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November 9, 2023
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2023-265

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i see on the Jimmy Dore show that officials are now committing the same mistakes that contributed to the Maui fire in the first place, introducing non native grasses.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 14:51 utc | 1

i see on the Jimmy Dore show that officials are now committing the same mistakes that contributed to the Maui fire in the first place, introducing non native grasses.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 9 2023 14:51 utc | 2

The US is destroying itself so quickly it’s stunning. Oil is no longer priced in Dollars, we’ve united our enemies, and lost the global South. No one seems to see what are epochal changes, the 10yr T-bill is at 5%; The shift is massive, we just don’t feel/realize it yet

Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 9 2023 15:08 utc | 3

The US is destroying itself so quickly it’s stunning. Oil is no longer priced in Dollars, we’ve united our enemies, and lost the global South. No one seems to see what are epochal changes, the 10yr T-bill is at 5%; The shift is massive, we just don’t feel/realize it yet

Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 9 2023 15:08 utc | 4

The US is destroying itself so quickly it’s stunning. Oil is no longer priced in Dollars, we’ve united our enemies, and lost the global South. No one seems to see what are epochal changes, the 10yr T-bill is at 5%; The shift is massive, we just don’t feel/realize it yet
Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 9 2023 15:08 utc | 2
You know, I think millions of people are noticing it in the US, Scott. I think they are thinking something radical must be done to correct this but where is the vehicle to do it, how can we change it.
It’s not a vote for the other imperialist party kind of problem this time around.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 9 2023 15:25 utc | 5

The US is destroying itself so quickly it’s stunning. Oil is no longer priced in Dollars, we’ve united our enemies, and lost the global South. No one seems to see what are epochal changes, the 10yr T-bill is at 5%; The shift is massive, we just don’t feel/realize it yet
Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 9 2023 15:08 utc | 2
You know, I think millions of people are noticing it in the US, Scott. I think they are thinking something radical must be done to correct this but where is the vehicle to do it, how can we change it.
It’s not a vote for the other imperialist party kind of problem this time around.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 9 2023 15:25 utc | 6

the 10yr T-bill is at 5%; The shift is massive, we just don’t feel/realize it yet
Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 9 2023 15:08 utc | 2
Not in historical terms just look at the 50 year chart
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-bond-yield
There take a deep breath now and relax. Very good for savers and pension funds for a change.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 15:38 utc | 7

the 10yr T-bill is at 5%; The shift is massive, we just don’t feel/realize it yet
Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 9 2023 15:08 utc | 2
Not in historical terms just look at the 50 year chart
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-bond-yield
There take a deep breath now and relax. Very good for savers and pension funds for a change.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 15:38 utc | 8

About the very moving Callahan interview posted yesterday by B. https://youtu.be/gk7iWgCk14U?si=G9HkTuGa9cT9cT1r
In 1848 Karl Marx, the grand-son of two rabbis, entered and diverted an union by eradicating all wishful thinking, he wanted pure logic. Religion was no more than « the opium of the people. » The marxist USRR made those last 20 years a remarkable U-turn toward the orthodoxes and the peaceful preservation of all religions.
The first sense of « Religio » is the one that still stays in the expression « a religious care ». It meant being very dedicated and sincere in an action, or ritual. Villepin has a religious, a sincere, implication in what he says nowadays. A major part of me thinks or feels that. And a minority in me could well say or discover he is pretending and I  compleasantly let myself be abused.
The video of sister Callahan (nurse activity manager in Gaza) drives us in the religious world, by which I mean the caring and sentient human world. We pass above cynism. As we are able to do if we are not too much a former-traumatised junky.
We might say there are three ways.
The first would be, being lightly driven by interest. Like my westerner life in Europe since 1972. End of Deleuze and any thinking, advertising and believed medias. I follow the general movement. Fish in an economical school -of fish. Inert peace time.
The second would be warrior state. I am deeply moved, and I need strong ideas to change the world. Anarchy when violent, or communism when coercitive. Ideas rule. And might kill. And feel right to do so. In this intense contraction many new ideas or new feelings might come. A very energetic and perturbated way of changing times. Or to make up with the past inertia.
The third state is Callahan state. Or a deep caring feeling. Tied lips. Unmoved face. Beyond usual feelings.
in an intense form, the three modes are Greed, Anger or Hate and how to name the third. Dedication ? brotherhood or sorority ? Humanity ?
in a mild form, we have organisation, intellect and caring feeling or may be esthetic.
We can consider the way those three modes move in us.
We can also deepen in an historical sense and contemplation, and see it in the nations, and now in the world which is becoming one.
Paul Veyne has an interesting book on the rising of christianity in Rome in the IV century. (2007) I don’t know if translated in english. He is a former 1954 french communist, friend of René Char, atheist who shows a beautiful sense of « religio ». of the sensible motivations in people, and peoples.
 
I won’t make this post longer. We want peace, and a new order. Malraux said « the XXIth century will be religious or won’t be. » It is very important in my view not to understand religious as a manipulative ideology (even if rinstitutional religion very often becomes that), but as a deep and not clownesque sense of humanity. 

Posted by: Baile | Nov 9 2023 15:46 utc | 9

About the very moving Callahan interview posted yesterday by B. https://youtu.be/gk7iWgCk14U?si=G9HkTuGa9cT9cT1r
In 1848 Karl Marx, the grand-son of two rabbis, entered and diverted an union by eradicating all wishful thinking, he wanted pure logic. Religion was no more than « the opium of the people. » The marxist USRR made those last 20 years a remarkable U-turn toward the orthodoxes and the peaceful preservation of all religions.
The first sense of « Religio » is the one that still stays in the expression « a religious care ». It meant being very dedicated and sincere in an action, or ritual. Villepin has a religious, a sincere, implication in what he says nowadays. A major part of me thinks or feels that. And a minority in me could well say or discover he is pretending and I  compleasantly let myself be abused.
The video of sister Callahan (nurse activity manager in Gaza) drives us in the religious world, by which I mean the caring and sentient human world. We pass above cynism. As we are able to do if we are not too much a former-traumatised junky.
We might say there are three ways.
The first would be, being lightly driven by interest. Like my westerner life in Europe since 1972. End of Deleuze and any thinking, advertising and believed medias. I follow the general movement. Fish in an economical school -of fish. Inert peace time.
The second would be warrior state. I am deeply moved, and I need strong ideas to change the world. Anarchy when violent, or communism when coercitive. Ideas rule. And might kill. And feel right to do so. In this intense contraction many new ideas or new feelings might come. A very energetic and perturbated way of changing times. Or to make up with the past inertia.
The third state is Callahan state. Or a deep caring feeling. Tied lips. Unmoved face. Beyond usual feelings.
in an intense form, the three modes are Greed, Anger or Hate and how to name the third. Dedication ? brotherhood or sorority ? Humanity ?
in a mild form, we have organisation, intellect and caring feeling or may be esthetic.
We can consider the way those three modes move in us.
We can also deepen in an historical sense and contemplation, and see it in the nations, and now in the world which is becoming one.
Paul Veyne has an interesting book on the rising of christianity in Rome in the IV century. (2007) I don’t know if translated in english. He is a former 1954 french communist, friend of René Char, atheist who shows a beautiful sense of « religio ». of the sensible motivations in people, and peoples.
 
I won’t make this post longer. We want peace, and a new order. Malraux said « the XXIth century will be religious or won’t be. » It is very important in my view not to understand religious as a manipulative ideology (even if rinstitutional religion very often becomes that), but as a deep and not clownesque sense of humanity. 

Posted by: Baile | Nov 9 2023 15:46 utc | 10

Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker is widely acclaimed as the person who vanquished and conquered inflation in the early 1980s. By implementing a monetary policy inspired from Monetarist prescriptions, he is thought as having restored the ability of the Fed to control the money supply and to bring down price instability. Yes, the economy suffered but the pain was worth it. Volcker received many accolades with Chairman Alan Greenspan considering him the “most effective chairman in the history of the Federal Reserve System”.A careful reading of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) transcripts and data available, however, provides quite a different narrative. Aside from a few true believers, nobody at the FOMC took Monetarism seriously.
https://medium.com/@monetarypolicyinstitute/the-volcker-myths-8579cea33b95
We are still pushing on that bit of string today.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 15:52 utc | 11

Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker is widely acclaimed as the person who vanquished and conquered inflation in the early 1980s. By implementing a monetary policy inspired from Monetarist prescriptions, he is thought as having restored the ability of the Fed to control the money supply and to bring down price instability. Yes, the economy suffered but the pain was worth it. Volcker received many accolades with Chairman Alan Greenspan considering him the “most effective chairman in the history of the Federal Reserve System”.A careful reading of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) transcripts and data available, however, provides quite a different narrative. Aside from a few true believers, nobody at the FOMC took Monetarism seriously.
https://medium.com/@monetarypolicyinstitute/the-volcker-myths-8579cea33b95
We are still pushing on that bit of string today.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 15:52 utc | 12

Just look at the real data that cuts through all the bull shit. Step away from the slogan shouting, placard waving ideologues.
Graph from 1954 ….
Consumer price index for all urban consumers all items
V’s
Effective federal funds rate
https://realmoney.thestreet.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_600/MTk1NzgzMDU3MDQ0ODA5MzY0/image-placeholder-title.webp
What do you see ?
Not what your radios, TV’s, financial experts lol, newspapers and politicians say that’s for sure. As they fool millions with their Orwellian language and send the gold bugs into a frenzy.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 16:01 utc | 13

Just look at the real data that cuts through all the bull shit. Step away from the slogan shouting, placard waving ideologues.
Graph from 1954 ….
Consumer price index for all urban consumers all items
V’s
Effective federal funds rate
https://realmoney.thestreet.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_600/MTk1NzgzMDU3MDQ0ODA5MzY0/image-placeholder-title.webp
What do you see ?
Not what your radios, TV’s, financial experts lol, newspapers and politicians say that’s for sure. As they fool millions with their Orwellian language and send the gold bugs into a frenzy.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 16:01 utc | 14

The Republican presidential candidates want to attack Iran because patriots in Iraq and Syria attack occupying American installations.

