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November 3, 2023
Nasrallah Speech On Gaza

Speech by Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah during the ceremony honoring the martyrs on the road to Al-Quds (as noted down incompletely while listening to AlJazeerah's live translation):

Congratulation to those in Lebanon, Gaza and West Bank who have fallen in the fight since October 7.

Condolence and blessing to their relatives, condolence to the people of Gaza and the West Bank.

Four issues were caused by the stupid Israeli government:

  • Thousands of Palestinian are prisoners of Israel.
  • Al Aqsa and what has been happening there before October 7.
  • Unjust siege of 2 million people for more than 17 years in an open concentration camp in Gaza.
  • Expanding settlements in the West Bank.

The world and its organizations were silent about those points. This while the enemy had become more ferocious and extreme.

A big even was needed to refocus the world: the glorious al-Aqsa Flood operation of October 7.

It was to 100% a Palestinian operation. They were silent and did not tell anyone, not even their allies.

The operation proves that decisions of the resistance factions are in the hands of the respective leaders. The Islamic Republic of Iran had no say in this.

No matter what the enemy has done and will do it can not influence the future and history of what happened and will happen. The operations has shown the fragility of the enemy.

The U.S. and EU government and media have run to the help of the Israelis. Is Israel a strong state with an invincible army when it needs so much support?

It shows that the operation was wise, prudent and successful.

Israel politicians and military were slow to response. They killed their own people during the operations. Testimony from enemy media is showing that those who say Hamas killed civilians during the operation are wrong.

Now they want to annihilate Hamas. That is impossible. They want the hostages back. This will never happen without negotiations.

The 2006 war in Lebanon has proven that. The same will happen in Gaza.

The Israeli army are proving their inability. It destroys thousands of houses and kills thousands of civilians. Is that what an invincible army would do?

By killing innocent civilians you will not gain anything. It only proves the brutal nature of the Zionist regime.

The western media are telling lies about beheaded children. No evidence was produced. But they are silent about what happens in Gaza.

It is the United States that stands in the way of a ceasefire in Gaza. As Khomeni said, it is the greatest devil -  from Hiroshima, to Vietnam to now in Gaza. It must be held responsible for that and should pay the price for that.

Everyone (in the resistance) in all neighboring countries must live up to their responsibility (and attack the U.S.).

The war in Gaza is not just battle. It is decisive event and will change history. We should all do our duty.

The goals are:

  • to end the war in Gaza,
  • to support Hamas in its victory.

It must be a triumph for all people in the region. It is in the interest of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

Arab and Muslim states must work on the prime goal. Condemnation statements are not enough. Boycott them (Israel and U.S.), refuse relations. Cut off oil supplies oil and gas from Israel.

No Arab state can deliver even a truck of goods to Gaza. Are they incapable of acting? No, they should listen to their people and wake up.

We had no knowledge of the Al-Aqsa flood. But on the very next day we started daily operations against Israel. What is taking place on our front is important.

Those who think that Hizbullah should wage total war on Israel – they should look at what is taking place on the Lebanese front. It is unprecedented. It will increase. All of Israel's positions are under siege. It is a different battle than in 2006 in tactics and weapons.

On the border line since October 7 the Israeli army moved out. It pulled all troops to the Gaza front. It called up reserves. Our operations keep the Israeli's army at our front and away from Gaza. A third of the Israeli army is now at our border line. Half of its navy is dedicated to our front. A quarter of its air force is. Half of its Iron Dome missiles. Forty three settlements were evacuated.

If the enemy starts to take action against Lebanon it will be its biggest mistake. 

Even as civilians had to move out our best fighters will stay in the south.

They told us that the U.S. would bomb us. I assure you that it did not change our position. The operation on our front will continue. Any escalation will depend on development of events in Gaza.

Any preemptive attack on Lebanon will be responded to. A civilian killed in Lebanon means a civilian will be killed in Israel. All options on our front are on the table.  They can be executed anytime.

To the Americans: it is pointless to threaten us. Your fleet in the Mediterranean can not cause us to fear. Remember your defeat in Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan.

To the whole world: In the name of the civilians, in the name of the bombed churches and mosques, you have to intervene to end the war in Gaza.

No matter of what our sacrifices are, we should be steadfast. Palestine will win.

We celebrate our fallen fighters. We celebrate the victory of Gaza.

-End of Nasrallah speech-

Probably better than the above was the more extensive live blogging done by L'orient today.

You may also want to read the spot-on preview of the speech as it was given earlier today by Elijah Magnier:

What is the role expected of Hezbollah in the Gaza war?

Comments

If there is a Palestinian State there must be a government and who could it be but Hamas? Whatever else one might think of Lavrov’s Dog, he did a decent job in an earler thread to show that Hamas is indeed the democratically elected government of the whole of Palestine including the West Bank (though considering his other pronouncements I would not put too much stock in this one either). Anyway, nobody gives a crap about Hamas? Not so sure. Though truth be told, in practice the map of Palestine looks like a comb, with the corridors that Israel has put in place there.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 9:58 utc | 701

If there is a Palestinian State there must be a government and who could it be but Hamas? Whatever else one might think of Lavrov’s Dog, he did a decent job in an earler thread to show that Hamas is indeed the democratically elected government of the whole of Palestine including the West Bank (though considering his other pronouncements I would not put too much stock in this one either). Anyway, nobody gives a crap about Hamas? Not so sure. Though truth be told, in practice the map of Palestine looks like a comb, with the corridors that Israel has put in place there.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 9:58 utc | 702

The speech sounds far more truthful than anything coming out of the Israeli government

Posted by: Ruth | Nov 4 2023 9:58 utc | 703

The speech sounds far more truthful than anything coming out of the Israeli government

Posted by: Ruth | Nov 4 2023 9:58 utc | 704

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 4 2023 9:53 utc | 363

Israel appears to be changing its strategy against Iran in the region. Instead of focusing on cutting off the snake’s head, it now seeks out and strikes its proxies across the region.

Tempting ‘israel’ to cut at ten thousand leaves instead of the root is exactly Iran’s strategy.

This new approach could prove very costly to the regime in Tehran.

The approach is not new. This is what has been happening since the Lebanese Civil War.

The reason is simple: A simultaneous war against these proxies can have a dramatic effect on Iran, no less than an attack on Iran itself.

A simultaneous attack on the proxies consumes ‘israel’s’ resources primarily.
The proxies are only partially funded by Iran, so their resources supplement.
A direct attack on Iran, without the buffer of proxies obligate Iran to devote all it’s resources to defense.

It would obligate Iran to employ military capabilities on several fronts and use vast amounts of money to fund these efforts.

But Iran has been doing this for decades, and it’s franchisees bring their own capital to the table.
I would say this analyst has lost the capability of basic logical reasoning.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 10:00 utc | 705

Posted by: Passerby | Nov 4 2023 9:53 utc | 363

Israel appears to be changing its strategy against Iran in the region. Instead of focusing on cutting off the snake’s head, it now seeks out and strikes its proxies across the region.

Tempting ‘israel’ to cut at ten thousand leaves instead of the root is exactly Iran’s strategy.

This new approach could prove very costly to the regime in Tehran.

The approach is not new. This is what has been happening since the Lebanese Civil War.

The reason is simple: A simultaneous war against these proxies can have a dramatic effect on Iran, no less than an attack on Iran itself.

A simultaneous attack on the proxies consumes ‘israel’s’ resources primarily.
The proxies are only partially funded by Iran, so their resources supplement.
A direct attack on Iran, without the buffer of proxies obligate Iran to devote all it’s resources to defense.

It would obligate Iran to employ military capabilities on several fronts and use vast amounts of money to fund these efforts.

But Iran has been doing this for decades, and it’s franchisees bring their own capital to the table.
I would say this analyst has lost the capability of basic logical reasoning.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 10:00 utc | 706

One thing seldom put forward about nuclear industry is that the path chosen early for producing energy with atom is intrinsically connected with manufacturing of nuclear detonating devices.
All nuclear and would be nuclear powers know it intimately.
Had one of them been willing to produce peaceful nuclear power – electricity for civil use – they would have chosen the Thorium pathway – known since the fifties. This pathway does produce clean and much safer electricity (no Chernobyl nor Fukushima in sight with Thorium) but does not allow for plutonium nor enriched uranium which are needed in atomic bomb production.
The fact that they all chose centrifugation and uranium enrichment proves that they aim at atomic bomb production – including when they deny it like Iran for religious reasons or Japan for constitutional reasons.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 4 2023 10:07 utc | 707

One thing seldom put forward about nuclear industry is that the path chosen early for producing energy with atom is intrinsically connected with manufacturing of nuclear detonating devices.
All nuclear and would be nuclear powers know it intimately.
Had one of them been willing to produce peaceful nuclear power – electricity for civil use – they would have chosen the Thorium pathway – known since the fifties. This pathway does produce clean and much safer electricity (no Chernobyl nor Fukushima in sight with Thorium) but does not allow for plutonium nor enriched uranium which are needed in atomic bomb production.
The fact that they all chose centrifugation and uranium enrichment proves that they aim at atomic bomb production – including when they deny it like Iran for religious reasons or Japan for constitutional reasons.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 4 2023 10:07 utc | 708

This has been necessary in order to both secure the lions share of the worlds finite natural resources for the west and to keep others from growing their economies and consuming those resources themselves whereby depleting them much faster and driving up the prices significantly.
The Multipolar progression spells the end of this global dynamic. The growth happening in the Global Majority Countries, where 70 to 80% of the worlds resources reside, is increasing the consumption of those resources and has the potential to more than make up for the decline is those resources being funneled to western countries.
This represents the total collapse of western countries, not recession or depression but collapse. This is the analysis that is missing from all of the internet pundits which makes all analysis incomplete and mostly wrong.
This explains the seemingly belligerent and so called “failing” wars and foreign policy of the US over the last 25+ years.
Posted by: jef | Nov 3 2023 15:23 utc | 18
It is nothing new jef. Please read this
https://moneyontheleft.org/2021/06/14/neoliberalisms-colonial-origins/
Only difference today is normally they don’t send an army in they send their corporations and banks in to asset strip the place. Infuse the rules via trade deals and treaties and spending and debt rules all under the guise of the tax payer money myth. Force countries to export their way to growth like Rome did. Get people to believe in the trickle down tooth fairy.
Since the fall of the Berlin wall and the wall was put on wheels it has been thus. It has been a lesson in economics of NATO written in their charters. The EU constitution.
As discussed here in the late 80’s early 90’s.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BZMVKwmeprY&pp=ygUgQ2hyaXN0b3BoZXIgSGl0Y2hlbnMgZmlyaW5nIGxpbmU%3D

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 10:12 utc | 709

This has been necessary in order to both secure the lions share of the worlds finite natural resources for the west and to keep others from growing their economies and consuming those resources themselves whereby depleting them much faster and driving up the prices significantly.
The Multipolar progression spells the end of this global dynamic. The growth happening in the Global Majority Countries, where 70 to 80% of the worlds resources reside, is increasing the consumption of those resources and has the potential to more than make up for the decline is those resources being funneled to western countries.
This represents the total collapse of western countries, not recession or depression but collapse. This is the analysis that is missing from all of the internet pundits which makes all analysis incomplete and mostly wrong.
This explains the seemingly belligerent and so called “failing” wars and foreign policy of the US over the last 25+ years.
Posted by: jef | Nov 3 2023 15:23 utc | 18
It is nothing new jef. Please read this
https://moneyontheleft.org/2021/06/14/neoliberalisms-colonial-origins/
Only difference today is normally they don’t send an army in they send their corporations and banks in to asset strip the place. Infuse the rules via trade deals and treaties and spending and debt rules all under the guise of the tax payer money myth. Force countries to export their way to growth like Rome did. Get people to believe in the trickle down tooth fairy.
Since the fall of the Berlin wall and the wall was put on wheels it has been thus. It has been a lesson in economics of NATO written in their charters. The EU constitution.
As discussed here in the late 80’s early 90’s.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BZMVKwmeprY&pp=ygUgQ2hyaXN0b3BoZXIgSGl0Y2hlbnMgZmlyaW5nIGxpbmU%3D

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 10:12 utc | 710

No, all Nasrallah has in his hand is a long, tattered scrap of paper with a list of names …
What names, you may ask? The names of Lebanese children, women, men …
And with every action Nasrallah takes he must carefully consider which names to cross out on his tattered, bloody list…
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 3:46 utc | 307
Horrifying but sounds very accurate.

