Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 17, 2023
One Religion’s War Against All Others

Alastair Crooke in Al Mayadeen:

Israeli popular sentiment — even amongst former liberals — is moving toward a Greater Nakba. Gaza is under Nakba pressures. So is the West Bank, as settler violence against Palestinians surges. Even a ‘liberal’ such as former opposition leader Lapid now agrees that ‘settlers’ in the occupied West Bank are not ‘settlers’ at all, since the land is but the ‘Biblical land of Israel’.

Nakba ‘ambitions’ are widening to South Lebanon (up to the Litani River) too. The radical members of Netanyahu’s government say Israelis will never return to the kibbutz adjacent to Lebanon, without Hezbollah’s removal from the border area.

So, the call is heard for "Israel" to ‘take’ Lebanon up to the Litani (a key water source) — and ‘serendipitously’ the Israeli air force has begun operating up to 40 kms inside Lebanon. Cabinet members now openly speak of the IOF needing to turn its attention to Hezbollah once Hamas has been ‘obliterated’.

Plainly, the White House is struggling to avoid the slide towards full regional war, as both the Lebanese front and the Iraqi front heats up: On Sunday, Iraqi movements again fired missiles at the American base in Shaddadi.

"Israel" is sensing the present crisis to be both an existential risk, but an ‘opportunity’ too – an opportunity to establish "Israel" across ‘its Biblical lands’ over the long term. There is no mistaking it — this is the direction of travel of Israeli popular sentiment, from both Left and Right wings, to bloody eschatology.

As I had pointed out three weeks ago President Joe Biden had supported that Israeli Nakba strategy before he was forced to pull back:

US 'actively working' to establish safe corridor for Gaza civilians: White HouseYeni Safak – Oct 12, 2023 The US is in active talks with Israel and Egypt to establish "safe passage" corridors for civilians in Gaza to flee ongoing Israeli airstrikes, the White House said Wednesday amid an expected ground offensive in the besieged enclave.

"We're actively discussing this with our Israeli and our Egyptian counterparts, we support safe passions for civilians. Civilians are not to blame for what Hamas has done. They didn't do anything wrong," National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters at the White House.

"We are actively working on this with Egyptian and our Israeli counterparts. Civilians are protected under the laws of armed conflict, and they should be given every opportunity to avoid the fighting," he added.

Israel is continuously squeezing the 2.3 million people in Gaza towards the Egyptian border:

Israel drops leaflets warning people to flee southern Gaza townsGuardian – Nov 16 2023

Israel has dropped leaflets into southern Gaza telling Palestinian civilians to leave four towns on the eastern edge of Khan Younis, raising fears that its war against Hamas could spread to areas it previously said were safe. The flyers told civilians in Bani Shuhaila, Khuza’a, Abassan and al-Qarara that anyone in the vicinity of militants or their positions was “putting his life in danger”, local people told Reuters.

The UN’s human rights chief, Volker Türk, said that five weeks into the war, “massive outbreaks of infectious disease, and hunger” seemed inevitable in the densely populated Palestinian territory. He predicted catastrophic consequences if fuel supplies ran out, including the collapse of sewage systems and healthcare and an end to the already scarce supplies of humanitarian aid.

The intentionally created misery will be used to put pressure on Egypt and others to open their borders for refugees. Then the same method will be applied in the West Bank. South Lebanon up the Litani river is a more difficult matter as Hizbullah, once unleashed, is a real existential thread to Israel. The rick there is to get the U.S. to do the bloody work.

And all this would not stop there as some extremist settlers want even more foreign land:

What are the borders of that Jewish nation?

The borders of the homeland of the Jews are the Euphrates in the east and the Nile in the southwest. [This would include the territory of multiple Middle Eastern countries as well as the territory that Israel controls today.]

There’s a Palestinian slogan that has become very controversial: “From the river to the sea,” which means from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. It’s controversial because it would include all the land that currently makes up Israel. But you’re saying from the river to the—

What is controversial?

Palestinians sometimes use the slogan “From the river to the sea.” But what you’re saying is that from the river to the Nile is the Jewish homeland, correct?

Of course. If someone decides to invent a new religion today, who will decide the rules? The first nation that got the word from God, the promise from God—the first nation is the one who has the right to it. The others that follow—Christianity and Islam, with their demands, with their perceptions—they’re imitating what existed already. So, why in Israel? They could be anywhere in the world. They came after us, in the double sense of the world.

This is a war by a significant number of believers in one religion against all others.

Comments

Do you know what the Jordanian authorities sent to Gaza as “Humanitarian” aid?
Hundreds of Body bags.
No, I am not making that up. sad.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 17 2023 21:51 utc | 136
Yes, you are right. I think the traitor in charge of Jordan will be among the first Arab leaders to be hanged by his own people if the genocide in Gaza doesnt end soon.

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 17 2023 22:33 utc | 301

Do you know what the Jordanian authorities sent to Gaza as “Humanitarian” aid?
Hundreds of Body bags.
No, I am not making that up. sad.

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 17 2023 21:51 utc | 136
Yes, you are right. I think the traitor in charge of Jordan will be among the first Arab leaders to be hanged by his own people if the genocide in Gaza doesnt end soon.

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 17 2023 22:33 utc | 302

bubbles | Nov 17 2023 22:15 utc | 144
Erdogan… he has proved to be a wily player in geo-politics. To date playing US against Russia and vise vesa while building a Turkic islamic block to give it/him more power in geo-politics. Apart from the oil money, if he goes to war with the US, he loses the US card that he often plays.
He may also wish for himself and Turkey to be seen as the leader of the Sunni islamic world so may be trying to play US against the Saudis. The problem with that line of thought is if he allows Israel to take Jerusalem and they destroy the mosque, then he loses the Turkic muslim world.
A totally ruthless player but very wily.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 22:38 utc | 303

bubbles | Nov 17 2023 22:15 utc | 144
Erdogan… he has proved to be a wily player in geo-politics. To date playing US against Russia and vise vesa while building a Turkic islamic block to give it/him more power in geo-politics. Apart from the oil money, if he goes to war with the US, he loses the US card that he often plays.
He may also wish for himself and Turkey to be seen as the leader of the Sunni islamic world so may be trying to play US against the Saudis. The problem with that line of thought is if he allows Israel to take Jerusalem and they destroy the mosque, then he loses the Turkic muslim world.
A totally ruthless player but very wily.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 22:38 utc | 304

“Ignoramus ultimo. Speak about what you actually know not what your swiss cheese mind got served. The old saying, pearls before a swine, applies to ignorant stooges.”
Posted by: sal | Nov 17 2023 16:21 utc | 31
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OK sal, tell us all about it: Tell us how brilliant the desert religions were? Tell us how the people who today still worship these desert toads are even more brilliant. You sound like you are butt hurt to me, well you should be, and embarrassed as well: ad hominins just won’t cut it sal.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:43 utc | 305

“Ignoramus ultimo. Speak about what you actually know not what your swiss cheese mind got served. The old saying, pearls before a swine, applies to ignorant stooges.”
Posted by: sal | Nov 17 2023 16:21 utc | 31
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OK sal, tell us all about it: Tell us how brilliant the desert religions were? Tell us how the people who today still worship these desert toads are even more brilliant. You sound like you are butt hurt to me, well you should be, and embarrassed as well: ad hominins just won’t cut it sal.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:43 utc | 306

Browser 106
Yes, Nasrallah is correct. Zionism on a cover for US colonialism , which obscures the crude and plain stupid quest for US hegemony with arbitrarily selected texts from ancient manuscripts and forgeries.
Also , whoever said Crooke is an MI6 arms dealer, pushing the idea of a clash of civilisations is correct.
There is no war of civilisations.
Thatcher grabbed the steering wheel from postwar socialism and steered us into the US Empire swamp.
Traditional European society values are very closely similar to Muslim.values before Thatcher smashed European society with her militant feminism.
Cooke is deliberately playing up Israeli Naqba demands in order to obscure the USUKIS recidivist , Empire 2, colonial greed that is driving this genocide to create the Greater Israel. What a priceless piece of Divide and Rule shit.
Flush USUKIS Zionism down the stairs bend of history, and prosecute USUKIS genocide in Aghanistan, Somalia , Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine.
Nasrallah talks to Putin, who clearly understands that the problem IS the West, not the Jews, except for those who have been wound up by Israeli government porkies about October 7th.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 22:44 utc | 307

