Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 29, 2023
On Gaza Biden Has To Climb Down More Than He Already Has

Shortly after Hamas attacked Israel on October 7 the Biden administration argued for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza:

US 'actively working' to establish safe corridor for Gaza civilians: White HouseYeni Safak – Oct 12, 2023

The US is in active talks with Israel and Egypt to establish "safe passage" corridors for civilians in Gaza to flee ongoing Israeli airstrikes, the White House said Wednesday amid an expected ground offensive in the besieged enclave.

"We're actively discussing this with our Israeli and our Egyptian counterparts, we support safe passions for civilians. Civilians are not to blame for what Hamas has done. They didn't do anything wrong," National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters at the White House.

"We are actively working on this with Egyptian and our Israeli counterparts. Civilians are protected under the laws of armed conflict, and they should be given every opportunity to avoid the fighting," he added.

By October 29 Biden was forced to call off those plans.

President Biden @POTUS – 21:23 UTC · Oct 29, 2023

I also spoke with President Abdel Fattah Al-Sisi to share my appreciation for Egypt facilitating the delivery of humanitarian assistance to Gaza.

We reaffirmed our commitment to work together and discussed the importance of protecting civilian lives, respect for international humanitarian law, and ensuring that Palestinians in Gaza are not displaced to Egypt or any other nation.

The U.S. president then started to call for a 'pause' in the fighting. This was seen a rejection of a longer term ceasefire as was demanded by other authorities.

There are now signs that he had to give in to pressure to dump that line too:

Joe Biden @JoeBiden – 22:00 UTC · Nov 28, 2023

Hamas unleashed a terrorist attack because they fear nothing more than Israelis and Palestinians living side by side in peace.

To continue down the path of terror, violence, killing, and war is to give Hamas what they seek.

We can’t do that.

There are two reasons for this retreat. The first is that Hamas has, arguably, won the war:

Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai – 5:45 UTC · Nov 29, 2023

This is how I read it: @Netanyahu is in trouble and can't achieve his objectives. The army is incapable of controlling Gaza without thousands of body bags on both sides.

Biden is bringing the ladder. End of Gaza MILITARY war. Reconstruction war starts.

It is time for Netanyahoo to climb down just as Biden himself has already done.

The second reason for Biden's turn around is the outrage within the Democratic party about his one sided take on the issue:

Just weeks after the start of the Israel-Hamas war, Mr. Biden had invited a small group of prominent Muslim Americans to the White House to discuss Islamophobia in America. The participants were blunt with him, according to four people who were in attendance.

They told him that his embrace of Israel after the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks was seen by many as permission for Israel’s bombing in Gaza. They said the president’s statement casting doubt on the death toll among Palestinians was insulting. And they said the fatal stabbing of a 6-year-old Muslim boy outside Chicago was just one devastating result of the dehumanization of their community.

Keith Ellison, Minnesota’s attorney general, who was also at the meeting, said the war had increased risks for Americans, as well.

“Muslim community leaders told President Biden that the suffering of innocent Gazans trying to survive in extremely difficult circumstances has actually increased the likelihood of Islamophobic attacks in the United States,” he said.

Biden was clearly advised that his stand could cost him the presidency:

As Mr. Biden looks toward the 2024 presidential election, his stance on the war could be significant in a contest that may hinge on swing states such as Georgia and Michigan, whose Muslim and Arab American voters turned out for him three years ago.

Democrats in Congress are, for the very first time, attaching conditions to aid for Israel:

“We want the president to secure express assurances from the Netanyahu government regarding a plan to reduce the unacceptable level of civilian casualties, and we want the Netanyahu coalition to commit to full cooperation with our efforts to provide humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza,” said Senator Chris Van Hollen, the Maryland Democrat leading the effort, referring to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel. “The bottom line is we need those express assurances. How we achieve that is something that we are discussing right now.”

Mr. Van Hollen spearheaded a letter this month to President Biden that was signed by half of the Democratic caucus and raised concerns about whether the weapons provided by the United States would be used in keeping with international law.

Biden's problem now is that Natanyahoo is likely to ignore pressure from the U.S. because he fears for his own political survival:

Some analysts say Israeli domestic pressures will probably prompt Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to revive the invasion sooner rather than later. Delaying it would put Mr. Netanyahu on a collision course with far-right government ministers who grudgingly supported the cease-fire because they were assured that the invasion would continue after only a short truce.

There are of course some measures the U.S. could take to kick Netanyahoo out. As soon as military supplies from the U.S. to Israel stop it will have to end all fighting. In consequence Natanyahoo would be finally kicked out.

But I do not see signs yet that Biden is willing to take that step.

Comments

The Palestians refugees in Gaza should return to their homes in Jaffa, Deir Yassin, and this village;
https://www.plands.org/en/articles-speeches/articles/2019/when-the-denial-bubble-bursts-an-israeli-kibbutz-faces-the-nakba
The longer the Likud delays the higher the reparations payments will be. See this ICJ opinion:
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-178825/
Also read UNSC 2334

Posted by: Exile | Nov 29 2023 18:06 utc | 101

In the Netherlands it seems clear that the Wilders vote is a vote of anger against the EU, rather than on the migrants per se. But you wont read that in the MSM.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 29 2023 18:07 utc | 102

Wiki: Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a white Minneapolis police officer,[51] who pressed his knee to Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds[note 1][52] while Floyd was handcuffed face down in the street
Floyd was a drug addicted middle aged fat man, with clogged arteries, and in the throes of dying from a self inflicted a Fentanyl overdose. The boot on his neck as you say had absolutely nothing to do with his death. The policeman convicted in his death is innocent. He is now Just one more political prisoner. Golddigger | Nov 29 2023 16:34 utc
Wiki: Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a white Minneapolis police officer,[51] who pressed his knee to Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds[note 1][52] while Floyd was handcuffed face down in the street
Chavin was convicted a manslaughter, probably under this definition: “there is the form of involuntary manslaughter which is an unintentional homicide that was committed in a criminally negligent manner.” Floyd was handcuffed and placed in the rear of police van, then was dragged out and three policemen were sitting on him for a long time. This cannot be explained without a malicious intention like inflicting pain or humiliation — AFTER he was successfully handcuffed and detained. He was not a flight risk, he was not “disobeying instructions”. It does not matter that a more healthy person could withstand this pain.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 29 2023 18:07 utc | 103

. zionism is political.. judaism is religious…
Posted by: james | Nov 29 2023 18:02 utc | 98
Maybe but there is considerable overlap. Perhaps we should think in terms of moderates and extremists.

Posted by: dh | Nov 29 2023 18:12 utc | 104

Since the time when the UN was finally filled-out with the decolonized nations in the mid-1960s, the Zionists have never been favored by global opinion. Initially, that global opinion was weak but has grown increasingly stronger every year since. It’s now reached the point where it has power greater than that of the Outlaw US Empire, particularly on moral issues of which the Zionist Project is #1. Xi’s Five Musts have weight because 150 other nations agree. Zakharova had some interesting things to say regarding Biden’s op/ed that I’ll present in an article. “Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov’s interview with MIC Izvestia on Russia/NATO Relations”, didn’t touch on Palestine but did on the bigger conflict between NATO and Russia where Russia has leverage, which is another factor in all this. The Zionists and the Empire are geoeconomically dependent on the rest of the world that’s seething mad at both and will continue to face that wrath until a solution is put into place and secured.
The Big Picture’s influence is greater than many conceive. Yesterday’s UNGA vote is just one manifestation with more to come. The Outlaw US Empire’s foreign policy goals need help from beyond NATO for them to be attained, so its actions are self-defeating. Big Picture pressure is combining with Domestic pressure to force the Empire to drop its opposition to a Palestinian State. Yes, we’ll hear lots of howling about that from mad Zionists, but they ae merely the pack of dogs yapping as the caravan moves on.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2023 18:19 utc | 105

I fear the fall of Netanyahu will open the door for more radical/right wing israeli politicians to tkae the levers of power in Israel.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 29 2023 18:48 utc | 106

Joe Biden responds to political pressure. 5.2% growth, wages outstripping inflation. Historic low unemployment. Crime at historic lows. Gas adjusted for inflation cheaper than the 50’s and 60’s. American citizenry more engaged in political discourse over human rights than ever before. Times have not been this good for the American working class since Stalin set off his hydrogen bomb. All thanks to Putin.

Posted by: Zargo | Nov 29 2023 18:48 utc | 107

@ bevin 54
“Cecil fucking Rhodes was … devious and reactionary but long dead and without influence.”
Bevin, you disappoint me. Rhodes scholars are very influential. They are hand-picked for their willingness to sell their souls to Albion. There’s a long list of famous powerful former Rhodes scholars, with Bill Clinton probably the best-known.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 29 2023 18:50 utc | 108

Posted by: ld | Nov 29 2023 14:18 utc | 27
One of your best in recent times ld!

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 29 2023 18:51 utc | 109

Posted by: JessDTruth | Nov 29 2023 18:50 utc | 108
And Bob Hawke if memory serves.
There is little Marxist analysis of our current conflicts and one misses the indefatigable vk in this day and age (although I know some of you disliked him). Maybe red-beard can weigh in with a sound historical materialist position on the Gaza-Ukraine nexus? I would offer a world-systems critique but it’s fairly obvious that we’re living through Gramsci’s ‘age of monsters’ (a transition between two phases of historical capitalism), during which the dying sun of US imperialism ejects its final coronal mass into the world—while the US itself mistakes its death-throes as an existential projection of power against those who will roll it into the dustbin of history…

Posted by: Patroklos | Nov 29 2023 19:01 utc | 110

“This is similar to how the Algerian War of Independence brought the settler colony to the attention of the French public, where the French left of the day played a significant role in opposing and delegitimating the settlement…”
Posted by: Cabe | Nov 29 2023 15:50 utc | 56
Your comparison is at least weak and likely quite flawed. You can’t assimilate the French settlers in Algeria with the Israeli settlers, the Chosen Ones, a little bit like those other exceptional people of the US, do you understand? If the only true God is with them, therefore they can’t be wrong whatever they do, right? Thus, the only valid comparison is with the ancient American settlers who genocided the “red skins”. Did they stop the killings or the ethnic cleanings? No.
Now, you begin to understand.