Posted by: pq | Nov 4 2023 10:16 utc | 711

No, all Nasrallah has in his hand is a long, tattered scrap of paper with a list of names …
What names, you may ask? The names of Lebanese children, women, men …
And with every action Nasrallah takes he must carefully consider which names to cross out on his tattered, bloody list…
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 3:46 utc | 307
Horrifying but sounds very accurate.

Posted by: pq | Nov 4 2023 10:16 utc | 712

Another rudimentary search:
Nasrallah is quoted as saying on receiving the news of his son’s death “I am proud to be the father of one of the martyrs”. When the IDF released photos of his son’s body and offered to exchange it for body parts of those killed in the earlier ambush his response was “Keep it. We have many more men like Hadi ready to offer themselves to the struggle”.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 10:26 utc | 713

Another rudimentary search:
Nasrallah is quoted as saying on receiving the news of his son’s death “I am proud to be the father of one of the martyrs”. When the IDF released photos of his son’s body and offered to exchange it for body parts of those killed in the earlier ambush his response was “Keep it. We have many more men like Hadi ready to offer themselves to the struggle”.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 10:26 utc | 714

Posted by: Sir Reginald | Nov 4 2023 9:50 utc | 361
I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis.
Time is on the side of ROW not FUKUS/Israel

Posted by: canuck | Nov 4 2023 10:28 utc | 715

Posted by: Sir Reginald | Nov 4 2023 9:50 utc | 361
I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis.
Time is on the side of ROW not FUKUS/Israel

Posted by: canuck | Nov 4 2023 10:28 utc | 716

Iran as well as Japan are literally hours away from coming out of the closet as nuclear powers.
You wouldnt see arm wrestling such as the present one in ME without it.
Especially when Iran owns thousands of mid-range accurate missiles and God only knows how many nuclear warheads ready to be assembled at once.
About Nasrallah speech, I see diversion above all.
“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak — Sun Tzu. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.”
That speech was meant to distract attention from main to secundary points.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 4 2023 10:35 utc | 717

Iran as well as Japan are literally hours away from coming out of the closet as nuclear powers.
You wouldnt see arm wrestling such as the present one in ME without it.
Especially when Iran owns thousands of mid-range accurate missiles and God only knows how many nuclear warheads ready to be assembled at once.
About Nasrallah speech, I see diversion above all.
“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak — Sun Tzu. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.”
That speech was meant to distract attention from main to secundary points.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 4 2023 10:35 utc | 718

exchange it for body parts of those killed in the earlier ambush his response was “Keep it. We have many more men like Hadi ready to offer themselves to the struggle”.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 10:26 utc | 371
“Skin in the Game.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 10:44 utc | 719

exchange it for body parts of those killed in the earlier ambush his response was “Keep it. We have many more men like Hadi ready to offer themselves to the struggle”.
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 10:26 utc | 371
“Skin in the Game.”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 10:44 utc | 720

Hutch.
The Philippines is an island state. So not exactly pivotal to the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative.
Once again The Philippines is being used as a US military base, while cutting themselves off from the worlds largest economy on their own doorstep.
Not very smart, and likely not sustainable.

Posted by: Glasshopper | Nov 4 2023 10:49 utc | 721

Hutch.
The Philippines is an island state. So not exactly pivotal to the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative.
Once again The Philippines is being used as a US military base, while cutting themselves off from the worlds largest economy on their own doorstep.
Not very smart, and likely not sustainable.

Posted by: Glasshopper | Nov 4 2023 10:49 utc | 722

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 10:44 utc | 374
Speaking of skin in the game, consider this from yesterday:
Israel has called up 360,000 reservists as it goes to war with Hamas. But Benjamin Netanyahu’s son is not one of them
And also this from August this year:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s son must compensate a woman who sued him after he implied she was having an affair with his father’s chief political opponent, a court ruled Wednesday.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 10:52 utc | 723

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 10:44 utc | 374
Speaking of skin in the game, consider this from yesterday:
Israel has called up 360,000 reservists as it goes to war with Hamas. But Benjamin Netanyahu’s son is not one of them
And also this from August this year:
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s son must compensate a woman who sued him after he implied she was having an affair with his father’s chief political opponent, a court ruled Wednesday.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 10:52 utc | 724

… But an attack by Hezbollah, Iran or somebody else is not going to stop this carnage immediately. It may even become easier for Israel to obliterate Gaza entirely in the fog of the regional war. …
Posted by: Jhaji | Nov 4 2023 6:48 utc | 326

That does seem to be the truth of it.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 4 2023 10:54 utc | 725

… But an attack by Hezbollah, Iran or somebody else is not going to stop this carnage immediately. It may even become easier for Israel to obliterate Gaza entirely in the fog of the regional war. …
Posted by: Jhaji | Nov 4 2023 6:48 utc | 326

That does seem to be the truth of it.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 4 2023 10:54 utc | 726

Posted by: Phil R | Nov 3 2023 22:41 utc | 221
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
Strategic!

Posted by: AI | Nov 4 2023 10:55 utc | 727

Posted by: Phil R | Nov 3 2023 22:41 utc | 221
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
Strategic!

Posted by: AI | Nov 4 2023 10:55 utc | 728

All that Iran, Syria and Hezbollah have to do is keep up low level, niggling attacks so the US and allies can’t relax, and wait them out.
Those carrier groups can’t stay on high alert forever. They will have breakdowns and will need to rotate crew and resupply. A massive drain on the US finances.
Now the IDF is committed to more barbarity and are fully committed to the ground assault they never wanted.They are losing friends and allies by the day while fractures between political parties, government and army, and civilian groups continue to grow.
Israel will implode from within.
Posted by: Sir Reginald | Nov 4 2023 9:50 utc | 361
Not a “massive drain”, won’t even feel it. A few can stay “forever”, while one by one each nation is turned into Gaza with the others left to watch or catch some nukes. Israel will continue as today, their losses are minimal and their economy will be fueled by US like Ukr, but their soldiers will be joined by US, Germany, France and others as can be seen from their own public plans these days. The losers will shrink in territory, lose resources and die, a variation of the successful strategy discovered in Ukr and Syria. In Ukr is more of a terrorism+destruction method, an invasion won’t work but other things will. For example Russia still complains they will be hit by dirty bombs (they seem to have no doubts about it from what I can understand from Patrushev’s speech at “Russia” forum).
Today Israel+US hit multiple locations in Lebanon. Another large batch of civilians killed in Gaza shortly after Nas’ speech. No one cares about Nas, it’s on the same level with Russia’s endless complaints.

Posted by: rk | Nov 4 2023 10:55 utc | 729

All that Iran, Syria and Hezbollah have to do is keep up low level, niggling attacks so the US and allies can’t relax, and wait them out.
Those carrier groups can’t stay on high alert forever. They will have breakdowns and will need to rotate crew and resupply. A massive drain on the US finances.
Now the IDF is committed to more barbarity and are fully committed to the ground assault they never wanted.They are losing friends and allies by the day while fractures between political parties, government and army, and civilian groups continue to grow.
Israel will implode from within.
Posted by: Sir Reginald | Nov 4 2023 9:50 utc | 361
Not a “massive drain”, won’t even feel it. A few can stay “forever”, while one by one each nation is turned into Gaza with the others left to watch or catch some nukes. Israel will continue as today, their losses are minimal and their economy will be fueled by US like Ukr, but their soldiers will be joined by US, Germany, France and others as can be seen from their own public plans these days. The losers will shrink in territory, lose resources and die, a variation of the successful strategy discovered in Ukr and Syria. In Ukr is more of a terrorism+destruction method, an invasion won’t work but other things will. For example Russia still complains they will be hit by dirty bombs (they seem to have no doubts about it from what I can understand from Patrushev’s speech at “Russia” forum).
Today Israel+US hit multiple locations in Lebanon. Another large batch of civilians killed in Gaza shortly after Nas’ speech. No one cares about Nas, it’s on the same level with Russia’s endless complaints.

Posted by: rk | Nov 4 2023 10:55 utc | 730

Posted by: Dave | Nov 3 2023 22:42 utc | 223
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
Today, ukraine is as corrupt as the usa congress and senate…. no difference there.

Posted by: AI | Nov 4 2023 10:58 utc | 731

Posted by: Dave | Nov 3 2023 22:42 utc | 223
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
Today, ukraine is as corrupt as the usa congress and senate…. no difference there.

