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November 3, 2023
Nasrallah Speech On Gaza

Speech by Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah during the ceremony honoring the martyrs on the road to Al-Quds (as noted down incompletely while listening to AlJazeerah's live translation):

Congratulation to those in Lebanon, Gaza and West Bank who have fallen in the fight since October 7.

Condolence and blessing to their relatives, condolence to the people of Gaza and the West Bank.

Four issues were caused by the stupid Israeli government:

  • Thousands of Palestinian are prisoners of Israel.
  • Al Aqsa and what has been happening there before October 7.
  • Unjust siege of 2 million people for more than 17 years in an open concentration camp in Gaza.
  • Expanding settlements in the West Bank.

The world and its organizations were silent about those points. This while the enemy had become more ferocious and extreme.

A big even was needed to refocus the world: the glorious al-Aqsa Flood operation of October 7.

It was to 100% a Palestinian operation. They were silent and did not tell anyone, not even their allies.

The operation proves that decisions of the resistance factions are in the hands of the respective leaders. The Islamic Republic of Iran had no say in this.

No matter what the enemy has done and will do it can not influence the future and history of what happened and will happen. The operations has shown the fragility of the enemy.

The U.S. and EU government and media have run to the help of the Israelis. Is Israel a strong state with an invincible army when it needs so much support?

It shows that the operation was wise, prudent and successful.

Israel politicians and military were slow to response. They killed their own people during the operations. Testimony from enemy media is showing that those who say Hamas killed civilians during the operation are wrong.

Now they want to annihilate Hamas. That is impossible. They want the hostages back. This will never happen without negotiations.

The 2006 war in Lebanon has proven that. The same will happen in Gaza.

The Israeli army are proving their inability. It destroys thousands of houses and kills thousands of civilians. Is that what an invincible army would do?

By killing innocent civilians you will not gain anything. It only proves the brutal nature of the Zionist regime.

The western media are telling lies about beheaded children. No evidence was produced. But they are silent about what happens in Gaza.

It is the United States that stands in the way of a ceasefire in Gaza. As Khomeni said, it is the greatest devil -  from Hiroshima, to Vietnam to now in Gaza. It must be held responsible for that and should pay the price for that.

Everyone (in the resistance) in all neighboring countries must live up to their responsibility (and attack the U.S.).

The war in Gaza is not just battle. It is decisive event and will change history. We should all do our duty.

The goals are:

  • to end the war in Gaza,
  • to support Hamas in its victory.

It must be a triumph for all people in the region. It is in the interest of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

Arab and Muslim states must work on the prime goal. Condemnation statements are not enough. Boycott them (Israel and U.S.), refuse relations. Cut off oil supplies oil and gas from Israel.

No Arab state can deliver even a truck of goods to Gaza. Are they incapable of acting? No, they should listen to their people and wake up.

We had no knowledge of the Al-Aqsa flood. But on the very next day we started daily operations against Israel. What is taking place on our front is important.

Those who think that Hizbullah should wage total war on Israel – they should look at what is taking place on the Lebanese front. It is unprecedented. It will increase. All of Israel's positions are under siege. It is a different battle than in 2006 in tactics and weapons.

On the border line since October 7 the Israeli army moved out. It pulled all troops to the Gaza front. It called up reserves. Our operations keep the Israeli's army at our front and away from Gaza. A third of the Israeli army is now at our border line. Half of its navy is dedicated to our front. A quarter of its air force is. Half of its Iron Dome missiles. Forty three settlements were evacuated.

If the enemy starts to take action against Lebanon it will be its biggest mistake. 

Even as civilians had to move out our best fighters will stay in the south.

They told us that the U.S. would bomb us. I assure you that it did not change our position. The operation on our front will continue. Any escalation will depend on development of events in Gaza.

Any preemptive attack on Lebanon will be responded to. A civilian killed in Lebanon means a civilian will be killed in Israel. All options on our front are on the table.  They can be executed anytime.

To the Americans: it is pointless to threaten us. Your fleet in the Mediterranean can not cause us to fear. Remember your defeat in Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan.

To the whole world: In the name of the civilians, in the name of the bombed churches and mosques, you have to intervene to end the war in Gaza.

No matter of what our sacrifices are, we should be steadfast. Palestine will win.

We celebrate our fallen fighters. We celebrate the victory of Gaza.

-End of Nasrallah speech-

Probably better than the above was the more extensive live blogging done by L'orient today.

You may also want to read the spot-on preview of the speech as it was given earlier today by Elijah Magnier:

What is the role expected of Hezbollah in the Gaza war?