Browser 106
Yes, Nasrallah is correct. Zionism on a cover for US colonialism , which obscures the crude and plain stupid quest for US hegemony with arbitrarily selected texts from ancient manuscripts and forgeries.
Also , whoever said Crooke is an MI6 arms dealer, pushing the idea of a clash of civilisations is correct.
There is no war of civilisations.
Thatcher grabbed the steering wheel from postwar socialism and steered us into the US Empire swamp.
Traditional European society values are very closely similar to Muslim.values before Thatcher smashed European society with her militant feminism.
Cooke is deliberately playing up Israeli Naqba demands in order to obscure the USUKIS recidivist , Empire 2, colonial greed that is driving this genocide to create the Greater Israel. What a priceless piece of Divide and Rule shit.
Flush USUKIS Zionism down the stairs bend of history, and prosecute USUKIS genocide in Aghanistan, Somalia , Iraq, Libya, Syria and Palestine.
Nasrallah talks to Putin, who clearly understands that the problem IS the West, not the Jews, except for those who have been wound up by Israeli government porkies about October 7th.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 22:44 utc | 308

@Refuznik #129
Please don’t use italic for long pieces of text. It’s hard to read.

Posted by: S | Nov 17 2023 22:45 utc | 309

@Refuznik #129
Please don’t use italic for long pieces of text. It’s hard to read.

Posted by: S | Nov 17 2023 22:45 utc | 310

Do not blame “the Jews” for this war. As people who know better point out –
for Jews in the humanist tradition, this is anathema — an insult to everything they believe in—and to the suffering of their forefathers. For them, the Zionists may be Jews, but not Jewish.
Posted by: JB | Nov 17 2023 22:26 utc | 148
I agree with you, although I might term it Jewish universalism (but humanism works). I keep thinking about the Jewish people who were inspirational to me (a Catholic) growing up. Those who were helping to build unions, among the vanguard for civil rights, and justice in general. They must be rolling in their graves. Every time someone like Bibi the Butcher claims that Israel represents “the Jews”, I think, my God, this is incitement to antisemitism for people who don’t know Jews of compassion and decency. Perhaps a “Jewish State” is bad for Jews.

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 17 2023 22:52 utc | 311

Do not blame “the Jews” for this war. As people who know better point out –
for Jews in the humanist tradition, this is anathema — an insult to everything they believe in—and to the suffering of their forefathers. For them, the Zionists may be Jews, but not Jewish.
Posted by: JB | Nov 17 2023 22:26 utc | 148
I agree with you, although I might term it Jewish universalism (but humanism works). I keep thinking about the Jewish people who were inspirational to me (a Catholic) growing up. Those who were helping to build unions, among the vanguard for civil rights, and justice in general. They must be rolling in their graves. Every time someone like Bibi the Butcher claims that Israel represents “the Jews”, I think, my God, this is incitement to antisemitism for people who don’t know Jews of compassion and decency. Perhaps a “Jewish State” is bad for Jews.

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 17 2023 22:52 utc | 312

Ed 141
You clearly have no idea what these religions are about.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 22:54 utc | 313

Ed 141
You clearly have no idea what these religions are about.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 22:54 utc | 314

“The Jewish faith was always that of a wandering people whom God has promised that He would be with them; but it was up to them, their unique responsibility, to, as they say, keep the faith. Their bible tells in no uncertain terms what happens when, as so frequently they did, they rejected that responsibility. As so many in Israel are doing at present.”
juliania | Nov 17 2023 16:24 utc | 32
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The genocide of non-Judaic Semitic tribes and peoples have always been the Old Testament God’s command to Judean’s. Don’t you read the bible juliania? If so, why did God not allow King Saul to remain King? Answer that question please. Apparently, Martin Buber never read the Bible either.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:58 utc | 315

“The Jewish faith was always that of a wandering people whom God has promised that He would be with them; but it was up to them, their unique responsibility, to, as they say, keep the faith. Their bible tells in no uncertain terms what happens when, as so frequently they did, they rejected that responsibility. As so many in Israel are doing at present.”
juliania | Nov 17 2023 16:24 utc | 32
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The genocide of non-Judaic Semitic tribes and peoples have always been the Old Testament God’s command to Judean’s. Don’t you read the bible juliania? If so, why did God not allow King Saul to remain King? Answer that question please. Apparently, Martin Buber never read the Bible either.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:58 utc | 316

Ed 155
Your word, ‘ butt hurt ‘ is the painful realisation that your precious US is raping the world. So why not project that unacceptable behaviour of your darling country onto monotheism?
It can’t be the US’s fault. It has no faults.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 23:03 utc | 317

Ed 155
Your word, ‘ butt hurt ‘ is the painful realisation that your precious US is raping the world. So why not project that unacceptable behaviour of your darling country onto monotheism?
It can’t be the US’s fault. It has no faults.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 23:03 utc | 318

Mentally, they’re much the same as the Jewish zealots who died at Masada in 70AD. The mentality hasn’t changed very much.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 17 2023 15:28 utc | 6
Let’s be realistic: The belief to be the “chosen” people (or individual) can be found in many of us (Israel, US, UK, but other peoples too) and can, in most cases, be looked upon as a mild case of cognitive disorder. Who has never considered himself/herself as someone special, or, as the old Greeks would say, as the “darling of the Gods”, whose plans always turn out successfully?
However, once this belief is used as a justification for dehumanizing ones neighbors (as Hitler did, the US did during the Indian wars, and now Israel) it is no longer a mild case, but a mortal danger to the neighbors, and also to the infected country itself.
If that country has, in addition, the shoa in its history, this will, of course, further strengthen these exceptionalistic views. The Jews have, throughout their astonishing history, drawn their identity from religion, from being different than all the other peoples. Their rituals are clearly targeted at keeping the group together, and force them to intermarry rather than mix with foreigners. One of these rituals is circumcision – thus no male will be able to conceal his Jewish heritage, making it much harder to marry abroad.
And now let’s turn to the unavoidable question if the Jews are not already controlling the planet, or aren’t they at least in the process of getting there. This brings not only Nuland to mind, and Robert Kagan, Tony Blinken, George Soros. It makes one think of the banking branch in general, a branch suited like no other to accumulating power. And this is biblical, too, as one barfly has pointed out in detail:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/palestine-open-thread-2023-239.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3a04936200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3a04936200b
This link may just open the right thread for you, then, navigate manually to post 257. It’s very interesting, at least for every reader who could, so far, put up with my introduction here, although it may come across like excerpts of “mein Kampf”.

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 17 2023 23:09 utc | 319

Mentally, they’re much the same as the Jewish zealots who died at Masada in 70AD. The mentality hasn’t changed very much.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 17 2023 15:28 utc | 6
Let’s be realistic: The belief to be the “chosen” people (or individual) can be found in many of us (Israel, US, UK, but other peoples too) and can, in most cases, be looked upon as a mild case of cognitive disorder. Who has never considered himself/herself as someone special, or, as the old Greeks would say, as the “darling of the Gods”, whose plans always turn out successfully?
However, once this belief is used as a justification for dehumanizing ones neighbors (as Hitler did, the US did during the Indian wars, and now Israel) it is no longer a mild case, but a mortal danger to the neighbors, and also to the infected country itself.
If that country has, in addition, the shoa in its history, this will, of course, further strengthen these exceptionalistic views. The Jews have, throughout their astonishing history, drawn their identity from religion, from being different than all the other peoples. Their rituals are clearly targeted at keeping the group together, and force them to intermarry rather than mix with foreigners. One of these rituals is circumcision – thus no male will be able to conceal his Jewish heritage, making it much harder to marry abroad.
And now let’s turn to the unavoidable question if the Jews are not already controlling the planet, or aren’t they at least in the process of getting there. This brings not only Nuland to mind, and Robert Kagan, Tony Blinken, George Soros. It makes one think of the banking branch in general, a branch suited like no other to accumulating power. And this is biblical, too, as one barfly has pointed out in detail:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/10/palestine-open-thread-2023-239.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3a04936200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef02c8d3a04936200b
This link may just open the right thread for you, then, navigate manually to post 257. It’s very interesting, at least for every reader who could, so far, put up with my introduction here, although it may come across like excerpts of “mein Kampf”.

