Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 17, 2023
One Religion’s War Against All Others

Alastair Crooke in Al Mayadeen:

Israeli popular sentiment — even amongst former liberals — is moving toward a Greater Nakba. Gaza is under Nakba pressures. So is the West Bank, as settler violence against Palestinians surges. Even a ‘liberal’ such as former opposition leader Lapid now agrees that ‘settlers’ in the occupied West Bank are not ‘settlers’ at all, since the land is but the ‘Biblical land of Israel’.

Nakba ‘ambitions’ are widening to South Lebanon (up to the Litani River) too. The radical members of Netanyahu’s government say Israelis will never return to the kibbutz adjacent to Lebanon, without Hezbollah’s removal from the border area.

So, the call is heard for "Israel" to ‘take’ Lebanon up to the Litani (a key water source) — and ‘serendipitously’ the Israeli air force has begun operating up to 40 kms inside Lebanon. Cabinet members now openly speak of the IOF needing to turn its attention to Hezbollah once Hamas has been ‘obliterated’.

Plainly, the White House is struggling to avoid the slide towards full regional war, as both the Lebanese front and the Iraqi front heats up: On Sunday, Iraqi movements again fired missiles at the American base in Shaddadi.

"Israel" is sensing the present crisis to be both an existential risk, but an ‘opportunity’ too – an opportunity to establish "Israel" across ‘its Biblical lands’ over the long term. There is no mistaking it — this is the direction of travel of Israeli popular sentiment, from both Left and Right wings, to bloody eschatology.

As I had pointed out three weeks ago President Joe Biden had supported that Israeli Nakba strategy before he was forced to pull back:

US 'actively working' to establish safe corridor for Gaza civilians: White HouseYeni Safak – Oct 12, 2023 The US is in active talks with Israel and Egypt to establish "safe passage" corridors for civilians in Gaza to flee ongoing Israeli airstrikes, the White House said Wednesday amid an expected ground offensive in the besieged enclave.

"We're actively discussing this with our Israeli and our Egyptian counterparts, we support safe passions for civilians. Civilians are not to blame for what Hamas has done. They didn't do anything wrong," National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters at the White House.

"We are actively working on this with Egyptian and our Israeli counterparts. Civilians are protected under the laws of armed conflict, and they should be given every opportunity to avoid the fighting," he added.

Israel is continuously squeezing the 2.3 million people in Gaza towards the Egyptian border:

Israel drops leaflets warning people to flee southern Gaza townsGuardian – Nov 16 2023

Israel has dropped leaflets into southern Gaza telling Palestinian civilians to leave four towns on the eastern edge of Khan Younis, raising fears that its war against Hamas could spread to areas it previously said were safe. The flyers told civilians in Bani Shuhaila, Khuza’a, Abassan and al-Qarara that anyone in the vicinity of militants or their positions was “putting his life in danger”, local people told Reuters.

The UN’s human rights chief, Volker Türk, said that five weeks into the war, “massive outbreaks of infectious disease, and hunger” seemed inevitable in the densely populated Palestinian territory. He predicted catastrophic consequences if fuel supplies ran out, including the collapse of sewage systems and healthcare and an end to the already scarce supplies of humanitarian aid.

The intentionally created misery will be used to put pressure on Egypt and others to open their borders for refugees. Then the same method will be applied in the West Bank. South Lebanon up the Litani river is a more difficult matter as Hizbullah, once unleashed, is a real existential thread to Israel. The rick there is to get the U.S. to do the bloody work.

And all this would not stop there as some extremist settlers want even more foreign land:

What are the borders of that Jewish nation?

The borders of the homeland of the Jews are the Euphrates in the east and the Nile in the southwest. [This would include the territory of multiple Middle Eastern countries as well as the territory that Israel controls today.]

There’s a Palestinian slogan that has become very controversial: “From the river to the sea,” which means from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. It’s controversial because it would include all the land that currently makes up Israel. But you’re saying from the river to the—

What is controversial?

Palestinians sometimes use the slogan “From the river to the sea.” But what you’re saying is that from the river to the Nile is the Jewish homeland, correct?

Of course. If someone decides to invent a new religion today, who will decide the rules? The first nation that got the word from God, the promise from God—the first nation is the one who has the right to it. The others that follow—Christianity and Islam, with their demands, with their perceptions—they’re imitating what existed already. So, why in Israel? They could be anywhere in the world. They came after us, in the double sense of the world.

This is a war by a significant number of believers in one religion against all others.

Comments

Posted by: rk | Nov 17 2023 21:28 utc | 130
“Who has modern Russian tech like S400? Only nato+ gang. ”
Your statement is incorrect-NATO and the gang have nothing to match S 400’s and S-500’s in the AD category.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 10:39 utc | 601

Posted by: rk | Nov 17 2023 21:28 utc | 130
“Who has modern Russian tech like S400? Only nato+ gang. ”
Your statement is incorrect-NATO and the gang have nothing to match S 400’s and S-500’s in the AD category.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 10:39 utc | 602

Today on RT:
(1) Interview of Max Blumenthal by Afshin Rattansi, on what really happened on October 7th (many of the dead Israelis were actually killed by IDF “friendly” fire, in order to avoid them being taken as hostages)
https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/587500-israel-killing-its-own-civilians/
(2) Direct Impact, featuring a discussion about Black Rock and other profiteers of the Ukraine conflict
https://www.rt.com/shows/direct-impact/587108-ukraine-black-rock-profit/

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 10:49 utc | 603

Today on RT:
(1) Interview of Max Blumenthal by Afshin Rattansi, on what really happened on October 7th (many of the dead Israelis were actually killed by IDF “friendly” fire, in order to avoid them being taken as hostages)
https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/587500-israel-killing-its-own-civilians/
(2) Direct Impact, featuring a discussion about Black Rock and other profiteers of the Ukraine conflict
https://www.rt.com/shows/direct-impact/587108-ukraine-black-rock-profit/

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 18 2023 10:49 utc | 604

@ Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 10:20 utc | 301

When the congress votes to give Israel “aid” they are underwriting the ~6.5% 4-to-6 year dollar rate recently established by their central bank.
If both US and Israeli dollar rates are correct then the difference between them is free money.
Free money always returns to its intrinsic value.
Blackrock et. al. cannot be made whole with magic beans.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 18 2023 10:57 utc | 605

@ Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 10:20 utc | 301

When the congress votes to give Israel “aid” they are underwriting the ~6.5% 4-to-6 year dollar rate recently established by their central bank.
If both US and Israeli dollar rates are correct then the difference between them is free money.
Free money always returns to its intrinsic value.
Blackrock et. al. cannot be made whole with magic beans.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 18 2023 10:57 utc | 606

According to Daniel Chapter 9, God’s covenant with the Children of Israel would end with the coming of the Messiah. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary came and was rejected by the Jews. The Chosen People status of the Jews ended over 2,000 years ago and the mantle was passed to the true followers of Jesus.
The leaders of the present day Israeli state behave like the “Whited Sepulcres” that Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees in the Gospel. Historically, it was widely understood within Christianity that the Jews had lost their Chosen People status after they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. It is only with the rise of Dispensationalist theology which came to prominence in the 19th century that Christians have become confused on this issue.

Posted by: Bilaal | Nov 18 2023 11:04 utc | 607

According to Daniel Chapter 9, God’s covenant with the Children of Israel would end with the coming of the Messiah. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary came and was rejected by the Jews. The Chosen People status of the Jews ended over 2,000 years ago and the mantle was passed to the true followers of Jesus.
The leaders of the present day Israeli state behave like the “Whited Sepulcres” that Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees in the Gospel. Historically, it was widely understood within Christianity that the Jews had lost their Chosen People status after they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. It is only with the rise of Dispensationalist theology which came to prominence in the 19th century that Christians have become confused on this issue.

Posted by: Bilaal | Nov 18 2023 11:04 utc | 608

OK sal, tell us all about it: Tell us how brilliant the desert religions were? Tell us how the people who today still worship these desert toads are even more brilliant. You sound like you are butt hurt to me, well you should be, and embarrassed as well: ad hominins just won’t cut it sal.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:43 utc | 155
Fools always look in the wrong direction and cover their inadequacies by denigrating others. Feel sorry for your ignorance. Perhaps you will grow up. No hard feelings.

