Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 17, 2023

One Religion's War Against All Others

Alastair Crooke in Al Mayadeen:

Israeli popular sentiment -- even amongst former liberals -- is moving toward a Greater Nakba. Gaza is under Nakba pressures. So is the West Bank, as settler violence against Palestinians surges. Even a ‘liberal’ such as former opposition leader Lapid now agrees that ‘settlers’ in the occupied West Bank are not ‘settlers’ at all, since the land is but the ‘Biblical land of Israel’.

Nakba ‘ambitions’ are widening to South Lebanon (up to the Litani River) too. The radical members of Netanyahu’s government say Israelis will never return to the kibbutz adjacent to Lebanon, without Hezbollah’s removal from the border area.

So, the call is heard for "Israel" to ‘take’ Lebanon up to the Litani (a key water source) -- and ‘serendipitously’ the Israeli air force has begun operating up to 40 kms inside Lebanon. Cabinet members now openly speak of the IOF needing to turn its attention to Hezbollah once Hamas has been ‘obliterated’.
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Plainly, the White House is struggling to avoid the slide towards full regional war, as both the Lebanese front and the Iraqi front heats up: On Sunday, Iraqi movements again fired missiles at the American base in Shaddadi.

"Israel" is sensing the present crisis to be both an existential risk, but an ‘opportunity’ too – an opportunity to establish "Israel" across ‘its Biblical lands’ over the long term. There is no mistaking it -- this is the direction of travel of Israeli popular sentiment, from both Left and Right wings, to bloody eschatology.

As I had pointed out three weeks ago President Joe Biden had supported that Israeli Nakba strategy before he was forced to pull back:

US 'actively working' to establish safe corridor for Gaza civilians: White House - Yeni Safak - Oct 12, 2023 The US is in active talks with Israel and Egypt to establish "safe passage" corridors for civilians in Gaza to flee ongoing Israeli airstrikes, the White House said Wednesday amid an expected ground offensive in the besieged enclave.

"We're actively discussing this with our Israeli and our Egyptian counterparts, we support safe passions for civilians. Civilians are not to blame for what Hamas has done. They didn't do anything wrong," National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters at the White House.

"We are actively working on this with Egyptian and our Israeli counterparts. Civilians are protected under the laws of armed conflict, and they should be given every opportunity to avoid the fighting," he added.

Israel is continuously squeezing the 2.3 million people in Gaza towards the Egyptian border:

Israel drops leaflets warning people to flee southern Gaza towns - Guardian - Nov 16 2023

Israel has dropped leaflets into southern Gaza telling Palestinian civilians to leave four towns on the eastern edge of Khan Younis, raising fears that its war against Hamas could spread to areas it previously said were safe. The flyers told civilians in Bani Shuhaila, Khuza’a, Abassan and al-Qarara that anyone in the vicinity of militants or their positions was “putting his life in danger”, local people told Reuters.
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The UN’s human rights chief, Volker Türk, said that five weeks into the war, “massive outbreaks of infectious disease, and hunger” seemed inevitable in the densely populated Palestinian territory. He predicted catastrophic consequences if fuel supplies ran out, including the collapse of sewage systems and healthcare and an end to the already scarce supplies of humanitarian aid.

The intentionally created misery will be used to put pressure on Egypt and others to open their borders for refugees. Then the same method will be applied in the West Bank. South Lebanon up the Litani river is a more difficult matter as Hizbullah, once unleashed, is a real existential thread to Israel. The rick there is to get the U.S. to do the bloody work.

And all this would not stop there as some extremist settlers want even more foreign land:

What are the borders of that Jewish nation?

The borders of the homeland of the Jews are the Euphrates in the east and the Nile in the southwest. [This would include the territory of multiple Middle Eastern countries as well as the territory that Israel controls today.]

There’s a Palestinian slogan that has become very controversial: “From the river to the sea,” which means from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. It’s controversial because it would include all the land that currently makes up Israel. But you’re saying from the river to the—

What is controversial?

Palestinians sometimes use the slogan “From the river to the sea.” But what you’re saying is that from the river to the Nile is the Jewish homeland, correct?

Of course. If someone decides to invent a new religion today, who will decide the rules? The first nation that got the word from God, the promise from God—the first nation is the one who has the right to it. The others that follow—Christianity and Islam, with their demands, with their perceptions—they’re imitating what existed already. So, why in Israel? They could be anywhere in the world. They came after us, in the double sense of the world.

This is a war by a significant number of believers in one religion against all others.

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We are so f*cked if this path is taken.

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 17 2023 15:22 utc | 1

"the chosen people"? To do what exactly? Rule the the world? If so then the whole world is their property. Because GOD said so. This is insanity. Maybe Hitler isn't the crazy person I thought he was.
I do not think this will end well, how can it?

Posted by: Marikas | Nov 17 2023 15:26 utc | 2

"Israel" is sensing the present crisis to be both an existential risk, but an ‘opportunity’ too – an opportunity to establish "Israel" across ‘its Biblical lands’ over the long term.

.... "the last opportunity".

Posted by: xDiablo | Nov 17 2023 15:27 utc | 3

Thanks b, I guess this will be a can of worms...

I know lots of Jews. It's always funny to me how so many are at once atheists and believe they're chosen by God at the same time.

The Book - has driven lots of people crazy - the three major religions of the 'west' are all kooky.

It's the 21st Century. Time to move on from the of top-down vainglory of the religions of the jealous, male god.

Posted by: gottlieb | Nov 17 2023 15:28 utc | 4

Well, that religion that is fighting the world is Zionism, not Judaism. Zionism, a cultic nationalism, is clearly antithetical to Judaism and has no Jewish characteristics except for symbols as window dressing. It is also fundamentally antisemitic because it aims to hector all the Jews into its camp and its geographical state by making their lives elsewhere unlivable by promoting antisemitism.

Posted by: Cabe | Nov 17 2023 15:28 utc | 5

Mentally, they're much the same as the Jewish zealots who died at Masada in 70AD. The mentality hasn't changed very much.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 17 2023 15:28 utc | 6

Leaked audio of ADL chief executive Jonathan Greenblatt

Ima take a victory lap for a job well-done in my family.
Sayonara, BOOMERS. Z-ppl are on the loose!

Posted by: snl2002 | Nov 17 2023 15:31 utc | 7

For "believers" in final sentence of top post substitute "batshit insane" and for "one religion" try "Bronze Age tribal cult". And it is even worse than that since any original tribe with such insane eschatology is long gone with the wind. What we have instead is cosplay Bronze Age, dressup games for the insane.

We should laugh these clowns off the stage. Instead we feast and fete them, give them money and weapons.

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 17 2023 15:33 utc | 8

An opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, penned by center-left and right authors is calling on the West to take in Gaza refugees. And they justify it by saying that Hamas is a threat to Gazans!

What Gazans are left after the bombing campaign or by a disease outbreak will be offloaded on Western nations.

Pretty clever strategy to resettle angry refugees in Western nations that have enabled Israel to make them refugees in the first place. This obvious security risk would benefit Israel as it would force the West to “experience what Israel experiences every day”.

I’m also waiting for Israel to demand that Western nations pay to rebuild Gaza for beachfront Zisraeli settlements.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-west-should-welcome-gaza-refugees-asylum-seekers-hamas-terrorism-displacement-5d2b5890

Posted by: Kevin | Nov 17 2023 15:33 utc | 9

How can any informed adult not know that the blue stripes on the Israeli flag represent the Euphrates and the Nile, except by some deception?

Posted by: too scents | Nov 17 2023 15:34 utc | 10

While the US may be concerned about Israel's actions it should not be interpreted as humanitarian concerns.
Israel has "little dog syndrome", but US holds the leash.
Israel (and to some extent US) use quasi-religious justifications for their behavior.
Israel is simply US proxy in the Middle East - the US enables Israel's actions.
But it's simply a case of the indigenous people are living on land that Israel wants, acting as care-takers.
Israel may never have quite enough to feel safe.

