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November 23, 2023
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2023-280
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Napoleon Bonaparte or Napoleon III? Posted by: Yadro | Nov 23 2023 14:10 utc | 2 I wonder, how long before we will get another MoA thread… for Taiwan/Pacific? Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 23 2023 14:10 utc | 3 Napoleon would have been considered a leftist by the standards of 1800, he certainly did away with serfdom and woth nobility privilege. Some of his proposals would be quite modern, such as rights of illegitimate offspring. Posted by: biochar | Nov 23 2023 14:14 utc | 4 before harassing food vendors, Seldowitz harassed female Russian diplomats, and the Russian Ambassador’s dog. Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 14:36 utc | 5 most of the international members of MOA eventually did not got an important movement in Germany: Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6 Great news for Germans. Posted by: malenkov | Nov 23 2023 15:05 utc | 7 @ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6 Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 23 2023 15:18 utc | 8 Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6 Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Nov 23 2023 15:27 utc | 9 Concerns, or thoughts, shared by anyone else regarding possible color revolt in USA? Posted by: Nothingburgers | Nov 23 2023 15:28 utc | 10 “Was Napoleon a leftist or a reactionary?” ZT@ 1 Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2023 15:41 utc | 11 Posted by: Nothingburgers | Nov 23 2023 15:28 utc | 10 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 15:43 utc | 12 He was a reforming visionary and arguably a despot. Beethoven’s reevaluation of Napoleon is likely a fairly common pattern amongst the good hearted thinking set of those days. Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 23 2023 15:43 utc | 13 Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6
Lol! Any competent professionals working there at the relevant departments? Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 23 2023 16:01 utc | 14 Re notion of “Left” and post-Napoleonic political movements in Germany and beyond, this volume 1 of the bio of Karl Marx discusses the political current in rather minute detail, Highly recommended. Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 23 2023 16:07 utc | 15 Europe appears to be dumping woke politicians in favor of so called far right. Geopoliticaly change without change. They continue as servants and vassals of the empire of lies. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 16:18 utc | 16 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 16:18 utc | 15 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 16:31 utc | 17 Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 16:32 utc | 18 ZH has a posting up with this update
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2023 16:38 utc | 19 Europe appears to be dumping woke politicians in favor of so called far right. Geopoliticaly change without change. They continue as servants and vassals of the empire of lies. Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2023 16:39 utc | 20 Last decade’s smoothed mean (the tight dotted line tracing the middle) shows that November is generally the month in which the world sea surface temperature (SST) attains its yearly minimum. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 23 2023 16:40 utc | 21 Hedge Fund short sellers sustained losses of approximately $43 billion over the past few days. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 16:41 utc | 22 Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 16:51 utc | 23 On social media there has been a lot of discussion in the last year about the political theory of a war between the two rival elite factions of the American establishment since the 1960s known as “The Yankee and Cowboy War,” and its current version and relationship with the Trump movement. Ex-member of the Trump admin, Mike Benz, has been leading the conversation on X with his many documented expositions on the “censorship industry” as part of that war. Posted by: kana | Nov 23 2023 17:02 utc | 24 https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/07/majority-of-americans-feeling-financially-stressed-and-living-paycheck-to-paycheck-according-to-cnbc-your-money-survey.html Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:10 utc | 25 “Europe appears to be dumping woke politicians in favor of so called far right. Geopoliticaly change without change. They continue as servants and vassals of the empire of lies.” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 17:15 utc | 26 Canada – EU summit starts today in Canada’s easternmost province on the shores of the Atlantic, Newfoundland. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 23 2023 17:18 utc | 27 This could also be considered relevant to the current Palestine issue, but it warrants a posting of its own in the open thread:
Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 17:20 utc | 28 CONCERNING HOLLAND/DUTCH’S ELECTION RESULTS Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:21 utc | 29 @ ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6 Posted by: james | Nov 23 2023 17:33 utc | 30 China’s carbon emissions Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:33 utc | 31 Actually calling the SPD and the Greens ” left wing “. Is a very common tactic to ensure that you don’t have to look in a mirror and see the real culprit staring right back you. Question how you voted yourself for the last 50 years that caused this mess. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 17:38 utc | 32 @ Lurk | Nov 23 2023 17:20 utc | 28 Posted by: james | Nov 23 2023 17:39 utc | 33 @MD | Nov 23 2023 17:21 utc | 29
