There is an Israeli response that after they left Gaza, the people voted for Hamas and set about a fanatical effort to build rockets and attack Israel, no matter what. They are asserting that no solution therefore is possible except expulsion or a genocide (without using that word, of course)
What can be said about this? It looks true superficially…..
I wonder why no one in the West has laid down the gauntlet and said, ‘you don’t get a state unless you recognize Israel (borders negotiable) and the bombing will never stop otherwise’.
Sorry, but I never see this matter fleshed out as to how two states are supposed to work. I’m starting to think they never can – but I want to be wrong!

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 2 2023 12:10 utc | 3

Let’s take a moment to toast Balfour….said nobody ever.
About Russia and China pushing “two state” because they don’t want a full scale war….for me it’s disappointing. Craig Mokhiber in his Democracy Now interview and resignation letter says one state with equal rights for all humans is the only way forward.
The optimist in me hopes that maybe Russia and China are prioritizing a stop to the bombing as a first step before tackling other stuff.
Death toll is over 9,000 but 2,000 under rubble and how many of the 22,000 injured will survive with the state of the hospitals??
About the paper kitten countries the fact is that Israel being attacked by any Arab / Muslim country is simply not permissible to the EU/US/UK/IS/AUS/NZ bloc. History tells us that kittens are not allowed to roar. They must be killed, invaded, regime changed, whatever.
It’s one thing to unite to launch an offensive war far from home. It’s another to launch a war against Israel in your own backyard that basically puts at risk the last fifty years of trying to develop your own country.
Afghans are labeled terrorists for simply defending their homelands against foreign invaders or unjust regimes, same goes for Hezbollah, Hamas, ANC…list is long.
Palestine is symbolic of resistance to the world order. For now it’s about stopping genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing of West Bank but really it’s about resisting a world order born from settler colonialism and now morphing into corporate colonialism.
I respect Scott Ritter for calling it out Israel as it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV_HsiJg8Io

Posted by: pq | Nov 2 2023 12:20 utc | 5

Outlets such as aljazeera and middleeasteye report about ongoing negociations to free russian or thai hostages but they do not dare to question the timing that had simultaneously qatar leading a nego with hamas for the release of the israeli hostaged AND the beginning of a ground op involving IS and US forces that claimed they wanted to get back the hostages (preferably dead so that they cannot talk?)

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 2 2023 12:24 utc | 7

Israel, just like Ukraine will shrink, maybe even stop existing in the near future.

Posted by: ostro | Nov 2 2023 12:27 utc | 9

Posted by: librul | Nov 2 2023 12:23 utc | 4
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At least 25% of the Israel population is either former Russians, or descendants of them. Some might even carry dual citizenship.

Posted by: ostro | Nov 2 2023 12:30 utc | 11

The Palestinians now have a choice of surrendering and living in some sort of “peace” with Israel, or going the way of the Native Americans.

You imbecilic fascist Israeli Nazi pukes really think this is how this plays out eh? Your state is criminal and stupid, in endorsing collective punishment and genocide you make guilty every person living in Israel. Your actions have proven to the world Israel cannot be allowed to have a state. Continue to honor yourselves. The time you can do so is rapidly coming to an end. Cowardly fucks.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 2 2023 12:36 utc | 13

At 11:00 a.m. (9:00 a.m. GMT), Saraya al-Quds militant group, the armed wing of the Islamic Jihad radical Palestinian movement delivered an intensive rocket strike on troop concentrations near the settlements of Holit, Mivtahim and Amiaz.
This conflict is escalating.
Mind you, BiBi has few days left in politics. There is a lot of confusion within his team and the IOF army.