Posted by: jean levant | Nov 29 2023 19:09 utc | 111

Posted by: c1ue | Nov 29 2023 12:07 utc | 4:

However, Alastair Crooke in his latest Judge Napolitano talk noted that the Israeli public is increasingly radicalized also on the side of a “final solution”. If this is true, removing Netayahu will do nothing to change Israel’s trajectory towards an existential fight with the entire Muslim world.

The “entire Muslim world” ony? If Isreal moves onto the “Final Solution”, my opinion is that it will draw the entire RoW to the other side against them, not just acoustically but physically as well. May not be all at once, but certainly well before the “Final Solution” is near completion.
Psychologically, the RoW is not as much in fear of the Empire as was, say a mere 10 years ago. Days of the Empire using Gun Boat diplomacy as its trump card is over! Unless and until the Empire undergoes a complete makeover, such days ain’t coming back ever!!!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 29 2023 19:17 utc | 112

@john, #6:
Agreed!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 29 2023 19:20 utc | 113

While the world’s attention has been focused on Gaza, Israel has been
-laying siege to hospitals in West Bank
-killing almost 300 people since Oct 7. Inclusding almost 60 children. There is video of the 9 year old shot today. There are over 1,000 injured.
-kidnapping 3,300+ new HOSTAGES
– bulldozing roads, power lines and other infrastructure in the West Bank
-bombing some homes daily
-stepping up torture of hostages in detention and not allowing Red Cross in to see them
All this under Palestinian Authority. Why do the EU, US, UN love Palestinian Authority and the unelected Abu Mazen so much? They are basically Israel’s henchmen in the West Bank
In other words as their utter incompetence, cowardliness and barbarism on the ground in Northern Gaza has been exposed for all the world to see, they’ve shifted focus to West Bank.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/israeli-army-labels-jenin-closed-military-zone
The Israeli army designated the occupied West Bank city of Jenin and its refugee camp as a “closed military zone” on 29 November, as another round of brutal overnight raids and heavy clashes extended into the morning.
Local sources say Israeli forces stormed the Jenin refugee camp on Tuesday night, launching a “massive campaign” of arrests across its eastern neighborhood, resulting in the “outbreak of violent confrontations” between troops and resistance fighters. The clashes remained ongoing the following day, and several Palestinians have been injured.
Posted by: pq | Nov 29 2023 14:38 utc | 35
thank you, pg. whole post bears repeating. also add in that more Gazans will now die from diseases combined with the premeditated lack of medicines than have been blown to bits by zionist bombs, and somebody tell me again that the ziofreaks are losing this thing.
I support Hamas and Yemen’s Houthis. Wish I could send them funds.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Nov 29 2023 19:29 utc | 114

Pro-Israel Trolls Mob Social Media
“While it kills thousands of people in Gaza, Israel is spending millions of dollars on its public image on YouTube, Facebook and Instagram, writes Alan MacLeod. The blitz includes an invasion of the Community Notes function on X/Twitter.”
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/29/pro-israel-trolls-mob-social-media/
Plus: News Extra: MoA is patrolled by racist apologists for killer cops!
JessDTruth@108
I am very well aware of the nature of Rhodes scholarships. But they have nothing whatever to do with Rhodes, dead for a long time, whose views are very different from those espoused by the authorities who administer the Scholarships on behalf of imperialism.
Rhodes has become a name bandied about by people who know very little about either him, his place in history or the evolution of the Empire. Milner is another- when it comes to half educated marxists rushing to publish their ideas before they have either finished reading their sources or thought them through ( I am not referring to you) such names, with their instant appeal to anglophobic bigots, save an awful lot of argument. And analysis.
I believe that you understand that imperialism is a much more devioous and slippery enemy than the two dimensional cut out of the Larouchian and sub-Larouchian theorists.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 29 2023 19:32 utc | 115

concluding UNSC presidency of China, NOV 2023
The situation in the Middle East, including the Palestinian question – Security Council, 9489th meeting, 29 Nov hearing, run time 04:13:44
feat. non-member testimony by Sec-Gen (Guterres), Palestine (al Maliki), Israel (mufti expert Erdan), Türkiye (FBegeç)
reference
UN Res. 2712, SC/15496, 15 Nov text
UN Sec-Gen report to UNSC, 29 Nov pending
UNSC presidency
DEC 2023: Ecuador
JAN 2024: FR
JUL 2024: RF
NOV 2024: UK
DEC 2024: US

Posted by: sln2002 | Nov 29 2023 19:35 utc | 116

IMO those who think whatever the bottom 98% of usa citizens want or don’t matters one iota to genocide joe biden and co. are just precious. The president of the usa doesn’t give orders, he takes orders. never from us citizens but always from the zionists who devoured usa government and operate its levers against joe and jane working families to keep us over their barrel. Has everyone seen the videos of pelosi and schumer (to name 2) proudly proclaiming that if the entire usa gov burned to the ground the one thing that would be left intact was its unending loyal support of israel?
here in usa the zio-owned teevee media tells us at commercial breaks that jews are 2% of population but get hundreds of percent of hate so we are to wear the blue square to show support of israel/jews. excuse me while i puke.

Posted by: DuchessAndBob | Nov 29 2023 19:44 utc | 117

Bernhard, you unfortunately took as being real an invented ‘quotation’ that was in an Anadolu Agency Yeni Safakk ‘news’-report which included the faked John Kirby White House statement “We are actively working on this with Egyptian and our Israeli counterparts. Civilians are protected under the laws of armed conflict, and they should be given every opportunity to avoid the fighting.” You will see the full Kirby statement at https://archive.is/Dybd1#selection-2071.0-2075.180 and it excludes that faked added-by-Anodulu passage. So, this article by you includes faked ‘evidence’.

Posted by: Eric Zuesse | Nov 29 2023 19:44 utc | 118

Posted by: expat | Nov 29 2023 13:23 utc | 17:

I think the Biden administration has set a new standard for incompetence and mismanagement of the American Empire.

Incompetence and mismanagement of the American Empire has been the trademark of EVERY presidential administrations since Eisenhower. The notorious deterioration started with Ole Lovable demented Raygun! Yeah, this fellow demented Biden outfit has looked ugly so far, but in comparison I don’t see it setting “new standards” from day to day, event to event.
It’s sad that the population of the Empire has truly been zombified to the point of numbness. They don’t look around and notice how pitiful things are in the governance sector, the legal sector, the media sector, the education sector, recently the entertainment (read: Hollywood/TV-land) sector, and soon they’ll find out that their healthcare sector has been degenerated down to a cookbook mandated practice managed by people weighing 300 pounds and mental capacity of 3rd graders. The healthcare sector decay is not readily quantified nor noticeable, but people will find out how difficult it is to get in touch with healthcare when needed, how they get scammed when they do get it, and how clumsy the billing system has become. Of course, the REAL yardstick is reflected in life-expectancy: Four years of steady decline, as Japan curiously noted recently. The first year of decline they lump it onto COVID. The subsequent three years of equal magnitude they just kept their mouth shut!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 29 2023 19:44 utc | 119

Posted by: bevin | Nov 29 2023 19:32 utc | 115

JessDTruth@108 
I am very well aware of the nature of Rhodes scholarships. But they have nothing whatever to do with Rhodes, dead for a long time, whose views are very different from those espoused by the authorities who administer the Scholarships on behalf of imperialism. 

Rhodes has become a name bandied about by people who know very little about either him, his place in history or the evolution of the Empire. Milner is another- when it comes to half educated marxists rushing to publish their ideas before they have either finished reading their sources or thought them through ( I am not referring to you) such names, with their instant appeal to anglophobic bigots, save an awful lot of argument. And analysis. 

I believe that you understand that imperialism is a much more devious and slippery enemy than the two dimensional cut out of the Larouchian and sub-Larouchian theorists.

After initially reading some of Matthew Ehret-Kump, I gave up. Everything leads back to English banks and to Rhodes. You read one MEK essay, and it makes sense. After you’ve read ten of them, it is pure CT.
Most of what I know about Rhodes and the despicable Milner comes from “The Boer War” by Thomas Packenham (earl of something or another and descendant of one of the players in the BW).
Could you please give me your take on Rhodes and Milner. Were they protagonists or puppets? (Well, obviously Milner started out as a puppet.) What do you make of the CT through-line of Milner to his Round Table to the CFR? Can you drill deeper?

Posted by: john brewster | Nov 29 2023 19:52 utc | 120

For those unfamiliar with CT-land, MEK is a second (or third) generation LaRouchite.

Posted by: john brewster | Nov 29 2023 19:53 utc | 121

I combined and linked the Crooke/Haiphong talk with Zakharova’s Weekly Briefing Palestine related remarks, “Crooke on Context; Zakharova on Biden”. The Crooke talk lasts an hour, so be prepared.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2023 19:55 utc | 122

103 – your details on the George Floyd death are not accurate.
– Cause of the Death – narcotic overdose – fent and heroin
– No cause of Death – restriction of the breathing tube. No physical evidence of compression found in the autopsy by the medical examiner.
– Floyd was never placed in the back of the MPD patrol car. The three officers attempted to place him the back of the patrol car. However Floyd resisted, and could not be inserted into the cage. Remember at 6’4″ 250++ pounds and intoxicated Floyd was no easy task to control. As a result of his violent physical opposition to detention Floyd was taken down on street and subdued, cuffed, and eventually removed by ambulance.
– Chauvin followed all MPD police procedures in dealing with violent resistance.
– Conclusion – autopsy report proves that Chauvin’s restraint hold had nothing to do with Floyd’s death. His trial was a political drumhead show trial, the autopsy evidence should have been more than enough to acquit. The conviction needs to be overturned asap.

