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November 30, 2023
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2023-289
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Oil markets: from Nixon to Trump Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 30 2023 15:55 utc | 1 External war, whether against China, Russia, Iran, or all three, would be horrendous. But winnable. And at the moment, despite all the woke histrionics from the US Defense Department, there is not a nation in the world that wants to test the resolve of the United States Marine Corps. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 30 2023 15:56 utc | 2 Gratitude for b and this space. In Canada Pierre Poutine has a new viral video of him touring a Kelowna orchard and interviewing while munching an apple. Would like to remind all especial Canadian barflies that Pierre is/was part of Canadas bail in regime and not to be trusted w the interest of the commons. Secondly his parties foreign policy is grossly outdated and zenophobic, not unlike all NATO countries. I would also take this space to remind everyone that blue house as well as orange red green and PC houses, without exception support palestinian genocide and gave standing ovations clapping like carnival seals for actual Natzi and neo Natzi. On the same day. All that being said good video w a few out of the box solutions that hopefuly w be implemented or stolen by another party. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 30 2023 16:06 utc | 3 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 30 2023 16:06 utc | 3 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 30 2023 16:13 utc | 4 “External war, whether against China, Russia, Iran, or all three, would be horrendous. But winnable. And at the moment, despite all the woke histrionics from the US Defense Department, there is not a nation in the world that wants to test the resolve of the United States Marine Corps. Posted by: lester | Nov 30 2023 16:14 utc | 5 Ask yourself Posted by: Exile | Nov 30 2023 16:21 utc | 6 https://pitchfork.com/news/shane-macgowan-pogues-frontman-dies-at-65/ Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 30 2023 16:26 utc | 7 Posted by: Passerby | Nov 30 2023 15:56 utc | 2 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 30 2023 16:27 utc | 8 East Asian, African, Arab, or South American Investment Manager Posted by: too scents | Nov 30 2023 16:29 utc | 9 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 30 2023 16:06 utc | 3 What the Argentina CIA mole is going to come up against very quickly and he won’t even see it coming. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 30 2023 16:50 utc | 11 The Greenhouse Gas Footprint of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) Exported from the United States Posted by: Winston, journalist | Nov 30 2023 17:02 utc | 12 The Greenhouse Gas Footprint of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) Exported from the United States Posted by: Winston, journalist | Nov 30 2023 17:04 utc | 13 I’ve been waiting for an opportunity to post this. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 30 2023 17:09 utc | 14 Just a bit of McCarthyism to lighten the mood Posted by: ld | Nov 30 2023 17:15 utc | 15 Just a general but interesting observation about the west. Posted by: unimperator | Nov 30 2023 17:18 utc | 16 canuck@10…..you are a prime example of the Canadian electorate…..lead around by the nose…..if you had any brains you’d vote for the panty waist that keeps the chief pedominister in power. Try fucking with their brains, otherwise your vote is well coddled. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 30 2023 17:20 utc | 17 Ask yourself Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 30 2023 17:28 utc | 18