Posted by: AI | Nov 2 2023 12:37 utc | 15

At this point, with more than 9000 Palestinians killed, the ongoing murder projected in technicolor on the world screen, it must be acknowledged that –
The US/Israel is the mightiest state in the world, a force that acts in full freedom and in full control.
Everyone else is spellbound, and just talking; nothing can stop the US/Israel, nothing and noone, as we are witnessing on the big world screen.
The defeat of the world by US/Israel is total in every sense. The very meaning of being human has been fundamentally diminished, the soul and spirit of man has been betrayed, morality is dead.
One is left speechless that NOONE has the courage to at least assemble a huge line of trucks with aid to Gaza and simply go in, whatever it takes. If the world can’t even do that, it is naive and absurd to expect anything else. But it can arrange for citizens of this and that country to get out of the Gaza hell. If it wasn’t happening before our very eyes it would be hard to believe.
The US/Israel reigns supreme, as is only logical in a world like this.

Posted by: JB | Nov 2 2023 12:37 utc | 17

Posted by: pq | Nov 2 2023 12:20 utc | 3
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
If I were you, I will remove EU from the list and add Canada. Besides VD Lier no one in the EU wants to know.

Posted by: AI | Nov 2 2023 12:40 utc | 19

The US/Israel is the mightiest state in the world, a force that acts in full freedom and in full control.

And in this massive display of raw power and inhumanity wither do you think Maerican influence now goes? This is their last hurrah. Nowhere to go from here but down. Maerica has sacrificed its soft power and remaining credibility to prop up fascist Israel. The mask is fully off. Hard to see how this benefits Maerica, but as Israel’s whore it is par for the course.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 2 2023 12:41 utc | 21

I don’t pray for anything. I’m pointing out in your bloodthirsty rage you plant the seeds of your own destruction, genius.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 2 2023 12:41 utc | 23

Even if Israel kills every Hamas officer. Will they win then? No
Will they be able to evict everyone in Gaza? No. Thats a pipedream of extremist Zionist. It will NOT happen.
And Hamas will just be replaced by the next resistance organization. So Israel has already lost this battle.
Sure a few hundred thousand Gazans will be dead but so what? That wont make the problem go away.
Netanyahu is also gone after this. And hopefully his racist extremist ministers go with him.
I still remember when USA went guns blazing into Afghanistan believing they would defeat the Taliban 25 years ago. Lol

Posted by: Comandante | Nov 2 2023 12:47 utc | 25

Posted by: JB | Nov 2 2023 12:37 utc | 12
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
You don’t need to be educated to understand that America is falling and rapidly.

Posted by: AI | Nov 2 2023 12:49 utc | 27

Reminds me of a book I read titled “In search of enemies”. If you make bombs you need to have places to use them. Seems to me that Hamas attack was permitted by ruling class and now may unite Shia and Sunni with both Israelis and Palestinians as collateral damage. This following the same insane ruling class uniting the Russian and Chinese governments by instigating a threat in Ukraine.

Posted by: Ross | Nov 2 2023 12:53 utc | 29

Sorry, but I never see this matter fleshed out as to how two states are supposed to work. I’m starting to think they never can – but I want to be wrong!
Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 2 2023 12:10 utc | 2
I described a forum threads ago why the Two-State solution is not possible given the geo-political realities of the region.
The problem is that the very instantiation of two states side by side in Palestine will trigger off a network of implications.
That “network of implications” of tightly coupled cause and effect will result in an almost immediate collapse into war once again.

The two-state solution, considered as a dynamic system, is unstable. There is no set of non-zero, non-infinite parameter inputs that can be fed into this system to make it stable. The system is coupled to other unstable systems across the globe by long links of political, religious, economic and military force that will not vanish upon creation of a two state solution.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 2 2023 12:55 utc | 31

LOL, Doctor Eleven prays for the end of Israel. How quaint, you religious people are. Explain me, genius…..how exactly is this all playing out? You think Israel is going to be deterred by civilian shields? How’s that working out for ya?
Posted by: Hunter Biden | Nov 2 2023 12:41 utc | 15
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This is such obvious and weak trolling. I’ve trolled before and would be embarrassed to post stuff like this.
They are really not sending their best.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 2 2023 13:03 utc | 33

Posted by: liburl | Nov 2 2023 12:58 utc | 22
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Astonishing how a group of political extremists in Israeli government can bring the end of the existence of million Jewish people and causing hell for everyone else in the world.
They need to get BiBi out as soon as possible.