Posted by b on November 3, 2023 at 14:37 UTC | Permalink
Comments

Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 23:42 utc | 244
Trump was/is a rabid zionist. He spoke about Japan and other US vassals/protectorates obtaining their own nuclear weapons. Very specifically in the case of Japan and and I think south Korea, But he did not do that for Israel.
Because he it not a Zionist? or because Israel already have them. Israel operates under the full cover of US veto. It has the capability and what it needs to build nuclear warheads and there is no reason to think they have not already done so.
Missiles to mount them on? Short and intermediate range is no issues. Either built or acquired from US. They can easily be kept in small silos, on mobile launchers kept under cover, ect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 23:57 utc | 501

Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 23:42 utc | 244
Trump was/is a rabid zionist. He spoke about Japan and other US vassals/protectorates obtaining their own nuclear weapons. Very specifically in the case of Japan and and I think south Korea, But he did not do that for Israel.
Because he it not a Zionist? or because Israel already have them. Israel operates under the full cover of US veto. It has the capability and what it needs to build nuclear warheads and there is no reason to think they have not already done so.
Missiles to mount them on? Short and intermediate range is no issues. Either built or acquired from US. They can easily be kept in small silos, on mobile launchers kept under cover, ect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 23:57 utc | 502

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 3 2023 19:45 utc | 157:
China, Russia are remote enough to be excused from getting directly involved; besides they’re playing a long game, and to the extent that the hegemon has another crisis to manage, this situation clearly benefits them.
……
I disagree!!! No one is excused for not rising up and fight evil. This is a global fight against pure evil. It’s global. The Zionists were undertaking a policy of ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip, by force. Their next step is to cleanse Israel of Palestinians, in totality. This plan was in discussion prior to Oct. 7, 2023. Israel government even admitted to the existence of such a document proposed by Natenyahu and under discussion in Israeli government. It is to force migrate Palestinians to Sinai, then fund their relocation to Cairo. It is PURE EVIL! It is no different from Hitler’s final solution.
….
Russia and China should supply armaments to Palestinian resistances enough to duplicate whatever the Zionists are doing to Gaza and the WestBank.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 3 2023 20:54 utc | 176
I don’t think Netanyahu has admitted to having crafted the cleansing of Palestinians document. That said;
Perhaps you could examine what it took for a co-ordinated effort to address Hitler’s nazi germany and for it to become a reality?
In the aftermath of the war, Western allies in particular were heavily criticized by Jews for doing nothing about the death camps even though they knew about them.
The allies were in fact aware and doing what they thought practical to address not only that issue, but the greater one of defeating Hitler’s germany which would bring about the end of the concentration camps and the mechanism which allowed them to exist. Could they have bombed the railways bringing Jews to the camps? Yes. Would it have made a substantial difference? Perhaps, I don’t know. Railways can be repaired but it might have upset the methodical machine employed for a time.
The lives of many Allied Soldiers were lost in that quest and their families suffered their loss. The Soviet’s suffered by far the greatest loss. Some say 24 million lost souls of many ethnic and religious origins, was also a holocaust. They have a valid point imo.
The Russian’s mourned their dead and honoured them on special occasions but their was no specific political nor guilt based movement which ensued as a result to my knowledge.
To my point about the loved and lost, something no one ever seems to talk about is, there is no shortage of talk about guilt regarding the nazi’s treatment of Jews nor associated Western guilt, but it was the Allied Soldiers who stopped the nazi’s, stopped their wanton butchering.
I’ve never once read a comment from the Jewish Community thanking all those Soldiers and their families for their loss.
The Soldier whose ultimate sacrifice, which led to freeing the Jewish people from the grips of hilter’s madman, ended up just as dead as the victims of the holocaust. One could argue they died quickly I suppose, as opposed to those who withered under the nazi’s organized cleansing.
An ongoing public acknowledgement of the sacrifice by those who did so much is long overdue imho. Government leaders and their responsibilities are one thing, the foot soldier who gave his all, is separate.
That said, public sentiment across much of the Western world is now shifting. Even the American’s are very aware of it, but seem hamstrung by their own political system which boils down to the best government billions of dollars can buy.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 3 2023 23:58 utc | 503