Posted by: Wilikins | Nov 9 2023 16:15 utc | 15

The Republican presidential candidates want to attack Iran because patriots in Iraq and Syria attack occupying American installations.

Posted by: Wilikins | Nov 9 2023 16:15 utc | 16

Well, right wingers and libertarians and liberals voted for it every time they stepped into a voting booth.
What’s the saying ” you made the bed now sleep in it. ”
They’ll still try to blame the left who warned them time and time again since the late 70’s what the outcomes were going to be.
Even now voters haven’t woken up, they are moving recklessly from one con trick to another. Into the arms of The very same people wearing different clothes. As the wind chimes of history repeat endlessly on the breeze.
Who scream businesses need more tax relief look lol.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTfxbHoUsAAH38V?format=png&name=900×900
Really …

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 16:20 utc | 17

Well, right wingers and libertarians and liberals voted for it every time they stepped into a voting booth.
What’s the saying ” you made the bed now sleep in it. ”
They’ll still try to blame the left who warned them time and time again since the late 70’s what the outcomes were going to be.
Even now voters haven’t woken up, they are moving recklessly from one con trick to another. Into the arms of The very same people wearing different clothes. As the wind chimes of history repeat endlessly on the breeze.
Who scream businesses need more tax relief look lol.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTfxbHoUsAAH38V?format=png&name=900×900
Really …

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 16:20 utc | 18

Republican Presidential ‘debate’
The U.S. MSM is lining up behind Nikki Haley, they sense that they have a kindred pro-war candidate but Christie, Scott, and DeSantis certainly delivered equally belligerent views.
Scott – we must ‘cut off the head of the snake, Iran’, nothing short of a declaration of war. BTW Iran has not gotten a nickel of that $6B that the R’s constantly complain about.
Ramaswamy – The only Republican candidate who is not completely insane had a bad night. His ‘three inch heels’ comment was creepy and should not have been made. His comment on Haley’s daughter was benign but the MSM is jumping on the ‘he attacked her family’ bandwagon. His point was that he uses tik tok because our children use tik tok and he wants to appeal to them.
All sense of restraint on foreign policy has vanished. Neocons create problems and then use those problems to justify more belligerence.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Nov 9 2023 16:40 utc | 19

Republican Presidential ‘debate’
The U.S. MSM is lining up behind Nikki Haley, they sense that they have a kindred pro-war candidate but Christie, Scott, and DeSantis certainly delivered equally belligerent views.
Scott – we must ‘cut off the head of the snake, Iran’, nothing short of a declaration of war. BTW Iran has not gotten a nickel of that $6B that the R’s constantly complain about.
Ramaswamy – The only Republican candidate who is not completely insane had a bad night. His ‘three inch heels’ comment was creepy and should not have been made. His comment on Haley’s daughter was benign but the MSM is jumping on the ‘he attacked her family’ bandwagon. His point was that he uses tik tok because our children use tik tok and he wants to appeal to them.
All sense of restraint on foreign policy has vanished. Neocons create problems and then use those problems to justify more belligerence.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Nov 9 2023 16:40 utc | 20

i highly recommend our very own moa poster – roger – and his article from yesterday…
When Cultural and Economic Hegemony Fails Violence Tends to Follow
also doug casey has a fascinating interview up as well involving blackrock and much more..
Doug Casey on the Rise of BlackRock and Fascism in the US
quote “They have a big emphasis on ESG (Environment, Social, Governance) and DIE (Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity). As a result, corporations are reorienting themselves from maximizing profits— giving shareholders what they want—to maximizing PC and Woke ideology.”

Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 17:24 utc | 21

i highly recommend our very own moa poster – roger – and his article from yesterday…
When Cultural and Economic Hegemony Fails Violence Tends to Follow
also doug casey has a fascinating interview up as well involving blackrock and much more..
Doug Casey on the Rise of BlackRock and Fascism in the US
quote “They have a big emphasis on ESG (Environment, Social, Governance) and DIE (Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity). As a result, corporations are reorienting themselves from maximizing profits— giving shareholders what they want—to maximizing PC and Woke ideology.”

Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 17:24 utc | 22

If the US fighting Russia and Iran at the same time and had a standoff with China over the rusty ship at Second Thomas Shoal (requiring the attention of at least one aircraft carrier strike group), what would North Korea decide to do?

Posted by: cornpop | Nov 9 2023 17:28 utc | 23

If the US fighting Russia and Iran at the same time and had a standoff with China over the rusty ship at Second Thomas Shoal (requiring the attention of at least one aircraft carrier strike group), what would North Korea decide to do?

Posted by: cornpop | Nov 9 2023 17:28 utc | 24

This looks like direct hits:

🔺A statement issued by the Islamic Resistance in Iraq:
In the name of God, the most gracious, the most merciful
(Permission is given to those who fight because they have been wronged, and indeed, God is Able to grant them victory.)
Believe God Almighty
The Mujahideen of the Islamic Resistance in Iraq targeted the American occupation base, Harir, in northern Iraq, with two drones, hitting their targets directly.
(And victory is only from God. Indeed, God is Mighty, All-Wise)
Islamic resistance in Iraq
Thursday 24 Rabi’ al-Akhir 1445 AH

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/72902

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 9 2023 17:30 utc | 25

This looks like direct hits:

🔺A statement issued by the Islamic Resistance in Iraq:
In the name of God, the most gracious, the most merciful
(Permission is given to those who fight because they have been wronged, and indeed, God is Able to grant them victory.)
Believe God Almighty
The Mujahideen of the Islamic Resistance in Iraq targeted the American occupation base, Harir, in northern Iraq, with two drones, hitting their targets directly.
(And victory is only from God. Indeed, God is Mighty, All-Wise)
Islamic resistance in Iraq
Thursday 24 Rabi’ al-Akhir 1445 AH

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/72902

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 9 2023 17:30 utc | 26

@Echo Chamber #4, #6, #7, #9
Please don’t put two blank lines between paragraphs. There’s no reason to do that.

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 18:04 utc | 27

@Echo Chamber #4, #6, #7, #9
Please don’t put two blank lines between paragraphs. There’s no reason to do that.

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 18:04 utc | 28

This sort of is and isn’t about the destruction of Gaza … and the UK.
The big “ceasefire” demonstration intended for London this coming weekend is not only condemned by the (zionist) Home Secretary, but also by the so-called “Campaign Against Antisemitism” which has now even called for the army to be deployed aganst protesters.
Yet at the same time, an allegedly “anti-racism” outfit spun off from a supposedly “anti-racist” organisation, State subsidised and *headed by hard-line zionists* (which thanks to Tony Blair has a little mentioned *political policing* department within the Home Office), is declaring its support for the demonstration to take place.
And so-called “far right” elements, plus trouble seeking football suporters — both usually demonised by the Establishment — seem to be getting organised *by the Establishment* to oppose the demonstration — a demonstration which the Metropolitan Police have approved, and been attacked for doing so by the Home Secretary.
Just to add to the mix, Braverman is a Home Secretary now very much involved in internal “dirty tricks” conspiracies between rival factions (all bad, and ideologically identical) of the ruling Conservative Party.
So the State’s agent provocateurs are sure to be active *on both sides* at the demonstration. Quite what they will do, how effectively and with what ulteriorly-motived intent, remains to be seen.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 9 2023 18:06 utc | 29

This sort of is and isn’t about the destruction of Gaza … and the UK.
The big “ceasefire” demonstration intended for London this coming weekend is not only condemned by the (zionist) Home Secretary, but also by the so-called “Campaign Against Antisemitism” which has now even called for the army to be deployed aganst protesters.
Yet at the same time, an allegedly “anti-racism” outfit spun off from a supposedly “anti-racist” organisation, State subsidised and *headed by hard-line zionists* (which thanks to Tony Blair has a little mentioned *political policing* department within the Home Office), is declaring its support for the demonstration to take place.
And so-called “far right” elements, plus trouble seeking football suporters — both usually demonised by the Establishment — seem to be getting organised *by the Establishment* to oppose the demonstration — a demonstration which the Metropolitan Police have approved, and been attacked for doing so by the Home Secretary.
Just to add to the mix, Braverman is a Home Secretary now very much involved in internal “dirty tricks” conspiracies between rival factions (all bad, and ideologically identical) of the ruling Conservative Party.
So the State’s agent provocateurs are sure to be active *on both sides* at the demonstration. Quite what they will do, how effectively and with what ulteriorly-motived intent, remains to be seen.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 9 2023 18:06 utc | 30

Been a while since I checked the open forum, maybe already covered, otherwise this would explain RFKjr’s unnecessarily over the top war mongering, campaign destroying, blanket endorsement of Israel – he’s pwnd. I’m now suspect, Iverson is too.
I must admit that every time I hear “my kids” or “my mother” in an alibi my bullshit detector beeps loud, I should have been a cop:
“So, you were with your mother, huh!” “That’s right officer, I’m a good son, officer, I love my dear old mom.” “Anyone else with you at mom’s!” “Why yes, officer, my wife and kids, I’m a good family man, officer.”
Iverson does a good job with the pros and cons here. For myself I’ll add that RFKjr and all the friends of Epstein are all very high power players and all have inside info, a cadre of advisers, deep insider who are long time personal friends who would have warned them about Epstein, at least about the disturbing rumors. Most peeps head the other way when the word pedofile is mentioned. Kennedy like Bill Gates, Bill Clinton would have been told to best keep away from Epstein, absolutely no way he didn’t know about the rumors.
RFK Jr Explains His Two Trips On Jeffrey Epstein’s Lolita Express
@~ 50 min -> https://rumble.com/v3u65mj-rfk-jr-explains-his-two-trips-on-jeffrey-epsteins-lolita-express.html