Posted by: sal | Nov 18 2023 11:15 utc | 609

OK sal, tell us all about it: Tell us how brilliant the desert religions were? Tell us how the people who today still worship these desert toads are even more brilliant. You sound like you are butt hurt to me, well you should be, and embarrassed as well: ad hominins just won’t cut it sal.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:43 utc | 155
Fools always look in the wrong direction and cover their inadequacies by denigrating others. Feel sorry for your ignorance. Perhaps you will grow up. No hard feelings.

Posted by: sal | Nov 18 2023 11:15 utc | 610

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 3:47 utc | 247
“I have personally never known an Egyptian to enforce anything diligently during my time in the middle east. A bunch of shysters to the man …”
I have dealt with an Egyptian investor and his two sons who live in Cairo and they are the most honourable businessman that I have worked with in 40 years. They are polite, charming, well read and never have they gone against their word.
So your ugly bigotry that all Egyptians are, ‘a bunch of shysters to the man”, is inaccurate, unseemly and morally disgusting.
Perhaps , you are unconsciously projecting your own inadequacies.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 11:24 utc | 611

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 3:47 utc | 247
“I have personally never known an Egyptian to enforce anything diligently during my time in the middle east. A bunch of shysters to the man …”
I have dealt with an Egyptian investor and his two sons who live in Cairo and they are the most honourable businessman that I have worked with in 40 years. They are polite, charming, well read and never have they gone against their word.
So your ugly bigotry that all Egyptians are, ‘a bunch of shysters to the man”, is inaccurate, unseemly and morally disgusting.
Perhaps , you are unconsciously projecting your own inadequacies.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 11:24 utc | 612

We are past the inflection point. Referring to an earlier thread, Israel did not say “Oops! ICC come and get us” but instead they are quadrupling down. It is a truism the US could stop this but the fact it doesn’t suggests the US is using Israel to provide itself with plausible deniability. The Middle East will never be the same that’s for sure and Netanyahu is only too eager to dig his own hole. Biden may be a puppet but whose puppet? Or does his decrepitude just provide him with an alibi too?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 11:28 utc | 613

We are past the inflection point. Referring to an earlier thread, Israel did not say “Oops! ICC come and get us” but instead they are quadrupling down. It is a truism the US could stop this but the fact it doesn’t suggests the US is using Israel to provide itself with plausible deniability. The Middle East will never be the same that’s for sure and Netanyahu is only too eager to dig his own hole. Biden may be a puppet but whose puppet? Or does his decrepitude just provide him with an alibi too?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 11:28 utc | 614

@Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 18 2023 8:25 utc | 282
I think the carriers are intended for an attempt to ‘level Libanon’ if Hezbollah makes a serious attack on Israel
Be aware that the explosion in Beirut 2020 is believed to have been caused by a nuclear weapon and not a fertiliser type of ‘accidental’ bomb.
@juliania | Nov 18 2023 6:34 utc | 268
I agree about zionism not being a religion but an evil cult
Associates of Larouche reported that zionism was just one of 10 cults created by the Oxford movement some ‘christian’ some ‘jewish’.
This is mentioned in the article
B’nai B’rith, British Weapon Against America by Paul Goldstein
in http://www.wlym.com/archive/campaigner/7812.pdf
“The founder of B’nai B’rith, contrary to official histories,
was Henry Lord Palmerston, then British Foreign Minister, who simultaneously created the entire international Zionist movement, in the period of 1843-1860.
Zionism was only one of tens of cults created under Palmerston, some “Jewish” and some “Christian” in name, and spread across Europe and America as subversive arms of the British Empire.
Each cult was modeled on the Ashmolean Scottish Rite of Freemasonry — of which Palmerston was Grand Master — itself modeled on Ptolemaic Egypt’s death cult of Isis.
B’nai B’rith emerged in 1842 as the American extension of the
“Jewish” Rite of Freemasonry in America

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 18 2023 11:44 utc | 615

@Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 18 2023 8:25 utc | 282
I think the carriers are intended for an attempt to ‘level Libanon’ if Hezbollah makes a serious attack on Israel
Be aware that the explosion in Beirut 2020 is believed to have been caused by a nuclear weapon and not a fertiliser type of ‘accidental’ bomb.
@juliania | Nov 18 2023 6:34 utc | 268
I agree about zionism not being a religion but an evil cult
Associates of Larouche reported that zionism was just one of 10 cults created by the Oxford movement some ‘christian’ some ‘jewish’.
This is mentioned in the article
B’nai B’rith, British Weapon Against America by Paul Goldstein
in http://www.wlym.com/archive/campaigner/7812.pdf
“The founder of B’nai B’rith, contrary to official histories,
was Henry Lord Palmerston, then British Foreign Minister, who simultaneously created the entire international Zionist movement, in the period of 1843-1860.
Zionism was only one of tens of cults created under Palmerston, some “Jewish” and some “Christian” in name, and spread across Europe and America as subversive arms of the British Empire.
Each cult was modeled on the Ashmolean Scottish Rite of Freemasonry — of which Palmerston was Grand Master — itself modeled on Ptolemaic Egypt’s death cult of Isis.
B’nai B’rith emerged in 1842 as the American extension of the
“Jewish” Rite of Freemasonry in America

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 18 2023 11:44 utc | 616

Posted by: Suzan | Nov 18 2023 3:39 utc | 241
“Prophet after prophet described the Lord as being so displeased with Israel on so many occasions for deviating from his commandments that he withdrew his protection and condemned the land to which Moses had led his followers to be conquered as…”
With all due respect, Susan, I don’t understand the reasoning.
If God is omniscient knowing everything how can he be ‘displeased’ with ancient Jewish behaviour if he is omniscient? Nothing should surprise him so the logic is warped.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 11:57 utc | 617

Posted by: Suzan | Nov 18 2023 3:39 utc | 241
“Prophet after prophet described the Lord as being so displeased with Israel on so many occasions for deviating from his commandments that he withdrew his protection and condemned the land to which Moses had led his followers to be conquered as…”
With all due respect, Susan, I don’t understand the reasoning.
If God is omniscient knowing everything how can he be ‘displeased’ with ancient Jewish behaviour if he is omniscient? Nothing should surprise him so the logic is warped.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 11:57 utc | 618

pq | Nov 18 2023 10:28 utc | 300
“And apparently “decolonization” and “from the river to the sea” are now banned on Twitter. Greenblatt has personally thanked Elon.”
This kind of thing keeps happening. Whether Musk is trolling all of humanity or whether he’s the most unfocused, impulsive and spineless weathervane in the world, is hard to tell. I expect nothing ultimately good to come from him.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 18 2023 11:57 utc | 619

pq | Nov 18 2023 10:28 utc | 300
“And apparently “decolonization” and “from the river to the sea” are now banned on Twitter. Greenblatt has personally thanked Elon.”
This kind of thing keeps happening. Whether Musk is trolling all of humanity or whether he’s the most unfocused, impulsive and spineless weathervane in the world, is hard to tell. I expect nothing ultimately good to come from him.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 18 2023 11:57 utc | 620

Dugin on Zionism’s dialectical relation to Judaism.
“Why is Zionism, on one hand, a continuation of Judaism and, on the other, its refutation?”
https://www.geopolitika.ru/en/article/essence-zionism

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 18 2023 11:59 utc | 621

Dugin on Zionism’s dialectical relation to Judaism.
“Why is Zionism, on one hand, a continuation of Judaism and, on the other, its refutation?”
https://www.geopolitika.ru/en/article/essence-zionism

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Nov 18 2023 11:59 utc | 622

Posted by: jared | Nov 17 2023 15:52 utc | 21
All Ashkenazi Israelis should emigrate to the US and Europe where they belong.

Posted by: RB | Nov 18 2023 12:00 utc | 623

Posted by: jared | Nov 17 2023 15:52 utc | 21
All Ashkenazi Israelis should emigrate to the US and Europe where they belong.

