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Was Napoleon a leftist or a reactionary?

Posted by: ZT | Nov 23 2023 14:04 utc | 1

Napoleon Bonaparte or Napoleon III?
Leftist/reactionary for his time or in a modern sense?

Posted by: Yadro | Nov 23 2023 14:10 utc | 2

I wonder, how long before we will get another MoA thread... for Taiwan/Pacific?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Nov 23 2023 14:10 utc | 3

Napoleon would have been considered a leftist by the standards of 1800, he certainly did away with serfdom and woth nobility privilege. Some of his proposals would be quite modern, such as rights of illegitimate offspring.
But he was not quite as leftist as his predecesors. He backed down on abolition of slavery and independence for Haiti, for example. In that sense he was also a reactionary.

Posted by: biochar | Nov 23 2023 14:14 utc | 4

before harassing food vendors, Seldowitz harassed female Russian diplomats, and the Russian Ambassador's dog.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 14:36 utc | 5

most of the international members of MOA eventually did not got an important movement in Germany:
1) the "Ampel" coalition of social democrats, greens and liberals are in full stopp mode due the shutdown of all government spending.
2) The shutdown was sparked by a jugdment of the "Bundesverfassungsgericht" (Federal Constitutional Court) that - simplyfied - shut down the tricky way of creating new federal debt due the declaration of emergency state - outmaneuvering all debt limiting laws. The government tried to move money (60 bln) from corona help - fond to "climate & transformation fond" - what is now forbidden. Moreover, all other "emergency" fonds are on hold cause they are not constitutional legitimated.
3) The green- leftist government is now under tremendeous pressure and will not survive. That indicates the end of all green/left/WEF/transformation fantasies will have an end.
Great news for Germans.

Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6

Great news for Germans.

Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6


In other words, Große Koalition. BOHICA! SSDD.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 23 2023 15:05 utc | 7

@ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6

Thank you for explaining what is going on in Germany. It would be nice if you could post an update onlike that from time to time.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 23 2023 15:18 utc | 8

Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6

Vielen Dank for your input. Let´'s hope this is the beginning of the end of the Ampel coalition!

For anyone interested, I am documenting the current Separatist Catalan developments in Spain from my Substack.

Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Nov 23 2023 15:27 utc | 9

Concerns, or thoughts, shared by anyone else regarding possible color revolt in USA?
Now 2yrs. after the Black lives matter protests, there was a coalition protest at the APEC meetings in CA, it seemed very similar to the Yellow Vest, in its all-over-the-place character, as per the news coverage, but I assume it is roughly the same actors as the BLM —reactionary types and such. The BLM, which had all the hallmarks of a color revolt as I understand it, is it gone for good, is it over? — or, still lurking in the shadows.
Anyone else?

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Nov 23 2023 15:28 utc | 10

"Was Napoleon a leftist or a reactionary?" ZT@ 1
He was neither. Many on the left though came to regret his defeat because it led to the restoration of reactionaries and the loss of some of the reforms imposed by the Revolutionary armies.
Heine, famously, was a fan of Napoleon as was Hazlitt.
I think it was Heine who said something to the effect that all Bonaparte's enemies came to a bad end and then gives as his third example that so and so was now teaching at a Danish University.
Napoleon just came to look good in comparison with what took his place- in France and elsewhere.
He was a terrible racist not only did he cause the deaths of large numbers of Haitians and Frenchmen by attempting to restore slavery but, when he had failed he sold Louisiana to the United States with the result that the mixed race and Afro American population was consigned, over the years, into the horrors of slavery and Jim Crow.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2023 15:41 utc | 11

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Nov 23 2023 15:28 utc | 10

the jackbooted government thugs are still executing black people and white people in the USA, and stealing their property. is that what you're talking about. jackbooted government thugs in Israel, the US, Ukraine all the same.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 15:43 utc | 12

He was a reforming visionary and arguably a despot. Beethoven’s reevaluation of Napoleon is likely a fairly common pattern amongst the good hearted thinking set of those days.

Left, as a political concept, (iirc) came into existence in Germany in 19th century.

This happened after Napoleon.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 23 2023 15:43 utc | 13

Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6

Important development indeed. For a good source in English, there is this.

The Ampel koalition did a sloppy job. The court found their simplistic arguments easy to dismiss:

Firstly, there was no convincing link between the new allocation of the funds and the original goal. Secondly, there was a significant gap between the time when the emergency-related debt was incurred and the period when it was to have been spent. Thirdly, the retroactive effect of the decision (the amendment to the 2021 budget) was adopted in February 2022, and so after the end of the fiscal year.

Lol! Any competent professionals working there at the relevant departments?

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Nov 23 2023 16:01 utc | 14

Re notion of “Left” and post-Napoleonic political movements in Germany and beyond, this volume 1 of the bio of Karl Marx discusses the political current in rather minute detail, Highly recommended.

Karl Marx and the Birth of Modern Society: The Life of Marx and the Development of His Work, Michael Heinrich, 2019

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 23 2023 16:07 utc | 15

Europe appears to be dumping woke politicians in favor of so called far right. Geopoliticaly change without change. They continue as servants and vassals of the empire of lies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 16:18 utc | 16

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 16:18 utc | 15

yeah wake me up when just one european nation blames the US for the assault on the German pipeline.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 16:31 utc | 17

Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6

I posted it on the weekly catch up thread.


"The German debt brake, which the German government decided to honor,and write into their constitution has now become a big problem. Government spending will have to be cut by 60 billion. Germany already is in a recession, the Eurozone close to one. The macroeconomic mismanagement seen here (🇩🇪) is unprecedented."

This is the standard framing and narrative but don't be fooled by the smoke and mirrors. See link.

Which is an absolute disgrace really when a less important nation, in the overall EU mix, tries the same thing or just happens to need fiscal support, the rules become iron-clad and are enforced with a brutally that one can only guess is the work of sociopaths. See Greece and Italy for details.

Modern day EU run by a bunch of gangsters.

And the Remainers in Britain want to desperately be part of it so, presumably, they can be part of “Protecting our European Way of Life”, which is the new title given by incoming EC President Ursula von der Leyen. Total mugs each and everyone of them. While suffering from Stockholm syndrome combined with battered wife syndrome they will defend the EU to the day they die. They make ideologues and idiots look clever.

Who have convinced themselves by learning voodoo and tarot card reading, that they can change the EU from within. When the glaring reality is they can't even change the power structures in their own countries. Never mind all of the countries within this upper class table shit show.

So looks like you are playing catch up and once again fell for the propaganda ableman?

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 16:32 utc | 18

ZH has a posting up with this update

Update (1910ET): Today's Niagara Falls checkpoint explosion just took an unexpected turn.

What started out with Fox News reporting a terrorism incident involving explosives is now believed to be the fault of a 56-year-old man who lived in a wealthy area, went to a casino after KISS canceled its farewell-tour dates in Ottawa and Toronto, and then drove his $300,000 (after taxes) Bentley Excelsior X into the border checkpoint, killing himself and his wife.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 23 2023 16:38 utc | 19

Europe appears to be dumping woke politicians in favor of so called far right. Geopoliticaly change without change. They continue as servants and vassals of the empire of lies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 16:18 utc | 16

None of these turkeys appears to be likely/able to do anything positive, just actors playing reactionary sheep-dogs, or clones of Zelensky.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2023 16:39 utc | 20

Last decade's smoothed mean (the tight dotted line tracing the middle) shows that November is generally the month in which the world sea surface temperature (SST) attains its yearly minimum.

