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November 2, 2023
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2023-257
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I sort of found this “Moon of Shanghai” blog the other day: https://www.moonofshanghai.com/ Posted by: leaf | Nov 2 2023 12:03 utc | 1 I sort of found this “Moon of Shanghai” blog the other day: https://www.moonofshanghai.com/ Posted by: leaf | Nov 2 2023 12:03 utc | 2 Assorted news from Canada Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 2 2023 12:08 utc | 3 Assorted news from Canada Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 2 2023 12:08 utc | 4 One thing that seems to be completely absent from main stream media is the ongoing conflict in Myanmar. Recently, heavy clashes have erupted between the government and several ethnic militias. Brutal fights with heavy losses on all sides. On Chinese social media, many videos were posted showing how close the fight was on the Chinese/Myanmar border. Several schools had to be evacuated because of how close the shelling was between the groups. In response, the PLA dispatched heavily armed forces to the border regions, including tanks, attack helicopters, armored vehicles and so forth. China was already struggling with criminal gangs based in Myanmar kidnapping Chinese people for forced prostitution and scam rings. A few weeks ago, Chinese police forces with the help of local government and militias could strike against multiple criminal gangs in Myanmar, arresting more than 1000 people and rescuing many Chinese citizens. The conflict and the involved factions are complex and difficult to understand – many militias vying for support from China, because they are of Han ethnicity including the Wa people. Posted by: BurningArc | Nov 2 2023 12:11 utc | 5 One thing that seems to be completely absent from main stream media is the ongoing conflict in Myanmar. Recently, heavy clashes have erupted between the government and several ethnic militias. Brutal fights with heavy losses on all sides. On Chinese social media, many videos were posted showing how close the fight was on the Chinese/Myanmar border. Several schools had to be evacuated because of how close the shelling was between the groups. In response, the PLA dispatched heavily armed forces to the border regions, including tanks, attack helicopters, armored vehicles and so forth. China was already struggling with criminal gangs based in Myanmar kidnapping Chinese people for forced prostitution and scam rings. A few weeks ago, Chinese police forces with the help of local government and militias could strike against multiple criminal gangs in Myanmar, arresting more than 1000 people and rescuing many Chinese citizens. The conflict and the involved factions are complex and difficult to understand – many militias vying for support from China, because they are of Han ethnicity including the Wa people. Posted by: BurningArc | Nov 2 2023 12:11 utc | 6 23 september. Yolanda Diaz, Minister of Labor, Spain, at a political meeting.
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 2 2023 12:27 utc | 7 23 september. Yolanda Diaz, Minister of Labor, Spain, at a political meeting.
Posted by: Passerby | Nov 2 2023 12:27 utc | 8 An inquiry into the Covid epidemic in the UK is discovering that the Tory government and the Capitalist class regarded the virus as a providential way of getting rid of eldrrly and vulnerable “useless eaters” and would benefit the economy by doing so. Posted by: bevin | Nov 2 2023 14:33 utc | 9 An inquiry into the Covid epidemic in the UK is discovering that the Tory government and the Capitalist class regarded the virus as a providential way of getting rid of eldrrly and vulnerable “useless eaters” and would benefit the economy by doing so. Posted by: bevin | Nov 2 2023 14:33 utc | 10 Bahrain suspends economic ties with Israel & recalls Ambassador. Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 2 2023 14:49 utc | 11 Bahrain suspends economic ties with Israel & recalls Ambassador. Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 2 2023 14:49 utc | 12 Russian historian, head of the Historical Memory foundation, Aleksandr Dyukov on proper description of Nazi genocide in the Soviet Union:
Posted by: S | Nov 2 2023 15:22 utc | 15 Russian historian, head of the Historical Memory foundation, Aleksandr Dyukov on proper description of Nazi genocide in the Soviet Union:
Posted by: S | Nov 2 2023 15:22 utc | 16 BurningArc | Nov 2 2023 12:11 utc | 3–