Posted by: AI | Nov 4 2023 10:58 utc | 732

The losers will shrink in territory, lose resources and die, a variation of the successful strategy discovered in Ukr and Syria.
Posted by: rk | Nov 4 2023 10:55 utc | 379
“Ukraine’s breakaway territories in the Donbass region have abundant natural resources and, thus, make the area economically very feasible for the future.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 11:10 utc | 733

The losers will shrink in territory, lose resources and die, a variation of the successful strategy discovered in Ukr and Syria.
Posted by: rk | Nov 4 2023 10:55 utc | 379
“Ukraine’s breakaway territories in the Donbass region have abundant natural resources and, thus, make the area economically very feasible for the future.”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 11:10 utc | 734

Watch Dimona.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 4 2023 11:11 utc | 735

Watch Dimona.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Nov 4 2023 11:11 utc | 736

Nasrallah’s speech mostly pertains to international relationships — in flux at this inflection point in history. The flesh of Palestinian children, torn and spattered all over our screens by US American bombs, week after week of atrocity escalation from Israel… it’s enough. Human beings — even psuedo humans such as Wolf Blitzer — are produced with a certain innate threshold for the sheer weight of murderous depravity which is tolerable. What happens after that limit is exceeded changes people and relationships in unpredictable ways, all over the world. A side-effect of genocidal processes will be new empathies and antipathies. “Palestine now divides us” Mohamed Seif el Nasr observes:

So, for the people of conscience in the Global North who are standing with the Palestinians in any way they can, for those marching, writing, and speaking up, thank you for giving us hope in humanity in our darkest hour and not allowing us to turn into complete monsters as our enemies want us to.
And for the other ones, for those who are running this horror show in Gaza or facilitating it, for those who are murdering and collectively punishing the innocent men and women and the children of the earth, for those who know there are children trapped in darkness under the rubble of bombed buildings, who are dying of thirst and hunger and are still against a ceasefire, for those who have revealed the wickedness of their hearts and the darkness of their souls, know that we now see you for who you are. The masks have fallen, and millions of us are opening up our eyes to the realization of how much you hate and dehumanize us. Millions of us are radicalized and ready to adopt the ideas and narratives of any group, only if it will fight or oppose you. Whatever doctrine there is — Islamist, Communist, or Nihilist — millions of us are ready to espouse it only if it will take a stand against you.
Palestine now divides us.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/palestine-now-divides-us/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 4 2023 11:22 utc | 737

Nasrallah’s speech mostly pertains to international relationships — in flux at this inflection point in history. The flesh of Palestinian children, torn and spattered all over our screens by US American bombs, week after week of atrocity escalation from Israel… it’s enough. Human beings — even psuedo humans such as Wolf Blitzer — are produced with a certain innate threshold for the sheer weight of murderous depravity which is tolerable. What happens after that limit is exceeded changes people and relationships in unpredictable ways, all over the world. A side-effect of genocidal processes will be new empathies and antipathies. “Palestine now divides us” Mohamed Seif el Nasr observes:

So, for the people of conscience in the Global North who are standing with the Palestinians in any way they can, for those marching, writing, and speaking up, thank you for giving us hope in humanity in our darkest hour and not allowing us to turn into complete monsters as our enemies want us to.
And for the other ones, for those who are running this horror show in Gaza or facilitating it, for those who are murdering and collectively punishing the innocent men and women and the children of the earth, for those who know there are children trapped in darkness under the rubble of bombed buildings, who are dying of thirst and hunger and are still against a ceasefire, for those who have revealed the wickedness of their hearts and the darkness of their souls, know that we now see you for who you are. The masks have fallen, and millions of us are opening up our eyes to the realization of how much you hate and dehumanize us. Millions of us are radicalized and ready to adopt the ideas and narratives of any group, only if it will fight or oppose you. Whatever doctrine there is — Islamist, Communist, or Nihilist — millions of us are ready to espouse it only if it will take a stand against you.
Palestine now divides us.

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/palestine-now-divides-us/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Nov 4 2023 11:22 utc | 738

Far be it from me to demand civility while a genocide is happening, the emotions are too much to expect strictly the best of humanity. Such expectations of perfection denies the step-by-step efforts towards the good. That said, I ask people to retain the precision, lest you lose yourself in othering and let free the real villains once again in the ensuing melee.
There is a reason we separate with words the “broad abstraction for a group of people (who as a collection of individuals cannot be a homogeneous monolith)” versus the “main actors of violence.” When you want to nail such vile fuckers to the wall, you best not miss, hence a desire to avoid non-combatants. I’d like to think we can walk and chew gum at the same time, as Nasrallah has shown in his speech above retaining both indignant fury and focused purpose.
So, if you can, let us retain the distinction between: Jews v. Zionists, Palestinians v. Non-State Actors, nation’s peoples v. government or cabal, etc. Leashing our reason and emotion together gives us both necessary wings to let fly our will in the direction we want.
And if we fail, well, to err is human. I at least will forgive you (and likely juliana, too). 🙂 Hope you can forgive me. Please let us try again in the future. 🙂 Our better selves will be what saves us from our worse selves in such trying times.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 4 2023 11:27 utc | 739

Far be it from me to demand civility while a genocide is happening, the emotions are too much to expect strictly the best of humanity. Such expectations of perfection denies the step-by-step efforts towards the good. That said, I ask people to retain the precision, lest you lose yourself in othering and let free the real villains once again in the ensuing melee.
There is a reason we separate with words the “broad abstraction for a group of people (who as a collection of individuals cannot be a homogeneous monolith)” versus the “main actors of violence.” When you want to nail such vile fuckers to the wall, you best not miss, hence a desire to avoid non-combatants. I’d like to think we can walk and chew gum at the same time, as Nasrallah has shown in his speech above retaining both indignant fury and focused purpose.
So, if you can, let us retain the distinction between: Jews v. Zionists, Palestinians v. Non-State Actors, nation’s peoples v. government or cabal, etc. Leashing our reason and emotion together gives us both necessary wings to let fly our will in the direction we want.
And if we fail, well, to err is human. I at least will forgive you (and likely juliana, too). 🙂 Hope you can forgive me. Please let us try again in the future. 🙂 Our better selves will be what saves us from our worse selves in such trying times.

Posted by: titmouse | Nov 4 2023 11:27 utc | 740

Details on U.S./U.K/Israeli/UAE plan to force Palestinians into Iraq
This piece in The Cradle details the ethnic cleansing plan from 2019.
“The settlement of Palestinians in the Anbar desert, western Iraq, has become a topic of renewed discussion among Iraqis, thanks to the US-championed “Deal of the Century.”
“The discussion surrounding the Israeli plan to displace the population of the Gaza Strip coincided with the unannounced visit of British Ambassador to Iraq Stephen Charles Hitchen to Anbar Governorate. Hitchen headed up the UK Foreign Office’s Iran Political Team at the start of the Arab uprisings, and moved up the ranks quickly to direct national security efforts in the entire region.”
My guess is that Nazrallah, Iran, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey and Syria are well aware of the “plan” and are positioned to thwart it but pressure to open Rafah first and let them into the Sinai is probably very strong. Arab/Iranian/Turk countries know the next phases will bring a huge escalation. Hezbollah will likely escalate along with Houtis and Iraqi/Syria militias.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/iraqis-warn-of-western-plan-to-move-gazans-to-anbar-desert

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 4 2023 11:44 utc | 741

Details on U.S./U.K/Israeli/UAE plan to force Palestinians into Iraq
This piece in The Cradle details the ethnic cleansing plan from 2019.
“The settlement of Palestinians in the Anbar desert, western Iraq, has become a topic of renewed discussion among Iraqis, thanks to the US-championed “Deal of the Century.”
“The discussion surrounding the Israeli plan to displace the population of the Gaza Strip coincided with the unannounced visit of British Ambassador to Iraq Stephen Charles Hitchen to Anbar Governorate. Hitchen headed up the UK Foreign Office’s Iran Political Team at the start of the Arab uprisings, and moved up the ranks quickly to direct national security efforts in the entire region.”
My guess is that Nazrallah, Iran, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey and Syria are well aware of the “plan” and are positioned to thwart it but pressure to open Rafah first and let them into the Sinai is probably very strong. Arab/Iranian/Turk countries know the next phases will bring a huge escalation. Hezbollah will likely escalate along with Houtis and Iraqi/Syria militias.
https://new.thecradle.co/articles/iraqis-warn-of-western-plan-to-move-gazans-to-anbar-desert

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 4 2023 11:44 utc | 742

I think the Empire is scared.
Terrified, actually.
–me

Wrong-o….
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:14 utc | 291

That’s why the Empire of Delusions splashes cash around for trolls to spread FUD…not!
Sure, it’s just pocket change for the Empire’s oligarchs; hardly worth noticing. But those oligarchs do notice. They didn’t get where they are by being generous and compassionate philanthropists. Quite the opposite. Despite the nonsense from the Magic Money Tree (MMT) morons we get in these threads, the oligarchs are well aware that the FED running the printing presses dilutes the value of their liquid capital, so from their perspective the money spent by the State Department and SOCOM is their money. Since Israel is just an imperial military base wholly dependent upon the Empire for its existence, even monies spent on the hasbara trash ultimately comes from the oligarchs’ change purses, as they see it.
So Hamas’ actions have the people who really matter in the Empire (not you malenkov, you’re just a social media troll; the lowest level of imperial bootlicker) fouling their Depends®. These threads about Occupied Palestine being blown up to several hundreds of posts by obvious paid trolls is empirical evidence that you are wrong and the bosses of the Empire of Delusions are in panic mode.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 11:45 utc | 743

I think the Empire is scared.
Terrified, actually.
–me

Wrong-o….
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:14 utc | 291

That’s why the Empire of Delusions splashes cash around for trolls to spread FUD…not!
Sure, it’s just pocket change for the Empire’s oligarchs; hardly worth noticing. But those oligarchs do notice. They didn’t get where they are by being generous and compassionate philanthropists. Quite the opposite. Despite the nonsense from the Magic Money Tree (MMT) morons we get in these threads, the oligarchs are well aware that the FED running the printing presses dilutes the value of their liquid capital, so from their perspective the money spent by the State Department and SOCOM is their money. Since Israel is just an imperial military base wholly dependent upon the Empire for its existence, even monies spent on the hasbara trash ultimately comes from the oligarchs’ change purses, as they see it.
So Hamas’ actions have the people who really matter in the Empire (not you malenkov, you’re just a social media troll; the lowest level of imperial bootlicker) fouling their Depends®. These threads about Occupied Palestine being blown up to several hundreds of posts by obvious paid trolls is empirical evidence that you are wrong and the bosses of the Empire of Delusions are in panic mode.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 11:45 utc | 744

Posted by: Hutch | Nov 4 2023 5:01 utc | 314
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
The world won’t stop because Philippines exiting BRICS projects that’s for sure. There will be a day when they will be knocking on the door.

Posted by: AI | Nov 4 2023 11:46 utc | 745

Posted by: Hutch | Nov 4 2023 5:01 utc | 314
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
The world won’t stop because Philippines exiting BRICS projects that’s for sure. There will be a day when they will be knocking on the door.

Posted by: AI | Nov 4 2023 11:46 utc | 746

The elephant in the room is that the disproportionate answer of the Usraelis has for unique goal to provoke Iran and Hizbollah into the party and thus allow the US to enter more officially, as well as being able to play the Sunni/Shii divide.
No one in the Arab world believes in a “victory” of the Palestinians but the ppl and the leaders know that only a global solution will restore peace and justice to follow its course. This means the “right of return” of all the Palestinian refugees or compensation, i.e sharing the land and its resources. Of course that also means intl forces on the ground under the double lead of the Arab countries and the West.
Less than that is no solution.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 11:51 utc | 747

The elephant in the room is that the disproportionate answer of the Usraelis has for unique goal to provoke Iran and Hizbollah into the party and thus allow the US to enter more officially, as well as being able to play the Sunni/Shii divide.
No one in the Arab world believes in a “victory” of the Palestinians but the ppl and the leaders know that only a global solution will restore peace and justice to follow its course. This means the “right of return” of all the Palestinian refugees or compensation, i.e sharing the land and its resources. Of course that also means intl forces on the ground under the double lead of the Arab countries and the West.
Less than that is no solution.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 11:51 utc | 748

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 9:34 utc | 353
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
It sounds like another Western piece of propaganda to me. ABC probably meant IDF if any thai hostages at all.

Posted by: AI | Nov 4 2023 11:53 utc | 749

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 9:34 utc | 353
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/+++++
It sounds like another Western piece of propaganda to me. ABC probably meant IDF if any thai hostages at all.