November 2023, however, is far above last January's minimum, roughly equal to March 2022's maximum (the orange line) at 20.8 C. No geophysical metric is more weighty than SST, in a grave state for geophysicians to contemplate. Vital signs are absolutely whacked and our tired old earth is cooked.

On a possibly unrelated note, Waterloo now declines to the third-worst indignity Napoleon ever suffered, behind Joaquin Phoenix and Ridley Scott.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 23 2023 16:40 utc | 21

Hedge Fund short sellers sustained losses of approximately $43 billion over the past few days.

The Monetarists, the zombies who don't understand money due to their gold standard, fixed exchange rate models.

Those idiots who have been predicting a collapse for 3 years now and masterbate over M2. Got their arses served to them on a plate.

Who's going to buy the bonds.✓

America is screwed if other countries don't buy their bonds ✓

The public debt is unsustainable.✓

Deficits are the devil.✓

All from the same psychosis and have just learned a very painful lesson. They should learn how money actually works and stop masturbating over M2.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 16:41 utc | 22

Posted by: ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6

If you think the SPD and the Greens are on the left. I have a bridge to sell you. Where on earth have you been for the last 50 years. Living in a cave ?

Or festering in some right wing social media blog learning the " buzzwords " - WEF, net zero, money printing caused inflation, Marxists, tax cuts for the rich ? As they preached propaganda to your confirmation biases?

"SPD and the Greens are on the left." Dearie me not even in Walt Disney's wildest fantasies.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 16:51 utc | 23

On social media there has been a lot of discussion in the last year about the political theory of a war between the two rival elite factions of the American establishment since the 1960s known as "The Yankee and Cowboy War," and its current version and relationship with the Trump movement. Ex-member of the Trump admin, Mike Benz, has been leading the conversation on X with his many documented expositions on the “censorship industry” as part of that war.

"The following tells the details on the history of the Cowboy and Yankee War between the two main factions of American elites in the 1960s-70s, how it then changed and merged to become the Uniparty, and where we are today with their war against the neo-Cowboy Trump movement." From: The Uniparty and Cowboy War

Posted by: kana | Nov 23 2023 17:02 utc | 24

The survey, which polled over 4,000 adults in the U.S., finds that three quarters of working Americans (74%) say they are stressed about their personal finances these days, which is slightly higher than the last Your Money survey (70%), and more than half of Americans (61%) consider themselves to be “living paycheck to paycheck,” up from 58% in March of this year.

Seven in 10 American workers say they would need an annual salary of no more than $150,000 a year to feel financially comfortable.

However, the survey reveals that homeowners feel significantly less financial stress than those who do not own a home with only thirty percent of homeowners saying they are “very stressed” compared to almost half of those who do not own a home (46%)...

...Even as credit card debt tops $1 trillion, nearly all shoppers will overspend their holiday budget, a TD Bank survey found.

The Inconvenient Truth:

Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:10 utc | 25

"Europe appears to be dumping woke politicians in favor of so called far right. Geopoliticaly change without change. They continue as servants and vassals of the empire of lies."

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 16:18 utc | 16

Voters Recklessly moving from one con trick to another. They are as thick as mince you see. Ideologues and idiots.

All running into the arms of The right that caused all of this mess in the first place. When they used disco lights and a few fireworks and sang ode to joy. When they changed their official money story as the Berlin Wall was put on wheels. As the flock cheered.

They'll just end up getting bailed out by the state as per usual. Their ideology will be found wanting and come up short while the lower classes suffer. A story as old as the hills.

Destroy government and take us all back to the libertarian wild West when a big landowner was in charge and owned the sheriff and the church. Tax cuts will take us all to the promised land of Eutopia. Tax cuts for the rich is all we need they cry.

In their ideological fantasy - Business and banks will always get first choice of skills and real resources and government has to make do with the scraps. They believe the bankers and businesses should be in charge in the libertarian wild West and that the population ( you and me ) are just factors of production to be shifted around, like ingots of steel, as the business and banks requires.

Good luck with that ! history has taught us a 1000 times how it all ends.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 17:15 utc | 26

Canada - EU summit starts today in Canada’s easternmost province on the shores of the Atlantic, Newfoundland.

(From Trudeau’s office at the end of Oct, announcing the summit)

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 23 2023 17:18 utc | 27

This could also be considered relevant to the current Palestine issue, but it warrants a posting of its own in the open thread:

As a result of this week's parliamentary elections in the Netherlands, far right demagogue Geert Wilders and his political pseudo-party PVV won a landslide victory. After years of shunning by all other political parties, in a turn of events, Wilders is suddenly considered as a potential prime minister.

Wilders and his PVV has, ever since his defection from the neoliberal VVD party, been portrayed in all Dutch media as a boogy-man. He is an enemy they love to hate. Effectively, he and his party are gatekeepers of popular dissent. While publicly distancing themselves from him and his political stance, the Dutch establishment loves him and his role privately.

The real problems with Geert Wilders and the PVV are never mentioned in the Dutch media.

For starters, the PVV is not a real political party, it has no real members and neither does it have an internal democratic structure. Instead, it has only one member, Geert Wilders. He alone is the dictator of the PVV. Party finances are unclear and over the years many allegations have been made of dubious foreign financial influence, particularly from zionist groups in the USA and Israel.

The real bombshell is Wilders' close ties with Israel, Israeli politicians and Israeli secret services. A very damning affidavit was made by a Dutch couplemr and mrs. Kwint - de Roos, in which they relate statements made by a drunk Geert Wilders at a Christmas party organized by the VVD, when Wilders was still a member of parliament for the VVD.

More detailed information, including a copy of the affidavit, can be found at but unfortunately this is probably Dutch to most barflies. A limited translation in English can be found at . A half decent translation of the Kwint - de Roos affidavit can also be found there, but I'll paste it herefor the ease of reading:


This declaration relates to a statement made by mr G Wilders (GW) to his table lady Mrs M.B. Kwint-de Roos, at the end of the traditional Christmas dinner of the VVD -faction in the old building of the 2nd Chamber in 1991. Although these revelations were made after alcohol consumption, the importance is nevertheless very considerable and alarming, especially with the coming elections in 2010. A Dutch politician / party leader as informant of the foreign intelligence service needs to be questioned and heard, according to my opinion, should not have access to sensitive information of strategic and or economic nature.

Mrs M.B. Kwint-de Roos was a employee of the VVD fraction in the second chamber from 1983 to 1996.

Hereby the undersigned M.B. Kwint-de Roos (MBK) and J.A.W.F. Kwint (JAK) declare the following: After the music ceased several VVD members, personal colleagues and some members of the party had some chats and sang songs.

GW felt it necessary to whisper in the ear of MBK Israel songs with exchange of privat matter which are presented below in short.

GW is a son of a Dutch Indian father and a Dutch Jewish mother.

GW was recruited by a Israeli intelligence service, got a tough education in Israel and in the process was even tortured.

GW, during a Christmas holiday, was driving in an old Volkswagen on his own through the Syrian desert!

GW has a Durch passport as well as an Israeli passport.

GW’s Carreer, is not made by himself but stipulated by others. It is going that far, that in accordance to him, even the divorce of his earlier marriage as well as his new marriage have been ‘arranged’. GW supported these claims by saying. ” Why do you think i came here and I become a member of the parlement!” I am still young, first Hoogervorst, after him me, and I do not have to do anything at all.

When MKB noted that JAK, in the grey past, also had contacts with the secret service, GW became suddenly sober and uttered the following thread!

