Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 29, 2023
On Gaza Biden Has To Climb Down More Than He Already Has

Shortly after Hamas attacked Israel on October 7 the Biden administration argued for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza:

US 'actively working' to establish safe corridor for Gaza civilians: White HouseYeni Safak – Oct 12, 2023

The US is in active talks with Israel and Egypt to establish "safe passage" corridors for civilians in Gaza to flee ongoing Israeli airstrikes, the White House said Wednesday amid an expected ground offensive in the besieged enclave.

"We're actively discussing this with our Israeli and our Egyptian counterparts, we support safe passions for civilians. Civilians are not to blame for what Hamas has done. They didn't do anything wrong," National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters at the White House.

"We are actively working on this with Egyptian and our Israeli counterparts. Civilians are protected under the laws of armed conflict, and they should be given every opportunity to avoid the fighting," he added.

By October 29 Biden was forced to call off those plans.

President Biden @POTUS – 21:23 UTC · Oct 29, 2023

I also spoke with President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi to share my appreciation for Egypt facilitating the delivery of humanitarian assistance to Gaza.

We reaffirmed our commitment to work together and discussed the importance of protecting civilian lives, respect for international humanitarian law, and ensuring that Palestinians in Gaza are not displaced to Egypt or any other nation.

The U.S. president then started to call for a 'pause' in the fighting. This was seen a rejection of a longer term ceasefire as was demanded by other authorities.

There are now signs that he had to give in to pressure to dump that line too:

Joe Biden @JoeBiden – 22:00 UTC · Nov 28, 2023

Hamas unleashed a terrorist attack because they fear nothing more than Israelis and Palestinians living side by side in peace.

To continue down the path of terror, violence, killing, and war is to give Hamas what they seek.

We can’t do that.

There are two reasons for this retreat. The first is that Hamas has, arguably, won the war:

Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai – 5:45 UTC · Nov 29, 2023

This is how I read it: @Netanyahu is in trouble and can't achieve his objectives. The army is incapable of controlling Gaza without thousands of body bags on both sides.

Biden is bringing the ladder. End of Gaza MILITARY war. Reconstruction war starts.

It is time for Netanyahoo to climb down just as Biden himself has already done.

The second reason for Biden's turn around is the outrage within the Democratic party about his one sided take on the issue:

Just weeks after the start of the Israel-Hamas war, Mr. Biden had invited a small group of prominent Muslim Americans to the White House to discuss Islamophobia in America. The participants were blunt with him, according to four people who were in attendance.

They told him that his embrace of Israel after the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks was seen by many as permission for Israel’s bombing in Gaza. They said the president’s statement casting doubt on the death toll among Palestinians was insulting. And they said the fatal stabbing of a 6-year-old Muslim boy outside Chicago was just one devastating result of the dehumanization of their community.

Keith Ellison, Minnesota’s attorney general, who was also at the meeting, said the war had increased risks for Americans, as well.

“Muslim community leaders told President Biden that the suffering of innocent Gazans trying to survive in extremely difficult circumstances has actually increased the likelihood of Islamophobic attacks in the United States,” he said.

Biden was clearly advised that his stand could cost him the presidency:

As Mr. Biden looks toward the 2024 presidential election, his stance on the war could be significant in a contest that may hinge on swing states such as Georgia and Michigan, whose Muslim and Arab American voters turned out for him three years ago.

Democrats in Congress are, for the very first time, attaching conditions to aid for Israel:

“We want the president to secure express assurances from the Netanyahu government regarding a plan to reduce the unacceptable level of civilian casualties, and we want the Netanyahu coalition to commit to full cooperation with our efforts to provide humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza,” said Senator Chris Van Hollen, the Maryland Democrat leading the effort, referring to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. “The bottom line is we need those express assurances. How we achieve that is something that we are discussing right now.”

Mr. Van Hollen spearheaded a letter this month to President Biden that was signed by half of the Democratic caucus and raised concerns about whether the weapons provided by the United States would be used in keeping with international law.

Biden's problem now is that Natanyahoo is likely to ignore pressure from the U.S. because he fears for his own political survival:

Some analysts say Israeli domestic pressures will probably prompt Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to revive the invasion sooner rather than later. Delaying it would put Mr. Netanyahu on a collision course with far-right government ministers who grudgingly supported the cease-fire because they were assured that the invasion would continue after only a short truce.

There are of course some measures the U.S. could take to kick Netanyahoo out. As soon as military supplies from the U.S. to Israel stop it will have to end all fighting. In consequence Natanyahoo would be finally kicked out.

But I do not see signs yet that Biden is willing to take that step.

Comments

Lysias 195
There’s zero chance I’m going to vote for Starmer or Sunak. Might as well vote for Likud.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 30 2023 3:17 utc | 201

I am not addressing the politics or morality of it – will leave that for others.
Posted by: jared | Nov 29 2023 12:59 utc | 10
Well, you are an immoral asshole.
A guy came to my house, killed my dog, beat up my small kid, and said I have to move out. He likes my house. I said that’s stealing. He said I have no choice. He has plans and a big gun. What am I supposed to do with my family? I asked. Your neighbors should accommodate you, they are the same kind of people. I am special, he said.

Posted by: RB | Nov 30 2023 3:20 utc | 202

“…Can you drill deeper?” john brewster@120
I really can’t be bothered to try. I better post this on the Week in Review.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2023 3:51 utc | 203

@ dh | Nov 29 2023 17:32 utc | 89
i sure hope you are correct in that… when i point out to people that the palestinians are also semites, most are completely ignorant of this… i am seeking a solution to this madness.. zionism has created much of this madness, thinking a religious state is possible where anyone of a different religion is considered a 2nd class citizen and worse.. so much for tolerance…
Posted by: james | Nov 29 2023 17:38 utc | 92
I just want to point out the Ashkenazi are not Semitic people and have no connection to ancient Israel. My wife is Ashkenazi and was told by a genetic company that she has the Ashkenazi gene and that her ancestors left ME 30 thousand years ago.