Posted by: jared | Nov 17 2023 15:37 utc | 11

This can only end in the erasure of the zionazi pseudostate from the map of the world. Until and unless that is done war will be forever.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 17 2023 15:39 utc | 12

Zealots with nukes.

Posted by: Forest | Nov 17 2023 15:39 utc | 13

I didn't find any headlines about this in Norwegian MSM, but it is mentioned in Iran:

Norway parl. adopts resolution to recognize Palestinian state
TEHRAN, Nov. 17 (MNA) – Norway’s parliament has adopted a resolution calling on the government to be ready to recognize an “independent” Palestinian state.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 17 2023 15:41 utc | 14

zero people are surprised. They have a plan 7 countries and they are ploughing full speed ahead while the world stands by

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimetre of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal. What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it. Ariel Sharon to Amos Oz, editor of Davar, Dec. 17, 1982.

"The Palestinians are beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

sorry... bears repeating .... OFTEN
so there is no excuse as these evil machinations turn their focus of attention on us

Posted by: ld | Nov 17 2023 15:45 utc | 15

Does Hezbollah have the ability to cripple the Israeli airforce if Lebanon is dragged into this?

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 17 2023 15:45 utc | 16

The two state solution will never work. Israel will just invade Palestine on regular basis as they have done for 75 years.Since 80% of Israelis support genocide they cannot be trusted to keep their hands to themselves.
A one state solution is the only way forward. Israel needs to be partitioned into zones (as Germany was after WW2), the IDF disbanded, and occupying forces overseeing the zones for likely a generation. Either the UN or Arab confederation manages the zones (Turkish/Jordanian/Egyptian/Saudi/Iranian). The US and West are not permitted to be involved in the process due to their 75 years of mismanagement.
Those Israelis who do not wish to live with one state solution can emigrate to the West. The US welcomes all sorts of hateful people on a regular basis.

Posted by: Thurl | Nov 17 2023 15:45 utc | 17

Yes, Egypt is a weak reed, but I want to reiterate that the Egyptians, the people as a whole, the establishment, the capitalist elite, the military, and the president are all completely united in rejecting admitting the Gazans into Egypt. Al-Sisi may have taken this stance because of public pressure, but that is total and unanimous in this case. Certainly, Egypt fears the loss of Sinai or part of it, and no nation state will ever willingly give up an inch of its national territory. Also, the Egyptian public is certainly outraged by the ongoing genocide.

Of course, none of that means that the Gazans couldn't necessarily be forced into Sinai by the Israelis, and Egypt's military forces there are somewhat limited by treaty. But it would end the peace treaty with Israel.

Egypt is also not willing to serve as a corridor for the Gazans to be moved to some other place.

Posted by: Cabe | Nov 17 2023 15:47 utc | 18


Posted by: Thurl | Nov 17 2023 15:45 utc | 17

There is a solution. If US stop to support Israel, everything will calm down as Israeli will have no other choice left but making peace with their neighbours.

But Israel is the colonial project of USA. And as long as it is, Israel will always create troubles with all their neighbours

Posted by: w | Nov 17 2023 15:49 utc | 19

You have to how many Russian jews living in Israel will move back to Russia now. Russian population is going to be growing faster than expected in the next few years.

Posted by: justruth | Nov 17 2023 15:52 utc | 20

@ Posted by: Kevin | Nov 17 2023 15:33 utc | 9

It has been claimed that Hamas is preventing people from leaving - don't know if that is true.
Best thing they could do is get out of there - go somewhere lead happy and productive life keeping children safe.
I believe that Russia has offered refuge - common sense.
There may one day be a time to return.

Posted by: jared | Nov 17 2023 15:52 utc | 21

If the blockade of Gaza is maintained and Israel bombs southern Gaza the full extent of the crisis will unfold. I suppose Egypt could buckle and allow the refugees in, but if they refuse something else will have to give.

Posted by: the pessimist | Nov 17 2023 15:53 utc | 22

the three major religions of the 'west' are all kooky.

At their core they are all derivatives of the same desert death cult. Neopolitan flavors of millenia old idiocy.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 17 2023 15:53 utc | 23

the pessimist @ 16

Absolutely. Hezbollah has plenty of missiles to take out every airstrip in Israel. Sufficient range, sufficient accuracy, redundancy. If the damage is repairable, Hezbollah takes them out again. The question is can Hezbollah do this without meeting nuclear weapons?

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 17 2023 15:56 utc | 24

- Precisely. That were my thoughts as well.
- But the REAL problem in the Middle East is that the population has grown in the last say 50, 60 or 70 years. And keeps growing. To put it in a different way: the entire Middle East (and North Africa) is sitting on a dempgraphic time bomb.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 17 2023 15:56 utc | 25

Hubris always leads to Nemesis ... or, as Shawshank put it: His judgement cometh and that right soon.

Israel is rotting from the inside.

Posted by: Caliman | Nov 17 2023 16:07 utc | 26

Hi Barflys and welcome to our civilization war.

If one reads books like The Dawn Of Everything by Graeber/Wengrow and any of Michael Hudson's works they will learn that humanity went into this anthropological dead end back in Sumerian times when barbaric patriarchy became dominant and women lost all agency in our world.

That barbaric patriarchy instantiated monotheistic religions to justify their social dominance and here we are 2K years later with the RoW wondering if our species is crazy or just unable to evolve past this rut in our development.

We could just be a failed Cosmological experiment......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17 2023 16:10 utc | 27

Sounds like spoiled children who refuse to play well with others. Such children need to be taught better. Usually it is by losing their favorite toy and being put in time out, then later asking them to reflect on why that was done.

Why do I get the feeling this process has been done over and over again? Perhaps there's been a pattern in literature or scripture or history somewhere... ;) I wonder what that favorite toy is?

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 17 2023 16:15 utc | 28

If the Zionists and their goy puppets and accomplices succeed in ethnically cleansing Gaza, that will only be the beginning. They will do the same in the West Bank (they are doing it already) and then turn their attention to south Lebanon. And even that is only the beginning.

The Talmudic Master Race claims not only the whole of Palestine, but:_
The whole of Jordan.
The whole of Lebanon (not just the south of Lebanon.)
The whole of Syria.
Part of Turkey.
A large area of Iraq.
A large part of Saudi Arabia.
Part of Egypt.

If all the Palestinians magically disappeared overnight or decided to go and live at the North Pole, it would make no difference whatsoever. Having stolen the whole of Palestine, the Zionists would just carry on and steal all of the above. There is no limit to their thieving, both current and projected.

That is something all the cringing, servile, corrupt Arab puppet dictators need to take on board as they queue up to establish diplomatic relations with the Zionist Regime and do deals with it and allow US military basis in their territory.

Posted by: anon | Nov 17 2023 16:18 utc | 29

Netanyahu: Money to Hamas part of strategy to keep Palestinians divided
MARCH 12, 2019
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Netanyahu-Money-to-Hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-Palestinians-divided-583082

Netanyahu “whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for”

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Arab nations met a week ago and had their Munich Moment, or should it be, their Sandwurm Moment.
History: Before Munich Hister is quoted as saying about the leaders of Europe, "I have met them, they are all a bunch of worms."

History tells us it will come back and bite the Sandwurms in their asses.

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Have you ever met someone that said that they were *for* the Holocaust (Shoah)?
Unimaginable? Right?

Which brings us to today. Could you have ever imagined that so many people would loudly and publicly support the genocide in Gaza?
How will history record this shame?

Posted by: librul | Nov 17 2023 16:21 utc | 30

The Book - has driven lots of people crazy - the three major religions of the 'west' are all kooky.
It's the 21st Century. Time to move on from the of top-down vainglory of the religions of the jealous, male god.