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 17 2023 23:09 utc | 320

@ juliania | Nov 17 2023 22:32 utc | 150
thanks juliania! i am glad you watched it and that it confirms what you have figured out independently.. i agree with you also on your comment about b framing it as a religious war when it isn’t… it is more a war on judiasm from zionism, while zionism has managed to suck in a number of evangelical christians, whether thru the use of the scofield bible interpretations or however.. zionism is a total con job and it has nothing to do with religion.. this is why it is so enlightening to hear this rabbi speak and address this topic directly… i fully concur with you juliania.. there is nothing religious in any of this and that ought to be immediately apparent.. the fanatics are both sides are happy to murder innocent people.. what is religious about that? it’s a whacked out expression of extremism..
@ Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:58 utc | 160
give the video i shared @ 60 a listen/watch.. i think you will learn something from it..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2023 23:12 utc | 321

@ juliania | Nov 17 2023 22:32 utc | 150
thanks juliania! i am glad you watched it and that it confirms what you have figured out independently.. i agree with you also on your comment about b framing it as a religious war when it isn’t… it is more a war on judiasm from zionism, while zionism has managed to suck in a number of evangelical christians, whether thru the use of the scofield bible interpretations or however.. zionism is a total con job and it has nothing to do with religion.. this is why it is so enlightening to hear this rabbi speak and address this topic directly… i fully concur with you juliania.. there is nothing religious in any of this and that ought to be immediately apparent.. the fanatics are both sides are happy to murder innocent people.. what is religious about that? it’s a whacked out expression of extremism..
@ Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:58 utc | 160
give the video i shared @ 60 a listen/watch.. i think you will learn something from it..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2023 23:12 utc | 322

A totally ruthless player but very wily.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 22:38 utc | 154
Ruthless indeed, but an untrustworthy checker player at a chess tournament. He’s been riding on accomplishments of prior administrations, trying not to blow them up entirely while plying certain legal rights afforded to Turkey as in the Montreux convention.
He’s a dictator and their is no democracy nor related rights in Turkey now, and his grand maneuvering on the geopolitical scene will last as long as he plays the role of useful idiot to the great powers. His domestic record is the best measure that is easy to see. Could you imagine living in country with interest rates, inflation and devaluation of the currency at the levels he has wrought upon his countrymen?
If the majority of Turks really fall for his strongman, guardian of Islam and economic visionary schtick, then they deserve the reality they now live in and what the future holds. Turks that don’t believe and speak out get arrested.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 17 2023 23:16 utc | 323

A totally ruthless player but very wily.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 22:38 utc | 154
Ruthless indeed, but an untrustworthy checker player at a chess tournament. He’s been riding on accomplishments of prior administrations, trying not to blow them up entirely while plying certain legal rights afforded to Turkey as in the Montreux convention.
He’s a dictator and their is no democracy nor related rights in Turkey now, and his grand maneuvering on the geopolitical scene will last as long as he plays the role of useful idiot to the great powers. His domestic record is the best measure that is easy to see. Could you imagine living in country with interest rates, inflation and devaluation of the currency at the levels he has wrought upon his countrymen?
If the majority of Turks really fall for his strongman, guardian of Islam and economic visionary schtick, then they deserve the reality they now live in and what the future holds. Turks that don’t believe and speak out get arrested.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 17 2023 23:16 utc | 324

Most maps made of Canaan by “Biblical scholars” in the 19th century onward tended to include an area that are very large and which include almost all of modern Lebanon.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9357.jpg

Posted by: Altai | Nov 17 2023 23:19 utc | 325

Most maps made of Canaan by “Biblical scholars” in the 19th century onward tended to include an area that are very large and which include almost all of modern Lebanon.
https://www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/9357.jpg

Posted by: Altai | Nov 17 2023 23:19 utc | 326

THANK YOU Ahmed !!!
That link, like you say is another way of saying that the US is using Netayaho just like Zelensky, till the last Ukrainian, till the last Israeli … beware
Anyway, who is the guy speaking?
Again, love this video!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBumTNZvVvk
Posted by: Ahmed |

Posted by: kim sky | Nov 17 2023 23:20 utc | 327

THANK YOU Ahmed !!!
That link, like you say is another way of saying that the US is using Netayaho just like Zelensky, till the last Ukrainian, till the last Israeli … beware
Anyway, who is the guy speaking?
Again, love this video!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBumTNZvVvk
Posted by: Ahmed |

Posted by: kim sky | Nov 17 2023 23:20 utc | 328

Posted by: tommylotto | Nov 17 2023 17:32 utc | 59
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tommylotto, you haven’t been paying attention for the las 75 years. Palestine does not belong to the Jewish settlers. It belongs to the people who were living there before a bunch of Jewish refugees declared it Israel, and the US and the USSR agreed. What fucking right did the US and Soviet Union have to declare Israel a state on other people’s land?
Why not give the wayfaring Jews land in Germany? Now that would be justice, and it is not too late. How about where you live tommylotto, let carve out a block the size of Palestine in your neighborhood and give it to the Zio Nazis; is that acceptable to you?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 23:23 utc | 329

Posted by: tommylotto | Nov 17 2023 17:32 utc | 59
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tommylotto, you haven’t been paying attention for the las 75 years. Palestine does not belong to the Jewish settlers. It belongs to the people who were living there before a bunch of Jewish refugees declared it Israel, and the US and the USSR agreed. What fucking right did the US and Soviet Union have to declare Israel a state on other people’s land?
Why not give the wayfaring Jews land in Germany? Now that would be justice, and it is not too late. How about where you live tommylotto, let carve out a block the size of Palestine in your neighborhood and give it to the Zio Nazis; is that acceptable to you?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 23:23 utc | 330

“Israel Defense”, a prominent Israeli outlet in security and political affairs, states that Israel “must threaten Egypt”, including facing the real possibility on attacking and opening a new front on Egypt.
So I guess they want up to the Suez like once before . Gotta wonder at these psychopaths who think they can actually win a war with every nation around them all at once. I guess it’s so close the big promised land , just one more final push, one more nakba, one more bridge to far

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 17 2023 23:23 utc | 331

“Israel Defense”, a prominent Israeli outlet in security and political affairs, states that Israel “must threaten Egypt”, including facing the real possibility on attacking and opening a new front on Egypt.
So I guess they want up to the Suez like once before . Gotta wonder at these psychopaths who think they can actually win a war with every nation around them all at once. I guess it’s so close the big promised land , just one more final push, one more nakba, one more bridge to far

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 17 2023 23:23 utc | 332

bubbles | Nov 17 2023 23:16 utc | 164
Democracy is a bad term to use. I now look at many forms of governance. The one that works best is the one that suits a culture the best. We have seen this so called western democracy at its finest. Utterly corrupt. A brain washing of the masses. Dumbocracy that fills people with hopium. Prevents any form of revolution – which is what it was originally designed to do.
We now have fully controlled MSM, censorship is constantly tightening on other information sources yet the dumbocacy see none of this.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 23:26 utc | 333

bubbles | Nov 17 2023 23:16 utc | 164
Democracy is a bad term to use. I now look at many forms of governance. The one that works best is the one that suits a culture the best. We have seen this so called western democracy at its finest. Utterly corrupt. A brain washing of the masses. Dumbocracy that fills people with hopium. Prevents any form of revolution – which is what it was originally designed to do.
We now have fully controlled MSM, censorship is constantly tightening on other information sources yet the dumbocacy see none of this.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 23:26 utc | 334

I can see why Jesus rebelled against his Jewish peers. They are batshit crazy.
Let hope Hezbollah unleash hell upon them.