Posted by: RB | Nov 30 2023 4:09 utc | 204

Floyd was a drug addicted middle aged fat man, with clogged arteries, and in the throes of dying from a self inflicted a Fentanyl overdose. The boot on his neck as you say had absolutely nothing to do with his death.
Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 29 2023 16:34 utc | 69
It doesn’t matter. Chauvin sat on the neck of a drugged and unconscious man for 9 minutes with a stupid smile of a sadist. Just for this smile he should be put to prison for life. There is no room in a polite society for such people.

Posted by: RB | Nov 30 2023 4:38 utc | 205

– zionism is the problem…
@ james | Nov 30 2023 2:33 utc | 194
No arguments from me on that score …. it’s the whole of the problem; in combination with those who have supported it all the way along to today.
eg without the British they would have gotten no where to start with – without the Americans they would have lost the 1948/49 war and every one since, including today.
The Muslims have never hated the Jews and they still do not. The issue is not religious, this is one of the Lies the Zionists keep spreading.
The problem is 100% about the terrorism by Zionists, the land theft, the destruction of villages and farms, the lies, the wall, the murders, the occupation, the nakba, the genocide, the refugee camps, the war crimes, the abuse and killings by settlers, the endless killing of Palestinians for 100 years now, the unlawful imprisonment, the destruction of homes, the oppressive tyranny upon the Palestinians, and everything else done to them by the Zionists since 1922.
The Problem is ZIONISM.
Israel’s very existence is a crime against humanity, not only the Palestinians.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 30 2023 4:47 utc | 206

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 29 2023 22:41 utc | 166
Who fucking cares. Does anyone deserve a knee on the neck for more than 9 minutes or not? Yes or no answer. And my answer would be “yes” but only for the psychopathic “leaders” we have continually dragging us little folk into wars. Crush their necks any day.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Nov 30 2023 4:56 utc | 207

Can there really be a “moderate” Zionist? Considering that their core belief is based on the removal of all Palestinians from “the lands of Iseral,” I doubt it:
@ Ed | Nov 30 2023 0:05 utc | 178
The bold part is simply not universally true – even though the two most extreme right wing violent aggressive versions of Zionism currently in power in Israel and globally do certainly seek that. And the chances the other more civil decent versions ever rising to a majority again is virtually nil. (So in that sense you’re are kind of correct.)
If you’re curious and want to learn more about it, the nuances and history, I suggest you check the refs @ Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 29 2023 23:09 utc | 169 and then take your inquiries further down that track to build a better perspective. cheers

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 30 2023 5:01 utc | 208

I apologize if this appears off-topic, b, but several commenters have taken issue with my earlier reference to Solzhenitsyn, so I thought I would clarify my post on that. I simply searched for ‘Solzhenitsyn – Putin’ and found this excellent article describing their relationship and the former’s views at various stages:
https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2022/03/solzhenitsyn-putin-joseph-pearce.html
Were he alive today, I think he might be someone with very worthwhile views on the current crises.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 30 2023 5:03 utc | 209

Actually the larger problem isn’t Zionism per se, it’s what Zionist Israel has been willing to do – and has kept doing with impunity since 1948 and beforethat since 1922.
THe REAL Problem here is all the other nations of the world, beginning with the insidious illegal support by the British in the Palestine Mandate (and the fact the mandate even was created in the first place) that is at fault here.
Plus all the other nations in the world especially the US have been complicit in their criminal and inhumane action every since.
That’s the problem that no one has been willing to hold Israel to account for it’s war crimes, genocides, massacres, land theft, illegal occupation and everything else that is the REAL PROBLEM.
Israeli Zionists and the IDF soldiers and the settlers will keep doing whatever they want because the can! Wailing at Zionists or the Israelis or their Government won’t solve a thing.
It’s the extreme callous immorality and cowardice in our own nations that’s needs to be held to account and forced to act, to enforce the Law, the Geneva Conventions and the UN Resolutions and basic human decency that needs to be fixed first.
But it won’t be.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 30 2023 5:18 utc | 210

Cheers and good wishes to all, Kissinger is dead (must have run out of adrenochrome donors).
May he boil in hell alongside Albright and her ilk.
I’m out to celebrate!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 5:24 utc | 211

For those who want to get mad at me, please first review his work over 15 years before you reply.
Posted by: pq | Nov 29 2023 22:48 utc | 167
pq’s attack on Crooke is really weird. I hold no candle for Crooke other than what he says, which is what counts. But pq makes the fundamental basic error of confusing what someone says or does while in post with what they say after they left. All government officials are in that position; they have to follow govt policy while on the job, and are only free to say what they think once retired. Nearly all Napolitano’s guests are in that position: I find it hard to believe that Ray McGovern, for example, is still spouting the official line of the CIA. But according to pq’s line, he can only be still doing so.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 30 2023 5:30 utc | 212

@ Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 5:24 utc | 211

🦀🦀🦀 Kissinger is dead 🦀🦀🦀

Posted by: too scents | Nov 30 2023 5:55 utc | 213

laguerre @212
Crooke is a (paleo)conservative and as such tends to emphasize cultural contradictions over political-economic ones. This can play into the imperialist’s narrative around the ‘clash of civilizations’ or their characterization of the conflict in Palestine as part of a religious war between Judeo-Christians and Islam, rather than a national liberation struggle against Zionist colonialism.
That’s how I read pq’s criticism anyway.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Nov 30 2023 5:57 utc | 214