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 29 2023 19:57 utc | 123

Posted by: Augusto Pi | Nov 29 2023 15:57 utc | 57
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Bombing children in Gaza is future recruitment for Hamas. Israel cannot win, if they could even define what winning entails, which we both know that they cannot. They cannot exterminate the Arabs, and Biden is starting to back away from their policy of genocide.
Greater Israel is a delusion held by psychopaths. Kind of like a 1,000-year Reich was a delusion held by psychopaths.
Racial supremacy is such a pathetic agenda.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 29 2023 19:59 utc | 124

@ dh | Nov 29 2023 18:12 utc | 104
well sure, but most of these folks aren’t practicing what i would call ‘religion’… it is devoid of religion and more a reflection of fanaticism…

Posted by: james | Nov 29 2023 20:03 utc | 125

Russian relocators to Israel, now re-relocating:

No doubt kitchen talk in Russia runs close to what Solovyov says on air: that Russian cultural leaders who moved abroad in protest at the bestial nature of their homeland, like the celebrated authors Lyudmila Ulitskaya or Vladimir Sorokin, must be eating their words as they witness the utter brutality of the Israeli Defense Forces pursuing their atrocities in Gaza.

https://gilbertdoctorow.com/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 29 2023 20:05 utc | 126

China’s Wang Yi reiterates Xi’s Five Musts prior to UNSC meeting, Global Times reports: “Chinese FM reiterates China’s stance on Palestine-Israel issue before chairing UN high-level meeting.” It’s abundantly clear U=International Pressure isn’t going to abate for either the Zionists or their sponsor the Outlaw US Empire. The report notes the Empire would like to distance itself from the Zionists, but that’s not going to be believed unless some very overt action occurs. As Russia continues to aver, the Outlaw US Empire is at the root of the current conflict which has enabled the Zionist Project. It appears most of the World agrees with that formulation as the evidence supports it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 29 2023 20:10 utc | 127

You know it’s all well and good to read thoroughly the many deep reasonings for strife and misery for the workers/proles as they espouse the many “perfect” explanations for why many are under the thumb, but that’s mostly just wikipedia talking and we all know who writes that crap. I enjoy learning about historiography as to the how’s and why’s that any particular point in history is written like it is. The quote “history is written by the victors” is meaning less and less everyday and more people/scholars are waking up to it.
Ron Unz just put out a deeply researched and sourced expose about “everything you learned about WWII is wrong”. Many accurate and damning books written in the last 150 years have been instantly attacked by Jewish and Zionist organizations and thrown down the memory hole but certain people remember and keep this info active and relevant. Again Henry Makow is a Jew who has denounced his religion and makes his life’s work collecting countless articles and book synopses that were trashed by the usual suspects on his website. It’s all there for anyone to see and read. I double dog dare you to spend a few hours and read some of his articles.

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 29 2023 20:10 utc | 128

too scents | 3
Five Eyes against RoW
posted by: Eric Blair | Nov 29 2023 14:20 utc | 28
George Orwell, I do not see New Zealand in the list. (Israel, the United States, Britain, Micronesia, Palau, Australia, Canada, and the Marshall Islands.)
In the past it has been described as “4 eyes and a wink”.

Posted by: Ново з | Nov 29 2023 20:13 utc | 129

So how does Bibi and his band of IDF war lovers react to the constraints? Even as his coalition regime teeters under the pressure…..stay tuned sports fans……..
Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 29 2023 16:02 utc | 61
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There will be another Hamas attack in which 1000+ Israelis are killed. Maybe also one from West Bank. Then: South Gaza will be next on the menu…

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 29 2023 20:17 utc | 130

Solzhenitsin was a profoundly degenerate and mentally sick person. I could be wrong, I don’t pretend to be an expert on the matter.
Posted by: BM | Nov 29 2023 16:22 utc | 66
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He vilified Russian communists who in turn vilify him.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 29 2023 20:22 utc | 131

@120 John Brewster
As those that read the RIGHT material have known for years, the Rhodes org and it’s “fellows” do nothing else but find different ways to subjugate and trim down the populations of the world in their various Knights of Malta meetings and ALL these plans started over 125 years ago in England. There is where you find all the “captured” aristocracy, pushed/driven to implement said plans. Balfour, Milner, Rhodes and others in their little Friday afternoon roundtables at their local gentleman’s club. These people were coerced and pushed to act by the usual suspects which caused a lot of fucking damage to Europe, the Middle East and the world at large! Their descendants continue this horrible shite to this very day. Btw, I believe you are talking about Lord Kitchener who cut his teeth in South Africa, killing and torturing men, women and children before becoming a General and totally handcuffing British forces in WWI.

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 29 2023 20:27 utc | 132

james | Nov 29 2023 20:03 utc | 125
There are all kinds of jews in the Diaspora james. Some sit around all day reading the Talmud, some are into pornography. Some go to the Temple regularly some go to baseball. Some say they are atheists but I’m not sure how they manage that.

Posted by: dh | Nov 29 2023 20:31 utc | 133

BM | Nov 29 2023 16:22 utc | 66

Woa! Don’t utter the names of Dostoyevski and Solzhenitsin in the same breath! Dostoyevski is deeply revered and respected by Russians, as are other literary greats of Russia, but Solzhenitsin is widely reviled, at least as far as I know. He lied, he wrote what the degenerate “liberal” West wanted to hear. He distorted and perverted perception of his homeland to please the degenerate West and make millions from his books. Solzhenitsin was a profoundly degenerate and mentally sick person. I could be wrong, I don’t pretend to be an expert on the matter.

YES ! Bugg aire Solly ! A veritable lying bag of scum !
Joy and wealth to you ô BM !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 29 2023 20:32 utc | 134

Jared @ 10
“Offering” Palestinians a “safe haven” instead of stopping the genocide in their own home territory is the essence of ethnic cleansing.
The Palestinians know this.
The Zionists have made an art of guaranteeing any Jews a home in Palestine while nixxing any right of return whatsoever to Palestinians born in Palestine, expelled illegally and violently, and their descendants. Any humanitarian corridors should be for Jews to leave Palestine.
The discussion of “humanitarian corridors” etc. is gaslighting.
The Zionists must be forced to turn the lights back on—that is, food, electricity, water. And cease bombing any and all civilian infrastructure.
The “We must eradicate Hamas” line is shopworn.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 29 2023 20:37 utc | 135

Max Blumenthal
@MaxBlumenthal
The Israeli govt has imposed strict rules on freed Israelis, closely monitoring or muzzling them entirely
Those released from Hamas custody “are expected to receive close supervision, and they will be instructed on what to tell the media and what not” https://thegrayzone.com/2023/11/27/israeli-tank-orders-fire-kibbutz/
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1729884663760749035

Posted by: Menz | Nov 29 2023 20:39 utc | 136

Norwegian | Nov 29 2023 16:37 utc | 70

@Augusto Pi | Nov 29 2023 15:57 utc | 57
You’d thik those Hamas bastards will learn. The problem is that these people are so blinded by hatred they never learn, so the Elon Musk recipe must be applied to them as thoroughly as Uncle Sam allows.
Look at what you are writing. It is you who are blinded by hatred.

‘Kin right mate !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Nov 29 2023 20:41 utc | 137

I am going to touch two minor issues.
1. Why relocation of Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group is a sign of deescalation.
2. The narrative about Muslim brotherhood and the “impact of Arab street”
1. The established war game scenario of Axis of Resistance in an “All Out” option (we are talking about public available documents and not any military secrets) says that Zionist Air Force, IAF, can only take off once. It means in the early stage of an “All Out” every Zionist airbase is wiped out of the map. Zionist pilots would have no possibility for a second take off.
Two US Carrier Strike Groups near the coast of Palestine would allow IAF almost nonstop landing and take off, thus it was an obstacle, an effective deterrence factor. Now we have Gerald Ford CSG in Eastern Mediterranean Sea but Eisenhower CSG inside Persian Golf and not available for IAF.
https://news.usni.org/2023/11/27/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-nov-27-2023
I have in another comment mentioned what a US CSG inside Persian Golf means and am not going to repeat myself.
2. October 7 operation calculated with the fact that the only military force backing Palestinians would be the Axis of Resistance. I believe they had calculated with much more support then currently directed to them but that is another story. So, Hamas attack Zionist Apartheid regime, Arab vassals (Sunni-muslims) and Turkey (Sunni-muslims) do the lip service game but Axis of Resistance (Shia-muslims) support.
Shia Hezbollah start daily attacks in Northern borders of occupied Palestine and pay with 80+ martyrs, Shia-Alavi Syrians and Shia Iraki raid US bases in the region more then 70 times pay with 20+ martyrs, Shia Huthis attack the strategic port of Eilat, capture a Zionist transport ship and set another on fire.
Now you put yourself in the head of masses in the “Arab Street”. Do you really think that MB would do such a huge favour to the Axis of Resistance, revive the spirit of Karbala, and start a Shia-convertion wave in Sunni countries?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4L5PYp9IgE

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 29 2023 20:41 utc | 138

Who studies Israels history will see that it has many time committed crimes like it is now committing in the Gaza. No doubt Netanyahu is betting that after some time the world will forget and accept the newly created facts on the ground.
I hope that the world will finally accept that Israel is under a kind of apartheid. Under such an unjust system periodic violence is unavoidable.

Posted by: Wim | Nov 29 2023 20:54 utc | 139

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 29 2023 18:07 utc | 103
Wiki no good
Your versions of the story inaccurate.
Do more research.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 29 2023 20:55 utc | 140

The obstacle is not Israel. The obstacle is the United States.
Posted by: JoeSixPack | Nov 29 2023 15:39 utc | 50
++++++++++++++++
Right.
The USA could end this with one phone call. This has been pointed out numerous times.
The fact that this “cannot” happen is a fair indication of the depth of infiltration and corruption of the American political system by Zionists and the obedience to and acceptance of foreign interests by of many Jewish Americans. They are all part of the the problem.

Posted by: Jane | Nov 29 2023 21:08 utc | 141

I find this article by Hanin Majadli on haaretz a worthwhile read:
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2023-11-28/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israel-cannot-blame-antisemitism-alone-for-global-condemnation/0000018c-127f-dd2e-a5ae-d37f2f890000
To sum it up the way I understood it, it’s a warning that many in israel have been in their own bubble of thinking for too long. And that the shield of calling criticism of everything israel anti-semitic is grinding thin in the age of internet and social media.

Posted by: Shakma | Nov 29 2023 21:11 utc | 142

@140 Scorpion
Good call man.

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 29 2023 21:16 utc | 143

@139 Wim
On a wim and a prayer…
Put the crack pipe down dude, you are NOT thinking straight!