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 17 2023 23:27 utc | 335

I can see why Jesus rebelled against his Jewish peers. They are batshit crazy.
Let hope Hezbollah unleash hell upon them.

Posted by: Suresh | Nov 17 2023 23:27 utc | 336

Plymouth Brethren sound so quaint and rural Cornwall. But the reality is that all of the Western ports of England , for geographical reasons , were associated with the evil , corrupt , racist, African slave trade.
This was a triangular system which concealed its evil machinery of violence. WEAPONS from Britain to Africa, to force SLAVES from Africa tonthe West Indies, to create produce sent back to BRITAIN.
The equivalent, triangular corruption of today is also completely secretive.
ISLAMISTS terrorise countries who have OIL, using fake Ideologies of JIHAD. OIL flows back to the West along with refugees and asylum seekers.
HINDU Sunak has clicked the triangular trick that conceals the theft of oil from the Middle East, and sends the REFUGEES from there to Africa where the first Slaves originally came from.
Gotta admire the bastard’s chutzpah if nothing else.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 23:28 utc | 337

Plymouth Brethren sound so quaint and rural Cornwall. But the reality is that all of the Western ports of England , for geographical reasons , were associated with the evil , corrupt , racist, African slave trade.
This was a triangular system which concealed its evil machinery of violence. WEAPONS from Britain to Africa, to force SLAVES from Africa tonthe West Indies, to create produce sent back to BRITAIN.
The equivalent, triangular corruption of today is also completely secretive.
ISLAMISTS terrorise countries who have OIL, using fake Ideologies of JIHAD. OIL flows back to the West along with refugees and asylum seekers.
HINDU Sunak has clicked the triangular trick that conceals the theft of oil from the Middle East, and sends the REFUGEES from there to Africa where the first Slaves originally came from.
Gotta admire the bastard’s chutzpah if nothing else.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 23:28 utc | 338

Do not blame “the Jews” for this war. As people who know better point out –
for Jews in the humanist tradition, this is anathema — an insult to everything they believe in—and to the suffering of their forefathers. For them, the Zionists may be Jews, but not Jewish.
Posted by: JB | Nov 17 2023 22:26 utc | 148

There’s one born every minute

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Nov 17 2023 23:29 utc | 339

Do not blame “the Jews” for this war. As people who know better point out –
for Jews in the humanist tradition, this is anathema — an insult to everything they believe in—and to the suffering of their forefathers. For them, the Zionists may be Jews, but not Jewish.
Posted by: JB | Nov 17 2023 22:26 utc | 148

There’s one born every minute

Posted by: TheNorthernChef | Nov 17 2023 23:29 utc | 340

bubbles | Nov 17 2023 23:16 utc | 164
As for dictators, they can only survive if they are placed in power by and then supported by a foreign power. We have seen that in many places, south America in particular, where the anglo empire installs the dictator.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 23:29 utc | 341

bubbles | Nov 17 2023 23:16 utc | 164
As for dictators, they can only survive if they are placed in power by and then supported by a foreign power. We have seen that in many places, south America in particular, where the anglo empire installs the dictator.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 23:29 utc | 342

Ignoramus ultimo. Speak about what you actually know not what your swiss cheese mind got served.The old saying, pearls before a swine, applies to ignorant stooges.

Ah yes, insults, the last refuge of the scoundrel. Laughably, in Latin as though one has something to prove.
Did I insult your faith based belief in an unknowable and unprovable theory? Aw too bad. I’m actually a representative of the 5th dimension. Can you prove me wrong?
Had I been born earlier in our timeline I’m sure I could have concocted some excellent shit like the Mormon founder and had believers feeding me wine women and song well into my dotage. Priests are essentially parasites, in this I agree with Gibbons.
Zoroastrianism is a religion that appeals somewhat, but yes, the Abrahamic religions are a shitstain on the world, sadly.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 17 2023 23:30 utc | 343

Ignoramus ultimo. Speak about what you actually know not what your swiss cheese mind got served.The old saying, pearls before a swine, applies to ignorant stooges.

Ah yes, insults, the last refuge of the scoundrel. Laughably, in Latin as though one has something to prove.
Did I insult your faith based belief in an unknowable and unprovable theory? Aw too bad. I’m actually a representative of the 5th dimension. Can you prove me wrong?
Had I been born earlier in our timeline I’m sure I could have concocted some excellent shit like the Mormon founder and had believers feeding me wine women and song well into my dotage. Priests are essentially parasites, in this I agree with Gibbons.
Zoroastrianism is a religion that appeals somewhat, but yes, the Abrahamic religions are a shitstain on the world, sadly.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 17 2023 23:30 utc | 344

164 bubbles. I’m not so sure his own policy led to economic woes. There was a decided effort to crash the lira. His utterly hopeless head of central bank would hold ultimate responsibility, and she has been put back in obviously claiming to be able to fix it this time. My thinking is economic warfare is a prelude to actual war and an easier way for empire to maintain endogens butt firmly on a fence with a potent sword. He is dammed if he does and doesn’t. But at the same time dreams rejuvenation of Ottoman empire not just survival. His nation theoretically should not have the issues it does as its geography give ample trade tourism etc cash flow. I think the playing friends to usa has led to being burned as kissinger is often quoted on about friends.

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 17 2023 23:34 utc | 345

164 bubbles. I’m not so sure his own policy led to economic woes. There was a decided effort to crash the lira. His utterly hopeless head of central bank would hold ultimate responsibility, and she has been put back in obviously claiming to be able to fix it this time. My thinking is economic warfare is a prelude to actual war and an easier way for empire to maintain endogens butt firmly on a fence with a potent sword. He is dammed if he does and doesn’t. But at the same time dreams rejuvenation of Ottoman empire not just survival. His nation theoretically should not have the issues it does as its geography give ample trade tourism etc cash flow. I think the playing friends to usa has led to being burned as kissinger is often quoted on about friends.

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 17 2023 23:34 utc | 346

I think it will be a lot harder for the Arab satraps of American Caesar to pass by on the other side, if the zionist antisemites keep violating the sovereignty of real states.

Posted by: Squeeth | Nov 17 2023 23:39 utc | 347

I think it will be a lot harder for the Arab satraps of American Caesar to pass by on the other side, if the zionist antisemites keep violating the sovereignty of real states.

Posted by: Squeeth | Nov 17 2023 23:39 utc | 348

” “Israel Defense”, a prominent Israeli outlet in security and political affairs, states that Israel “must threaten Egypt”, including facing the real possibility on attacking and opening a new front on Egypt.
So I guess they want up to the Suez like once before . Gotta wonder at these psychopaths who think they can actually win a war with every nation around them all at once.
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 17 2023 23:23 utc | 168 ”
A better question would be whether the nations around Israel can win a war against it and the US, France, Italy, England, and whatever other subservient nations the Zionists get to join in. Theres a reason the Mediterranean is experiencing a ” traffic jam ” right now.

Posted by: Moonie | Nov 17 2023 23:44 utc | 349

” “Israel Defense”, a prominent Israeli outlet in security and political affairs, states that Israel “must threaten Egypt”, including facing the real possibility on attacking and opening a new front on Egypt.
So I guess they want up to the Suez like once before . Gotta wonder at these psychopaths who think they can actually win a war with every nation around them all at once.
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 17 2023 23:23 utc | 168 ”
A better question would be whether the nations around Israel can win a war against it and the US, France, Italy, England, and whatever other subservient nations the Zionists get to join in. Theres a reason the Mediterranean is experiencing a ” traffic jam ” right now.