the great war-criminal of my lifetime, Henry Kissinger, has finally been taken by the devil to Hell.
all these years he should have been locked up at The Hague for the rest of his life, but instead roamed free.
good riddance, m*therf*cker
Rolling Stone has a very good headline: Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Beloved by America’s Ruling Class, Finally Dies
fyi, here’s a thread for y’all, with just a few of his near innumerable crimes against humanity, all done by him with gusto and total lack of conscience.
https://twitter.com/redstreamnet/status/1730049270328242354
Henry Kissinger, one of the world’s most notorious war criminals, has finally died. Let’s take a look back and remember him for all the things he did:
Orchestrated a military coup in Chile, installing the violently oppressive Pinochet dictatorship. Tens of thousands of people forcibly disappeared, executed and their children stolen and given away under false identities
Gave the greenlight to the Argentinian dictatorship’s murderous crackdown which saw thousands kidnapped, tortured, and killed
Told General Suharto “It is important that whatever you do succeeds quickly” right before the Indonesian army murdered at least a quarter of a million Timorese during the illegal Indonesian occupation
Sabotaged Vietnamese peace talks for his own political gain. Expanded the war into Laos and Cambodia, advocating for the bombing of “anything that moves.” Estimated 2 million Vietnamese dead
Carpet-bombed Cambodia indiscriminately hitting civilian-populated areas and killing hundreds of thousands of Cambodians. Official numbers cannot be verified. Kissinger also claimed they were unpopulated area
“The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.” — Kissinger’s philosophy summed up

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 30 2023 5:59 utc | 215

Posted by: pq | Nov 29 2023 22:48 utc | 167
Posted by: laguerre | Nov 30 2023 5:30 utc | 212
If Crooke is indeed a closet servant of Empire he is an incompetent one.
I have seen more people converted to the Palestinian and Anti-israel cause through his writings than a few others I could name.
I myself was inflamed to the Arab cause by his early writings and never once did I associate religion, or Islamism with his characterization of the Arab anti-imperial struggle.
Anyone with a clear mind can understand the essence of Crooke’s writings. There’s no particular effort on his part to insinuate an ideology beneficial to the empire.
His message and facts are always detrimental to the empire: They tend to reduce support of the Empire to those who newly encounter his writings, and tend to increase support for Arab resistance.
If he is indeed a servant of Empire, by all means, let this bumbling, Mr. Bean-like excuse for an imperial footsoldier continue his work!
As for not trusting those who served in the belly of the beast, like Ritter, Crooke, Fisk, Pilger, McGregor, Vanunu and others, I urge you to look in the mirror: if you’ve been a law abiding, tax paying , voting citizen in any western country for a significant part of your life and not involved in violent anti imperial activism, you’re no higher on the moral high ground than Crooke.
At least Crooke put his life, livelihood and reputation on the line writing what he did.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 6:12 utc | 216

the great war-criminal of my lifetime, Henry Kissinger, has finally been taken by the devil to Hell.
all these years he should have been locked up at The Hague for the rest of his life, but instead roamed free.
good riddance, m*therf*cker
Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 30 2023 5:59 utc | 215
The saddest part of his death is that it was so long delayed.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 6:21 utc | 217

In 2020, I voted for Trump because I was so outraged by how the Democrats had been acting, in particular against Trump, as though he was not a legitimately elected president. This time I believe I will vote again for Jill Stein, as I did in 2016 and 2012, as I am not happy with Trump’s present stance on Israel and Gaza.
Posted by: Lysias | Nov 30 2023 2:36 utc | 195
You can vote for Kermit the Frog. It won’t make a fucking difference. The ruling class owns everyone on offer.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 30 2023 6:24 utc | 218

Musk just offered up the proof of who did the massacre at the kibbutz for the world to see in a huge failed psyops from bibi the butcher.
Look at the chain links for the bullets scattered on the table they looked at. It’s only NATO rounds that use them.
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/16029?single

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 30 2023 7:39 utc | 219

As for not trusting those who served in the belly of the beast, like Ritter, Crooke, Fisk, Pilger, McGregor, Vanunu and others….
DO NOT put words in my mouth!
I never put these in the same basket. Of the ones above I don’t know much about V, but Crooke is the only one I object to. I disagree with McGregor and think he’s bigoted against Arabs but at least he’s frank about it.
Crook has never put his life on the line. Of course he’s bumbling. Empire is. They only destroy stuff.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 6:12 utc | 216

Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 7:58 utc | 220

But this comment above I do not understand either “Crook himself is an Islamist which I define as ….” ? It makes no sense to me.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 29 2023 23:44 utc | 175
From Crook’s point of view an “Islamist” is basically any leader or movement in the Middle East who is
-not a puppet military dictator backed by the US
-not a repressive vassal leader in alliance with the US
He doesn’t speak Arabic but writes books on “Islamist”…I am referring to the stuff he published in 2007 and soon after. He’s like a dog with a bone and he still has not given up on it.
Why is this dangerous? Because it’s diplomatic version of Bush’s you’re either with us or against us.
The last 25 years have seen constant wars of Empire in West Asia under the guise of combating “religious terror”. When in fact most of the actual terrorists have been the mercenary proxies seeking to topple leaders who are financed by Empire.
So if you read the stuff Crooke wrote in 2007 etc about Palestine, there’s nothing wrong with the analysis itself, it’s basic stuff that anyone with two brain cells already knows. But the word “Islamist” keeps appearing everywhere.
He never uses the label “Christian Zionists” for example. The Western public has been trained over 30 years to equate Islam with BAD.
So I’d like to reappropriate that label and stick it on Crook himself and all the others like him who keep pushing us into wars in West Asia based on that label.
I don’t see Al Qassam as “Islamist” for example. I just see them as a resistance group. Perhaps they take their inspiration from a book. Whatever. They’re still fighting for basic stuff like not being under a brutal occupation.

Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 8:34 utc | 221

Crook has never put his life on the line.
Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 7:58 utc | 220
That’s the view of a person who’s never left his basement. Of course anyone who goes against Israel risks his life, and then he lived in Lebanon, where the law enforcement doesn’t work at all. I’ve had endless stories of incidents from my Lebanese friends. Indeed personal security will probably have been why he left (following on from the economic collapse).
The fact that he’s a conservative is neither here nor there. It’s his knowledge and acuity that count – and those he has in plenty.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 30 2023 8:38 utc | 222

Crook has never put his life on the line. Of course he’s bumbling. Empire is. They only destroy stuff.
Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 7:58 utc | 220
Your analysis of crooke becomes more defective the longer it’s reflected upon.
Crooke recounts how he put his life on the line meeting with hostage takers in the west bank and in the Palestinian refugee camps.
He describes how he had to remove all means of tracking in case the IDF decided to take the hostage-taker out along with the hostage and himself too. An imminently plausible scenario given what we know of the Isrealis.
At this point, given the inconsistencies in your argument, I’m inclined to dump the whole lot down the toilet. This baby deserves to go out along with the bathwater.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 8:58 utc | 223

Crook has never put his life on the line. Of course he’s bumbling. Empire is. They only destroy stuff.
Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 7:58 utc | 220
Your analysis of crooke becomes more defective the longer it’s reflected upon.
Crooke recounts how he put his life on the line meeting with hostage takers in the west bank and in the Palestinian refugee camps.
He describes how he had to remove all means of tracking in case the IDF decided to take the hostage-taker out along with the hostage and himself too. An imminently plausible scenario given what we know of the Isrealis.
At this point, given the inconsistencies in your argument, I’m inclined to dump the whole lot down the toilet. This baby deserves to go out along with the bathwater.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 8:58 utc | 224

There has been talk about a civilian aid convoy to Gaza, busting the blockade like in 2010. John Helmer has a rather authoritative piece on this – aptly titled The Thousand Boat Blockade-busting Operation Changes Everything On The Gaza Front – If It Materialises.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Nov 30 2023 9:28 utc | 225

Good piece. There aint goin to be no ‘climb down’. See- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSh0TW3os0
Posted by: Paul | Nov 30 2023 1:48 utc | 191

Here Alastair Crooke makes a TRULY excellent analysis of the situation in the Middle East and in the Ukraine in the first 60 (or so) minutes.
Crooke points out that the entire israeli cabinet has the same opnion and that as a result of that Netanyaho don’t has to fear for his job.
Crooke hints that when/if Israel would attack Hezbollah that then the entire Middle East coould start to explode/implode. He mentions that US military bases in Iraq are regularly being fired upon by iraqi nationalists. US bases in Syria are also regularly being fired upon by syrian nationalists. That could/will escalate when more wars start to erupt in the Middle East (hint, hint)
I draw here the conclusion that Israel is very determined to start one or more conflicts in the Middle East and doesn’t care what the consequences are for especially the US.
There was speculation why the US has sent so many military forces to the east of the Mediteranian. One story is that the US wanted this to give Israel a signal that the US has Israel’s back. But Crooke is more of the opinion that this is meant as a deterrent for all those who want to escalate the wars in the Middle East.
Perhaps the US will get so desparate that it will launch a military attack on Israel. I don’t think this is currently very plausible but it could be the ultimately last thing the US will do.
On the other hand the US is the only country has that has enough “military muscles” that can deter Israel from doing more stupid things.
Here Crooke’s story confirms the story of “B” that the influence of the West in the Middle East in waning, Russia is winning the war against the Ukraine. Here the EU & Europe are losing that war as well.
I can see that Ursula von der Leyen could lose lose her top EU job before her term is up.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 30 2023 9:33 utc | 226

60 Mark Thomason. Like Ariel Sharon, another Zionist butcher of Palestinians in Sabra and Shatila camps during Israel’s war with Lebanon.

Posted by: Lavieja | Nov 30 2023 9:34 utc | 227

A good summary from Kim Dotcom
Kim Dotcom reposted
red.
@redstreamnet
Henry Kissinger, one of the world’s most notorious war criminals, has finally died. Let’s take a look back and remember him for all the things he did:
https://twitter.com/redstreamnet/status/1730049270328242354

Posted by: Menz | Nov 30 2023 9:50 utc | 228

Collective Punishment
Our enemies the Philistines
As we were taught in Sunday school
Are extras in the battle lines
To die, as we were born to rule
What lovely racists we’ve become
Programmed to hate our nation’s foes
Eurasians and Mohammedans
Can meet the fate our masters chose
The monstrous industry of war
Directs the western heads of state
To where the high explosives roar
To maim, bereave, decapitate
The talking heads can flap their jowls
And fill the hours on CNN
Exhort us all with dead-face scowls
On our crusade to Bethlehem
Strausse’s secret spreads in whispers
Humans never can be equal
No ceasefires but Zuklon crystals
Let our engines be our sequel
We are the essential nation
Pure supremacy’s our totem
Sweet self-righteous affectation
Foreheads like a camel’s scrotum
White is right and might and height
In Europe’s garden of the gods
At Ragnarok we seize our right
To harvest souls and cocoa pods
Aircraft carriers parading
Empire power to all our foes
Who as humans masquerading
Are consumed in Gaza’s woes
Queen Victoria’s amusement
Black Mass Joe the Totenkopf
Spin a mythical illusion
Of the ruled and rulers of
From their minuscule mind-bubble
Black and whitest certainty
Suck and crush us all to Anglo
Saxon singularity
The man’s too big, the man’s too strong
Till time sweeps all his works away
And light exposes right as wrong
And all his monuments decay
The peoples dance, the peoples sing
Unbroken continuity
Of common joy and suffering
The language of eternity

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Nov 30 2023 9:58 utc | 229

Of course anyone who goes against Israel risks his life, and then he lived in Lebanon
Posted by: laguerre | Nov 30 2023 8:38 utc | 222
Um, he was working ON BEHALF of Israel with MI6 in negotiating with Palestinians. You don’t know much about Lebannon either clearly. The attacks by Israel on Lebanon are concentrated in certain areas and you can be sure Crook was not living in those areas.
I repeat, my issue is not with 99% of what Crook says which is straight up analysis and blindingly obvious to anyone. Of course the influence of the UK/ EU is waning. We can see that the EU is no longer involved in negotiations.
Arch Bungle: Believe you want. Your opinions appear naive and simplistic to me. Unlike you, I don’t “convert” to causes. I evaluate the (imperfect= information I have at my disposal; I relate it to my own sense of justice and values. If the information changes, my opinions may change.
ps: I live in a penthouse.

Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 10:05 utc | 230

This is 3 months old if you can find anything newer regarding them . They seem to be the public face of the flotilla.although the link above at Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Nov 30 2023 9:28 utc | 225 throws the proxy Russian element into it. Who knows Turkey is a tide that goes in and out. https://youtu.be/rXK_PeCFuP8?si=WNk79urmvtNi3gH4

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 30 2023 10:52 utc | 231

Angelo Giuliano
@angeloinchina
🔴 The dean of the rabbinical court of the colony of Ashdod, the extremist Zionist rabbi Elimelech Wasserman who openly advocated the extermination of the Palestinians and fervent supporter of “Greater Israel” was killed today in a shooting in Jerusalem. (Maariv)
Rest in Hell. I doubt God will accept that you manipulated the scriptures to advocate the killing of other fellow human beings.
https://twitter.com/angeloinchina/status/1730209186884321425

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 30 2023 13:02 utc | 232

We all know and we need to fearlessly state it.
Zionism is the root of all European Imperialism.
USA is a Zionist created colony that was planned to take over from the European Nationals as a Chimera Nation of all the predecessor colonialists.
It was set up as such and only objected to by the German King of England!
Israel was finally given birth by its bastard father and mothers USA, having been conceived by the Zionist British Imperialists since at least the 1800’s if not before.
They all share the common trait of dispossessing Natives and Exterminating them.
None of that has anything to do with the common man’s religions. Except as it is used by the Priest class to whip the ordinary folk to extraordinary madness, murder and evil by dehumanising anybody not of their religion.
It’s a very old game of control of the masses that.
This certainly has nothing to do with ordinary folks ethnojudaism and practices.
As testified by many ethno jaudaists who stand against Zionism and the illegal Apartheid Entity supposedly created in the name of their religion!
The Collective Waste naked emperors needed Palestinian innocents blood and terror and final displacement to divert from their failure of using ukranians to ‘Finally’ takedown Russia. Another Grand Failure to join Napoleon, the British , German and the Cold War.
Now they need to lick their wounds and try again in another generation as they have done for centuries.
It ain’t just the US elections they are worried about , Biden won’t stand anyway for medical reasons or death! Hoping for a sympathy vote for some Democrat. There aren’t enough US Muslims to make the difference across all the states anyway, this is just for show to the Arab and Asian Muslims. Postal Votes will yet again dominate and traduce all genuine votes.
The RoW including the massive Global South has stood up collectively from its slave mentality of centuries and is looking the Massas in their Eyes – that is the shiver of terror running through the Naked Emperors and their ultimate and Always Owners – The Zionists of Old. The King Makers. The Empire builders.
OPEC+ is not taking any shit. The BRI is building. SCO is flexing its military muscles.
See the German President left waiting at the red carpet in the UAE. See Macaroon has disappeared from the news as he presides over the final death of the French Imperial despotism in Africa. See as the Japanese and South Koreans finally realise they don’t have to be occupied vassals of Europe/US and stand up with the other slaves who they have been party to subjugating as the House Slaves.
The US government just voted to equate Anti Zionism with Anti Semitism unanimously- that is all one needs to know about how US ‘citizens’ views are not represented by their elected legislators. It copies the absurd UN votes against the Illegal Apartheid existence.
They need to listen and get out of their illegal colonial occupation- the Last Zionist Imperial colony. The US they can keep – it’s too late for their Natives who are now just a diminishing memory – even lauded by their exterminators!
Being anti fascist, anti apartheid, anti Zionist and against the illegal, immoral existence of the fascist apartheid illegal colony Israel planted in the Semitic Peoples homeland Palestine in the Levant is not judaeophobia.
No matter how much the bought legislators insist Orwellianiary that we must not believe our eyes only their edicts.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 30 2023 13:45 utc | 233

Lavrov’s Dog @ 208.
LD disagrees with Ed:
“Can there really be a “moderate” Zionist? Considering that their core belief is based on the removal of all Palestinians from “the lands of Iseral,” I doubt it:
@ Ed | Nov 30 2023 0:05 utc | 178″
Ed has this right. Removal of all “Arabs” and other goyim from Eretz Israel is a core belief and goal of Zionists.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 30 2023 14:16 utc | 234

@ pq | Nov 30 2023 8:34 utc | 221
Thanks for the clarification explanations and info. I get it now. Cheers.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 30 2023 14:19 utc | 235

Col. Larry Wilkerson (Ret.)
“… let me let me preface these remarks with I never never ever believe Israeli figures. I’ve been in the government too long to know that the Israelis are patent Liars. In their
intelligence community, in their propaganda Community certainly, and in their leadership they are inveterate Liars. Llet me say that again: they are Liars! So you can’t believe anything that
comes out of Jerusalem it’s all propaganda ….”
(smile) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtJK-Xatzyk
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@ Jane | Nov 30 2023 14:16 utc | 234
Well I’m sorry but the factual evidence does not support that view. And that’s evidence provided by Jewish people, secular objective scholars and historians, and Zionists themselves. I provided a cpl short quotes in support of my comments and the links that then go to other links but you’re under no obligation to look. All Zionists don’t hold the exact same views and opinions as each other. The same as Jewish people don’t all believe the same things. Sorry, but that’s just the way it is, but you’re free to believe whatever you want.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 30 2023 14:31 utc | 236