Posted by: bisfugged | Nov 29 2023 21:18 utc | 144

@Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 29 2023 18:07 utc | 103
Thankyou for some rationality with respect to the Floyd case. The great problem in many countries is the ability of the authorities (together with the usual Trotskyist “splitism” tendency) to destroy any real old-style left-wing parties, with much of what would previously be left-wing activities redirected into the dead ends of class-blind post-materialism, intersectionality, identity etc. Then on top of that the direct actions to undermine and destroy any successful left-wing leaders (e.g. Corbyn). So the “anti-establishment” right-wing ends up being the only alternative to the “system” for working people, bringing with it all the racism, authoritarianism, misandry, and blame the victim worship the abuser, that is its usual stock in trade. AND its worship of Zionism through such things as the Scofield bible.
The right-wing parties elected in Europe may help end the war in Ukraine, but they certainly will not end the hatred of Muslims and the love of Zionism.
A POWERFUL stand with Israel from Dutch politician Geert Wilders
Also, of course the Jewish wanabee Milei
Argentina’s President Javier Milei embraces Israel, Judaism
The same within the US, where so many of the elite are directly connected to Zionism (Trump and his son-in-law, Biden with his daughters-in-law and son-in-law, and Harris with her Jewish husband), are believers in the Scofield heresy (still 25%, and higher in the older generations and among politicians and the military). If Biden backs off support for Israel he is open to being attacked by an uber-Zionist Trump who would reinforce his base while pulling away Zionist Democrats, if he sticks with it he loses the younger generation of Democratic voters; either way we get a Trump Presidency or perhaps even a Jewish Ivanka Presidency if Trump dies (or a Nicki Haley uber Zionist neocon one).
Ivanka Trump’s Daughter Arabella Looks So Grown Up In Bat Mitzvah Pics
If Biden steps down we get Gavin Newsom, who owes his business and political success to family friend and billionaire Gordon Getty (yes that Getty family) and also political success to the king of wheeler dealing and corruption Willie Brown (as does Kamala Harris). Three of Newsom’s companies were Silicon Valley bank clients and thus benefitted from the Fed bailout. Newsom’s aunt was also married to Pelosi’s husband’s brother! His wife was a Hollywood actress with lots of Hollywood contacts, and her sister is married to a Jew.
Paying his respects to the Zionist power-brokers:
Gov. Newsom makes surprise visit to Israel
He even lied in saying that he had seen the mythical Hamas “beheading” video. California has the second-highest Jewish population in the US, including quite a few very rich ones that donate to the Democratic Party and AIPAC. He certainly did not speak to any representatives of Hamas or visit the destruction in Gaza.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom said Monday that his visit to Israel over the weekend strengthened his sympathy for Israelis reeling from Hamas’ attacks earlier this month.
“It was at a deeper emotional level, just the trauma and the experience,” he told reporters in Hong Kong, where he arrived Sunday, in his first public remarks since his visit. “It allows me to absorb what’s happening there very differently now. It’s not an intellectual exercise.”

The Democratic governor met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli President Isaac Herzog, other top Israeli officials and survivors of the Oct. 7 attacks during a 10-hour stop in Tel Aviv on Friday on his way to China for a weeklong trip on climate policy.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/23/newsom-israel-hamas-war-not-intellectual-any-longer-00122967

Posted by: Roger | Nov 29 2023 21:33 utc | 145

bevin @ 115
” But they have nothing whatever to do with Rhodes, dead for a long time, whose views are very different from those espoused by the authorities who administer the Scholarships on behalf of imperialism. ”
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Hmm. What are the views of Rhodes and what are the views of those who choose contemporary Rhodes scholars?
Rhodes was pretty clear that the UK and the USA should rule the world, and Rhodes scholars should be picked who will further this goal.
Can you tell me in what ways the current Rhodes panel differs from Rhodes? Aren’t they legally bound to carry out Rhodes’s instructions in choosing the scholars that the Rhodes legacy funds?
See
https://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/about/trustees-governance-financial-statements/
Here is Rhodes’s will:
https://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/media/1141/willandcodicils.pdf

Posted by: Jane | Nov 29 2023 21:34 utc | 146

In response to:
“Bernhard, you unfortunately took as being real an invented ‘quotation’ that was in an Anadolu Agency Yeni Safakk ‘news’-report which included the faked John Kirby White House statement “We are actively working on this with Egyptian and our Israeli counterparts. Civilians are protected under the laws of armed conflict, and they should be given every opportunity to avoid the fighting.” You will see the full Kirby statement at https://archive.is/Dybd1#selection-2071.0-2075.180 and it excludes that faked added-by-Anodulu passage. So, this article by you includes faked ‘evidence’.
Posted by: Eric Zuesse | Nov 29 2023 19:44 utc | 118″
Nice try, Mr. Zuesse (i doubt you are really Mr. Zuesse)
The Quotations are correct, both from the News-Outlet and from b.
Yor have to read the press briefing from October 11, as correct statet from Yeni Safak (“the White House said Wednesday”)! See there:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/10/11/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-20/
It is nearly at the beginning.
Stop to misleading us.

Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Nov 29 2023 21:42 utc | 147

Jared @ 8 and elsewhere:
The issue is that the Palestinians are not being given a choice whether to stay or to leave.
They are being forced to leave so that their lands can be usurped by the Zionist state. Their homes, schools, places of worship and other buildings will be razed and the entire physical landscape will be reshaped and renamed.
Should any Palestinians return to these lands, they will not recognise them as their historical homelands.
————-
You also need to be very careful with whatever online or other news media you read. Most mainstream news media favour Israel’s claim that the Palestinians have a choice to leave or not to leave, while leaving out the historical context in which, since 1948, Israel has continually encroached on and taken over Palestinian-owned lands with the connivance of the US and its allies. The news media bias arises in part because many mainstream news media outlets are owned or run by people either with pro-Zionist Jewish or Christian backgrounds or with business interests in Israel and surrounding areas.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 29 2023 21:48 utc | 148

Now you put yourself in the head of masses in the “Arab Street”. Do you really think that MB would do such a huge favour to the Axis of Resistance, revive the spirit of Karbala, and start a Shia-convertion wave in Sunni countries?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4L5PYp9IgE
Posted by: Framarz | Nov 29 2023 20:41 utc | 138
That is a very powerful argument and one that to me puts the coup de grace to the nonsense some conspiracy nuts have been spouting about the Muslim brotherhood pulling the strings behind this entire outbreak.
Every single middle eastern conflict since at least 2001 has put the Shia in a good light while exposing Sunni Muslim leaders, and by extension Sunni institutions, as willing puppets of the West at best and malevolent actors at worst (daesh).
I can’t see how any of the Palestinian flare ups have ever shown the m.b in a good light as the majority of the RoW looks to Shia groups like Hezbollah to help in times like those.
By now the Muslim Brotherhood might have already reached an accord with the Sunni leadership of the Arab world and be working against the interests of Shia-based movements …
Surely young Sunni men with red blood in their veins must look at their Shia counterparts and feel neutered by comparison? Neutered by their denomination, that is.
(And yet conversion to Shi’ism, for a Sunni, is a death sentence in most middle eastern societies.)
Perhaps this is the reason groups like daesh are overwhelmingly if not exclusively Sunni?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2023 21:52 utc | 149

@Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 29 2023 20:22 utc | 131

He [Solzhenitsyn] vilified Russian communists who in turn vilify him.

The opening up of the Soviet archives showed that the “Gulag Archipelago” was more fiction than fact. Putin has embraced him because his philosophy supported a conservative Russia standing against a liberal West. Solzhenitsyn also provided a very biased rosy picture of Tsarist Russia, which aligns with much of the propaganda that Putin has wrapped himself in.
“Solzhenitsyn warned that a Russia free of Communism would not become Western. Russia would continue to oppose liberalism, and pursue geopolitical ambitions that would bring it into conflict with other powers.”
“Indeed, the problem with Communism was that it, too, was a cosmopolitan ideology with ambitions for remaking the world, destroying Russia’s autonomous cultural traditions in the process. Solzhenitsyn’s speech is fondly remembered by conservatives in the West as a stinging critique of cultural liberalism.”
“Where he had argued that the Tsars tolerated dissident intellectuals and religious minorities (including Jews), historians observed that this was a fantasy.”
“Solzhenitsyn was warning the West that if it hoped for friendly relations with a future, post-Communist Russia, it would have to accept Russian nationalism — and attendant demands for ‘security,’ often understood in expansionist terms by successive Russian governments.”
Putin even erected a monument to him, and in no way can be considered a communist or even socialist. The West should perhaps have listened to Solzhenitsyn more. He was most definitely a propagandist, but also provided many important insights.
https://unherd.com/2022/03/what-we-get-wrong-about-solzhenitsyn/

Posted by: Roger | Nov 29 2023 21:52 utc | 150

many mainstream news media outlets are owned or run by people either with pro-Zionist Jewish or Christian backgrounds or with business interests in Israel and surrounding areas.
Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 29 2023 21:48 utc | 148
The X formerly known as Twitter being a case in point.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2023 21:56 utc | 151

Addendum
“Zuesse” (Posted by: Eric Zuesse | Nov 29 2023 19:44 utc | 118″) deposited the briefing from October 12th in the archived press briefing, not from the 11th, to which the news and the quote from b also referred.
(For b: Sorry, I made a mistake with the email address in my previous post.
All the best for your excellent work!)