Posted by: Moonie | Nov 17 2023 23:44 utc | 350

Why not give the wayfaring Jews Israelis land in Germany?
Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 23:23 utc | 167

It may be news to some, but there are already a lot of fellow citizens of Jewish faith living in Germany who primarily do not see themselves as Jews but as Germans. Seen in this way, they already have their own state as citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany.
Sometimes it is quite enlightening to look at the world without religious blinders.

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 17 2023 23:45 utc | 351

Why not give the wayfaring Jews Israelis land in Germany?
Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 23:23 utc | 167

It may be news to some, but there are already a lot of fellow citizens of Jewish faith living in Germany who primarily do not see themselves as Jews but as Germans. Seen in this way, they already have their own state as citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany.
Sometimes it is quite enlightening to look at the world without religious blinders.

Posted by: Nobody | Nov 17 2023 23:45 utc | 352

Why doesn’t Israel itself take in the refugees who want to flee from Gaza? This can help prove to the world they’re not a racist apartheid regime.

Posted by: Willow | Nov 17 2023 23:50 utc | 353

Why doesn’t Israel itself take in the refugees who want to flee from Gaza? This can help prove to the world they’re not a racist apartheid regime.

Posted by: Willow | Nov 17 2023 23:50 utc | 354

Turkey has had 2 leaders, in order:
1. Ataturk
2. Erdogan
Secular CHP Turks are so great, that they almost dutifully ended the planet during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Most leaders between Ataturk and Erdogan were bootlickers working with the CIA to snuff out “Communists” aka public intellectuals that were not complexly subservient to Uncle Sam; except of course Menderes who got a bullet in his head for trying bypass the IMF and get a loan from the Soviets. Most secular Turks cant see this; incidentally, I am a secular Turk.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 18 2023 0:01 utc | 355

Turkey has had 2 leaders, in order:
1. Ataturk
2. Erdogan
Secular CHP Turks are so great, that they almost dutifully ended the planet during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Most leaders between Ataturk and Erdogan were bootlickers working with the CIA to snuff out “Communists” aka public intellectuals that were not complexly subservient to Uncle Sam; except of course Menderes who got a bullet in his head for trying bypass the IMF and get a loan from the Soviets. Most secular Turks cant see this; incidentally, I am a secular Turk.

Posted by: Turk 152 | Nov 18 2023 0:01 utc | 356

In The Cradle today -this looks like an excellent article
“Sixty-six years ago, in the midst of a raging war, the renowned French-Algerian writer Albert Camus delivered his most perilous political speech. On the surface, his speech called for a civil truce in Algeria, but beneath the surface, it subtly rejected Arab nationalist aspirations.
“In its essence, Camus expressed a humanist commitment to shared possibilities in a land shared by colonizers and the colonized. Amidst calls for armed resistance, Camus, a member of the Pieds-Noirs, the French-Algerian community, positioned himself as an outsider to the colonizer/colonized dichotomy. He aimed to be a mediator, above all, who despised indiscriminate violence and sought dialogue, and a truce, among the French and the Arabs of Algeria.
“Today, despite the growing global demand for a ceasefire in Israel’s war on Gaza, the west is still firmly guarding Tel Aviv’s scorched-earth ambitions. The latter aims to eliminate the Palestinian resistance, while the former — like Camus — peppers the genocide with talks of “moderate” solutions with “moderate” Palestinians.
“The Algerian experience provides insights into parallels and breaking points with the ongoing Palestinian national liberation struggle. It demonstrates that imposing a ceasefire can inadvertently breed more violence it intends to suppress, and a dispassionate rejection of violence can deny the oppressed their dignity, whether in surrender or self-liberation….
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/to-palestine-lessons-from-overthrowing-the-french-in-algeria

Posted by: bevin | Nov 18 2023 0:02 utc | 357

In The Cradle today -this looks like an excellent article
“Sixty-six years ago, in the midst of a raging war, the renowned French-Algerian writer Albert Camus delivered his most perilous political speech. On the surface, his speech called for a civil truce in Algeria, but beneath the surface, it subtly rejected Arab nationalist aspirations.
“In its essence, Camus expressed a humanist commitment to shared possibilities in a land shared by colonizers and the colonized. Amidst calls for armed resistance, Camus, a member of the Pieds-Noirs, the French-Algerian community, positioned himself as an outsider to the colonizer/colonized dichotomy. He aimed to be a mediator, above all, who despised indiscriminate violence and sought dialogue, and a truce, among the French and the Arabs of Algeria.
“Today, despite the growing global demand for a ceasefire in Israel’s war on Gaza, the west is still firmly guarding Tel Aviv’s scorched-earth ambitions. The latter aims to eliminate the Palestinian resistance, while the former — like Camus — peppers the genocide with talks of “moderate” solutions with “moderate” Palestinians.
“The Algerian experience provides insights into parallels and breaking points with the ongoing Palestinian national liberation struggle. It demonstrates that imposing a ceasefire can inadvertently breed more violence it intends to suppress, and a dispassionate rejection of violence can deny the oppressed their dignity, whether in surrender or self-liberation….
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/to-palestine-lessons-from-overthrowing-the-french-in-algeria

Posted by: bevin | Nov 18 2023 0:02 utc | 358

RE: Bubbles mention of Joseph Smith. Two ex-Mormon women describe their indoctrination and links between Mormonism and Zionism. Discussion starts around 6 minutes in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWCh9Oy-BvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWCh9Oy-BvE

Posted by: castilleja | Nov 18 2023 0:05 utc | 359

RE: Bubbles mention of Joseph Smith. Two ex-Mormon women describe their indoctrination and links between Mormonism and Zionism. Discussion starts around 6 minutes in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWCh9Oy-BvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWCh9Oy-BvE

Posted by: castilleja | Nov 18 2023 0:05 utc | 360

Your word, ‘ butt hurt ‘ is the painful realization that your precious US is raping the world. So why not project that unacceptable behavior of your darling country onto monotheism?
It can’t be the US’s fault. It has no faults.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 23:03 utc | 161
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Giyane, you don’t know shit about me, so shut up before you make a fool out of yourself. If you read any of my comments you would know that your comment above is horseshit.
By the way, I agree with your comment: “…your precious US is raping the world.” Ask anyone on this site if that isn’t my main thesis. Read before you type. I support the Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem. I just don’t accept religion in any form, we have had this discussion in the past.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 0:12 utc | 361

Your word, ‘ butt hurt ‘ is the painful realization that your precious US is raping the world. So why not project that unacceptable behavior of your darling country onto monotheism?
It can’t be the US’s fault. It has no faults.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 23:03 utc | 161
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Giyane, you don’t know shit about me, so shut up before you make a fool out of yourself. If you read any of my comments you would know that your comment above is horseshit.
By the way, I agree with your comment: “…your precious US is raping the world.” Ask anyone on this site if that isn’t my main thesis. Read before you type. I support the Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem. I just don’t accept religion in any form, we have had this discussion in the past.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 0:12 utc | 362

A significant portion of Israeli society has gone completely mad. Aside from the ethnic cleansing / genocide necessary for just taking Gaza and the West Bank, southern Lebanon is a wholly different matter. The From the Euphrates to the Nile is a wild pipe dream.
There are only 7.5 million Israeli Jews. Most of the worldwide Jewish population that wants to live in Israel already does. Large swaths of the worldwide Jewish youth population is out protesting Israeli. And the global Jewish population is only about 14 million people.
The capability to take and hold the territorial ambitions being discussed isn’t there. The capability to do anything with the land would require slavery (clearly that would be acceptable to the people who have these ambitions). The fact is that Israel does not have the military capability to take the territory they cover if anyone they intend to take it from fights back.
Even adding the whole US military and all its arms probably doesn’t make even half these ambitions realistic. They’re going to destroy their precious homeland with ambitions like this. And they might just bring down the US empire while they’re at since apparently nobody in DC has sense enough to get off this ride.

