Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
November 13, 2023
Not Getting It

Scoop: Austin warned Gallant about Israeli military actions in LebanonAxios, Nov 12 2023

Biden administration officials are satisfied that Hezbollah's leader Hasan Nasrallah's speeches over the last week didn't include a call for further escalation and saw that as a sign that their messages were being heard, one source said.

Nasrallah's Second Speech On GazaMoon of Alabama, Nov 11 2023

"What happens on the battlefield is more important than my speech."

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… as an old country boy myself, I have never found it strange the when I send my chickens out in the morning that they return to their coop in the evening … (I’m paraphrasing but you get the drift … and in case you don’t … its called blow back … )

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Nov 13 2023 9:49 utc | 1

… as an old country boy myself, I have never found it strange the when I send my chickens out in the morning that they return to their coop in the evening … (I’m paraphrasing but you get the drift … and in case you don’t … its called blow back … )

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Nov 13 2023 9:49 utc | 2

Thanks as all ways be you deserve a stutue when this is all over.
Much respect.
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As has been debated here, the M Eastern leaders are in a difficult situation, finantualy and militarly tied to the west, yet their population outraged by Israel.
So the pragmatic approach is to not intervine in the ground swell of rage.
If i was the US would i want to place valuable military assits and personal in those countrys ? No.
They’d be soft targets for the pro Palistine militea in all their forms.
Plausable deniabilty for the leaders.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 9:54 utc | 3

Thanks as all ways be you deserve a stutue when this is all over.
Much respect.
————-
As has been debated here, the M Eastern leaders are in a difficult situation, finantualy and militarly tied to the west, yet their population outraged by Israel.
So the pragmatic approach is to not intervine in the ground swell of rage.
If i was the US would i want to place valuable military assits and personal in those countrys ? No.
They’d be soft targets for the pro Palistine militea in all their forms.
Plausable deniabilty for the leaders.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 9:54 utc | 4

The resistance has learned from Putin’s S.M.O. in Ukraine (I don’t doubt that Putin has been advising them). No big arrow offensives. Stay ensconced behind your fortified defensive lines and attack incrementally. Let the enemy wear itself down.

Posted by: Maracatu | Nov 13 2023 9:55 utc | 5

The resistance has learned from Putin’s S.M.O. in Ukraine (I don’t doubt that Putin has been advising them). No big arrow offensives. Stay ensconced behind your fortified defensive lines and attack incrementally. Let the enemy wear itself down.

Posted by: Maracatu | Nov 13 2023 9:55 utc | 6

Best case scenario, Hezbolla is adopting tactic like the rolling UAW strike in US. Worst case, they & Arab states do nothing and watch the Palestinians get wiped out. They’re next tho. …

Posted by: Typingperson | Nov 13 2023 10:02 utc | 7

Best case scenario, Hezbolla is adopting tactic like the rolling UAW strike in US. Worst case, they & Arab states do nothing and watch the Palestinians get wiped out. They’re next tho. …

Posted by: Typingperson | Nov 13 2023 10:02 utc | 8

Maracatu @ 3 whilst i understand your logic there, you miss one critical fact in the eqaution….
The poor people in Gaza subjected to unimaginable suffering.
Not to be ignored. This is a sereous pressing need to be delt with as a fast operation not slow.
Consider how their suffering will progress in this just next week !

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:06 utc | 9

Maracatu @ 3 whilst i understand your logic there, you miss one critical fact in the eqaution….
The poor people in Gaza subjected to unimaginable suffering.
Not to be ignored. This is a sereous pressing need to be delt with as a fast operation not slow.
Consider how their suffering will progress in this just next week !

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:06 utc | 10

Netinyaoo / israel’s Archilles heel is the two ‘legs’ of his support, America and England.
England has developed a limp, ha ha.
Braveaman sacked more to follow.
Now is the time to apply full peacefull pressure on this scum we call our leaders. They dont speak for us.
Protests.
Telephone lobbying.
Posters ect.
This weekend proved that is effective, do able and democratic in a non democratic enviroment.
And most importantly imiediate. Not slowmo.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:17 utc | 11

Netinyaoo / israel’s Archilles heel is the two ‘legs’ of his support, America and England.
England has developed a limp, ha ha.
Braveaman sacked more to follow.
Now is the time to apply full peacefull pressure on this scum we call our leaders. They dont speak for us.
Protests.
Telephone lobbying.
Posters ect.
This weekend proved that is effective, do able and democratic in a non democratic enviroment.
And most importantly imiediate. Not slowmo.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:17 utc | 12

Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:06 utc | 5
Your reports and your participation in the protested in UK is good. It all helps.
What we watch now is not small regional wars. It is the dying empire thrashing. Many will be killed and that is hard to take. We have seen many provocations though none as terrible as Gaza. Russia has never reacted to provocations nor has China. They stick to their strategies. The tragedy of war. I have read about it and it has been a constant throughout history. Now we watch it in real time. Great power conflict, this time in the nuclear age. Dirty war rather than dirty bombs… the civilized west…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2023 10:19 utc | 13

Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:06 utc | 5
Your reports and your participation in the protested in UK is good. It all helps.
What we watch now is not small regional wars. It is the dying empire thrashing. Many will be killed and that is hard to take. We have seen many provocations though none as terrible as Gaza. Russia has never reacted to provocations nor has China. They stick to their strategies. The tragedy of war. I have read about it and it has been a constant throughout history. Now we watch it in real time. Great power conflict, this time in the nuclear age. Dirty war rather than dirty bombs… the civilized west…

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 13 2023 10:19 utc | 14

Peter Au1 @ 8
As allways thanks for this valid point, finger on the pulse.
I agree with your view. But the shame about the Ukraine conflict was the absence of any noticeable Ukrainian based resistence.
Here with this conflict, we could and should have a ‘risestence’ movement of a massive scale.
Both middle east and England….
Granted the US is a harder nut to crack due to their dumb ignorent bovine population.
Much respect and hope ya well.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:32 utc | 15

Peter Au1 @ 8
As allways thanks for this valid point, finger on the pulse.
I agree with your view. But the shame about the Ukraine conflict was the absence of any noticeable Ukrainian based resistence.
Here with this conflict, we could and should have a ‘risestence’ movement of a massive scale.
Both middle east and England….
Granted the US is a harder nut to crack due to their dumb ignorent bovine population.
Much respect and hope ya well.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:32 utc | 16

The videos of IDF allegedly delivering a few jerrycans of fuel to a large almost 1,000 bed hospital (pre-carpet bombing) reminds me in an upside down way of the jerrycans of fuel taken to Canadian truckers…even the truckers were donated more fuel…
Not to forget the pristine copy of Mein Kampf found in the rubble with Hitler’s passport.
It seems that Hasbara are floundering.

Posted by: pq | Nov 13 2023 10:55 utc | 17

The videos of IDF allegedly delivering a few jerrycans of fuel to a large almost 1,000 bed hospital (pre-carpet bombing) reminds me in an upside down way of the jerrycans of fuel taken to Canadian truckers…even the truckers were donated more fuel…
Not to forget the pristine copy of Mein Kampf found in the rubble with Hitler’s passport.
It seems that Hasbara are floundering.