The Maericans havent fought against a peer adversary, ever. The people making such judegments also thought Ukraine was winnable. They have no expertise whatsoever, just theory apon fucking theory. They just biovoating blowhards strutting like peacocks. So many useless generals and officers. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 30 2023 17:44 utc | 19 LoveDonbass@14 Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2023 17:49 utc | 20 “Would like to remind all especial Canadian barflies that Pierre is/was part of Canadas bail in regime and not to be trusted w the interest of the commons. Secondly his parties foreign policy is grossly outdated and zenophobic, not unlike all NATO countries. I would also take this space to remind everyone that blue house as well as orange red green and PC houses, without exception support palestinian genocide and gave standing ovations clapping like carnival seals for actual Natzi and neo Natzi.” Posted by: ld | Nov 30 2023 17:50 utc | 21 “Lavrov in the Lion’s Den–OSCE Skopje” gives testimony most of those present would rather not have heard. Lavrov outclasses the dead one even when he was in his prime. https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/11/29/the-15-years-that-destroyed-america/ Lavrov’s OSCE spoech at Karofs substack is worth reading – the strong language parallels what the Peking MFA has been saying for the last 20 months. Posted by: Exile | Nov 30 2023 19:36 utc | 24 (From Sovereign Man) Posted by: Honzo | Nov 30 2023 19:46 utc | 25 Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 30 2023 16:06 utc | 3 Posted by: FLENQ | Nov 30 2023 20:00 utc | 26 What would Canada be like with Mad-Max Bernier of the Peoples Party of Canada as prime minister and Danielle Smith, the premier or Alberta, as vice-premier ? Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 30 2023 20:22 utc | 27 This is partly a forum of what the Ukranian current reports may have to go on: Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 30 2023 20:44 utc | 28 So definetly, – why not? – RF would have a “good” actual reasons to send a small far-ranged TEST-missile towards USA/SanFrancisco bridge ..? Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 30 2023 20:56 utc | 29 @ Posted by: Passerby | Nov 30 2023 15:56 utc | 2 Posted by: fnord | Nov 30 2023 21:08 utc | 30 canuck@10…..you are a prime example of the Canadian electorate…..lead around by the nose…..if you had any brains you’d vote for the panty waist that keeps the chief pedominister in power. Try fucking with their brains, otherwise your vote is well coddled. “Would like to remind all especial Canadian barflies that Pierre is/was part of Canadas bail in regime and not to be trusted w the interest of the commons. Secondly his parties foreign policy is grossly outdated and zenophobic, not unlike all NATO countries. I would also take this space to remind everyone that blue house as well as orange red green and PC houses, without exception support palestinian genocide and gave standing ovations clapping like carnival seals for actual Natzi and neo Natzi.” @28 – myself. Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 30 2023 21:42 utc | 33 Finland has closed all its border points with Russia on the grounds of random muslim refugees arriving through those points. Even though 1. it’s Finland’s fault for ceasing their border agreements with Russia that previously had Russian border officials screening those refugees, 2. Finland can turn those refugees back at will but doesn’t, and 3. the same refugees are welcomed with open arms (and money, and apartments, and debauched, ugly, fat social workers ready to help them spend their first night in Finland) when they come over the western border with Sweden. Posted by: Michael A | Nov 30 2023 22:00 utc | 34 “The very existence of the Irish was felt as an affront by many Elizabethans…. Posted by: Ben Trovata | Nov 30 2023 22:04 utc | 35 Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 30 2023 19:22 utc | 23
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He does not explain the logic behind his conclusion. We directly elect everyone else, what is so special about Senators. Besides, even the oligarchy was for this reform. Why? Because the lobbying and bribing of state legislatures to be nominated Senator was grinding governments to a halt.
State’s rights? That turned out to be sedition and treason as the South fought Lincoln. Central power was needed to prevent the country from being splintered, to the benefit of Great Britain who played footsie with the Confederacy throughout the war. The south wanted to be a resource colony of GB. They were the wannabe neoliberal commpradors of their day.
That one he got right – not for centralization, but for privatization.
Oh, f-ing please. Every government that ever existed has had taxes. At the time of its creation, the tax brackets only hit the very well to do.