Posted by: AI | Nov 4 2023 11:53 utc | 750

re Sandy Freeman | Nov 4 2023 3:37 utc | 305 and the usual tirade of feigned intellectually superior sounding twaddle it contained, why is anyone one responding to such a mob of tosh? There isn’t a good reason to deal with an obviously small person who seems to crave a need to lord it over those who allow him/her to blag them into it.
As long as this assortment of twerps and twats who have caught a recent wave in, accompanied by the inevitable repeat current thought mob, drowning out other more contemplative, new posters who’re coming around here, these boards are difficult to justify posting to.
The continual sledging that this Freeman has been rabbiting since he turned up, combined with the background noise of posts repeating the truism of the hour makes posting on an issue worthy of sensible discussion, not cliches, impossible.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 4 2023 12:06 utc | 751

re Sandy Freeman | Nov 4 2023 3:37 utc | 305 and the usual tirade of feigned intellectually superior sounding twaddle it contained, why is anyone one responding to such a mob of tosh? There isn’t a good reason to deal with an obviously small person who seems to crave a need to lord it over those who allow him/her to blag them into it.
As long as this assortment of twerps and twats who have caught a recent wave in, accompanied by the inevitable repeat current thought mob, drowning out other more contemplative, new posters who’re coming around here, these boards are difficult to justify posting to.
The continual sledging that this Freeman has been rabbiting since he turned up, combined with the background noise of posts repeating the truism of the hour makes posting on an issue worthy of sensible discussion, not cliches, impossible.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Nov 4 2023 12:06 utc | 752

Re: De-dollarization
Real negative effects of de-dollarization won’t be felt until 2027.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 8:01 utc | 346
De dollarization is occurring right now. The irony is that one is seeing DXY (an index that describes US dollar value against competing currencies)is higher -105 at last look-that’s because as countries, companies a pay back their dollar debts (they pay back for two major resons-1. Getting rid of the currency debt for a political act 2. Dollar interest rates are at a 20 year high so the interest payments become expensive.) the dollar value temporarily appreciates.
I would agree that it will take two or three years to sort this out-2027 is as good a guess as any.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 4 2023 12:07 utc | 753

Re: De-dollarization
Real negative effects of de-dollarization won’t be felt until 2027.
Posted by: Exile | Nov 4 2023 8:01 utc | 346
De dollarization is occurring right now. The irony is that one is seeing DXY (an index that describes US dollar value against competing currencies)is higher -105 at last look-that’s because as countries, companies a pay back their dollar debts (they pay back for two major resons-1. Getting rid of the currency debt for a political act 2. Dollar interest rates are at a 20 year high so the interest payments become expensive.) the dollar value temporarily appreciates.
I would agree that it will take two or three years to sort this out-2027 is as good a guess as any.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 4 2023 12:07 utc | 754

Despite the nonsense from the Magic Money Tree (MMT) morons we get in these threads, the oligarchs are well aware that the FED running the printing presses dilutes the value of their liquid capital.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 11:45 utc | 386
Can you expand on that William and we will soon find out who is the Moron who has never looked at a balance sheet once in his life.
C’mon let’s debate the issue and show me your GROUPTHINK. I’m ready are you ? Especially when it is the Oligarchs that hold most of the bonds and have received HUGE interest payments.
Explain to me how printing presses ( even though that’s not how it works at all ) diluted the value of their liquid capital ?
Then explain why bank lending doesn’t do the very same thing ?
I’ll sit back and watch while you get your Monetarists knickers in a twist.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 12:23 utc | 755

Despite the nonsense from the Magic Money Tree (MMT) morons we get in these threads, the oligarchs are well aware that the FED running the printing presses dilutes the value of their liquid capital.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 11:45 utc | 386
Can you expand on that William and we will soon find out who is the Moron who has never looked at a balance sheet once in his life.
C’mon let’s debate the issue and show me your GROUPTHINK. I’m ready are you ? Especially when it is the Oligarchs that hold most of the bonds and have received HUGE interest payments.
Explain to me how printing presses ( even though that’s not how it works at all ) diluted the value of their liquid capital ?
Then explain why bank lending doesn’t do the very same thing ?
I’ll sit back and watch while you get your Monetarists knickers in a twist.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 12:23 utc | 756

Details on U.S./U.K/Israeli/UAE plan to force Palestinians into Iraq
This piece in The Cradle details the ethnic cleansing plan from 2019.
“The settlement of Palestinians in the Anbar desert, western Iraq, has become a topic of renewed discussion among Iraqis, thanks to the US-championed “Deal of the Century.”

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 4 2023 11:44 utc | 385
Sounds like another round the US attempts to break up Iraq, which were so much in vogue during the occupation. There was a new plan every few months.
This one is definitely not a goer. Baghdad would never agree. It would mean a considerably increased Sunni population, and that would be seen as a threat to the Shi’a government of Baghdad.
The British ambassador’s visit could also have been linked to the fact that the massive Ain al-Asad US airbase is located in Anbar province. Dealing with nuisances to the local pop. could have been a reason for his visit.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 4 2023 12:29 utc | 757

Details on U.S./U.K/Israeli/UAE plan to force Palestinians into Iraq
This piece in The Cradle details the ethnic cleansing plan from 2019.
“The settlement of Palestinians in the Anbar desert, western Iraq, has become a topic of renewed discussion among Iraqis, thanks to the US-championed “Deal of the Century.”

Posted by: migueljose | Nov 4 2023 11:44 utc | 385
Sounds like another round the US attempts to break up Iraq, which were so much in vogue during the occupation. There was a new plan every few months.
This one is definitely not a goer. Baghdad would never agree. It would mean a considerably increased Sunni population, and that would be seen as a threat to the Shi’a government of Baghdad.
The British ambassador’s visit could also have been linked to the fact that the massive Ain al-Asad US airbase is located in Anbar province. Dealing with nuisances to the local pop. could have been a reason for his visit.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 4 2023 12:29 utc | 758

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 11:45 utc | 386
“So Hamas’ actions have the people who really matter in the Empire (not you malenkov, you’re just a social media troll; the lowest level of imperial bootlicker) fouling their Depends®. These threads about Occupied Palestine being blown up to several hundreds of posts by obvious paid trolls is empirical evidence that you are wrong and the bosses of the Empire of Delusions are in panic mode.”
Immensely articulate post-perhaps a touch bit tawdry [although deliciously funny, editor] against the riff raff of whom I don’t even give my attention- the US/City of London/EU is indeed in a panic mode.
These Vampires aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer but they can count. The Blob cannot sustain itself without further pillage as the Sovereign debt is enormous, the social costs are spiraling upwards, their peers are getting stronger they have to have a big war.
Interestingly, ironically the solution to the Depression/deflation was WW2-now that the West is trending towards a hyperinflation we also need a war.
The Russian economist Kondratieff and his 80 year cycle seems to be proven correct.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 4 2023 12:31 utc | 759

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 11:45 utc | 386
“So Hamas’ actions have the people who really matter in the Empire (not you malenkov, you’re just a social media troll; the lowest level of imperial bootlicker) fouling their Depends®. These threads about Occupied Palestine being blown up to several hundreds of posts by obvious paid trolls is empirical evidence that you are wrong and the bosses of the Empire of Delusions are in panic mode.”
Immensely articulate post-perhaps a touch bit tawdry [although deliciously funny, editor] against the riff raff of whom I don’t even give my attention- the US/City of London/EU is indeed in a panic mode.
These Vampires aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer but they can count. The Blob cannot sustain itself without further pillage as the Sovereign debt is enormous, the social costs are spiraling upwards, their peers are getting stronger they have to have a big war.
Interestingly, ironically the solution to the Depression/deflation was WW2-now that the West is trending towards a hyperinflation we also need a war.
The Russian economist Kondratieff and his 80 year cycle seems to be proven correct.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 4 2023 12:31 utc | 760

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 2 2023 17:39 utc | 100
The eternal question, if the Empire is the dog that wags its tail (Zionists), or if it is the tail that wags the dog, you obviously decided in favor of the second option.
Indeed one gets the impression that the tail wags the dog when considering Nuland and Blinken, both jews of Straussian heritage, having the US State Department under their control. That Nuland is indeed calling the shots there, is an observation communicated by former pentagon official Michael Maloof…

Acc to Peter Myers, studying this for decades, there are four main conspiratorial thrusts.
US-UK Empire (the Hegemon, pro nation states)
Globalist (communist, one world order, anti nation states, illuminati of old)
Zionist – fulfilling the promise inherent in the belief of being a superior Chosen tribe destined to rule the world, who make God in their own image for material ends)
Trotskyoid (transhumanists, depopulation, genetic modification, AI, materialist ‘scientism’ reaching its natural conclusion – inhuman psychotic insanity)
These are all tails wagging dogs. They sometimes collaborate, sometimes clash. They use national systems as cover – like Democracy – which they secretly re-purpose. They have deep pockets and work multi-generationally. Their people are intelligent, dedicated and often sociopathic.
Looks like Empire based in US-UK-5eyes is under siege – the RoW natives are restless; but another might rise.
The Globalists have the upper hand, using Trotskyoid means to undermine the West from within. Not hard given their civilizational immaturity albeit regularly throwing up true genius and beauty.
Zionists help in this because superiority thrives on scorning others; they also use Empire to acquire wealth, influence and their tribal Homeland. Being cosmopolitan, trans-national traders, running their own nation doesn’t fit their subversive skill sets – hence the mess.
The Trotskyoids had a field day with Covid and genetic modification experiments now lowering life expectancy and fertility as intended. AI next.
Most analysis picks one of the above and thus fails to grasp the bigger, more complex, picture.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 4 2023 12:40 utc | 761

Posted by: grunzt | Nov 2 2023 17:39 utc | 100
The eternal question, if the Empire is the dog that wags its tail (Zionists), or if it is the tail that wags the dog, you obviously decided in favor of the second option.
Indeed one gets the impression that the tail wags the dog when considering Nuland and Blinken, both jews of Straussian heritage, having the US State Department under their control. That Nuland is indeed calling the shots there, is an observation communicated by former pentagon official Michael Maloof…

Acc to Peter Myers, studying this for decades, there are four main conspiratorial thrusts.
US-UK Empire (the Hegemon, pro nation states)
Globalist (communist, one world order, anti nation states, illuminati of old)
Zionist – fulfilling the promise inherent in the belief of being a superior Chosen tribe destined to rule the world, who make God in their own image for material ends)
Trotskyoid (transhumanists, depopulation, genetic modification, AI, materialist ‘scientism’ reaching its natural conclusion – inhuman psychotic insanity)
These are all tails wagging dogs. They sometimes collaborate, sometimes clash. They use national systems as cover – like Democracy – which they secretly re-purpose. They have deep pockets and work multi-generationally. Their people are intelligent, dedicated and often sociopathic.
Looks like Empire based in US-UK-5eyes is under siege – the RoW natives are restless; but another might rise.
The Globalists have the upper hand, using Trotskyoid means to undermine the West from within. Not hard given their civilizational immaturity albeit regularly throwing up true genius and beauty.
Zionists help in this because superiority thrives on scorning others; they also use Empire to acquire wealth, influence and their tribal Homeland. Being cosmopolitan, trans-national traders, running their own nation doesn’t fit their subversive skill sets – hence the mess.
The Trotskyoids had a field day with Covid and genetic modification experiments now lowering life expectancy and fertility as intended. AI next.
Most analysis picks one of the above and thus fails to grasp the bigger, more complex, picture.

