamas is eating Israel’s lunch.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 74

Nothing can replace the desolation of tens of thousands murdered by a synagogue of Satan, but Hamas has won. Jews have lost the holocaust industry. And Zionism is dead. The USA, after losing to Russia in Ukraine, is looking for a way out of Gaza. Hamas has won.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 75

Nothing can replace the desolation of tens of thousands murdered by a synagogue of Satan, but Hamas has won. Jews have lost the holocaust industry. And Zionism is dead. The USA, after losing to Russia in Ukraine, is looking for a way out of Gaza. Hamas has won.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 76

Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide?
Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16
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That would seriously cramp their long-term annexation plans for colonization.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 16:53 utc | 77

Would Israel use nuclear weapons in Gaza for genocide?
Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16
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That would seriously cramp their long-term annexation plans for colonization.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 16:53 utc | 78

@ sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 37
Well, yes, but I was referring to as yet undeveloped/unexploited offshore fields. The ones that the Ziostate doesn’t want to share with Palestine.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 79

@ sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 16:42 utc | 37
Well, yes, but I was referring to as yet undeveloped/unexploited offshore fields. The ones that the Ziostate doesn’t want to share with Palestine.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 80

Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 28
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There are much worse fates than death. I believe many people in the M.E. (of every denomination) understand this.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 81

Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 28
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There are much worse fates than death. I believe many people in the M.E. (of every denomination) understand this.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 82

Israel’s campaign will continue as it has for at least another week. France wants to set up “humanitarian conference” but it won’t meet until Nov 9. Arab League has plans for “emergency meeting” but scheduled for Nov 11. Blinken is moving about ahead of those dates. Assume that massive pressure is being exerted right now behind the scenes to move the Palestinians into the areas designated (Sinai and Jordan). Likely being sold as the “quick fix” to instability and security issues moving forward.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 4 2023 17:12 utc | 83

Israel’s campaign will continue as it has for at least another week. France wants to set up “humanitarian conference” but it won’t meet until Nov 9. Arab League has plans for “emergency meeting” but scheduled for Nov 11. Blinken is moving about ahead of those dates. Assume that massive pressure is being exerted right now behind the scenes to move the Palestinians into the areas designated (Sinai and Jordan). Likely being sold as the “quick fix” to instability and security issues moving forward.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 4 2023 17:12 utc | 84

Ziostate doesn’t want to share with Palestine.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 40
Share? As if. We all know about arbitrary work permits, but yesterday RT interviewed a PA insider who explained how Israel has always taken 30% off the top of transfers to public- and private-sector payments. This morning RT reports this morning that Israel’s mental midgets are operation with the assumption that HAMAS is hoarding fuel under hospitals.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 17:14 utc | 85

Ziostate doesn’t want to share with Palestine.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 17:00 utc | 40
Share? As if. We all know about arbitrary work permits, but yesterday RT interviewed a PA insider who explained how Israel has always taken 30% off the top of transfers to public- and private-sector payments. This morning RT reports this morning that Israel’s mental midgets are operation with the assumption that HAMAS is hoarding fuel under hospitals.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 4 2023 17:14 utc | 86

Killing up to 1,000 Palestinians a day in Gaza is not quick enough for genocide. Even if the war lasts a year without ceasefire, which is hard to imagine.
Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16
My guess is that if they want to take the whole strip they will push the palestinians so much that the border with Egypt will be opened one way or the other. What will masses of civilian do against an advancing wall of shells, bombs and heavy armored vehicles mowing down everyone in front of them if not trying to get out of the way?
Starvation and diseases should also kick in in due time in such environment.

Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 4 2023 17:30 utc | 87

Killing up to 1,000 Palestinians a day in Gaza is not quick enough for genocide. Even if the war lasts a year without ceasefire, which is hard to imagine.
Posted by: ChrisB | Nov 4 2023 15:07 utc | 16
My guess is that if they want to take the whole strip they will push the palestinians so much that the border with Egypt will be opened one way or the other. What will masses of civilian do against an advancing wall of shells, bombs and heavy armored vehicles mowing down everyone in front of them if not trying to get out of the way?
Starvation and diseases should also kick in in due time in such environment.

Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 4 2023 17:30 utc | 88

To stranger@21 …and all strangers who seek to navigate the trap known as humanity.
Thank you for your communication.
This exquisite trap is designed to induce loss and hopelessness to all would be navigators. Such is the nature of traps.
But navigate we do. No trap is truly perfect. Though the trap may rejuvenate itself through alleged “lifetimes”, knowledge of its workings are still accumulated by the record- keeping of its navigators.
Thus hope persists as we stumble and bumble to a way out.
Together goes better via the quality of our communication.
We continue.

Posted by: chu teh | Nov 4 2023 17:35 utc | 89

To stranger@21 …and all strangers who seek to navigate the trap known as humanity.
Thank you for your communication.
This exquisite trap is designed to induce loss and hopelessness to all would be navigators. Such is the nature of traps.
But navigate we do. No trap is truly perfect. Though the trap may rejuvenate itself through alleged “lifetimes”, knowledge of its workings are still accumulated by the record- keeping of its navigators.
Thus hope persists as we stumble and bumble to a way out.
Together goes better via the quality of our communication.
We continue.

Posted by: chu teh | Nov 4 2023 17:35 utc | 90

Thanks for the poem of Badr al-Shakir al Sayyab, communist Iraqi poet totally unknown in the West.
I cannot help thinking that if the world became (even) more religious, there wont be music or literature anymore.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 17:40 utc | 91

Thanks for the poem of Badr al-Shakir al Sayyab, communist Iraqi poet totally unknown in the West.
I cannot help thinking that if the world became (even) more religious, there wont be music or literature anymore.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 17:40 utc | 92

Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them.

Posted by: D J G | Nov 4 2023 17:48 utc | 93

Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them.

Posted by: D J G | Nov 4 2023 17:48 utc | 94

“Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them.”
First, Russia should destroy the Israeli air force.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 17:53 utc | 95

“Russia should give all the residents in the illegal Israeli settlements 24 hours to leave and then destroy them.”
First, Russia should destroy the Israeli air force.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 4 2023 17:53 utc | 96

A reminder.
The Israeli pilots who drop the bombs and fire the missiles on hospitals and civilians are guilty of war crimes and cannot defend themselves by the excuse that they were obeying orders. They will be pursued for their entire lives, as will those responsible for the orders.
Simon Wiesenthal set the precedent.
There will be a time of reckoning, whether it is from the mob, or from International legal mechanisms, there will be no escape.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 4 2023 17:57 utc | 97

A reminder.
The Israeli pilots who drop the bombs and fire the missiles on hospitals and civilians are guilty of war crimes and cannot defend themselves by the excuse that they were obeying orders. They will be pursued for their entire lives, as will those responsible for the orders.
Simon Wiesenthal set the precedent.
There will be a time of reckoning, whether it is from the mob, or from International legal mechanisms, there will be no escape.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 4 2023 17:57 utc | 98

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 34
(Judaism)

I’ve long believed that Judaism was more like a cult than a religion but have never read any of its holy? texts. So I googled it a few minutes ago and here’s the (mercifully brief) result:
What are 3 major beliefs of Judaism?
Jewish people believe there’s only one God who has established a covenant — or special agreement —with them. Their God communicates to believers through prophets and rewards good deeds while also punishing evil. Most Jews (with the exception of a few groups) believe that their Messiah hasn’t yet come — but will one day.
5 Jan 2018

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 4 2023 18:06 utc | 99

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 16:39 utc | 34
(Judaism)

I’ve long believed that Judaism was more like a cult than a religion but have never read any of its holy? texts. So I googled it a few minutes ago and here’s the (mercifully brief) result:
What are 3 major beliefs of Judaism?
Jewish people believe there’s only one God who has established a covenant — or special agreement —with them. Their God communicates to believers through prophets and rewards good deeds while also punishing evil. Most Jews (with the exception of a few groups) believe that their Messiah hasn’t yet come — but will one day.
5 Jan 2018

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 4 2023 18:06 utc | 100