Posted by: pq | Nov 13 2023 10:55 utc | 18

Rishi Sunak has stunned Westminster by restoring former prime minister David Cameron to the political frontline as UK foreign secretary, in a dramatic reshuffle that included the sacking of controversial home secretary Suella Braverman.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 10:57 utc | 19

Rishi Sunak has stunned Westminster by restoring former prime minister David Cameron to the political frontline as UK foreign secretary, in a dramatic reshuffle that included the sacking of controversial home secretary Suella Braverman.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 10:57 utc | 20

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:32 utc | 9
On the contrary, there is evidence that the US public is waking up to the crimes and lies of the uniparty Empire of Republicans and Democrats. Conditions exist for revolutionary change, that’s why the elites are making it harder for us to protest and their media is downplaying the extent of the protests.
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Nov 13 2023 11:04 utc | 21

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 10:32 utc | 9
On the contrary, there is evidence that the US public is waking up to the crimes and lies of the uniparty Empire of Republicans and Democrats. Conditions exist for revolutionary change, that’s why the elites are making it harder for us to protest and their media is downplaying the extent of the protests.
https://twitter.com/sahouraxo

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Nov 13 2023 11:04 utc | 22

When your weak pretend your strong, when your strong pretend your weak.
I think regarding the UK present guv resuffle this is the former not the latter.
Time to put the boot in (metothoricaly speaking)
Again look at the power of street protest and tremble if your a lying bad guy, slowly geniciding palistinians.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 11:05 utc | 23

When your weak pretend your strong, when your strong pretend your weak.
I think regarding the UK present guv resuffle this is the former not the latter.
Time to put the boot in (metothoricaly speaking)
Again look at the power of street protest and tremble if your a lying bad guy, slowly geniciding palistinians.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 11:05 utc | 24

Nasrallah is like any “leader” – primarily concerned with staying in power.
The Zionists (ie US and Israel) will flatten Lebanon, targeting civilians and infrastructure if Hizbullah do anything more than token attacks on Israel.
Which would almost certainly mean the end of Nasrallah… so I don’t see him escalating.
Iran said invading Gaza would mean war… well, the IOF invaded Gaza, and all we’re seeing is a slight uptick in attacks on US bases by Iraq and Syrian proxy militias.
The Arab region’s leaders failed to come to an agreement to bring pressure to bear on Israel because (at least) 4 of the countries – Egypt, UAE, Jordan & Saudi Arabia – have comprador elites.
So, unless the US MIC decides they want to keep enough Gazans in Gaza to keep this nice little profit center going, I expect a second Nachkba over the next few months.
The “Axis of Resistance” is still too weak vs Israel and their Western Golem.
This only ends when US hegemony does.

Posted by: Observer | Nov 13 2023 11:05 utc | 25

Nasrallah is like any “leader” – primarily concerned with staying in power.
The Zionists (ie US and Israel) will flatten Lebanon, targeting civilians and infrastructure if Hizbullah do anything more than token attacks on Israel.
Which would almost certainly mean the end of Nasrallah… so I don’t see him escalating.
Iran said invading Gaza would mean war… well, the IOF invaded Gaza, and all we’re seeing is a slight uptick in attacks on US bases by Iraq and Syrian proxy militias.
The Arab region’s leaders failed to come to an agreement to bring pressure to bear on Israel because (at least) 4 of the countries – Egypt, UAE, Jordan & Saudi Arabia – have comprador elites.
So, unless the US MIC decides they want to keep enough Gazans in Gaza to keep this nice little profit center going, I expect a second Nachkba over the next few months.
The “Axis of Resistance” is still too weak vs Israel and their Western Golem.
This only ends when US hegemony does.

Posted by: Observer | Nov 13 2023 11:05 utc | 26

David Cameron to the political frontline as UK foreign secretary, in a dramatic reshuffle that included the sacking of controversial home secretary Suella Braverman.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 10:57 utc | 11
Aha! I get it, Braverman wasn’t genocidal enough.
If Cameron doesn’t make the cut in comes Blaire.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:06 utc | 27

David Cameron to the political frontline as UK foreign secretary, in a dramatic reshuffle that included the sacking of controversial home secretary Suella Braverman.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 10:57 utc | 11
Aha! I get it, Braverman wasn’t genocidal enough.
If Cameron doesn’t make the cut in comes Blaire.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:06 utc | 28

Thanks b, as always, for your wise commentary.
I was again demonstrating for Palestine in a northern UK city on Saturday.
With the enormous London demo taking place, and many comrades and friends travelling there, I expected a poor showing in my city.
Not so – The street was full of 2000 demonstrators singing, chanting, sitting down in the shopping centre.
Braverman, the UK Home Secretary, responsible for the UK police, has been sacked – Good riddance to the hate-filled, lying gob-shite.
One down – Many to follow.
I read that the Israelis are trying to recruit the detested war-criminal Blair as a propagandist on their side.
Satire is not dead.
” – By their friends shall ye know them – ”

Posted by: Engineer-John | Nov 13 2023 11:06 utc | 29

Thanks b, as always, for your wise commentary.
I was again demonstrating for Palestine in a northern UK city on Saturday.
With the enormous London demo taking place, and many comrades and friends travelling there, I expected a poor showing in my city.
Not so – The street was full of 2000 demonstrators singing, chanting, sitting down in the shopping centre.
Braverman, the UK Home Secretary, responsible for the UK police, has been sacked – Good riddance to the hate-filled, lying gob-shite.
One down – Many to follow.
I read that the Israelis are trying to recruit the detested war-criminal Blair as a propagandist on their side.
Satire is not dead.
” – By their friends shall ye know them – ”

Posted by: Engineer-John | Nov 13 2023 11:06 utc | 30

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 10:57 utc | 11
Re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Bringing back the despised pig fucker Cameron will only hasten the demise of the UK Conservative Party. At this rate permanently, because it’s very likely to splinter into ever more extreme right wing fringe fronts. Leaving the door wide open to the right wing Labour Party of Sir Keir Starmer as the uniparty class war continues.
Seriously, sending pig fucker Cameron as UK Foreign secretary talking to MbS or Netanyahu. The western political class is absolutely desperate.
Keep up the pressure.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Nov 13 2023 11:11 utc | 31

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 10:57 utc | 11
Re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Bringing back the despised pig fucker Cameron will only hasten the demise of the UK Conservative Party. At this rate permanently, because it’s very likely to splinter into ever more extreme right wing fringe fronts. Leaving the door wide open to the right wing Labour Party of Sir Keir Starmer as the uniparty class war continues.
Seriously, sending pig fucker Cameron as UK Foreign secretary talking to MbS or Netanyahu. The western political class is absolutely desperate.
Keep up the pressure.

Posted by: Lev Davidovich | Nov 13 2023 11:11 utc | 32

Lev Davidovich @ 12
Thanks for responding to my mischeveous prompt.
You’v answered my hidden question with a very posative pleasing response.
I didnt know, and was fishing for some imput.
And you stand with a lot of credabilty on this blog.
Cheers for all your posts.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 11:12 utc | 33

Lev Davidovich @ 12
Thanks for responding to my mischeveous prompt.
You’v answered my hidden question with a very posative pleasing response.
I didnt know, and was fishing for some imput.
And you stand with a lot of credabilty on this blog.
Cheers for all your posts.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 13 2023 11:12 utc | 34

Nasrallah is like any “leader” – primarily concerned with staying in power.
Posted by: Observer | Nov 13 2023 11:05 utc | 14
I doubt it. I think Nasrallah is an exception.

One cannot call what Nasrallah has “Power”.
All Nasrallah has is responsibility and risk.
No upside.

I think Nasrallah’s primary goal is to avenge the death of his son at the hands of the Jews.
That’s Nasrallah’s primary concern.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:12 utc | 35

Nasrallah is like any “leader” – primarily concerned with staying in power.
Posted by: Observer | Nov 13 2023 11:05 utc | 14
I doubt it. I think Nasrallah is an exception.