At their core they are all derivatives of the same desert death cult. Neopolitan flavors of millenia old idiocy.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 17 2023 15:53 utc | 23

Ignoramus ultimo. Speak about what you actually know not what your swiss cheese mind got served.The old saying, pearls before a swine, applies to ignorant stooges.

Posted by: sal | Nov 17 2023 16:21 utc | 31

As I have been reading in Martin Buber's textual exploration of the life of Moses, there is a legitimate Jewish faith which could and did exist in harmony with others in the land of Palestine. If the word 'religion' is taken to mean war with other faiths, then I reject it. That way of 'religious warfare' is destruction and madness; it will not and cannot prevail.

It doesn't matter how many are sucked in by its demonic savagery thinking that is what they believe in; that way lies destruction. In a true faith there will always be a peaceful remnant that survives.

The Jewish faith was always that of a wandering people whom God has promised that He would be with them; but it was up to them, their unique responsibility, to, as they say, keep the faith. Their bible tells in no uncertain terms what happens when, as so frequently they did, they rejected that responsibility. As so many in Israel are doing at present.

But there are others, few in number perhaps, but we do know some of the names of the keepers of that faith. One for me is my sweet German language teacher in college years back. I know he would never condone what is happening now in his Holy land. In his time, he had left Germany, and he had kept the faith and brought it with him.

Honor to those who do. The promise will be with them, not with, or in, the insanity.

And everyone, hold fast to what is good as you in your innermost heart see the good. Search it out; it is there in every heart. There is a time for every purpose under heaven as the song says; this is our purpose at this time.

Hold fast to what is good.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 17 2023 16:24 utc | 32

The Gaza refugees will eventually have their properties restored in Jaffa, in Deir Yasin, and dozens of ethnically cleansed places. They’ll be owed 70 years of back rent plus other reparations.

Fortunately the Israeli Central Bank has $200 billion in assets that can start the reparations.

The Jewish State can be in the 1947 Borders defined in UNR 181. It’s possible that the Jewish State should be demilitarized and made a protectorate with maybe 500,000 Chinese peacekeepers stationed there. That way the Jewish State can finally have peace and security.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 17 2023 16:27 utc | 33

Hi Barflys and welcome to our civilization war.

If one reads books like The Dawn Of Everything by Graeber/Wengrow and any of Michael Hudson's works they will learn that humanity went into this anthropological dead end back in Sumerian times when barbaric patriarchy became dominant and women lost all agency in our world.

That barbaric patriarchy instantiated monotheistic religions to justify their social dominance and here we are 2K years later with the RoW wondering if our species is crazy or just unable to evolve past this rut in our development.

We could just be a failed Cosmological experiment......

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17 2023 16:10 utc | 28

And I thought civilization had met its end when Western women got the vote...

Posted by: canuck | Nov 17 2023 16:27 utc | 34

I think an appeal to RFK, Jr’s conscience will be as productive as pissing into a gale force wind, after all, his position regarding the ongoing massacre of innocents in Gaza is wholly one of political calculation. You can’t be a serious candidate for president without the big money backers. Anyway, it a good read.


https://edwardcurtin.com/an-epistle-to-robert-f-kennedy-jr/

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 17 2023 16:29 utc | 35

"The Jewish faith was always that of a wandering people whom God has promised that He would be with them; but it was up to them, their unique responsibility, to, as they say, keep the faith. Their bible tells in no uncertain terms what happens when, as so frequently they did, they rejected that responsibility. As so many in Israel are doing at present."

juliania | Nov 17 2023 16:24 utc | 32

Unfortunately Zionists would say that they are the ones keeping the faith and the diaspora has done the backsliding.

Posted by: dh | Nov 17 2023 16:31 utc | 36

Posted by: juliania | Nov 17 2023 16:24 utc | 32

Very much liked what you've expressed.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Nov 17 2023 16:36 utc | 37

@7 snl2002
LOFL!! Not too sure why you laud Gen-Zers in your post because you are another target just like all the younger people in this world (if the clotshot doesn't take you early). For me as a boomer, my life has been pretty damn good and prosperous BUT not quite as good as my father's.

The accurate and telling movie Omega Man is almost upon us or maybe Soylent Green which appears to be a close approximation of what yours and your children's life is going to be all about. When Edward G. Robinson's character (me) starts crying when Charlton Heston's character (you) brings home a stolen side of roast beef, he harkens back to the good old days aka the American Golden Age when everything was available and the people were free.

Enjoy your life right now buddy!!

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 17 2023 16:36 utc | 38

@11 Jared
Many assume that the USA controls Israel and tells it what to do but how can you clarify why the Biden Administration has been mentioned in recent articles that they cannot change or affect the Genocide in Gaza. Biden's hands are tied since Nuttyyahoo is quoted as saying ((they)) will squeeze and use up the usa until there is nothing left?? How do you explain that??

No- the leash is actually on the us president and so when the people startprotesting much harder Biden will be done. And the us will be done....on earth until they go to heav- hell.

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 17 2023 16:42 utc | 39

Any group that worships weekly
total destruction of all humanity
so a single person can be saved
is a death cult

Posted by: TimeTraveler | Nov 17 2023 16:42 utc | 40

As this genocide unfolds with the active support of USUK and some of EU, please remember to distinguish people who have been, and still are, forces for peace from those who advocate and practice barbarism either as leaders or as proxies.

Someone earlier claimed that monkeys and apes can be distinguished from humans as the former have no consciousness. This is imo faulty thinking. We all have consciousness. What humans have is language. With language comes interpretation of meaning and levels of meaning. Words can be used in many ways and often function to deceive or conceal. They are frequently used for deception and self deception. The latter is the most invidious as the webs of deceit become more treacherous, more difficult to negotiate with self deception.

People have tried to make sense of mystical teachings from tribal lore for a very long time. This can take many paths as with The Torah and prophetic Judaism vs Talmudic Judaism. The intention behind the search reveals the conscience of the search. It is not monolithic although the most fiery speech often gets the most attention from outsiders.

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Israel Shahak (1933-2001): A Prophetic Voice Is Stilled

The death of Israel Shahak in July has taken from us a genuinely Prophetic Jewish voice, one who believed deeply in democracy and human rights, and rejected the ethno-centrism which has come to dominate both the state of Israel and much of organized Judaism, not only in Israel but in the U.S., and other Western countries as well.  


http://www.acjna.org/acjna/articles_detail.aspx?id=208

Posted by: suzan | Nov 17 2023 16:47 utc | 41

For all the accusations of racial Supremacism coming out of the Democrats since they violently shut down the Occupy Wall Street protests in the US in 2011...

This is what real ethic/religious supremacism looks like.

You don't need to gin up phoney instances of it like making the Ok symbol or enjoying the John Carpenter film They Live or saying "all lives matter, etc.

Instead it's a mass genocide of a defenseless population like a brick in the face, piped into your living room 24/7 for weeks, defended to the hilt by the entire western media, political and economic elite.

Remember this the next time you hear salacious rumors about the patriarchy, white supremacists or hetero tyranny over their trans creations.

US imperialism and their subhuman Zionazis must be crushed if humanity is to further progress!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 17 2023 16:50 utc | 42

@Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 17 2023 16:29 utc | 35

I read your link, a letter to RFK, Jr, by Edward J. Curtin, Jr.

Curtin call ends his letter with: "You are a man of conscience."

Forget about it. RFK, Jr is a Manchurian Candidate and a passenger on the Lolita Express extortion racket.
RFK, Jr jettisoned Dennis Kucinch as his campaign manager in favor of a CIA agent (likely a double agent).

I, like Curtin, had wanted to vote for RFK, Jr. But then I saw the man behind the curtain.