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 4 2023 12:40 utc | 762

Since 1913 when the Fed was founded inflation in the USA has consistently risen at 3.5% per year on average. One might assume that this means the country has experienced some great injustice, but the truth is that the 1900’s were characterised by the greatest economic expansion and wealth creation the world has ever seen.
Despite the common citation that “the $USD has lost 90% of its value” from the right wing Monetarist morons. That gets repeated ad nauseum by inflation truthers, gold bugs, Fed haters, and all of their fellow travelers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/this-chart-destroys-that-famous-myth-about-the-dollar-losing-90-of-its-value-2013-11?op=1&r=US&IR=T
They also completely ignore productivity gains over the decades and of course wage increases.. Ignoring these equates to ideological driven Looney tunes.
Of course,they don’t even consider the fact that most people earn an inflation adjusted income over the course of their lives while their savings grows.
Hyperinflationsts like to claim that the USD has lost 99% of its purchasing power, when, in fact, the average American earns 50X what the global poor earn. In global terms, the average American is in the top 1% of wealth and income. Not only has the Dollar not been debased over this period, its citizens have enjoyed an unmatched period of prosperity, wealth and income generation.
All you have to do is look at an old photo album and compare how your relatives lived back then to today and the money printer going Brrrrrrrr has improved everybody’s lives. Difficult to argue with the economic outcomes of the USA when living standards and economic outcomes have been phenomenal across so many metrics when compared to the early 1900s.
These “death of the dollar” narratives always exaggerate the issue. Driven by ideological nonsense. Always built on wrong assumptions in their fancy equations below. Equations that have NEVER made any sense.
MV = Py
https://realprogressives.org/money-growth-does-not-cause-inflation/

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 12:48 utc | 763

Since 1913 when the Fed was founded inflation in the USA has consistently risen at 3.5% per year on average. One might assume that this means the country has experienced some great injustice, but the truth is that the 1900’s were characterised by the greatest economic expansion and wealth creation the world has ever seen.
Despite the common citation that “the $USD has lost 90% of its value” from the right wing Monetarist morons. That gets repeated ad nauseum by inflation truthers, gold bugs, Fed haters, and all of their fellow travelers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/this-chart-destroys-that-famous-myth-about-the-dollar-losing-90-of-its-value-2013-11?op=1&r=US&IR=T
They also completely ignore productivity gains over the decades and of course wage increases.. Ignoring these equates to ideological driven Looney tunes.
Of course,they don’t even consider the fact that most people earn an inflation adjusted income over the course of their lives while their savings grows.
Hyperinflationsts like to claim that the USD has lost 99% of its purchasing power, when, in fact, the average American earns 50X what the global poor earn. In global terms, the average American is in the top 1% of wealth and income. Not only has the Dollar not been debased over this period, its citizens have enjoyed an unmatched period of prosperity, wealth and income generation.
All you have to do is look at an old photo album and compare how your relatives lived back then to today and the money printer going Brrrrrrrr has improved everybody’s lives. Difficult to argue with the economic outcomes of the USA when living standards and economic outcomes have been phenomenal across so many metrics when compared to the early 1900s.
These “death of the dollar” narratives always exaggerate the issue. Driven by ideological nonsense. Always built on wrong assumptions in their fancy equations below. Equations that have NEVER made any sense.
MV = Py
https://realprogressives.org/money-growth-does-not-cause-inflation/

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 12:48 utc | 764

Excellent germane piece by Ramzy Baroud which concludes:
The discussion should now return to where it should have always been – the priorities of the oppressed not the oppressor.
It is time that we speak about Palestinian rights, Palestinian security and the Palestinian people’s right, in fact obligation, to defend themselves.
It is time for us to speak about justice – real justice – the outcome of which is non-negotiable: equality, full political rights, freedom and the right of return.
Gaza has told us all of this, and much more. And it is time for us to listen.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/justice-is-non-negotiable-why-israel-cannot-destroy-palestinian-resistance/

Posted by: JB | Nov 4 2023 12:49 utc | 765

Excellent germane piece by Ramzy Baroud which concludes:
The discussion should now return to where it should have always been – the priorities of the oppressed not the oppressor.
It is time that we speak about Palestinian rights, Palestinian security and the Palestinian people’s right, in fact obligation, to defend themselves.
It is time for us to speak about justice – real justice – the outcome of which is non-negotiable: equality, full political rights, freedom and the right of return.
Gaza has told us all of this, and much more. And it is time for us to listen.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/justice-is-non-negotiable-why-israel-cannot-destroy-palestinian-resistance/

Posted by: JB | Nov 4 2023 12:49 utc | 766

@Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 4 2023 4:07 utc | 310
Posted by: laguerre | Nov 4 2023 5:13 utc | 315
“According to Larry Johnson, a lot of US soldiers are dying in various base strikes in Syria and Iraq but Pentagon keeps a tight lid on the subject”
How many soldiers does the US have in Syria?
The Pentagon obscures the real number by the use of contractors.
Reports from the Pentagon are that there are 900 US soldiers in Syria,
the Pentagon reports 11,000 contractors in Syria/Iraq (they don’t give a break down).
This article found below is a bit dated, it is from Trump’s tenure.
And Trump had wanted us out of Syria; brain dead Biden what is he
told to do?

[highlights are mine]
DoD: U.S. Contractors in Syria
https://www.injuredoverseas.com/dod-u-s-contractors-syria/

5,500 Department of Defense contractors are in Syria and Iraq battling ISIS, according to a quarterly report from the U.S. Central Command.
The report lists two theaters of operations under USCENTCOM’s jurisdiction – Afghanistan and Syria/Iraq. This report is the first time that the Pentagon has said that there are anti-ISIS contractors in both countries. Almost a third are in logistics and maintenance; another third are either interpreters or serve in base support positions. Less than 7% serve in “Security” positions. The report does not offer a breakdown between Iraq and Syria. Altogether, there are more than 11,000 contractors in the theater, including those who work for non-DoD agencies.
Previously, the Labor Department reported that two contractors were killed and six others were injured in Syria during 2017. This latest disclosure comes at a time of uncertainty regarding the American mission in Syria. Some, including President Donald Trump, want to declare victory over ISIS and withdraw. But some military commanders warn that such a withdrawal could allow ISIS elements to re-form and present a continuing danger.
“I would give America a six-month honeymoon here,” remarked Joshua Landis, the director of Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma.

Syrian Contractors During “Wartime”
Contractors play a vital political and military role in places like Syria. That has been the case ever since the General Accounting Office approved widespread use of armed contractors in 1978.
Politically, contractor deployment, and more importantly contractor casualties, do not count in official reports. That makes the DoD’s footprint and the risks that its personnel face look smaller. A semi-popular conflict, like the one in Syria, thus becomes easier to sell to civilian brass.

There are other political benefits, as well. For example, contractors keep a low profile in the country. That is often a big advantage because many people in other nations still view Americans as imperialist. Fighting an enemy like ISIS consumes all a soldier’s energy. These individuals should not have to deal with picketers and protesters while they are in-country.
Militarily, private military contractors usually provide security services. If they were not around, the regular army must take people off the front lines to perform these tasks. Moreover, sentry duty, verifying IDs at checkpoints, and escorting supply convoys are not exactly sought-after duties. So, contractors are also good for morale.
Then, there is the long list of contractors who serve in support roles. These individuals give the military commanders additional flexibility. For example, if the Marines need a new barracks, the CO can pick up the phone and have well-qualified contractors start the next week. When the project is done, the contractors are reassigned or sent home. There is no additional overhead or oversight.

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 12:50 utc | 767

@Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 4 2023 4:07 utc | 310
Posted by: laguerre | Nov 4 2023 5:13 utc | 315
“According to Larry Johnson, a lot of US soldiers are dying in various base strikes in Syria and Iraq but Pentagon keeps a tight lid on the subject”
How many soldiers does the US have in Syria?
The Pentagon obscures the real number by the use of contractors.
Reports from the Pentagon are that there are 900 US soldiers in Syria,
the Pentagon reports 11,000 contractors in Syria/Iraq (they don’t give a break down).
This article found below is a bit dated, it is from Trump’s tenure.
And Trump had wanted us out of Syria; brain dead Biden what is he
told to do?

[highlights are mine]
DoD: U.S. Contractors in Syria
https://www.injuredoverseas.com/dod-u-s-contractors-syria/

5,500 Department of Defense contractors are in Syria and Iraq battling ISIS, according to a quarterly report from the U.S. Central Command.
The report lists two theaters of operations under USCENTCOM’s jurisdiction – Afghanistan and Syria/Iraq. This report is the first time that the Pentagon has said that there are anti-ISIS contractors in both countries. Almost a third are in logistics and maintenance; another third are either interpreters or serve in base support positions. Less than 7% serve in “Security” positions. The report does not offer a breakdown between Iraq and Syria. Altogether, there are more than 11,000 contractors in the theater, including those who work for non-DoD agencies.
Previously, the Labor Department reported that two contractors were killed and six others were injured in Syria during 2017. This latest disclosure comes at a time of uncertainty regarding the American mission in Syria. Some, including President Donald Trump, want to declare victory over ISIS and withdraw. But some military commanders warn that such a withdrawal could allow ISIS elements to re-form and present a continuing danger.
“I would give America a six-month honeymoon here,” remarked Joshua Landis, the director of Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma.

Syrian Contractors During “Wartime”
Contractors play a vital political and military role in places like Syria. That has been the case ever since the General Accounting Office approved widespread use of armed contractors in 1978.
Politically, contractor deployment, and more importantly contractor casualties, do not count in official reports. That makes the DoD’s footprint and the risks that its personnel face look smaller. A semi-popular conflict, like the one in Syria, thus becomes easier to sell to civilian brass.

There are other political benefits, as well. For example, contractors keep a low profile in the country. That is often a big advantage because many people in other nations still view Americans as imperialist. Fighting an enemy like ISIS consumes all a soldier’s energy. These individuals should not have to deal with picketers and protesters while they are in-country.
Militarily, private military contractors usually provide security services. If they were not around, the regular army must take people off the front lines to perform these tasks. Moreover, sentry duty, verifying IDs at checkpoints, and escorting supply convoys are not exactly sought-after duties. So, contractors are also good for morale.
Then, there is the long list of contractors who serve in support roles. These individuals give the military commanders additional flexibility. For example, if the Marines need a new barracks, the CO can pick up the phone and have well-qualified contractors start the next week. When the project is done, the contractors are reassigned or sent home. There is no additional overhead or oversight.