One cannot call what Nasrallah has “Power”.
All Nasrallah has is responsibility and risk.
No upside.

I think Nasrallah’s primary goal is to avenge the death of his son at the hands of the Jews.
That’s Nasrallah’s primary concern.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:12 utc | 36

Five US service members killed in aircraft crash in Mediterranean
Reuters
November 13, 20239:07 AM GMT+8Updated 10 hours ago
WASHINGTON, Nov 12 (Reuters) – Five U.S. special operations troops were killed on Friday when their helicopter crashed into the Mediterranean Sea during a training mission, U.S. officials said on Sunday.

Yeah, right. More Gaza casualties …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:16 utc | 37

Five US service members killed in aircraft crash in Mediterranean
Reuters
November 13, 20239:07 AM GMT+8Updated 10 hours ago
WASHINGTON, Nov 12 (Reuters) – Five U.S. special operations troops were killed on Friday when their helicopter crashed into the Mediterranean Sea during a training mission, U.S. officials said on Sunday.

Yeah, right. More Gaza casualties …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:16 utc | 38

Various reports Haifa explosions –
Big refinery-chemical complex in Haifa. If this complex is knocked out, then it means Hezbollah is all-in big time.
Also suggests, USN carrier aircraft will be soon carpet bombing civilians in Lebanon.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 13 2023 11:23 utc | 39

Various reports Haifa explosions –
Big refinery-chemical complex in Haifa. If this complex is knocked out, then it means Hezbollah is all-in big time.
Also suggests, USN carrier aircraft will be soon carpet bombing civilians in Lebanon.

Posted by: Exile | Nov 13 2023 11:23 utc | 40

Gilles Devers is one of the most veteran lawyers in France, who in just 10 days gathered an army of lawyers from all the continents of the world to prosecute Israel for its war crimes against the Palestinians.
Lawyer Giles Devers is promising the Israeli occupation with a dark fate and says to the Palestinians: “You did not have anyone to defend you, but now you have an army to defend you in international and national courts.”

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 13 2023 11:33 utc | 41

Gilles Devers is one of the most veteran lawyers in France, who in just 10 days gathered an army of lawyers from all the continents of the world to prosecute Israel for its war crimes against the Palestinians.
Lawyer Giles Devers is promising the Israeli occupation with a dark fate and says to the Palestinians: “You did not have anyone to defend you, but now you have an army to defend you in international and national courts.”

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 13 2023 11:33 utc | 42

I don’t know why people keep thinking wars are like some kind of movie where there’s an inciting incident and then WHAM, everyone goes all in on the final battle.
In reality, slow and steady wins the race, and Hizbullah is doing magnificently. Aside from their fire attacks, they’ve sent MULTIPLE drones into Israel to do recon.
Every day that Israel is “on a war footing,” is another day that their economy (and public image) continues to crater. And everyone involved (PIJ, Fatah, Hamas. Hizbullah, et al) knows it.
I honestly think there are some real sickos watching these conflicts, hoping for some kind of WW3 apocalypse showdown between ALL versus ALL. No!

Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Nov 13 2023 11:34 utc | 43

I don’t know why people keep thinking wars are like some kind of movie where there’s an inciting incident and then WHAM, everyone goes all in on the final battle.
In reality, slow and steady wins the race, and Hizbullah is doing magnificently. Aside from their fire attacks, they’ve sent MULTIPLE drones into Israel to do recon.
Every day that Israel is “on a war footing,” is another day that their economy (and public image) continues to crater. And everyone involved (PIJ, Fatah, Hamas. Hizbullah, et al) knows it.
I honestly think there are some real sickos watching these conflicts, hoping for some kind of WW3 apocalypse showdown between ALL versus ALL. No!

Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Nov 13 2023 11:34 utc | 44

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 13 2023 11:33 utc | 22
Just remember what happened to Reiner Füllmich.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 11:35 utc | 45

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 13 2023 11:33 utc | 22
Just remember what happened to Reiner Füllmich.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 11:35 utc | 46

Sunni Sheikh Mousa Khalaf:
Shiite Muslims prove their love for the Book of God and for His Messenger and his pure family. They sacrifice blood, money and martyrs, and deliver missiles to Hamas [who are sunni] with their blood.
Love them, for by God they create the glories of the Islamic nation
Now this is scary for the Zionists and usa. The divided Shia Sunni pitted against each other has been very effective to neutralise the Arab world. It seems Israel has created the merge into a common enemy

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 13 2023 11:36 utc | 47

Sunni Sheikh Mousa Khalaf:
Shiite Muslims prove their love for the Book of God and for His Messenger and his pure family. They sacrifice blood, money and martyrs, and deliver missiles to Hamas [who are sunni] with their blood.
Love them, for by God they create the glories of the Islamic nation
Now this is scary for the Zionists and usa. The divided Shia Sunni pitted against each other has been very effective to neutralise the Arab world. It seems Israel has created the merge into a common enemy

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 13 2023 11:36 utc | 48

Also suggests, USN carrier aircraft will be soon carpet bombing civilians in Lebanon.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 13 2023 11:23 utc | 21
I think the only way to prevent this scenario would be to knock out Haifa and Ashkelon concurrently while sending a message that if any retaliation is carried out Tel Aviv will be levelled by missile fire.
If the agree to a truce, and withdrawal from Gaza, Tel Aviv will be spared.
With the right hand deal destruction, with the left offer peace.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:45 utc | 49

Also suggests, USN carrier aircraft will be soon carpet bombing civilians in Lebanon.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 13 2023 11:23 utc | 21
I think the only way to prevent this scenario would be to knock out Haifa and Ashkelon concurrently while sending a message that if any retaliation is carried out Tel Aviv will be levelled by missile fire.
If the agree to a truce, and withdrawal from Gaza, Tel Aviv will be spared.
With the right hand deal destruction, with the left offer peace.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:45 utc | 50

Yesterday someone posted a Varoufakis tweet, and I wandered off-piste and found a list of atrocities by type that Yanis has assembled: https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2023/10/15/list-of-war-crimes-and-crimes-qualifying-as-genocide-committed-by-israel-in-gaza-since-7th-october-2023/

Defenders of Israel’s bombing and invasion of Gaza have challenged me to offer a ‘chapter-and-verse’ list of war crimes that Israel has committed since the Hamas Offensive of 7th October. Here is an indicative, but not exhaustive, list. There is no doubt: Israel is investing in war crimes to effect its recapture and ethnic cleansing of Gaza while, at the same time, practising similar tactics in the West Bank and East Jerusalem

It’s a quite a list.
“Standing with Israel” means complicity with these crimes, wouldn’t you think? Supplying Israel with arms, intelligence etc would be even more direct involvement, and therefore even more culpable. I wonder when our leaders will start to work it out?
There are 3.8 million Muslims in the UK, and 19 million in Europe which is a fair amount of political pressure. Because of diversity etc, quite a few will be in the police forces – one can only hope that laws will be applied even-handedly by unemotional, unbiased and non-ethnically motivated law enforcement officials, if and when the reckoning comes.
(Two posts in two days; I need a lie down).