Posted by: librul | Nov 17 2023 16:58 utc | 43

Fucking murderers these chosen folks see Psalm 137-9

Posted by: Cuffy | Nov 17 2023 17:00 utc | 44

Doing a cut & paste with the old testament is what Netanyahu and his cabinet have done. Michael Hudson gives a history lesson showing their blasphemy.
https://michael-hudson.com/2023/11/were-the-biblical-prophets-anti-semitic/

Posted by: Richard | Nov 17 2023 17:02 utc | 45

Lebanese TV -

….18:00 Islamic Resistance fighters target a tank in the vicinity of the headquarters of Division 91 in Branit with the appropriate weapons, hitting it directly: statement…..

That makes 85 MBTs claimed to be knocked out

Posted by: Exile | Nov 17 2023 17:04 utc | 46

Israel has turned the northern portions of Gaza to rubble with inconclusive result. Now they will blast the rest, and the masses of people will be moved into tighter and tighter enclaves and the acute humanitarian crises will soon reach collapse phase. There is no brake to this process as long as the United States continues its unconditional support.

Israel must be compelled to stop its harmful activity, and there is no current means to do so.

Posted by: jayc | Nov 17 2023 17:05 utc | 47

Ok, so there is a wider realization that there is a more and more overt totalitarian Jewish religious project threatening both West Asia and Western nations with its powerful lobby groups inside public and private institutions.
If you haven't already read all Israel Shahak books, it is time now. As Shahak rightfully mentioned time and again, you can NOT understand Israel's policy, and Jewish lobby groups, with only a classical Cartesian, Hobbesian, Machiavellian reading of this Jewish State, and previous Jewish forms of power relations.

You have to read about the insane Rabbinical oppression of medieval Jewish ghettos in Europe and in the Muslim modern states of that time. Jews on Jews ruthless oppression was the rule, apartheid was imposed from inside, plus a deeply internalized hatred of non-Jews, with an emphasis on Christians who are still hated with a particular passion. Ironically it was Gentile rulers who were imposing some order and emancipation, with occasional pogroms and discrimination, especially in central Europe and Russia.

The following link to one of easiest read of Shahak work. https://ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/shahak.html

-- Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years Professor Israel Shahak - Pluto Press (2002) --

- It is against the glorification of inhumanity, proclaimed not only by the rabbis but by those who are supposed to be the greatest and certainly the most influential scholars of Judaism, that we have to struggle; and it is against those modern successors of the false prophets and dishonest priests that we have to repeat even in the face of an almost unanimous opinion within Israel and among the majority of Jews in countries such as the USA, Lucretius' warning against surrendering one's judgement to the declamations of religious leaders: Tantuii: religio potuit suadere malorum – 'To such heights of evil are men driven by religion.' Religion is not always (as Marx said) the opium of the people, but it can often be so, and when it is used in this sense by prevaricating and misrepresenting its true nature, the scholars and intellectuals who perform this task take on the character of opium smugglers.

But we can derive from this analysis another, more general conclusion about the most effective and horrific means of compulsion to do evil, to cheat and to deceive and, while keeping one's hands quite clean of violence, to corrupt whole peoples and drive them to oppression and murder. (For there can no longer be any doubt that the most horrifying acts of oppression in the West Bank are motivated by Jewish religious fanaticism.) Most people seem to assume that the worst totalitarianism employs physical coercion, and would refer to the imagery of Orwell's 1984 for a model illustrating such a regime. But it seems to me that this common view is greatly mistaken, and that the intuition of Isaac Asimov, in whose science fiction the worst oppression is always internalized, is the more true to the dangers of human nature. Unlike Stalin's tame scholars, the rabbis – and even more so the scholars attacked here, and with them the whole mob of equally silent middlebrows such as writers, journalists, public figures, who lie and deceive more than them – are not facing the danger of death or concentration camp, but only social pressure; they lie out of patriotism because they believe that it is their duty to lie for what they conceive to be the Jewish interest. They are patriotic liars, and it is the same patriotism which reduces them to silence when confronted with the discrimination and oppression of the Palestinians.

In the present case we are also faced with another group loyalty, but one which comes from outside the group, and which is sometimes even more mischievous. Very many non-Jews (including Christian clergy and religious laymen, as well as some marxists from all marxist groups) hold the curious opinion that one way to 'atone' for the persecution of Jews is not to speak out against evil perpetrated by Jews but to participate in 'white lies' about them. The crude accusation of 'antisemitism' (or, in the case of Jews, 'self-hate') against anybody who protests at the discrimination of Palestinians or who points out any fact about the Jewish religion or the Jewish past which conflicts with the 'approved version' comes with greater hostility and force from non-Jewish 'friends of the Jews' than from Jews. It is the existence and great influence of this group in all western countries, and particularly in the USA (as well as the other English-speaking countries) which has allowed the rabbis and scholars of Judaism to propagate their lies not only without opposition but with considerable help. -

Posted by: Refuznik | Nov 17 2023 17:07 utc | 48

ethnic cleansing/genocide by any other name...

thanks b.. your last line says it all..

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2023 17:08 utc | 49

No- the leash is actually on the us president.

@ Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 17 2023 16:42 utc | 39

That is what people say, but
I believe that the US president is beholden only to US policy which is set by US bureaucracy in collaboration with US (Global) merchants.

I am skeptical that protests (or the UN) can make any amount of difference.
Even if they were to cause trouble for the President, the policy is unaffected.

I think that the public (including myself) do not understand how the US version of democracy (some would say republic) actually works.

Posted by: jared | Nov 17 2023 17:09 utc | 50

From Novara Media YouTube video on IOF Hospital footage which also includes legal opinion:

Right to self defense Article is under Art 51 UN Charter: only when one state attacked by another.

Occupying power cannot invoke self defense against people it occupies. Longest occupation in modern history.

ICJ Advisory Opinion 2004 says art 51 irrelevant because Israel is an occupying power and cannot invoke SD against people who have a right to resist.

In this armed conflict both parties must abide by IHL and especially 4th article Geneva Convention protection of civilians that Israel is violating.

All four "evidence"videos have been shredded on twitter.

Video 1: the guy showing the elevator shaft and a calendar that he claimed was a terrorist "shift" list has become the hottest meme going.

Video 2: full of hilarious stupidity but the biggest absurdity was that the "terrorists hid guns" .....behind a GIANT MAGNET. Nobody could take a gun near an MRI if the machine was on
However the IOF clearly reads comments because he said: look guys, no cuts in the video and don't give me this crap that we planted it....

Video 3: they dug up a sewage tank as evidence of a "tunnel".

Video 4: now they cover their faces to avoid being memed. Progress.
They show a huge pristine white vehicle with guns. While people are taking wounded to the hospital in donkey carts. It took them three days to spot the huge white vehicle.

What's terrifying is that the second video shows they are COMPLETELY DESTROYING EVERYTHING IN THE HOSPITAL.

All Northern Gaza hospitals are now destroyed and/or under siege surrounded by tanks. No medical help. Indonesian hospital was a bloodbath yesterday. And it has now shut down.

200 men taken away. Dead bodies have also been taken away by Israel.

Posted by: Pq | Nov 17 2023 17:18 utc | 51

Orthodox Christians know well that every faith has its betrayers, who can dominate and call themselves the true faith. Back in the eighth century there were those within our church who started a pogrom against icons, and they dominated the church for centuries. People were persecuted, tortured, terrible crimes were committed against them in the name of the state religion. So many icons were destroyed that only in Egypt did one monastery remain to claim continuity with the artistry of the past, Saint Catherine's in the Sinai.

It can happen to any faith. Here's a fragment of verse from Eliot's Four Quartets:

...The Word in the desert
Is most attacked by voices of temptation,
The crying shadow in the funeral dance,
The loud lament of the disconsolate chimera.