“If you ever mention this conversation, it will be very dangerous for you and your husband”

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 17:20 utc | 28


People claiming Wilders won a landslide victory appear to either not understand he has won a projected 35 seats, 41 short of a majority and equating to 23% of the vote. Or alternatively acknowledging that doesn't suit their own agenda.

That's not a landslide victory.

In terms of the Dutch election there are now claims that Omtzigt, with 20 seats, would consider entering into a coalition with Wilders who is now expected to take 37 seats. If that was to be the case it would take the number in a coalition to 57 seats, still 19 short of that needed to form a majority government.

Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:21 utc | 29

@ ableman | Nov 23 2023 14:50 utc | 6

thanks for that and for drawing out more commentary on this too... i share @ Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 16:18 utc | 16, pretzelattack and bemildreds response to all this... it seems to matter not... look at what has happened in argentina.. people are sucked in regularly and the leadership of the world here today is so ''off course'' as to define an absence of leadership as opposed to leadership.. its pathetic and i am not sure what is to be done to change any of it..

until we learn how to function as a community, both locally and globally, we are indeed screwed... we are a long ways from figuring it out.. in fact, one could argue we've gotten more disconnected and uprooted then at any time in the past 1000 years.. whether this has to do with the increase in technology, or the breakdown of community - take your pick... our world is being run by psychopaths and sociopaths seeking power who have no interest in creating a better world.. instead they are ruining what we have had..


happy thanksgiving to my american friends here... you have to suffer having a holiday at the wrong time of the year if you live anywhere in the colder, northern part of the usa where traveling and snow storms don't gel.. i suppose it's okay in the south... regardless - happy thanksgiving to you all..

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2023 17:33 utc | 30

China’s carbon emissions

Arnaud Bertrand

"China’s carbon emissions
have either peaked already or will do this winter, 7 years ahead of schedule... The country’s target of net zero by 2060 is likely to be achieved a decade earlier than previously assumed, and perhaps earlier than in Europe."

Xi has committed to transform China into an "ecological civilization" and he's delivering like no other country on earth. As the article points out, "he was green long before it became fashionable" (reminding that he was already advocating for green transition 20 years ago) and China is transforming on a "scale [that] is staggering": "China accounts for 60% of all new solar and wind power being installed across the world this year". Just in solar the country will add 210 GW of capacity this year alone, which is "twice the entire solar capacity installed in the US to date" 🤯

You'd have been laughed out of the room for saying this even 10 years ago but it's now crystal clear that China is leading the world in our common fight against climate change. Which frankly actually worries me because I wouldn't be surprised if China's position of leadership led to increasing climate change denialism by petty populists in the West, with arguments of the type "this climate change thing is a Chinese hoax to make us dependent on them"... when the truth is simply that we're much less competent and slower in leading the necessary transition...

Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:33 utc | 31

Actually calling the SPD and the Greens " left wing ". Is a very common tactic to ensure that you don't have to look in a mirror and see the real culprit staring right back you. Question how you voted yourself for the last 50 years that caused this mess.

I've spoken at many a SPD meeting in Germany. I know the smell of liberals when I meet them. The smell stays with you for quite a while. A bit like a fish but less honest.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 17:38 utc | 32

@ Lurk | Nov 23 2023 17:20 utc | 28

very interesting lurk.. thanks for sharing that... geert wilders seems like a real wild card... sun/venus/pluto conjunction in his chart speaks of real power lurking right below the surface.. i wonder what his future plans are, or the future plans they have for him are?

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2023 17:39 utc | 33

@MD | Nov 23 2023 17:21 utc | 29

That's not a landslide victory.

In the context of the Dutch political landscape, it is. PVV is now the largest political party. No party in the Netherlands ever has been able to form a majority govenment on its own, there are always coalitions of multiple (three or more) parties. This has been especially the case in recent decades, where the number of parties has tripled compared to the 1990's and the number of seats alotted to each party has decreased accordingly. Actually, 37 seats in parliament is as good as it gets in the dutch second chamber of parliament and it makes PVV by far the biggest party. It is now extremely difficult to form a coalition government without Wilders. Additonally, if PVV becomes part of any coalition, Wilders, as leader of the biggest party, has the traditional claim to premiership.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 17:41 utc | 34

Manipulation by corporate press attempts:

This is a good example !!! of the FT misrepresenting economics in order to fit a narrative !!!

The author says "China’s rise is reversing" because "the nation’s share of global GDP" has been dropping for 2 years. He highlights that his calculations are based on "nominal GDP unadjusted for inflation" which to him is "the measure that most accurately captures a nation’s relative economic strength."

Which is highly misleading... The whole reason why many economists, including institutions like the IMF or the World Bank, do not like to compare countries based on nominal GDP is for the very reason it makes it look like China's GDP is reversing right now... because the US has been suffering from very high inflation (when China didn't) which forced it to increase interest rates (China didn't), which strengthened the USD relative to the RMB. Hardly a sign of economic strength... If it was, Argentina's economy would be soaring...

It's much more accurate to compare countries' GDP based on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) which reduces currency exchange bias and reflects actual relative living standards of different countries. And when you look at China's share of global GDP based on PPP, here are the numbers (pictured, extracted from the IMF database:…):
- 2020: China is 18.3% of global GDP, the US is 15.78%
- 2021: China 18.51%, US 15.74%
- 2022: China 18.44%, US 15.54%
- 2023: China 18.82%, US 15.42%

In other words, China's share of global GDP continues to rise and the US's continues to drop.

The FT's author concludes his article with "no matter what Xi does, his nation’s share in the global economy is likely to decline for the foreseeable future. It’s a post-China world now." I would bet the exact contrary...

Arnaud Bertrand
Entrepreneur. Previously HouseTrip (sold to TripAdvisor), now

Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:44 utc | 35

I wrote this song a while back but it seems even more pertinent looking forward

Divided We Fall

Don't hide amongst the herd
don't look the other way
and don't believe a single word
of what they have to say.
Better speak out while you can
better formulate a plan
cuz this may be your final chance
to stand against The Man.

We feel the velvet chains
grow shorter every day
and as of late they take less pains
to hide their power play.
They are silencing our voice
they control our every move
pushing tyranny not choice
they want most of us removed

We must put antipathy aside
if we hope to change the course
we must cross the great divide
and join each other as one force.
It's time to oppose
those upon the throne
and take away their power
because they wish to own
the souls of those who meekly stand
divided and alone

Won't you stand with me Brother
Won't you join me in the Fight
Shoulder to shoulder
It's time to set things right.
Together we can do it
Together we are strong
Together we will shift the tide
The Battle has begun.

Posted by: ld | Nov 23 2023 17:58 utc | 36

Helga Zepp-LaRouche
"Saying that the weapons must remain silent is not the job of politics," explains #Grünen Foreign Minister #Baerbock to DW.
"-- Completely incorrect staffing in the Foreign Office. For how much longer?!"


Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 17:59 utc | 37

@1 Was Napoleon a leftist or a reactionary?

Neither a leftist nor a reactionary. Napoleon was a pure product of the century of enlightenment. He was a believer in reason, and fell for the fallacy that all issues should be solved in rational and unified ways across a whole continent. And since he thought his brains were superior to anybody else's, and France was superior to other countries, it was his rational duty to impose his will on France, and France's will on Europe.