The sort of international crime occurring in Myanmar is of the type promoted by the West to foment destabilization and that region being part of the “Golden Triangle” has a very sordid history of CIA involvement. The style of Western media’s spin is thus to be expected. The Outlaw US Empire doesn’t want Harmony to reign in the world as Putin described very well in his Security Council address. It has many people employed to cause chaos and harm and it will pour gasoline onto any suspected fire anywhere to further its interests. BurningArc | Nov 2 2023 12:11 utc | 3–
The sort of international crime occurring in Myanmar is of the type promoted by the West to foment destabilization and that region being part of the “Golden Triangle” has a very sordid history of CIA involvement. The style of Western media’s spin is thus to be expected. The Outlaw US Empire doesn’t want Harmony to reign in the world as Putin described very well in his Security Council address. It has many people employed to cause chaos and harm and it will pour gasoline onto any suspected fire anywhere to further its interests. S | Nov 2 2023 15:22 utc | 8– S | Nov 2 2023 15:22 utc | 8– bevin | Nov 2 2023 14:33 utc | 5 (quoting) Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 15:39 utc | 21 bevin | Nov 2 2023 14:33 utc | 5 (quoting) Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 15:39 utc | 22 Decolonize Russia (The Atlantic, Casey Michel, May 27, 2022) Posted by: S | Nov 2 2023 15:40 utc | 23 Decolonize Russia (The Atlantic, Casey Michel, May 27, 2022) Posted by: S | Nov 2 2023 15:40 utc | 24 bevin | Nov 2 2023 14:33 utc | 5 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 2 2023 15:44 utc | 25 bevin | Nov 2 2023 14:33 utc | 5 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 2 2023 15:44 utc | 26 @5 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 2 2023 16:00 utc | 27 @5 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 2 2023 16:00 utc | 28 Mark Carney, of Bank of Canada & Bank of England fame, doesn’t rule out run for Liberal party leadership (that’s Trudeau’s party), reports the Globe & Mail. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 2 2023 16:29 utc | 29 Mark Carney, of Bank of Canada & Bank of England fame, doesn’t rule out run for Liberal party leadership (that’s Trudeau’s party), reports the Globe & Mail. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 2 2023 16:29 utc | 30 IMO, this interview of Russia’s Director of the Foreign Ministry’s Second CIS Department Alexander Polishchuk with TASS belongs in this thread although it’s generally about Ukraine:
Moldova remains a concern that will continue until Russian forces capture Odessa and link to Transnistria. IMO, this interview of Russia’s Director of the Foreign Ministry’s Second CIS Department Alexander Polishchuk with TASS belongs in this thread although it’s generally about Ukraine:
Moldova remains a concern that will continue until Russian forces capture Odessa and link to Transnistria. Bevin – It would be odd for the Tories (and their equal in the US, the R’s) to purposely kill the elderly … that’s their main voter base: older, richer white people who disproportionately vote. Posted by: Caliman | Nov 2 2023 16:36 utc | 33 Bevin – It would be odd for the Tories (and their equal in the US, the R’s) to purposely kill the elderly … that’s their main voter base: older, richer white people who disproportionately vote. Posted by: Caliman | Nov 2 2023 16:36 utc | 34 “..It would be odd for the Tories (and their equal in the US, the R’s) to purposely kill the elderly … that’s their main voter base: older, richer white people who disproportionately vote…” Posted by: bevin | Nov 2 2023 16:56 utc | 35 “..It would be odd for the Tories (and their equal in the US, the R’s) to purposely kill the elderly … that’s their main voter base: older, richer white people who disproportionately vote…” Posted by: bevin | Nov 2 2023 16:56 utc | 36 Kurt Campbell nominated as Deputy Secretary of State. He was the architect of the pivot to Asia during the Obama administration. Don’t know much about him and where he stands relative to the rest of the Biden admin foreign policy team. Is the Israel Lobby nervous about him? He doesn’t seem to have pro-Israel bonafides and is likely to fight against them for resources in debates about the Middle East or China. Posted by: chickenwings | Nov 2 2023 17:16 utc | 37 Kurt Campbell nominated as Deputy Secretary of State. He was the architect of the pivot to Asia during the Obama administration. Don’t know much about him and where he stands relative to the rest of the Biden admin foreign policy team. Is the Israel Lobby nervous about him? He doesn’t seem to have pro-Israel bonafides and is likely to fight against them for resources in debates about the Middle East or China. Posted by: chickenwings | Nov 2 2023 17:16 utc | 38 Maria Zakharova’s weekly briefing transcript has yet to be completed as it’s longer than usual. I again plan to provide a few specific outtakes at my substack where I’ve already posted a long report about Russia’s Space Industry, “Russian Space Industry & its Scientists”, that was held back to deal with Palestine issues. Since the Moldovan elections are on 5 November, it’s appropriate to provide that portion of the Briefing which details the nefarious behavior of Sandu’s government as it tries to please its Outlaw US Empire sponsor:
I expect a massive amount of election fraud that will provoke the pro-Russian majority into action to which WEstern interventionists will scream Russia’s guilty for the fraud. Meanwhile, the Global South looks on and will draw its own conclusions. Maria Zakharova’s weekly briefing transcript has yet to be completed as it’s longer than usual. I again plan to provide a few specific outtakes at my substack where I’ve already posted a long report about Russia’s Space Industry, “Russian Space Industry & its Scientists”, that was held back to deal with Palestine issues. Since the Moldovan elections are on 5 November, it’s appropriate to provide that portion of the Briefing which details the nefarious behavior of Sandu’s government as it tries to please its Outlaw US Empire sponsor:
I expect a massive amount of election fraud that will provoke the pro-Russian majority into action to which WEstern interventionists will scream Russia’s guilty for the fraud. Meanwhile, the Global South looks on and will draw its own conclusions. bevin | Nov 2 2023 16:56 utc | 18 …. Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 17:20 utc | 41 bevin | Nov 2 2023 16:56 utc | 18 …. Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 17:20 utc | 42 @karlof1 #10:
Thanks, Karl. But note that a further twist here is that among Slavs, Nazi made a distinction between Ukrainians, who were to be used as agricultural workforce, and Russians and Belarussians who were to be exterminated by taking their entire food supply from them (the Hunger Plan). It’s crazy that such a distinction was even made, given that Ukrainians don’t differ much from Russians and Belarussians, but Nazis weren’t exactly known for being rational thinkers. Posted by: S | Nov 2 2023 17:35 utc | 43 @karlof1 #10:
Thanks, Karl. But note that a further twist here is that among Slavs, Nazi made a distinction between Ukrainians, who were to be used as agricultural workforce, and Russians and Belarussians who were to be exterminated by taking their entire food supply from them (the Hunger Plan). It’s crazy that such a distinction was even made, given that Ukrainians don’t differ much from Russians and Belarussians, but Nazis weren’t exactly known for being rational thinkers. Posted by: S | Nov 2 2023 17:35 utc | 44 @Posted by: S | Nov 2 2023 17:35 utc | 22
Actually makes sense to me. The Western Ukrainians had displayed a hatred for the Russians (and Polish) during the Soviet civil war post-WW1 and quite a few were very happy to be fascist. Also, a workforce was required to produce the crops for the homeland from Ukraine’s dark earth; a nice compliant “semi-slave” population with the Germans as the new landlords. Also, the Germans (and other axis powers) simply did not have enough spare people to populate the whole of the Western USSR – so a semi-slave population in the huge Ukraine would come in useful. The Russians and Byelorussians were also fully behind their government. @Posted by: S | Nov 2 2023 17:35 utc | 22
Actually makes sense to me. The Western Ukrainians had displayed a hatred for the Russians (and Polish) during the Soviet civil war post-WW1 and quite a few were very happy to be fascist. Also, a workforce was required to produce the crops for the homeland from Ukraine’s dark earth; a nice compliant “semi-slave” population with the Germans as the new landlords. Also, the Germans (and other axis powers) simply did not have enough spare people to populate the whole of the Western USSR – so a semi-slave population in the huge Ukraine would come in useful. The Russians and Byelorussians were also fully behind their government. Bevin #18 – I think you are right that I may be overestimating Torie concern for the well-being of their (partial) voter base … almost psychotically unempathic, these people, as we see in re to Gaza. Posted by: Caliman | Nov 2 2023 18:02 utc | 47 Bevin #18 – I think you are right that I may be overestimating Torie concern for the well-being of their (partial) voter base … almost psychotically unempathic, these people, as we see in re to Gaza. Posted by: Caliman | Nov 2 2023 18:02 utc | 48 S | Nov 2 2023 17:35 utc | 22– S | Nov 2 2023 17:35 utc | 22– I owe apology for the emotional post some time ago to b. and all