Most attacked. And where did the icon painters find refuge? They found it in Rome, because the Roman Christians did not have the same intense reverence for icons- for them the art was just beautiful religious paintings. But they gave the icon painters refuge. And finally they were able to return, when faith in them was restored.

For myself, I would not like to live in a world without icons. But that is me.

Words move, music moves
Only in time; but that which is only living
Can only die. Words, after speech, reach
Into the silence. Only by the form, the pattern,
Can words or music reach
The stillness, as a Chinese jar still
Moves perpetually in its stillness.

Multipolarity.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 17 2023 17:19 utc | 52

While their American bullyboy will still unconditionally support anything Israel wants....

Posted by: Feral Finster | Nov 17 2023 17:21 utc | 53

I highly suggest barflies read all of Crooke's al-Mayadeen column for it contains much more than the bit b cited, specifically the actual military confrontation that the IOF is losing.

As for the rest, I suggest my three related substack essays: "Vengeance or Eschatological Rage? Both Are Genocide in Gaza"; "Zionism: The Cult and Its Adherents"; and "War in West Asia: Another Point-of View".

What the Zionists are trying hard to do and failing at currently is expanding the war in the North. I suggest this item at The Cradle, "Beyond rhetoric: Iraq's resistance front expands to US-Israeli war on Gaza".

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 17 2023 17:22 utc | 54

"Thanksgiving" Day of Mourning is coming up here in the U.S.A.. On this day instead of eating oneself glutton and watching football games, North American Indigenous peoples fast and remember what really happened. As this "holiday" this year is coinciding with the current Nakba taking place in Palestine, looks like it is time for this holiday to go international.

Posted by: Gee Eye Joe | Nov 17 2023 17:26 utc | 55

This is what Israel has always been. It has gotten away with that only because of US domestic politics.

When the US changes, then Israel will stop, and likely end as a Jewish State within a few decades after that, rather like South Africa and Rhodesia.

Posted by: Mark Thomason | Nov 17 2023 17:27 utc | 56

orthodox christianity is only distinguished from the repugnancy of judiasm by degrees...no disrespect intended

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2023 17:26 utc | 56

Orthodox as in Russia/Greek or what?

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 17 2023 17:28 utc | 57

@11 Jared
Many assume that the USA controls Israel and tells it what to do but how can you clarify why the Biden Administration has been mentioned in recent articles that they cannot change or affect the Genocide in Gaza. Biden's hands are tied since Nuttyyahoo is quoted as saying ((they)) will squeeze and use up the usa until there is nothing left?? How do you explain that??

No- the leash is actually on the us president and so when the people startprotesting much harder Biden will be done. And the us will be done....on earth until they go to heav- hell.

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 17 2023 16:42 utc | 39

The appearance of things support what you say. It appears that Israel actually runs western imperialism via AIPAC and a 5th column within the political elite in the US. Appearances are frequently not reality.

The reality underneath this appearance is that Likud/yahoo are the Ukronazis/Zelinsky of the middle east and this Gaza genocide is a version of the murder of innocents in Donbass.

US imperialism has the same regional ambitions in the middle east that they have in Eurasia. Gaza is the spark to set the whole region alight while they believe it's still possible to take Lebanon, Syria and Iran.

They cover the whole thing with a class of victims built up by their media over decades: the Jews. Not unlike their domestic operations which are covered by another class of golden victims built up by the media over decades: women, blacks, gays.

In both cases, none of this is uniformly endorsed by Jews, women, blacks, or gays. Yet, they make good cover.

The RC dares you to challenge their desperate imperial operations and if you do you are antisemitic, racist, sexist or homophobic. It wants to channel your opposition to imperialist war and the destruction of elementary rights to an opposition to their golden victims. If they succeed, they get all the wage slaves fighting one another and not the Imperialists, which then justifies further attack on your basic rights...to keep the peace.

There is a solution to this: class war. That option if done properly eliminates the contrived tribalism by drawing all wage slaves into an anti imperialist block across nations.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 17 2023 17:32 utc | 58

This is a negotiation, and the Jews are nothing if not good negotiators. The Arabs' opening offer is "we will kill most of you and push the rest into the sea." If the Jews just countered with the modest proposal like "we'll give you your own state to do as you please in all of Gaza and the West Bank," then the ultimate negotiated middle after give and take would be unacceptable. So, you have to provide a downside -- stay in Gaza and the West Bank, stop firing rockets, and slaughtering concertgoers OR ELSE. And the OR ELSE has to be something less than, "we'll give you your own state to do as you please in all of Gaza and the West Bank." So, the Jews continue to encroach on the lands that have been previously been offered to the Palestinians, which the Palestinians have repeatedly rejected. I would have more sympathy for the Palestinians if they would ever accept any of the proposals for a two state solution. Then, if the Jews did not respect the recognized borders, whatever they are, then I would condemn the Israelis. However, so long as the Arabs are stuck on their opening offer of "we will kill most of you and push the rest into the sea" it is hard to sympathize with their plight.

Posted by: tommylotto | Nov 17 2023 17:32 utc | 59

@ @ juliania | Nov 17 2023 17:19 utc | 52

hey juliania... i saw a video of a rabbi speaking on the difference between zionism and judaism.. i think you and others would find this interview quite informative.. i shared it on the previous open palestine thread yesterday.. here it is again..

''jewish rabbi talks about the ideology of zionism''

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2023 17:35 utc | 60

>> "its war against Hamas "

Dropping 25000 tons of 2.2 million of your own citizens, a few thousand of which may or may not be associated with an organization accused of committing acts of terror* is neither a war (armies of two states fighting each other) nor targeting Hamas (killing several innocent civilians per target is not targeted strikes, it is slaughter).

* or, as our media would call it if those acts were committed by Israeli citizens of the Jewish faith "operations" against terrorists hiding behind human shields.

Posted by: Marvin | Nov 17 2023 17:39 utc | 61

Alastair Crooke really loves pushing his bullsh*t about the civilization clash narrative that he worked so hard to build during his decades long career in MI6. Let's remember he started his career as Cold War arms dealer in Afghanistan. Participated in a fake peace process to further subjugate Palestinians. And then after being outed by Israel became a sly Islamophobe.

Now he spends his retirement hoping we will buy the Clash he is cheering for.

"So Muslims come to see the crisis as an uncompromising civilisational war -- The West versus ‘us’."

What absolute hogwash.

Most journalists, Jewish (eg. Max Blumenthal) and non Jewish (Vanessa Beeley, Eva Bartlett have framed this as a resistance against a violent, supremacist, apartheid regime. Which is my view too. The Palestinian resistance used to be secular. Hezbollah has Christian members and protecting Christians in its charter.

Nobody in the region wants war. They just want genocide in Gaza to stop.
That's why the main word used to describe the Riyadh summit was "disappointing".

Until recently there using to be lots of Christian Democrat parties in Europe but if someone puts Muslim in their party name....it must be authoritarian and repressive.

The civilization clash that Alastair doesn't realise is happening is civilization on one side and barbarian savages on the other. And thiß doesn't run across national or religious boundaries. Trade unions across the world eg are on the side of "civilization".

Posted by: Pq | Nov 17 2023 17:39 utc | 62

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2023 17:31 utc | 59
Ha, you beat me to it. I picked it right off.
But it was easy, the guy's pathetic, eh?

Posted by: waynorinorway | Nov 17 2023 17:39 utc | 63

correction
>> "its war against Hamas "

Dropping 25000 tons of bombs on 2.2 million of your own citizens, a few thousand of which may or may not be associated with an organization accused of committing acts of terror* is neither a war (armies of two states fighting each other) nor targeting Hamas (killing several innocent civilians per target is not targeted strikes, it is slaughter).

* or, as our media would call it if those acts were committed by Israeli citizens of the Jewish faith "operations" against "terrorists" "hiding behind human shields".