In this sense, he was the first modern autocrat, much like Macron and the current American bullshiters. He really believed that whatever he thought was right. That people would end up understanding he was right, and following him. It never dawned on him that other people had brains too, let alone hearts and interests that differed from his. He was so forceful in his vision of things that France is still running on many of his innovations, like the "Prefectures" or the legal code. The Russians, (them again !) understood what a vain man he was, and how they could destroy him by appealing to his ego and luring him all the way to Moscou, which they let him conquer rather easily. And that was his undoing.

Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 23 2023 18:12 utc | 38


Today I dicovered those pictures of new subway stations in Moscow.

ABTW those 'other' SW stations in Moscow do look quite nice or great, pretty much everwhere!
Search yourself...

Posted by: MD | Nov 23 2023 18:26 utc | 39

Saw this quote from Marx: “The peasant was a Bonapartist because the Great Revolution, with all its benefits to him, was, in his eyes, personified in Napoleon.”

Bonapartism strikes me as a kind pro-peasant nationalism/populism that was the logical outcome of the 1790s liberal Thermidorian castration of the revolutionary "Left."

Perhaps the new wave of anti-globalisty/anti-elite "authoritarian" populists (including Trump/Orban/Putin etc) are really Bonapartists rather than fascists as they are often labelled by elites.

Because, if we're honest, isnt Trump really a leftist rather than a reactionary (at least rhetoricall)?

Posted by: ZT | Nov 23 2023 18:41 utc | 40

(In reply to @Jonathan W | Nov 23 2023 18:10 utc | 48 in the Palestine thread)

Just read the affidavit quoted in the link. It's a bit more serious than "some say". The affidavit relates Wilders's own words, stating exactly that what you pooh-pooh with "some say".

Otherwise I generally agree that Wilders basically capitalizes on popular discontent, initially about (mostly Moroccan) slum youths, and at present about asylum seekers. Some of his followers falsely believe that Wilders cares about social themes, but given his obvious neoliberal background and links to neocon zionists, that is just very unlikely to happen ever.

Wilders spews a lot of vitriol about muslims, but that is his zionist programming at work. Dutch voters in general don't care much at all about muslims or islam, it's a remote issue to most that, if at all, matters by weak association.

The typical Wilders voter is of lower class and is suffering from decades of neoliberal policies in the Netherlands. Migrants, who come as latest additions to the lower class, are a scape goat for this, and a very visual characteristic of many migrants is a muslim background.

In fact the only Dutch voters who really take issue with islam are the kooky evangelical fundamentalists, but they have their own party, and perhaps also some Dutch jews, as open antisemitism is quite common among muslim immigrants who lack decades of holocaust education/indoctrination.

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 18:53 utc | 41

Breaking Dutch News …

NeXiT the Trump Era of Dutch PM Wilders

Polls were wrong, I predicted this outcome a few days ago … my stoutest fear.

Islamophobe Wilders, financed by the US anti-Islam lobby, has previously stated the Palestinians on the West Bank should be forcibly transferred to their homeland Jordan.

A blueprint for the 2024 EU Election …

The VVD party of Mark Rutte led the Dutch for 13 years … preparing the path for extreme right-wing xenophobe like Geert, a former colleague and member of the VVD as was Rita Verdonk and Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The Dutch have a culture of racism and discrimination of non-whites. New leader Dilan Yeşilgöz-Zegerius had no chance to become the first woman PM.

Posted by: Oui | Nov 23 2023 19:01 utc | 42

@ 31 LOL

"You'd have been laughed out of the room for saying this even 10 years ago but it's now crystal clear that China is leading the world in our common fight against climate change."

OMG I am still laughing at that one.
China has over 1000 Coal Fired electrical plants with another 240 or so planned or under construction.
China is leading the world in the Production of C02. Which is a very good thing. Plants need CO2 to grow. When Co2 levels go up. Food production goes up. Man caused Globull warming is what it is Bull Shit!
Go China!!!!

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 23 2023 19:08 utc | 43

Oui | Nov 23 2023 19:01 utc | 42

Also a strong neo-nazi or straight out fascist/fascist nazi element that goes back to WWII. Apart from Nazi Germany using the blitzkreig tactic which no country could counter at the time, many European countries had a strong fascist element that I think contributed to the ease Nazi Germany had in over running all of Europe.
Maintaining occupation control over all of Europe with 75% of all Germany's war efforts going to the eastern front meant there had to be a lot of willing local collaboration in the occupied countries.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 19:16 utc | 44

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 18:53 utc | 41

I am not convinced. I cannot find any reference to Kwint-de Roos except in connection with this "affidavit". So Wilders got drunk and started singing Israeli songs and telling everything about being tortured in Israel. If this happened in 1991 why would she and her husband wait 19 years, just in time for the election, as they say? The docment is not dated or even signed, just initialed.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 23 2023 19:21 utc | 45

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 23 2023 19:08 utc | 43

China is ramping up the fight against climate change by trying to transition off fossil fuels. the excess co2 from emissions is not needed by plants to grow. more plants will die as the climate changes. clear cutting forests is also very damaging. for the first time, humans are driving climate change.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 19:22 utc | 46

Golddigger | Nov 23 2023 19:08 utc | 43

Should say Nauru pop 10-11000 and China 1.3B have equal CO2 emissions or would it be better to look at CO2 emissions on a per capita basis.

China being a large emitter of CO2 is nothing but anti China propaganda bullshit. China as the manufacturing center of the would had emissions the same as that of green Germany prior to Germany bulldozing wind turbines to restart coal fired power generation.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 19:24 utc | 47

Nobody here on MoA takes my point that all the politicians involved in the Palestinian catastrophe are all on the same side , playing the same power games against us normal citizens.

Hamas is playing politics, playing politics, Europe is playing politics and they are all playing the same game on the game side together on the same side against all.of us on the other side who are humans.

The time has come for each and every one of us to challenge our own political class, if necessay by force

All the politicians want to do is assist other politicians to play deadly games with people.

The only way for us to solve the problem of Genocide is for Us Humans to genocide the politicians who love Genociding Us Humans. Left to their own devices the politicians will most certainly eradicate us.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 23 2023 14:02 utc | 339 (on palestine 22 11 thread)

Yes for the two worlds politics against lay people. (I would make an exception for some, like De Gaulle because he cared I believe for the State. Not playing games. Or politics.

But as you say "they like playing deadly games". You can't fight war by making war. We have done that for 5000 years. I was not like that so much before.

There are other ways. There will be. We have to enlarge of frame of vision. Inner jihad.

Posted by: Baile | Nov 23 2023 19:31 utc | 48

for the first time, humans are driving climate change.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 19:22 utc | 46

That is somewhat doubtful. Any Change to the atmosphere is not good but as to global warming and the contribution of CO2 and other emissions? Possibly some due to emissions but the larger part appears to be natural climate change. The major problem with greens is they expect the world climate to have been frozen at a particular point in time centered around when climate records as in instrument for measuring weather factors began a few hundred years ago. Climate, sea levels ect are in constant flux regardless of man. Climate in the west has like covid become a political disease rather than a science issue.
Its greatest use is in keeping poverty stricken countries in poverty. Relevant prosperity in todays world relies on energy, and the 'green west' has constantly sabotaged efforts towards energy production in third world countries regardless of its form.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 19:53 utc | 49

Regardles of reason for climate change which is happening, what the world needs to deal with its affects is peace and common cause to help nations greatly affected by it. Agricultural areas may well change, but total world production of food can easily support the population of the world and will do so regardless of mild climate change. Some very low lying islands will go under water, some low areas of other countries will become uninhabitable as has been extremely common throughout human history both to sea level rise and land sinking, but what is most needed is some form of global unity in helping those affected.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 20:02 utc | 50

The sooner it collapses the better.