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2023 18:22 utc | 31

Been a while since I checked the open forum, maybe already covered, otherwise this would explain RFKjr’s unnecessarily over the top war mongering, campaign destroying, blanket endorsement of Israel – he’s pwnd. I’m now suspect, Iverson is too.
I must admit that every time I hear “my kids” or “my mother” in an alibi my bullshit detector beeps loud, I should have been a cop:
“So, you were with your mother, huh!” “That’s right officer, I’m a good son, officer, I love my dear old mom.” “Anyone else with you at mom’s!” “Why yes, officer, my wife and kids, I’m a good family man, officer.”
Iverson does a good job with the pros and cons here. For myself I’ll add that RFKjr and all the friends of Epstein are all very high power players and all have inside info, a cadre of advisers, deep insider who are long time personal friends who would have warned them about Epstein, at least about the disturbing rumors. Most peeps head the other way when the word pedofile is mentioned. Kennedy like Bill Gates, Bill Clinton would have been told to best keep away from Epstein, absolutely no way he didn’t know about the rumors.
RFK Jr Explains His Two Trips On Jeffrey Epstein’s Lolita Express
@~ 50 min -> https://rumble.com/v3u65mj-rfk-jr-explains-his-two-trips-on-jeffrey-epsteins-lolita-express.html

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2023 18:22 utc | 32

A headline for today:
Brawls erupt outside LA Museum of Tolerance screening of Hamas atrocities footage
— Pulled off a UK news aggregator

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 9 2023 18:24 utc | 33

A headline for today:
Brawls erupt outside LA Museum of Tolerance screening of Hamas atrocities footage
— Pulled off a UK news aggregator

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 9 2023 18:24 utc | 34

Roger Boyd on Trump vs DeepState & NATO vs EurAsia…
https://rogerboyd.substack.com/p/when-cultural-and-economic-hegemony
In the mid-2010s, the internationalist elite of the United States understood that they were running out of time to rescue their global hegemony from the threat of a multipolar world.
In 2016 the think-tank of the US security state, the RAND Corporation, had produced a report War with China: Thinking Through the Unthinkable which noted that by 2025 the military gap between the US and China would be much smaller and they would lose a war against China.
But then Donald Trump happened. Instead of a provocation against the Donbass happening in 2017, Russia was given five more years to prepare and to deepen its relationship with China. It should have been less but then COVID hit, which both China and Russia seemed to handle a lot better than the West, and then the debacle in Afghanistan; a country thereafter no longer providing a backdoor into China’s northwestern provinces. In the meantime, Trump imposed even tighter sanctions on Iran, ironically freeing that nation to follow its own path given that it was already enduring the “mother of all sanctions”.
The internationalist elite stuck to their plan and had Ukraine line up its military ready to invade the Donbass. Russia struck first, wiping out much of the Ukrainian army within a matter of weeks but not possessing the manpower to consolidate its territorial gains. The US and the West in general triggered what they considered would be their knock-out blow, massive sanctions against Russia and the seizure of its US and Euro foreign exchange reserves. But the other 7 billion outside the West refused to sanction Russia.
Financial and military resources were poured into Ukraine to rebuild its armed forces and keep its economy going, resulting in some significant territorial gains against the overstretched Russians.
But the Russian economy stabilized, war production was drastically increased and hundreds of thousands of new troops were brought into the Russian military. By early 2023 much of the new Ukrainian army had been wiped out, as Russia fought a war of attrition where casualty rates were in its favour in some cases as high as 10:1.
More financial and military resources were poured into Ukraine for a Spring/Summer offensive which turned into utter carnage for the Ukrainian army with gains measured in handfuls of kilometres, KIA > 100,000 thus a third Ukrainian army was destroyed.
Can the US and Western elites resign themselves to a multipolar world where they may have to accept the remit of international law rather than their self-serving “Liberal Rules Based Order” and a significantly lesser global role?
The distractions and delays provided by the Trump presidency, the Afghanistan debacle, the Ukraine debacle, the Gaza conflict and the 2024 US elections, together with Chinese, Russian and Iranian patience and intelligent diplomacy, may be seen in the future as some of the main factors that forestalled a global war. Time is on the side of the other 7 billion.

Well worth reading in it’s entirety. De Vellipin is voicing a sop to French islamicists, to stop revolution from within…
Meanwhile, the Resistance, per Alistar Cooke, slowly turns up the heat…. making it impossible for NATO inroads in Kzachstan and elsewhere in Asia and Africa…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 18:31 utc | 35

Roger Boyd on Trump vs DeepState & NATO vs EurAsia…
https://rogerboyd.substack.com/p/when-cultural-and-economic-hegemony
In the mid-2010s, the internationalist elite of the United States understood that they were running out of time to rescue their global hegemony from the threat of a multipolar world.
In 2016 the think-tank of the US security state, the RAND Corporation, had produced a report War with China: Thinking Through the Unthinkable which noted that by 2025 the military gap between the US and China would be much smaller and they would lose a war against China.
But then Donald Trump happened. Instead of a provocation against the Donbass happening in 2017, Russia was given five more years to prepare and to deepen its relationship with China. It should have been less but then COVID hit, which both China and Russia seemed to handle a lot better than the West, and then the debacle in Afghanistan; a country thereafter no longer providing a backdoor into China’s northwestern provinces. In the meantime, Trump imposed even tighter sanctions on Iran, ironically freeing that nation to follow its own path given that it was already enduring the “mother of all sanctions”.
The internationalist elite stuck to their plan and had Ukraine line up its military ready to invade the Donbass. Russia struck first, wiping out much of the Ukrainian army within a matter of weeks but not possessing the manpower to consolidate its territorial gains. The US and the West in general triggered what they considered would be their knock-out blow, massive sanctions against Russia and the seizure of its US and Euro foreign exchange reserves. But the other 7 billion outside the West refused to sanction Russia.
Financial and military resources were poured into Ukraine to rebuild its armed forces and keep its economy going, resulting in some significant territorial gains against the overstretched Russians.
But the Russian economy stabilized, war production was drastically increased and hundreds of thousands of new troops were brought into the Russian military. By early 2023 much of the new Ukrainian army had been wiped out, as Russia fought a war of attrition where casualty rates were in its favour in some cases as high as 10:1.
More financial and military resources were poured into Ukraine for a Spring/Summer offensive which turned into utter carnage for the Ukrainian army with gains measured in handfuls of kilometres, KIA > 100,000 thus a third Ukrainian army was destroyed.
Can the US and Western elites resign themselves to a multipolar world where they may have to accept the remit of international law rather than their self-serving “Liberal Rules Based Order” and a significantly lesser global role?
The distractions and delays provided by the Trump presidency, the Afghanistan debacle, the Ukraine debacle, the Gaza conflict and the 2024 US elections, together with Chinese, Russian and Iranian patience and intelligent diplomacy, may be seen in the future as some of the main factors that forestalled a global war. Time is on the side of the other 7 billion.

Well worth reading in it’s entirety. De Vellipin is voicing a sop to French islamicists, to stop revolution from within…
Meanwhile, the Resistance, per Alistar Cooke, slowly turns up the heat…. making it impossible for NATO inroads in Kzachstan and elsewhere in Asia and Africa…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 18:31 utc | 36

@Dr. George W Oprisko
Please use <blockquote> </blockquote> tags instead of <i> </i> tags for quotes. Italic is hard to read.

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 18:34 utc | 37

@Dr. George W Oprisko
Please use <blockquote> </blockquote> tags instead of <i> </i> tags for quotes. Italic is hard to read.

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 18:34 utc | 38

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 18:31 utc | 18
Regarding Trump:
US ambassador laments ‘scary’ Biden poll numbers
I do think the interruption of their plans that Trump made by getting himself elected had a lot to do with the enraged reaction of the Obama/Clinton cabal, which still continues. (“The biggest f**k you in history” as somebody put it.)
Similar to the rage when Putin pre-empted their attack on Donbass, and the enraged Israeli reaction when Hamas proved a formidable opponent, not just a catspaw now.
And yes, COVID resulted in more stalling of the plan.
Roger makes a good argument.
I doubt Trump will be allowed to run, but then I doubt Biden will either. Still a year to go.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 9 2023 18:47 utc | 39

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 18:31 utc | 18
Regarding Trump:
US ambassador laments ‘scary’ Biden poll numbers
I do think the interruption of their plans that Trump made by getting himself elected had a lot to do with the enraged reaction of the Obama/Clinton cabal, which still continues. (“The biggest f**k you in history” as somebody put it.)
Similar to the rage when Putin pre-empted their attack on Donbass, and the enraged Israeli reaction when Hamas proved a formidable opponent, not just a catspaw now.
And yes, COVID resulted in more stalling of the plan.
Roger makes a good argument.
I doubt Trump will be allowed to run, but then I doubt Biden will either. Still a year to go.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 9 2023 18:47 utc | 40

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 18:04 utc | 14
No probs…

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 18:49 utc | 41

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 18:04 utc | 14
No probs…

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 9 2023 18:49 utc | 42

i highly recommend our very own moa poster – roger – and his article from yesterday…
When Cultural and Economic Hegemony Fails Violence Tends to Follow
Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 17:24 utc | 11
Thank you, James, excellent essay.

Posted by: Zet | Nov 9 2023 19:03 utc | 43

i highly recommend our very own moa poster – roger – and his article from yesterday…
When Cultural and Economic Hegemony Fails Violence Tends to Follow
Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 17:24 utc | 11
Thank you, James, excellent essay.