Posted by: Marvin | November 17, 2023 at 17:39

Posted by: Marvin | Nov 17 2023 17:41 utc | 64


To distill this barbarism unfolding before my eyes into a few words —

The Teeny Tiny Strip of land called Israel and the little island of UK are fearful because they are resource poor and the world’s power constellation has irreversibly changed.
This motivates calculations of violence and genocide, using whatever justifications and proxies are available including homicidal Talmudic settlers from Brooklyn. Once fear is spread into the population of Israel (nutty’s “911”), the fire of chaos spreads, altering ‘facts’ on the ground such that stealing and killing is good.

They, the modern-day barbarians, infiltrated the US’s MICIMATT through theft, deception, blackmail and bribery ( finding many willing accomplices in US) to enable their imperialist aspirations. The intensification of this outrage, ongoing
since the inception of the Wolfowitz Doctrine, but also before, reveals big-eared idiots, who cannot listen, sitting naked on nukes with other idiots cheering them on. Insanity is USUKIS.

Traditionally sharing is a win win. Most women know this through long experience. Some of these big-eared men who can’t listen want it all and can’t conceive of sharing. Everything is theirs.

An interesting aside. Doug Feith was working for Izzy intel according to a senior pentagon official who was positioned to know. Dialing 911 ( in US this is an emergency number) is mutifaceted; when ‘they’ do it we all suffer.

Posted by: suzan | Nov 17 2023 17:44 utc | 65

The roots of the Palestinian - Israeli crisis are historically far deeper and more profound than known which makes this crisis said to be the most important to the fate of humanity. Futurist Benjamin Creme, who provided information about Maitreya - the teacher for the age and head of what is called the Spiritual Hierarchy, stated:

"The Palestinian/Israeli problem, which is central to the problems of the Middle East, I believe will only be solved through the action of Maitreya. But even Maitreya cannot impose a solution, he can only advise. But his acceptance by countless millions in the world as a spiritual teacher and guide will make it easier for the most fanatical Israeli Jew or Palestinian Muslim to accept the necessity of living together side by side. This can only take place when justice is given to the Palestinians. When justice is done and seen to be done, fully and completely, then the solution will become acceptable by the Muslims, and, even if grudgingly, by the Israelis. They have eventually to learn to live side by side and they can only do so in a state of justice. Otherwise there would inevitably be perpetual war between the two."
https://share-international.org/special-statement/

Posted by: westly | Nov 17 2023 17:47 utc | 66

2 minute video of latest ambushes on Southern Front. IDF infantry getting pummeled. The last minute is gruesome. It’s painful to watch these ill trained draftees getting ambushed by highly motivated professionals.

https://english.almanar.com.lb/1980134

Posted by: Exile | Nov 17 2023 17:47 utc | 67

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 17 2023 15:33 utc | 8

For "believers" in final sentence of top post substitute "batshit insane" and for "one religion" try "Bronze Age tribal cult". And it is even worse than that since any original tribe with such insane eschatology is long gone with the wind. What we have instead is cosplay Bronze Age, dressup games for the insane.

We should laugh these clowns off the stage. Instead we feast and fete them, give them money and weapons.

The belligerents are only able to pursue their aim to destroy each other because various factions in the West (Cocaine Importation Agency, Meddling Internationally 6 and other chaos addicted cartels) continue to fund them. If the supply of weapons and cash were stopped they would have to resort to sticks and stones and would then remove the threat of Armageddon that the rest of us have to live under.

Posted by: gwaigau | Nov 17 2023 17:48 utc | 68

Why can't we all just grow up, forget all the silly, nonsensical religious idiocy on all sides and resolve our differences non-violently like "homo sapiens"? Answer: because we humans are an evolutionary mistake. First clue: We named ourselves as "homo sapiens". Nothing could be further from the truth. Second clue: Every single despicable nation (human tribe) labels itself as the 'chosen ones'. Comes with tribalism. The more 'chosen' a particular tribe, the more despicable its actions. Case in point: Current Israel. The good news: In a thousand years from now (no time at all in geological terms) the country now known as Israel will be gone and forgotten. Something to look forward to.

Posted by: NewJerseyJoe | Nov 17 2023 17:53 utc | 69

ps: the difference between Crooke's "clash of civilization" framing vs "resistance to apartheid supremacist occupier" has huge implications.

The "Clash" narrative urges you to be on the side of NATOstan's genocide because we have to fear that "other" religion. Like it or dislike it, right now it's NATOstan and Israel on one side and Global South-India on the other. But we need to be scared of the I word.

On the other hand the resistance-occupier narrative means that everyone who has been screwed over by Empire, including the people who work hardest in real jobs, identify with Palestinians. WITHIN Natostan. The highly paid professional classes, aka David Graeber's Bullshit Job class are largely absent at the marches. The main people present are those who make a living from this.

Trouble WITHIN Empire is what Empire Champions like Crooke fear the most. And yet it is public pressure within NATOstan that is the best hope for stopping the carnage.

David Graeber:
https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bullshit-jobs/

Posted by: Pq | Nov 17 2023 17:54 utc | 70

……ICJ Advisory Opinion 2004 says art 51 irrelevant because Israel is an occupying power and cannot invoke SD against people who have a right to resist.…..

This is yuge pq - link or more detail please.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 17 2023 17:54 utc | 71

@ Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 17 2023 17:32 utc | 60

Proxy are not necessarily under complete and direct control of the principal.
Ukraine would be another example.
And that is part of the appeal of the proxy (attack dog) - the feature of deniability.

Clearly the US could reign Israel in if it chose to.
That the US indicates it cannot, does not make it so.

I think an objective view makes the reality apparent.
But the reality is inconvenient for some.

I may be mistaken.

Posted by: jared | Nov 17 2023 17:58 utc | 72

"This is a war by a significant number of believers in one religion against all others."

The question that poses itself: Is it a "religion"?

Posted by: Fadi | Nov 17 2023 17:59 utc | 73

Stephen Spielberg gets Tom Hanks to play Bibi Satanyahoo in upcoming propaganda flick designed to humanize the homicidal war criminal
mr rogers by association?

Posted by: ld | Nov 17 2023 18:02 utc | 74

The above article is important prediction. The Global West, the UN, Russia, China, the Middle East have since the inception of Israel set no boundaries on conformance with international law after Eisenhower made them give back the Sinai to Egypt. This has given Israel a sense of impunity which has only been reinforced in the present by heavily armed gunboats defending as well as total failure of the UN or any other global entity to enforce even the Security council sanctioned humanitarian pause. For Israel, Likud dominated, this is the green light for expansion through Syria, Lebanon, parts of Jordan et.al. as well as once and forever extinguishing the threat of Iran. The Old Testament , which to them overrides any man-made institutional strictures, entitles them to all lands from the Euphrates to the Nile as "God given." All geopolitical efforts so far to contain the conflagration against the Palestinians has only been read by Israeli leaders as the green light for further expansion. Clearly, Israel has slipped the leash from US control and is on a genocidal rampage, threatening to inflict on Beirut and Lebanon the same carnage as Gaza - and onward to Syria and Iran. Either the rest of the world more effectively confronts and contains this belligerent country, invokes the genocide conventions against them or there will be regional warfare which will immediately inflame the entire world.

Posted by: abierno | Nov 17 2023 18:03 utc | 75

Maybe this sounds OT but I don't think it is.

From a judicial, philosofical and/or moral point of view, which is worse of killing 14 thosand civilians; during 8 weeks or 8 years?

Posted by: blueswede | Nov 17 2023 18:04 utc | 76

In response to
"
"This is a war by a significant number of believers in one religion against all others."

The question that poses itself: Is it a "religion"?