Posted by: RB | Nov 18 2023 12:00 utc | 624

“All Ashkenazi Israelis should emigrate to the US and Europe where they belong.”
No, not Europe, thank you. Send them overseas, to Jew York.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 12:06 utc | 625

“All Ashkenazi Israelis should emigrate to the US and Europe where they belong.”
No, not Europe, thank you. Send them overseas, to Jew York.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 12:06 utc | 626

Anyway Netanyahu is toast. Israeli courts will not give a hoot about the genocide in Gaza but instead there will be charges – and convictions – against him regarding the fact – or allegation – that he in effect allowed Hamas to undertake the attack on October 7 in the first place and subsequently endangered the lives of the hostages and Israeli servicemen. All those charges hinge on his eagerness to seek a military “solution” which in turn was strongly encoraged, to say the least, by the US, as is patently obvious, judging by the overwhelming US military presence in the region – regardless of who it is ultimately directed against. I am tempted to think that the Jews (or Zionists if you prefer) are acting as a cover because everybody hates them, as is also patently obvious just by reading the comments on MoA.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 12:23 utc | 627

Anyway Netanyahu is toast. Israeli courts will not give a hoot about the genocide in Gaza but instead there will be charges – and convictions – against him regarding the fact – or allegation – that he in effect allowed Hamas to undertake the attack on October 7 in the first place and subsequently endangered the lives of the hostages and Israeli servicemen. All those charges hinge on his eagerness to seek a military “solution” which in turn was strongly encoraged, to say the least, by the US, as is patently obvious, judging by the overwhelming US military presence in the region – regardless of who it is ultimately directed against. I am tempted to think that the Jews (or Zionists if you prefer) are acting as a cover because everybody hates them, as is also patently obvious just by reading the comments on MoA.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 18 2023 12:23 utc | 628

Perhaps , you are unconsciously projecting your own inadequacies.
Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 11:24 utc | 306
No. I’m consciously projecting my own experiences.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 12:35 utc | 629

Perhaps , you are unconsciously projecting your own inadequacies.
Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 11:24 utc | 306
No. I’m consciously projecting my own experiences.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 18 2023 12:35 utc | 630

Posted by: Bilaal | Nov 18 2023 11:04 utc | 304
That’s not accurate. The Zionist state has only recently started making biblical noises – that used to be their fringe element.
The closest things resembling the whitened sepulchers are the hypocrite Mullahs of the Islamic Republic occupying Iran and their Muslim Vatican “project”. This should be clear to any sincere believer.
They do everything the Pharisees did and Jesus rejected. If Jesus were to come to Iran today, he may have a “stoning” moment with the Morality Police. This state that kills its political opponents while calling them “enemies of God” is the current career of the clerical disease, which the Pharisees exemplify and comprehensively described in sufficient detail for you, dear reader of words of God’s prophets, to compare with your current uppity bipeds among you who claim extraordinary positions and proximity to the divine.
Poor messengers of God were subjected to all sorts of quizzing and testing before people accepted their claim even though, as it is repeatedly insisted in Qur’an, they always added that “we do not want anything from you nor sent to be over you”. But the Sepulchers of Islamic Republic want all sorts of things from you! They do want to lord it over you! And like the Sanhedrin of Pharisee, they sent thugs in the streets to enforce their regime.
It is uncanny.
It is an interesting thing. One tribe rejects a true Messiah. Another has accepted a false one (Velayateh Faqih).
As for your Christians who think you know better than Muslims about Jesus Son of Mary (AS), not a single one of you knows why Jesus drew lines on the sand when the ‘Morality Police’ brought a prostitute, “caught in the very act”, to him to pass judgement.
Unless you are of Israel, the actual living body of souls who are not “Jewish” by any means btw, Muhammad’s covenant and the tent of mercy for his followers is your only hope for salvation. Jesus himself will indicate this when he returns as a Muslim.
Two pillars stand before the temple,B & J. A Priest and a King are anointed. But first the “false ones” must come and beguile those who have been deemed gullible and guilty. These two will ONLY come after the synagogue of Satan has rolled out its false messiah (the anti-Christ / Dijal) and its false universal “unified world religion”.
P.s. a very reliable method of discerning whether the super religious fundie (of whatever flavor) you encounter belongs to the “dark side” is their enthusiasm for “end times” or entertaining rabbinical whimsy such as “forcing God’s hand”. That is not how it works. Really.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 18 2023 12:57 utc | 631

Posted by: Bilaal | Nov 18 2023 11:04 utc | 304
That’s not accurate. The Zionist state has only recently started making biblical noises – that used to be their fringe element.
The closest things resembling the whitened sepulchers are the hypocrite Mullahs of the Islamic Republic occupying Iran and their Muslim Vatican “project”. This should be clear to any sincere believer.
They do everything the Pharisees did and Jesus rejected. If Jesus were to come to Iran today, he may have a “stoning” moment with the Morality Police. This state that kills its political opponents while calling them “enemies of God” is the current career of the clerical disease, which the Pharisees exemplify and comprehensively described in sufficient detail for you, dear reader of words of God’s prophets, to compare with your current uppity bipeds among you who claim extraordinary positions and proximity to the divine.
Poor messengers of God were subjected to all sorts of quizzing and testing before people accepted their claim even though, as it is repeatedly insisted in Qur’an, they always added that “we do not want anything from you nor sent to be over you”. But the Sepulchers of Islamic Republic want all sorts of things from you! They do want to lord it over you! And like the Sanhedrin of Pharisee, they sent thugs in the streets to enforce their regime.
It is uncanny.
It is an interesting thing. One tribe rejects a true Messiah. Another has accepted a false one (Velayateh Faqih).
As for your Christians who think you know better than Muslims about Jesus Son of Mary (AS), not a single one of you knows why Jesus drew lines on the sand when the ‘Morality Police’ brought a prostitute, “caught in the very act”, to him to pass judgement.
Unless you are of Israel, the actual living body of souls who are not “Jewish” by any means btw, Muhammad’s covenant and the tent of mercy for his followers is your only hope for salvation. Jesus himself will indicate this when he returns as a Muslim.
Two pillars stand before the temple,B & J. A Priest and a King are anointed. But first the “false ones” must come and beguile those who have been deemed gullible and guilty. These two will ONLY come after the synagogue of Satan has rolled out its false messiah (the anti-Christ / Dijal) and its false universal “unified world religion”.
P.s. a very reliable method of discerning whether the super religious fundie (of whatever flavor) you encounter belongs to the “dark side” is their enthusiasm for “end times” or entertaining rabbinical whimsy such as “forcing God’s hand”. That is not how it works. Really.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 18 2023 12:57 utc | 632

Death to Israel!
Death to the USA!
Death to all Zionists!
https://t.me/myLordBebo/13740

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 13:47 utc | 633

Death to Israel!
Death to the USA!
Death to all Zionists!
https://t.me/myLordBebo/13740

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 13:47 utc | 634

The bloodthirsty Zionist ethnic cleansers are bombing every hospital in Gaza, every school, every building. They have destroyed tens of thousands of buildings already. All that is left is a huge mountain of rubble, no schools, no hospitals, no housing, no electricity, no water, no sanitation, no businesses, no nothing. The aim is to make it totally inhabitable. There will be nothing to support human life, like the surface of the moon. Zionists have always murdered as many civilians as possible. It’s what they do. They just want to murder as many Palestinians as they can to satisfy their blood lust and grab the whole territory emptied of its population. A lot of it is simple blood lust. What they are doing is just like the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943 – but on a vastly greater scale. The Nazis were laggards in the genocide stakes by comparison. This is not limited to the north. They are doing exactly the same in the southern part of the strip as well.
And all this is fully supported and enabled by the Pro Genocide states – US/ UK/ EU. The UK has supplied 33 plane loads of bombs and weapons to kill Palestinian kids. The US has been supplying 50 plane loads A DAY. They are plumbing new depths of evil – it’s like sending plane loads of machetes to the Rwanda genocide.