Posted by: Zet | Nov 9 2023 19:03 utc | 44

@ S | Nov 9 2023 18:34 utc | 19
it is clear @ Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 18:31 utc | 18 doesn’t read others posts.. not sure what to do about that.. i shared the same link @ 11
@ Zet | Nov 9 2023 19:03 utc | 22
thanks zet.. glad you appreciated it!

Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 19:54 utc | 45

@ S | Nov 9 2023 18:34 utc | 19
it is clear @ Dr. George W Oprisko | Nov 9 2023 18:31 utc | 18 doesn’t read others posts.. not sure what to do about that.. i shared the same link @ 11
@ Zet | Nov 9 2023 19:03 utc | 22
thanks zet.. glad you appreciated it!

Posted by: james | Nov 9 2023 19:54 utc | 46

There were some news today that US long-term (30 year) treasury bonds had very weak demand at the auction today. Hence yields keep going up.
Seems the bidders simply aren’t there.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2023 20:07 utc | 47

There were some news today that US long-term (30 year) treasury bonds had very weak demand at the auction today. Hence yields keep going up.
Seems the bidders simply aren’t there.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2023 20:07 utc | 48

A brief Brazilian musical interlude of classic thrash from the 1990ies “Sepultura – Arise”:
· the official music video to the album recording, English lyrics in the video description.
· superior live performance with Spanish translation of the lyrics as subtitles.
For me this is medicine 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 9 2023 20:27 utc | 49

A brief Brazilian musical interlude of classic thrash from the 1990ies “Sepultura – Arise”:
· the official music video to the album recording, English lyrics in the video description.
· superior live performance with Spanish translation of the lyrics as subtitles.
For me this is medicine 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 9 2023 20:27 utc | 50

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Voices from the past are getting louder. In fact, they are screaming!

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Nov 9 2023 20:34 utc | 51

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Voices from the past are getting louder. In fact, they are screaming!

Posted by: Ozark Grandpa | Nov 9 2023 20:34 utc | 52

@ Ozark Grandpa | Nov 9 2023 20:34 utc | 26
with the quote which I pull from to make my point

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

Samuel Clemens wrote that it is easier to fool a man than it is to convince a man that he has been fooled.
Wake me when the voices are all pushing for public finance like I have been doing here for over a decade……… “public” is looking closer for the RoW than I would have thought possible back then.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2023 20:52 utc | 53

@ Ozark Grandpa | Nov 9 2023 20:34 utc | 26
with the quote which I pull from to make my point

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

Samuel Clemens wrote that it is easier to fool a man than it is to convince a man that he has been fooled.
Wake me when the voices are all pushing for public finance like I have been doing here for over a decade……… “public” is looking closer for the RoW than I would have thought possible back then.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 9 2023 20:52 utc | 54

Russian historian Vladimir Simindey on Nazi Germany’s pre-invasion plans for the Ukraine:

And now an exclusive from our new (expanded) edition of Nazism in the Occupied Territories of the Soviet Union!
“Instructions for the Reichskommissariat Ukraine,” dated May 7, 1941, were prepared by Nazi ideologist Alfred Rosenberg (hanged by a decision of the Nuremberg Military Tribunal as one of the main German war criminals) and his apparatus. This document, to put it mildly, was not advertised at all in Soviet times and was not published in post-Soviet times. Thanks to the efforts of Aleksandr Dyukov, it is being published for the first time (!) in Russian. Here are important excerpts from the “Instructions…”

The purpose of the work of the German Reichskommissar for the Ukraine is, first of all, to provide the German Reich with food and raw materials in order to strengthen the German military leadership, and subsequently to create a free Ukrainian state in a close union with the Greater German Reich.
Ukrainians and Russians have been at war for hundreds of years, although Great Russian politics and historiography have managed to carefully hide the fact of this protracted confrontation. The last century has undoubtedly brought with it widespread Russian penetration into the ranks of the Ukrainian intelligentsia. Russian domination was interrupted in 1918, and later the victorious Bolsheviks had to take into account the fact of the existence of the Ukrainian language and the Ukrainian ethnicity, although within the framework of the new policy, according to the old Moscow template, every attempt was made to embed Bolshevism into Ukraineness […]

Strengthening Ukraineness will make it possible to ensure protection of the German industry not only by military means, but also, over time, through voluntary cooperation with the Ukrainians. The economic and economic-political aspirations of the German Reich thus depend 50% on the political leadership and goals in the Ukraine. Since Germany completely sincerely strives for the liberation of the Ukrainian state, there are no obstacles to announcing this goal at the right moment, the condition for fulfilling which, of course, is defense against Moscow together with the country that will have freed the Ukrainians from oppression: Germany. Since the Russian yoke can be reestablished at the first opportunity, the initiative to proclaim a Ukrainian state seems justified, as the Ukrainians, being under constant threat from the north and without a fortified border will be forced to turn to their strongest neighbor, the German Reich, for support.
Based on this goal, it would be good to take control of all aspects of psychological influence as soon as possible, i.e., with the help of Ukrainian writers, politicians and scientists, it is necessary to revive Ukrainian historical self-awareness in order to overcome the consequences of the Judeo-Bolshevik yoke that took place during these years […] The publication of Ukrainian epic and political literature must be encouraged by all means. At the same time—a retelling of the history of Germany and the National Socialist Reich in Ukrainian. Although it will not be possible to do without the Russian language for a long time, efforts must be gradually made to eliminate Russian from use as a foreign language and to introduce the use of German among ambitious strata of the population. […]
The tasks of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine may have world-historical significance. If we succeed by all means—political, psychological and cultural—to create a free Ukrainian state up to Saratov, then the centuries-old nightmare of the German people associated with the Russian Empire will be destroyed, Germany will not be threatened with a naval blockade, and the influx of food and raw materials will be guaranteed for all future years.

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 20:54 utc | 55

Russian historian Vladimir Simindey on Nazi Germany’s pre-invasion plans for the Ukraine:

And now an exclusive from our new (expanded) edition of Nazism in the Occupied Territories of the Soviet Union!
“Instructions for the Reichskommissariat Ukraine,” dated May 7, 1941, were prepared by Nazi ideologist Alfred Rosenberg (hanged by a decision of the Nuremberg Military Tribunal as one of the main German war criminals) and his apparatus. This document, to put it mildly, was not advertised at all in Soviet times and was not published in post-Soviet times. Thanks to the efforts of Aleksandr Dyukov, it is being published for the first time (!) in Russian. Here are important excerpts from the “Instructions…”

The purpose of the work of the German Reichskommissar for the Ukraine is, first of all, to provide the German Reich with food and raw materials in order to strengthen the German military leadership, and subsequently to create a free Ukrainian state in a close union with the Greater German Reich.
Ukrainians and Russians have been at war for hundreds of years, although Great Russian politics and historiography have managed to carefully hide the fact of this protracted confrontation. The last century has undoubtedly brought with it widespread Russian penetration into the ranks of the Ukrainian intelligentsia. Russian domination was interrupted in 1918, and later the victorious Bolsheviks had to take into account the fact of the existence of the Ukrainian language and the Ukrainian ethnicity, although within the framework of the new policy, according to the old Moscow template, every attempt was made to embed Bolshevism into Ukraineness […]

Strengthening Ukraineness will make it possible to ensure protection of the German industry not only by military means, but also, over time, through voluntary cooperation with the Ukrainians. The economic and economic-political aspirations of the German Reich thus depend 50% on the political leadership and goals in the Ukraine. Since Germany completely sincerely strives for the liberation of the Ukrainian state, there are no obstacles to announcing this goal at the right moment, the condition for fulfilling which, of course, is defense against Moscow together with the country that will have freed the Ukrainians from oppression: Germany. Since the Russian yoke can be reestablished at the first opportunity, the initiative to proclaim a Ukrainian state seems justified, as the Ukrainians, being under constant threat from the north and without a fortified border will be forced to turn to their strongest neighbor, the German Reich, for support.
Based on this goal, it would be good to take control of all aspects of psychological influence as soon as possible, i.e., with the help of Ukrainian writers, politicians and scientists, it is necessary to revive Ukrainian historical self-awareness in order to overcome the consequences of the Judeo-Bolshevik yoke that took place during these years […] The publication of Ukrainian epic and political literature must be encouraged by all means. At the same time—a retelling of the history of Germany and the National Socialist Reich in Ukrainian. Although it will not be possible to do without the Russian language for a long time, efforts must be gradually made to eliminate Russian from use as a foreign language and to introduce the use of German among ambitious strata of the population. […]
The tasks of the Reichskommissariat Ukraine may have world-historical significance. If we succeed by all means—political, psychological and cultural—to create a free Ukrainian state up to Saratov, then the centuries-old nightmare of the German people associated with the Russian Empire will be destroyed, Germany will not be threatened with a naval blockade, and the influx of food and raw materials will be guaranteed for all future years.

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 20:54 utc | 56

Cont’d from #28
So, the Hunger Plan for Russians, but a vassal state for Ukrainians. Even though, in terms of their language and religion, Belarussians and Ukrainians are simply Western Russians (Ruthenians). But Nazis didn’t care about real history, they cared about agricultural resources and the workforce necessary to exploit them, so they’ve adopted the “Ukrainians are kinda okay, but Russians are subhuman” narrative to fit their goals.

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 21:13 utc | 57

Cont’d from #28
So, the Hunger Plan for Russians, but a vassal state for Ukrainians. Even though, in terms of their language and religion, Belarussians and Ukrainians are simply Western Russians (Ruthenians). But Nazis didn’t care about real history, they cared about agricultural resources and the workforce necessary to exploit them, so they’ve adopted the “Ukrainians are kinda okay, but Russians are subhuman” narrative to fit their goals.