Posted by: Fadi | Nov 17 2023 17:59 utc | 76
"

Religions are the epitome of a Rules Based Order. Its all open to interpretation but there is faith or apostasy, my way or the highway.....I call it barbaric patriarchy with a myth face to give it credibility and to justify the killing of other humans that may not like your Rules.....and its ok to be hypocritical like with the usury thing, huh Pope Frank?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 17 2023 18:12 utc | 77

The toy is worldly power. It is empire. It is money, land, influence, obedience. It is the hegemony of polite discussion and allowable thought. It is the temptation that violent control commands safety and comfort. It is one over the other, exploitation, a game that requires people to be othered and then manipulated.

Worldly power does grant all this and more... for a time. But like dust on the wind it goes away, and the bill for moral sickness comes due. The cost is your self. You do not dance with delusions of grandeur and come to unchanged, or well loved.

Round and round we go, ever rhyming with past warnings. And yet the spoiled child must be taught right from wrong. Can we resist and correct, or must we all fall down?

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 17 2023 18:13 utc | 78

moral point of view, which is worse of killing 14 thosand civilians

Posted by: blueswede | Nov 17 2023 18:04 utc | 76

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What matters most is: were those civilians culled from the winners or the losers.

Posted by: too scents | Nov 17 2023 18:16 utc | 79

re titmouse 28 who's asking what the "favourite toy" might be? --

I think it's admiration.

Posted by: persiflo | Nov 17 2023 18:28 utc | 80

The title of the article misses the mark by far IMO. The Zionist ideology involves the supremacy of the Anglo-American empire. The non-Jewish Zionists outnumber not just the Jewish Zionists, but the entire Jewish population globally by orders of magnitude. And it is obvious that without the Gentile Zionists the Jewish ones would be minor players.

By now, it is safe to assert that it is the bottomless support towards Israel by the Anglosphere that has led to the transformation of Zionism from a chauvinist ideology to one of visceral, genocidal racism. Since Zionism mirrors Anglo-American supremacism - albeit with a far superior brand due to the weaponization of the Holocaust - its proponents, ever consistent champions of Anglo superiority, ensured unconditional backing for Israel. That led to a progressive degeneration into an intensely extremist mindset that would be unacceptable for any other entity that doesn't enjoy such support form the Anglo-American regime and consequently the west.

All in all, the present horror show isn't an exclusively Jewish thing nor one connected strictly with Judaism. The massive support for the utterly criminal Zionist regime by the collective west is fundametally a self-validation of said western neo-colonialists. And it is imperative to grasp this particular aspect of the conflict whose current intensity is a product of a consistent western policy for quite some time. Placing emphasis exclusively or mostly on Israel only serves to hide this grim reality.

Posted by: Constantine | Nov 17 2023 18:31 utc | 81

…ICJ Advisory Opinion 2004 says art 51 irrelevant because Israel is an occupying power and cannot invoke SD against people who have a right to resist.…..

This is yuge pq - link or more detail please.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 17 2023 17:54 utc |

…ICJ Advisory Opinion 2004 says art 51 irrelevant because Israel is an occupying power and cannot invoke SD against people who have a right to resist.…..

This is yuge pq - link or more detail please.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 17 2023 17:54 utc |

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-178825/#:~:text=Israel's%20international%20responsibility%20Israel%20obliged,wall%2C%20to%20dismantle%20it%20forthwith


This is the reason I object so vehemently to Empire "experts" like Crooke. They deliberately obfuscate the fact that everything about Israel since 1948 is documented in international law but there has been no ENFORCEMENT.
40% of all UN resolutions in its entire existence are against Israel.
There was no enforcement when Palestinian resistance was secular and peaceful. The PA tried so hard Israel to ICC and ICC sat on its backside for 15 years when it took about 5 days to get a warrant for Putin.

Netanyahoo may quote the Bible or Donald Duck to avoid going to jail. We all know he is no Rabbi.

For those who doubt me, read Crooke's foreign policy publications and book. His whole job right now is to tell the media to tell the public to trust in Empire because the alternative is worse.

His summaries of recent events may be useful for those who don't follow the Telegram channels and updates from AJ etc. But he can't stop himself from adding "civilization clash".

Because the alternative would be to talk about a supremacist Empire and its rules based order: Follow my rules or I will kill you.

Posted by: Pq | Nov 17 2023 18:38 utc | 82

Good well-thought out article from Crooke.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 17 2023 18:38 utc | 83

Re-posting partial content of link below;

Did God give the Holy Land to the Jews/Israelite's?

Author Naomi Wolf was challenged to read the Bible.

"We as Jews are raised with the creed that "God gave us the land of Israel" in Genesis -- and that ethnically 'we are the chosen people." But actually -- and I could not believe my eyes when I saw this, I checked my reading with major scholars and they confirmed it -- actually God's "covenant" in Genesis, exodus and Deuteronomy with the Jewish people is NOT ABOUT AN ETHNICITY AND NOT ABOUT A CONTRACT. IT IS ABOUT A WAY OF BEHAVING.

Again and again in the "covenant" language He never says: "I will give you, ethnic Israelites, the land of Israel." Rather He says something far more radical - far more subversive -- far more Godlike in my view. He says: IF you visit those imprisoned...act mercifully to the widow and the orphan...welcome the stranger in your midst...tend the sick...do justice and love mercy ....and perform various other tasks...THEN YOU WILL BE MY PEOPLE AND THIS LAND WILL BE YOUR LAND. So "my people" is not ethnic -- it is transactional. We are God's people not by birth but by a way of behaving, that is ethical, kind and just. And we STOP being "God's people" when we are not ethical, kind and just.

...

AND -- it never ever says, it is ONLY your land. "

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/7/25/1316687/-Author-Naomi-Wolf-Challenged-results-blow-her-mind

Which suggests this posturing about the Holy Land might just be the the oldest surviving narrative known to 'People Kind'.

Might have even inspired Joseph Smith's wondrous tales about disappearing Golden Plates which an entire modern day religion was built upon. Curiously Smith received directions to locate the plates from an Angel named MORONI. Can't make this stuff up.

Yet it inspired not just a separate religion, also legions of youngsters to travel to foreign lands as missionaries spreading the word. See Mitt Romney goes to France and avoids Vietnam.

Which leads me to George Carlin's thoughts on Religions...:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tp0UNcjzl8


Posted by: bubbles | Nov 17 2023 18:42 utc | 84

Absolutely. Hezbollah has plenty of missiles to take out every airstrip in Israel. Sufficient range, sufficient accuracy, redundancy. If the damage is repairable, Hezbollah takes them out again. The question is can Hezbollah do this without meeting nuclear weapons?

Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 17 2023 15:56 utc | 24

You cannot stop an air force by holing the tarmac, that is too easy to repair. Sure, you can disrupt operations somewhat but that's it.
You need to go after the aircrafts themselves if you want decisive results.

Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 17 2023 18:44 utc | 85

Might is Right.
My God is bigger than your God.
Killing my neighbor is justified by Passage xxxx(3) of my chosen book.
All I know for certain is the future will not get better for Israel as they kill - for whatever reason they chose to conjure up.
And how Washington DC is controlled by Israeli and U.S. "Christian" Zionists is a question worth pursuing.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 17 2023 18:51 utc | 86

Mark Thomason | Nov 17 2023 17:27 utc | 56-Maybe the world is starting to take note:


https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/south-africa-refers-israel-international-criminal-court

Not that I have any faith whatever in the highly politicised ICC.

Posted by: Vragtes | Nov 17 2023 18:53 utc | 87

@ psychohistorian | Nov 17 2023 18:12 utc | 77

Very good post!

In my view, the way the human mind and propaganda works is that the “creator of reality” subverts the emotional response of any traumatic event and builds on it using previous prejudices like tribalism, racism, and other fake truisms to subvert the victim’s minds to a new version of reality, which when cemented into place, due to the temporarily vulnerability of the target victim of brainwashing.

Fake facts like “God intended the US of A” to a bunch of genocidal white people, or any place to any specific tribe, is just a justification to genocide and greed.