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 12:50 utc | 768

RE: canuck | Nov 4 2023 12:31 utc | 394
“US/City of London/EU is indeed in a panic mode.”
How so?
Not seeing it, bonds & stocks good, dollar & oil good…
Another quarter at hand, Anglo Axis not only survives, but profits.
Nope, outside of MSM flagrant “crisis” reporting (which is normal) it’s business as usual for all the powers, this news stuff is for the consumption of the plebs to “panic”. Business deals must be forged, alls well.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 4 2023 12:53 utc | 769

RE: canuck | Nov 4 2023 12:31 utc | 394
“US/City of London/EU is indeed in a panic mode.”
How so?
Not seeing it, bonds & stocks good, dollar & oil good…
Another quarter at hand, Anglo Axis not only survives, but profits.
Nope, outside of MSM flagrant “crisis” reporting (which is normal) it’s business as usual for all the powers, this news stuff is for the consumption of the plebs to “panic”. Business deals must be forged, alls well.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 4 2023 12:53 utc | 770

Another question for Europe, since it cannot prevent all the migrant populations doing the BS jobs to have empathy for the Palestinians, is: do they really want to replace these migrants with Eastern Europeans? What will be the consequences in term of an accelerated re-christianization of Europe?

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 13:06 utc | 771

Another question for Europe, since it cannot prevent all the migrant populations doing the BS jobs to have empathy for the Palestinians, is: do they really want to replace these migrants with Eastern Europeans? What will be the consequences in term of an accelerated re-christianization of Europe?

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 13:06 utc | 772

“how your relatives lived back then”
“the average American earns 50X what the global poor earn”
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 12:48 utc | 396
And stealing a little resources here and a regime change there, blowing up a pipeline in the Baltic Sea, so what is anybody complaining when things are just great in the US of A?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 13:15 utc | 773

“how your relatives lived back then”
“the average American earns 50X what the global poor earn”
Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 12:48 utc | 396
And stealing a little resources here and a regime change there, blowing up a pipeline in the Baltic Sea, so what is anybody complaining when things are just great in the US of A?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 13:15 utc | 774

RE: “Most analysis picks one of the above and thus fails to grasp the bigger, more complex, picture.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 4 2023 12:40 utc | 395
Not really. All four subsets you mentioned fall under the the good old Western constant: Fascism. Global Fascism. There is no such thing as national “communism “ in its former state, it’s all “market communism” with the same public lies of “socialist” “communist” “democratic” as political social cover, when in truth, it’s Global Fascism.
About to turn uglier. The conglomerate of the subsets and renaming & making a hundred branches of the same tree root, is a great dividing & general mind fuck for the worlds citizens to argue about. But, Global Fascism it is.
We did not “win” WW2. The world did not “win”.
“fascism
/făsh′ĭz″əm/
noun
“A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 4 2023 13:15 utc | 775

RE: “Most analysis picks one of the above and thus fails to grasp the bigger, more complex, picture.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 4 2023 12:40 utc | 395
Not really. All four subsets you mentioned fall under the the good old Western constant: Fascism. Global Fascism. There is no such thing as national “communism “ in its former state, it’s all “market communism” with the same public lies of “socialist” “communist” “democratic” as political social cover, when in truth, it’s Global Fascism.
About to turn uglier. The conglomerate of the subsets and renaming & making a hundred branches of the same tree root, is a great dividing & general mind fuck for the worlds citizens to argue about. But, Global Fascism it is.
We did not “win” WW2. The world did not “win”.
“fascism
/făsh′ĭz″əm/
noun
“A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 4 2023 13:15 utc | 776

And when somebody complains that Arab governments are not making a difference, and they the k-word, just bear in mind that it was their resistance – notably thanks to the pushback from Egypt and MbS in Saudi Arabia – that left the US clueless. So now we are talking about a mass deportation of 2 million people to Iraq. At least on this forum. But it was also on this forum that we read about the ethnic cleansing in the first place. That part has now been put on hold.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 13:23 utc | 777

And when somebody complains that Arab governments are not making a difference, and they the k-word, just bear in mind that it was their resistance – notably thanks to the pushback from Egypt and MbS in Saudi Arabia – that left the US clueless. So now we are talking about a mass deportation of 2 million people to Iraq. At least on this forum. But it was also on this forum that we read about the ethnic cleansing in the first place. That part has now been put on hold.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 4 2023 13:23 utc | 778

For those that found 398 tldr:
Contractors play a vital political and military role in places like Syria. That has been the case ever since the General Accounting Office approved widespread use of armed contractors in 1978.
Politically, contractor deployment, and more importantly contractor casualties, do not count in official reports. That makes the DoD’s footprint and the risks that its personnel face look smaller. A semi-popular conflict, like the one in Syria, thus becomes easier to sell to civilian brass.

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 13:23 utc | 779

For those that found 398 tldr:
Contractors play a vital political and military role in places like Syria. That has been the case ever since the General Accounting Office approved widespread use of armed contractors in 1978.
Politically, contractor deployment, and more importantly contractor casualties, do not count in official reports. That makes the DoD’s footprint and the risks that its personnel face look smaller. A semi-popular conflict, like the one in Syria, thus becomes easier to sell to civilian brass.

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 13:23 utc | 780

I’ll sit back and watch while you get your Monetarists knickers in a twist.

Do you have a mental illness? This thread isn’t discussing monetary policy. It’s a hobby horse you trollingly work into every single comment despite its banality. You’re only talking to yourself…again.
Canucks is bang on. The West is seeking a war since they cannot pay off the credit card. The population of the West is completely unaware of this fact. A Gulf of Tonkin event..most likely a faked strike on one of the carrier groups by a local proxy..with a few hundred dead sailors is exactly what Jake the Snake and the rest of the Satanists are cooking up, I suspect. Theyre not exactly creative. Escalating atrocities isn’t working.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 4 2023 13:28 utc | 781

I’ll sit back and watch while you get your Monetarists knickers in a twist.

Do you have a mental illness? This thread isn’t discussing monetary policy. It’s a hobby horse you trollingly work into every single comment despite its banality. You’re only talking to yourself…again.
Canucks is bang on. The West is seeking a war since they cannot pay off the credit card. The population of the West is completely unaware of this fact. A Gulf of Tonkin event..most likely a faked strike on one of the carrier groups by a local proxy..with a few hundred dead sailors is exactly what Jake the Snake and the rest of the Satanists are cooking up, I suspect. Theyre not exactly creative. Escalating atrocities isn’t working.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Nov 4 2023 13:28 utc | 782

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Nov 4 2023 6:33 utc | 328
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Not Biblical.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 13:37 utc | 783

Posted by: Sandy Freeman | Nov 4 2023 6:33 utc | 328
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Not Biblical.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 13:37 utc | 784

from AJE live/Ali Hashem
In his highly anticipated address on Friday, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah hinted at a protracted conflict, setting the tone for what he anticipates will be an enduring war.
The speech marked the first in a series intended to solidify his argument and strategic position. Rather than issuing outright threats, Nasrallah delineated his “red lines” concerning Gaza with a level of ambiguity that sought to construct a calculated narrative. He carefully chose his moment, leveraging the speech to communicate with key players on the international stage instead of adopting the expected populist rhetoric.
Although less fiery than anticipated, which disappointed some Palestinians and Arabs who were primed for a call to arms, Nasrallah’s approach demonstrated restraint. It reflected a situation where Hamas is in control in Gaza, diminishing the immediacy for drastic rhetoric from Nasrallah. His speech contained nuanced messages, particularly addressing the situation on the Lebanese front and the dynamic of civilian ininvolvement, signalling his adeptness in psychological warfare and an awareness that Israeli officials are among his audience.
Amidst the backdrop of Lebanon’s severe economic crisis, Nasrallah is under substantial internal pressure. With the country grappling with financial collapse and widespread economic strife, he aimed to reassure the Lebanese that, although implicated, the country is not yet on the cusp of full-scale war.
This initial discourse is a prelude to another address scheduled for November 11. The interval serves as a de facto deadline for the United States and other influential entities to mitigate the conflict. In the absence of progress, the tone of Nasrallah’s forthcoming speech may take on a decidedly different tone, possibly escalating the rhetoric if diplomatic solutions remain elusive.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 13:48 utc | 785

from AJE live/Ali Hashem
In his highly anticipated address on Friday, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah hinted at a protracted conflict, setting the tone for what he anticipates will be an enduring war.
The speech marked the first in a series intended to solidify his argument and strategic position. Rather than issuing outright threats, Nasrallah delineated his “red lines” concerning Gaza with a level of ambiguity that sought to construct a calculated narrative. He carefully chose his moment, leveraging the speech to communicate with key players on the international stage instead of adopting the expected populist rhetoric.
Although less fiery than anticipated, which disappointed some Palestinians and Arabs who were primed for a call to arms, Nasrallah’s approach demonstrated restraint. It reflected a situation where Hamas is in control in Gaza, diminishing the immediacy for drastic rhetoric from Nasrallah. His speech contained nuanced messages, particularly addressing the situation on the Lebanese front and the dynamic of civilian ininvolvement, signalling his adeptness in psychological warfare and an awareness that Israeli officials are among his audience.
Amidst the backdrop of Lebanon’s severe economic crisis, Nasrallah is under substantial internal pressure. With the country grappling with financial collapse and widespread economic strife, he aimed to reassure the Lebanese that, although implicated, the country is not yet on the cusp of full-scale war.
This initial discourse is a prelude to another address scheduled for November 11. The interval serves as a de facto deadline for the United States and other influential entities to mitigate the conflict. In the absence of progress, the tone of Nasrallah’s forthcoming speech may take on a decidedly different tone, possibly escalating the rhetoric if diplomatic solutions remain elusive.

Posted by: Minaa | Nov 4 2023 13:48 utc | 786

Regarding Imran khan’s removal by the yanks in a coup and seeing how Hamas planned so secretly for over a year for the Flood , that wasn’t known by any of the resistances top leadership even, and the whole SURPRISE for the ever vigilante IDF caught with their trousers down – it would suggest that this IDF/ Collective West escalation was long planned. If Pakistan and Khan had come out for Palestinians and against their current genocide – that would have caused a lot of difficulties for the oppressors in and around Pakistan and maybe even direct aid to Gaza.
Hmmm… it sort of fits in quite well , Pakistan is not like the million odd UAE’ers combined or the tens of thousands of Saudis, or the pretty well controlled Egyptians and Turks with their compromised leaders and military tied into the MIC, as are the Pakistani Armed Forces. Pakistanis are many tens of millions and many in a diaspora too.
Some weasel words from Kamala, with the always smiling happyhooker fun girl face, about Muslims Lives Matter bs , and the supposed calmness of the Muslim communities in the U.K. and US. appear to be simple Narrative propaganda in the MSM – totally disproved by the mass protests across 30 plus towns and cities in the U.K. today including a massive London one.
It is peoples from all communities and religions. Maybe not as many Pakistanis as would have been if Khan had been around to gee up the diasporas.
The end of the last European colonial outpost of is in sight – they will now not be able to clear out Gaza and build and own their new super deep wide rocky New Suez (Ben Gurion!) canal and toll booth as a plan of domination on that crucial crossroads of the world.
At the same time failing to take control of the Crimea and Caspian corridor further north.
All the cards are played – game over.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 13:52 utc | 787

Regarding Imran khan’s removal by the yanks in a coup and seeing how Hamas planned so secretly for over a year for the Flood , that wasn’t known by any of the resistances top leadership even, and the whole SURPRISE for the ever vigilante IDF caught with their trousers down – it would suggest that this IDF/ Collective West escalation was long planned. If Pakistan and Khan had come out for Palestinians and against their current genocide – that would have caused a lot of difficulties for the oppressors in and around Pakistan and maybe even direct aid to Gaza.
Hmmm… it sort of fits in quite well , Pakistan is not like the million odd UAE’ers combined or the tens of thousands of Saudis, or the pretty well controlled Egyptians and Turks with their compromised leaders and military tied into the MIC, as are the Pakistani Armed Forces. Pakistanis are many tens of millions and many in a diaspora too.
Some weasel words from Kamala, with the always smiling happyhooker fun girl face, about Muslims Lives Matter bs , and the supposed calmness of the Muslim communities in the U.K. and US. appear to be simple Narrative propaganda in the MSM – totally disproved by the mass protests across 30 plus towns and cities in the U.K. today including a massive London one.
It is peoples from all communities and religions. Maybe not as many Pakistanis as would have been if Khan had been around to gee up the diasporas.
The end of the last European colonial outpost of is in sight – they will now not be able to clear out Gaza and build and own their new super deep wide rocky New Suez (Ben Gurion!) canal and toll booth as a plan of domination on that crucial crossroads of the world.
At the same time failing to take control of the Crimea and Caspian corridor further north.
All the cards are played – game over.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Nov 4 2023 13:52 utc | 788

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 3:46 utc | 310
Yes, the honorable Sheikh Nasrallah REALLY cares about the poor innocent civilians in Lebanon, and especially in Gaza. He deserves no less than the Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: Jose J. | Nov 4 2023 13:53 utc | 789

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 4 2023 3:46 utc | 310
Yes, the honorable Sheikh Nasrallah REALLY cares about the poor innocent civilians in Lebanon, and especially in Gaza. He deserves no less than the Nobel Peace Prize.