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Nov 3 2023 19:45 utc | 157:
China, Russia are remote enough to be excused from getting directly involved; besides they’re playing a long game, and to the extent that the hegemon has another crisis to manage, this situation clearly benefits them.
……
I disagree!!! No one is excused for not rising up and fight evil. This is a global fight against pure evil. It’s global. The Zionists were undertaking a policy of ethnic cleansing of the Gaza strip, by force. Their next step is to cleanse Israel of Palestinians, in totality. This plan was in discussion prior to Oct. 7, 2023. Israel government even admitted to the existence of such a document proposed by Natenyahu and under discussion in Israeli government. It is to force migrate Palestinians to Sinai, then fund their relocation to Cairo. It is PURE EVIL! It is no different from Hitler’s final solution.
….
Russia and China should supply armaments to Palestinian resistances enough to duplicate whatever the Zionists are doing to Gaza and the WestBank.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 3 2023 20:54 utc | 176
I don’t think Netanyahu has admitted to having crafted the cleansing of Palestinians document. That said;
Perhaps you could examine what it took for a co-ordinated effort to address Hitler’s nazi germany and for it to become a reality?
In the aftermath of the war, Western allies in particular were heavily criticized by Jews for doing nothing about the death camps even though they knew about them.
The allies were in fact aware and doing what they thought practical to address not only that issue, but the greater one of defeating Hitler’s germany which would bring about the end of the concentration camps and the mechanism which allowed them to exist. Could they have bombed the railways bringing Jews to the camps? Yes. Would it have made a substantial difference? Perhaps, I don’t know. Railways can be repaired but it might have upset the methodical machine employed for a time.
The lives of many Allied Soldiers were lost in that quest and their families suffered their loss. The Soviet’s suffered by far the greatest loss. Some say 24 million lost souls of many ethnic and religious origins, was also a holocaust. They have a valid point imo.
The Russian’s mourned their dead and honoured them on special occasions but their was no specific political nor guilt based movement which ensued as a result to my knowledge.
To my point about the loved and lost, something no one ever seems to talk about is, there is no shortage of talk about guilt regarding the nazi’s treatment of Jews nor associated Western guilt, but it was the Allied Soldiers who stopped the nazi’s, stopped their wanton butchering.
I’ve never once read a comment from the Jewish Community thanking all those Soldiers and their families for their loss.
The Soldier whose ultimate sacrifice, which led to freeing the Jewish people from the grips of hilter’s madman, ended up just as dead as the victims of the holocaust. One could argue they died quickly I suppose, as opposed to those who withered under the nazi’s organized cleansing.
An ongoing public acknowledgement of the sacrifice by those who did so much is long overdue imho. Government leaders and their responsibilities are one thing, the foot soldier who gave his all, is separate.
That said, public sentiment across much of the Western world is now shifting. Even the American’s are very aware of it, but seem hamstrung by their own political system which boils down to the best government billions of dollars can buy.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 3 2023 23:58 utc | 504

I encourage people with the time to listen to the speech with subtitles, many more details were said, though the summary mentioned most if not all key ones. The strength of spirit, the rationality, and the hope in the speech were quite striking.
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I’d like to emphasize an important conditionality set by Nasrallah. That Hizballah’s response will be motivated by the following two, and sole two, factors:
– whether the Israeli regime’s attack on Gaza ceases
– the Israeli regime’s posture toward Lebanon
It was made clear that being threatened or bombed by the US or Israel would not move Hizballah’s response based on the above two factors.
Notably, this conditionality placed the responsibility for any escalation on parties other than Hizballah. It also indicated that Hizballah is mindful not to be blamed for any Israeli disproportional attack on Lebanon.
Later, he emphasized Hizballah’s 200,000 missiles ready to strike. He pointed out that the US and Israel together may have 3,000 or so interceptors, so that even if every single one succeeds, what would they do to the remaining 197,000?
At the same time, Nasrallah underscored that the current, contained operations against Israeli tanks, APCs, concentration of personnel, and chiefly surveillance equipment have a real effect on Israel and above all on Gaza as a relief and deterrent.
Once again, the rationality was evident throughout, but it’s worth a listen to sense the strength of the morality, commitment, and hope that it conveys.

Posted by: Observer | Nov 3 2023 23:58 utc | 505

I encourage people with the time to listen to the speech with subtitles, many more details were said, though the summary mentioned most if not all key ones. The strength of spirit, the rationality, and the hope in the speech were quite striking.
.
I’d like to emphasize an important conditionality set by Nasrallah. That Hizballah’s response will be motivated by the following two, and sole two, factors:
– whether the Israeli regime’s attack on Gaza ceases
– the Israeli regime’s posture toward Lebanon
It was made clear that being threatened or bombed by the US or Israel would not move Hizballah’s response based on the above two factors.
Notably, this conditionality placed the responsibility for any escalation on parties other than Hizballah. It also indicated that Hizballah is mindful not to be blamed for any Israeli disproportional attack on Lebanon.
Later, he emphasized Hizballah’s 200,000 missiles ready to strike. He pointed out that the US and Israel together may have 3,000 or so interceptors, so that even if every single one succeeds, what would they do to the remaining 197,000?
At the same time, Nasrallah underscored that the current, contained operations against Israeli tanks, APCs, concentration of personnel, and chiefly surveillance equipment have a real effect on Israel and above all on Gaza as a relief and deterrent.
Once again, the rationality was evident throughout, but it’s worth a listen to sense the strength of the morality, commitment, and hope that it conveys.