Posted by: SW (also Berlin) | Nov 29 2023 21:56 utc | 152

American war theorist John Boyd stated that war is fought at three levels:
1) the physical level
2) the mental level
3) the moral level
The physical level is least powerful level and the moral level is the most powerful level.
Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 29 2023 17:58 utc | 96
Boyd must have been a student of Sun Tzu of Wu …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2023 21:59 utc | 153

Piotr Berman @ 103, Tobias Cole @ 123:

“… Chauvin followed all MPD police procedures in dealing with violent resistance …”

Derek Chauvin and the other police officers (one of whom was apparently also Chauvin’s brother-in-law) involved in George Floyd’s arrest may have received training in restraint techniques and anti-terror tactics from Israeli police officers. These methods are used to restrain Palestinians and often result in quite serious injuries.
Israeli forces trained cops in ‘restraint techniques’ at Minneapolis conference

“… At least 100 Minnesota police officers attended a 2012 conference hosted by Israel’s Chicago consulate, the second time such an event had been held. There, they learned the violent techniques used by Israeli forces as they terrorize the occupied Palestinian territories under the guise of security operations. The so-called counterterrorism training conference in Minneapolis was jointly hosted by the FBI.
Israeli deputy consul Shahar Arieli claimed that the half-day session brought “top-notch professionals from the Israeli police” to share knowledge with their U.S. counterparts. It is unclear whether any of the officers involved in the incident in which Floyd was killed attended the conference …
… [Palestinian rights activist] Neta Golan … said: “When I saw the picture of killer cop Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd by leaning in on his neck with his knee as he cried for help and other cops watched, I remembered noticing when many Israeli soldiers began using this technique of leaning in on our chest and necks when we were protesting in the West Bank sometime in 2006.
“They started twisting and breaking fingers in a particular way around the same time. It was clear they had undergone training for this. They continue to use these tactics—two of my friends have had their necks broken but luckily survived—and it is clear that they [Israel] share these methods when they train police forces abroad in ‘crowd control’ in the U.S. and other countries including Sudan and Brazil.”
The training of U.S. police officials by Israeli forces is widespread …”

Amnesty International has also reported on the use of violent techniques on civilians by US and other police forces trained by Israeli security forces.
With Whom are Many U.S. Police Departments Training? With a Chronic Human Rights Violator – Israel
Looks like Chauvin followed Minnesota Police Department directives all right.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 29 2023 22:02 utc | 154

Mearsheimer on the Judge seemed to make excuses for Israel and the IDF. His tone has changed quite a bit over the last couple of months. The Judge asked some very blunt and straight forward questions, and Mearsheimer hemmed and hawed through the interview, at least in in my opinion.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 29 2023 22:05 utc | 155

@Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 29 2023 14:28 utc | 32
I read that analysis by Thierry Meyssan but did not comment on it so that not going to cause prejudice to the Palestinian resistance.
I can not say it did not got me thinking…
It seeems that the brain of this operation was a former prisoner of Hamas who got to learn Hebrew in jail…
That sounded strange to me since all the released young Palestinians do not talk about any possibility of learning anything there, but just languish amongst poor quality and sacrce food and tortures, not even adequate medical care is provided to them…
How one manages to study, moreover Hebrew, of all languages, in such environment, is beyond me…Unless you are one of those privileged prisoners, like those of ETA in Spain, who got some degrees in prison… The children were talking about sleeping just minutes during the last days… and even that a prisoner was killed of beating only for asking if there was a truce….
Hamas at first years fought against the legitimate Syrian government and resistance in Syria, then changed mind, at least some faction from amongst them…
In the first times of the Syrian color revolution I recall that the guy who was contemplated as new head of the “revolutionary government” was a Syrian connected with angloamrican oil business in the Middle East..
The other day an economic analyst I use to follow who is very well informed, told the BP has just discounted the War on Gaza and has asured its investors the Gaza coast reserves will follow under British and US control…
Does Israel, the US and UK needed a legitimate MB government in Palestine so that its gas and oil reserves remain under empire´s corporations exploitation, taking into account there were talks on agreements with the PLO on Russians corporations getting the contract to exploit these reserves previously?
Are there two opposing factions of Hamas following different goals while probably the humble people and Hamas front line fighters, which for sure belong to the humble people ( as happnes always in every war..)..ignore it?
Btw, I was observing the welcoming of the young Palestine prisoners released these days and noticed that all seem to belong to well off families, clear skined, and, above all, all have a home where to return…Are all these MB people?
These are things which passed through my mind…
May be it is this Meyssan trying to cause division amongst the Palestinians…Although I consider him a good journalist, always have wondered which side he is in sometimes…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 29 2023 22:09 utc | 156

bevin 54
Power is nothing without consent.
What power can Muslim Brotherhood derive from Israel’s world wide spy network if it loses thecr

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 29 2023 22:12 utc | 157

@Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2023 21:52 utc | 149
Daesh/ISIS was heavily funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar until they realized the possibility of blowback in their own nations of fostering extremist Wahabi Sunni-Muslims (as in Afghanistan). Members of ISIS were exposed to fundamental Muslim teachings through the Moslem Brotherhood. The CIA was arming them in Syria through Timber Sycamore and MI6 had been instrumental in supporting the Moslem Brotherhood early on. All of this support from SA, Qatar, CIA, MI6 was to destroy the possibility of progressive modernizing regimes in the region, as many had come to power in the post-WW2 era. The Israelis have also supported such groups for the same reason, “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”, Zionism is predominantly nationalist not religious (it wraps itself in religious clothing) and therefore has no problems supporting such groups.
Iran was the country that really destroyed Daesh/ISIS, with the help of Russia in Syria. Iran is progressive Shia-Muslim. Sometimes the creations of the puppeteers get out of hand, hence the work to throw out the Brotherhood in Egypt and shut down funding to Daesh/ISIS. Even Turkey got worried and shipped many of them to Libya. The West and Israel still keeps supporting in Syria as a tool against the Assad leadership.
Egypt’s leader is a Western puppet, that’s why he will not allow the population to take action, as is the Jordanian King. The Christian militias in Lebanon sit behind the backs of Hezbollah, and are well aligned with the West, Hezbollah has to be very careful not to be stabbed in the back by them. The SA leadership sit upon a very restive population, including a very substantial Shia minority that resides where the oil field are (the Shia Crescent) so will continue to balance carefully at home with bread, circuses and subjugation. MbS has shown what an utter psychopath he can be in remaining in power, he only cares about himself not the Palestinians, not the Americans, not the Chinese.
Iran, Iraq and Syria are the real drivers of change, why the US is so desperate to keep Syria and Iraq unbalanced and unable to fully align along nationalist interests.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 29 2023 22:15 utc | 158

Floyd was a drug addicted middle aged fat man, with clogged arteries, and in the throes of dying from a self inflicted a Fentanyl overdose. The boot on his neck as you say had absolutely nothing to do with his death.
Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 29 2023 16:34 utc | 69
So let me get this straight: you’re saying that if Floyd had been in good health, not drug addicted, a fine upstanding young man, he could well have survived a knee on the neck?
By the way, Floyd was, judging by the photographs, an excellent physical specimen from the external point of view. Muscular and rugged. So your characterization of him as a “fat man” calls into question the rest of your perspective.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2023 22:16 utc | 159

Iran, Iraq and Syria are the real drivers of change, why the US is so desperate to keep Syria and Iraq unbalanced and unable to fully align along nationalist interests.
Posted by: Roger | Nov 29 2023 22:15 utc | 158
You could add Yemen to that list.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2023 22:19 utc | 160

Tariq Ali reposted
Mathias
@bucephalus424
“The Israeli policy of punitive counterattacks (or state terrorism) seems to be to try to kill anywhere from 50 to 100 Arabs for every Jewish fatality.” – Edward Said, 1992
https://twitter.com/bucephalus424/status/1728270383080747443

Posted by: Menz | Nov 29 2023 22:20 utc | 161

If it loses the respect of the people it claims to represent. This is what has just happened in Israel. Alistair Crooke is trying to shore up the total collapse of Israeli society, by saying that Israelis are united in wanting a final solution to the Palestinian problem.
Israelis are more powerless to express their contempt for Netanyahu, than weakening the West. I wish that creep would crawl back up MI6’s rectum and stay there for the duration. This is how fascism works, by threatening all opposition and declaring unity.
But even Netanyahu’s fascism is nothing compared with Muslim Brotherhood’s fake power. Their system of Nazi oppression is exasperating because MB opposes everything that isn’t itself, makes takfeer / counts as blasphemous all opposition to its own pathetic Nazi
ideas simply on the basis of not being clones of Muslim Brotherhood.
Fascism has been tried before. Who needs Fascism from the Muslim Brotherhood, like Libya where slavery, oppression and injustice is worse than PALESTINE.
Not the same as Palestine, infinitely worse.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 29 2023 22:31 utc | 162

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 29 2023 18:07 utc | 103
Please enough with the Wiki. Everybody here knows it is a fake news site. Full of Disinformation. Find a more trustworthy source before disputing me.

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 29 2023 22:32 utc | 163

@Posted by: sal | Nov 29 2023 15:06 utc | 43
The inconsistencies of October 7
What lies behind Benjamin Netanyahu’s lies and Hamas’s evasions
by Thierry Meyssan
https://www.voltairenet.org/article220078.html
I am not sure where I read about those bankers behind MB
But since many bankers are believed by some observers to have ancestry way back to that part of the world it isnt all that surprising.
I was thinking of Babylon Persia Egypt etc
And what about official founder of MB, Al Banna? Info on the web mentioned that his family had a shop selling records and clocks and Meyssan suggested jews in Egypt had some kind of priviledges related to watchmakers.
But when I look for synonyms for watchmaker I find goldsmith so perhaps that went along with it.
Not conclusive but if there is any truth about such an interesting ethnicity I would suggest that Britain had a hand in picking that family and Al Banna was so young that he may never have had to be informed.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 29 2023 22:32 utc | 164

(And yet conversion to Shi’ism, for a Sunni, is a death sentence in most middle eastern societies.)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2023 21:52 utc | 149
Utter nonsense. Untruth !
Disappointed that you say something untrue like that.
Probably a quote from Petraeus.