Posted by: Lex | Nov 18 2023 0:20 utc | 363

A significant portion of Israeli society has gone completely mad. Aside from the ethnic cleansing / genocide necessary for just taking Gaza and the West Bank, southern Lebanon is a wholly different matter. The From the Euphrates to the Nile is a wild pipe dream.
There are only 7.5 million Israeli Jews. Most of the worldwide Jewish population that wants to live in Israel already does. Large swaths of the worldwide Jewish youth population is out protesting Israeli. And the global Jewish population is only about 14 million people.
The capability to take and hold the territorial ambitions being discussed isn’t there. The capability to do anything with the land would require slavery (clearly that would be acceptable to the people who have these ambitions). The fact is that Israel does not have the military capability to take the territory they cover if anyone they intend to take it from fights back.
Even adding the whole US military and all its arms probably doesn’t make even half these ambitions realistic. They’re going to destroy their precious homeland with ambitions like this. And they might just bring down the US empire while they’re at since apparently nobody in DC has sense enough to get off this ride.

Posted by: Lex | Nov 18 2023 0:20 utc | 364

Posted by: bevin | Nov 18 2023 0:02 utc | 181
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Bevin, with all due respect, I never understood Albert Camus. I was never sure what he stood for; perhaps that is due to my own intellectual deficiencies.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 0:21 utc | 365

Posted by: bevin | Nov 18 2023 0:02 utc | 181
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Bevin, with all due respect, I never understood Albert Camus. I was never sure what he stood for; perhaps that is due to my own intellectual deficiencies.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 0:21 utc | 366

Only a significant number of believers of one religion?
What about a significant number of eschatological Christians?
And a curiously large number of non believers or even some of the Muslims?
Zionism must not be equated to Judaism. It never was, never will be.
If Zionism was a religion that would be an arguable question of where they decide to live.
Arguable not Acceptable, that would depend on the continuously longest lived inhabitants of that land – not just some self declared Zionists from some other parts of the world.
They could call themselves a coloniser community and come and invade and genocide the natives and take over as much as they can.
It’s not a new concept in history.
There wouldn’t be any American continental country from the tip of South America to Canada and all stops inbetween, without that happening over the last 600 years. Or Australians NewZelanders & various other places still claimed by some European countries.
Well so be it. Let the invaded Resist, let them call on their neighbours and further friends and if there is any International Body that exists to stop such invasions – to step in and stop the genocidal colonisation. Piracy on land.
Let there be a fight , a bit like when the Norman’s came with their long boats and took over lots of Europe, or the Saxons before them. Flushing from one part of Europe to another before eventuall getting bigger boats to go across the Seas.
That would be Logical, as the science fictional Alien species, Mr Spock would say without emotion.
It seems that as they won’t get their hands on their centuries long desire – the Black Sea, Crimea , Odessa and many points East, Again, this century. They will have to settle for plan B. The Levant as proposed originally by the Aristos Rulers of the British Empire in the 1840’s.
And if that fails – then like all colonisers who have left their colonies, many forced out by the Natives that hadn’t been totally Genocided into Extinction – they will have to return to where they started in Europe or go to one of the remaining colonised countries of Europe or anywhere else that will have them – but not to form a Zion there unless the recipients give them a parcel that is autonomous. Something like say as … The Vatican is in Italy.
I’m sure they can be found something that has a river and a sea! They would be with peoples who originated from Europe, like themselves as their neighbours. Who would welcome them as cousins!
That would settle it – unless of course some sky fairy wants to show themselves to the whole of humanity and tells us that if the rest of us don’t let the Zionists have The Levant and everything else they demand , the Sky Fairy will have to get very stern and Extinct the rest of us.
Well I wouldn’t argue with that entity. Not unless someone could call another Sky Fairy of their own to discuss the matter with that first entity.
Which no one else has ever met in recorded history ever.
Certainly not even the new declared Zion religionists or even the older converts.
There will be some semites for sure too who would be believers, but they are the minority.
I wonder if enough of us got together and believed in the Logical vulcan space aliens and we prayed hard enough we may get some passing space alien species Mr Spock type to step in on our behalf against the Entity taking sides for a negligible fraction of the whole Human Species, on Earth for some River to the Sea claim, against the natives of these lands.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 18 2023 0:31 utc | 367

Only a significant number of believers of one religion?
What about a significant number of eschatological Christians?
And a curiously large number of non believers or even some of the Muslims?
Zionism must not be equated to Judaism. It never was, never will be.
If Zionism was a religion that would be an arguable question of where they decide to live.
Arguable not Acceptable, that would depend on the continuously longest lived inhabitants of that land – not just some self declared Zionists from some other parts of the world.
They could call themselves a coloniser community and come and invade and genocide the natives and take over as much as they can.
It’s not a new concept in history.
There wouldn’t be any American continental country from the tip of South America to Canada and all stops inbetween, without that happening over the last 600 years. Or Australians NewZelanders & various other places still claimed by some European countries.
Well so be it. Let the invaded Resist, let them call on their neighbours and further friends and if there is any International Body that exists to stop such invasions – to step in and stop the genocidal colonisation. Piracy on land.
Let there be a fight , a bit like when the Norman’s came with their long boats and took over lots of Europe, or the Saxons before them. Flushing from one part of Europe to another before eventuall getting bigger boats to go across the Seas.
That would be Logical, as the science fictional Alien species, Mr Spock would say without emotion.
It seems that as they won’t get their hands on their centuries long desire – the Black Sea, Crimea , Odessa and many points East, Again, this century. They will have to settle for plan B. The Levant as proposed originally by the Aristos Rulers of the British Empire in the 1840’s.
And if that fails – then like all colonisers who have left their colonies, many forced out by the Natives that hadn’t been totally Genocided into Extinction – they will have to return to where they started in Europe or go to one of the remaining colonised countries of Europe or anywhere else that will have them – but not to form a Zion there unless the recipients give them a parcel that is autonomous. Something like say as … The Vatican is in Italy.
I’m sure they can be found something that has a river and a sea! They would be with peoples who originated from Europe, like themselves as their neighbours. Who would welcome them as cousins!
That would settle it – unless of course some sky fairy wants to show themselves to the whole of humanity and tells us that if the rest of us don’t let the Zionists have The Levant and everything else they demand , the Sky Fairy will have to get very stern and Extinct the rest of us.
Well I wouldn’t argue with that entity. Not unless someone could call another Sky Fairy of their own to discuss the matter with that first entity.
Which no one else has ever met in recorded history ever.
Certainly not even the new declared Zion religionists or even the older converts.
There will be some semites for sure too who would be believers, but they are the minority.
I wonder if enough of us got together and believed in the Logical vulcan space aliens and we prayed hard enough we may get some passing space alien species Mr Spock type to step in on our behalf against the Entity taking sides for a negligible fraction of the whole Human Species, on Earth for some River to the Sea claim, against the natives of these lands.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 18 2023 0:31 utc | 368

“It may be news to some, but there are already a lot of fellow citizens of Jewish faith living in Germany who primarily do not see themselves as Jews but as Germans. Seen in this way, they already have their own state as citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany.
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 17 2023 23:45 utc | 178
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I agree with you comrade Nobody. My point is that there aren’t enough “Jews” in Germany, there should be about seven million more. Why should the Palestinian people pay such a high price for what the Germans did to the Jewish population in Europe and Ukraine?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 0:33 utc | 369

“It may be news to some, but there are already a lot of fellow citizens of Jewish faith living in Germany who primarily do not see themselves as Jews but as Germans. Seen in this way, they already have their own state as citizens of the Federal Republic of Germany.
Posted by: Nobody | Nov 17 2023 23:45 utc | 178
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I agree with you comrade Nobody. My point is that there aren’t enough “Jews” in Germany, there should be about seven million more. Why should the Palestinian people pay such a high price for what the Germans did to the Jewish population in Europe and Ukraine?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 0:33 utc | 370