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 21:13 utc | 58

The US is destroying itself so quickly it’s stunning. Oil is no longer priced in Dollars, we’ve united our enemies, and lost the global South. No one seems to see what are epochal changes, the 10yr T-bill is at 5%; The shift is massive, we just don’t feel/realize it yet
Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 9 2023 15:08 utc | 2
Well, a lot are too busy with 3 minimum wage jobs, trying not to become homeless, to notice.
For those who do have leisure to notice, they will try to resolve the problem with the Power of Positive Thinking! Or maybe tithing to CReflo Dollar or some other Health and Wealth preacher.
Whey those have obviously failed, they’ll blame scapegoats: “It’s Russia’s fault! It’s China’s fault!”
Finally, they’ll turn on each other, like in Bosnia a few years ago.

Posted by: lester | Nov 9 2023 21:48 utc | 59

The US is destroying itself so quickly it’s stunning. Oil is no longer priced in Dollars, we’ve united our enemies, and lost the global South. No one seems to see what are epochal changes, the 10yr T-bill is at 5%; The shift is massive, we just don’t feel/realize it yet
Posted by: scottindallas | Nov 9 2023 15:08 utc | 2
Well, a lot are too busy with 3 minimum wage jobs, trying not to become homeless, to notice.
For those who do have leisure to notice, they will try to resolve the problem with the Power of Positive Thinking! Or maybe tithing to CReflo Dollar or some other Health and Wealth preacher.
Whey those have obviously failed, they’ll blame scapegoats: “It’s Russia’s fault! It’s China’s fault!”
Finally, they’ll turn on each other, like in Bosnia a few years ago.

Posted by: lester | Nov 9 2023 21:48 utc | 60

f the US fighting Russia and Iran at the same time and had a standoff with China over the rusty ship at Second Thomas Shoal (requiring the attention of at least one aircraft carrier strike group), what would North Korea decide to do?
Posted by: cornpop | Nov 9 2023 17:28 utc | 12
Don’t forget the war with Mexico some of our congress critters want!

Posted by: lester | Nov 9 2023 22:01 utc | 61

f the US fighting Russia and Iran at the same time and had a standoff with China over the rusty ship at Second Thomas Shoal (requiring the attention of at least one aircraft carrier strike group), what would North Korea decide to do?
Posted by: cornpop | Nov 9 2023 17:28 utc | 12
Don’t forget the war with Mexico some of our congress critters want!

Posted by: lester | Nov 9 2023 22:01 utc | 62

Rising T-Bill interest rates amplify the U.S. budget deficit.
At 1%, the U.S. only has to pay $330B annual interest.
At 5%, it becomes over $1.5T as the U.S. bond portfolio rolls over.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Nov 9 2023 22:03 utc | 63

Rising T-Bill interest rates amplify the U.S. budget deficit.
At 1%, the U.S. only has to pay $330B annual interest.
At 5%, it becomes over $1.5T as the U.S. bond portfolio rolls over.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Nov 9 2023 22:03 utc | 64

@Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2023 18:22 utc | 16
Thanks for the link re:RFK, Jr and his trips on Jeffery Epstein’s Lolita Express.
Lengthy broadcast you linked to. The RFK, Jr segment begins at the 50 minutes mark.
At the 1 hour 1 minute mark the video shares a recent (Nov 5th) Tweet (X) from RFK, Jr.
“Bravo, Bill Ackman, It’s time to hold college admnistrations responsible
for the epidemic of campus antisemitism by insisting on zero-tolerance policies.”
If you are not familiar with Ackman and his extortion letter to Harvard
in which he makes demands on Harvard, demands that would make McCarthyism blush,
go read it.
So, if you have been wondering whether RFK, Jr was going to soften his Zionist stance
after witnessing the mass murder, attempted genocide and racial cleansing by the
Zionists in Gaza…
well, stop wondering.

ps. RFK, Jr recently got rid of his campaign manager Dennis Kucinich
in favor of a CIA agent. Yes, you read that correctly, his campaign manager
is a CIA agent and it appears she is also a double agent for another country.

Posted by: librul | Nov 9 2023 22:14 utc | 65

@Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2023 18:22 utc | 16
Thanks for the link re:RFK, Jr and his trips on Jeffery Epstein’s Lolita Express.
Lengthy broadcast you linked to. The RFK, Jr segment begins at the 50 minutes mark.
At the 1 hour 1 minute mark the video shares a recent (Nov 5th) Tweet (X) from RFK, Jr.
“Bravo, Bill Ackman, It’s time to hold college admnistrations responsible
for the epidemic of campus antisemitism by insisting on zero-tolerance policies.”
If you are not familiar with Ackman and his extortion letter to Harvard
in which he makes demands on Harvard, demands that would make McCarthyism blush,
go read it.
So, if you have been wondering whether RFK, Jr was going to soften his Zionist stance
after witnessing the mass murder, attempted genocide and racial cleansing by the
Zionists in Gaza…
well, stop wondering.

ps. RFK, Jr recently got rid of his campaign manager Dennis Kucinich
in favor of a CIA agent. Yes, you read that correctly, his campaign manager
is a CIA agent and it appears she is also a double agent for another country.

Posted by: librul | Nov 9 2023 22:14 utc | 66

May be Hamas position is : « we know Abbas is being bought by Israël and in this process we will be kept slave. » So a sense of militar morality chooses war.
It is in the moral of our world that a nation fights for its freedom since the XVII century. And for its survival since Troy of the Illiad. (1100.bc).
Since 1914 in the west we have not been fighting. (Not fighting against the unfair power that dominates us).
The result is that we are the slaves or the cattle of people we don’t even know. And of our own misconceptions.
The people we see, presidents, politicians might not the people who really rules.
In this Palestine genocide some power, money power, might use Israël and the white house. Might stand above.
Straussian Neo-cons may be. May be of jewish origins. And yet it has nothing to see with judaïsm. And probably those are not tje real master neither.
We can not generalise. Even if there is a great tension in us when we see that shoah, trauma and prehistoric genocidal religious texts as Amalek part in Samuel 1 15 agglomerate.
We want to stay warriors. We don’t want to spoil our lucidity in temptation of anger or hate. Intern Jiyad.
The children who think it is the fault of the jewish thinking believe they have touched the rock bottom of truth.
In Israël, in Europa, in the States the people has been fed by lies since 1870. Or 1830. So we are blind. Politically blind. Stupid religious caricatures are toys we are given to fight between us.
A true political stance should not indulge in religious or racist argument or elaboration.
The political, the warrior truth does not and cannot step in metaphysical truths. Different worlds. Abdel Kader is the witness of that.
There is a truth of politics and war. Let us not spoil it with childish view on domains we know we know very little about.
Don’t believe the manipulation taken out of religious and obviously obsolete texts as anything to do with truthes that lie in other parts of the same religious texts. Like anything religions gets obsolete. So we need.to clean it. To distinguish.
I am not sure either than the XIX political systems (I mean communism and anarchy) are at the level of our present needs. I hope this present mundial war already started will force us to frame a new political tool.
Honesty (an understandable word for spiritual virility) will have to play a part in it.
We are not mature yet, we are not deep enough in this war yet to have built the tools needed. We start to work on it. We could not, I believe, when the pressure was not on.
The way toward truth and respect is the way toward a just political world..
It needs truthful and dispassionate citizens. Those who search for peace should refrain to insult the truthes lying under religions. Which does not mean to abandon one’s lucidity to any pretended religious authority.
Not insulting make our lucidity and autonomy grows. The crowd and the mob insult and destroy all what come in his way. We will witness that so much the next monthes.
The world will find peace when the people connect with the fair ones. Itis going to be a long story. Last war was nothing in comparison.
When we see the truth in action we recognise it. Ask Emily Kelly Callahan
The world is better every time someone goes dipper in his own knowledge.

Posted by: Baile | Nov 9 2023 22:30 utc | 67

May be Hamas position is : « we know Abbas is being bought by Israël and in this process we will be kept slave. » So a sense of militar morality chooses war.
It is in the moral of our world that a nation fights for its freedom since the XVII century. And for its survival since Troy of the Illiad. (1100.bc).
Since 1914 in the west we have not been fighting. (Not fighting against the unfair power that dominates us).
The result is that we are the slaves or the cattle of people we don’t even know. And of our own misconceptions.
The people we see, presidents, politicians might not the people who really rules.
In this Palestine genocide some power, money power, might use Israël and the white house. Might stand above.
Straussian Neo-cons may be. May be of jewish origins. And yet it has nothing to see with judaïsm. And probably those are not tje real master neither.
We can not generalise. Even if there is a great tension in us when we see that shoah, trauma and prehistoric genocidal religious texts as Amalek part in Samuel 1 15 agglomerate.
We want to stay warriors. We don’t want to spoil our lucidity in temptation of anger or hate. Intern Jiyad.
The children who think it is the fault of the jewish thinking believe they have touched the rock bottom of truth.
In Israël, in Europa, in the States the people has been fed by lies since 1870. Or 1830. So we are blind. Politically blind. Stupid religious caricatures are toys we are given to fight between us.
A true political stance should not indulge in religious or racist argument or elaboration.
The political, the warrior truth does not and cannot step in metaphysical truths. Different worlds. Abdel Kader is the witness of that.
There is a truth of politics and war. Let us not spoil it with childish view on domains we know we know very little about.
Don’t believe the manipulation taken out of religious and obviously obsolete texts as anything to do with truthes that lie in other parts of the same religious texts. Like anything religions gets obsolete. So we need.to clean it. To distinguish.
I am not sure either than the XIX political systems (I mean communism and anarchy) are at the level of our present needs. I hope this present mundial war already started will force us to frame a new political tool.
Honesty (an understandable word for spiritual virility) will have to play a part in it.
We are not mature yet, we are not deep enough in this war yet to have built the tools needed. We start to work on it. We could not, I believe, when the pressure was not on.
The way toward truth and respect is the way toward a just political world..
It needs truthful and dispassionate citizens. Those who search for peace should refrain to insult the truthes lying under religions. Which does not mean to abandon one’s lucidity to any pretended religious authority.
Not insulting make our lucidity and autonomy grows. The crowd and the mob insult and destroy all what come in his way. We will witness that so much the next monthes.
The world will find peace when the people connect with the fair ones. Itis going to be a long story. Last war was nothing in comparison.
When we see the truth in action we recognise it. Ask Emily Kelly Callahan
The world is better every time someone goes dipper in his own knowledge.