Posted by: sal | Nov 29 2023 22:37 utc | 165

Folyd’s Autopsy Report. Draw your own conclusions. Back to our regular programing please.
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 29 2023 22:41 utc | 166

However, Alastair Crooke in his latest Judge Napolitano talk noted that the Israeli public is increasingly radicalized also on the side of a “final solution”. If this is true, removing Netayahu will do nothing to change Israel’s trajectory towards an existential fight with the entire Muslim world.
The “entire Muslim world” ony? If Isreal moves onto the “Final Solution”, my opinion is that it will draw the entire RoW to the other side against them….
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 29 2023 19:17 utc | 112
This is because over his entire career he was a key architect within British Intelligence both of War of Terror and against the USSR in the Cold War. He wants to make this an Israel vs Muslim thing which means “we” in the free world must take the side of Israel. He uses his time on indy media to steer the conversation away from resistance to brutally violent apartheid settler colonialism and refocuses it on scary Muslims vs Empire.
He helped create the mess we see today, from the inside. I get a lot of flak any time I bring this up from the Crook fans but make no mistake: Crook is an agent of Empire. 99% of what he says in his interviews with Judge Nap and the other indy media is straightforward analysis, summarizing the events to date and I take NO issue with it. But he never misses a chance in soft, quiet language to frame the threat as Muslims vs free world in a sentence or two.
There are two parts that got my attention in his latest Judge Nap podcast: when he saw the kids released from prison he didn’t ask why kids are in prison or why they’re tortured in prison.
NO! He found it “arresting” that they bowed down to thank “God” (scary Muslims) and that the celebrating Palestinians were “revitalized”. TRANSLATION: Be scared. Revitalized Palestinians is a bad thing for Empire.
The other thing he said was when he was helped negotiating a truce, Israel blew up the negotiation partner. Even if Crook when he went to meet him was “very careful” to not be surveilled by Israel.
Does this mean Crook is bad at his job or good at his job?
What is interesting is that UK / MI6 now seems to have lost power and been cut out entirely. Crook is part of that UK team which worked with Israel for years to prevent the Palestinian state.
Many here appear to new to Crook’s publications for the last 15 years especially those in foreign policy publicationd, NOT the dumbed down soundbites for podcasts.
To understand where’s he going and to understand how Empire’s mind works, his publications over 15 years in foreign policy journals since his retirement. In the media he is portrayed as someone sympathetic to the other side, who advocated dialogue with Islamists. This is whitewashing.
Crook himself is an Islamist which I define as an Empire sh*t disturber who uses religion, ethnicity etc to tell the little people (you and me) which enemy we must fear.
In the 50s a British comic book series called Commando portrayed enemies of Empire as Nazis. Then in the 60s, the new enemy was Commies, then the new enemy became secular Palestinians and Arabs, since 1991 the enemy has been “Islamists”.
Perhaps his anguish over the genocide is real even if he NEVER admits its genocide but he must feel even more anguish at seeing Israel self destruct.
For those who want to get mad at me, please first review his work over 15 years before you reply.

Posted by: pq | Nov 29 2023 22:48 utc | 167

– christian zionists in the west… its an ideology wrapped around the idea of the end of times.. these folks are completely deranged for a particular read of revelations..
james | Nov 29 2023 18:02 utc | 98
So true. as for “… zionism is political.. judaism is religious…” it’s not that simple. In the very beginning it was, but as time went on 6 different versions arose.

2023 – What is Zionism? 6 different types of Zionist thinking
“From this center, the spirit of Judaism will radiate…to all the communities of the Diaspora, to inspire them with new life and to preserve the overall unity of our people.”
There are six schools of Zionist thought: Political, Labor, Revisionist, Religious, Cultural and Diaspora Zionism.
[The dangerous ones ruling Israel and influencing the Diaspora and global Media today are the extremist Revisionist and Religious Zionist sects. Link includes educational videos about Zionism too ]

“The goal of Zionism is: Eretz Yisrael (the Land of Israel) as a single state on both sides of the Jordan River,” the slogan of the Revisionist Zionists read. What set this group apart from the other Zionists?
First, they insisted on the Jewish people’s right to sovereignty over the entire biblical land of Israel. To achieve this goal, they advocated for rapid, mass Jewish immigration to Palestine. This was in contrast to Weizmann who called for a more gradual settlement of the land.
Second, leading up to the Holocaust, the Revisionists also recognized the urgency of the situation and the immediate need to save as many Jews as possible. “Eliminate the Diaspora, or the Diaspora will surely eliminate you,” Jabotinsky warned bluntly.
Third, the Revisionists fundamentally mistrusted the British authorities in Palestine. While other Zionist leaders wanted to work with the British who (they believed) would eventually transfer power to the Jews, the Revisionists believed that the Jews would have to fight and win their own sovereignty. And they did not think it was going to be given to them by the British.
After Jabotinsky’s death, Menachem Begin (who had been a leader in Jabotinsky’s youth movement, called Betar) came to embody Revisionist Zionism.

and

Religious Zionism developed in this context. One of the first leaders of this school of thought was Rabbi Isaac Jacob Reines, who argued that “It is the duty and obligation of every Jew to join” the Zionist movement.
Reines made his case to his fellow religious Jews on two grounds. First, Zionism was a movement to rescue Jews whose lives were in danger. Jews had never refrained from working together in such situations in the past, he pointed out.
Second, Reines argued that Torah was at the center of Zionism. Establishing a Jewish state was a means of achieving religious objectives. It was only in Israel that the Jewish people could observe all of the mitzvot (commandments).
While Reines took a more pragmatic approach to the antisemitism of his day, Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook (commonly known as Rav Kook) offered a more messianic, spiritual version of religious Zionism. For him, Zionism was the beginning of a messianic redemption.

https://jewishunpacked.com/theres-no-one-way-to-be-a-zionist-six-different-types-of-zionism-part-2/

Netanyahu et al are rabid Revisionists, and the majority of Settlers are Religious Zionists. They reject the other four versions. The Religious extremists had been kept out of Govt and the Knesset for decades until recently — Netanyahu needed them in order form his various governments the last decade or so – before that Likud didn’t need them, nor Labour, to get a majority. The Religious Zionists have been IMPORTED into Israel with their right of return policy and funded to do so en masse for decades.
Both the Revisionsist and the Religous has no respect at all for the Palestinians nor about Jews who disagree with them – this framing pov belief primary IDEOLOGY has been slowly permeating throughout Israeli society and the diaspora due to constant distorted Propaganda/PR (Lies) practices and backed by abuse, threats and retaliation against anyone who disagrees … similar to how BDS activists are attacked.
See for example:

2022 – Netanyahu government reconnects with “Revisionist Zionism”
The agreement struck between the representative of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Likud), and that of his future National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir (Otzma Yehudit), provides that the latter will head an autonomous armed force.
Mr. Ben-Gvir is a Kahanist, meaning a disciple of Rabbi Meir Kahane who demands the expulsion of Arab citizens from Israel and the establishment of a theocracy. He makes no secret of wanting to use the border police to expel Arab populations, be they Muslim or Christian.
Outgoing Defense Minister Beny Gantz remarked that establishing “a private army for Ben-Gvir in the [West Bank] is dangerous…and will create real security holes.” Benjamin Netanyahu is poised to sign two more agreements involving two other far-right formations.
“>https://www.voltairenet.org/article218438.html

and also this

2023- “It’s the Zionism, Stupid!” ( Mondoweiss )
It shouldn’t need to be said at this late date, but imperialism and settler colonialism are the pertinent issues to address in any discussion of Zionism.
The foundational issue in the ongoing and existential conflict between Israeli settlers and indigenous Palestinians, not a continued and historical hatred of Jews, as many Zionists claim. But why do we make the distinction that opposition to Zionism is not automatically opposition to Jewish people? I believe that to understand this is to understand what Zionism is and the contradictions therein.
First, Zionism itself is not entirely synonymous with Judaism. Although it is true that the Zionist movement was “officially” organized by Theodor Hertzl in Austria in 1896 to establish a Jewish homeland in response to the bigotry and repression against Jews, it is important to understand that Hertzl was not himself an Orthodox, or “observant” Jew; he was more secular than religious.
“>https://blackagendareport.org/news/1659/33/Its-the-Zionism-Stupid

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 29 2023 23:09 utc | 169

Salaam.We need the truth to get out of this.Where there is objective truth and transparency there,will be found liberty.The honest citizens of the world needs to stand for the truth.The MSM are known liars,we just need to patiently and consistently keep at the truth,Palestine will be free and sooner than many expect.The greater Israel will not fly.Political Zionism is a racist,supremists fascist dogma,it must go the way of Rhodesia.Oh Mr.Msrket @96-USA did not liberate Europe it was those peski Ruskies that did that!

Posted by: 4q8 | Nov 29 2023 23:16 utc | 170

I see another reason why Biden is “changing his tune”. He sees that his support for this war is shrinking and that comes from the rising socalled “cost of living” in the US. That cost has gone up in the last say 2 years. More and more families/households are struggling to pay their bills (this is NOT limited to here in the US !!!!), I see it also happening in Canada and Europe.
Also keep in mind that interest rates in the US have gone up massively compared to mid 2021. the US 10 year yield went up from under 1% (in mid 2020) up to (about) 5,25% right now. It meant that US mortgage rates have gone up from (about) under 3% to over 7% and even 8%. It meant that US mortgage costs (i.e. repayment of the debt & paying interest) have gone up by some 80, 90 and even 100%. Ouch & OMG. Then it’s no wonder that the total amount of mortgage applications in the US are down to their lowest level since 1995 (!!!!).
Then these US households are hearing/seeing that the Biden administration plans to send/has sent/is sending billions and billions worth of military aid to Israel and the Ukraine. Then these US households are asking themselves why all that money is not (being) spent on things that will help the average household in the US. As a result of this these households are less likely to vote for Biden in november of 2024. Perhaps they will switch sides and vote for Trump instead. No matter how you slice it or dice it Joe Biden has a REAL (presidential election) headache he has to cope with. These foreign wars/meddling could cost Biden to lose the november 2024 elections.
In 2020 I voted FOR Biden but this was also a vote AGAINST Trump. But with all the things going on in Russia & Gaza I am not so sure I will vote for Biden again. And I see A LOT OF other better informed people struggle with this same question as well.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 29 2023 23:26 utc | 171

If my old memory serves me correctly, not mentioned here is that one of your prior posts included an absolute smoking gun: i.e. an attempt by Biden to secure Congressional appropriations of billions in bribe money to Egypt to take the Palestinian refugees fleeing the massacre.
Is my memory correct?
If so, why hasn’t this grossly corrupt move gotten more attention?

Posted by: bill wolfe | Nov 29 2023 23:30 utc | 172

Folyd’s Autopsy Report. Draw your own conclusions. Back to our regular programing please.
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/medical-examiner/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 29 2023 22:41 utc | 166
It was not the final autopsy. The attorney of the family secured an independent autopsy, finding bruising “hemorrhage” on the cervical vertebrae, and rejecting the levels of drugs found in the blood as potentially causing death, nor other conditions of the disease (e.g. something like 30% of Americans of the same age have hypertension, not something that makes them drop dead like flies):
Findings Related to Cause of Death:
He died of asphyxia due to neck and back pressure
Pressure on the neck and back interfered with his breathing and blood flow to the brain
Weight on the back, handcuffs and positioning were contributory factors because they impaired the ability to breathe
George Floyd died at the scene
No other obvious cause of death
The cause of death is consistent with what we see on the video. No other cause of death is present in the autopsy
Later information will not change cause of death, but will be informative
The toxicology findings are helpful in understanding the circumstances of death but are not a cause or contributing cause of death.”
The autopsy was conducted Sunday, May 31. [IMPORTANTLY, the office that made the initial autopsy agreed]
UPDATE: Late Monday afternoon the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office issued a news release, now stating homicide as the manner of death in the George Floyd case.
Now, my question: what law enforcement needs are addressed by sitting on the back of the detained person and compressing his neck with a knee for 9 minutes and 30 seconds? In particular, doing anything to the neck of a person is life-threatening, this is why “chock holds” got prohibited before it happened. What was a not malicious reason to compress the neck for so long?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 29 2023 23:34 utc | 173

Biden became Bibi’s bitch when he continued his travel to Israel to hug Bibi AFTER the IDF atrocity of bombing the (hospital or refuge camp? I forgot) thae4t killed hundreds of civilians.
That atrocity led other regional leaders to cancel meetings with Biden – he should have turned Air Force One around mid-flight after learning of it.