Posted by: anon | Nov 18 2023 13:57 utc | 635

The bloodthirsty Zionist ethnic cleansers are bombing every hospital in Gaza, every school, every building. They have destroyed tens of thousands of buildings already. All that is left is a huge mountain of rubble, no schools, no hospitals, no housing, no electricity, no water, no sanitation, no businesses, no nothing. The aim is to make it totally inhabitable. There will be nothing to support human life, like the surface of the moon. Zionists have always murdered as many civilians as possible. It’s what they do. They just want to murder as many Palestinians as they can to satisfy their blood lust and grab the whole territory emptied of its population. A lot of it is simple blood lust. What they are doing is just like the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943 – but on a vastly greater scale. The Nazis were laggards in the genocide stakes by comparison. This is not limited to the north. They are doing exactly the same in the southern part of the strip as well.
And all this is fully supported and enabled by the Pro Genocide states – US/ UK/ EU. The UK has supplied 33 plane loads of bombs and weapons to kill Palestinian kids. The US has been supplying 50 plane loads A DAY. They are plumbing new depths of evil – it’s like sending plane loads of machetes to the Rwanda genocide.

Posted by: anon | Nov 18 2023 13:57 utc | 636

“The Israeli army forced the sick and wounded out of the Al Shifa Complex, and six dialysis patients and 22 intensive care staff have died.
We expect that dozens of wounded will lose their lives on the way [to southern Gaza] after being expelled from the Shifa Medical Complex by the Israeli army.”
— The General Director of Hospitals in Gaza to Jazeera

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:01 utc | 637

“The Israeli army forced the sick and wounded out of the Al Shifa Complex, and six dialysis patients and 22 intensive care staff have died.
We expect that dozens of wounded will lose their lives on the way [to southern Gaza] after being expelled from the Shifa Medical Complex by the Israeli army.”
— The General Director of Hospitals in Gaza to Jazeera

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:01 utc | 638

Death to Israel!
Death to the USA!
Death to all Zionists!
https://t.me/myLordBebo/13740
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 13:47 utc | 317
Thanks, this is helpful.
So here we have a manifestation of one reason for the evil ones to hijack holy symbols, signs, and religions.
Two projects, one is called “Israel” and “Zion”-ist, and the other one fashioned as “Islamic” and “Shia”. The projects do unspeakable things and so many rightly hate on them. But per instruction, they express their hate for stolen holy symbols and religions, and not the thing itself.
“Death to the Zionist project”. Sure, why not. It is *inevitable*. But death to “Israel”? Isn’t that what God renamed Jacob’AS)? So death to Jacob? That doesn’t sound “Islamic” to me. There are also plenty of “Stars of David” in mosques and shrines all over Muslim lands.
Why should we step on “star of David”?
Why not step on pictures of Herzl or Ben Gurian? Why express hate for symbols and names that we KNOW to be part of Islamic civilization?
Spoiler: today’s wordl puzzle’s solution is THINK

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 18 2023 14:08 utc | 639

Death to Israel!
Death to the USA!
Death to all Zionists!
https://t.me/myLordBebo/13740
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 13:47 utc | 317
Thanks, this is helpful.
So here we have a manifestation of one reason for the evil ones to hijack holy symbols, signs, and religions.
Two projects, one is called “Israel” and “Zion”-ist, and the other one fashioned as “Islamic” and “Shia”. The projects do unspeakable things and so many rightly hate on them. But per instruction, they express their hate for stolen holy symbols and religions, and not the thing itself.
“Death to the Zionist project”. Sure, why not. It is *inevitable*. But death to “Israel”? Isn’t that what God renamed Jacob’AS)? So death to Jacob? That doesn’t sound “Islamic” to me. There are also plenty of “Stars of David” in mosques and shrines all over Muslim lands.
Why should we step on “star of David”?
Why not step on pictures of Herzl or Ben Gurian? Why express hate for symbols and names that we KNOW to be part of Islamic civilization?
Spoiler: today’s wordl puzzle’s solution is THINK

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 18 2023 14:08 utc | 640

“today’s wordl puzzle’s solution is THINK”
Today’s world puzzle’s solution is THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN KILL THEM ALL.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:26 utc | 641

“today’s wordl puzzle’s solution is THINK”
Today’s world puzzle’s solution is THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN KILL THEM ALL.

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:26 utc | 642

Today’s world puzzle’s solution is THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN KILL THEM ALL.
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:26 utc | 321
You are proving to be particularly helpful. Thank you.
So here is the other aspect of the effect of the projects on the collective consciousness of mankind. Engendering hatred and attracting the type that wallows in it. Hatred is a corrosive mental state and never indicative of mental or spiritual health.
“ THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN KILL THEM ALL”
That above is not a cry of the oppressed. That is a ‘demonic howl’ from a denizen of hell. The “projects” attract this type, have you noticed? On both sides, demons are howling for spilling blood and “killing”. These can roughly be sorted into bins “professional”, “impressionable”, “unstable”, and “demonic”.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 18 2023 14:59 utc | 643

Today’s world puzzle’s solution is THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN KILL THEM ALL.
Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 14:26 utc | 321
You are proving to be particularly helpful. Thank you.
So here is the other aspect of the effect of the projects on the collective consciousness of mankind. Engendering hatred and attracting the type that wallows in it. Hatred is a corrosive mental state and never indicative of mental or spiritual health.
“ THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN KILL THEM ALL”
That above is not a cry of the oppressed. That is a ‘demonic howl’ from a denizen of hell. The “projects” attract this type, have you noticed? On both sides, demons are howling for spilling blood and “killing”. These can roughly be sorted into bins “professional”, “impressionable”, “unstable”, and “demonic”.

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 18 2023 14:59 utc | 644

The Palestinian Aiuthority already has for FIFTEEEN YEARS war crimes actions against Israel in the ICC
Posted by: pq | Nov 18 2023 10:06 utc | 293
That information is not quite correct.
ICJ advisory opinions
Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory
judgment 09.07.04
pending
Relocation of the United States Embassy to Jerusalem (Palestine v. United States of America)(2018)
Commission of Inquiry welcomes General Assembly resolution requesting an ICJ Advisory Opinion relating to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory (31.12.22)

ICC | ICC-01/18 investigation (03.03.21)

ICJ | index
DEFAULT DISPLAY: all. The court’s case history is surprisingly brief. Docket duration of each is ridiculously long—one notable exception being Ukraine’s parallel complaints in both the ICJ, ICC, and UNGA. Indicative, really, of the prejudices of the G7 states dominating both tribunals. NB: Familiarize yourself with jurisdictions of the courts. The UN Charter vests ICJ jurisdiction in State v State disputes of 3 types pertaining to findings of “customary” international law; enforcement of judgment and orders may be referred to UNSC police authorities. The 2002 “Rome Statute” (not a UN Charter article) vests ICC jurisdiction in State v. State parties, State parties v. non-state parties, and wtf v. person criminal complaints of 4 types—effectively, selective prosecution of UN Conventions and “Rome” all-purpose statutory prohibition of “aggression” (agreed 2018) pertaining to findings of fact; enforcement of judgment is wholly dependent on signatories’ cooperation.

If a verdict of guilt is not upheld, the person [defendant] may be released.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 645

The Palestinian Aiuthority already has for FIFTEEEN YEARS war crimes actions against Israel in the ICC
Posted by: pq | Nov 18 2023 10:06 utc | 293
That information is not quite correct.
ICJ advisory opinions
Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory
judgment 09.07.04
pending
Relocation of the United States Embassy to Jerusalem (Palestine v. United States of America)(2018)
Commission of Inquiry welcomes General Assembly resolution requesting an ICJ Advisory Opinion relating to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory (31.12.22)

ICC | ICC-01/18 investigation (03.03.21)

ICJ | index
DEFAULT DISPLAY: all. The court’s case history is surprisingly brief. Docket duration of each is ridiculously long—one notable exception being Ukraine’s parallel complaints in both the ICJ, ICC, and UNGA. Indicative, really, of the prejudices of the G7 states dominating both tribunals. NB: Familiarize yourself with jurisdictions of the courts. The UN Charter vests ICJ jurisdiction in State v State disputes of 3 types pertaining to findings of “customary” international law; enforcement of judgment and orders may be referred to UNSC police authorities. The 2002 “Rome Statute” (not a UN Charter article) vests ICC jurisdiction in State v. State parties, State parties v. non-state parties, and wtf v. person criminal complaints of 4 types—effectively, selective prosecution of UN Conventions and “Rome” all-purpose statutory prohibition of “aggression” (agreed 2018) pertaining to findings of fact; enforcement of judgment is wholly dependent on signatories’ cooperation.