Posted by: AI | Nov 2 2023 13:05 utc | 35

Israel, just like Ukraine will shrink, maybe even stop existing in the near future.
Posted by: ostro | Nov 2 2023 12:27 utc | 7
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Recency bias and propaganda have helped many forget that the rise and fall of nations are normal.
Not just Israel, but America and a few European nations could be gone within 100 years.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 2 2023 13:06 utc | 37

Israel is following the lead of the German Nazis invading the Warsaw Ghetto.
1. Put an entire people in a cage.
2. Deny them necessities of life
3. Murder them as Untermensch.
And the United States of Extortion/Bribes and Dirty Money supports the killings.
It’s not complicated. Might is Right. And Israel is blind to what their future will be if that is the standard.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 2 2023 13:07 utc | 39

The defeat of the world by US/Israel is total in every sense. The very meaning of being human has been fundamentally diminished, the soul and spirit of man has been betrayed, morality is dead.
…
The US/Israel reigns supreme, as is only logical in a world like this.
Posted by: JB | Nov 2 2023 12:37 utc | 12
The flowers of this kind of victory contain the very the seeds of it’s defeat.
If indeed this is the victory over the world the West has won, it will result in all of humanity adopting the same moral paradigm as the victors.
The adoption of that paradigm by mankind will result in the destruction of it’s own creators.
This is the lesson of Pandora’s Box:
The Anglos and their American progeny released chemical warfare into the world, and now live in fear of that demon.
They released industrialised mass warfare into the world, now they cower in fear of that demon.
They released nuclear warfare upon the world, and cannot put it back in the box as hard as they try.
They released pre-emptive warfare doctrines into the modern world and now live in terror of it.
They released unbridled Capitalism upon the earth, now live in terror of others becoming better Capitalists than they.
They released modern, industrialised ethnic cleansing and emotionless genocide into the world, and will soon live in terror of that monster as well.
None of these things are going back in the box. Eventually what goes around comes around.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 2 2023 13:08 utc | 41

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 2 2023 13:03 utc | 23
We all know that is not Genocide Joe’s son, but it’s a very weak giveaway to it’s troll status.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 2 2023 12:03 utc | 1
Correct, there is precedent from the writers of the zionist playbook:
“One of the most amazing phenomena of this case which does not lack in startling features is the manner in which the aggressive war conducted by Germany against Russia has been treated by the defense as if it were the other way around. …If it is assumed that some of the resistance units in Russia or members of the population did commit acts that were in themselves unlawful under the rules of war, it would still have to be shown that these acts were not in legitimate defense against wrongs perpetrated upon them by the invader. Under International Law, as in Domestic Law, there can be no reprisal against reprisal. The assassin who is being repulsed by his intended victim may not slay him and then, in turn, plead self-defense”. (Trial of Otto Ohlendorf and others, Military Tribunal II-A, April 8, 1948)

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 2 2023 13:08 utc | 43

– The war in Gaza/Palestina/Israel has already caused large tensions in the Labour party in the UK. The leader of Labour has received A LOT OF protests and possible resignations from (muslim) Labour councillors in the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPDTd8HshRA

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 2 2023 13:11 utc | 45

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 2 2023 12:10 utc | 2

I wonder why no one in the West has laid down the gauntlet and said, ‘you don’t get a state unless you recognize Israel (borders negotiable) and the bombing will never stop otherwise’.