Posted by: Jose J. | Nov 4 2023 13:53 utc | 790

Concerning ridiculous “equities” valuations, an old friend from back in the `90s had been playing with website design as a hobby. Of course, this was way back when the vast majority of people were taking their first tentative steps out of their AOL/CompuServe cages, so websites were still fairly primitive. One of the websites my associate created was just such a primitive time-waster: some animated GIFs synchronized with an MP3 playing in a loop. Its page rank spiked briefly because, well, what else was there to do on the Web back then for AOL escapees but waste time?
Long story shortened, he was contacted by investors looking to build a portfolio of websites and who offered him literally $millions for his website (disclosure: he built the site in a couple hours, including creating the MP3 and the animated GIFs). A lawyer showed up at my associate’s cheap loft (Boston still had some cheap apartments back then) with a fat check and a thick contract full of nonsense legal boilerplate. My buddy signed the contract, slapped a 3.5″ floppy into his Mac, copied the website to it, and handed it over.
The lawyer looked confused. I think he was expecting to get keys and deed to a building or something.
But today, even after the lessons of the dot-com crash, you Americans’ equities remain just as worthless, regardless of the prices attached to them. It is a vast ponzi scam. It is a game of hot potato, where the potatoes are now so hot they emit Cherenkov radiation. It is a game of musical chairs, only there are no chairs at all for when the music stops. Everything of real and tangible value has been “rationalized” out of the game because it just reduces efficiency while the circle-jerk is in motion. What do you need actual physical chairs for in your game of musical chairs if the music never stops?
And maybe the music never will stop. Sounds to me like the outro is playing right now, though.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 14:07 utc | 791

Concerning ridiculous “equities” valuations, an old friend from back in the `90s had been playing with website design as a hobby. Of course, this was way back when the vast majority of people were taking their first tentative steps out of their AOL/CompuServe cages, so websites were still fairly primitive. One of the websites my associate created was just such a primitive time-waster: some animated GIFs synchronized with an MP3 playing in a loop. Its page rank spiked briefly because, well, what else was there to do on the Web back then for AOL escapees but waste time?
Long story shortened, he was contacted by investors looking to build a portfolio of websites and who offered him literally $millions for his website (disclosure: he built the site in a couple hours, including creating the MP3 and the animated GIFs). A lawyer showed up at my associate’s cheap loft (Boston still had some cheap apartments back then) with a fat check and a thick contract full of nonsense legal boilerplate. My buddy signed the contract, slapped a 3.5″ floppy into his Mac, copied the website to it, and handed it over.
The lawyer looked confused. I think he was expecting to get keys and deed to a building or something.
But today, even after the lessons of the dot-com crash, you Americans’ equities remain just as worthless, regardless of the prices attached to them. It is a vast ponzi scam. It is a game of hot potato, where the potatoes are now so hot they emit Cherenkov radiation. It is a game of musical chairs, only there are no chairs at all for when the music stops. Everything of real and tangible value has been “rationalized” out of the game because it just reduces efficiency while the circle-jerk is in motion. What do you need actual physical chairs for in your game of musical chairs if the music never stops?
And maybe the music never will stop. Sounds to me like the outro is playing right now, though.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 14:07 utc | 792

Structural Deficits Are Deflationary
The ring wing ideological shouting, placard waving loon who don’t understand MV= PY.
Will say something like this
” If, for example, extra money is printed and used to fund a higher budget deficit so government spending is higher for the same amount of taxes, that will tend to boost demand and drive the price level higher. It is inflationary. ”
That is 100% and 180 degrees wrong.
If government spending is higher for the same amount of taxes and thereby leaves a higher budget deficit, that will tend to decrease demand and drive the price level lower. It is deflationary.
( Unless, when the government spends, it overpays for what it is purchasing – including giving the money away for free or indexing a payment.)
(i) “Deficit Spending” is “the amount by which spending exceeds revenue over a particular period”.
( ii ) A “Structural Deficit” is “that part of the deficit which is not related to the state of the economy”. In other words, it is a permanent increase in the quantity of deficit spending.
We need to define these, as several alternatives exist.
The belief is that deficit spending is inflationary and that a structural deficit will change the price level upwards.
In contrast, the part of government spending matched by an increase in tax raised will not affect the price level.
This is backwards. There is far more inflationary pressure from government spending that causes an increase in taxes than from deficit spending.
Spending as an impulse that decays over time as people spend their earnings, earn what others have paid and spend it again, like a stone skipping across a pond.
The stone is government spending using freshly created money. Each skip is a tax point, which reduces the size of the next spending hop until the stone finally sinks, consumed by the ripples of taxation. The higher the tax, the rougher the stone, the bigger the ripple and the fewer the hops before it sinks.
Issued – then collected as it flows down the spending chains as your spending is someone else’s income and vice versa until eventually taxes match spending. The money is gone.
This process is what government spending matched by taxation looks like – a whole load of additional transactions that may or may not be inflationary.
Cutting taxes may mean less money is collected, or it may mean that more money is collected. That’s because the total amount collected isn’t related to the tax rate, but the level of spending and saving in the economy.
Money doesn’t stop at its first use. Your spending is my income and vice versa.
If taxes are cut, then people have more to spend which increases the number of spending transactions in the economy. Taxation quantity is a geometric series, not a simple sum. It behaves like a stone skipping across a pond. Lowering taxes just means more hops before the stone sinks. The total collected, however, will be much the same as before unless there is a material change in the amount of saving.
Swapping cash for a bond just freezes that process. Until the bond is cashed in and spent and The hops and ripples start again.
The overall price impact will depend upon multiple institutional and structural factors. Any programme design needs to take these into account.
However, the critical point from the stone-skipping analogy is that you always get ripples. Those ripples are the percentage-based transactional taxes functioning as an automatic stabiliser.
When the government buys things, you will get an increase in taxation ( ripples) because the government purchases things like a consumer rather than a business. There is no scope to offset or reclaim tax.
Switching to the endogenous money view and abandoning the mythical market for loanable funds fundamentally alters how we view budget deficits.
Deficit spending means the government got what it wanted at the prescribed price, and those outbid just banked the cash or paid off a loan.
Some may dismiss this as a ‘Treasury View’, but that is backward. In the Treasury View, crowding out of money comes first. That can’t happen in an endogenous system.
In the Deficit Spending View, deficit spending ‘crowds out’ in the physical sphere first, and those crowded out decide not to buy anything else. If they had consumed further, more tax would materialise. That would reduce the amount of deficit spending and increase the amount of tax-matched spending.
When the government decides to increase its purchases, it’s not the ‘deficit spending’ or the ‘structural deficit’ we should worry about.
The inflation risk lies elsewhere – in the spending taxed to destruction over many transactional hops.
https://new-wayland.com/blog/structural-deficits-are-deflationary/
That monetary policy is largely useless as a stabilisation device, and what is known as the horizontal circuit (“bank money”) should be left to operate as a market rather than being manipulated all the time.
Therefore you leave the base rate at the natural rate of 0% and stop artificially trying to hold it above that, particularly stop moving it around. Issue granny bonds to households instead.
What that means is that government stops paying banks “welfare on reserves” payments. No Interest on Reserves. No Bond Coupons. Any income banks earn they have to get by discounting collateral in the private economy and charging for that service (aka making loans).
System stabilisation can then be done using the vertical circuit (“central bank money”) which is added and removed as required to commercial bank’s balance sheets and forcibly creates additional bank deposits in the hands of individuals – because bank money is pegged one-to-one to central bank money.
The result is that the bank money system operates within a containment vessel defined by fixed banking policies, not ones that change month to month, and the banking system ebbs and flows within the policy boundaries, with the government’s vertical system countercyclically matching the ebb and flow.
This is where the Job Guarantee sits. The wage is paid with vertical money and matches the ebb and flow of bank money spending countercyclically. But importantly it does the same thing on the production side with labour hours – injecting and removing labour hours countercyclically with private and public sector demand keeping labour hours near constant relative to the working population.
A guaranteed alternative job replaces bank credit manipulation as the stabilisation process. The production system gets a change in output, not a dead loss. You get income in your pocket, not a debt millstone around your neck.
And that’s how you get to true full employment and price stability within an economic system where demand is satisfied.
All levies, liquidity ratios, reserve requirements and the like are eliminated. The cost of maintaining the collateral system is eliminated. The result is loans at a low price with the quantity restricted solely by credit quality. As an economy heats up, credit quality declines and loans become restricted — systemically preventing the Ponzi stages of finance that lead to a Minsky Moment.
Proscribed banks, forced to rely on credit analysis for profit, help prevent a boom by issuing less credit as project quality declines.
You get a natural and steady withdrawal of funding that is far more surgically targeted and responsive to local conditions, than the carpet bombing approach of interest rate adjustment.
https://new-wayland.com/blog/running-a-modern-money-economy/
Money printing or QE caused inflation is just moronic, lazy thinking that does not reflect the real world and the transactions and asset swaps that have taken place.
https://gimms.org.uk/fact-sheets/quantitative-easing/
So no, the Oligarchs wealth have not decreased if anything it has increased and they have done very well out of the crises and this war.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 14:11 utc | 793