If a verdict of guilt is not upheld, the person [defendant] may be released.

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 18 2023 15:02 utc | 646

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 17 2023 15:39 utc | 12
Israeli hardliners can always points to posts like that and get away with justifying all these brutal military actions.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Nov 18 2023 16:00 utc | 647

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 17 2023 15:39 utc | 12
Israeli hardliners can always points to posts like that and get away with justifying all these brutal military actions.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Nov 18 2023 16:00 utc | 648

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 12:06 utc | 313
“All Ashkenazi Israelis should emigrate to the US and Europe where they belong.”
No, not Europe, thank you. Send them overseas, to Jew York.

Jews comprise a displaced tribe wandering in the wilderness of cosmopolitan canyons, living as minorities in larger nations. This promotes intra-tribal cooperation making them adept at positioning themselves in key organizational and commercial zones, both dependent upon other populations whilst remaining forever a ‘chosen’ breed apart.
Inevitably, they control too much so dozens of host populations have had to banish them. The world needs a nation of Israel to stop Jews from undermining so many host populations.
However, from being dependent upon other nations to being responsible for their own nation is an enormous, perhaps unsurmountable, paradigm shift. Despite Israel’s establishment, diaspora Jews in host nations have increased in numbers and influence. Israel both siphons off huge amounts of money and influence whilst also serving as an outpost of Hegemony in the Middle East, both as instigator for her own eschatological purposes and an enabler for the international oligarch class. Both current war zones are run by Jews; chaos and violence is what they do. The whole thing is a sorry mess involving non-stop agitation, destabilization, crime and bitter recriminations.
Conundrum: how to provide a solution for a people whose very existence depends upon always being outsiders looking in, always conniving to advantage itself against the wishes and needs of their host populations?
Meanwhile the bodies pile up in Gaza, day after day, whilst the national debt in the West – their most pernicious contribution – inexorably rises, minute by minute. Something must be done. It’s time for an intervention.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2023 16:49 utc | 649

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 18 2023 12:06 utc | 313
“All Ashkenazi Israelis should emigrate to the US and Europe where they belong.”
No, not Europe, thank you. Send them overseas, to Jew York.

Jews comprise a displaced tribe wandering in the wilderness of cosmopolitan canyons, living as minorities in larger nations. This promotes intra-tribal cooperation making them adept at positioning themselves in key organizational and commercial zones, both dependent upon other populations whilst remaining forever a ‘chosen’ breed apart.
Inevitably, they control too much so dozens of host populations have had to banish them. The world needs a nation of Israel to stop Jews from undermining so many host populations.
However, from being dependent upon other nations to being responsible for their own nation is an enormous, perhaps unsurmountable, paradigm shift. Despite Israel’s establishment, diaspora Jews in host nations have increased in numbers and influence. Israel both siphons off huge amounts of money and influence whilst also serving as an outpost of Hegemony in the Middle East, both as instigator for her own eschatological purposes and an enabler for the international oligarch class. Both current war zones are run by Jews; chaos and violence is what they do. The whole thing is a sorry mess involving non-stop agitation, destabilization, crime and bitter recriminations.
Conundrum: how to provide a solution for a people whose very existence depends upon always being outsiders looking in, always conniving to advantage itself against the wishes and needs of their host populations?
Meanwhile the bodies pile up in Gaza, day after day, whilst the national debt in the West – their most pernicious contribution – inexorably rises, minute by minute. Something must be done. It’s time for an intervention.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 18 2023 16:49 utc | 650

But it would end the peace treaty with Israel.
Posted by: Cabe | Nov 17 2023 15:47 utc | 18
A peace treaty with israel. Hey satan, is it ok if I take a little peaceful nap next to you? You’re not going to slit my throat, take my money, slaughter my family?

Posted by: Michael A | Nov 18 2023 17:04 utc | 651

But it would end the peace treaty with Israel.
Posted by: Cabe | Nov 17 2023 15:47 utc | 18
A peace treaty with israel. Hey satan, is it ok if I take a little peaceful nap next to you? You’re not going to slit my throat, take my money, slaughter my family?

Posted by: Michael A | Nov 18 2023 17:04 utc | 652

New Poem
I posted this on another thread but it was lost and I have added to it so it is now complete
where are my striped pajamas
My crime is that of living
on my ancestral home
gave to men that hate me
by some king upon a throne
I sit here on the rubble
deep beneath my family lies
even though I know they’re gone
I still hear my daughter’s cries
to them we are not human.
to them we do not bleed
to them they are entitled
their hatred serves their greed
They came to steal our land
the country of our birth
they burnd our fields and left us
this little patch of earth.
even this they can’t abide
so finally it’s genocide
you watched this time on tv
still it seems you do not see
eighty years and counting
how long must we endure
with your apathy and money
our ending is assured
where is my museum?
selective holocaust
ther’ve been so many Mai Lai’s
since humanity was lost

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 17:38 utc | 653

New Poem
I posted this on another thread but it was lost and I have added to it so it is now complete
where are my striped pajamas
My crime is that of living
on my ancestral home
gave to men that hate me
by some king upon a throne
I sit here on the rubble
deep beneath my family lies
even though I know they’re gone
I still hear my daughter’s cries
to them we are not human.
to them we do not bleed
to them they are entitled
their hatred serves their greed
They came to steal our land
the country of our birth
they burnd our fields and left us
this little patch of earth.
even this they can’t abide
so finally it’s genocide
you watched this time on tv
still it seems you do not see
eighty years and counting
how long must we endure
with your apathy and money
our ending is assured
where is my museum?
selective holocaust
ther’ve been so many Mai Lai’s
since humanity was lost

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 17:38 utc | 654

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 18 2023 11:44 utc | 308
‘cult’ is excellent, peter. I was thinking just now in terms of Waco,Texas — which even though much smaller was not handled well. And just as the US has traded on its previous times of actual peaceful interaction with the world at large, so zionism has traded on the world’s perception of judaism.
It might be good for all honorable faiths if we simply refuse to capitalize their names. I would be perfectly happy, to be simply called an orthodox christian, to remind myself that this ought not to ever be considered an exclusive State religious entity. Allowing for a mixture of cultures within a State seems to be the ideal solution as all faiths have positive aspects to them, each seeking beautiful ways to express themselves and in general ready to contribute to the overall peaceful complexity that makes life interesting and enjoyable.
Perhaps that will happen again in Palestine. That is such a beautiful name for a State, I think. Large, and promising. It had seemed to be perfectly prepared for such a role, having so many different holy places originating there. Surely that can be its future as memorably as its past has been!
Not yet, sadly, but some day.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2023 17:59 utc | 655

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 18 2023 11:44 utc | 308
‘cult’ is excellent, peter. I was thinking just now in terms of Waco,Texas — which even though much smaller was not handled well. And just as the US has traded on its previous times of actual peaceful interaction with the world at large, so zionism has traded on the world’s perception of judaism.
It might be good for all honorable faiths if we simply refuse to capitalize their names. I would be perfectly happy, to be simply called an orthodox christian, to remind myself that this ought not to ever be considered an exclusive State religious entity. Allowing for a mixture of cultures within a State seems to be the ideal solution as all faiths have positive aspects to them, each seeking beautiful ways to express themselves and in general ready to contribute to the overall peaceful complexity that makes life interesting and enjoyable.
Perhaps that will happen again in Palestine. That is such a beautiful name for a State, I think. Large, and promising. It had seemed to be perfectly prepared for such a role, having so many different holy places originating there. Surely that can be its future as memorably as its past has been!
Not yet, sadly, but some day.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2023 17:59 utc | 656

Have you heard the latest from Scott Ritter in his All is lost… talk ? That was brutal.