The genocide of non-Judaic Semitic tribes and peoples have always been the Old Testament God’s command to Judean’s. Don’t you read the bible juliania? If so, why did God not allow King Saul to remain King? Answer that question please. Apparently, Martin Buber never read the Bible either.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:58 utc | 160
Of course Martin Buber read and studied the Bible, much more than you or I have done, Ed. He made a translation from the Hebrew into German, and has written much more than I have read about such scholarship. And he is not hesitant to describe layers of text, some later, some misunderstanding the original underlying message. It is by no means, according to what I understand from his exposition, a factual account of events actually occurring.
As I wrote, the way to understand much Biblical messaging is as a saga. And at least in the Moses saga, ‘Amalek’ is to be understood as first encountered slaying the defencelessand the weak. I can go no further than that in accounting for what is said beyond the life of Moses, as far as what a Jewish understanding of later passages would be. You would have to read more of Buber or another reputable Jewish scholar to find their interpretation of such passages.
As an Orthodox Christian, many of my own interpretations would of course be different. There is much in the Old Testament as we refer to it that has to be considered allegorically in my faith. I have tried not to let that interfere with my study of Buber’s text on Moses, but have given his interpretations as they occurred. He’s not a Christian; I am.
I hope that helps you.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2023 0:34 utc | 371

The genocide of non-Judaic Semitic tribes and peoples have always been the Old Testament God’s command to Judean’s. Don’t you read the bible juliania? If so, why did God not allow King Saul to remain King? Answer that question please. Apparently, Martin Buber never read the Bible either.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 17 2023 22:58 utc | 160
Of course Martin Buber read and studied the Bible, much more than you or I have done, Ed. He made a translation from the Hebrew into German, and has written much more than I have read about such scholarship. And he is not hesitant to describe layers of text, some later, some misunderstanding the original underlying message. It is by no means, according to what I understand from his exposition, a factual account of events actually occurring.
As I wrote, the way to understand much Biblical messaging is as a saga. And at least in the Moses saga, ‘Amalek’ is to be understood as first encountered slaying the defencelessand the weak. I can go no further than that in accounting for what is said beyond the life of Moses, as far as what a Jewish understanding of later passages would be. You would have to read more of Buber or another reputable Jewish scholar to find their interpretation of such passages.
As an Orthodox Christian, many of my own interpretations would of course be different. There is much in the Old Testament as we refer to it that has to be considered allegorically in my faith. I have tried not to let that interfere with my study of Buber’s text on Moses, but have given his interpretations as they occurred. He’s not a Christian; I am.
I hope that helps you.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2023 0:34 utc | 372

Ed, I used to have the same view as yourself about religion because to my thinking they had been the cause of so many wars.
But once these things are studied a bit more, its not religion, rather it is the human side. Religion. spiritual beliefs can always be used to take people to war, the same as any other belief system. 80% at least of any nation/group are group thinkers. The group thinkers can be led in any direction regardless of religion or ideology. Here in the west we see the peasants being led to war by this ideology called democracy.
There are good people bad people and many dumb group thinkers regardless of religion. Some form of spiritual belief is present in I would guess 90% or more of any population.
Religious extremism is no different to ideological extremism. But all forms of extremism need some belief system they can brainwash the pesants, the cannon fodder with.
But we see also in genuine revolutions that are successful, either strong religion or strong ideology is usually required.
So now I respect the spiritual beliefs of those that have them and only look at whether they are good individuals or bad individual, extremist beliefs or normal beliefs that allow that person or group to live peacefully with others.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 0:38 utc | 373

Ed, I used to have the same view as yourself about religion because to my thinking they had been the cause of so many wars.
But once these things are studied a bit more, its not religion, rather it is the human side. Religion. spiritual beliefs can always be used to take people to war, the same as any other belief system. 80% at least of any nation/group are group thinkers. The group thinkers can be led in any direction regardless of religion or ideology. Here in the west we see the peasants being led to war by this ideology called democracy.
There are good people bad people and many dumb group thinkers regardless of religion. Some form of spiritual belief is present in I would guess 90% or more of any population.
Religious extremism is no different to ideological extremism. But all forms of extremism need some belief system they can brainwash the pesants, the cannon fodder with.
But we see also in genuine revolutions that are successful, either strong religion or strong ideology is usually required.
So now I respect the spiritual beliefs of those that have them and only look at whether they are good individuals or bad individual, extremist beliefs or normal beliefs that allow that person or group to live peacefully with others.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 0:38 utc | 374

bevin 181
Be in no doubt that violence will escalate. This outrageous display of Zionist hocus pocus, imperial genocide , Trumpian white supremacism blaming both sides instead of the
aggressor will end with Israel being wiped off the map.
Power must always face counter violence of exponentially greater power. The assumption that the USUKIS mafia has any kind of legitimacy is ridiculous. All it has is lies and nukes, blackmail and threats. What a puke.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 0:43 utc | 375

bevin 181
Be in no doubt that violence will escalate. This outrageous display of Zionist hocus pocus, imperial genocide , Trumpian white supremacism blaming both sides instead of the
aggressor will end with Israel being wiped off the map.
Power must always face counter violence of exponentially greater power. The assumption that the USUKIS mafia has any kind of legitimacy is ridiculous. All it has is lies and nukes, blackmail and threats. What a puke.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 0:43 utc | 376

Obviously God has a plan for the selection of the ‘chosen’ people. He has been testing their moral values by submitting them to various ordeals . Jews have been ostracized and persecuted for centuries because they were accused of having killed Jesus. God’s purpose was to make sure that while suffering they will keep their moral values high. For centuries they survived , kept high moral values and created important moral personalities
Then they were submitted to the Holocaust. While they survived, unfortunately with the creation of a violent, vengeful ,unjust and bellicose country such as israel they failed. They lost their moral values and with the current massacre of Palestinians they went even lower. Will God give the Jews another chance or he will remove them permanently from the chosen people contest?

Posted by: Virgile | Nov 18 2023 0:50 utc | 377

Obviously God has a plan for the selection of the ‘chosen’ people. He has been testing their moral values by submitting them to various ordeals . Jews have been ostracized and persecuted for centuries because they were accused of having killed Jesus. God’s purpose was to make sure that while suffering they will keep their moral values high. For centuries they survived , kept high moral values and created important moral personalities
Then they were submitted to the Holocaust. While they survived, unfortunately with the creation of a violent, vengeful ,unjust and bellicose country such as israel they failed. They lost their moral values and with the current massacre of Palestinians they went even lower. Will God give the Jews another chance or he will remove them permanently from the chosen people contest?

Posted by: Virgile | Nov 18 2023 0:50 utc | 378

Ed 141
You clearly have no idea what these religions are about.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 22:54 utc | 159
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Giyana, when we have months, or even years, to talk about it then let’s do so. Your comment is empty without some basic facts to back it up. I was raised in a Protestant Christian orphanage, we ate, slept and breathed New and Old Testament theology. My knowledge of Jewish and Muslim religions is somewhat limited, but not a blank slate. Why do you think you are a master of all three religions, that you can lecture me?
But religion, all religion, is not supported by science or common sense, and can be dismissed by reason alone: IN MY VIEW!

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 0:54 utc | 379

Ed 141
You clearly have no idea what these religions are about.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 17 2023 22:54 utc | 159
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Giyana, when we have months, or even years, to talk about it then let’s do so. Your comment is empty without some basic facts to back it up. I was raised in a Protestant Christian orphanage, we ate, slept and breathed New and Old Testament theology. My knowledge of Jewish and Muslim religions is somewhat limited, but not a blank slate. Why do you think you are a master of all three religions, that you can lecture me?
But religion, all religion, is not supported by science or common sense, and can be dismissed by reason alone: IN MY VIEW!