Someone linked the Hamas charter in the last comments section – a truly eloquent and fascinating read.
When they say they don’t accept Israel, what really is rejected is a state by Jews, for Jews and Jews alone and consequently another state for Palestinians that is separate.
The whole colonial idea of creating the state of Israel by fiat is rejected from day one.
The entire idea that UN resolutions or the British can disown Arabs of their land is rejected.
There should be only a new state called Palestine, for everyone who currently lives there and restitution for all the land taken. This does not mean genocide, eradication or expulsion of Israelis. It is an eminently sane ideal and probably the only viable solution even if execution of course will be lacking (for lack of a better expression).
This charta is absolutely misrepresented as “eradication of Israel”. It id repudiating the current legal fiction and decisions based thereon.

Posted by: SOS | Nov 2 2023 13:15 utc | 47

Hezbollah leader [using mediator channels] gives an ultimatum and warned US to end the genocide by tomorrow. Contrary to that a general mobilization of Shia units for war with Israel and a launch military operations against Israel from all directions will take place. This was agreed with Brigadier General Esmail Qaani, head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards’ Quds Force who happened to be in Lebanon since Tuesday.
BiBi must go before the graveyard expand.

Posted by: AI | Nov 2 2023 13:16 utc | 49

For those asking what was in Hamas’ mind re Oct 7…very interesting read from Middle East Eye.
Hamas had planned a small scale op to attack military bases and take 20-30 hostages (to exchange for Palestinian prisoners) and return quickly. This is what their spokesperson has always maintained.
It seems that they didn’t expect the IDF to be on holiday for 6 hours or that the IDF would be that incompetent.
They have also said from the beginning that “other elements” showed up. Hamas is an “army”, wears uniforms and was ordered not to harm children, women and elderly.
In one of the videos from MSM 3 weeks ago I remember thinking that the men looked totally different, they were not wearing any uniform, faces completely exposed. They were in jeans, t shirts, some didn’t even have guns.
I have to wonder how many of these were sent by Israel
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-hamas-and-israel-were-inches-deal-hostages
I have always believed that the rave was the planned psyop false flag. Hamas have never said they went to a rave, much less paraglided into it. It’s the Economist cover of 2012 that had paragliding Hamas.
So I personally think it was an absolute LIHOP to justify carpet bombing Gaza although Israel hadn’t realised Hamas would take off with that many hostages….
I also think that much of the atrocity propaganda against Hamas was already in the works before Oct 7.
Meanwhile the ICC is of course ready to investigate what happened on Oct 7 but not after.
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/what-really-happened-on-7th-october

Posted by: Pq | Nov 2 2023 13:20 utc | 51

“We must clearly understand who in reality is behind the tragedy of peoples in the Middle East and in other regions around the world, who has been organising this lethal chaos and who benefits from it. In my opinion, it has already become clear to everyone, as the masterminds brazenly act in the open. These are the current ruling elites in the United States and its satellites who are the main beneficiaries of the global instability that they use to extract their bloody rent. Their strategy is also clear. The United States as a global superpower is becoming weaker and is losing its position, and everyone sees and understands this.”
https://johnhelmer.net/if-the-army-says-fight-the-war-russians-agree-if-the-kremlin-says-stop-russians-agree-on-conditions-the-army-decides/

Posted by: ld | Nov 2 2023 13:24 utc | 53

Posted by: pq | Nov 2 2023 12:20 utc | 3
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If I were you, I will remove EU from the list and add Canada. Besides VD Lier no one in the EU wants to know.
Posted by: AI | Nov 2 2023 12:40 utc | 13
Yes, agree I forgot Canada but it belongs to Wef anyway….;)
Agree about Von Der Liar too but the problem is no country in EU seems to be sovereign any more …look at Meloni falling over herself…with Bibleman the Butcher

Posted by: pq | Nov 2 2023 13:25 utc | 55

@Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 2 2023 13:08 utc | 28
Yes, Israel is the invader.

Posted by: librul | Nov 2 2023 13:26 utc | 57

ld @ 33:
“ …. as the masterminds brazenly act in the open. These are the current ruling elites in the United States and its satellites…”
I’d have said the masterminds are Zionist Jews who control America’s elite through the Fed and AIPAC. The US wouldn’t be busy alienating the rest of the world to its’ own detriment, otherwise.