Posted by: Baile | Nov 9 2023 22:30 utc | 68

librul @ 33

Lengthy broadcast you linked to. The RFK, Jr segment begins at the 50 minutes mark.

I did indicate @~50min. I almost fell for RFKjr, though I was highly suspicious of him sending his kid off to kill Ruskies in Ukraine, but I imagined a RFKjr-Tulsi ticket that would wipe the slate clean of Dems and MAGA and save Amerika. As a safety reflex I try to be as negative doom and gloom as possible but I keep getting caught up in that optimism nonsense. I thought Clinton was going to undo Reaganomics, I fell for the first black President, too young too sharp too hip to be evil, fell for Bernie and his righteous civil right history bullshit, fell for Tulsi (ok, she’s hot). Jimmy Dore recently took her apart, a genocide cheering snake headed siren.
I’m just a born sucker. From here on out I’m going to hold on to my doom and gloom like a jack russle terrior to a mailman.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2023 23:36 utc | 69

librul @ 33

Lengthy broadcast you linked to. The RFK, Jr segment begins at the 50 minutes mark.

I did indicate @~50min. I almost fell for RFKjr, though I was highly suspicious of him sending his kid off to kill Ruskies in Ukraine, but I imagined a RFKjr-Tulsi ticket that would wipe the slate clean of Dems and MAGA and save Amerika. As a safety reflex I try to be as negative doom and gloom as possible but I keep getting caught up in that optimism nonsense. I thought Clinton was going to undo Reaganomics, I fell for the first black President, too young too sharp too hip to be evil, fell for Bernie and his righteous civil right history bullshit, fell for Tulsi (ok, she’s hot). Jimmy Dore recently took her apart, a genocide cheering snake headed siren.
I’m just a born sucker. From here on out I’m going to hold on to my doom and gloom like a jack russle terrior to a mailman.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2023 23:36 utc | 70

FYI
1] Georgia man arrested, accused of threatening to kill Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/georgia-man-arrested-accused-threatening-kill-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene/DUUKCRZCKFG4FMSXOKIQLMLI6U/
2] Only a Progressive Intellectual Can be Dumb Enough to Say Men can get Pregnant and Other Destructive Symptoms of TDS https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/only-a-progressive-intellectual-can
3] Michigan citizens vote out entire local govt. after they approved Chinese battery plant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFXCIMkGRU

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 10 2023 0:40 utc | 71

FYI
1] Georgia man arrested, accused of threatening to kill Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/georgia-man-arrested-accused-threatening-kill-rep-marjorie-taylor-greene/DUUKCRZCKFG4FMSXOKIQLMLI6U/
2] Only a Progressive Intellectual Can be Dumb Enough to Say Men can get Pregnant and Other Destructive Symptoms of TDS https://torrancestephensphd.substack.com/p/only-a-progressive-intellectual-can
3] Michigan citizens vote out entire local govt. after they approved Chinese battery plant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csFXCIMkGRU

Posted by: Dogon Priest | Nov 10 2023 0:40 utc | 72

LightYearsFromHome:
Hmm, well I believed George Bush, Colin Powell, Rice… so I’m not exactly any better. For the right reasons too, not for some evil plot, and I’m sure at least half of all posters here would gladly shout “stupid” at the top of their lungs both back then and now 🙂 (and be right).
At least we know we were wrong.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 10 2023 0:41 utc | 73

LightYearsFromHome:
Hmm, well I believed George Bush, Colin Powell, Rice… so I’m not exactly any better. For the right reasons too, not for some evil plot, and I’m sure at least half of all posters here would gladly shout “stupid” at the top of their lungs both back then and now 🙂 (and be right).
At least we know we were wrong.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 10 2023 0:41 utc | 74

There were some news today that US long-term (30 year) treasury bonds had very weak demand at the auction today. Hence yields keep going up.
Seems the bidders simply aren’t there.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2023 20:07 utc | 24
They just buy them themselves from one pocket to another again see Japan for details. Like most central banks did through covid.
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=50605

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 1:21 utc | 75

There were some news today that US long-term (30 year) treasury bonds had very weak demand at the auction today. Hence yields keep going up.
Seems the bidders simply aren’t there.
Posted by: unimperator | Nov 9 2023 20:07 utc | 24
They just buy them themselves from one pocket to another again see Japan for details. Like most central banks did through covid.
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=50605

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 1:21 utc | 76

Rising T-Bill interest rates amplify the U.S. budget deficit.
At 1%, the U.S. only has to pay $330B annual interest.
At 5%, it becomes over $1.5T as the U.S. bond portfolio rolls over.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Nov 9 2023 22:03 utc |The
It’s just non government sector ” savings” either held as cash or treasuries. With the majority receiving the interest payments (the rich or pension funds or foreigners) swapping their interest income back into treasuries. Which effects the national debt held ( treasuries) more than the deficit ( cash).
Both are the non government sectors ” surplus”.
This excellent debate from 2009 is very helpful Christian.
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=3921
” If you are saying that at some point the interest payments as a % of GDP become so large and private sector spending is such that there is less non-inflationary room available for other discretionary spending then fine that is what taxation is for – to reduce private spending and/or the government can reduces its own spending somewhat.
But before that happens the current account, tax (shredding) (from higher activity) and saving will be taking up a signifcant part of the adjustment.
But this is just saying that prudent government net spending is limited by the available skills and real resources in the economy left by non-government saving desires.
There is also a certain irony that the voluntary decision to issue debt $-for-$ to match net spending then increases spending towards the inflation threshold.
If you are saying that the public and the commentators etc are so conditioned that they will invoke political consequences on a government that has a debt ratio above some “acceptable” level (read what mainstream media deems in their ignorance to be acceptable!).
Then that is a political constraint – which doesn’t reflect any financial reality or any physical reality (real resource capacity).

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 1:32 utc | 77

Rising T-Bill interest rates amplify the U.S. budget deficit.
At 1%, the U.S. only has to pay $330B annual interest.
At 5%, it becomes over $1.5T as the U.S. bond portfolio rolls over.
Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Nov 9 2023 22:03 utc |The
It’s just non government sector ” savings” either held as cash or treasuries. With the majority receiving the interest payments (the rich or pension funds or foreigners) swapping their interest income back into treasuries. Which effects the national debt held ( treasuries) more than the deficit ( cash).
Both are the non government sectors ” surplus”.
This excellent debate from 2009 is very helpful Christian.
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=3921
” If you are saying that at some point the interest payments as a % of GDP become so large and private sector spending is such that there is less non-inflationary room available for other discretionary spending then fine that is what taxation is for – to reduce private spending and/or the government can reduces its own spending somewhat.
But before that happens the current account, tax (shredding) (from higher activity) and saving will be taking up a signifcant part of the adjustment.
But this is just saying that prudent government net spending is limited by the available skills and real resources in the economy left by non-government saving desires.
There is also a certain irony that the voluntary decision to issue debt $-for-$ to match net spending then increases spending towards the inflation threshold.
If you are saying that the public and the commentators etc are so conditioned that they will invoke political consequences on a government that has a debt ratio above some “acceptable” level (read what mainstream media deems in their ignorance to be acceptable!).
Then that is a political constraint – which doesn’t reflect any financial reality or any physical reality (real resource capacity).

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 1:32 utc | 78

The world is better every time someone goes dipper in his own knowledge.
Posted by: Baile | Nov 9 2023 22:30 utc | 34
i once went so dipper in my own knowledge that i fell aslip.

Posted by: frkorz | Nov 10 2023 3:34 utc | 79

The world is better every time someone goes dipper in his own knowledge.
Posted by: Baile | Nov 9 2023 22:30 utc | 34
i once went so dipper in my own knowledge that i fell aslip.

Posted by: frkorz | Nov 10 2023 3:34 utc | 80

@Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2023 23:36 utc | 35
I had looked forward to voting for RFK, Jr, too.
It was a shocker when I read his first rabid pro-Zionist press release after Oct 7th,
and I have always respected Dennis Kucinich who was dumped as campaign manager
in favor of a CIA agent(!)
I honestly don’t remember if I had done it before Oct 7th or shortly
thereafter, but I took a deep dive into learning about his new campaign manager
(the CIA agent).
Briefly, very briefly, I am going to spit this out: she wrote a “Limited Hangout” article
that was published and in it she let it be known that she had been recruited by
MI6 while at Oxford. She claims that she turned them down. Her mentor – “writing mentor” –
she says, at Oxford was Daniel Pearl. Yes, *that* Daniel Pearl. The one who
used “reporter” as his MI6/Mossad cover while in Pakistan. Another MI6 agent that
had been “turned” had Pearl kidnapped to use as barter to get a Muslim terrorist
released. The “turned” MI6 agent did know at the time that Pearl was Israeli (American/Israel
dual citizenship) but someone thought it would be a good idea to tip off a newspaper
about it. The tip cost Pearl his life.
At any rate RFK, Jr’s campaign manager had interesting history while at Oxford.
(It gets more interesting)
Her father was a point man for the British empire, traveling the world converting
property that had previously been Communist state property into “public property” –
public for fat cats with cash. Her father had access to and mingled with people
with power in many countries. If he wasn’t MI6 himself he was a terrific source
of information for them.
RFK Jr’s campaign manager immediately after graduating Oxford went to Georgetown
University. This may or may not ring bells for you, but it is *the* place to be
if you want to be recruited by the CIA. They have a full time recruiter there.
In her article the campaign manager said that she, “had no idea there was a CIA
recruiter practically on staff there”. But she said yes to the CIA when asked.
By the way, she attended the same school within Georgetown that then CIA Director
George Tenet had attended.
She went through the most intense training at the CIA. Part of her training was
in “turning” people into assets for the CIA. In her article she talks about
putting her training at “turning” people to good use.
After several years she “retired” (wink) and took as a cover job the
role of reporter (same as Daniel Pearl). Later, she met and married RFK Jr’s son.
Yep, she married into the politically connected Kennedy family.
I would love to know how much influence she had in convincing RFK Jr to run for
President. At any rate, RFK Jr made her the assistant to Dennis Kucinich.
That was her “internship” of sorts, and once she knew enough Kucinich was history.
So, a CIA agent trained in “turning” people into CIA assets is now the campaign manager
of a US Presidential candidate.
Is she purely CIA or MI6/CIA or Mossad/CIA or…is there such a thing as a triple agent?
I certainly didn’t plan on typing this much when I started. But there it is. Quick and dirty.
So, on top of all this, now we learn that RFK Jr also has a Jeffery Epstein (Mossad/CIA) / Lolita Express connection.