And now we have this from the Israeli magazine 927.com: ‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/

Posted by: David Hart | Nov 30 2023 14:51 utc | 237

” james | Nov 29 2023 20:03 utc | 125
There are all kinds of jews in the Diaspora james….
Some say they are atheists but I’m not sure how they manage that.”
Posted by: dh | Nov 29 2023 20:31 utc | 133
Some say they are religious but I’m not sure how they manage that either.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Nov 30 2023 15:02 utc | 238

And now we have this from the Israeli magazine 927.com: ‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
https://www.972mag.com/mass-assassination-factory-israel-calculated-bombing-gaza/
Posted by: David Hart | Nov 30 2023 14:51 utc | 237
Thank you for that. They really have gone mad. Lost their marbles. Unhinged and un-moored. Rudderless. Such avid documentation of their own war crimes.
Today the truce or whatever was extended another day, and Hamas claims responsibility for an attack in Jerusalem that killed three and wounded six, besides the two gunmen. Nuttyahoo needs to war to go on, but I don’t think he is going to get it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2023 15:34 utc | 239

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2023 15:34 utc | 239
“Such avid documentation of their own war crimes.”
another point of comparison with the Nazis.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 30 2023 15:39 utc | 240

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/g7-asks-ansarallah-to-end-threat-to-global-shipping
In breaking news, g7 wakes up from deep slumber and asks Ansarallah to stop playing with boats. Genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleaning and pogroms in the West Bank are of no concern.

Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 15:39 utc | 241

@ RB | Nov 30 2023 4:09 utc | 204
thanks rb… there is a very interesting book ‘the invention of the jewish people’ that i recommend.. it backs up the results of the dna tests of your wife..
@ Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 30 2023 4:47 utc | 206
thanks lavrov’s dog.. we see this much the same way..

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2023 15:49 utc | 242

In breaking news, g7 wakes up from deep slumber and asks Ansarallah to stop playing with boats. Genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleaning and pogroms in the West Bank are of no concern.
Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 15:39 utc | 241
Yeah, I thought that would get their attention. The thing is I don’t think they can do much to AnsarAllah at this point, already shot their wad and lost anyway, all the pompous talk aside.
Interesting times.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2023 15:51 utc | 243

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 30 2023 14:31 utc | 236
well Christian Zionists think most jews are eventually going to hell after Christ returns, while Jewish Zionists envision something like a thousand year reich after Greater Israel is realized. talk about odd bedfellows. but both are united in fervent support of the genocide.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 30 2023 15:54 utc | 244

“Such avid documentation of their own war crimes.”
another point of comparison with the Nazis.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Nov 30 2023 15:39 utc | 240
Very like. This sort of thing always winds up in the same sort of place. Uncle Sugar has been heading in the same direction for some time now. Has much to do with our decline. Morons think they can control everything.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2023 16:01 utc | 245

g7 wakes up from deep slumber and asks Ansarallah to stop playing with boats.

Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 15:39 utc | 241
hmmm, looks like Ansarallah has better things to do then listening to the g7 gang … check yourself!
https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1729065534770315749
If you understand Arabic, here your standup comedy of the day, if you don’t, just fast forward to 05:01” and watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuXwpgxua5k

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 30 2023 16:31 utc | 246

Reposting here, since more related to the thread, my response at one comment by Willian Gruff…
@Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 30 2023 12:02 utc | 102
And how to explain Putin´s really kind and friend like condolences message to his widow?
There are two things that haunt me and contradict in my reasoning that Putin, as he stated in the “All Russian People Congress”, asures “he is not only liberating Russia, but the whole world”…One is his continuos praising of Kissinger, to the extent of having awarded him even a prize of the Russian Academy of Sciences; the other is that he has trusted the whole development of the digital web which will enclose the Russian people in a panopticon of full vigilance to a former Davos prominent member, Herman Greff….
Kissinger asured, through magnicide, and installing foreign agents in charge after Franco´s death, getting with US military bases in Spanish soil, that Spain would never know “democracy”, less “socialism”, nor anything remotely similar in its whole life, but instead a corporatocracy which has brought us here and indebted such a rich country to estratospheric limits so that to keep it under the US Corporation´s boot, walking back through all these decades, from one of the msot developed countries to underdevelopment and a full colony state.
The same has been done to the whole HispanAmerica, where tones of blood, competing with the ongoing carnage in Palestine, were spilled for this same outcome.
Why Putin finds all this worthy of praise, while aspiring to become the best partner of whole HispanAmerica, is beyond me, unless what some fear and suspect, that he is all the way collaboraring with the Davos´ NWO, is true.
This is how the #USA threatened SPAIN with taking the #CANARY ISLANDS from us if we did not join #NATO [The #CIA in Spain I]
https://youtu.be/tk3vlueyRpQ?si=MCVp89Q5mfQJtSRD
King #JUANCARLOS of #BORBÓN was a US SPY – [The CIA in Spain II]
https://youtu.be/SQ_Sk8jHEYo?si=w19ZIKYbJFw6rLBT
The TRUTH about the Attack against #CARRREROBLANCO
https://youtu.be/Iu82pc4Y-rI?si=xZZ7WTnicM6JnLMG

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 30 2023 16:44 utc | 247

If you understand Arabic, here your standup comedy of the day, if you don’t, just fast forward to 05:01” and watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuXwpgxua5k
Posted by: Framarz | Nov 30 2023 16:31 utc | 246
That’s hilarous, and I don’t know any Arabic.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2023 16:46 utc | 248

Western system policies like abortion and depopulation are a Kissinger work, he promoted the one child policy ion China and abortion laws.
Both are not the work of the “woke” people, they just embraced them by pushing for bad understood irrational ecologism.
Contrary to what most of the people think, the WEF was not founded by Klaus Schwab, but by Kissinger.
He was the architect of the antihuman and globalist UN 2030 Agenda through which we are sleep walking towards a dsytopian regressieve world, which no country in the wordl oppose, not even Russia….
I hade never taken the trouble to look for how Kissinger´s wife looks like, but some guys in TG posted some photographs pointing at that “she” is highly likely a man…
Now, how all this fits with all what Putin has declared in the “All Russian Peoples Congress” is his aim to pursue, that is, to promote traditional family and families with numerous children, forbid LGTBQ+ promotion in Russia, denounce genocide and intromission in other countries´internal affairs…( of which his so admired Kissinger was the world champion…)?