Posted by: ADB | Nov 2 2023 13:28 utc | 59

@Posted by: AI | Nov 2 2023 13:16 utc | 31
“Hezbollah leader [using mediator channels] gives an ultimatum and warned US to end the genocide by tomorrow”
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That is Huge news but I cannot find any verification for it.
What is your source, thx.

Posted by: librul | Nov 2 2023 13:31 utc | 61

Mr Market@29….that’s typical political talking out their arse, if they had any fucking balls they’d quit…..end of story, sadly they are all bought and paid for….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 2 2023 13:37 utc | 63

The real kick in the pants is when Biden said we need a 2 state solution and told Bibi his time is done.
Once new Israeli government is installed the real negotiations will begin. Things will not go back to pre Oct 7 state.
Israel will have 2 choices. Accept 2 state solution or start WW3.

Posted by: Comandante | Nov 2 2023 13:37 utc | 65

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 2 2023 13:11 utc | 29
Let’s hop this is the end for Starmer along with Genocide Joe:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/11/02/starmers-new-israel-problem/
The Labour Party is once again in crisis over Israel, but not for usual reasons. Keir Starmer is facing a revolt from his own MPs and councilors over his support for Israel’s criminal conduct against the Palestinians.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 2 2023 13:38 utc | 67

Comandante@43…..or third choice; live peacefully in Palestine like normal people…….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 2 2023 13:42 utc | 69

I’m carrying the post below over from the previous Palestine thread, sorry I can’t do more than a short answer as I am trekking today, taking Buber with me.

Dear Juliana
Yes there are pieces and bits of cananean, babylonian, sumerian, akkadian, egyptian sagas, carefully crafted by Aramean scribes who were still polytheist when they compiled them. The monotheist layer was added in achamenid times as well as the purity laws.
The main sagas are the cycle of Noah, the cycle of Moses, the cycle of Abraham. Have you noticed they are totally unrelated, except via the very contradictory genealogies?
The Septuagint, which i think is the text you use, was translated with an Hellenic cultural audience in mind and it may look a bit more coherent because the authors did some cultural adaptation using Greek figures instead of the Mesopotamian one.
I suggest you start reading Thomas Römer to get updated.
Posted by: Tom3 | Nov 2 2023 7:38 utc | 578

Very shortly,Tom, thank you but no thank you, as I said, I am following Buber. Being Orthodox and older I prefer ancient sources and am keeping my study simple. I do not wish to ‘get updated’ – far from it! Updating has got us where we are today. Sorry to be blunt; to each his own preferences.
I do intend to go back to Buber’s preface to pass on to psychohistorian Buber’s thoughts about terms such as ‘monotheism’ when I get back.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 2 2023 13:45 utc | 71

“More than 420 children are being killed or injured in Gaza each day — a number which should shake each of us to our core,” said UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell.
Galloway on MOATS
Why Hamas Are More Vietcong Than ISIS
Lists some major terrorist attacks against Britain by the Jewish Zionist terror groups, even on the life of Churchill during WW2 in London no less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjNu9ZgKtzY

“… it was the last Straw, the the double genocidal
attack on Jabalia refugee camp in which now hundreds
have been killed and hundreds maimed in a refugee
camp was the last straw — if Israel does not cease
fire by Dawn on Friday the world my world your world
our world will be on fire.
At dawn on Friday all kinds of people are going to
join the war and if the American aircraft carriers
and warships and the British warships and the
French and the Dutch (for God’s sake who knew the
Dutch had a Navy and Marines) if they join in
defense of Nnetanyahu’s Apartheid State then the
world will be at War from all parts of the West
Asia weapons in very very large numbers of very
great potency will set Israel on fire from north
to south.
They’ve got air raid shelters I hope they get to
them in time but Israel will be on fire at dawn
on Friday.
If the United States and its satrapies then choose
to join the war openly they too will be at war with
West Asia – it has the Ring of 1984 about it doesn’t
it? – and the Straits of Hormuz will be closed – no
oil will flow, no wheel will turn.
A state of war between the United States and Iran will
exist and Iran has very powerful weapons and very
determined friends – so I’m sorry to be the bearer of
that exceedingly bad news – with a bit of luck we’ll
get a show in on Sunday but no one can guarantee
anything after that. “