Posted by: librul | Nov 10 2023 3:45 utc | 81

@Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Nov 9 2023 23:36 utc | 35
I had looked forward to voting for RFK, Jr, too.
It was a shocker when I read his first rabid pro-Zionist press release after Oct 7th,
and I have always respected Dennis Kucinich who was dumped as campaign manager
in favor of a CIA agent(!)
I honestly don’t remember if I had done it before Oct 7th or shortly
thereafter, but I took a deep dive into learning about his new campaign manager
(the CIA agent).
Briefly, very briefly, I am going to spit this out: she wrote a “Limited Hangout” article
that was published and in it she let it be known that she had been recruited by
MI6 while at Oxford. She claims that she turned them down. Her mentor – “writing mentor” –
she says, at Oxford was Daniel Pearl. Yes, *that* Daniel Pearl. The one who
used “reporter” as his MI6/Mossad cover while in Pakistan. Another MI6 agent that
had been “turned” had Pearl kidnapped to use as barter to get a Muslim terrorist
released. The “turned” MI6 agent did know at the time that Pearl was Israeli (American/Israel
dual citizenship) but someone thought it would be a good idea to tip off a newspaper
about it. The tip cost Pearl his life.
At any rate RFK, Jr’s campaign manager had interesting history while at Oxford.
(It gets more interesting)
Her father was a point man for the British empire, traveling the world converting
property that had previously been Communist state property into “public property” –
public for fat cats with cash. Her father had access to and mingled with people
with power in many countries. If he wasn’t MI6 himself he was a terrific source
of information for them.
RFK Jr’s campaign manager immediately after graduating Oxford went to Georgetown
University. This may or may not ring bells for you, but it is *the* place to be
if you want to be recruited by the CIA. They have a full time recruiter there.
In her article the campaign manager said that she, “had no idea there was a CIA
recruiter practically on staff there”. But she said yes to the CIA when asked.
By the way, she attended the same school within Georgetown that then CIA Director
George Tenet had attended.
She went through the most intense training at the CIA. Part of her training was
in “turning” people into assets for the CIA. In her article she talks about
putting her training at “turning” people to good use.
After several years she “retired” (wink) and took as a cover job the
role of reporter (same as Daniel Pearl). Later, she met and married RFK Jr’s son.
Yep, she married into the politically connected Kennedy family.
I would love to know how much influence she had in convincing RFK Jr to run for
President. At any rate, RFK Jr made her the assistant to Dennis Kucinich.
That was her “internship” of sorts, and once she knew enough Kucinich was history.
So, a CIA agent trained in “turning” people into CIA assets is now the campaign manager
of a US Presidential candidate.
Is she purely CIA or MI6/CIA or Mossad/CIA or…is there such a thing as a triple agent?
I certainly didn’t plan on typing this much when I started. But there it is. Quick and dirty.
So, on top of all this, now we learn that RFK Jr also has a Jeffery Epstein (Mossad/CIA) / Lolita Express connection.

Posted by: librul | Nov 10 2023 3:45 utc | 82

Heck!
“did” should be didn’t !
@Posted by: librul | Nov 10 2023 3:45 utc | 41

The “turned” MI6 agent did didn’t know at the time that Pearl was Israeli (American/Israel
dual citizenship) but someone thought it would be a good idea to tip off a newspaper
about it. The tip cost Pearl his life.

Posted by: librul | Nov 10 2023 3:49 utc | 83

Heck!
“did” should be didn’t !
@Posted by: librul | Nov 10 2023 3:45 utc | 41

The “turned” MI6 agent did didn’t know at the time that Pearl was Israeli (American/Israel
dual citizenship) but someone thought it would be a good idea to tip off a newspaper
about it. The tip cost Pearl his life.

Posted by: librul | Nov 10 2023 3:49 utc | 84

“WHAT China wants from Pakistan is the same as what China wants from every other country, which is to endlessly run a trade surplus in their favour.”
“Just add up the numbers. Since 2010, Pakistan has run a cumulative trade deficit with China equal almost to $90 billion. This means capital worth $90bn has flowed from Pakistan to China against goods and services coming the other way. The next big deficit region includes the oil-producing countries of the Gulf. With the US, in the same period, Pakistan ran a trade surplus of $34bn. With the UK, it ran a trade surplus of almost $12bn.”
https://www.dawn.com/news/1787727/what-china-wants-from-pakistan

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 10 2023 4:24 utc | 85

“WHAT China wants from Pakistan is the same as what China wants from every other country, which is to endlessly run a trade surplus in their favour.”
“Just add up the numbers. Since 2010, Pakistan has run a cumulative trade deficit with China equal almost to $90 billion. This means capital worth $90bn has flowed from Pakistan to China against goods and services coming the other way. The next big deficit region includes the oil-producing countries of the Gulf. With the US, in the same period, Pakistan ran a trade surplus of $34bn. With the UK, it ran a trade surplus of almost $12bn.”
https://www.dawn.com/news/1787727/what-china-wants-from-pakistan

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 10 2023 4:24 utc | 86

Accepting the postulate as fact (I did not bother checking it) Pakistan currently wanting to buy more from China than China wants to by from Pakistan is not much of a problem and not really any fault of China or even Pakistan. In general it means Pakistan finds more value in buying things from China than elsewhere or instead of making whatever it is themselves. Pakistan is not the only country/economy that currently feels this way.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 10 2023 5:20 utc | 87

Accepting the postulate as fact (I did not bother checking it) Pakistan currently wanting to buy more from China than China wants to by from Pakistan is not much of a problem and not really any fault of China or even Pakistan. In general it means Pakistan finds more value in buying things from China than elsewhere or instead of making whatever it is themselves. Pakistan is not the only country/economy that currently feels this way.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 10 2023 5:20 utc | 88

The Duran had a good discussion of the position of Italy, but I think that they underestimate the scale of the problem.
Italian government debt to GDP is now over 150%, while its GDP is still lower than in 2008 (GDP growth averaged only 0.6% from 1996 to 2022!) and its population is falling due to emigration (young people leaving for better options abroad) and a very low birth rate (young people without good enough options to have kids). Italian 10-year government yields are now 4.5%, which means that if all Italian debt normalized at that rate, Italy would need 6.75% of GDP just to pay interest with an economy with no GDP growth (GDP actually shrank 0.4% in Q2 2023)! With inflation at just over 5% then nominal GDP growth is 5%, so not even inflation will stop the growth in the debt as a percentage of nominal GDP. There is no foreign exchange risk premium (at the moment) as its the Euro not the Lira.
So now we are looking at a European recession, which means shrinking GDP which cuts tax revenues and increases outlays and reduces inflation. A recipe for a complete disaster in Italy, with Italy quite possibly becoming the Greece of 2024/2025 but of course on a much bigger level than little Greece. The level of debt restructuring would be incredible given that default plus currency devaluation is not an option within the EU straitjacket. Or perhaps the Euro starts to break at that point? What happens if rates leap as buyers step back from this debt disaster? Will the ECB then go into full on print mode again and trash the Euro to save Deutsche (and quite a few other European) Bank(s) again?
Really lovely condos and houses are very cheap right now in Italy relative to other countries (an absolute steal compared to crazy Canada!) but they may get a lot cheaper in the next couple of years! I have to admit to having an Italian youtube property porn addiction, compared to the $1 million plus boxes in Canada there are many beautiful historical homes far, far cheaper in Italy. A very, very nice place to retire if you time it right…

Posted by: Roger | Nov 10 2023 5:50 utc | 89

The Duran had a good discussion of the position of Italy, but I think that they underestimate the scale of the problem.
Italian government debt to GDP is now over 150%, while its GDP is still lower than in 2008 (GDP growth averaged only 0.6% from 1996 to 2022!) and its population is falling due to emigration (young people leaving for better options abroad) and a very low birth rate (young people without good enough options to have kids). Italian 10-year government yields are now 4.5%, which means that if all Italian debt normalized at that rate, Italy would need 6.75% of GDP just to pay interest with an economy with no GDP growth (GDP actually shrank 0.4% in Q2 2023)! With inflation at just over 5% then nominal GDP growth is 5%, so not even inflation will stop the growth in the debt as a percentage of nominal GDP. There is no foreign exchange risk premium (at the moment) as its the Euro not the Lira.
So now we are looking at a European recession, which means shrinking GDP which cuts tax revenues and increases outlays and reduces inflation. A recipe for a complete disaster in Italy, with Italy quite possibly becoming the Greece of 2024/2025 but of course on a much bigger level than little Greece. The level of debt restructuring would be incredible given that default plus currency devaluation is not an option within the EU straitjacket. Or perhaps the Euro starts to break at that point? What happens if rates leap as buyers step back from this debt disaster? Will the ECB then go into full on print mode again and trash the Euro to save Deutsche (and quite a few other European) Bank(s) again?
Really lovely condos and houses are very cheap right now in Italy relative to other countries (an absolute steal compared to crazy Canada!) but they may get a lot cheaper in the next couple of years! I have to admit to having an Italian youtube property porn addiction, compared to the $1 million plus boxes in Canada there are many beautiful historical homes far, far cheaper in Italy. A very, very nice place to retire if you time it right…