Posted by: Observer | Nov 3 2023 23:58 utc | 506

I’ve been waiting for someone to respond to my question at 201 – as I further stated, I messed up the first rendition, so here it is again with corrections in the final paragraph:

Thank you b, a very important post as it dispels some rumors about what the speech might contain and puts to shame those who are saying that Hezbollah are ‘doing nothing’. Nazrallah’s point about curtailing the Zionist assault on Gaza by engaging forces in the north is well taken.
I haven’t read all the comments as yet, but thanks also to karlof1 for Lavrov’s presser he linked.
My thought for today is that the whole thrust of Israel’s illegal actions has been permitted because statehood is claimed by it, and not as yet possible for the Palestinians. I would think strong arguments are being made behind the scenes that the two state solution, if finally implemented, would put the Palestinians in a far stronger position as far as UN deliberations and worldwide on a footing of international law are concerned, much as the legal formalities for Ukrainian oblasts joining Russia have done, even though cease fire implementation has not happened in the latter.
Could not such statehood proceed ‘By the book’ as it were? And wouldn’t then any claims on their lands and on their resources be cut short at the getgo?
Cease fire and then statehood? Would that, as with Russia,, the second of those two formalities might first be speedily accomplished!
My question would be, do they have to proceed in that order? Bombs were still falling when the two Ukrainian oblasts entered the Russian Federation. Might not statehood for Palestine proceed as a priority as well? [my bolds]
Posted by: juliania | Nov 3 2023 22:01 utc | 201

I hope the small changes I’ve made help buttress my two bolded questions. Thank you. If these are foolish and impossible questions to ask, I’d like to hear why. It could be it was easier for Russia because there already was a federal state and the oblasts were simply joining that. But surely since Israel unilaterally took on statehood, could not Palestine do the same?

Posted by: juliania | Nov 4 2023 0:02 utc | 507

I’ve been waiting for someone to respond to my question at 201 – as I further stated, I messed up the first rendition, so here it is again with corrections in the final paragraph:

Thank you b, a very important post as it dispels some rumors about what the speech might contain and puts to shame those who are saying that Hezbollah are ‘doing nothing’. Nazrallah’s point about curtailing the Zionist assault on Gaza by engaging forces in the north is well taken.
I haven’t read all the comments as yet, but thanks also to karlof1 for Lavrov’s presser he linked.
My thought for today is that the whole thrust of Israel’s illegal actions has been permitted because statehood is claimed by it, and not as yet possible for the Palestinians. I would think strong arguments are being made behind the scenes that the two state solution, if finally implemented, would put the Palestinians in a far stronger position as far as UN deliberations and worldwide on a footing of international law are concerned, much as the legal formalities for Ukrainian oblasts joining Russia have done, even though cease fire implementation has not happened in the latter.
Could not such statehood proceed ‘By the book’ as it were? And wouldn’t then any claims on their lands and on their resources be cut short at the getgo?
Cease fire and then statehood? Would that, as with Russia,, the second of those two formalities might first be speedily accomplished!
My question would be, do they have to proceed in that order? Bombs were still falling when the two Ukrainian oblasts entered the Russian Federation. Might not statehood for Palestine proceed as a priority as well? [my bolds]
Posted by: juliania | Nov 3 2023 22:01 utc | 201

I hope the small changes I’ve made help buttress my two bolded questions. Thank you. If these are foolish and impossible questions to ask, I’d like to hear why. It could be it was easier for Russia because there already was a federal state and the oblasts were simply joining that. But surely since Israel unilaterally took on statehood, could not Palestine do the same?

Posted by: juliania | Nov 4 2023 0:02 utc | 508

to Fanto at @197. You were looking where to get a not in my name t-shirt. I found a Not In My Name t-shirt on Amazon for $19 by typing in not in my name t-shirt in the amazon website search bar.

Posted by: Willow | Nov 4 2023 0:03 utc | 509

to Fanto at @197. You were looking where to get a not in my name t-shirt. I found a Not In My Name t-shirt on Amazon for $19 by typing in not in my name t-shirt in the amazon website search bar.

Posted by: Willow | Nov 4 2023 0:03 utc | 510

As if there isn’t enough chaos, North Korea reacts to failed US ICBM test. RT.com.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 0:05 utc | 511

As if there isn’t enough chaos, North Korea reacts to failed US ICBM test. RT.com.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 0:05 utc | 512

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 3 2023 23:44 utc | 247
According to Larry Johnson, a lot of US soldiers are dying in various base strikes in Syria and Iraq but Pentagon keeps a tight lid on the subject. Even tonight Iraq resistance claimed drone strikes on two bases.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 4 2023 0:10 utc | 513

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 3 2023 23:44 utc | 247
According to Larry Johnson, a lot of US soldiers are dying in various base strikes in Syria and Iraq but Pentagon keeps a tight lid on the subject. Even tonight Iraq resistance claimed drone strikes on two bases.