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 30 2023 16:58 utc | 249

james | Nov 30 2023 2:33 utc | 194
*** let me ask you this… what religion would think some specific group of people are chosen and all the rest aren’t? ***
Quite logical for a monotheist religious group to imagine that their own lot are superior to everyone else — but absolutely batshit crazy for any of the “everyone else” to agree that the monotheist lot are superior to themselves.
Yet when it comes to some “Christian” religious groups and Jews/Zionists, that is exactly what happens.
These “Christians” fervently adhere to a deity who, according to them, much prefers someone else.
Completely unhinged reasoning — which the allegedly preferred group then exploits.
And all based on a compendium of somewhat selectively mangled myths.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2023 17:24 utc | 250

@ Cynic | Nov 30 2023 17:24 utc | 249
lol… hey – we all love myths, just not the mangled ones, lol.. i think this concept of ‘the chosen ones’ is a part of the crux of the matter… anyone who thinks that is indeed batshit crazy as you say… they just haven’t thought it out.. they would make good candidates for living in an altered universe, or smoking a lot of crack, or – fill in the blanks..

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2023 17:38 utc | 251

you’re free to believe whatever you want.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 30 2023 14:31 utc | 236
+++++++++++++
Yeah, and so are you.
It doesn’t matter what a few “scholars” believe or want, nor even what some Jews believe or want.
What counts is the actions of the Zionists who are creating “Zion” on the ground and the basis for their actions and agenda since the very beginning. Since well before WW1.
What is not clear about “A land without a people for a people without a land.”
In the end they drag the rest of the Jews down the genocidal drain with them proclaiming that they need a “refuge” just for Jews. Just the right kind of Jews, of course.
You may not know the half of the actual history.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 30 2023 17:43 utc | 252

Mr. Market | Nov 30 2023 9:33 utc | 226
*** I can see that Ursula von der Leyen could lose lose her top EU job before her term is up.***
She may have been intended for next Secretary General of NATO, hence Stoltenberg staying on longer till her term of office at the EU expired. But given her total incompetence and the resurection of David Cameron, perhaps they’ve given up on her.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 30 2023 17:47 utc | 253

[Indeed. However, it’s decent to remember that LBJ grew-up quite poor, and I believe he was sincere about the “great society” plan.]

Posted by: Ben Trovata | Nov 30 2023 17:59 utc | 254

james | Nov 30 2023 17:38 utc | 251
Speaking as one of Yahweh’s rejects I have to agree.

Posted by: dh | Nov 30 2023 18:05 utc | 255

@ dh | Nov 30 2023 18:05 utc | 255
lol… welcome to the club!

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2023 18:07 utc | 256

“The text of Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amirabdollahians speech was scheduled to be read out by the foreign minister at Wednesday’s meeting of the United Nations Security Council but as the United States delayed in issuing visas for the Iranian delegation it was not possible for the delegation to attend the event. So the speech will be delivered by the representative of the Islamic Republic of Iran in New York for the United Nations’ record.”
https://en.mfa.ir/portal/NewsView/735221
” … Murdering and exterminating the people of Palestine should not become normalized. This is a legal and moral obligation and duty in accordance with the joint article one of the four Geneva conventions of 1949 and the Genocide Convention of 1948. Perpetrators must not be allowed to play the victim and evade accountability and responsibility before the international community and keep on genociding the Palestinian nation by resorting to and misusing the crimes committed by others decades ago in another continent against the Jews and by accusing critics of anti-Semitism. The legitimate and legal resistance of the Palestinian nation to achieve the right to self-determination as well as defending human rights and human dignity of Palestinians are an entitlement admitted in the UN Charter and international law. And no person, state or organization cannot depose Palestinian of such an entitlement. Branding the legitimate struggle of the people of Palestine for their self-determination right as terrorism is the blatant and deliberate violation of the UN Charter and the peremptory norms of international law and is Immoral and reprehensible. …”

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 30 2023 18:20 utc | 257

james Nov 30 2023 18:07 utc | 256
Yahweh’s Rejects would be a good name for a band. I dare you.

Posted by: dh | Nov 30 2023 18:25 utc | 258

@ dh… kid you not… i have too many jewish musician friends who i play with often.. not sure they would go along with it! meeting with a few of them later today, but yes – i like the name for a contemporary band..

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2023 18:35 utc | 259

Wilkerson …I never never ever believe Israeli figures
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 30 2023 14:31 utc | 236
Israeli magazine 927.com: ‘A mass assassination factory’
David Hart | Nov 30 2023 14:51 utc | 237
Such avid documentation of their own war crimes.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 30 2023 15:34 utc | 239
I heard Wilkerson’s clinical opinion with some satisfaction. Then, I read +927’s article which links to an unbelievably vivid 12 pp document by NGO Physicians for Human Rights Israel, “Sexual & Gender-based Violence as a Weapon of War During the October7, 2023 Hamas Attacks“. Beyond the disclaimer pp 2-3 and Harvard Medical School imprimatur (fn.3)