Posted by: bill wolfe | Nov 29 2023 23:35 utc | 174

@ pq | Nov 29 2023 22:48 utc | 167
I can easily agree that Crooke is problematic. He is always as clear as mud. He never speaks directly nor clearly. He’s a sophist using poetic analogies that defy parsing meaning from. He’s contradictory. I believe if you lined up 10 people who read an article by him they would come away with 10 different interpretations and singing his praises about how incredibly wise he is. Why? Because Crooke actually said nothing, and the readers filled in the gaps with their own ideas and beliefs opinions etc. The scorpion and the frog being a case in point – it says nothing and goes no where. He clarifies nothing and tells the reader absolutely nothing they didn’t know before.
But this comment above I do not understand either “Crook himself is an Islamist which I define as ….” ? It makes no sense to me.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 29 2023 23:44 utc | 175

I have a question for @ Piotr Berman | Nov 29 2023 23:34 utc | 173
And the others on Floyd. WTF is wrong with you and which part about Off-Topic Trolling is beyond your capacity to grok?
The thread is : on-gaza-biden-has-to-climb-down-more-than-he-already-has
Please STFU already. Jeez.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 29 2023 23:48 utc | 176

Biden became Bibi’s bitch when he continued his travel to Israel to hug Bibi AFTER the IDF atrocity of bombing the (hospital or refuge camp? I forgot) thae4t killed hundreds of civilians.
That atrocity led other regional leaders to cancel meetings with Biden – he should have turned Air Force One around mid-flight after learning of it.
Posted by: bill wolfe | Nov 29 2023 23:35 utc | 174
“Biden became Bibi’s bitch”
As I have posted a number times, US Democrat party receive 50% of their political donations from Jewish donors. Repubs get 25% which keeps them hungry, see Trump, see Nikki Haley if you can stand a few seconds doing that.
Sources for the donations breakdown were the Jerusalem post and the Globe and Mail from Canada.
According to what I have read at multiple sources, Jews represent roughly 2% of the population of America. Clearly that 2% are keen investors.
Money begets power, power begets more money ad infinitum

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 30 2023 0:03 utc | 177

…zionism is political.. judaism is religious…
Posted by: james | Nov 29 2023 18:02 utc | 98
Maybe but there is considerable overlap. Perhaps we should think in terms of moderates and extremists.
Posted by: dh | Nov 29 2023 18:12 utc | 104
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Can there really be a “moderate” Zionist? Considering that their core belief is based on the removal of all Palestinians from “the lands of Iseral,” I doubt it: That would be like a “moderate” neo-con.
How does one describe how a moderate Zionist stole their land and their homes: I was moderately robbed by a moderate Zionists mob.
And how do we differentiate between a “moderate” Zionist and an “extremist” Zionist when both support the genocide and / or the ethnic cleansing of a whole nation?
And James, religions are often political extremists as well. There are ultra-religious Jews who support the ethnic cleansing and / or the genocide of all Arabs now living on land that they consider God had given to them, and never mind the Christian Crusaders.
Then their is the Eschatological Movements: Premillennialism, Amillennialism, Postmillennialism, their is truly nothing “moderate” about these folks, and really, they don’t mind at all if every Palestinian in the “Holy Land” dies or is removed form Palestine, if that is “God’s” will.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2023 0:05 utc | 178

There are six schools of Zionist thought: Political, Labor, Revisionist, Religious, Cultural and Diaspora Zionism. Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 29 2023 23:09 utc
This is over-complicated. The basic tenets of Zionism are two. The first is common to most nationalistic ideologies/mental frames:
we should do as much for our (group) benefit AS WE CAN GET AWAY WITH
Compare with American exceptionalism. BTW, Latvia is also exceptional to Latvian nationalists.
The second tenet is peculiar, Jews need “elevation”, which is possible only “between the river and the sea” and only if they are in full control of that area.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Nov 30 2023 0:07 utc | 179

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 29 2023 22:41 utc | 166
The autopsy would not exist without a knee on the neck.
By all means, back to the regular programming.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 30 2023 0:18 utc | 180

As Sheikh Imran Hossein continues his recovery, a follower reads an except of his essay “Gog and Magog and Jerusalem”…
https://youtu.be/rqlFNnPsOqE?feature=shared

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 30 2023 0:21 utc | 181

I’ve seen a fair amount of chatter on other sites about Israel losing the PR war, not sure if that matters to the poor people getting massacred and homes and buildings and cities getting destroyed. (Orlov has an article out on that subject behind paywall)>
However, I did not another article on this zionist racist thug key in nitenyahooo’s cabinet which leads me to believe that Israel will continue to lose the pr war, again, not that it matters other than maybe, just maybe, someone in the buyem admin will find a pair of balls and get niten out:
https://sonar21.com/israels-pr-problem-is-summed-up-in-one-man-itamar-ben-gvir/

Posted by: Taras 77 | Nov 30 2023 0:32 utc | 182

Lavrov’s Dog @ 173:
Begging your pardon regarding the discussion about the circumstances surrounding George Floyd’s death but I suggest you read my comment @ 154 to see that there is indeed a parallel between his treatment by Derek Chauvin and the other Minneapolis police officers with Chauvin, and the savage treatment of Palestinians by Israeli security forces.
An implication here is that even if Israel ceases to exist by (let’s say) the year 2030, it will still exercise a malevolent influence on Western societies. The notion that Israel exists as an open-air laboratory in pacifying or eliminating populations resistant to cultural or whatever other forms of enslavement, through the use of so-called “police restraint” tactics, cyber-security technologies or other methods, is very real.
It’s likely also that in the US election year next year, as the Biden administration faces the possibility of losing the election, the government may resort to more blunt methods of regaining power, some of which will clearly involve intimidating voters and even threatening them with violence if they insist on their rights as voters or push back in some way. Then we may see the police around different parts of the country using violent methods of enforcement and restraint that mirror the methods used on Palestinians by IDF forces in most details. The example made of George Floyd by Minneapolis police may turn out to be a warning of what may come.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Nov 30 2023 0:43 utc | 183

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-29/iran-saudi-proposals-seek-to-deescalate-tensions-amid-israel-hamas-war?sref=6uww027M
I truly do not understand the motives behind this, if true. It makes the Saudis look like eager pawns of the US and Israel.

Posted by: Eighthman | Nov 30 2023 1:10 utc | 184

Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern (who specialized in russian affairs) was featured in a video of “Dialogue Works”. McGovern thinks that Joe Biden, Jake Sullivan, Anthony Blinken and Victoria Nuland and others (think: “Neocons”) tought that they could pledge unconditional support for Israel and that they wouldn’t have to suffer any (negative) consequences/”blowback”. See Biden’s words: “We are America” (or words to that effect).
A similar attitude was displayed towards the conflict between Ukraine & Russia.
But now both conflicts are blowing up in the faces of these people in the Biden administration. Perhaps these people have learned a lesson or two and perhaps it will reduce the arrogance of these people.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrUVu-BXkCE
Date of publication: 16 november 2023.
McGovern has proved to be still a very good analist of events happening in the US, Europe, Middle East, Russia and China.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 30 2023 1:13 utc | 185

But now both conflicts are blowing up in the faces of these people in the Biden administration. Perhaps these people have learned a lesson or two and perhaps it will reduce the arrogance of these people.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrUVu-BXkCE
Date of publication: 16 november 2023.
McGovern has proved to be still a very good analist of events happening in the US, Europe, Middle East, Russia and China.
Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 30 2023 1:13 utc | 185
They think they can get away with it. What in your mind do you think could stop them?

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 30 2023 1:24 utc | 186

And the others on Floyd. WTF is wrong with you and which part about Off-Topic Trolling is beyond your capacity to grok?
The thread is: on-gaza-biden-has-to-climb-down-more-than-he-already-has
Please STFU already. Jeez.
Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 29 2023 23:48 utc | 176
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I agree with you Lavrov’s Dog, although I am often guilty of going OT myself. What I don’t understand is the relationship between George Floyd and Genocide Joe. Why is this important right now?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2023 1:31 utc | 187

That is a very powerful argument and one that to me puts the coup de grace to the nonsense some conspiracy nuts have been spouting about the Muslim brotherhood pulling the strings behind this entire outbreak. Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2023 21:52 utc | 149

You are correct all of that is just conspiracy theory nonsense. The Muslim Brotherhood is tough to put a finger on because most people paint them with one broad stroke. I see them as a company that have many different branches and affiliates sprinkled throughout the Muslim world. They don’t necessarily operate the same way depending on their location or the circumstance pertaining to their situation. The same way a corporate headquarter in New York City can give you a unifying mission statement, but how the different locations sprinkled throughout the country operate can be different. Thats why its ridiculous to think Brotherhood = Hamas, therefore hamas has to get the OK from the top on anything it does, because the situation in Gaza is quite unique and different then the situation in other parts of the world.
I think most of those conspiracies’ come from people misreading what Israel’s intentions were when it came to the early day’s of hamas. When hamas started as a movement the PLO was heavily entrenched within Palestinian society, and hamas was just an upstart movement created by a group that saw the Palestinian Authority has become to conciliatory with the Israeli occupation so they created their own group. So Israel just stayed out of the way because it wanted divisions within the Palestinian liberation movement. Israel didn’t mind that because it wanted to divide and conquer and weaken its enemies. Since the PLO was the bigger threat Israel liked seeing the splintering off. So then people started saying “hamas was created by Israel” as a tongue in cheek comment. But as with most things you give it 10 or 20 years and people take out those statements and start believing it in a literal sense. The funny thing is it ended up being the PLO who basically became stooges for Israel, and hamas found more effective ways of dealing with the zionist.