Posted by: jpc | Nov 23 2023 20:04 utc | 51

@ Bemildred | Nov 23 2023 16:39 utc | 20

Talking of "clones of Zelensky", I've just read that Czech President Petr Pavel at the meeting of the Visegrad Four presidents called Russia the main threat to Europe and announced the preparation of European armies for a high-intensity conflict. Is this an example of the military psychosis talked about by Peter Szijjarto?

Posted by: cirsium | Nov 23 2023 20:23 utc | 52

A fantastic example of the left and right talking past each other.

People say understanding money is not important. Just listen to these 2 if they understood things the debate would move on and finally humanity would take a step forward.

An ideologue and an idiot meet in the pub, is quite a good summary of what has just taken place.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 20:39 utc | 53

re: allegedly rising sea levels

Has anyone seen any proof of this, and by how much?
I was watching a video the other day of a small island that was now half inundated with seawater. Rising sea level was blamed.
But look over there. . .I see a tree with a lot of its roots showing. The storms that have attacked this island have washed the island topsoil out to sea, irregardless of any rise in sea level. Similar to what we see at US sea beaches where the sand has to replaced periodically because of the powerful oceanic storms that have washed beach sand out to sea.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 23 2023 20:42 utc | 54

On Wilders connections to Israel

He is one of many longtime groomed players in the social engineering program that european publics are subject to.

Don't expect any change in dutch foreign policy.

Posted by: willie | Nov 23 2023 20:58 utc | 55

@ Bemildred | Nov 23 2023 16:39 utc | 20

Talking of "clones of Zelensky", I've just read that Czech President Petr Pavel at the meeting of the Visegrad Four presidents called Russia the main threat to Europe and announced the preparation of European armies for a high-intensity conflict. Is this an example of the military psychosis talked about by Peter Szijjarto?

Posted by: cirsium | Nov 23 2023 20:23 utc | 52

Yes, I saw that too, beggars description really, not so much that Russia is a threat, I mean yeah it could be, even if it is not really interested in that, but that the EU is capable of doing much about it any time soon as it presently constructed.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 23 2023 20:59 utc | 56

For anyone interested, I am documenting the current Separatist Catalan developments in Spain from my Substack.

Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Nov 23 2023 15:27 utc | 9

I have seen your substrack, it lookslike you don't like catalans.

about their history, all I know is 5-7 may 1937 and the fact that they were the main intellectuals in the county of Forcalquier (Provence) in the 13th century.

Mistral praised them in the Provençal nation hymn "de un poble fier e libre"...

Freedom for people to gather as they feel. Catalunya seems a nation to me.


Posted by: Baile | Nov 23 2023 21:00 utc | 57

Don Bacon @54

I suggest you check out the Florida Keys and Miami Beach. The have "Blue sky king tides" these days. On bright sunny days with no storm or even low pressure system to be seen in the region, seawater comes out of the storm drains, and even just bubbles up through people's lawns. Even miles inland they are experiencing blue sky flooding, and it is seawater that is doing the flooding. Not good for people who still get their water from wells. There are previously dry roads on Marathon that are impassible except by boat for months at a time now. Sea level rise is a real thing, and it is already costing southern Florida $billions (that is with a 'b') in mitigation efforts, and even the most optimistic are saying that will increase by orders of magnitude before we get to the halfway point in this century.

Big issues are upgrading infrastructure, particularly water and sewage, to function safely and consistently below the water table. Some roads are already being raised, though that does nothing for existing adjacent structures. I am assuming lower levels of multi-storey buildings will be abandoned and allowed to remain flooded year-round. Perhaps floating docks could be attached and accessible from the second floors. Within some of our lifetimes, portions of Miami will become somewhat like Venice, which is kinda exciting. Definitely would be an improvement for that shithole.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 23 2023 21:14 utc | 58

Posted by: Lurk | Nov 23 2023 18:53 utc | 41

I vaguely remember something about Wilders' predecessor being asessinated, a movie director who wanted to make a movie about said predecessor being shot, and Wilders himself sleeping one day in army barracks, another in police stations, changing every so often where he lives because of tens of years continuous death threats.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 23 2023 21:15 utc | 59

There are other ways. There will be. We have to enlarge of frame of vision. Inner jihad.

Posted by: Baile | Nov 23 2023 19:31 utc | 48

I remain optimistic that humanity is on a path of inner transformation and higher consciousness. What our generation is experiencing is a contingent necessity and has been prophesied, repeatedly, by many authentic human religious figures, across the spectrum.

I fully agree that today, at this moment, the field of battle is within. That inner compass needs to be aligned. It needs to point to the Guide Star.

This must first happen within.

After this, per *clear heads up* of the spiritual guidance that is the heritage of Humanity (not to be confused with mere homo sapient), it is certain that manifestations of this inner evolution, in person, two in number, shall be with us and lead a battle on the field and that dragon, that north pole of the Lunatics, shall be defeated and put in chains.

Have no doubt whatsoever about this.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 23 2023 21:19 utc | 60

Just heard about the Napoleon movie today, Ridley Scott has been on a downward trajectory for a long while, I stopped watching movies, last couple of years it's been one let down after another, most recent films are cringe worthy, just part of the crapification of everything and another indicator we are living in a full blown dictatorship - the culture is crap because that's all that's allowed now.

One thing in the movie's favor, Napoleon wasn't cast as a black woman, but I doubt that's enough.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2023 21:28 utc | 61

In this sense, he was the first modern autocrat, much like
Posted by: Shahmaran | Nov 23 2023 18:12 utc | 38

emperor Augustus Caesar. His muse?

iirc, my Z-informant's IB European History textbook (publisher: Cambridge) asserted that conquest of Europe's kingdoms and principalities subject to Code Napoléon (Napoleonic Code) ironically stimulated popular imagination of "civil rights" and cultures of national identity, ie. citizenship, metropole Rome Paris. A syllabus of contemporaneous literature, iconography, and music illustrates this thesis. Here is a sample outline. Here is the code (English translation) that amply imitates classical Romans' complex legal system.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 23 2023 21:44 utc | 62

"Freedom for people to gather as they feel. Catalunya seems a nation to me."

Posted by: Baile | Nov 23 2023 21:00 utc | 57

Who want to use the Euro and have no control over fiscal policy or monetary policy. They are bonkers and wasting everyone's time.

The day they say they want to drop the Euro and go back to the Peso and be a true nation state. Then wake me up and I'll pay attention.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 23 2023 21:57 utc | 63

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 23 2023 19:53 utc | 49

well agree to disagree i guess. there are more immediate danger. like the genocidal maniacs in DC and Israel.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 22:55 utc | 64

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2023 21:28 utc | 61

LOL yeah, girl boss Napoleon. who's the female star of Disney's latest flop, some vapid blonde airhead but i don't remember her name. they could just rewrite history and have her beat the Duke of Wellington and the rest, the movie ends with her glorious return to Paris, and her wife Josephine.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 22:58 utc | 65

robinthehood | Nov 23 2023 21:19 utc | 60

I agree with you, I've found this in many sources and my experiences. Dr. Neal wrote on it.

Dr Viola Pettit Neal was born in 1907 in Virginia, and obtained a PhD at London University. She became a notable medical lecturer and author. She founded the Biometric Research Foundation in Los Angeles. Neal died in 1981.