Total mischaracterization. Anachronistically backprojecting today’s imperial presidency and bureaucracy to the 1930s when the country was on the verge of falling apart for lack of government action. As for the powerlessness of the legislature, remind me how Taft-Hartley union busting was blocked by the bureaucracy. Posted by: john brewster | Nov 30 2023 22:05 utc | 36 Posted by: fnord | Nov 30 2023 21:08 utc | 30 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 30 2023 22:05 utc | 37 Posted by: Michael A | Nov 30 2023 22:00 utc | 34
That’s all of an orders newly declared after joining NATO. All borders closed means: Posted by: spare_truth2 | Nov 30 2023 22:12 utc | 38 “Hollywoodism: How the Jews invented Hollywood” — 1998 documentary posted at YouTube. Not only Hollywood — the American mythology. Shattering, ironic history, must-see from start to end. Posted by: Pundita | Nov 30 2023 22:19 utc | 39 ” China et al. need only wait for the US to decline and fall from internal causes. Posted by: Moonie | Nov 30 2023 23:04 utc | 40 ” Here is my prediction for Argentina. Argentina Households Debt To GDP currently sits at 4% of GDP. By the time this guy finishes it will be in double figures. Posted by: Moonie | Nov 30 2023 23:10 utc | 41 by Doctor Eleven | Nov 30 2023 17:44 utc | 19 Posted by: whirlX | Nov 30 2023 23:15 utc | 42 @ Moonie | Nov 30 2023 23:04 utc | 40 Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 30 2023 23:35 utc | 43 China has 700 road traffic deaths per day, 250,000 per year. This means the number of Ukrainian military deaths is similar to the number of Chinese road traffic deaths over the same period. Posted by: Passerby | Nov 30 2023 23:45 utc | 44 Posted by: canuck | Nov 30 2023 16:43 utc | 10 Posted by: Madmarc | Nov 30 2023 23:48 utc | 45 ” Sun Tzu — “the supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” Posted by: Moonie | Nov 30 2023 23:53 utc | 46 Mecouris would NEVER had said this in front of Michael Hudson when he was on the show. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Dec 1 2023 0:16 utc | 47 @Passerby – 2 Posted by: antiadz | Dec 1 2023 0:46 utc | 48 “The very existence of the Irish was felt as an affront by many Elizabethans…. Posted by: KMRIA | Dec 1 2023 0:56 utc | 49 What about the emergence of the capitalist class amidst the decline of the feudal empire? Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 1 2023 1:19 utc | 50 Madmarc@45….voting the same way every election and expecting change, well we know what that is a sign of. Madness to expect a change between a liberal and a conservative…..funniest part, you guys live in a fantasy world thinking, in Canada, your vote makes a difference. And Pollypants was WEF long before he pulled it off his web page. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Dec 1 2023 2:27 utc | 51 Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 1 2023 1:19 utc | 50 Posted by: Honzo | Dec 1 2023 2:45 utc | 52
Well, that was a robust response! Thank you. AAAND A NEW HORROR SHOW IS REARING ITS UGLY HEAD Posted by: ld | Dec 1 2023 4:03 utc | 54 “…President Lincoln’s war for the tariff destroyed states’ rights and led to the supremacy of centralized federal power over the states. Today what happens in specific states can be determined by votes in other states. Lincoln’s war lasted four years, and that was time enough for Lincoln to destroy the framework devised by the Founders…” Posted by: juliania | Dec 1 2023 4:25 utc | 55 Lincoln was very much a tyrant. That’s acindisputable. Posted by: Exile | Dec 1 2023 5:13 utc | 56 Posted by: Scorpion | Dec 1 2023 3:20 utc | 53 Posted by: john brewster | Dec 1 2023 5:54 utc | 57 Whitney Webb | AI-Powered Tyranny and all kinds of related things. A long but good discussion.
