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Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2023-289
News & views (not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine) …
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 2 2023 8:17 utc | 96
My apologies for the upsets. Appreciate the points you’re making. My point was merely a technical one.
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Apology accepted. It is so rare to have a civilized interchange! I can see from this response that you do “do nuance”, which is my pet peeve on most boards. In what you said earlier, I did not hear a lot of nuance. This response is better.
The US is littered with guilty parties and obscene events, be they British, European or American peoples. Lincoln simply had a a very effective PR agency behind his memory,
I acknowledge the unending bloodbath that is US domestic and foreign policy. However, acts must be judged in the context of their times. The US was no more bloodthirsty than any of the European powers, even if those powers were constrained by the proximity of equally powerful adversaries. They certainly proved horrible in the Scramble for Africa.
Lincoln was an extremely able politician, and by his own lights, a moral individual deeply troubled by slavery. But he had his own private version of double-think, which allowed him to be amoral as a practical politician
It was Abraham Lincoln who combined perfectly the needs of business, the political ambition of the new Republican party, and the rhetoric of humanitarianism. He would keep the abolition of slavery not at the top of his list of priorities, but close enough to the top so it could be pushed there temporarily by abolitionist pressure and practical political advantage.
Lincoln could skillfully blend the interests of the very rich and the interests of the black at the moment in history when these interests met…Lincoln could argue with lucidly and passion against slavery on moral grounds, while acting cautiously in practical politics.
The American government had set out to fight the slave states in 1861, not to end slavery; but to retain the enormous national territory and market and resources.
– Howard Zinn, “A People’s History of the United States”.
So, to your point that “Lincoln…had a very effective PR agency”, I would agree. Nobody ever mentions that he was a railroad lawyer. But he was no more a war criminal than anyone else in that time period. Once one accepts that the official history is “bunk” and “wriitten by the victors”, it is very hard to point fingers at any one actor in the bar room brawl that is US history.
Also, you will get no argument from me about what a bunch of whackjobs the Puritans were. In the first chapter of James Kuntsler’s “The Geography of Nowhere”, he describes how they initially set themselves up as rural communes along the lines of the Dark Ages. Their entire existence was primitive farming and going to church while waiting to die and go to heaven. They set the pattern for bigotry and intolerance that carries forward to this day.
Slavery would have ended soon enough, as two separate nations the North could have crushed the south and it’s slavery system
Its true that slavery would end due to its inefficiency compared to the power of the Industrial Revolution. But crushing the South without a war would have been difficult. The South had the backing of the British because it was their resource colony. The British built ships for the Confederate navy. Also, given the rabid calls for succession immediately upon Lincoln’s election, I don’t see how Lincoln could have avoided war. His political support would have vaporized if he did not respond.
I am happy to let things slide because you have a very interesting POV; you write elegantly; and you acknowledge you are “definitely unusual to the norm”.
And thanks for the interesting point about black slaveowners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_slave_owners_in_the_United_States
Posted by: john brewster | Dec 2 2023 16:35 utc | 113
HARD WORKING MR.WANG IN CHINA
https://nitter.net/pretentiouswhat/status/1730551522860351890#m
David Fishman
@pretentiouswhat
Dec 1
China Taxicab Chronicles:
Hard-Working Mr. Wang
Yesterday I took a long taxi from Wuxi to a conference hotel near Taihu.
My driver was Mr. Wang, a Wuxi transplant from the mountains of Western Anhui.
A chatty guy, he had a lot of opinions about EVs, rural hukous, and tea. 🧵
The conversation started typically
“Hey, good Chinese. How long have you been in China?”
“Oh…thanks. 11 years.”
“Where are you from?”
“The USA. What about you? From Wuxi?”
“No, I’m from Anhui, Jinzhai County.”
“Jinzhai? I don’t know it. Which city?”
“Lu’an City
“Ohhh, Lu’an city. That’s the one that looks like Liu’an (六安) but is pronounced Lu’an right? I used to always read it incorrectly.”
“Yes that’s right. Lu’an is how we say it in the local dialect. Jinzhai County is part of Lu’an. It’s close to Hubei”.
Jinzhai countryside:
“Okay, what is Jinzhai County famous for?”
I am expecting him to name some dish, specialty product, or tourist site. I am wrong.
“Generals! Jinzhai County is known as the Home of Generals! We have 59 of of them!”
I do a quick Baidu search.
“Wow, that’s right. 59 generals…”
“Actually it was 60 generals. But one of them died in fighting in Korea, and he is not counted anymore. So Jinzhai is the county with 59 generals…”
“Okay, it looks like it’s quite rural…I see it has some tourist areas. I see the Dabie Mountain Scenic Area. Is that nice?”
“Oh that’s very beautiful. But don’t go to visit now. There’s nothing to see. You could go in the winter, when there’s mist in the morning, and it turns into icicles on the trees. It’s very pretty.”
“I’ll definitely check it out someday. How long have you been in Wuxi?”
“Me…? I’ve been here almost 20 years now.”
“Oh, so your family is here now? Did you buy a house here?”
Yeah, many members of my family are here. And my kids. I bought a house here. It’s not so expensive if you don’t buy in the city center.”
“Oh, how old are your kids?”
“My son, he’s in middle school now in Wuxi.”
“He a good student?
“He works hard, never cuts class. But Wuxi kids are the most hard-working in the country, you know?
Actually he likes art. If he can’t go to college, I will support him to pursue art.”
“So…did you move your residency to Wuxi?”