She also wrote a very esoteric book that's pretty "out-there" - "Through The Curtain" publishing rights were bought by LuciusTrust (Rockefeller UN publisher) who took it out of print. Originally published to her wishes posthumously in 1982 and makes a number of future claims suggesting we are on course for massive internal and external transformation... extracts not necessarily in sequence:

"Many people will die eventually from a lack of food. Not because there is really a lack of food, but because of the breakdown of the distribution, the money system and the whole economic system of the world. Those who want the wealth and power of the world and power over people will themselves be in a state of chaos. They will have brought about a breakdown so enormous that they will not be able to handle it and they will also be in a state of panic."

"The present economical picture in the world is moving towards a very serious situation. There will be an economic collapse in the countries of the world. Great confusion. There will be new and temporary governments set up that will be dictator governments, that will distribute food according to their idea of who should or should not have it. This will come quickly. It is already beginning."

"There will be changes in the animal kingdom. The domesticated animals will show
a higher level of development."

She claims the passage of Earth's orbital path in proximity to "local fluff" NASA terms from Oort Cloud has some relevance to these changes and we must first transcend a bottleneck that will have some seismic physical and social shockwaves.

At one point copies of the book were changing hands for $1000.00 - copies do exist in online libraries though every time a link is posted they disappear for a while, so happy hunting.

This will probably get me banned forever - sorry b... though try reading it while sipping Four Roses Single Barrel, it's worth savoring.

Posted by: Mercury | Nov 23 2023 23:01 utc | 66

November 2023, however, is far above last January's minimum, roughly equal to March 2022's maximum (the orange line) at 20.8 C. No geophysical metric is more weighty than SST, in a grave state for geophysicians to contemplate. Vital signs are absolutely whacked and our tired old earth is cooked.

A far better temperature measurement would be the entire mass of the oceans, not surface temperature.
And for sea level rising, in Florida? Water saturated islands and swampy land are just as likely to sink as to be permanently flooded by the sea.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 23 2023 23:49 utc | 67

Posted by: ConcernedCeltiberian | Nov 23 2023 15:27 utc | 9

Interesting articles. Thank you.

Any suggestions on news out of the Basque region?

Posted by: lex talionis | Nov 23 2023 23:53 utc | 68

The Modi mouthpiece rag India Today posted withput comment two articles about the New York bigot who was arrested for his anti Palestine rant. If that creature had been Indian the zionist worshipping Modi regime would have already begun arrangements to make him a candidate from its party for next year's elections.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 23 2023 23:54 utc | 69

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2023 21:28 utc | 61

most recent films are cringe worthy, just part of the crapification of everything... the culture is crap because that's all that's allowed now.


Agree that the movies are crap. Even setting aside the comic franchises for 12 y.o. boys, it all sucks. It's like no one knows how to write a plot anymore. We have constant jump cuttings, special effects, five plot lines going at once. But its all to cover up the fact that the cokeheads who write this stuff don't know history and don't know how to write.

Napoleon, like Oppenheimer, sounds like a grade school slide show with good production values and zero depth of character.

The historical innacuracies (not just because the wokesters want gays and blacks openly participating in the racist societies of the early 1900s or even earlier) are off-putting. The BBC used to be very historically correct, but now its just woke soap operas.

Posted by: john brewster | Nov 24 2023 0:11 utc | 70

Alastair Crooke's writing on eschatological and Manichean considerations in relation to geopolitics got me contemplating other hidden motivators to it all. One thought - Yuval Noah Harari, in his book "Homo Deus", posited humanism as the "next" religion. The energy going into wokeness, and the like, I view as evidence of this growing "humanism" as religion. "Go woke, go broke" makes no logical sense, so there must be something else driving it all along. And in part the drive may well be unconscious efforts to fill the gap that comes from an underlying existential vacuum.

In the 1960's Victor Frankl wrote, "Sometimes the frustrated will to meaning is vicariously compensated for by a will to power, including the most primitive form of the will to power, the will to money. In other cases, the place of the frustrated will to meaning is taken by the will to pleasure. That is why existential frustration often eventuates in sexual compensation. We can observe in such cases that the sexual libido becomes rampant in the existential vacuum."

Hold this thought in mind and the behaviours of many members of the powers-that-be & mega-rich could well be ultimately motivated by existential vacuums. Mix in the will to power and a new cause for evangelical pursuit (ie woke, LGBTQ++, global warming, take-your-pick, etc) and we're off and running at full steam, as there is a major absence of any balancing motivator. Not that the powers-that-be are alone; the existential vacuum permeates deep into many a country.

Perhaps existential vacuum is one of the ingredients to explain the Ukrainian collective seeming-madness in participating & supporting the tragic feeding of so many lives into the meat grinder. Though not all bad - perchance it is precisely the growth in humanism that is, in part, finding a home in the protests condemning the Palestinian people's terrible treatment.

If I can put the horror show to one side, the question becomes more, where does the power lie once the chaos dies down? These power movements are the subtle, but world altering, shifts that we are witnessing. To me, one of the few bits of value ex Game of Thrones was a conversation between Tyrion Lancaster and his hired-sword Bron on the nature of power. From memory the gist of it was simply that power rests where people believe it to lie. So, "where does the power lie once the chaos dies down?" becomes an extremely relevant question. It is not just down to the-powers-that-be & their propaganda machines, the collective has a role. The-powers-that-be are demonstrably often not that smart & there is always the law of unintended consequences. So, I think we could be in for a few big surprises yet.

Posted by: Tas | Nov 24 2023 0:30 utc | 71

A report in the Guardian newspaper reveals that King Charles III and his predecessors have been furtively but effectively stealing money and assets from the deceased in Lancashire / south Cumbria and Cornwall.

No exaggeration -- though most here will have long since realised it -- the UK Royal Family can fairly be described as a tribe of avaricious crooks.
So what does that make the allegedly "democratic" system over which they preside?

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 24 2023 0:46 utc | 72

MMA/UFC Star Conor McGregor declares "Ireland is at War" after an illegal alien violent felon attacks a Catholic school in Dublin sparking a night of rioting in North Central Dublin.......Garda were overwhelmed and buses and trams torched......the HIExpress was also torched.....

Growing revolt among the Irish over uncontrolled illegal alien immigration from the EU commies..............Conor is leading the opposition now........

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 24 2023 0:48 utc | 73

For all its faults (and there are many) America, the US of A, celebrates a feast called Thanksgiving once a year. (I know there are many similar others, sometimes held more often, in a thankful way - in all faiths and nations that are special to them.) This one is special to me; I have been back in my home country, my native land, on this day, and I have missed the American Thanksgiving day so very much. I think for me it is uniquely special, a day for families all across the land coming together. Not a church day, not a day for gift buying or giving or receiving, but a day of giving thanks, just that.

I love it. Happy USA Thanksgiving Day. I am happy to be here with it and in it today. Just that.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 24 2023 1:22 utc | 74

juliania | Nov 24 2023 1:22 utc | 74

I love it. Happy USA Thanksgiving Day. I am happy to be here with it and in it today. Just that.
Thanks juliania, and Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours.

Posted by: jonku | Nov 24 2023 2:55 utc | 75

Posted by: james | Nov 23 2023 17:33 utc | 30

Thank you, james! My first one was as a teenager in California- I've enjoyed them all across the country. One memorable one in the middle of New York State, a large town gathering. I'd ridden into woods and seen a stag - lovely!