refs
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/1/israel-bombs-jabalia-refugee-camp-for-second-day-palestinian-officials-say
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/1/hamas-leader-accuses-israel-of-barbaric-massacres-after-refugee-camp-hit
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-warns-harsh-consequences-if-gaza-attacks-continue-2023-11-01/

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 2 2023 13:47 utc | 73

@ b … thanks for taking out the trash so quickly.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 2 2023 13:50 utc | 75

I’d have said the masterminds are Zionist Jews who control America’s elite through the Fed and AIPAC. The US wouldn’t be busy alienating the rest of the world to its’ own detriment, otherwise.
Posted by: ADB | Nov 2 2023 13:28 utc | 31
that was a quote from Putin
another quote
“They are not achieving results on the battlefield, so they want to split us from within, as far as Russia is concerned, to weaken us and sow confusion. They do not want Russia to participate in solving any international or regional problems, including in the Middle East settlement. They are not satisfied at all when someone does not act or speak exactly as they are instructed. They believe only in their own exclusivity, in being allowed to do anything…I would like to say once again that we must realise where the root of evil lies. We must know where the spider that is trying to entangle the entire planet and the whole world in its cobweb is. It wants to ensure our strategic defeat on the battlefield, and it is using people on the territory of contemporary Ukraine who have been brainwashed by it for decades. I would like to stress once again that, while fighting this enemy in the course of the special military operation, we are boosting the positions of all those who are struggling for their independence and sovereignty.”
I highly recommend Helmer’s article
He has done an analysis of the polls taken in Russia regarding the citizen’s wishes regarding both war theatres.
It looks to me as if the consensus is to focus on Ukraine and stay out of the ME conflict

Posted by: ld | Nov 2 2023 13:52 utc | 77

reply to 21, 30, and more
Jeez Louise, guys. Ya’ll sound pretty much like justifying Israeli arguments rather than knocking them down. A one state “solution” sounds even worse, more like Libya or even Somalia. Can anyone imagine Likud and Hamas waiting in line to vote? I can’t. With no practical outcome visualized, it comes down to one side exterminating the other, no middle ground ever.
I can see only two ways out of this. If Israel can survive with Hezbollah on the north ( coupled with occasional attacks), then I can’t see why Gaza can’t be treated the same way. Concrete barriers, dragon’s teeth, mile deep minefields seem to work ( for a certain other conflict !) Not wimpy razor wire and sensors alone.
The second way it ends (maybe) is the mostly secular Israelis leave. They leave behind the baby making Ultra Orthodox – who tend to be worse than useless as to education, employment and military service ( and nobody likes them, even more than just Jews). The nation falls apart in a generation or two. Settlers die fighting. Defacto pogroms happen. After that, a miserable “one state” emerges under Muslim domination ( the educated of which also emigrate). Problem “solved” ( ??!!)
Looking at Egypt and Tunisia, I’m not encouraged. “To The Last Palestinian”,sort of .