Posted by: Occasional poster | Nov 13 2023 11:48 utc | 51

Yesterday someone posted a Varoufakis tweet, and I wandered off-piste and found a list of atrocities by type that Yanis has assembled: https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2023/10/15/list-of-war-crimes-and-crimes-qualifying-as-genocide-committed-by-israel-in-gaza-since-7th-october-2023/

Defenders of Israel’s bombing and invasion of Gaza have challenged me to offer a ‘chapter-and-verse’ list of war crimes that Israel has committed since the Hamas Offensive of 7th October. Here is an indicative, but not exhaustive, list. There is no doubt: Israel is investing in war crimes to effect its recapture and ethnic cleansing of Gaza while, at the same time, practising similar tactics in the West Bank and East Jerusalem

It’s a quite a list.
“Standing with Israel” means complicity with these crimes, wouldn’t you think? Supplying Israel with arms, intelligence etc would be even more direct involvement, and therefore even more culpable. I wonder when our leaders will start to work it out?
There are 3.8 million Muslims in the UK, and 19 million in Europe which is a fair amount of political pressure. Because of diversity etc, quite a few will be in the police forces – one can only hope that laws will be applied even-handedly by unemotional, unbiased and non-ethnically motivated law enforcement officials, if and when the reckoning comes.
(Two posts in two days; I need a lie down).

Posted by: Occasional poster | Nov 13 2023 11:48 utc | 52

I think the only way to prevent this scenario would be to knock out Haifa and Ashkelon concurrently while sending a message that if any retaliation is carried out Tel Aviv will be levelled by missile fire.
If the agree to a truce, and withdrawal from Gaza, Tel Aviv will be spared.
With the right hand deal destruction, with the left offer peace.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:45 utc | 26

this is a silly statement.
Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah have an arsenal with enough explosive firepower to “Level Tel Aviv”
Israel does not fear being leveled,
it fears a Jewish population exodus from the bloodstained state as a result of fear created by relatively small rocket fire explosions.

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 13 2023 11:52 utc | 53

I think the only way to prevent this scenario would be to knock out Haifa and Ashkelon concurrently while sending a message that if any retaliation is carried out Tel Aviv will be levelled by missile fire.
If the agree to a truce, and withdrawal from Gaza, Tel Aviv will be spared.
With the right hand deal destruction, with the left offer peace.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:45 utc | 26

this is a silly statement.
Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah have an arsenal with enough explosive firepower to “Level Tel Aviv”
Israel does not fear being leveled,
it fears a Jewish population exodus from the bloodstained state as a result of fear created by relatively small rocket fire explosions.

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 13 2023 11:52 utc | 54

There was a moment last week that Hindu Sunak seemed to be reaching out towards India from Britain’s permanent base in East Mediterranean.
If Britain wants to cash in on its recent Middle Eastern conquests, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan and Libya and finally create a Greater Israel, then India and the Empire2 Raj will be touching fingertips
just like the Creation of Adam in the Sistine Chapel.
Can Sunak really be that bonkers, and if so, who better to complete the mission for him than the destroyer of Syria and Libya in person. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, by putting the pork sword in the jaws of the unclean.
In Empire End-times it really is every loony for his own pipe-dream.
Meanwhile , over at poor , persecuted Craig Murray’s, he suggests asking the Empire’s Rules Based
institutions to regulate against its own Rules Based member Israel for genociding Palestine. Surely if the pig’s jaws were clenchable, Cameron would have thought twice about inserting his membrum, even for Bullingdon.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 13 2023 11:57 utc | 55

There was a moment last week that Hindu Sunak seemed to be reaching out towards India from Britain’s permanent base in East Mediterranean.
If Britain wants to cash in on its recent Middle Eastern conquests, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan and Libya and finally create a Greater Israel, then India and the Empire2 Raj will be touching fingertips
just like the Creation of Adam in the Sistine Chapel.
Can Sunak really be that bonkers, and if so, who better to complete the mission for him than the destroyer of Syria and Libya in person. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, by putting the pork sword in the jaws of the unclean.
In Empire End-times it really is every loony for his own pipe-dream.
Meanwhile , over at poor , persecuted Craig Murray’s, he suggests asking the Empire’s Rules Based
institutions to regulate against its own Rules Based member Israel for genociding Palestine. Surely if the pig’s jaws were clenchable, Cameron would have thought twice about inserting his membrum, even for Bullingdon.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 13 2023 11:57 utc | 56

by UpToEleven | Nov 13 2023 11:52 utc | 28
Yes, even a small everyday rocket pinpricks can make Israel unlivable place, and that is one of the goals that Hes’bollah can and will do, even without massive levelling strikes.
However, I doubt that they are so impotent, as you claim.
So far, it was rather imprecise bottle rockets and such, but more precise and heavier ordnance are certainly in line and in stock.
A few well aimed rockets on Dizengoff and Haifa, every day, will make Tel Aviv go crazy.
For them, a low level long term rocket/missile fire is unsustainable.
And the train of nipping that in the bud is a long time gone.

Posted by: whirlX | Nov 13 2023 12:24 utc | 57

by UpToEleven | Nov 13 2023 11:52 utc | 28
Yes, even a small everyday rocket pinpricks can make Israel unlivable place, and that is one of the goals that Hes’bollah can and will do, even without massive levelling strikes.
However, I doubt that they are so impotent, as you claim.
So far, it was rather imprecise bottle rockets and such, but more precise and heavier ordnance are certainly in line and in stock.
A few well aimed rockets on Dizengoff and Haifa, every day, will make Tel Aviv go crazy.
For them, a low level long term rocket/missile fire is unsustainable.
And the train of nipping that in the bud is a long time gone.

Posted by: whirlX | Nov 13 2023 12:24 utc | 58

The Guardian in 2016, as if to show what kind of foreign secretary Cameron will be in these turbulent times:
“David Cameron’s intervention in Libya was carried out with no proper intelligence analysis, drifted into an unannounced goal of regime change and shirked its moral responsibility to help reconstruct the country following the fall of Muammar Gaddafi, according to a scathing report by the foreign affairs select committee.
The failures led to the country becoming a failed a state on the verge of all-out civil war, the report adds.
The report, the product of a parliamentary equivalent of the Chilcot inquiry into the Iraq war, closely echoes the criticisms widely made of Tony Blair’s intervention in Iraq, and may yet come to be as damaging to Cameron’s foreign policy legacy.
It concurs with Barack Obama’s assessment that the intervention was “a shitshow”, and repeats the US president’s claim that France and Britain lost interest in Libya after Gaddafi was overthrow.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 12:35 utc | 59

The Guardian in 2016, as if to show what kind of foreign secretary Cameron will be in these turbulent times:
“David Cameron’s intervention in Libya was carried out with no proper intelligence analysis, drifted into an unannounced goal of regime change and shirked its moral responsibility to help reconstruct the country following the fall of Muammar Gaddafi, according to a scathing report by the foreign affairs select committee.
The failures led to the country becoming a failed a state on the verge of all-out civil war, the report adds.
The report, the product of a parliamentary equivalent of the Chilcot inquiry into the Iraq war, closely echoes the criticisms widely made of Tony Blair’s intervention in Iraq, and may yet come to be as damaging to Cameron’s foreign policy legacy.
It concurs with Barack Obama’s assessment that the intervention was “a shitshow”, and repeats the US president’s claim that France and Britain lost interest in Libya after Gaddafi was overthrow.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 12:35 utc | 60

There are 3.8 million Muslims in the UK, and 19 million in Europe which is a fair amount of political pressure.
Posted by: Occasional poster | Nov 13 2023 11:48 utc | 27
Pressure is zero. The number is small, decisions and money are controlled by Israel and US. Look at Meloni, isn’t she sending thousands and thousands to Albanian prisons now in her new “deal”? I’m sure Ursula and Borel can extend this at EU level. Or simply block the accounts of protesters, like Trudy does.