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 4 2023 0:10 utc | 514

Peter AU1, Agree. The US is running on empty. You should see what most of our cities look like. The homeless population near me in Sacramento is estimated at 10,000. We’re screwed.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 0:10 utc | 515

Peter AU1, Agree. The US is running on empty. You should see what most of our cities look like. The homeless population near me in Sacramento is estimated at 10,000. We’re screwed.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 0:10 utc | 516

Hold on! Wait a minute! Stop everything! Giyana, are you defending Hillter? The Holocaust was just a temper tantrum because the British were a bunch of dicks? Six million Jew were killed, but hey, Britain should have supported fascism like they’re almost King and his American wife did?
Posted by: Ed | Nov 3 2023 22:41 utc | 222
He was King and he fell out of favor with the establishment / Lords when he sympathized with the wretched conditions of the Welsh miners. Couldn’t have that, you know.
He had also appeared to favor hitler’s early stage worker friendly politics during his socialist period when Rohm was still a major figure. Thus he was labeled a nazi supporter, ostracized and attacked by the propaganda / whispering campaign of the day, and was run out of town.
That didn’t come from a book or newspaper article, it came from someone who was there at the time. Common people liked him btw.
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Posted by: bubbles | Nov 4 2023 0:10 utc | 517

Hold on! Wait a minute! Stop everything! Giyana, are you defending Hillter? The Holocaust was just a temper tantrum because the British were a bunch of dicks? Six million Jew were killed, but hey, Britain should have supported fascism like they’re almost King and his American wife did?
Posted by: Ed | Nov 3 2023 22:41 utc | 222
He was King and he fell out of favor with the establishment / Lords when he sympathized with the wretched conditions of the Welsh miners. Couldn’t have that, you know.
He had also appeared to favor hitler’s early stage worker friendly politics during his socialist period when Rohm was still a major figure. Thus he was labeled a nazi supporter, ostracized and attacked by the propaganda / whispering campaign of the day, and was run out of town.
That didn’t come from a book or newspaper article, it came from someone who was there at the time. Common people liked him btw.
.

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 4 2023 0:10 utc | 518

Giyane, what is it about Brummies and der fuhrer?
The Jews were being destroyed bit by bit from Day One in 1833. Like many posters here Hitler believed that the Bolsheviks were tools of ‘the Jews.’ To please his masters, the military, the financiers and the industrialists, he had contracted to kill all the Communists which was a great excuse for stealing everything the Jews in Germany had, collecting ransoms for those wanting to leave (and live) then working the rest to death in camps supplying slave labour to US corporations.
An interesting article by olive eagleton at sidecar. Imperial Designs
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/imperial-designs
It reminded me that when it comes to Apartheid the South Africans were more civilised, by degrees of magnitude, than the Zionists. The Palestinians were never offered Bantustans- the closest they got was the West Bank and that was no sooner ‘given’ to them than the settlers started flooding in. And killing every kid in sight.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 0:13 utc | 519

Giyane, what is it about Brummies and der fuhrer?
The Jews were being destroyed bit by bit from Day One in 1833. Like many posters here Hitler believed that the Bolsheviks were tools of ‘the Jews.’ To please his masters, the military, the financiers and the industrialists, he had contracted to kill all the Communists which was a great excuse for stealing everything the Jews in Germany had, collecting ransoms for those wanting to leave (and live) then working the rest to death in camps supplying slave labour to US corporations.
An interesting article by olive eagleton at sidecar. Imperial Designs
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/imperial-designs
It reminded me that when it comes to Apartheid the South Africans were more civilised, by degrees of magnitude, than the Zionists. The Palestinians were never offered Bantustans- the closest they got was the West Bank and that was no sooner ‘given’ to them than the settlers started flooding in. And killing every kid in sight.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 0:13 utc | 520

1933?

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 0:14 utc | 521

1933?

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 0:14 utc | 522

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 23:42 utc | 244

..Such a fight will topple Netanyahu’s government, will create havoc within Israeli society, and will lead to a mass exodus of dual-passport holders. It will destroy forever the myth of IDF invincibility, and will completely discredit Israel in the eyes of Washington swap creatures. ..
.. Whoah, hang on a moment. Are you suggesting that IF Hezbollah launches missiles at IDF naval bases, air fields and military HQs THEN the Israelis will retaliate by nuking Lebanon?..

– What do you mean by “Nasrallah” ? (HAMAS or Hezbollah – or what still today?)
– What should be “a mass exodus of dual-passport holders”?
– I hope you are still in a very proper stage when asking:
“.. the Israelis will retaliate by nuking Lebanon?..”
You are before the current wind is blowing – sorry, you’re thinking a little bit crazy but it’s interesting to hear about US + European like fears.

Posted by: spare_truth | Nov 4 2023 0:15 utc | 523

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 23:42 utc | 244

..Such a fight will topple Netanyahu’s government, will create havoc within Israeli society, and will lead to a mass exodus of dual-passport holders. It will destroy forever the myth of IDF invincibility, and will completely discredit Israel in the eyes of Washington swap creatures. ..
.. Whoah, hang on a moment. Are you suggesting that IF Hezbollah launches missiles at IDF naval bases, air fields and military HQs THEN the Israelis will retaliate by nuking Lebanon?..