Posted by: Stephane | Nov 18 2023 20:29 utc | 657

Have you heard the latest from Scott Ritter in his All is lost… talk ? That was brutal.

Posted by: Stephane | Nov 18 2023 20:29 utc | 658

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 17:38 utc | 327
Very well done.

Posted by: Stephane | Nov 18 2023 20:31 utc | 659

Posted by: ld | Nov 18 2023 17:38 utc | 327
Very well done.

Posted by: Stephane | Nov 18 2023 20:31 utc | 660

“The intentionally created misery will be used to put pressure on Egypt and others to open their borders for refugees.”

I agree with b. It is the only way that I can see any reason in the Israelis’ behavior. They intend to remove all Palestinians from Gaza, and where can those people go except into Egypt? (since crossing the northern border is not possible). Egypt resists, very reasonably, because it has its own problems and would be greatly destabilized by the influx of 2 Million Palestinian refugees into the Sinai region. But, after the Israelis have created a sufficiently terrible humanitarian crisis in the south of Gaza, they expect Egypt to yield in favor of saving the lives of the Palestinians. (A clever strategy, in my humble opinion.)
But, personally, I think the Israelis are smoking cigarettes while sitting on a keg of dynamite. And that pushing the Gazan Palestinians into Egypt will only make the situation worse.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Nov 18 2023 20:39 utc | 661

“The intentionally created misery will be used to put pressure on Egypt and others to open their borders for refugees.”

I agree with b. It is the only way that I can see any reason in the Israelis’ behavior. They intend to remove all Palestinians from Gaza, and where can those people go except into Egypt? (since crossing the northern border is not possible). Egypt resists, very reasonably, because it has its own problems and would be greatly destabilized by the influx of 2 Million Palestinian refugees into the Sinai region. But, after the Israelis have created a sufficiently terrible humanitarian crisis in the south of Gaza, they expect Egypt to yield in favor of saving the lives of the Palestinians. (A clever strategy, in my humble opinion.)
But, personally, I think the Israelis are smoking cigarettes while sitting on a keg of dynamite. And that pushing the Gazan Palestinians into Egypt will only make the situation worse.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Nov 18 2023 20:39 utc | 662

juliania | Nov 18 2023 17:59 utc | 328
A period of turbulence violence and sacrifice changes people for a time. In the several decades following, babies are thrown out with the bathwater. There will be a good section of Palestinians who now hate all jews/Israelis regardless of them being zionists or if they have protested/spoken out against the way Palestinians have been treated.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 20:44 utc | 663

juliania | Nov 18 2023 17:59 utc | 328
A period of turbulence violence and sacrifice changes people for a time. In the several decades following, babies are thrown out with the bathwater. There will be a good section of Palestinians who now hate all jews/Israelis regardless of them being zionists or if they have protested/spoken out against the way Palestinians have been treated.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 20:44 utc | 664

If the cutouts known as ‘organized religions’ did not exist, they would have to be invented by the perennial demented hidden psychofascist ruling elitesters. How could this be doubted by anyone? Of course there are always benign ‘minimally organized believers’, but ‘organized religion’ was always the sharpest knife in the holster for every demented sadistic hidden psychofascist ruling elitester.

Posted by: blues | Nov 18 2023 21:21 utc | 665

If the cutouts known as ‘organized religions’ did not exist, they would have to be invented by the perennial demented hidden psychofascist ruling elitesters. How could this be doubted by anyone? Of course there are always benign ‘minimally organized believers’, but ‘organized religion’ was always the sharpest knife in the holster for every demented sadistic hidden psychofascist ruling elitester.

Posted by: blues | Nov 18 2023 21:21 utc | 666

oldhippie | Nov 17 2023 15:33 utc | 8
***We should laugh these clowns off the stage. Instead we feast and fete them, give them money and weapons.***
Not only that — the ‘western’ political establishment inflicts nore and more laws to prohibit and punish any dissent or even serious questioning within and by the general public about zionist views, behaviour and agendas.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:02 utc | 667

oldhippie | Nov 17 2023 15:33 utc | 8
***We should laugh these clowns off the stage. Instead we feast and fete them, give them money and weapons.***
Not only that — the ‘western’ political establishment inflicts nore and more laws to prohibit and punish any dissent or even serious questioning within and by the general public about zionist views, behaviour and agendas.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:02 utc | 668

Kevin | Nov 17 2023 15:33 utc | 9
*** An opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, penned by center-left and right authors is calling on the West to take in Gaza refugees. And they justify it by saying that Hamas is a threat to Gazans!
What Gazans are left after the bombing campaign or by a disease outbreak will be offloaded on Western nations.***
It is of course mere coincidence that such a process one way or the other would permanently remove the legal owners (the Palestinians) of billions of dollars worth of gas and oil in Palestinian territory …. of which the Israeli theft would then be unopposed.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:09 utc | 669

Kevin | Nov 17 2023 15:33 utc | 9
*** An opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, penned by center-left and right authors is calling on the West to take in Gaza refugees. And they justify it by saying that Hamas is a threat to Gazans!
What Gazans are left after the bombing campaign or by a disease outbreak will be offloaded on Western nations.***
It is of course mere coincidence that such a process one way or the other would permanently remove the legal owners (the Palestinians) of billions of dollars worth of gas and oil in Palestinian territory …. of which the Israeli theft would then be unopposed.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:09 utc | 670

w | Nov 17 2023 15:49 utc | 19
*** But Israel is the colonial project of USA. And as long as it is, Israel will always create troubles with all their neighbours ***
The eventual USA was once a colonial project of the UK, and now it is a colonial project of the Zionists.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:23 utc | 671

w | Nov 17 2023 15:49 utc | 19
*** But Israel is the colonial project of USA. And as long as it is, Israel will always create troubles with all their neighbours ***
The eventual USA was once a colonial project of the UK, and now it is a colonial project of the Zionists.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:23 utc | 672

justruth | Nov 17 2023 15:52 utc | 20
*** You have to how many Russian jews living in Israel will move back to Russia now. Russian population is going to be growing faster than expected in the next few years.***
To allow that would be a suicidal move on the part of Russia, and treason by its rulers.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:27 utc | 673

justruth | Nov 17 2023 15:52 utc | 20
*** You have to how many Russian jews living in Israel will move back to Russia now. Russian population is going to be growing faster than expected in the next few years.***
To allow that would be a suicidal move on the part of Russia, and treason by its rulers.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:27 utc | 674

Let not righteous anger lead to indiscriminant hate, for in that ensuing chaos the villain hides his escape. Destroy their excuses and expose their lies, for then their villainy can nowhere flee to hide. Gift others with eyes to see them as they are, so as to harden their hearts to their web of lies; a moving stone crashes through chains of silk, a discerning blade pierces and cuts through it too.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 18 2023 22:35 utc | 675

Let not righteous anger lead to indiscriminant hate, for in that ensuing chaos the villain hides his escape. Destroy their excuses and expose their lies, for then their villainy can nowhere flee to hide. Gift others with eyes to see them as they are, so as to harden their hearts to their web of lies; a moving stone crashes through chains of silk, a discerning blade pierces and cuts through it too.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 18 2023 22:35 utc | 676

jared | Nov 17 2023 15:52 utc | 21
*** It has been claimed that Hamas is preventing people from leaving – don’t know if that is true.
Best thing they could do is get out of there – go somewhere lead happy and productive life keeping children safe.
I believe that Russia has offered refuge – common sense.***
How very lucratively convenient for the Israeli kleptomanics.
*** There may one day be a time to return.***
How, exactly?
Palestinian population destitute and displaced …
how convenient. can they take the oil and gas with them?
“may one day” — in reality, the answer being never.
as you pretend not to know