Posted by: juliania | Nov 24 2023 3:41 utc | 76

Posted by: Tas | Nov 24 2023 0:30 utc | 71

Interesting post. Thoughts arose:

There are different powers, of which some:

1. Power to manifest success:
That of being able to achieve what one intends to achieve. The only measure of success, ultimately, is being able to achieve what one has set out to achieve. On the individual level this has to do with succeeding in business, career, marriage, parenting, society and so forth; for a people this might involve fulfilling biblical prophecies in the manifest world of the senses.

2. Power to lead: a different power involves inspiring and/or persuading others to follow. When materialist this will favour controlling others as a gauge of success.

3. An old Hindu word for Man was purusha in reference to the primordial creative power that creates realms of existence for as humans we create no end of different realities - heavens, hells and all in between; individually and collectively, we are not nearly as pre-programmed in our natures as animals and spirits but can change both ourselves and our environments to a remarkable degree. Indeed,our range of choices throughout life is truly extraordinary, from hour to hour, day to day, life to life. Of course it also means we can get into deep trouble by making bad choices which create ugly realms.

In short, there are other values that should come into play when exercising human power lest we fall into materialist 'success-oriented' traps that usually end up creating hells we keep trying to persuade ourselves are utopias.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 24 2023 4:16 utc | 77


Chartbook Carbon Notes 7 - The IEA’s message to the oil and gas industry: wake up!
by Adam Twose

Posted by: tawharanui | Nov 24 2023 4:19 utc | 78

A stabbing at a school in Dublin by a an immigrant who may have suffered a "a psychotic episode". The incident sparked violence by "far-right" elements.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 24 2023 5:06 utc | 79

@79 jonathan w

There will be more of this.

It is not the visitors fault, nor the natives. It is the retards under empire who wanted an ace up their sleeve when the plebs would get riled up, as living standards drop in the first world.

I expect as reactionary rightwing parties keep taking more seats in gov't, the deal they will make will be this: we will get rid of these pesky foreigners if you fight for empire again.

TPTB always have a scapegoat ready to go as a pressure release blow-off valve.

The Muslims and sub-saharan Africans will face increasing alienation and less and less assistance from their host governments. There will be more outbreaks of violence from both sides. And likely a lot of deportations.

None of this would have happened if tptb hadn't sought full-spectrum dominance, but this class of people can not help themselves and they bought our servitide with amazing standards of living. Now that those are waning, the whole thing is fraying at the seams and the ugly parasites will go underground, and where everything unnatural they have attempted to prop up will be blown asunder because we did not stay vigilant.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Nov 24 2023 5:36 utc | 80

@ bevin @ tawharanui @ canuck | Nov 23 2023 12:54 utc | 326 (prior palestine thread)


fyi good resource scholar Jason Hickel - on all matter colonialism and modern economic theft and neoliberalism degrowth etc

EG free paper

and also Britain’s shameful colonisation of India
In “An Era of Darkness”, Shashi Tharoor

Colonial global economy: towards a theoretical reorientation of political economy
Gurminder K. Bhambra

and even more establishment voices like


I've found it really helpful getting past manipulative and biased political/economic ideologies and MEDIA articles, by finding people like these and then searching for the open research papers --- google scholar etc -- or book extracts etc.

Todays system post-colonial period is more of the same just different procedures systems in place have continued to keep the west's colonial powers knee on the necks of almost all post-colonial nations -- SE asia and the oil rich arabs got a special break -- eg France's African franc which allows them to control overseer ex-french colonies finances iow they can control everything else.

Slavery and the lack of any reparations is a big part of that. The impoverished slaves (and the their colonies/countries) got nothing but all the WASP european corporate slave owners, traders and transports were bailed out by GOVTs when slavery was progressively made "illegal" - much like the same wealthy people (descendants) were bailed out in 2008 GFC.

The same as India and Pakistan got nothing when the British left -- economically raped and pillaged and drained of wealth for 350 years they got zip. Before the British came the subcontinent was wealthy -- the biggest supplier of cotton yarn fabrics dyes etc in the world -- their industry was progressively destroyed and transferred to Britain factories by the east india company.

Of course being aware of these things, suppressed in the mainstream as they are, doesn't change anything. Money is Power still. But knowing more about it, colonialism, explains a lot about today.


Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Nov 24 2023 5:44 utc | 81

Tobias Cole | Nov 24 2023 0:48 utc | 73

Conor McGregor is likely far right. Just my impression of him to date.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 24 2023 5:48 utc | 82

pretzelattack | Nov 23 2023 22:55 utc | 64 "well agree to disagree i guess."

Yep. It is one of those sort of issues.

As for the more immediate issues I agree. They must be solved first before the climate change issue, no matter it's cause can be tackled.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 24 2023 5:55 utc | 83

A little more on Coal and why eliminating coal. Like the "Climate Change fools want to do is a very bad brainless idea.
Without coal you have no steel
Without coal you cant produce Cement cheaply, in large quantities.
Without coal you have no base metals. Like aluminium
With out coal you have greatly reduced electrical generation. Which is needed to produce base metals
Without the above you cant produce or build Solar panels, Wind generators and other renewable energy products.
Our modern society depends on fossil fuels. Without them? Hello stone age.
You can use steel to produce renewable energy. But you cant make setel out of renewable energy.

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 24 2023 6:16 utc | 84

@Lavrov's Dog | Nov 24 2023 5:44 utc | 81

Thanks. I’ll try to check out some of those links.

Posted by: tawharanui | Nov 24 2023 6:19 utc | 85

The Dublin incident has been attributed to a psychotic episode. As soon as you hear this kind of medicalization of an issue you know something is wrong. Why are these people with mental problems allowed to roam the streets if they are immigrants? Everyone remembers a time when these "episodes" did not happen in the open with such devastating consequences and with such regularity. You don't even have to be a conspiracy theorist.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 24 2023 7:09 utc | 86

most recent films are cringe worthy, just part of the crapification of everything and another indicator we are living in a full blown dictatorship - the culture is crap because that's all that's allowed now.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 23 2023 21:28 utc | 61

One thing I've complained about some years ago, but not here on MoA, is that here in the US we tend to see only US-made films in mainstream cinemas, with the occasional foreign film being given limited screenings at select theaters. Some foreign films end up being released direct-to-video only. Meanwhile in other countries the same US films I imagine are released in mainstream cinemas alongside any home-grown fare (Correct me if and where I'm wrong).

I could never quite understand how this one-sided relationship is allowed to happen. International audiences end up exposed to the USian lifestyle from seeing US-made films - what's stopping US audiences from having a taste if that exact same medicine (e.g. a Russian cartoon film)? Do those foreign films cater to different audiences? Or is the USA really that insular?

Posted by: joey_n | Nov 24 2023 8:58 utc | 87

"I've found it really helpful getting past manipulative and biased political/economic ideologies and MEDIA articles, by finding people like these and then searching for the open research papers --- google scholar etc -- or book extracts etc."

Posted by: Lavrov's Dog | Nov 24 2023 5:44 utc | 81

Jason Hickel knows how money works 100% so you have chosen wisely. May I suggest Jakob Feining and his book Moral economies of money.

A factual account of money from the day settlers set foot in America.

Politically nothing has changed today. The book allows you to look at who today politically and economically takes the sides of those ideological battles of the past.

The gold bugs of today are anything but libertarian. Hayek and mises fooled them as the gold bugs don't understand American history. Their stance today has been the stance of the ruling class ever since the first boat landed on American shores.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 24 2023 9:03 utc | 88

Article on Runaway Interest Costs and implications for Federal Gov’t

It’s a free article - find the nearly hidden tab.