– What do you mean by “Nasrallah” ? (HAMAS or Hezbollah – or what still today?)
– What should be “a mass exodus of dual-passport holders”?
– I hope you are still in a very proper stage when asking:
“.. the Israelis will retaliate by nuking Lebanon?..”
You are before the current wind is blowing – sorry, you’re thinking a little bit crazy but it’s interesting to hear about US + European like fears.

Posted by: spare_truth | Nov 4 2023 0:15 utc | 524

juliania | Nov 4 2023 0:02 utc | 253
To become a recognized state, the UNGA must vote on a resolution or application for Palestine to become a state. For that to occur, The UNSC must vote in favor with no vetos and then recommend UNGA vote on it. Currently both US and UK, possibly France would veto it.
Zero chance for Palestine to achieve statehood under current UN conditions.
Israel on the other hand was immediately granted statehood back in 1949. US immediately recognized Israel as a state when it declared independence quickly followed by the US recognition. For a state to be recognized at the UN, it is a prerequisite that the first recognize it as a state.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:18 utc | 525

juliania | Nov 4 2023 0:02 utc | 253
To become a recognized state, the UNGA must vote on a resolution or application for Palestine to become a state. For that to occur, The UNSC must vote in favor with no vetos and then recommend UNGA vote on it. Currently both US and UK, possibly France would veto it.
Zero chance for Palestine to achieve statehood under current UN conditions.
Israel on the other hand was immediately granted statehood back in 1949. US immediately recognized Israel as a state when it declared independence quickly followed by the US recognition. For a state to be recognized at the UN, it is a prerequisite that the first recognize it as a state.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:18 utc | 526

@ Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 3 2023 23:44 utc | 246
I’ve had a much higher estimation of Martyanov than you, but lately I’ve been wondering if his kippah is on too tight. The Kunstler essay is fundamentally objectionable. Come to think of it, neither Martyanov nor his buddy Larchmonter have retreated from their claim that that first hospital bombing was perped by Hamas.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 0:19 utc | 527

@ Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 3 2023 23:44 utc | 246
I’ve had a much higher estimation of Martyanov than you, but lately I’ve been wondering if his kippah is on too tight. The Kunstler essay is fundamentally objectionable. Come to think of it, neither Martyanov nor his buddy Larchmonter have retreated from their claim that that first hospital bombing was perped by Hamas.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 0:19 utc | 528

@218, spare-truth. You have to realize that US foreign policy is conducted by pschopaths with dual Israeli-American citizenship. They don’t care about us anymore than the Palestinians.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 0:20 utc | 529

@218, spare-truth. You have to realize that US foreign policy is conducted by pschopaths with dual Israeli-American citizenship. They don’t care about us anymore than the Palestinians.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 0:20 utc | 530

Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 0:10 utc | 257
A lot of videos can be found now showing tent cities within cities. Lot of litter and drugs and stuff. People who had lost hope.
I saw one not long back that had started to look more a shanty townlslum sort of thing and had been established for a long time. The people there mostly had jobs but could not afford or obtain normal housing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:26 utc | 531

Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 0:10 utc | 257
A lot of videos can be found now showing tent cities within cities. Lot of litter and drugs and stuff. People who had lost hope.
I saw one not long back that had started to look more a shanty townlslum sort of thing and had been established for a long time. The people there mostly had jobs but could not afford or obtain normal housing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:26 utc | 532

The one over riding factor in the considerations of the global south players in this conflict is to prevent it escalating to regional and global war. (…) US is now an empty shell running on faith alone. Faith in the dollar, faith in the stockmarkets ect. Once that faith goes it will go fast and the empty shell will implode.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 22:08 utc | 203
Russia’s and China’s actions indicate that, thankfully, this is exactly the strategy being pursued to put an end to US hegemony without destroying the entire world.
The other RoW regional players – including Nasrallah pertinently – have jumped on the same bandwagon, viewing it as the only sane option available when dealing with nuclear exceptionalists.
Hence, restraint will be shown, the death by thousand cuts mentioned, with the following goals:
a. Evaporate belief in the West’s supremacy
b. Increase internal divisions in the West
c. Stretch out the US, leading to thwarting their strategic plans and economic hemorrhage
d. Create a desirable alternative, based on global cooperation, with no new empire assuming the position of the last one.
China’s recent white paper A Global Community of Shared Future outlines the latter succinctly.
When all the above have gradually taken their toll on the West, no will shall be left in it to even consider waging a big war.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 4 2023 0:35 utc | 533