…It is important to note that this position paper[2] does not attempt or aim to meet legal thresholds. Past experience has shown that survivors of sexual assault are only able to speak, if ever, after sufficient time has passed. As a human rights organization, our role is to validate and voice the experiences of those who endured sexual and gender-based violence—even if they are no longer here to do so themselves. Therefore, this document cautiously outlines the currently available information while citing all sources used and working with the understanding that we still do not possess a complete account of the events. The information published to date is only partial, both due to a lack of systematic analysis of the findings for forensic evidence of sexual abuse and due to the conditions of some of the victims’ bodies, their quantity, and the urgency of identifying and evaluating them—sometimes under fire….

the authors proceed to air “accumulating accounts of sexual violence” collected from Israeli broadcasters, web influencers, military and emergency personnel, wire surveillance, eyewitness, and, I suspect, porn fans one month after the attacks. An exemplary specimen from Israel’s Civil Archive for the Documentation of Crimes Committed Against Women by Hamas that would recall the ICC’s 1M missing names of Ukrainian children is this:

…An eyewitness described seeing a woman being raped by several Hamas militants who pulled her hair while taking turns raping her. One of them cut off her breasts, and the other played with them like they were toys. The last Hamas militant to rape her proceeded to shoot her in the head…

I pause to ask myself, “SELF, am I afflicted with ‘confirmation bias’?” SELF replies, “I think not.”

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 30 2023 19:24 utc | 260

But if/when Israel starts one more war in the Middle East (hint, hint) then how is the US going to prevent spreading of more wars in the Middle East ? And what if/when all arabs rise up to against their own government(s) then what is the US going to do ? Bomb the crap out of the Middle East ?
A good example of how a population can change history is the islamic revolution in Persia/Iran in 1979, when the islamic mullahs (e.g. Khomeini) took over from the Sjah of Persia.
Pass me the popcorn ……………………..

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 30 2023 20:34 utc | 261

If you understand Arabic, here your standup comedy of the day, if you don’t, just fast forward to 05:01” and watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuXwpgxua5k
Posted by: Framarz | Nov 30 2023 16:31 utc | 246
Hahaha thank. As Scott Ritter says, they are the “wild frat boys” for the moment. It’s not a bad strategy hitting Israel in the pocketbook, the only place they feel pain. As long as the hookah boys stay safe, all is good.
But what is that fish tank swimming pool type thing on the deck?

Posted by: pq | Nov 30 2023 22:25 utc | 262

It’s unfortunate that US foreign policy is always just an extension of domestic politics, but that’s the reality. Biden is being forced. Probably less by the general polling of most democratic potential voters under 50. But the real trouble for him and the Dems are Muslim and Arab voters.
They’re also concentrated in important places. In 2016 Clinton lost Michigan by 10,000 votes. It’s a state where the cities vote blue and the rest votes red. Biden or the generic dem loses too many votes in SE Michigan around detroit and he loses the state. The Arab (many Lebanese) Muslim voting population in the suburbs of Detroit is much, much larger than Clinton’s 2016 margin of defeat. They don’t need to vote GOP, just stay home.

Posted by: Lex | Dec 1 2023 2:04 utc | 263

…An eyewitness described seeing a woman being raped by several Hamas militants who pulled her hair while taking turns raping her. One of them cut off her breasts, and the other played with them like they were toys. The last Hamas militant to rape her proceeded to shoot her in the head…
I pause to ask myself, “SELF, am I afflicted with ‘confirmation bias’?” SELF replies, “I think not.”
Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 30 2023 19:24 utc | 260
As I read this story, I also hear the chorus of beheaded babies: “We did not exist. We did not exist. We….”
The fate of those babies deserves a Congressional investigation. When Biden learned about them, and from whom? And that person, when and from who he/she learned about them?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Dec 1 2023 5:36 utc | 264

An eyewitness described seeing a woman being raped by several Hamas militants who pulled her hair while taking turns raping her. One of them cut off her breasts, and the other played with them like they were toys. The last Hamas militant to rape her proceeded to shoot her in the head…
I pause to ask myself, “SELF, am I afflicted with ‘confirmation bias’?” SELF replies, “I think not.”
Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 30 2023 19:24 utc | 260
Pics or it never happened!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Dec 1 2023 8:32 utc | 265

Pics?
Night of the Living Dead (1968) MEMORABLE QUOTE
Sheriff MCCLELLAND: Well, there’s no problem. If you have a gun, shoot ’em in the head. That’s a sure way to kill ’em. If you don’t, get yourself a club or a torch. Beat ’em or burn ’em. They go up pretty easy.

Posted by: sln2002 | Dec 1 2023 15:37 utc | 266

…An eyewitness described seeing a woman being raped by several Hamas militants who pulled her hair while taking turns raping her. One of them cut off her breasts, and the other played with them like they were toys. The last Hamas militant to rape her proceeded to shoot her in the head…

I pause to ask myself, “SELF, am I afflicted with ‘confirmation bias’?” SELF replies, “I think not.”
Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 30 2023 19:24 utc | 260
You can always spot them by their debased pornographic imaginations. Some ignorant cretin trying to think of the worst thing they can think of.
“Hey guys, lets stop the military raid and rape some of these women for a few hours in the most graphic way we can come up with. We should kill some puppies too. I’m sure nobody will show up to interfere.”
I’m seeing a lot of this sort of made up stories. They have a lot of real news to distract from.
I hear Hezbollah is shooting again up north.

Posted by: Bemildred | Dec 1 2023 15:50 utc | 267

Ghost of Mozgovoy @247: “And how to explain Putin´s really kind and friend like condolences message to his widow?”
Putin is a liberal. I never claimed otherwise. Putin would have happily aligned with the US against China if the Empire would have played nice with Russia. Putin has steered Russia in generally the correct direction, but grudgingly and only after trying to salvage liberalism first.
While I praise Putin’s pragmatism, I will only trust his making the correct decisions so long as the West isn’t giving him room for alternatives.

Posted by: William Gruff | Dec 1 2023 20:01 utc | 268

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 29 2023 19:01 utc | 110
Tony Abbott, likewise.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Dec 2 2023 3:33 utc | 269