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 2 2023 13:56 utc | 79

This on armaments from the uber-neocon FDD is interesting: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/10/24/can-the-u-s-arm-israel-ukraine-and-taiwan-at-the-same-time/

Posted by: Helena | Nov 2 2023 14:00 utc | 81

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 2 2023 13:56 utc | 40
Sadly, I agree with you. At minimum 1967 borders (preferably 1948) with guarantees from all sides and their backers (US/UK and Iran/Syria/Russia) to disarm and not allow significant military capabilities for either of the 2 states. If Haiti/DR can share the same land, so can semites.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 2 2023 14:01 utc | 83

— Hassan Nasrallah, the secretary general of Hezbollah—Iran’s terrorist proxy in Lebanon—is set to deliver the most important speech of his life on Friday afternoon. There are signs Nasrallah is preparing to announce an all-out war against Israel, opening a second major front where the Israeli military will face an adversary that is better armed and more entrenched than Hamas in Gaza.
— Iran warns of ‘harsh consequences’ if Gaza attacks continue
Reuters November 1, 2023
“If an immediate ceasefire doesn’t take place in Gaza Strip and the rapid attacks by U.S. and Zionist Regime continue then the consequences would be harsh,” he said in Ankara.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-warns-harsh-consequences-if-gaza-attacks-continue-2023-11-01/
— Jordan has recalled its ambassador to Israel due to Israel’s ongoing bombardment of the Gaza Strip, the Jordanian Foreign Ministry announced
US Escalates like never before …. Live Updates
UK SAS also on the ground in Israel/Gaza – red notice issued to British press?
https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2023/10/live-updates-us-boosts-military-presence-red-sea-rafah-opens-israel-deepens-gaza

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 2 2023 14:04 utc | 85

@ Comandante | 33 @ Sean | 35
It’s not just those 3 options for Israel – WW3 or finally accepting UN-Security Council Resolution 242 or some one state solution.
I think sadly the most probable option is for them to just continue this conflict for the forseeable future and as long they have the resources for it, sometimes more aggressively as they do now, sometimes maybe a bit more laid back and indirect. They basically continue their big brother’s tradition of prolonged conflicts like in Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya, which the “West” all lost. Only, the US have 2 oceans protecting them from backlash. Israel might destroy Hamas, might destroy the whole Gaza strip, kill or displace millions of people but will never have a calm moment afterwards.
The liberal part of Israel is already leaving the country by the thousands, Times of Israel, Haaretz etc are reporting it. I don’t see how the madmen in charge would want to engage in peace talks. So it is one side against another, until one of them is no more. I don’t see the remaining 5 million jews in the levant prevail against hundreds of millions of ever more aggravated muslims around them. Somebody has to force a peace resolution on them for their own good or watch them perish…

Posted by: Roland | Nov 2 2023 14:05 utc | 87

Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 2 2023 14:04 utc | 43
The situation looks pretty grim according to Helmer and the Arab world is not going to come to the rescue.
It looks more like Game over for Gaza
Helmer
“The moral high ground is already held by Russia as Putin has just said,” a Moscow source comments, “while the state propaganda line portrays Russia as against ‘terrorism’, ‘genocide’, and ‘fascism’.” On the battlefield, he says, the situation is “far more grim. The satellite pictures show they [IDF] now have about 400 vehicles in total. They will overrun all of North Gaza while flooding or gassing the tunnels.”
For how long can Hamas defend against this without the opening of the other fronts to force the diversion of the IDF, stretch the US rearm and resupply capacities even further, and lengthen the war? There are pro-Russian military veteran sources who believe not long enough. “The Iranians are showing themselves to be blowhards. Hezbollah is afraid of the US response. Both know they risk losing power and position if the war escalates. Israel has called their bluff. Islamic ‘unity’ is proving to be hollow — a dead end.”
The Moscow source concurs. “When this is over, it will take away any chance of change to status quo for at least a decade. The only defeat it appears will still come in Ukraine but not in Palestine.