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 0:54 utc | 380

To attempt to buttress my explanations of the faith I have, I apologize for being an inadequate representative of it. I came to the faith late, not having encountered it until after I was raising my own family, so it wasn’t from having been tutored in it as a child at all, but quite by happenstance (you might say). I love reading books, and it was Dostoevski’s last great work that gave me the opportunity to investigate further. It opened the door, so to speak, and I entered therein.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2023 0:55 utc | 381

To attempt to buttress my explanations of the faith I have, I apologize for being an inadequate representative of it. I came to the faith late, not having encountered it until after I was raising my own family, so it wasn’t from having been tutored in it as a child at all, but quite by happenstance (you might say). I love reading books, and it was Dostoevski’s last great work that gave me the opportunity to investigate further. It opened the door, so to speak, and I entered therein.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 18 2023 0:55 utc | 382

“One Religion’s War Against All Others”
Quite true for Islam; Dar Al-Harb [the Domain of War] is all the area outside the Dar al-Islam [Domain of submission] so the ME, much of the rest of Asia, half Africa and half Europe have been on the receiving end of this religion of peace [of submission or graveyard].
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dar_al-Harb_and_Dar_al-Islam_(the_Abodes_of_War_and_Peace)#History_and_use_of_Dar_al-Harb
Israel? A mini spec trying to live without rocket attacks from the neighbors. Zero chance it will ever expand to Europe, Africa or or the rest of Asia. Neither the religious drive, the ambition, or the number of people needed.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 18 2023 0:56 utc | 383

“One Religion’s War Against All Others”
Quite true for Islam; Dar Al-Harb [the Domain of War] is all the area outside the Dar al-Islam [Domain of submission] so the ME, much of the rest of Asia, half Africa and half Europe have been on the receiving end of this religion of peace [of submission or graveyard].
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dar_al-Harb_and_Dar_al-Islam_(the_Abodes_of_War_and_Peace)#History_and_use_of_Dar_al-Harb
Israel? A mini spec trying to live without rocket attacks from the neighbors. Zero chance it will ever expand to Europe, Africa or or the rest of Asia. Neither the religious drive, the ambition, or the number of people needed.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 18 2023 0:56 utc | 384

Ed 184
You don’t know shit about yourself if you really do deny your Creator.
But maybe this is just a mask.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 0:57 utc | 385

Ed 184
You don’t know shit about yourself if you really do deny your Creator.
But maybe this is just a mask.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 0:57 utc | 386

It’s not Nazareth it’s Al Nasra
It’s not Acre it’s Akka
It’s not Beit She’ an it’s Bisan
It’s not Tel Aviv Yafo it’s Yaffa
It’s not Jaffa, it’s Yaffa
It’s not Hebron it’s Al Khalil
It’s not Jerusalem it’s Al Quds
It’s not Jericho it’s Areeha
It’s not Lod it’s al-Lydd
It’s not Bethlehem it’s Bayt Lahm
It’s not the Negev it’s al-Naqab
It’s not Beer Sheva, it’s Bir As-Saba’
It’s not Tiberias, it’s Tabariyya
It’s not Gush Halav, its Al-Jish
It is NOT Israel
It is PALESTINE

Posted by: Winston, journalist | Nov 18 2023 0:58 utc | 387

It’s not Nazareth it’s Al Nasra
It’s not Acre it’s Akka
It’s not Beit She’ an it’s Bisan
It’s not Tel Aviv Yafo it’s Yaffa
It’s not Jaffa, it’s Yaffa
It’s not Hebron it’s Al Khalil
It’s not Jerusalem it’s Al Quds
It’s not Jericho it’s Areeha
It’s not Lod it’s al-Lydd
It’s not Bethlehem it’s Bayt Lahm
It’s not the Negev it’s al-Naqab
It’s not Beer Sheva, it’s Bir As-Saba’
It’s not Tiberias, it’s Tabariyya
It’s not Gush Halav, its Al-Jish
It is NOT Israel
It is PALESTINE

Posted by: Winston, journalist | Nov 18 2023 0:58 utc | 388

America is still a majority (nominally) Christian country. All American support for israel should be withheld until they’ve all converted to Christianity. Two can play at this theocracy game. Joke’s on you, israel.

Posted by: Sentient | Nov 18 2023 0:59 utc | 389

America is still a majority (nominally) Christian country. All American support for israel should be withheld until they’ve all converted to Christianity. Two can play at this theocracy game. Joke’s on you, israel.

Posted by: Sentient | Nov 18 2023 0:59 utc | 390

Virgile | Nov 18 2023 0:50 utc | 192
Like Wahabbism, Judaism is a religious belief that always borders on extremism. A prerequisite for CIA Islamic extremism (US war of terror) was converting muslims to whabbism.
Zionism, looking at all others as goyim, has always lurked there in a certain percentage of believers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 1:01 utc | 391

Virgile | Nov 18 2023 0:50 utc | 192
Like Wahabbism, Judaism is a religious belief that always borders on extremism. A prerequisite for CIA Islamic extremism (US war of terror) was converting muslims to whabbism.
Zionism, looking at all others as goyim, has always lurked there in a certain percentage of believers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 1:01 utc | 392

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 0:38 utc | 190
“But once these things are studied a bit more, it’s not religion, rather it is the human side.”
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Peter, what other side can there be but the human side of religion? Gods did not make man, man manufactured God (religion) out of ignorance, then used it to control the masses. Look at the Zionist today. Many, if not most, do not believe in a “spiritual God,” but many do, and the Zionist are more than happy to use ultra-religious Jews to obtain their goal for a completely Jewish state.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 1:06 utc | 393

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 18 2023 0:38 utc | 190
“But once these things are studied a bit more, it’s not religion, rather it is the human side.”
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Peter, what other side can there be but the human side of religion? Gods did not make man, man manufactured God (religion) out of ignorance, then used it to control the masses. Look at the Zionist today. Many, if not most, do not believe in a “spiritual God,” but many do, and the Zionist are more than happy to use ultra-religious Jews to obtain their goal for a completely Jewish state.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 1:06 utc | 394

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 0:57 utc | 196
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Go talk to you mama, she will tell you who created you!

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 1:10 utc | 395

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 18 2023 0:57 utc | 196
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Go talk to you mama, she will tell you who created you!

Posted by: Ed | Nov 18 2023 1:10 utc | 396

“Blah, blah, Zion, blah, bad, ism, Al Quad” gurgle & other drunken brawling.
If there isn’t a triple A for the Moon booze bar there should exist one AAA. Will reduce the quantity of crap by 75%.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 18 2023 1:11 utc | 397

“Blah, blah, Zion, blah, bad, ism, Al Quad” gurgle & other drunken brawling.
If there isn’t a triple A for the Moon booze bar there should exist one AAA. Will reduce the quantity of crap by 75%.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 18 2023 1:11 utc | 398

It is NOT Israel
It is PALESTINE
Posted by: Winston, journalist | Nov 18 2023 0:58 utc | 197
Palastina was a geographical term imposed by the hated Roman conquerers for a region of which a small part was occupied by the Philistines, ancestors of the people who inexplicably adopted the Roman appelation.
Why do the descendents of the Philstines now claim a much larger area than that held in Roman times and who wants to retain the name imposed by the cruel conquerers?

Posted by: william paul | Nov 18 2023 1:12 utc | 399

It is NOT Israel
It is PALESTINE
Posted by: Winston, journalist | Nov 18 2023 0:58 utc | 197
Palastina was a geographical term imposed by the hated Roman conquerers for a region of which a small part was occupied by the Philistines, ancestors of the people who inexplicably adopted the Roman appelation.
Why do the descendents of the Philstines now claim a much larger area than that held in Roman times and who wants to retain the name imposed by the cruel conquerers?

Posted by: william paul | Nov 18 2023 1:12 utc | 400