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:37 utc | 677

jared | Nov 17 2023 15:52 utc | 21
*** It has been claimed that Hamas is preventing people from leaving – don’t know if that is true.
Best thing they could do is get out of there – go somewhere lead happy and productive life keeping children safe.
I believe that Russia has offered refuge – common sense.***
How very lucratively convenient for the Israeli kleptomanics.
*** There may one day be a time to return.***
How, exactly?
Palestinian population destitute and displaced …
how convenient. can they take the oil and gas with them?
“may one day” — in reality, the answer being never.
as you pretend not to know

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 22:37 utc | 678

Pq | Nov 17 2023 17:39 utc | 62
*** Trade unions across the world eg are on the side of “civilization”.***
Via leaders, most Unions in the UK seem to support the Ukronazis.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 23:07 utc | 679

Pq | Nov 17 2023 17:39 utc | 62
*** Trade unions across the world eg are on the side of “civilization”.***
Via leaders, most Unions in the UK seem to support the Ukronazis.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 18 2023 23:07 utc | 680

I’ll risk a generalisation based on observation about the content of some new-ish (?) and some regulars posts in the bars threads suddenly – is it just me or does there appear to be some Narrative Management coming through, with some limited hangout – even amongst the various alternative anti-establishmentarians, and who have been controlled opposition, gate keeper types that I have pretty much stopped listening to much. I heard that the rule of spooks was that once a Company Man ALWAYS a company man.
There is no such thing as a ex-spy.
Real whistleblowers get sent down and silenced, often assassinated if their deaths are easily covered up and they haven’t set up deadman’s handle insurance policies.
Anyways – there is subtle messaging change, obviously scripted because it is coming from multiple posters – I’ll try and narrow it down over time. Something to do with Max, Scott, Larry and the btl troll bots around.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 19 2023 0:27 utc | 681

I’ll risk a generalisation based on observation about the content of some new-ish (?) and some regulars posts in the bars threads suddenly – is it just me or does there appear to be some Narrative Management coming through, with some limited hangout – even amongst the various alternative anti-establishmentarians, and who have been controlled opposition, gate keeper types that I have pretty much stopped listening to much. I heard that the rule of spooks was that once a Company Man ALWAYS a company man.
There is no such thing as a ex-spy.
Real whistleblowers get sent down and silenced, often assassinated if their deaths are easily covered up and they haven’t set up deadman’s handle insurance policies.
Anyways – there is subtle messaging change, obviously scripted because it is coming from multiple posters – I’ll try and narrow it down over time. Something to do with Max, Scott, Larry and the btl troll bots around.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 19 2023 0:27 utc | 682

DunGroanin | Nov 19 2023 0:27 utc | 342
With the Americans, there is often some form of bias. That is because they have spent their professional lives in US military or intel.
What I also see in them is that they are loyal to the American constitution and want to pull the US out of all these wars. Generally honest and pragmatic. They see the neo-cons taking America to its destruction both externally and internally. Ray McGovern said something interesting on a recent interview. If it is publicly admitted that Israel has nuclear weapons, US cannot by US law, supply arms to Israel. Apparently a law was passed in the US to this effect sometime in the past and still stands.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 0:54 utc | 683

DunGroanin | Nov 19 2023 0:27 utc | 342
With the Americans, there is often some form of bias. That is because they have spent their professional lives in US military or intel.
What I also see in them is that they are loyal to the American constitution and want to pull the US out of all these wars. Generally honest and pragmatic. They see the neo-cons taking America to its destruction both externally and internally. Ray McGovern said something interesting on a recent interview. If it is publicly admitted that Israel has nuclear weapons, US cannot by US law, supply arms to Israel. Apparently a law was passed in the US to this effect sometime in the past and still stands.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 0:54 utc | 684

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 0:54 utc | 343
In which case the law would be repealed, amended, waived, or simply ignored.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 19 2023 1:02 utc | 685

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 0:54 utc | 343
In which case the law would be repealed, amended, waived, or simply ignored.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 19 2023 1:02 utc | 686

“…I don’t understand the reasoning. If God is omniscient knowing everything how can he be ‘displeased’ with ancient Jewish behaviour if he is omniscient? Nothing should surprise him so the logic is warped.”
Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 11:57 utc | 309
Thanks canuck. I always appreciate your intelligent posts.
I refer you to the writings of Abraham Heschel on Pathos and Prophecy as one approach to answering your question.
Link below for summary from his daughter, Suzanne.
When i entered my 40s, not having been raised with any religious doctrine, my parents bequeathing to me science understandings and the experience/exploration of the natural world, but having been exposed to many practitioners of diverse religious traditions as a child and young person, i began a pursuit when i attained more leisure as i grew older and engaged widely in readings including re the monotheistic traditions, so termed.
I found Abraham Herschel’s works, a student of Martin Buber and a descendent of Eastern European practitioners of storied Judaism, inspiring, f eks his book, Man in Search of God, o.s.v., Heschel being a compassionate literate man of much experience, eloquence and humanity.
Heschel explores your question with much more intelligence and understanding than i could ever accomplish. ( I am a practicing Drikung Kagyu Buddhist of little accomplishment; agnostic re creator God aka not knowable conceptually.)
Here is a succinct response to your question, paraphrasing, “How can an omnipotent God be disillusioned with humans who have taken on and failed to fulfill his covenant?”
https://www.clarion-journal.com/clarion_journal_of_spirit/2008/07/pathos-and-prop.html

Posted by: suzan | Nov 19 2023 1:09 utc | 687

“…I don’t understand the reasoning. If God is omniscient knowing everything how can he be ‘displeased’ with ancient Jewish behaviour if he is omniscient? Nothing should surprise him so the logic is warped.”
Posted by: canuck | Nov 18 2023 11:57 utc | 309
Thanks canuck. I always appreciate your intelligent posts.
I refer you to the writings of Abraham Heschel on Pathos and Prophecy as one approach to answering your question.
Link below for summary from his daughter, Suzanne.
When i entered my 40s, not having been raised with any religious doctrine, my parents bequeathing to me science understandings and the experience/exploration of the natural world, but having been exposed to many practitioners of diverse religious traditions as a child and young person, i began a pursuit when i attained more leisure as i grew older and engaged widely in readings including re the monotheistic traditions, so termed.
I found Abraham Herschel’s works, a student of Martin Buber and a descendent of Eastern European practitioners of storied Judaism, inspiring, f eks his book, Man in Search of God, o.s.v., Heschel being a compassionate literate man of much experience, eloquence and humanity.
Heschel explores your question with much more intelligence and understanding than i could ever accomplish. ( I am a practicing Drikung Kagyu Buddhist of little accomplishment; agnostic re creator God aka not knowable conceptually.)
Here is a succinct response to your question, paraphrasing, “How can an omnipotent God be disillusioned with humans who have taken on and failed to fulfill his covenant?”
https://www.clarion-journal.com/clarion_journal_of_spirit/2008/07/pathos-and-prop.html

Posted by: suzan | Nov 19 2023 1:09 utc | 688

malenkov | Nov 19 2023 1:02 utc | 344
The rules based order…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 1:41 utc | 689

malenkov | Nov 19 2023 1:02 utc | 344
The rules based order…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 1:41 utc | 690

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 1:41 utc | 346
Don’t you know it!

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 19 2023 2:04 utc | 691

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 19 2023 1:41 utc | 346
Don’t you know it!