Posted by: rk | Nov 13 2023 12:38 utc | 61

There are 3.8 million Muslims in the UK, and 19 million in Europe which is a fair amount of political pressure.
Posted by: Occasional poster | Nov 13 2023 11:48 utc | 27
Pressure is zero. The number is small, decisions and money are controlled by Israel and US. Look at Meloni, isn’t she sending thousands and thousands to Albanian prisons now in her new “deal”? I’m sure Ursula and Borel can extend this at EU level. Or simply block the accounts of protesters, like Trudy does.

Posted by: rk | Nov 13 2023 12:38 utc | 62

Posted by: rk | Nov 13 2023 12:38 utc | 33
Super interesting, that bit about Meloni.There has been speculation that such parties, on the political right, were pressured to get behind the war in Ukraine in exchange for getting free hands to tighten their countries’ immigration policy. That is why AfD is threatened with a ban in Germany: it did not agree to the first part.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 12:47 utc | 63

Posted by: rk | Nov 13 2023 12:38 utc | 33
Super interesting, that bit about Meloni.There has been speculation that such parties, on the political right, were pressured to get behind the war in Ukraine in exchange for getting free hands to tighten their countries’ immigration policy. That is why AfD is threatened with a ban in Germany: it did not agree to the first part.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 12:47 utc | 64

All you need to know about Suella Braverman’s husband
-proud Jew and Zionist
-has friends in the IDF

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 13 2023 12:55 utc | 65

All you need to know about Suella Braverman’s husband
-proud Jew and Zionist
-has friends in the IDF

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 13 2023 12:55 utc | 66

https://www.unz.com/runz/zionism-anti-semitism-racialism/
the very best article I have read in some time..
MOA does not get it because…its about owning everything, denying and blocking competition and using governments to make others pay the cost of ownership from those who are the governed.
thanks occasional poster @ 26 for your comment and link
List of war crimes and crimes qualifying as genocide committed by Israel in Gaza between 7th & 14th October 2023 – Yanis Varoufakis
https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2023/10/15/list-of-war-crimes-and-crimes-qualifying-as-genocide-committed-by-israel-in-gaza-since-7th-october-2023/

Posted by: snake | Nov 13 2023 13:10 utc | 67

https://www.unz.com/runz/zionism-anti-semitism-racialism/
the very best article I have read in some time..
MOA does not get it because…its about owning everything, denying and blocking competition and using governments to make others pay the cost of ownership from those who are the governed.
thanks occasional poster @ 26 for your comment and link
List of war crimes and crimes qualifying as genocide committed by Israel in Gaza between 7th & 14th October 2023 – Yanis Varoufakis
https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2023/10/15/list-of-war-crimes-and-crimes-qualifying-as-genocide-committed-by-israel-in-gaza-since-7th-october-2023/

Posted by: snake | Nov 13 2023 13:10 utc | 68

Super interesting, that bit about Meloni.There has been speculation that such parties, on the political right, were pressured to get behind the war in Ukraine in exchange for getting free hands to tighten their countries’ immigration policy. That is why AfD is threatened with a ban in Germany: it did not agree to the first part.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 12:47 utc | 32
From here the terms seem slighty different, more like support for Israel/Ukraine being exchanged for full political legitimacy being granted.
Le Pen winning an election used to be anathema, now it will be fine, proper and superdemocratic.

Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 13 2023 13:13 utc | 69

Super interesting, that bit about Meloni.There has been speculation that such parties, on the political right, were pressured to get behind the war in Ukraine in exchange for getting free hands to tighten their countries’ immigration policy. That is why AfD is threatened with a ban in Germany: it did not agree to the first part.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 12:47 utc | 32
From here the terms seem slighty different, more like support for Israel/Ukraine being exchanged for full political legitimacy being granted.
Le Pen winning an election used to be anathema, now it will be fine, proper and superdemocratic.

Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 13 2023 13:13 utc | 70

Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 13 2023 13:13 utc | 35
If that sounds bad, keep an eye on what Trump is now “promising”.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 13:29 utc | 71

Posted by: Satepestage | Nov 13 2023 13:13 utc | 35
If that sounds bad, keep an eye on what Trump is now “promising”.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 13 2023 13:29 utc | 72

(Two posts in two days; I need a lie down).
Posted by: Occasional poster | Nov 13 2023 11:48 utc | 26

Resting is allowed. Thank you for your posts! 🙂
· · · · ·
UpToEleven ( Nov 13 2023 11:52 utc | 27 ):
Maybe not but Iran does have the arsenal and Iran is a clearly documented US-Israeli target.
They don’t have to target Tel Aviv or Haifa though, they can target the ten or so Israeli air force bases instead and wipe those out under UN “right to protect” measures (aka “not war”) to hinder or maybe even stop the bombing of Gaza.
See? It’s legal!
If that’s too bloodthirsty they could talk about the possibility of it in public, maybe against all logic it could work? Maybe worth it?
Perhaps if everybody started telling Israeli what could possibly and reasonably happen it would amount to some kind of pressure?
They could even blame it on pressure from the streets, both locally and around the world.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 13 2023 13:30 utc | 73

(Two posts in two days; I need a lie down).
Posted by: Occasional poster | Nov 13 2023 11:48 utc | 26

Resting is allowed. Thank you for your posts! 🙂
· · · · ·
UpToEleven ( Nov 13 2023 11:52 utc | 27 ):
Maybe not but Iran does have the arsenal and Iran is a clearly documented US-Israeli target.
They don’t have to target Tel Aviv or Haifa though, they can target the ten or so Israeli air force bases instead and wipe those out under UN “right to protect” measures (aka “not war”) to hinder or maybe even stop the bombing of Gaza.
See? It’s legal!
If that’s too bloodthirsty they could talk about the possibility of it in public, maybe against all logic it could work? Maybe worth it?
Perhaps if everybody started telling Israeli what could possibly and reasonably happen it would amount to some kind of pressure?
They could even blame it on pressure from the streets, both locally and around the world.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Nov 13 2023 13:30 utc | 74

Aye b, maybe they will, maybe they’ll start walking it back.
Meanwhile my digging continues.
The US government made a deal with the Saudi Slave Traders at the end of WW2.
The potus himself and Faisal met on a boat in the Suez Canal that guaranteed that all the Oil in SA would be extracted by the SevenSisters hydra which came out of the Original Corporation that took over America.
It means the Saudis can never break free of that DEAL, there was no break clause in it. No lease period afaik. The US bases put there ever since are permanent.
The British Empire had done the same with Persia having started with Kuwait , with the help of … RUSSIA, before stabbing the Czar in the back.
However the Brits had made a better deal 80/20 split!
The Dutch had done the same in the East and elsewhere.
Yanks got 50/50 – still a steal
It is history, not well known or taught but it is indelible.
One just needs to look for it.
The Brits and Yanks teamed up to assassinate the Iranian democracy which wanted much better.
The Iranians resisted with the ayatollahs.
They used Iraq as a proxy under Hussein to kill them , with WMD and million dead that failed so that proxy leader and country got wasted.
It happens with every single proxy that fails to achieve its set goals through history.
France/Napoleon, Germany/Hitler, Iraq/Hussein…Ukraine/‘elensky .
Are Saudi/MBS (all the sheiks) going to go the same route? If they make matey matey with Syria and Iran they will. That flotilla waving the big stick ain’t just about the Resistance.
That’s why they can’t be trusted or the Egyptians or any of the MB stalwarts who have for a century been contracted parties with the Imperialists of AngloEurope , the meat puppets of the pretender Semitic ancients.
The pretender shapeshifters need to forever rid the real semites so that in a hundred or so years they can try again.
Unless they can deploy another new whiz faster. There are always many in the pipeline, on the shelf or being invented. Pseudo religions, pseudo sciences , philosophies , cultural fairytales … actual super weapons like Money and Bank Accounts.
I put social media , AI and GND saviour complexes in these categories.
That Suez Deal of the Century holding or breaking is what we are seeing in the Middle East – there are only 2 proxies big enough and dumb enough that are available right now, Turkey and India/Pakistan. Millions of boots on the ground to die to win for natzios.
Their Peoples should understand how it works out for proxies.
At least the Turks don’t like cricket! Or do they love it?
I have less faith in the Bollywoodised, diasporad subcontinentals – though there are multiple ancient separate peoples/nations within the subcontinent – for example I doubt the Keralans will jump as much as Modi’s BJP propagandised India India kids, when their US/U.K. brethren call for them to die to the last Indian for the Nazios Interests.
I speak for myself only. I’m guessing , I’m learning daily more, I’m crossing my fingers, I’m thinking of Gazans and WB Palestinians, of all or no religions once an hour at least , I’m hoping their collective western terrorists and murderers masters get their karma in their own lifetimes; and those villains heirs are not allowed to keep the wealth and their avaricious desires alive for future centuries.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 13 2023 13:34 utc | 75