“No, I don’t have a Wuxi hukou”
“Why? Is it too difficult to get a Wuxi hukou?”
“It’s okay. If you pay taxes in Wuxi for some years…I don’t know how many…you can apply for Wuxi hukou. But I don’t want to give up my Jinzhai hukou.”
“Why don’t you want to give up the hukou in your hometown?”
“Ah, let me explain it to you. In China, there are two kinds of hukou…urban hukou and rural hukou. Urban hukou has some good aspects, but actually rural hukou has more benefits, so you shouldn’t give it up.”
“What kind of benefits?”
“There are some programs for rural hukous only…like loans…special support programs, some government promotions. And you can own land. If you get an urban hukou, you can’t have land. Land can be sold someday.
“Oh, so you still have land back home?”
“Yeah. If you keep your rural hukou, you can keep your land.”
“But what can you do with the land? You are here…so there is no one to use the land. Does it have value?”
“Oh you can still grow things on it…Some people there can work on the land while I’m here.”
“Oh…a mountain area in Anhui. I guess you’re growing…tea?”
“Yeah exactly, tea. That’s the only thing that will grow well in our soil.”
“Green tea, right?”
“Yeah, but you know, red tea is the same thing. It’s green tea that is fermented, so the flavor is stronger”
(I did not know this. I later checked Wikipedia to find that the oxidation process that yields black tea (or “red tea” in Chinese) is indeed called fermentation, albeit erroneously, since no fermentation decay actually takes place).
“Can you make a lot of money from planting tea?”
“No. In one year, all of my land back home can produce a total gross of…maybe 100,000 RMB. Then you have to subtract costs like labor, equipment, materials. And it’s very tiring work.”
“So you prefer life in Wuxi?”
“Yeah.”
“What do the people back home in the village think of people like you, that go to other cities to work and develop? How do they see you?”
“How they see me…hah…how do I say this? I guess think I’m pretty hard-working.”
(The word he used here is 勤劳)
“Oh, is it rare to leave the village?”
“No, not at all. Most people who are hard-working like me will leave the village. The people that don’t want to come out like me are…how to say…not so hard-working…”
“So if I were to say it bluntly, your village now is full of lazy people and the elderly?”
“Hahaha, yes, that’s right. Lazy people and old people. There’s no opportunity, unless you want to raise tea.”
“What about eco-tourism? Does the government push you to open homestays?
“Oh, of course. There’s even one next to my house. But there are too many. You can’t make enough money doing that, I think. There’s too much competition. Still rely on tea.”
“Well, I guess they live a more relaxed life compared to you.
“Oh yeah, it’s relaxed. But they also have a lot of financial stress, you know? And it’s not because of high cost of living. The main issue is the old traditions in the countryside. You need to spend so much money on gifts! Births, birthdays, weddings…”
David F
…just think about it. If you aren’t familiar with the person, you should give them 100 or 200 RMB. If it’s a close relative, you have to give them 500 to 1000 RMB. That’s a lot of money if you only earn 6000-7000 RMB per season…
…but if you just came to visit, I guess you would say it’s very relaxed, very comfortable. My niece…she married a foreign guy, like you. Now they live overseas. But when he came to visit our hometown, he said it was so comfortable, he wanted to stay forever”.
“Hah, of course he thought it was comfortable. You guys were probably feeding him delicious food all day and treating him like the emperor’s son. He didn’t have to do anything.”
“Hahaha, yes, that’s true. You totally understand the Chinese hospitality culture”.
“Trust me…I experience it when I go to my wife’s hometown. I don’t dare to say that I like something, or I will eat it every day for the rest of my visit. I said I liked a beef dish on Day 1, and they made me beef every day…”
He’s cracking up. “Hahahaha we did that too!”
“Do you live in Wuxi?” he asks me.
“No I’m just here for work.”
“What kind of work?”
“I work in energy, mostly wind and solar. Does Jinzhai County have wind and solar power?”
“No wind…no solar. We have hydropower storage, though…pumps at night for cheap power. You know it?”
“Yeah, of course, this is part of my work too. Pumped hydropower is very important to make sure you don’t have power blackouts”.
(He is referring to State Grid’s Jinzhai Pumped Hydropower Storage Facility that just came online earlier this year).
Anhui Jinzhai pumped storage power station, owned and operated by State Grid Xinyuan. -a major pumped-storage hydroelectricity company in China, has started to generate electricity on Dec.26, providing a strong guarantee for the safe and stable operation of Anhui power grid.
“What do you think of these?” he gestures at the car in front of us, an electric vehicle with a green license plate.
“I think they’re good. You’ll save money on gas, plus you can get a license plate for free.”
“Yeah, that part is good, but I think it’s bad overall.”
“Oh, why?”
“Think about it. In China, we have 400 million cars now. If all of them switch to EVs, that will raise the demand for power. Electricity will be expensive! Maybe we will pay 5 yuan per kilowatt hour!”
“Don’t worry, I don’t think that will happen. The price should stay steady…”
“Ah well, I don’t know. But I don’t want an electric vehicle. I like hydrogen vehicles. Japan is very strong for cars. I like their hydrogen cars. Their technology is very advanced.”
(I wonder where he’s been learning about Japanese hydrogen FCVs to have reached this opinion??)
By now, 30 mins have flown by, and we are pulling up to the hotel, so I say goodbye.
Thanks to the chatty and curiously tech-savvy Mr. Wang, I have a new appreciation for tea farming and hukou optimizing, while adding a new travel destination too. Not a bad ride.
Posted by: MD | Dec 4 2023 19:01 utc | 127
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