In the context of the Dutch political landscape, it is. PVV is now the largest political party. No party in the Netherlands ever has been able to form a majority govenment on its own, there are always coalitions of multiple (three or more) parties. This has been especially the case in recent decades, where the number of parties has tripled compared to the 1990’s and the number of seats alotted to each party has decreased accordingly. Actually, 37 seats in parliament is as good as it gets in the dutch second chamber of parliament and it makes PVV by far the biggest party. It is now extremely difficult to form a coalition government without Wilders. Additonally, if PVV becomes part of any coalition, Wilders, as leader of the biggest party, has the traditional claim to premiership. Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 17:41 utc | 34 SUCH A DAILY PEST IN THE U.S.A Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:44 utc | 35 I wrote this song a while back but it seems even more pertinent looking forward Posted by: ld | Nov 23 2023 17:58 utc | 36 BAERBOCK(FOREIGN MINISTER OF GERMANY) NEVER DISAPPOINTS, LOL.. Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:59 utc | 37 @1 Was Napoleon a leftist or a reactionary? Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 23 2023 18:12 utc | 38 JUST YESTERDAY I’VE READ AN PRINT ARTICLE ABOUT THE SORRY STATE OF MANY NYC’S SUBWAY STATIONS AKA ROTTEN… Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 18:26 utc | 39 Saw this quote from Marx: “The peasant was a Bonapartist because the Great Revolution, with all its benefits to him, was, in his eyes, personified in Napoleon.” Posted by: ZT | Nov 23 2023 18:41 utc | 40 (In reply to @Jonathan W | Nov 23 2023 18:10 utc | 48 in the Palestine thread) Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 18:53 utc | 41 Breaking Dutch News … @ 31 LOL Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 23 2023 19:08 utc | 43 Oui | Nov 23 2023 19:01 utc | 42 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 19:16 utc | 44 Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 18:53 utc | 41 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 23 2023 19:21 utc | 45 Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 23 2023 19:08 utc | 43 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 19:22 utc | 46 Golddigger | Nov 23 2023 19:08 utc | 43 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 19:24 utc | 47 Nobody here on MoA takes my point that all the politicians involved in the Palestinian catastrophe are all on the same side , playing the same power games against us normal citizens. Posted by: Baile | Nov 23 2023 19:31 utc | 48 for the first time, humans are driving climate change. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 19:53 utc | 49 Regardles of reason for climate change which is happening, what the world needs to deal with its affects is peace and common cause to help nations greatly affected by it. Agricultural areas may well change, but total world production of food can easily support the population of the world and will do so regardless of mild climate change. Some very low lying islands will go under water, some low areas of other countries will become uninhabitable as has been extremely common throughout human history both to sea level rise and land sinking, but what is most needed is some form of global unity in helping those affected. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 20:02 utc | 50 The sooner it collapses the better. Posted by: jpc | Nov 23 2023 20:04 utc | 51 @ Bemildred | Nov 23 2023 16:39 utc | 20 Posted by: cirsium | Nov 23 2023 20:23 utc | 52 A fantastic example of the left and right talking past each other. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 20:39 utc | 53 re: allegedly rising sea levels Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 23 2023 20:42 utc | 54 On Wilders connections to Israel Posted by: willie | Nov 23 2023 20:58 utc | 55 @ Bemildred | Nov 23 2023 16:39 utc | 20 Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2023 20:59 utc | 56 For anyone interested, I am documenting the current Separatist Catalan developments in Spain from my Substack. Posted by: Baile | Nov 23 2023 21:00 utc | 57 Don Bacon @54 Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 23 2023 21:14 utc | 58 Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 18:53 utc | 41 Posted by: Passerby | Nov 23 2023 21:15 utc | 59 There are other ways. There will be. We have to enlarge of frame of vision. Inner jihad. Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 23 2023 21:19 utc | 60 Just heard about the Napoleon movie today, Ridley Scott has been on a downward trajectory for a long while, I stopped watching movies, last couple of years it’s been one let down after another, most recent films are cringe worthy, just part of the crapification of everything and another indicator we are living in a full blown dictatorship – the culture is crap because that’s all that’s allowed now. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2023 21:28 utc | 61 In this sense, he was the first modern autocrat, much like Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 23 2023 21:44 utc | 62 “Freedom for people to gather as they feel. Catalunya seems a nation to me.” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 21:57 utc | 63 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 19:53 utc | 49 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 22:55 utc | 64 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2023 21:28 utc | 61 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 22:58 utc | 65 robinthehood | Nov 23 2023 21:19 utc | 60 Posted by: Mercury | Nov 23 2023 23:01 utc | 66 November 2023, however, is far above last January’s minimum, roughly equal to March 2022’s maximum (the orange line) at 20.8 C. No geophysical metric is more weighty than SST, in a grave state for geophysicians to contemplate. Vital signs are absolutely whacked and our tired old earth is cooked. Posted by: kupkee | Nov 23 2023 23:49 utc | 67 Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Nov 23 2023 15:27 utc | 9 Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 23 2023 23:53 utc | 68 The Modi mouthpiece rag India Today posted withput comment two articles about the New York bigot who was arrested for his anti Palestine rant. If that creature had been Indian the zionist worshipping Modi regime would have already begun arrangements to make him a candidate from its party for next year’s elections. Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 23 2023 23:54 utc | 69 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2023 21:28 utc | 61