Aye b, maybe they will, maybe they’ll start walking it back.
Meanwhile my digging continues.
The US government made a deal with the Saudi Slave Traders at the end of WW2.
The potus himself and Faisal met on a boat in the Suez Canal that guaranteed that all the Oil in SA would be extracted by the SevenSisters hydra which came out of the Original Corporation that took over America.
It means the Saudis can never break free of that DEAL, there was no break clause in it. No lease period afaik. The US bases put there ever since are permanent.
The British Empire had done the same with Persia having started with Kuwait , with the help of … RUSSIA, before stabbing the Czar in the back.
However the Brits had made a better deal 80/20 split!
The Dutch had done the same in the East and elsewhere.
Yanks got 50/50 – still a steal
It is history, not well known or taught but it is indelible.
One just needs to look for it.
The Brits and Yanks teamed up to assassinate the Iranian democracy which wanted much better.
The Iranians resisted with the ayatollahs.
They used Iraq as a proxy under Hussein to kill them , with WMD and million dead that failed so that proxy leader and country got wasted.
It happens with every single proxy that fails to achieve its set goals through history.
France/Napoleon, Germany/Hitler, Iraq/Hussein…Ukraine/‘elensky .
Are Saudi/MBS (all the sheiks) going to go the same route? If they make matey matey with Syria and Iran they will. That flotilla waving the big stick ain’t just about the Resistance.
That’s why they can’t be trusted or the Egyptians or any of the MB stalwarts who have for a century been contracted parties with the Imperialists of AngloEurope , the meat puppets of the pretender Semitic ancients.
The pretender shapeshifters need to forever rid the real semites so that in a hundred or so years they can try again.
Unless they can deploy another new whiz faster. There are always many in the pipeline, on the shelf or being invented. Pseudo religions, pseudo sciences , philosophies , cultural fairytales … actual super weapons like Money and Bank Accounts.
I put social media , AI and GND saviour complexes in these categories.
That Suez Deal of the Century holding or breaking is what we are seeing in the Middle East – there are only 2 proxies big enough and dumb enough that are available right now, Turkey and India/Pakistan. Millions of boots on the ground to die to win for natzios.
Their Peoples should understand how it works out for proxies.
At least the Turks don’t like cricket! Or do they love it?
I have less faith in the Bollywoodised, diasporad subcontinentals – though there are multiple ancient separate peoples/nations within the subcontinent – for example I doubt the Keralans will jump as much as Modi’s BJP propagandised India India kids, when their US/U.K. brethren call for them to die to the last Indian for the Nazios Interests.
I speak for myself only. I’m guessing , I’m learning daily more, I’m crossing my fingers, I’m thinking of Gazans and WB Palestinians, of all or no religions once an hour at least , I’m hoping their collective western terrorists and murderers masters get their karma in their own lifetimes; and those villains heirs are not allowed to keep the wealth and their avaricious desires alive for future centuries.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 13 2023 13:34 utc | 76

At the recent summit in Shady Wahabia, Iran asked the Arab countries present to:-
Break off diplomatic relations with Israel.
Stop supplying oil to Israel.
Close their ports and airports to Israel.
Stop trading with Israel.
Stop security cooperation with Israel.
Their response:-
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
What was their response?
The UN should do something!!!!!!
The ICC should do something!!!!!!
When are they f*****g going to do something??????
That must be really impressive to people on the ground in Gaza, the West Bank and south Lebanon.
Nothing positive will happen, there will be no improvement, until all these utterly contemptible, cringing, servile, worthless, no mark, bought and paid for, corrupt low life Arab backstabbing quisling dictators are strung up from the first convenient lamp post.
How can anybody respect Arab countries

Posted by: anon | Nov 13 2023 13:35 utc | 77

At the recent summit in Shady Wahabia, Iran asked the Arab countries present to:-
Break off diplomatic relations with Israel.
Stop supplying oil to Israel.
Close their ports and airports to Israel.
Stop trading with Israel.
Stop security cooperation with Israel.
Their response:-
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
What was their response?
The UN should do something!!!!!!
The ICC should do something!!!!!!
When are they f*****g going to do something??????
That must be really impressive to people on the ground in Gaza, the West Bank and south Lebanon.
Nothing positive will happen, there will be no improvement, until all these utterly contemptible, cringing, servile, worthless, no mark, bought and paid for, corrupt low life Arab backstabbing quisling dictators are strung up from the first convenient lamp post.
How can anybody respect Arab countries

Posted by: anon | Nov 13 2023 13:35 utc | 78

A march by Anti-Zionist Jews in Washington in support of Palestine: https://t.me/myLordBebo/13234

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 13 2023 13:36 utc | 79

A march by Anti-Zionist Jews in Washington in support of Palestine: https://t.me/myLordBebo/13234

Posted by: Apollyon | Nov 13 2023 13:36 utc | 80

A brilliant essay by Deborah Feldman on what’s at the heart of Germany’s submission of convenience to Israel: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/13/germany-jewish-criticise-israel-tv-debate

Posted by: Ludo | Nov 13 2023 13:41 utc | 81

A brilliant essay by Deborah Feldman on what’s at the heart of Germany’s submission of convenience to Israel: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/13/germany-jewish-criticise-israel-tv-debate

Posted by: Ludo | Nov 13 2023 13:41 utc | 82

@LevDavodich — 11
You are 10000% correct. As a young man, I almost enlisted after 9/11 and I fully bought the propaganda it is better to kill them over there than fight them over here. (that philosophy is still valid, if the facts are right)
But the INTERNET I think, I hope, I pray, has woken up a significant portion of the population, who is just watching and waiting. Maybe not enough, I don’t know. But having the FULL STORY is so key. No one really talks about it though, b/c in countries like Germany, telling the real story can get you thrown in prison. And in countries like America, whilst technically we still have free speech, you will lose your job, friends, many rights such as banking, etc., so I think there is just a silent group that knows the truth but just waits.
I just don’t think the “muslims are all scum and bad” propaganda works anymore. Plus the internet gives realtime updates of war atrocities. IOW, the core of America’s fighters (check out the demographics of US special forces when Biden doxxed them) know that the USA is out of control, actually hates them, and does all it can against their interests and their family’s interests. That’s a brewing powder keg.
Interesting times ahead, for sure.