Which moves onto AI weapon stuff for the military eg https://www.anduril.com/ Transforming defense capabilities with advanced technology. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 1 2023 6:36 utc | 58 Lincoln was very much a tyrant. … A pernicious psychopath and a War Criminal of massive proportions … as were all who served in his cabinet and the military in senior leadership positions. Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 1 2023 6:43 utc | 59 are you a bot or an AI ? Posted by: Passerby | Dec 1 2023 7:31 utc | 60 No read all comments (kind of busy) only the first some and some later/”last” some. Got to post now or never. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Dec 1 2023 7:47 utc | 61 When asked a question about advertising on his platform by NYTs super establishment Journo Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 1 2023 8:12 utc | 62 @ Lavrov’s Dog et al. Posted by: DunGroanin | Dec 1 2023 8:18 utc | 63 Topic: Housing bubble USA: Posted by: Mr. Market | Dec 1 2023 8:22 utc | 64 Musk: “I will not be Blackmailed by Advertisers” Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2023 8:23 utc | 65 Lincoln was very much a tyrant. That’s acindisputable. Topic: Housing bubble USA: If Henry Kissinger had not existed, America would have to invent him Posted by: drew currah | Dec 1 2023 11:02 utc | 68 Canuck32. Go re read what I said. I called them ALL out not just your precious. Seems you have CONprehension. Calling others names and questioning their intellect because u dont think you like what they said is well….trumpian. im hyper aware of Canadas history w the banderites and their hero’s thanks for nothin. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Dec 1 2023 11:28 utc | 69 Posted by: john brewster | Nov 30 2023 22:05 utc | 36 Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 1 2023 11:47 utc | 70 Oh, f-ing please. Every government that ever existed has had taxes. At the time of its creation, the tax brackets only hit the very well to do. No, not every government that has ever existed has had taxes. Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2023 12:27 utc | 72 Lol. The amount of brainworms required for yanks to say that income tax is slavery. Not the first time I read it, either. Posted by: malenkov | Dec 1 2023 12:47 utc | 73 libertarian metaphors for taxation Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2023 12:56 utc | 74 Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2023 12:27 utc | 72 Posted by: Arganthonios | Dec 1 2023 13:22 utc | 75 @ Arganthonios | Dec 1 2023 13:22 utc | 75 Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2023 13:28 utc | 76 Posted by: Passerby | Dec 1 2023 7:31 utc | 60 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 1 2023 14:19 utc | 77 Most statements made here about the condition of the US economy are handicapped by the fact that most of the commentators are US citizens. Consequently, they have never read a word of Marx, and have no idea about his analysis of the capitalist system. Still, as long as they know that he was ‘a bad person’ who ‘wanted them to be enslaved’ and ‘lose their freedom’, as they’ve been told from on high, then all will be right with the world eventually, although we don’t know why. 🙁 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Dec 1 2023 14:29 utc | 78 OPEC (1960 FTA): AE, AO, CG, DZ, GA, GQ, IR, IQ, KW, LY, NG, SA, VZ; PLUS OM*, SD*, BN*, RU*, MX*, AZ*, KZ*, MY*, BH*, EC*, ID*, QA*, BR*
OPEC+ Agrees on Major Oil Production Slash, as Brazil Set to Join Cartel
primary source. 36th OPEC and non-OPEC Ministerial Meeting
IEA vibranium rolls over…
… this coffee and croissant “excess capacity” klatsch
landssakes, it’s a good goshdarn thing that “advanced economies” don’t want any steekin’ fossil fuel, AND proceeds from sales of less crude for more USD can “service” World Bank COP28 loss & damage financing—or not. That ol’ Muslim Brotherhood is sooo crafty! Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 1 2023 14:58 utc | 79 Round Two in the Demerara Uprising is under weigh: Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 17:30 utc | 80 Blinken actually spoke to the COP28 Conference today to take credit for U.S. programs addressing food insecurity.
HELP US HELP YOU HELP US: Outi Honkatukia, COP28 fund manager
April 2023 G7 Agriculture Minister’s Communiqué: Grain from Ukraine!
Opening speech by High Representative/Vice-President Josep Borrell, 6 Nov 2023
COP28 Creates Fund to Compensate Climate-Affected Countries, D1: 30 Nov 23:
eeevil pinkie ALERT
Secretary Antony J. Blinken At the UN Climate Conference, COP 28, Leaders Event: Transforming Food Systems in the Face of Climate Change
Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 1 2023 18:12 utc | 81 “Lavrov’s Presser in the Lion’s Den” at the end of the OSCE meeting in Skopje. His remarks at the conference yesterday are here for those who missed them, “Lavrov in the Lion’s Den–OSCE Skopje”. Scorpion’s PCR post has gotten people commenting on all kinds of libertarian tropes. (Such as people asserting that Lincoln was worse than Henry Kissinger.) Its impossible to address all these issues in a single post. So I’m going to address them one at a time.
as a total mischaracterization. It is worse than that. It is an outright lie.