—- Posted by: john brewster | Nov 24 2023 0:11 utc | 70 Alastair Crooke’s writing on eschatological and Manichean considerations in relation to geopolitics got me contemplating other hidden motivators to it all. One thought – Yuval Noah Harari, in his book “Homo Deus”, posited humanism as the “next” religion. The energy going into wokeness, and the like, I view as evidence of this growing “humanism” as religion. “Go woke, go broke” makes no logical sense, so there must be something else driving it all along. And in part the drive may well be unconscious efforts to fill the gap that comes from an underlying existential vacuum. Posted by: Tas | Nov 24 2023 0:30 utc | 71 A report in the Guardian newspaper reveals that King Charles III and his predecessors have been furtively but effectively stealing money and assets from the deceased in Lancashire / south Cumbria and Cornwall. Posted by: Cynic | Nov 24 2023 0:46 utc | 72 MMA/UFC Star Conor McGregor declares “Ireland is at War” after an illegal alien violent felon attacks a Catholic school in Dublin sparking a night of rioting in North Central Dublin…….Garda were overwhelmed and buses and trams torched……the HIExpress was also torched….. Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 24 2023 0:48 utc | 73 For all its faults (and there are many) America, the US of A, celebrates a feast called Thanksgiving once a year. (I know there are many similar others, sometimes held more often, in a thankful way – in all faiths and nations that are special to them.) This one is special to me; I have been back in my home country, my native land, on this day, and I have missed the American Thanksgiving day so very much. I think for me it is uniquely special, a day for families all across the land coming together. Not a church day, not a day for gift buying or giving or receiving, but a day of giving thanks, just that. Posted by: juliania | Nov 24 2023 1:22 utc | 74 juliania | Nov 24 2023 1:22 utc | 74
Thanks juliania, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours. Posted by: jonku | Nov 24 2023 2:55 utc | 75 Posted by: james | Nov 23 2023 17:33 utc | 30 Posted by: juliania | Nov 24 2023 3:41 utc | 76 Posted by: Tas | Nov 24 2023 0:30 utc | 71 fyi: Posted by: tawharanui | Nov 24 2023 4:19 utc | 78 A stabbing at a school in Dublin by a an immigrant who may have suffered a “a psychotic episode”. The incident sparked violence by “far-right” elements. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 24 2023 5:06 utc | 79 @79 jonathan w Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 24 2023 5:36 utc | 80 @ bevin @ tawharanui @ canuck | Nov 23 2023 12:54 utc | 326 (prior palestine thread) Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 24 2023 5:44 utc | 81 Tobias Cole | Nov 24 2023 0:48 utc | 73 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 24 2023 5:48 utc | 82 pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 22:55 utc | 64 “well agree to disagree i guess.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 24 2023 5:55 utc | 83 A little more on Coal and why eliminating coal. Like the “Climate Change fools want to do is a very bad brainless idea. Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 24 2023 6:16 utc | 84 @Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 24 2023 5:44 utc | 81 Posted by: tawharanui | Nov 24 2023 6:19 utc | 85 The Dublin incident has been attributed to a psychotic episode. As soon as you hear this kind of medicalization of an issue you know something is wrong. Why are these people with mental problems allowed to roam the streets if they are immigrants? Everyone remembers a time when these “episodes” did not happen in the open with such devastating consequences and with such regularity. You don’t even have to be a conspiracy theorist. Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 24 2023 7:09 utc | 86
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2023 21:28 utc | 61 Posted by: joey_n | Nov 24 2023 8:58 utc | 87 “I’ve found it really helpful getting past manipulative and biased political/economic ideologies and MEDIA articles, by finding people like these and then searching for the open research papers — google scholar etc — or book extracts etc.” Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 24 2023 9:03 utc | 88 Article on Runaway Interest Costs and implications for Federal Gov’t Posted by: Exile | Nov 24 2023 9:18 utc | 89 Libertarian in all right wing blogs means first you have to choose the correct religion. No other will do. The bankers and businesses will be in charge and that the population ( you and me ) are just factors of production to be shifted around, like ingots of steel, as businesses and banks demand. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 24 2023 9:25 utc | 90 john brewster @70: “The historical innacuracies (not just because the wokesters want gays and blacks openly participating in the racist societies of the early 1900s or even earlier) are off-putting.” Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 24 2023 10:39 utc | 91 Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 24 2023 7:09 utc | 86 Posted by: Passerby | Nov 24 2023 11:16 utc | 92 Update Germany: Posted by: ableman | Nov 24 2023 12:54 utc | 93 The Rishi Sunak government this week announced its decision,to hand the management of all NHS England patient records to Palantir, a tech company whose client list includes the US military, intelligence agencies and ICE, as well as the armed forces of the UK, Israel and other western countries. Posted by: ld | Nov 24 2023 13:20 utc | 94 Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2023 15:41 utc | 11 Posted by: Exile | Nov 24 2023 9:18 utc | 89 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 24 2023 16:36 utc | 96 Posted by: Exile | Nov 24 2023 9:18 utc | 89 Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 24 2023 16:46 utc | 97 Derek Henry, Posted by: Exile | Nov 24 2023 18:05 utc | 98 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 24 2023 5:48 utc | 82 Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 24 2023 19:37 utc | 99 Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 24 2023 10:39 utc | 91
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