Posted by: Johnny | Nov 13 2023 13:48 utc | 83

@LevDavodich — 11
You are 10000% correct. As a young man, I almost enlisted after 9/11 and I fully bought the propaganda it is better to kill them over there than fight them over here. (that philosophy is still valid, if the facts are right)
But the INTERNET I think, I hope, I pray, has woken up a significant portion of the population, who is just watching and waiting. Maybe not enough, I don’t know. But having the FULL STORY is so key. No one really talks about it though, b/c in countries like Germany, telling the real story can get you thrown in prison. And in countries like America, whilst technically we still have free speech, you will lose your job, friends, many rights such as banking, etc., so I think there is just a silent group that knows the truth but just waits.
I just don’t think the “muslims are all scum and bad” propaganda works anymore. Plus the internet gives realtime updates of war atrocities. IOW, the core of America’s fighters (check out the demographics of US special forces when Biden doxxed them) know that the USA is out of control, actually hates them, and does all it can against their interests and their family’s interests. That’s a brewing powder keg.
Interesting times ahead, for sure.

Posted by: Johnny | Nov 13 2023 13:48 utc | 84

Gilles Devers is one of the most veteran lawyers in France, who in just 10 days gathered an army of lawyers from all the continents of the world to prosecute Israel for its war crimes against the Palestinians.
Lawyer Giles Devers is promising the Israeli occupation with a dark fate and says to the Palestinians: “You did not have anyone to defend you, but now you have an army to defend you in international and national courts.”
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 13 2023 11:33 utc | 21
God be with you, Gilles Devers

Posted by: canuck | Nov 13 2023 13:58 utc | 85

Gilles Devers is one of the most veteran lawyers in France, who in just 10 days gathered an army of lawyers from all the continents of the world to prosecute Israel for its war crimes against the Palestinians.
Lawyer Giles Devers is promising the Israeli occupation with a dark fate and says to the Palestinians: “You did not have anyone to defend you, but now you have an army to defend you in international and national courts.”
Posted by: Hankster | Nov 13 2023 11:33 utc | 21
God be with you, Gilles Devers

Posted by: canuck | Nov 13 2023 13:58 utc | 86

al jazeera journalist’s entire family killed in Gaza
video
https://youtu.be/hi-F1m5OfPg?t=5

Posted by: ld | Nov 13 2023 14:01 utc | 87

al jazeera journalist’s entire family killed in Gaza
video
https://youtu.be/hi-F1m5OfPg?t=5

Posted by: ld | Nov 13 2023 14:01 utc | 88

Biden administration officials are satisfied that Hezbollah’s leader Hasan Nasrallah’s speeches over the last week didn’t include a call for further escalation and saw that as a sign that their messages were being heard, one source said.
Huh!!??
Can’t Yankees read!?
I had to re-read Nasrallah’s first speech to double check that I didn’t imagine what he said. And I didn’t. He said that the day after alAqsa Flood Hezbollah (coincidentally) launched attacks on Zion.
He also said that because Zion has attacked Gaza, Hesbollah will continue attacking Zion with the intention of diluting the forces the Jews can dedicate to their Gaza mass murder and vandalism.
He didn’t say he will escallate in either of his speeches because he didn’t NEED to. i.e. If his attacks on Zion don’t impact Zion’s Gaza campaign then he WILL escallate because Hezbollah an ‘invincible’ reputation to reinforce and polish. Imo.
The dumbass Yankees seem to have slithered into un-reality mode.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 13 2023 14:14 utc | 89

Biden administration officials are satisfied that Hezbollah’s leader Hasan Nasrallah’s speeches over the last week didn’t include a call for further escalation and saw that as a sign that their messages were being heard, one source said.
Huh!!??
Can’t Yankees read!?
I had to re-read Nasrallah’s first speech to double check that I didn’t imagine what he said. And I didn’t. He said that the day after alAqsa Flood Hezbollah (coincidentally) launched attacks on Zion.
He also said that because Zion has attacked Gaza, Hesbollah will continue attacking Zion with the intention of diluting the forces the Jews can dedicate to their Gaza mass murder and vandalism.
He didn’t say he will escallate in either of his speeches because he didn’t NEED to. i.e. If his attacks on Zion don’t impact Zion’s Gaza campaign then he WILL escallate because Hezbollah an ‘invincible’ reputation to reinforce and polish. Imo.
The dumbass Yankees seem to have slithered into un-reality mode.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 13 2023 14:14 utc | 90

I don’t know why people keep thinking wars are like some kind of movie where there’s an inciting incident and then WHAM, everyone goes all in on the final battle.
In reality, slow and steady wins the race, and Hizbullah is doing magnificently. Aside from their fire attacks, they’ve sent MULTIPLE drones into Israel to do recon.
Every day that Israel is “on a war footing,” is another day that their economy (and public image) continues to crater. And everyone involved (PIJ, Fatah, Hamas. Hizbullah, et al) knows it.
I honestly think there are some real sickos watching these conflicts, hoping for some kind of WW3 apocalypse showdown between ALL versus ALL. No!
Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Nov 13 2023 11:34 utc | 22
Sam , that absolutely right on.
However, I don’t think its ‘sickos’ I think its a thirst for ‘justice’ whatever side they are on. I don’t like any side to suffer casualties but that a Utopian nonsense really.
Also, younger people (I’m 61) are hyped up from their digital world everything as to happen, like the Hollywood movies, at once. I certainly would be like that but growing up in the country we had two shitty channels, shitty redundant content (except my favorite the original Star Trek!) for black and white TV. My mother read alot, a magnificent library so I was lucky but at the time I did it cause there was literally nothing else to do after I did my chores on the farm
In the real world when superpowers and regional powers and small powers and different military groups are waiting on how to tackle with an arrogant flailing Empire who are looking for a fight-patience, diplomacy are needed. Even more than in history because we are now in the nuclear age on a hair trigger wire.
Like Nasrallh he waited a couple of weeks now as IDF entered Gaza he ‘boils the frog’
And I am so embarrassed that not any major western leader hasn’t called for a ‘ceasefire’-you know the old saying , in a free country you can insult everyone except the Powers that Be.
And I feel badly for many Jewish people that are opposed to the Nakba 2 cause after this tragedy their tribe will be tarnished for all time.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 13 2023 14:19 utc | 91

I don’t know why people keep thinking wars are like some kind of movie where there’s an inciting incident and then WHAM, everyone goes all in on the final battle.
In reality, slow and steady wins the race, and Hizbullah is doing magnificently. Aside from their fire attacks, they’ve sent MULTIPLE drones into Israel to do recon.
Every day that Israel is “on a war footing,” is another day that their economy (and public image) continues to crater. And everyone involved (PIJ, Fatah, Hamas. Hizbullah, et al) knows it.
I honestly think there are some real sickos watching these conflicts, hoping for some kind of WW3 apocalypse showdown between ALL versus ALL. No!
Posted by: Sam (in Tiraspol) | Nov 13 2023 11:34 utc | 22
Sam , that absolutely right on.
However, I don’t think its ‘sickos’ I think its a thirst for ‘justice’ whatever side they are on. I don’t like any side to suffer casualties but that a Utopian nonsense really.
Also, younger people (I’m 61) are hyped up from their digital world everything as to happen, like the Hollywood movies, at once. I certainly would be like that but growing up in the country we had two shitty channels, shitty redundant content (except my favorite the original Star Trek!) for black and white TV. My mother read alot, a magnificent library so I was lucky but at the time I did it cause there was literally nothing else to do after I did my chores on the farm
In the real world when superpowers and regional powers and small powers and different military groups are waiting on how to tackle with an arrogant flailing Empire who are looking for a fight-patience, diplomacy are needed. Even more than in history because we are now in the nuclear age on a hair trigger wire.
Like Nasrallh he waited a couple of weeks now as IDF entered Gaza he ‘boils the frog’
And I am so embarrassed that not any major western leader hasn’t called for a ‘ceasefire’-you know the old saying , in a free country you can insult everyone except the Powers that Be.
And I feel badly for many Jewish people that are opposed to the Nakba 2 cause after this tragedy their tribe will be tarnished for all time.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 13 2023 14:19 utc | 92