The one over riding factor in the considerations of the global south players in this conflict is to prevent it escalating to regional and global war. (…) US is now an empty shell running on faith alone. Faith in the dollar, faith in the stockmarkets ect. Once that faith goes it will go fast and the empty shell will implode.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 22:08 utc | 203
Russia’s and China’s actions indicate that, thankfully, this is exactly the strategy being pursued to put an end to US hegemony without destroying the entire world.
The other RoW regional players – including Nasrallah pertinently – have jumped on the same bandwagon, viewing it as the only sane option available when dealing with nuclear exceptionalists.
Hence, restraint will be shown, the death by thousand cuts mentioned, with the following goals:
a. Evaporate belief in the West’s supremacy
b. Increase internal divisions in the West
c. Stretch out the US, leading to thwarting their strategic plans and economic hemorrhage
d. Create a desirable alternative, based on global cooperation, with no new empire assuming the position of the last one.
China’s recent white paper A Global Community of Shared Future outlines the latter succinctly.
When all the above have gradually taken their toll on the West, no will shall be left in it to even consider waging a big war.

Posted by: Lathe Biosas | Nov 4 2023 0:35 utc | 534

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:26 utc | 265
Yup. In my post-retirement shot job (more for the activity than for the money), one of my colleagues lived on the parking lot.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 0:36 utc | 535

@ Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:26 utc | 265
Yup. In my post-retirement shot job (more for the activity than for the money), one of my colleagues lived on the parking lot.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 0:36 utc | 536

Observer | Nov 3 2023 23:58 utc | 252
Thanks for that summary. That also somewhat reinforces my thought that the main strategy of the various players is containment and preventing wider war. That will change quickly if US/Israel strike first.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:37 utc | 537

Observer | Nov 3 2023 23:58 utc | 252
Thanks for that summary. That also somewhat reinforces my thought that the main strategy of the various players is containment and preventing wider war. That will change quickly if US/Israel strike first.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:37 utc | 538

Not “shot job” of course. Let your imagination run free…

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 0:38 utc | 539

Not “shot job” of course. Let your imagination run free…

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 0:38 utc | 540

Posted by: Peter AU1 | No..v 4 2023 0:18 utc | 262

.. Zero chance for Palestine to achieve statehood under current UN conditions. ..

Thanks for this fact.
So, a “war” would not be accepted by UN as the currently Israel’s Armed Forces “defense measures” in GAZA (better named as a Genocide of Palstinians women+men+its children, current figures known).
Okay that’s all clarified. Same as on Putin’s international court Jail-Command.
But Nethan-Yohoo will easily travel round the world without any UN restrictions? Funny – or not?
Once more:
HAMAS and Hezbollah are even not existing today (having listened/seen any of its Presidents/Leaders on a press last days ..?).
So what’s now:
Further destroy the GAZA population as long as the Israel Armed Forces (IDF) and its MOSSAD-Intel devils can do, without totally having lost its international “peaceful” image.
We are attacked ! So we fight now “up to the end” – even cruel – listen to our Government, against Palestine + Lebanon !

Posted by: spare_truth | Nov 4 2023 0:39 utc | 541

Posted by: Peter AU1 | No..v 4 2023 0:18 utc | 262

.. Zero chance for Palestine to achieve statehood under current UN conditions. ..

Thanks for this fact.
So, a “war” would not be accepted by UN as the currently Israel’s Armed Forces “defense measures” in GAZA (better named as a Genocide of Palstinians women+men+its children, current figures known).
Okay that’s all clarified. Same as on Putin’s international court Jail-Command.
But Nethan-Yohoo will easily travel round the world without any UN restrictions? Funny – or not?
Once more:
HAMAS and Hezbollah are even not existing today (having listened/seen any of its Presidents/Leaders on a press last days ..?).
So what’s now:
Further destroy the GAZA population as long as the Israel Armed Forces (IDF) and its MOSSAD-Intel devils can do, without totally having lost its international “peaceful” image.
We are attacked ! So we fight now “up to the end” – even cruel – listen to our Government, against Palestine + Lebanon !

Posted by: spare_truth | Nov 4 2023 0:39 utc | 542

But be sure, Israel Government guys and your IDF plus the MOSSAD guys ..:
It will be a long distance but short-time “war” against you – be sure – think of your still existing land.
Think about Tel-Aviv as a town .. Bye.

Posted by: spare_truth | Nov 4 2023 0:43 utc | 543

But be sure, Israel Government guys and your IDF plus the MOSSAD guys ..:
It will be a long distance but short-time “war” against you – be sure – think of your still existing land.
Think about Tel-Aviv as a town .. Bye.