Note - Derek Henry; please do not write a 135 paragraph turgid post explaining why this article is wrong 😂

Posted by: Exile | Nov 24 2023 9:18 utc | 89

Libertarian in all right wing blogs means first you have to choose the correct religion. No other will do. The bankers and businesses will be in charge and that the population ( you and me ) are just factors of production to be shifted around, like ingots of steel, as businesses and banks demand.

That's what they mean by freedom.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 24 2023 9:25 utc | 90

john brewster @70: "The historical innacuracies (not just because the wokesters want gays and blacks openly participating in the racist societies of the early 1900s or even earlier) are off-putting."

Come now! You must at least be OK with Denzel Washington playing Hannibal! Though I'll admit that casting seems quite antisemitic since the Punic were a Semitic peoples and Denzel Washington... well, he's not.

I wonder if they are going to make it a musical? I mean, a movie involving armies kinda lends itself to large numbers of people chanting and posing in unison, which is what modern "creators" think of as song and dance, so why not?

Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't take the opportunity to cast Oppenheimer as an innumerate, inarticulate, obese, black lesbian. Think of all of the obese black lesbian middle school dropouts who would be able to "see themselves" as theoretical physicists then!

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 24 2023 10:39 utc | 91

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 24 2023 7:09 utc | 86

Journalists lie, usually by omission.

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 24 2023 11:16 utc | 92

Update Germany:
1) next Station is the December 8th. Why? After serving two (2) Years in a governmental job, one is entitled to get a life long pension. From December 8th on, all the culprits of the government incl all secretaries and other budies hired by them, will be entitled. So simple.

2) The "Ampel" (engl: traffic light) government (red,yellow,green) tries to overcome the lockdown of government spending using the term "Haushaltsnotstand" what means an emergency situation for the state if payments are not possible. The Problem is: This situation is truly caused by the government itself! They have shutted down fully functional nuclear power plants (due "green" ideology) and then they had to restart old coal fueled power plants - what is simply insane and crazy, and that is only one madness. So they tried to calm industry and people with large amounts of subsidies, all financed by new debt. Some 100 bln of new debts. Without that "fresh money", the whole plan will go down the pipe.
Therefore, they will keep on that way. They do really not have a plan b. Similar to the failed atempt to bring Russia to its knees, they tried the same with Germany with another type of war against the population.

3) Outlook: The "Heizungsgesetz", what will be effective from 2024, Jan 1st , is the most problematic point of the green agenda, and homeowners and real estate companies will be in deep financial trouble.
Why, you find an explanation down below. To calm down angry people, they had launched that 177bn "help fonds" (subsidies). After the judgment, it is unfunded. It is possible, that powerfull people may kill that law to ensure the continuity of government. Lynn Forest de Rothschild told so to do some months ago. With the greens, it is impossible. Without them, no problem. Lets get beer and popcorn and sit`n`wait.

What is so dangerous about this crazy law?
In short: If you want to sell a house or even you want to rent it to a new tenant, or you have to replace a broken heating system, you have to build in a new one using 65% renewable energy what means, it has to use a heat pump (a kind of aircondition in heating mode) and moreover, you have to insulate the walls and the roof to meet a certain standart. Especially at older buildings that would be very, very costly or simply impossible to do. In Germany, most older buildings do not have an A/C but a Gas or oil based heater feeding a water based radiator system. In harsh winters, the temperatur of that water based system may reach 70°C (158° Fahrenheit) or more. With an air-to-water heat pump it is impossible to reach that high level or one must use direct electric heaters causing extremly high cost for electricity. ( One Kilowatt per hour is ~ 43€ct in Germany). So that law is rubbish at all and has to be removed. Let`s see, if and when and by whom.

Posted by: ableman | Nov 24 2023 12:54 utc | 93

The Rishi Sunak government this week announced its decision,to hand the management of all NHS England patient records to Palantir, a tech company whose client list includes the US military, intelligence agencies and ICE, as well as the armed forces of the UK, Israel and other western countries.

When, in 2018, thousands of Google employees refused to participate in Project Maven, a secret Pentagon-funded AI pilot program aimed at the unmanned operation of aerial vehicles, the project was taken up by Palantir. Critics warn that the technology could pave the way to autonomous weapons that decide who to target without human input. In February 2021, Palantir’s chief operating officer boasted to investors that Palantir was driving towards being “inside of every missile, inside of every drone.”

Posted by: ld | Nov 24 2023 13:20 utc | 94

Posted by: bevin | Nov 23 2023 15:41 utc | 11

Napoleon was not a racist. To begin with he was a Corsican not a Frenchmen. As for Haiti Napoleon was doing what every other Western leader was doing at the time-trying to hold on to land through his brother in law Leclerc married to his sister Pauline. Napoleon sold the Louisiana territory not because he was racist but because he needed money and he was intelligent enough to know that he could not hold onto to the land in the Americas as it was logistically impossible to defend.

What was America doing at the time?-going after the Indians (racist), the Brits had basically enslaved the Indian (in India) people this was how it worked back then-attempting to frame those exploits by putting it through a 21st century moral prism is a fool's errand.

Napoleon utilized 'meritocracy' which allowed men to gain work or position through their talents not their ancestry-that is the definition of non racist-its how a 'child of the Enlightenment" behaved.

"In a typical army at the turn of the XIX century, most officer positions were assigned to members of the aristocracy, who were selected for such roles early on. The percentage of officers who obtained the position rising through the ranks from the role of simple soldier did not reach 10%. But in the Grande Armée this percentage was 75%! Everybody, from anywhere and from any social layer, had a chance to make career. This is the power of meritocracy! This is the principle that, updated and improved, still forms the basis of our societies." (1)

Thanks to Professor Barbero for the valuable lecture:


Posted by: canuck | Nov 24 2023 14:10 utc | 95

Posted by: Exile | Nov 24 2023 9:18 utc | 89

I don't need to. If you read what I've posted over the last year and understood it. Then you wouldn't have even bothered with the link.

Which means you haven't learned a thing and are very clearly ideologically driven. Not fact based driven. That's not my problem it's yours.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 24 2023 16:36 utc | 96

Posted by: Exile | Nov 24 2023 9:18 utc | 89

How long did it take you to trawl social media to find an article that massaged your ideological confirmation bias ?

Couldn't have been difficult their is nonsense everywhere you look that massages that bias you have.

Rather than taking a completely different approach Exile. Learn the actual operational processes yourself and the balance sheets yourself - absoloutely free from any ideology.

What... that will take up way too much of your time to read a book, rather than trolling the internet. Well tough, deal with it. Nobody is going to learn it for you.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 24 2023 16:46 utc | 97

Derek Henry,

What determines the price of a pencil I buy at the store ?

Posted by: Exile | Nov 24 2023 18:05 utc | 98

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 24 2023 5:48 utc | 82

I dont like him as a person or a fighter (he keeps assaulting people out of the cage, and ducked too many fights in the cage, plus he has ties with an Irish criminal gang), but his politics don't seem far right to me from what I've read.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 24 2023 19:37 utc | 99

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 24 2023 10:39 utc | 91

Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't take the opportunity to cast Oppenheimer as an innumerate, inarticulate, obese, black lesbian.


LOL! Wokeness is very confusing. If a white male writes about women or minorities, it is "cultural appropriation", and banned. Everyone should "stay in their lane". But if a black woman portrays a white queen (Charlotte), that is perfectly OK.

Posted by: john brewster | Nov 24 2023 22:23 utc | 100

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