the barflies. Posted by: stranger | Nov 2 2023 19:17 utc | 51 I owe apology for the emotional post some time ago to b. and all the barflies. Posted by: stranger | Nov 2 2023 19:17 utc | 52 stranger | Nov 2 2023 19:17 utc | 26 Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 19:48 utc | 53 stranger | Nov 2 2023 19:17 utc | 26 Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 19:48 utc | 54 From Guardian report 02 November 2023 : ** The most advanced technology companies will allow governments to vet their artificial intelligence tools for the first time, Rishi Sunak has announced, as the prime minister looks to combat a threat that he says is potentially as serious as nuclear war. ** Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 20:10 utc | 55 From Guardian report 02 November 2023 : ** The most advanced technology companies will allow governments to vet their artificial intelligence tools for the first time, Rishi Sunak has announced, as the prime minister looks to combat a threat that he says is potentially as serious as nuclear war. ** Posted by: Cynic | Nov 2 2023 20:10 utc | 56 Brian Berletic on the Phillipines today: Posted by: bevin | Nov 2 2023 21:47 utc | 57 Brian Berletic on the Phillipines today: Posted by: bevin | Nov 2 2023 21:47 utc | 58 Our species is challenging a form of social organization that in some ways is over 2K years old and at least many centuries old depending on what parts you focus on. Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 2 2023 22:03 utc | 59 Our species is challenging a form of social organization that in some ways is over 2K years old and at least many centuries old depending on what parts you focus on. Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 2 2023 22:03 utc | 60 Caliman @ 17, Bevin @ 18: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 2 2023 22:25 utc | 61 Caliman @ 17, Bevin @ 18: Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 2 2023 22:25 utc | 62 Refinnejenna@31 Posted by: bevin | Nov 3 2023 2:24 utc | 63 Refinnejenna@31 Posted by: bevin | Nov 3 2023 2:24 utc | 64 I have been wondering how the whipsaw adjustment in precious metals and other commodities was going to occur and the posting at ZH with the title below answers my question a bit Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 3 2023 3:42 utc | 65 I have been wondering how the whipsaw adjustment in precious metals and other commodities was going to occur and the posting at ZH with the title below answers my question a bit Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 3 2023 3:42 utc | 66 On the border fights (skirmishes) Myanmar / South-west China, here is a longigsh twitter thread by Zhao DaShuai . Mirror on Nitter here. Posted by: phiw13 | Nov 3 2023 4:26 utc | 67 On the border fights (skirmishes) Myanmar / South-west China, here is a longigsh twitter thread by Zhao DaShuai . Mirror on Nitter here. Posted by: phiw13 | Nov 3 2023 4:26 utc | 68 “The unspoken fear the unusual death of Li Keqiang has caused”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj-W0EPoAgc Posted by: Antonym | Nov 3 2023 4:52 utc | 69 “The unspoken fear the unusual death of Li Keqiang has caused”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj-W0EPoAgc Posted by: Antonym | Nov 3 2023 4:52 utc | 70 “Former Chinese finance minister Jin Renqing dies after fire at home: report” Posted by: Antonym | Nov 3 2023 5:13 utc | 71 “Former Chinese finance minister Jin Renqing dies after fire at home: report” Posted by: Antonym | Nov 3 2023 5:13 utc | 72 Below is a Xinhuanet link to a story that is very interesting and then check out this link from a comment at The Register about the same story that is way cool Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 3 2023 6:17 utc | 73 Below is a Xinhuanet link to a story that is very interesting and then check out this link from a comment at The Register about the same story that is way cool Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 3 2023 6:17 utc | 74 I want to take out the word “then” in the last comment Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 3 2023 6:19 utc | 75 I want to take out the word “then” in the last comment Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 3 2023 6:19 utc | 76 Below is a Xinhuanet posting about a China advance in technology that says to me they are leading
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 3 2023 6:24 utc | 77 Below is a Xinhuanet posting about a China advance in technology that says to me they are leading
Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 3 2023 6:24 utc | 78 Then let me say this is (once more) an incredible thread. Karlofi’s 20 made me tear. Posted by: persiflo | Nov 3 2023 6:25 utc | 79 Then let me say this is (once more) an incredible thread. Karlofi’s 20 made me tear. Posted by: persiflo | Nov 3 2023 6:25 utc | 80 What the lesson of this tragedy should have been: invest in clinics and bed availability at a regional level and even more importantly invest in programs to minimize obesity and heart disease. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 3 2023 9:07 utc | 81 What the lesson of this tragedy should have been: invest in clinics and bed availability at a regional level and even more importantly invest in programs to minimize obesity and heart disease. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 3 2023 9:07 utc | 82 ‘Former Shanghai mayor Yang Xiong passes away at age of 68″ Posted by: Antonym | Nov 3 2023 9:17 utc | 83 ‘Former Shanghai mayor Yang Xiong passes away at age of 68″ Posted by: Antonym | Nov 3 2023 9:17 utc | 84 They’ve privatised dentistry in the UK and costs now are astronomical.. There used to be at least 30 dentist surgeries were I live now there are 4. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 3 2023 9:17 utc | 85 They’ve privatised dentistry in the UK and costs now are astronomical.. There used to be at least 30 dentist surgeries were I live now there are 4. Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 3 2023 9:17 utc | 86 S | Nov 2 2023 17:35 utc | 22 “But note that a further twist here is that among Slavs, Nazi made a distinction between Ukrainians, who were to be used as agricultural workforce, and Russians and Belarussians who were to be exterminated by taking their entire food supply from them” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 9:33 utc | 87 S | Nov 2 2023 17:35 utc | 22 “But note that a further twist here is that among Slavs, Nazi made a distinction between Ukrainians, who were to be used as agricultural workforce, and Russians and Belarussians who were to be exterminated by taking their entire food supply from them” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 9:33 utc | 88 Re: De-dollarization Posted by: Exile | Nov 3 2023 9:42 utc | 89 Re: De-dollarization Posted by: Exile | Nov 3 2023 9:42 utc | 90 @ 15, not to nit pick, but they weren’t Anglo bankers. (Former British colony, border with New York State …) Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 3 2023 10:48 utc | 91 @ 15, not to nit pick, but they weren’t Anglo bankers. (Former British colony, border with New York State …) Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 3 2023 10:48 utc | 92
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/72027 Posted by: Down South | Nov 3 2023 11:48 utc | 93
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/72027 Posted by: Down South | Nov 3 2023 11:48 utc | 94 This was mentioned by Zakharova in her briefing which I included in my selections from it, “Complexities & Conundrums: Zakharova’s Briefing” and is the topic of this short Q&A with Lavrov:
The IOC has indeed shown it’s merely another Anti-Russian tool in the Outlaw US Empire’s kit. IMO, it needs to be dissolved and completely reformed while at the same time removing the commercializing pollution its suffered over the last 30 years. This was mentioned by Zakharova in her briefing which I included in my selections from it, “Complexities & Conundrums: Zakharova’s Briefing” and is the topic of this short Q&A with Lavrov:
The IOC has indeed shown it’s merely another Anti-Russian tool in the Outlaw US Empire’s kit. IMO, it needs to be dissolved and completely reformed while at the same time removing the commercializing pollution its suffered over the last 30 years. First visit by a Swiss president to Canada (I’d speculate that the UK may have some influence over that.) What’s remarkable to me is that in the brief posts about the purpose of the visit, abstract terms are used exclusively but never the word “humanitarian”! How about that. He opened the Francophone Film Festival in Quebec as well, lots of films from Switzerland included there. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 3 2023 12:34 utc | 97 First visit by a Swiss president to Canada (I’d speculate that the UK may have some influence over that.) What’s remarkable to me is that in the brief posts about the purpose of the visit, abstract terms are used exclusively but never the word “humanitarian”! How about that. He opened the Francophone Film Festival in Quebec as well, lots of films from Switzerland included there. Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Nov 3 2023 12:34 utc | 98 On the Question of God Posted by: persiflo | Nov 3 2023 12:39 utc | 99 On the Question of God Posted by: persiflo | Nov 3 2023 12:39 utc | 100 |
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