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:16 utc | 19
Yep, those five American Special Forces were from the 160th Special Operations Air Regiment, obviously not part of a carrier group’s regular complement, and having no business randomly conducting training operations in a war zone. The “Night Stalkers,” as they call themselves, usually support US Special Forces troops on the ground. These casualties, whatever their cause, lend strong credibility to the reports from Gaza of people seeing American Special Forces troops in uniform fighting in Gaza.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 13 2023 14:22 utc | 93

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 11:16 utc | 19
Yep, those five American Special Forces were from the 160th Special Operations Air Regiment, obviously not part of a carrier group’s regular complement, and having no business randomly conducting training operations in a war zone. The “Night Stalkers,” as they call themselves, usually support US Special Forces troops on the ground. These casualties, whatever their cause, lend strong credibility to the reports from Gaza of people seeing American Special Forces troops in uniform fighting in Gaza.

Posted by: Bob | Nov 13 2023 14:22 utc | 94

These casualties, whatever their cause, lend strong credibility to the reports from Gaza of people seeing American Special Forces troops in uniform fighting in Gaza.
Posted by: Bob | Nov 13 2023 14:22 utc | 47
Alexander Mercouris mentioned the other day that Jewish ‘israeli’ members of the Wagner Group had gone to Palestine (or been called) to participate.
If Wagner mercenaries are on the ground in Gaza I see no reason why there’d be a prohibition against U.S Marines, Academi mercenaries …
Makes one wonder if Muslim Wagner mercenaries might be meeting their former Jewish colleagues on opposite sides of the barrel in Gaza.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 14:34 utc | 95

These casualties, whatever their cause, lend strong credibility to the reports from Gaza of people seeing American Special Forces troops in uniform fighting in Gaza.
Posted by: Bob | Nov 13 2023 14:22 utc | 47
Alexander Mercouris mentioned the other day that Jewish ‘israeli’ members of the Wagner Group had gone to Palestine (or been called) to participate.
If Wagner mercenaries are on the ground in Gaza I see no reason why there’d be a prohibition against U.S Marines, Academi mercenaries …
Makes one wonder if Muslim Wagner mercenaries might be meeting their former Jewish colleagues on opposite sides of the barrel in Gaza.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 13 2023 14:34 utc | 96

Chris Hedges explains the broader significance of the Israeli war on Gaza.
This Israeli attack isn’t just targeted against Palestinians, and it isn’t just about Israel.
This attack is about America and its democratic crime partners (like Israel) delivering a chilling threat to the world.
We can kill as many people as we like … and get away with it:
“Israel and the United States are sending a chilling message to the rest of the world. International and humanitarian law, including the Geneva Convention, are meaningless pieces of paper. They did not apply in Iraq. They do not apply in Gaza. We will pulverize your neighborhoods and cities with bombs and missiles. We will wantonly murder your women, children, elderly and sick. We will set up blockades to engineer starvation and the spread of infectious diseases. You, the “lesser breeds” of the earth, do not matter. To us you are vermin to be extinguished. We have everything. If you try and take any of it away from us, we will kill you. And we will never be held accountable.”
Chris Hedges: The Horror, The Horror
https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/11/chris-hedges-the-horror-the-horror/
Hedges is right. For all the horror that Israel has committed, it still has a long way to go to catch up to America in terms of genocidal wars.
According to the Watson Institute at Brown University, America’s post-9/11 wars are responsible for the death of over 4 million people and the displacement of tens of millions.
US post-9/11 wars caused 4.5 million deaths, displaced 38-60 million people, study shows
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/05/18/us-911-wars-million-deaths-displace/
Yet, have America and its allies been held accountable for these crimes against humanity? Have American political and military institutions or individuals been punished for these crimes?
No.
US war criminals like Colin Powell, Madeline Albright, and Donald Rumsfeld die peacefully–as opposed to swinging from the end of a hangman’s noose as they deserve.
This is the America-led Nabka on a planetary scale.

Posted by: ak74 | Nov 13 2023 14:35 utc | 97

Chris Hedges explains the broader significance of the Israeli war on Gaza.
This Israeli attack isn’t just targeted against Palestinians, and it isn’t just about Israel.
This attack is about America and its democratic crime partners (like Israel) delivering a chilling threat to the world.
We can kill as many people as we like … and get away with it:
“Israel and the United States are sending a chilling message to the rest of the world. International and humanitarian law, including the Geneva Convention, are meaningless pieces of paper. They did not apply in Iraq. They do not apply in Gaza. We will pulverize your neighborhoods and cities with bombs and missiles. We will wantonly murder your women, children, elderly and sick. We will set up blockades to engineer starvation and the spread of infectious diseases. You, the “lesser breeds” of the earth, do not matter. To us you are vermin to be extinguished. We have everything. If you try and take any of it away from us, we will kill you. And we will never be held accountable.”
Chris Hedges: The Horror, The Horror
https://scheerpost.com/2023/11/11/chris-hedges-the-horror-the-horror/
Hedges is right. For all the horror that Israel has committed, it still has a long way to go to catch up to America in terms of genocidal wars.
According to the Watson Institute at Brown University, America’s post-9/11 wars are responsible for the death of over 4 million people and the displacement of tens of millions.
US post-9/11 wars caused 4.5 million deaths, displaced 38-60 million people, study shows
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2023/05/18/us-911-wars-million-deaths-displace/
Yet, have America and its allies been held accountable for these crimes against humanity? Have American political and military institutions or individuals been punished for these crimes?
No.
US war criminals like Colin Powell, Madeline Albright, and Donald Rumsfeld die peacefully–as opposed to swinging from the end of a hangman’s noose as they deserve.
This is the America-led Nabka on a planetary scale.

Posted by: ak74 | Nov 13 2023 14:35 utc | 98

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Nov 13 2023 9:49 utc | 1
Thank you b. Short and sweet. And thank you, Satta. My dairyfarming uncle in New Zealand would understand and so dO I. My best childhood education was waking before dawn, hearing him get up to go out for the cows, rain or shine every single day no holidays allowed; then me sitting on the cowshed rail with my cousins every evening at milking time. Labor in and labor out. That dedication is what Nusrallah’s speech expressed. It had to be done and so it was. So it is. And so it will be. No more grasshoppering.
And no, they don’t get it. Grasshoppers all.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 14:41 utc | 99

Posted by: SattaMassaGana | Nov 13 2023 9:49 utc | 1
Thank you b. Short and sweet. And thank you, Satta. My dairyfarming uncle in New Zealand would understand and so dO I. My best childhood education was waking before dawn, hearing him get up to go out for the cows, rain or shine every single day no holidays allowed; then me sitting on the cowshed rail with my cousins every evening at milking time. Labor in and labor out. That dedication is what Nusrallah’s speech expressed. It had to be done and so it was. So it is. And so it will be. No more grasshoppering.
And no, they don’t get it. Grasshoppers all.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 13 2023 14:41 utc | 100