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 19 2023 2:04 utc | 692

Lavrov’s dog 280
While blinkers might be useful to stop cartwheels scaring the horses, eradicating decades of USUKIS interference in the Middle East is unhelpful to say the least.
Brett McGurk controlled Al Qaida and Islamic State. John McCain originally set up the Islamists and funded them to castrate the Middle East , destroy its dictators ability to defend their countries from USUKIS stealing their wealth.
The Muslim Brotherhood was created by the British in Egypt after WW1 to allow Britain to instigate regional wars anonymously. The Brits used the Knowledge of the Jews about justifications for War to construct a narrative that would appear to the World to justify War, while actually serving purely colonial aims.
The entire edifice of Muslim politics is based on a foundation of British , US and Jewish lies.
The US installed the Islamic Republic of Iran, and has funded the Yemen civil war ON BOTH SIDES. All in pursuance of colonising the oil-rich region.
The Brits told the defeated Muslims in 1918 that they had lost their Caliphate because they had given up their use of jihad. The opposite is true. The Muslims lost their Caliphate because the Turks were an oppressive regime against which the entire Muslim world rebelled.
Your proposal that the events of October 7 are outside of this slew of Lies and subterfuge is like saying that one can play chess without knowing chess’s rules.
All.parties in Middle Eastern politics are liars. It’s impossible to be a Muslim and be a liar. The Muslim rulers are playing the USUKIS game and they have sold Islam for a life of worldly luxury, oppressing the scholars objections and suppressing opposition with brutal indifference to human rights.
The Muslim leaders’ corruption alone has caused this catastrophe in Palestine to happen. Who needs enemies when your friends are the likes of Assad, Mubarak and Saddam who tortured their people for USUKIS ?
Who needs enemies when you have friends who imprison Imran Khan?
Who state-rape Shi’a women?
Who mince the opposition?
Who terrorise their own people with Islsmist terror like Erdogan who then profits from USUKIS oil theft?
Hamas may be useful idiots for the corrupt rulers who pander to USUKIS imperialism. But the people who control Hamas are just as corrupt as Netanyahu, and playing exactly the same game.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 19 2023 3:07 utc | 693

Lavrov’s dog 280
While blinkers might be useful to stop cartwheels scaring the horses, eradicating decades of USUKIS interference in the Middle East is unhelpful to say the least.
Brett McGurk controlled Al Qaida and Islamic State. John McCain originally set up the Islamists and funded them to castrate the Middle East , destroy its dictators ability to defend their countries from USUKIS stealing their wealth.
The Muslim Brotherhood was created by the British in Egypt after WW1 to allow Britain to instigate regional wars anonymously. The Brits used the Knowledge of the Jews about justifications for War to construct a narrative that would appear to the World to justify War, while actually serving purely colonial aims.
The entire edifice of Muslim politics is based on a foundation of British , US and Jewish lies.
The US installed the Islamic Republic of Iran, and has funded the Yemen civil war ON BOTH SIDES. All in pursuance of colonising the oil-rich region.
The Brits told the defeated Muslims in 1918 that they had lost their Caliphate because they had given up their use of jihad. The opposite is true. The Muslims lost their Caliphate because the Turks were an oppressive regime against which the entire Muslim world rebelled.
Your proposal that the events of October 7 are outside of this slew of Lies and subterfuge is like saying that one can play chess without knowing chess’s rules.
All.parties in Middle Eastern politics are liars. It’s impossible to be a Muslim and be a liar. The Muslim rulers are playing the USUKIS game and they have sold Islam for a life of worldly luxury, oppressing the scholars objections and suppressing opposition with brutal indifference to human rights.
The Muslim leaders’ corruption alone has caused this catastrophe in Palestine to happen. Who needs enemies when your friends are the likes of Assad, Mubarak and Saddam who tortured their people for USUKIS ?
Who needs enemies when you have friends who imprison Imran Khan?
Who state-rape Shi’a women?
Who mince the opposition?
Who terrorise their own people with Islsmist terror like Erdogan who then profits from USUKIS oil theft?
Hamas may be useful idiots for the corrupt rulers who pander to USUKIS imperialism. But the people who control Hamas are just as corrupt as Netanyahu, and playing exactly the same game.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 19 2023 3:07 utc | 694

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 18 2023 7:20 utc | 277

We already have the example of Apartheid South Africa and BDS showing the way….Not all battles are done in flesh and bone. Fight the mind and the heart together, that’s how you fight an idea.

Totally agree, this is hybrid warfare against a nuclear power and its global hegemon. The former Dutch/British colony of apartheid South Africa is exactly what I was thinking of, in terms of the total destruction of the appearance of ‘righteousness’ and the loss of global support amongst the people which led their elites to finally follow suit.
The grotesque hypocrisy of secular atheist Zionist appeals to the holocaust to excuse the current mass slaughter of innocents displayed on Twitter/Tik Tok etc is a gigantic propaganda failure for Israel and her military industrial supporters in the US/EU.
The hegemon remains naked in front of the world, and his time in the sun appears to be on the wane.

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Nov 19 2023 5:02 utc | 695

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 18 2023 7:20 utc | 277

We already have the example of Apartheid South Africa and BDS showing the way….Not all battles are done in flesh and bone. Fight the mind and the heart together, that’s how you fight an idea.

Totally agree, this is hybrid warfare against a nuclear power and its global hegemon. The former Dutch/British colony of apartheid South Africa is exactly what I was thinking of, in terms of the total destruction of the appearance of ‘righteousness’ and the loss of global support amongst the people which led their elites to finally follow suit.
The grotesque hypocrisy of secular atheist Zionist appeals to the holocaust to excuse the current mass slaughter of innocents displayed on Twitter/Tik Tok etc is a gigantic propaganda failure for Israel and her military industrial supporters in the US/EU.
The hegemon remains naked in front of the world, and his time in the sun appears to be on the wane.

Posted by: Zeug Gezeugt | Nov 19 2023 5:02 utc | 696

This is not about religion, Judaism or otherwise. It is about the political program of Zionism which sadly, Judaism has failed to prevent.
Judaism did not promise the “Promised Land” to present day Jews. That promise was well understood to be null and void until the Messiah returned. But when the opportunities arose, enough rabbis changed their position on technicalities to permit actual followers of Judaism (and not merely Jewish atheists–like the bankster founders of Zionism) to participate. Now, sadly, a majority of rabbis are Zionist. But a sizable minority are non-Zionist and anti-Zionist (anti-Zionist has been growing at the expense of non-Zionist).
In addition to an attempt to restore “Israel” without the Messiah, Zionism forces the disobedience of several basic commandments: Theft, Murder, Idolatry.
The Jews of Mea Sharim in Jerusalem refuse to recognize the Zionist Entity, burn Israeli flags, put up Palestinian flags, and have confrontations with IDF over these things.
But there have also been the leftist Jews who either tentatively embraced Zionism for awhile, or outright rejected it from the beginning. It is contrary to socialist and communist principles, Stalin himself wrote the book on why ethnic supremacy is always to be rejected, then turned around and recognized the new state of Israel first, hoping (erroneously) to shape it to oppose British and US imperialism. He soon learned the errors of these political calculations.
Israel should be de-recognized as it has failed to meet the basic conditions attached to its existence.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Nov 19 2023 5:06 utc | 697

This is not about religion, Judaism or otherwise. It is about the political program of Zionism which sadly, Judaism has failed to prevent.
Judaism did not promise the “Promised Land” to present day Jews. That promise was well understood to be null and void until the Messiah returned. But when the opportunities arose, enough rabbis changed their position on technicalities to permit actual followers of Judaism (and not merely Jewish atheists–like the bankster founders of Zionism) to participate. Now, sadly, a majority of rabbis are Zionist. But a sizable minority are non-Zionist and anti-Zionist (anti-Zionist has been growing at the expense of non-Zionist).
In addition to an attempt to restore “Israel” without the Messiah, Zionism forces the disobedience of several basic commandments: Theft, Murder, Idolatry.
The Jews of Mea Sharim in Jerusalem refuse to recognize the Zionist Entity, burn Israeli flags, put up Palestinian flags, and have confrontations with IDF over these things.
But there have also been the leftist Jews who either tentatively embraced Zionism for awhile, or outright rejected it from the beginning. It is contrary to socialist and communist principles, Stalin himself wrote the book on why ethnic supremacy is always to be rejected, then turned around and recognized the new state of Israel first, hoping (erroneously) to shape it to oppose British and US imperialism. He soon learned the errors of these political calculations.
Israel should be de-recognized as it has failed to meet the basic conditions attached to its existence.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Nov 19 2023 5:06 utc | 698

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Nov 19 2023 5:06 utc | 350
Agreed on all points.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 19 2023 5:59 utc | 699

Posted by: Charles Peterson | Nov 19 2023 5:06 utc | 350
Agreed on all points.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 19 2023 5:59 utc | 700