Structural Deficits Are Deflationary
The ring wing ideological shouting, placard waving loon who don’t understand MV= PY.
Will say something like this
” If, for example, extra money is printed and used to fund a higher budget deficit so government spending is higher for the same amount of taxes, that will tend to boost demand and drive the price level higher. It is inflationary. ”
That is 100% and 180 degrees wrong.
If government spending is higher for the same amount of taxes and thereby leaves a higher budget deficit, that will tend to decrease demand and drive the price level lower. It is deflationary.
( Unless, when the government spends, it overpays for what it is purchasing – including giving the money away for free or indexing a payment.)
(i) “Deficit Spending” is “the amount by which spending exceeds revenue over a particular period”.
( ii ) A “Structural Deficit” is “that part of the deficit which is not related to the state of the economy”. In other words, it is a permanent increase in the quantity of deficit spending.
We need to define these, as several alternatives exist.
The belief is that deficit spending is inflationary and that a structural deficit will change the price level upwards.
In contrast, the part of government spending matched by an increase in tax raised will not affect the price level.
This is backwards. There is far more inflationary pressure from government spending that causes an increase in taxes than from deficit spending.
Spending as an impulse that decays over time as people spend their earnings, earn what others have paid and spend it again, like a stone skipping across a pond.
The stone is government spending using freshly created money. Each skip is a tax point, which reduces the size of the next spending hop until the stone finally sinks, consumed by the ripples of taxation. The higher the tax, the rougher the stone, the bigger the ripple and the fewer the hops before it sinks.
Issued – then collected as it flows down the spending chains as your spending is someone else’s income and vice versa until eventually taxes match spending. The money is gone.
This process is what government spending matched by taxation looks like – a whole load of additional transactions that may or may not be inflationary.
Cutting taxes may mean less money is collected, or it may mean that more money is collected. That’s because the total amount collected isn’t related to the tax rate, but the level of spending and saving in the economy.
Money doesn’t stop at its first use. Your spending is my income and vice versa.
If taxes are cut, then people have more to spend which increases the number of spending transactions in the economy. Taxation quantity is a geometric series, not a simple sum. It behaves like a stone skipping across a pond. Lowering taxes just means more hops before the stone sinks. The total collected, however, will be much the same as before unless there is a material change in the amount of saving.
Swapping cash for a bond just freezes that process. Until the bond is cashed in and spent and The hops and ripples start again.
The overall price impact will depend upon multiple institutional and structural factors. Any programme design needs to take these into account.
However, the critical point from the stone-skipping analogy is that you always get ripples. Those ripples are the percentage-based transactional taxes functioning as an automatic stabiliser.
When the government buys things, you will get an increase in taxation ( ripples) because the government purchases things like a consumer rather than a business. There is no scope to offset or reclaim tax.
Switching to the endogenous money view and abandoning the mythical market for loanable funds fundamentally alters how we view budget deficits.
Deficit spending means the government got what it wanted at the prescribed price, and those outbid just banked the cash or paid off a loan.
Some may dismiss this as a ‘Treasury View’, but that is backward. In the Treasury View, crowding out of money comes first. That can’t happen in an endogenous system.
In the Deficit Spending View, deficit spending ‘crowds out’ in the physical sphere first, and those crowded out decide not to buy anything else. If they had consumed further, more tax would materialise. That would reduce the amount of deficit spending and increase the amount of tax-matched spending.
When the government decides to increase its purchases, it’s not the ‘deficit spending’ or the ‘structural deficit’ we should worry about.
The inflation risk lies elsewhere – in the spending taxed to destruction over many transactional hops.
https://new-wayland.com/blog/structural-deficits-are-deflationary/
That monetary policy is largely useless as a stabilisation device, and what is known as the horizontal circuit (“bank money”) should be left to operate as a market rather than being manipulated all the time.
Therefore you leave the base rate at the natural rate of 0% and stop artificially trying to hold it above that, particularly stop moving it around. Issue granny bonds to households instead.
What that means is that government stops paying banks “welfare on reserves” payments. No Interest on Reserves. No Bond Coupons. Any income banks earn they have to get by discounting collateral in the private economy and charging for that service (aka making loans).
System stabilisation can then be done using the vertical circuit (“central bank money”) which is added and removed as required to commercial bank’s balance sheets and forcibly creates additional bank deposits in the hands of individuals – because bank money is pegged one-to-one to central bank money.
The result is that the bank money system operates within a containment vessel defined by fixed banking policies, not ones that change month to month, and the banking system ebbs and flows within the policy boundaries, with the government’s vertical system countercyclically matching the ebb and flow.
This is where the Job Guarantee sits. The wage is paid with vertical money and matches the ebb and flow of bank money spending countercyclically. But importantly it does the same thing on the production side with labour hours – injecting and removing labour hours countercyclically with private and public sector demand keeping labour hours near constant relative to the working population.
A guaranteed alternative job replaces bank credit manipulation as the stabilisation process. The production system gets a change in output, not a dead loss. You get income in your pocket, not a debt millstone around your neck.
And that’s how you get to true full employment and price stability within an economic system where demand is satisfied.
All levies, liquidity ratios, reserve requirements and the like are eliminated. The cost of maintaining the collateral system is eliminated. The result is loans at a low price with the quantity restricted solely by credit quality. As an economy heats up, credit quality declines and loans become restricted — systemically preventing the Ponzi stages of finance that lead to a Minsky Moment.
Proscribed banks, forced to rely on credit analysis for profit, help prevent a boom by issuing less credit as project quality declines.
You get a natural and steady withdrawal of funding that is far more surgically targeted and responsive to local conditions, than the carpet bombing approach of interest rate adjustment.
https://new-wayland.com/blog/running-a-modern-money-economy/
Money printing or QE caused inflation is just moronic, lazy thinking that does not reflect the real world and the transactions and asset swaps that have taken place.
https://gimms.org.uk/fact-sheets/quantitative-easing/
So no, the Oligarchs wealth have not decreased if anything it has increased and they have done very well out of the crises and this war.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 14:11 utc | 794

Arch@361……fucking priceless!!!!!!
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 4 2023 14:13 utc | 795

Arch@361……fucking priceless!!!!!!
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 4 2023 14:13 utc | 796

Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 14:11 utc | 415

So no, the Oligarchs wealth have not decreased if anything it has increased and they have done very well out of the crises and this war.

Sure, “numbers” means wealth… We can play all sorts of games but history has told us what really matters, and that’s the “physical world.” The paper references rely on, well, “good faith” [in the case of USD – “good faith of the US govt”, and in case one hasn’t been paying attention more and more of the world is losing faith in the US being “good”]. Russia, a country with vast PHYSICAL resources, cares not about the USD; that means less trade with USD which then results in less purchasing power of the USD. Also understand that the majority of the globe was forced to accept “good faith” via US military force. Russia has stepped in and is relieving that force. US/West controlled monetary institutions are collapsing.
The USD is being pushed into the kiddie pool. Yeah, purchasing power among other western entities that are in downward spirals (lacking physical resources and manufacturing abilities), that the USD is stronger than those currencies is NOT really an inspiring thing to forecast by (if touting the “strength” of US currency).
Russia whipped its oligarchs. They, those oligarchs, surely thought they were in total control, until they weren’t.
I _think_ it was a Harvard(?) economics publication that back in the 1920s was saying that everything was fine. They stopped publishing when the stock market crashed. It all works until it doesn’t…. Hubris is the home of the fool.

Posted by: Seer | Nov 4 2023 16:16 utc | 797

Echo Chamber | Nov 4 2023 14:11 utc | 415

So no, the Oligarchs wealth have not decreased if anything it has increased and they have done very well out of the crises and this war.

Sure, “numbers” means wealth… We can play all sorts of games but history has told us what really matters, and that’s the “physical world.” The paper references rely on, well, “good faith” [in the case of USD – “good faith of the US govt”, and in case one hasn’t been paying attention more and more of the world is losing faith in the US being “good”]. Russia, a country with vast PHYSICAL resources, cares not about the USD; that means less trade with USD which then results in less purchasing power of the USD. Also understand that the majority of the globe was forced to accept “good faith” via US military force. Russia has stepped in and is relieving that force. US/West controlled monetary institutions are collapsing.
The USD is being pushed into the kiddie pool. Yeah, purchasing power among other western entities that are in downward spirals (lacking physical resources and manufacturing abilities), that the USD is stronger than those currencies is NOT really an inspiring thing to forecast by (if touting the “strength” of US currency).
Russia whipped its oligarchs. They, those oligarchs, surely thought they were in total control, until they weren’t.
I _think_ it was a Harvard(?) economics publication that back in the 1920s was saying that everything was fine. They stopped publishing when the stock market crashed. It all works until it doesn’t…. Hubris is the home of the fool.

Posted by: Seer | Nov 4 2023 16:16 utc | 798

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 4 2023 13:15 utc | 405
RE: “Most analysis picks one of the above and thus fails to grasp the bigger, more complex, picture.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 4 2023 12:40 utc | 395
Not really. All four subsets you mentioned fall under the the good old Western constant: Fascism. Global Fascism. ….
“Fascism: “A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.”

First: that is a loaded, cliche-laden definition, but no matter.
Second: you are saying that US Empire, Globalism and Zionism are the same. I beg to differ. They may indeed share fascist tendencies as you say, but just slapping that common label on them doesn’t make them the same, any more than labeling all cans ‘food’ makes them equally nourishing – indeed some might be poisonous.
Zionism wants one particular tribe to end up on top.
Globalism wants one system with an unaccountable ruling class on top and to get rid of nation states with their own cultures and jurisdictions but not necessarily with Zionists ruling over all. A difference.
The Empire wants their existing way to continue, ideally with the whole world speaking English. One could argue it’s the same as Globalism in principle, but in practice the former is trying to overthrow the latter. Difference.
The Trotskyoids have utopian fantasies fueled by religious belief in secular materialism. Like the Google execs seriously studying how to download their brain, i.e. their self, into a computer program and thereby living forever. Their sense of life and death and ideal society is quite different from Zionism and most Empire mentalities and most ordinary people like you and I. Their utopia is our dystopia. Difference.
But if calling it all ‘Global Fascism’ floats your boat, have at it!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 799

Posted by: Trubind1 | Nov 4 2023 13:15 utc | 405
RE: “Most analysis picks one of the above and thus fails to grasp the bigger, more complex, picture.”
Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 4 2023 12:40 utc | 395
Not really. All four subsets you mentioned fall under the the good old Western constant: Fascism. Global Fascism. ….
“Fascism: “A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.”

First: that is a loaded, cliche-laden definition, but no matter.
Second: you are saying that US Empire, Globalism and Zionism are the same. I beg to differ. They may indeed share fascist tendencies as you say, but just slapping that common label on them doesn’t make them the same, any more than labeling all cans ‘food’ makes them equally nourishing – indeed some might be poisonous.
Zionism wants one particular tribe to end up on top.
Globalism wants one system with an unaccountable ruling class on top and to get rid of nation states with their own cultures and jurisdictions but not necessarily with Zionists ruling over all. A difference.
The Empire wants their existing way to continue, ideally with the whole world speaking English. One could argue it’s the same as Globalism in principle, but in practice the former is trying to overthrow the latter. Difference.
The Trotskyoids have utopian fantasies fueled by religious belief in secular materialism. Like the Google execs seriously studying how to download their brain, i.e. their self, into a computer program and thereby living forever. Their sense of life and death and ideal society is quite different from Zionism and most Empire mentalities and most ordinary people like you and I. Their utopia is our dystopia. Difference.
But if calling it all ‘Global Fascism’ floats your boat, have at it!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 4 2023 16:17 utc | 800