Religion IMHO on an every day basis, helps people get through their agony of their lives, and for others justifies their misdeeds and emotional responses to events. In other circumstances, it incorrectly describes empirical facts of obsolete paradigms.

Posted by: Michael.j | Nov 17 2023 18:54 utc | 88

Barflies !

Please read or skim this ICJ advisory opinion - it’s absolutely devastating for Tel Aviv. It’s jaw dropping in its condemnation.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-178825/#:~:text=Israel's%20international%20responsibility%20Israel%20obliged,wall%2C%20to%20dismantle%20it%20forthwith

PQ thank you hugely

Posted by: Exile | Nov 17 2023 18:57 utc | 89

Few people would disagree with the proposition that the State most likely to use nuclear weapons in the foreseeable future is Israel.

It follows that tracking Israel’s nuclear weapons likely has the highest priority.

And it follows from that that Israel is the biggest danger to World peace and therefore the most likely recipient of a pre-emptive strike.

Does Netanyahu feel lucky?

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Nov 17 2023 18:59 utc | 90

Posted by: KMRIA | Nov 17 2023 16:29 utc | 35

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Many of these overt appeals are coping.

All of us are helpless in times like these, so we tend to rationalize just outcomes in an attempt to obtain catharsis.

I prefer to pray for the safety of the innocent and to soften the hearts of the wicked.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 17 2023 19:00 utc | 91

he question is can Hezbollah do this without meeting nuclear weapons?
Posted by: oldhippie | Nov 17 2023 15:56 utc | 24

That is the big question. I believe the Brits were trying to Pull the US into direct conflict with Russia in the Ukraine. The Israelis are doing the same. The Israelis, with religion to back up their hatred and the next level crazies, same as CIA Islamic terrorism ISIS, AQ, Freedom fighters ect.
Plenty of religious crazies in the US as well that will be trying to push US into a major middle east war as well.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 19:07 utc | 92

Proxy are not necessarily under complete and direct control of the principal.
Ukraine would be another example.
And that is part of the appeal of the proxy (attack dog) - the feature of deniability.

Clearly the US could reign Israel in if it chose to.
That the US indicates it cannot, does not make it so.

I think an objective view makes the reality apparent.
But the reality is inconvenient for some.

I may be mistaken.

Posted by: jared | Nov 17 2023 17:58 utc | 72

Yes you are correct. Israel is a forward base for the US in the middle east. For anyone who says it the other way are either forgetting or trying to downplay imperialism. This was article that was linked in one of the comments a few days ago:

https://michael-hudson.com/2023/11/israel-as-a-landed-aircraft-carrier/

The leaders of the axis of resistance all say this also they know America is the head of the beast. They see Israel as a little defenseless country that can barely standup for itself without help from the US.

Posted by: Ahmed | Nov 17 2023 19:10 utc | 93

Religion... meh. All I'm hearing here is land-grab and resource-grab. If I murder my neighbour and take his house I need a narrative that explains why I was right ('it wasn't murder') and why his house was always in some sense 'mine'. All metaphysical and theological mumbo-jumbo has its roots in the repression of some scandalous historical reality. This is the message of Sophocles' Oedipus Tyrannos: all my self-belief is so much wilful occlusion of a foundational crime. It makes the world turn...

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2023 19:10 utc | 94

@Michael.j | Nov 17 2023 18:54 utc | 88

Sorry! It should read “it is cemented”, instead of “which when cemented”.

Posted by: Michael.j | Nov 17 2023 19:17 utc | 95

RIchard - 45

“He became the leading influence on Ezra and the priestly school that edited the Torah’s early sources into a version that was finalized when the Jews returned from Babylon and wrote the Babylonian concepts of economic justice into the Mosaic Holiness Code. In an apocalyptic tone Ezekiel 7 announces: “The word of the Lord came to me: … ‘The end is now upon you and I will unleash my anger against you. I will judge you according to your conduct and repay you for all your detestable practices,’” citing the polarization of wealth by the wealthiest Jews, corrupting the law courts and violating the original covenant with the Lord.“

Michael is saying that the prophets were actually intellectuals who lied to people and spoke in God’s name with threats. He also did this after the fact given that they were in exile. Also Michael leaves out the bits about non-Babylonian parts of the new religion from Babylon, this courtesy of Zoroastrian empire of the Persians (who is returning this new edited version back to Jerusalem).

If it is the word of prophets you are looking for, there is Sura 17 of Qur’an. That states God’s position regarding this entire matter. Reading between the lines, Allah seems to approve of a one state solution since there is affordances in reasonable readings of that Sura for the children of Israel to actually “dwell in the land” but gentle reminders of what precisely was done twice before to them ala editorials of the prophet from Babylon above should they return to their evil ways. So “return” per se is not an issue as far as Allah is concerned, but rather “returning to wickedness” is a Red Line.

The Sura promises more of the same. And worth noting that Allah’s red lines are not to be confused with ideological organizations’ red lines. Also note that in prior 2 times Allah chastised Israel HE used non-believers, Babylonians for example. So just in case the point is not clear, don’t think being used by Allah for that purposes is indication of your holiness. That would be a presumptuous error ..

Posted by: robinthehood | Nov 17 2023 19:18 utc | 96

@ waynorinorway | Nov 17 2023 17:39 utc | 63

thanks! yes- i agree!

Posted by: james | Nov 17 2023 19:38 utc | 97

Exile | Nov 17 2023 17:47 utc | 67

Indeed. Are they really just standing about there, leisurely looking out of windows??

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abierno | Nov 17 2023 18:03 utc | 75

"Clearly, Israel has slipped the leash from US control and is on a genocidal rampage"

Couldn't agree more. Israel doesn't depend on anyone in particular anymore, even the US. It's certainly helpful to have the support of the tight Jewish circle around Biden (Jeff Zients, Ron Klain, Antony Blinken, Jonathan Finer, Ed Siskel), but they could do without it as well.

Russian or Iranian comments of the sort of "It's the US that's behind all this" is just deluded talk to mask their own cowardice, inertia and impotence.

"Either the rest of the world more effectively confronts and contains this belligerent country, invokes the genocide conventions against them or there will be regional warfare which will immediately inflame the entire world."

Turkey needs to shut up and act. At this point, they're the only ones who could stop the carnage with non-military measures. All they have to do is interrupt the oil flow to Israel for a week or so, and Netanyahu would have to budge. Sure, that would put the Turkish currency at risk, but that's where the others could get active. Russia, Iran and various Muslim countries could agree behind the scenes to support the Lira.

THe kind of resistance our "Axis of Resistance" is presenting us in the post Qasem Soleimani world only reminds me of these song lyrics:
"To resist is to piss into the wind. Anyone who does will end up smelling."

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Nov 17 2023 19:42 utc | 98

Middle East Eye live feed reports;

International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor Karim Khan announced on Friday that five countries, including South Africa, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Comoros and Djibouti have called for a war crime probe over the situation in Palestinian territories.

The ICC has an ongoing investigation into “the situation in the State of Palestine” for alleged war crimes committed since June 2014, Khan said in a statement.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 17 2023 19:42 utc | 99

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 17 2023 19:10 utc | 94 "All I'm hearing here is land-grab and resource-grab."

For the Americans, creating a larger unsinkable aircraft carrier to control the oil. Regardless of US bullshit to the western public, US actions are fully supportive of the land grab. That became very clear to me yesterday when I read about Israel dropping leaflets on south Gaza.

The religious Zionists though are the same as the likes of ISIS, and in that way just a tool of empire that will be used in the same way ISIS was. That became very clear with what RFK said. For some Americans, he was the great US savior before saying that Israel was for the US unsinkable aircraft carrier that allowed the US to control Persian gulf oil.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 17 2023 19:46 utc | 100

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