Posted by: ld | Nov 2 2023 14:16 utc | 89

Graphic evidence of Israeli war crimes at 20 minutes into the video.
https://odysee.com/@thecrowhouse:2/The-True-Face-of-Israel:9

Posted by: jpb | Nov 2 2023 14:19 utc | 91

Posted by: Pq | Nov 2 2023 13:20 utc | 26
My conclusions as well. Hamas’ plans for 10/7 were known to Israel, and allies. I think UAE, given their very calm & contrarian reaction to date, may have been in from beginning.
IR was informed (they even had branded the campaign with the storm business – Khameni’s tweets that day used the op’s name. The op was genuine but far more limited. But they were not remotely expecting what happened. Nassrallah has tried playing psychological games to cover what must be seriously existential discussions in Hezbollah central. Surprise and awkward position there for the entire axis.
LIHOP is clear given the uniform matter, the use of sex doll in one of the atrocity vidoes (legs don’t bend or break that way), and the ready counter branding of the said ‘storm’.
Israel/UAE is dangling Egypt in front of Muslim Brotherhood as price for going along with normalization of the ‘post-apartheid’ Israel. Should the transfer be permitted, Egypt’s current regime (military, etc.) will lose control to Muslim Brotherhood. This can not be lost to US/Israel/UAE.
Unlike UAE, it seems KSA is playing a more duplicituous role. Again, UAE is very clear on their orientation: they want modernization and complete clampdown on religious interference in affairs of state.
The Axis it seems finally understood what is happening and has called and raised the bluff. Now the bluff of US/Israel/UAE is being called. Yama’s Houthis released a song and dance number in uniforms with 6 distinct arm patches, ranging from their own to IRGC and Hezbollah.
Russia is playing a spoiler role here as is Saudi Arabia (they are with the LIHOPers imo) and China’s strategic weaknesses have also been fully demonstrated to the “global south”. Western leadership (with some notable exceptions) certainly has been fully disrobed of any genuine virtue in full view of the global audiance.
China’s entirely inadequate input to date is either indicative of their strategic weakenss, or their silent assent to US/Israel/UAE plan of “final solution” to the “Middle East” problems. My money is on Chineses’ hardnosed realism. Abraham Accords and a stable Middle East are necessary for China’s plans for this century.
Axis (maybe change that ..) is now faced with a moment of truth: Can Russia and Putin be trusted? Dagestan op was an indication of either a probe or a ‘informative jolt’ to RF leadership and whoever is closely watching their moves.
This is not Syria. This is a moment of truth for almost everyone concerned, both at the organizational level and at a deep personal level. Losers in this conflict will not suffer a setback. The losers of this will cease to exist (sooner than later).
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btw, Lion of the Desert (1980) is must see for these days. Someone should screen this film in front of Israeli embassies worldwide. The bad guys prancing around arrogantly in this movie are Italian Fascists but they (would you know it?) mouth the same words as IDF. Even has a “concentration camp” for “civilians”.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 2 2023 14:33 utc | 93

These are the ‘chosen’ the west are abetting:
https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1717578277777555773?s=20

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 2 2023 14:33 utc | 95

@ ld | Nov 2 2023 14:16 utc | 45
Yes, Helmer’s insider comments may well be correct – I have no idea how this will go.
But as mentioned before I have no faith in Russia or Putin lifting a finger (nor China or Iran) to help on direct kinetic actions or even diplomatic actions or sanctions against Israel or the US.
I suspect Galloway and many others are driven by wishful thinking …. but who knows for sure? We’ll see….. no body did anything the last dozen times Israel was a top performing war criminal against civilians ….
Maybe the only gain will be that millions more people are aware of what a sit hole evil country Israel is and it’s jewish citizens are all pathetic evil cretins not worth a dime.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 2 2023 14:33 utc | 97

Today, during a police raid to take down Palestinian flags in the anti-Zionist Jewish neighborhood, Mea Shearim in Jerusalem, the Israeli policemen were recorded attacking residents and knocking residents down on the road, hitting, and punching them in the face.
Police violence against ultra-Orthodox Jews continues constantly, Zionists constantly attack Jews, this must stop.
The only crime of these Jews is that they stand with the Palestinian people and are against Zionism.
https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism/status/1719741630763159672

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 2 2023 14:39 utc | 99