Another horrible year, the 1905 Lochner decision that declared the SCOTUS could strike down any economic regulation.
This led to a 25 year period when no legislation bearing on working conditions could survive the SCOTUS. Even Chief Justice John Roberts said that “the court substituted its own judgment for the legislature’s findings”.
One last horrible year: Citizens United in 2010. Unlimited, anonymous bribery.
Are we clear that in a system set up by rich conservative landowners, the courts are there to preserve the privilege of the rich, not to support fair dealings with the non-rich? Its corporations and courts that have ruined this country, Posted by: john brewster | Dec 1 2023 18:33 utc | 83 For you Dune fans out there this, below, is a treat: “The Nabateans -the Final Days of Petra” “Are we clear that in a system set up by rich conservative landowners, the courts are there to preserve the privilege of the rich, not to support fair dealings with the non-rich? Its corporations and courts that have ruined this country,” Stick a fork into EV sales in the USA.
ref: https://www.ft.com/content/7d80627e-c6a6-4216-b4c8-275f089fc447 Posted by: too scents | Dec 1 2023 18:55 utc | 86 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 1 2023 6:43 utc | 59
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The Southern elites have been brigands and pirates from the day these British aristos landed in America. They are extractors (e.g. of slave labor), not producers. As the slaveowners grew bolder, they launched freebooting expeditions in Latin America.
That is, once again, Southern elitists flouted the law of the land and behaved like the pirates they are. Posted by: john brewster | Dec 1 2023 19:12 utc | 87 https://climatechangedispatch.com/new-study-natural-co2-emissions-nearly-six-times-higher-than-man-made-sources/
Anyone trying to understand the role that the US plays in the world ought to read John Kiriakou on the prison system. With 4% of the world population and 25% of the global total of incarcerated persons it is a curiosity that the US is constantly accusing other countries of human rights abuses. Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2023 23:27 utc | 89 “Lavrov’s Presser in the Lion’s Den” at the end of the OSCE meeting in Skopje. His remarks at the conference yesterday are here for those who missed them, “Lavrov in the Lion’s Den–OSCE Skopje”. Posted by: juliania | Dec 2 2023 0:27 utc | 90 @bevin Dobie Gray – Drift Away The world outside looks so unkind…Indeed. Happy Friday! Posted by: nathan in WA US | Dec 2 2023 1:42 utc | 92 Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 1 2023 6:36 utc | 58
You bolded Whitney Web there: she said that fusing civilian, private & military like China is straight up Fascism. Posted by: Antonym | Dec 2 2023 2:38 utc | 93 Xinhuanet has a posting up with the title
Because the non-ferrous metals, energy and chemicals markets have been historically highly manipulated by Western finance, the growth of China’s Shanghai Futures Exchange is a serious threat to ongoing price manipulation in all these areas. Gold , as I reported before, is one of those commodities where the Shanghai Futures Exchange price is significantly higher than the Western controlled London Exchange gold price. Posted by: psychohistorian | Dec 2 2023 6:43 utc | 94 This from the Ukraine Open Thread 2023-288:
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Thanks to bevin and W. Gruff for being alert. Posted by: waynorinorway | Dec 2 2023 7:06 utc | 95 john brewster | Dec 1 2023 19:12 utc | 86 Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Dec 2 2023 8:17 utc | 96 https://nitter.net/GodfreeTrh Posted by: MD | Dec 2 2023 12:53 utc | 97 CHINA’S DEBT TRAP AKA EMPIRE OF LIES FABRICATION Posted by: MD | Dec 2 2023 13:00 utc | 98 https://nitter.net/RealPepeEscobar/status/1730143968740995341#m Posted by: MD | Dec 2 2023 13:11 utc | 99 Earpiece and guide cards needing Biden in his la-la-land bubble! Posted by: MD | Dec 2 2023 13:30 utc | 100 |
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