Posted by: Roger | Nov 10 2023 5:50 utc | 90

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 21:13 utc | 29

…they’ve adopted the “Ukrainians are kinda okay, but Russians are subhuman” narrative to fit their goals…

Thanks for this interesting topic and reference. Feel free to correct me as I am speculating:
The Germans’ main motive in invading USSR was to prevent the full rise of an industrial rival which would- a) consume the resources Germany wanted and, b) eventually dominate Europe in economic size. It then makes sense to me they would seek alliance with the Soviet population that was mostly peasantry, lacked fellow feeling with industrial workers, and resented the fact that their produce fed the urban proletariat in Donbass and Russia.
We can see the western imperialists returned to this formula after 1991: favouring agricultural western ukraine, engaging in almost comical pro-peasant political propaganda (thinking of rubbish like this), and seeking to destroy the industrial centres in eastern Ukraine.
Perhaps the bias towards Ukrainians is due to their participation in an economic production system that is completely harmless to western imperialism.

Posted by: Browser | Nov 10 2023 7:32 utc | 91

Posted by: S | Nov 9 2023 21:13 utc | 29

…they’ve adopted the “Ukrainians are kinda okay, but Russians are subhuman” narrative to fit their goals…

Thanks for this interesting topic and reference. Feel free to correct me as I am speculating:
The Germans’ main motive in invading USSR was to prevent the full rise of an industrial rival which would- a) consume the resources Germany wanted and, b) eventually dominate Europe in economic size. It then makes sense to me they would seek alliance with the Soviet population that was mostly peasantry, lacked fellow feeling with industrial workers, and resented the fact that their produce fed the urban proletariat in Donbass and Russia.
We can see the western imperialists returned to this formula after 1991: favouring agricultural western ukraine, engaging in almost comical pro-peasant political propaganda (thinking of rubbish like this), and seeking to destroy the industrial centres in eastern Ukraine.
Perhaps the bias towards Ukrainians is due to their participation in an economic production system that is completely harmless to western imperialism.

Posted by: Browser | Nov 10 2023 7:32 utc | 92

Posted by: Roger | Nov 10 2023 5:50 utc | 45
Italy’s debt is in a foreign currency the Euro. So the EU controls Italy completely. The ECB will refuse to buy the bonds and leave them to the mercy of the bond vigilantes. This nails it by Thomas Fazi.
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/05/the-eternal-return-of-technical-government-in-italy/
Tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts is all the right want not for you but businesses. Lizz Truss now Meloni show they are utterly clueless. Cutting taxes with supply side constraints and inflation already at high levels will make it worse. Remembering that the constraint is your skills and real resources and productive capacity of your economy.
Not only that because Italy use a foreign currency the Euro. Taxes “DO” fund government spending. Unlike other fully sovereign nation states.
Putting it altogether it is clear she only wants tax cuts for businesses and impose austerity on everyone else. As the tax cuts will increase the Italian budget deficit. Eventually, those who benefit from the tax cuts, who typically have a lower marginal propensity to consume (how much they spend out of every extra Euro received), run out of things to buy and pocket the bonuses. Who will then swap that surplus for bonds and increase the national debt.
The EU commission will impose their Deficit and debt rules via the stability and growth pact ( Orwellian language ) and impose harsh austerity on everybody else. Asset stripping and privatizing anything that isn’t nailed down from which to extract rent.
Meloni knows all of this and why she was hand picked by the technocrats to run Italy. Her backers will get what they want and when she is voted out she will be well rewarded for her efforts.
Mecouris understands none of it lives in la la land. Thinks all currencies are the same. Thinks taxes fund things in America, UK, Russia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan like they do in the Eurozone. Certainly doesn’t understand the debt or the deficit only looks at the liability side of the balance sheet.
Budget deficits are ALWAYS good for someone in the non government sectors. Politics decide who that someone is and the right choose business and the upper class every time.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 8:55 utc | 93

Posted by: Roger | Nov 10 2023 5:50 utc | 45
Italy’s debt is in a foreign currency the Euro. So the EU controls Italy completely. The ECB will refuse to buy the bonds and leave them to the mercy of the bond vigilantes. This nails it by Thomas Fazi.
https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2021/05/the-eternal-return-of-technical-government-in-italy/
Tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts is all the right want not for you but businesses. Lizz Truss now Meloni show they are utterly clueless. Cutting taxes with supply side constraints and inflation already at high levels will make it worse. Remembering that the constraint is your skills and real resources and productive capacity of your economy.
Not only that because Italy use a foreign currency the Euro. Taxes “DO” fund government spending. Unlike other fully sovereign nation states.
Putting it altogether it is clear she only wants tax cuts for businesses and impose austerity on everyone else. As the tax cuts will increase the Italian budget deficit. Eventually, those who benefit from the tax cuts, who typically have a lower marginal propensity to consume (how much they spend out of every extra Euro received), run out of things to buy and pocket the bonuses. Who will then swap that surplus for bonds and increase the national debt.
The EU commission will impose their Deficit and debt rules via the stability and growth pact ( Orwellian language ) and impose harsh austerity on everybody else. Asset stripping and privatizing anything that isn’t nailed down from which to extract rent.
Meloni knows all of this and why she was hand picked by the technocrats to run Italy. Her backers will get what they want and when she is voted out she will be well rewarded for her efforts.
Mecouris understands none of it lives in la la land. Thinks all currencies are the same. Thinks taxes fund things in America, UK, Russia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan like they do in the Eurozone. Certainly doesn’t understand the debt or the deficit only looks at the liability side of the balance sheet.
Budget deficits are ALWAYS good for someone in the non government sectors. Politics decide who that someone is and the right choose business and the upper class every time.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 8:55 utc | 94

“Support” is a poor word to describe their hysterical, xenophobic gung-ho posture, less in favour of Ukraine, if the truth be told, than against Russia. And then, as I’ve argued, “Russia” in this sense is not a actual country, but a symbolic enemy to be destroyed, because it contravenes the dearest universalist ideological notions of our Professional and Managerial Caste and, by nonetheless continuing to exist, suggests that they may not be absolutely universal after all.

aurelien

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 10 2023 8:56 utc | 95

“Support” is a poor word to describe their hysterical, xenophobic gung-ho posture, less in favour of Ukraine, if the truth be told, than against Russia. And then, as I’ve argued, “Russia” in this sense is not a actual country, but a symbolic enemy to be destroyed, because it contravenes the dearest universalist ideological notions of our Professional and Managerial Caste and, by nonetheless continuing to exist, suggests that they may not be absolutely universal after all.

aurelien

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 10 2023 8:56 utc | 96

“Cutting taxes means the government receives less money.”
Which is VERY important in the Eurozone for Italy as taxes “DO” fund spending.
Cutting taxes may mean less money is collected, or it may mean that more money is collected. That’s because the total amount collected isn’t related to the tax rate, but the level of spending and saving in the economy.
Money doesn’t stop at its first use. Your spending is my income and vice versa.
If household taxes are cut, then people have more to spend which increases the number of spending transactions in the economy. Taxation quantity is a geometric series, not a simple sum. It behaves like a stone skipping across a pond. Lowering taxes just means more hops before the stone sinks. The total collected, however, will be much the same as before “UNLESS” there is a material change in the amount of saving.
In sovereign nation states we want the government to receive less money from the tax cuts. The less the government receives, the more people will have saved and more money in their pockets and the lower inflation will be from the changes.
If that happens in Italy. Well it can’t, it is not allowed to happen and the growth and stability pact will ensure it doesn’t. Budget Deficits ( our surplus) can’t go above 3% of GDP.
This is how the gangsters in Brussels trap you and prevent change. Then asset strip you from which to extract rent. Neocolonlialism without sending in an army.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 9:12 utc | 97

“Cutting taxes means the government receives less money.”
Which is VERY important in the Eurozone for Italy as taxes “DO” fund spending.
Cutting taxes may mean less money is collected, or it may mean that more money is collected. That’s because the total amount collected isn’t related to the tax rate, but the level of spending and saving in the economy.
Money doesn’t stop at its first use. Your spending is my income and vice versa.
If household taxes are cut, then people have more to spend which increases the number of spending transactions in the economy. Taxation quantity is a geometric series, not a simple sum. It behaves like a stone skipping across a pond. Lowering taxes just means more hops before the stone sinks. The total collected, however, will be much the same as before “UNLESS” there is a material change in the amount of saving.
In sovereign nation states we want the government to receive less money from the tax cuts. The less the government receives, the more people will have saved and more money in their pockets and the lower inflation will be from the changes.
If that happens in Italy. Well it can’t, it is not allowed to happen and the growth and stability pact will ensure it doesn’t. Budget Deficits ( our surplus) can’t go above 3% of GDP.
This is how the gangsters in Brussels trap you and prevent change. Then asset strip you from which to extract rent. Neocolonlialism without sending in an army.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 9:12 utc | 98

This is where the meme ” Putin’s exports FUND Russia’s war” came from.
The idiots like Mecouris confuse Russia a sovereign nation state that issues its own sovereign currency with a Eurozone country.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 9:21 utc | 99

This is where the meme ” Putin’s exports FUND Russia’s war” came from.
The idiots like Mecouris confuse Russia a sovereign nation state that issues its own sovereign currency with a Eurozone country.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 10 2023 9:21 utc | 100