Every single middle eastern conflict since at least 2001 has put the Shia in a good light while exposing Sunni Muslim leaders, and by extension Sunni institutions, as willing puppets of the West at best and malevolent actors at worst (daesh).
I can’t see how any of the Palestinian flare ups have ever shown the m.b in a good light as the majority of the RoW looks to Shia groups like Hezbollah to help in times like those.
By now the Muslim Brotherhood might have already reached an accord with the Sunni leadership of the Arab world and be working against the interests of Shia-based movements …
Surely young Sunni men with red blood in their veins must look at their Shia counterparts and feel neutered by comparison? Neutered by their denomination, that is.
(And yet conversion to Shi’ism, for a Sunni, is a death sentence in most middle eastern societies.)
Perhaps this is the reason groups like daesh are overwhelmingly if not exclusively Sunni?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 29 2023 21:52 utc | 149

Most of the Sunni countries have been made ineffectual because they are mostly run by puppet leaders, and most of the sunni populations in these countries know this deep inside.
But Isis(daesh) is not a sunni group. Isis is a wahhabi/salafi/takfiri group. I use all of these names because all of these names are used to describe them. Groups like Al-qaeda and ISIS follow the Salafi/wahhabi ideology, which came out of Saudi Arabia from the deviant teachings of Muhammad ibn abdul wahhab. He was basically a charlatan who had extreme views, he made an alliance with the Saud family, where the Saud tribe would propagate his extremist ideology in return for being the heads of whatever lands they can plunder and pillage. The saud family liked his extremist views because it allowed them to make takfir(excommunication) on the muslims living in the surrounding areas, which allowed them to murder and pillage these unfortunate people(most of these people in the surrounding village were sunnis). This is the group all of these various modern terrorists group come from. Its also why they make perfect pawns for America, the zionists, and the Gulf puppet kingdoms, who use them to destroy any country they choose. The wahhabis believe they are the only real muslims and every other sect are non believers, and can be killed. Thats why Isis was running around and beheading everyone they could get their hands on in Syria and Iraq.
So no the sunnis and the wahhabis are two distinct groups in reality. But what the wahhabis do is they hide amongst the sunnis. After the Oil boom in Saudi Arabia, they became flush with cash so they started spreading their terrorist religion through satellite channels and other forms of media. So many sunnis started becoming infected with the wahhabi/salafi disease. Theres a lot more to this, but i’ll leave it here.

Posted by: Ahmed | Nov 30 2023 1:34 utc | 188

Can there really be a “moderate” Zionist? Considering that their core belief is based on the removal of all Palestinians from “the lands of Iseral,” I doubt it: That would be like a “moderate” neo-con.
How does one describe how a moderate Zionist stole their land and their homes: I was moderately robbed by a moderate Zionists mob.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2023 0:05 utc | 178
I was thinking more about Jews in general since james likes to attach all the blame to Zionists. Zionism is a fairly recent concept whereas the Covenant and the Promised Land go back several millenia and are the basis of Judaism. I tend to see Zionists as the extremists and Diaspora Jews as moderates. Of course it’s more complicated than that. When push comes to shove both groups support Israel.

Posted by: dh | Nov 30 2023 1:38 utc | 189

They think they can get away with it. What in your mind do you think could stop them?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Nov 30 2023 1:24 utc | 186
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Perhaps a few million people in the streets telling Genocide Joe and his Neo-Cons to get the fuck out of Washington. Or a threat by tens of millions of Democratic voters writing to the White House in that they will abstain from voting if Biden remains the candidate for President in 2024.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2023 1:43 utc | 190

Good piece. There aint goin to be no ‘climb down’. See- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsSh0TW3os0

Posted by: Paul | Nov 30 2023 1:48 utc | 191

Henry Kissinger died this evening, US EST.
The end of an era?
He took the clock from Russian sub K-129 as a gift to the Chinese when he went with Nixon to China.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Nov 30 2023 2:10 utc | 192

“I was thinking more about Jews in general since james likes to attach all the blame to Zionists. Zionism is a fairly recent concept whereas the Covenant and the Promised Land go back several millennia and are the basis of Judaism. I tend to see Zionists as the extremists and Diaspora Jews as moderates.”
Posted by: dh | Nov 30 2023 1:38 utc | 189
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Thanks, dh, for your response to my comment. I have two points to make. First the Hebrew Torah make it quite clear that the Hebrew God is in fact an extremist, bar none. Today, many believers, both Jewish and Christian, believe that genocide is acceptable as long as they are not the victims, and it was written in the Holy Book that God approves.
Secondly, Zionism is not all that new or unexpected. In fact, Zionism existed long before WWII, and therefore it was not a product of the Nazi Holocaust. It was an extremist movement waiting in the wings for an opportunity to push for a new Israeli state. If the Holocaust didn’t happen, the Zionist would have had to create one to achieve their goals of a new homeland. This could have only happened because of the Christian Eschatological Movements were developing at the same time the Zionist movements were also developing. This gave the Zionist a foot hold in the US and several European countries and the UK.
“Zionism is a variety of Jewish nationalism. It claims that Jews constitute a nation whose survival, both physical and cultural, requires its return to the Jews’ ancestral home in the Land of Israel. Pre-1948 Zionism was more than a nationalist movement: it was a revolutionary project to remake the Jewish people. Zionism’s origins lay in a confluence of factors: physical persecution of East European Jewry, Jewish assimilation in the West, and a Hebrew cultural revival that rejected or transformed traditional Jewish religiosity. At the end of the 1800s, Zionism’s first adherents were concentrated in the Russian Pale of Settlement and Rumania, but under the dynamic leadership of Theodor Herzl, Zionism established itself as a global political movement. During World War I….”
https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199840731/obo-9780199840731-0006.xml

Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2023 2:25 utc | 193

@ Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 29 2023 23:09 utc | 169
@ Ed | Nov 30 2023 0:05 utc | 178
@ dh | Nov 30 2023 1:38 utc | 189
thanks for the feedback from all of you.. the reason why i don’t generally discuss anything on the palestine or ukraine threads is it can never be said with words, and words are all we have here.. even if i give a simple statement – it can be interpreted any number of ways.. and yet, i periodically continue to try..
i watched a video of a rabbi explaining why zionism is the problem..obviously not all rabbis see it this way.. i notice that a lot of people i know who identify as ‘jewish’ aren’t practicing judaism.. being jewish used to be connected to practicing the religion judaism.. as lavrov’s dog noted in the last part of their post – theodor hertzl was secular.
let me ask you this… what religion would think some specific group of people are chosen and all the rest aren’t? i call that a whacked out insane ideology that has no religion to it.. and again, its the words, because people can take them in a literal manner or a figurative manner.. the ones who take it literally are living in hell and those who know better have a chance at living with others – regardless of who they are, what the colour of their skin is and all the different ways people have of dividing others – successfully..
maybe some people are addicted to stress and chaos… i’ll stop talking now as the words are either getting me further into trouble or someone can intuit what i am trying to say.. thanks for the feedback.. i am going to stick with my original hypothesis which remains – zionism is the problem… fundamentalism as expressed in religion is also the problem.. if people can’t find the wisdom and insight into knowing the truth in various statements, they are going to have to dig deeper.. i can’t help!

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2023 2:33 utc | 194

In 2020, I voted for Trump because I was so outraged by how the Democrats had been acting, in particular against Trump, as though he was not a legitimately elected president. This time I believe I will vote again for Jill Stein, as I did in 2016 and 2012, as I am not happy with Trump’s present stance on Israel and Gaza.

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 30 2023 2:36 utc | 195

@ Ed | Nov 30 2023 2:25 utc | 193
the zionists worked with the nazis during and before ww2, to further there aims.. for anyone interested in knowing more about this, read hannah arendts book ‘eichmann in jerusalem’ 1963 i think is the year the book came out.. ed is right.. zionism has been around since at least the late 1800s.. the british leadership went along with it too for a bunch of reasons.. balfour declaration and etc. etc..

Posted by: james | Nov 30 2023 2:36 utc | 196

First the Hebrew Torah make it quite clear that the Hebrew God is in fact an extremist, bar none. Today, many believers, both Jewish and Christian, believe that genocide is acceptable as long as they are not the victims, and it was written in the Holy Book that God approves.
Posted by: Ed | Nov 30 2023 2:25 utc | 193
That Yahweh was certainly a piece of work. Still it’s amazing how many Christians believe that Old Testament stuff.

Posted by: dh | Nov 30 2023 2:48 utc | 197

Ed 193
A senior British zionist who I once met socially said to me :” I hear you are a Christian, but the religion immediately before Christ [ pbuh ] was a better religion.” I.e. Judaism.
I take this to mean that zionists trace their Zionism back to before Jesus pbuh and blame Jesus pbuh for not supporting Jewish Nationaism otherwise known as Zionism.
Jesus’s teachings pbuh emphasised the spiritual and psychological aspects of Judaism as agaibst the political elements. The reason we’re discussing genocide 2000 years later is because Zionist Jews , who had just re-built the temple, refused to correct their faith by listening to what Jesus pbuh said.
The direct implication of that is that there’s no intrinsic merit to Jewish ethnicity. Our prophet Muhammad SAW told us there’s no.intrinsic meditator Arab ethnicity.
If these clear and authoritative messages about ethnicity have been ignored for 2000 years , it’s unlikely to be resolved on an obscure MoA thread. However facts must prevail for sanity and peace to be eachieved. Biden , Sunak , Stoltenberg , BoJo are all 100% wrong to support Jewish Ethnic supremacy. Wrong now wrong 2000 years ago.
Can we sit idly by while our leaders defy logic? We have to protest against Ethnic
Supremacy however it manifests itself.
Trumpism , racism, Zionism , Azov.
It’s intolerable for our leaders to talk tripe and support tripe.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 30 2023 3:05 utc | 198

 Correction, sorry. ” Our prophet Muhammad SAW told us there’s no intrinsic meditator to Arab ethnicity. ”

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 30 2023 3:09 utc | 199

Autocorrect has done it again.
” Our prophet Muhammad SAW told us there’s no intrinsic merit to Arab ethnicity. ”

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 30 2023 3:12 utc | 200