Posted by: spare_truth | Nov 4 2023 0:43 utc | 544

Intense FUD from the Empire’s troll army.
I think the Empire is scared.
Terrified, actually.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 0:53 utc | 545

Intense FUD from the Empire’s troll army.
I think the Empire is scared.
Terrified, actually.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 0:53 utc | 546

malenkov | Nov 4 2023 0:38 utc | 269
The gist of your comment was easy to see. Although we don’t seem to have those tent cities, most Australians would be quite surprised at the number of homeless living out of their cars. Many of these have jobs but through pay rate or other things cannot get housing. Still out of site, out of mind here.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:55 utc | 547

malenkov | Nov 4 2023 0:38 utc | 269
The gist of your comment was easy to see. Although we don’t seem to have those tent cities, most Australians would be quite surprised at the number of homeless living out of their cars. Many of these have jobs but through pay rate or other things cannot get housing. Still out of site, out of mind here.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:55 utc | 548

If I had a dollar for every American conservative who wants to shut down BDS and criticism of Israel, I’d be eating wagyu beef three times a day, every day for the rest of my life.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 3 2023 17:05 utc | 80
If I had a hammer…Wack a mole all day long.
I will bring the Madeira. You bring the steak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrbAyHVVYgI

Posted by: Angelo | Nov 4 2023 1:11 utc | 549

If I had a dollar for every American conservative who wants to shut down BDS and criticism of Israel, I’d be eating wagyu beef three times a day, every day for the rest of my life.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 3 2023 17:05 utc | 80
If I had a hammer…Wack a mole all day long.
I will bring the Madeira. You bring the steak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrbAyHVVYgI

Posted by: Angelo | Nov 4 2023 1:11 utc | 550

@Yeah,Right 219
Nazrallah was addressing himself directly to the White House, and to me the message was clear: put a muzzle on your rabid dog, or we will step in and do it for you.
You have that backwards. US (Biden) is on Israel’s leash. When Blinken went to Israel, he (supposedly) asked for a ceasefire. Israel declined and then just to show who is in charge, they fired on an ambulance convoy less than one hour after the meeting. It really looked like a big ‘middle finger’ to the US in my opinion. In fact they made it so obvious so other countries would absolutely know who is in charge.

Posted by: foggytowers7 | Nov 4 2023 1:16 utc | 551

@Yeah,Right 219
Nazrallah was addressing himself directly to the White House, and to me the message was clear: put a muzzle on your rabid dog, or we will step in and do it for you.
You have that backwards. US (Biden) is on Israel’s leash. When Blinken went to Israel, he (supposedly) asked for a ceasefire. Israel declined and then just to show who is in charge, they fired on an ambulance convoy less than one hour after the meeting. It really looked like a big ‘middle finger’ to the US in my opinion. In fact they made it so obvious so other countries would absolutely know who is in charge.

Posted by: foggytowers7 | Nov 4 2023 1:16 utc | 552

The Crusader kingdoms lasted nearly two centuries. That is to say, they lasted about a century after they lost Jerusalem.
As somebody has said, Israel will be lucky if it survives to celebrate its 80th birthday (in 2028).

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 4 2023 1:26 utc | 553

The Crusader kingdoms lasted nearly two centuries. That is to say, they lasted about a century after they lost Jerusalem.
As somebody has said, Israel will be lucky if it survives to celebrate its 80th birthday (in 2028).

Posted by: Lysias | Nov 4 2023 1:26 utc | 554

Hey Peter, in my humble town, miles north of our esteemed capital, we have several homeless camps. For the most part, they’re peaceful, but sometimes people just go crazy. And yes, the mortgage crisis saw many people who were once productive citizens lose all hope. It’s heaven on Earth./s.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 1:27 utc | 555

Hey Peter, in my humble town, miles north of our esteemed capital, we have several homeless camps. For the most part, they’re peaceful, but sometimes people just go crazy. And yes, the mortgage crisis saw many people who were once productive citizens lose all hope. It’s heaven on Earth./s.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 4 2023 1:27 utc | 556

Blinken conducted a press conference today after conferring with BIBI.
There was an elephant in the press room with Blinken.
He would not be there yakking about a two state solution unless something dramatic happened to bring him there. Which is what happened.
Hamas is the elephant that brought him there. Which is exactly what Hamas intended to do.
There was always lip service; but, there was never was any intention, much less serious moves, on the part Biden or his SOS to pursue a two state solution.
A prescient remark from 3 years ago:
“Unless Israelis and Palestinians give a President Biden a reason to get involved – either through a bloody confrontation, some destructive unilateral act or, less likely, some diplomatic initiative, he will have little reason to engage in any major way.”
https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/07/19/netanyahu-has-almost-nothing-to-fear-from-president-biden-pub-82330
Can Biden and Blinken bring about a two state solution which Israel vehemently opposes?
To answer that question perhaps we should look at the performance of the same two state Biden players today who a few years ago initiated the war in Ukraine.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy#

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Nov 4 2023 1:28 utc | 557

Blinken conducted a press conference today after conferring with BIBI.
There was an elephant in the press room with Blinken.
He would not be there yakking about a two state solution unless something dramatic happened to bring him there. Which is what happened.
Hamas is the elephant that brought him there. Which is exactly what Hamas intended to do.
There was always lip service; but, there was never was any intention, much less serious moves, on the part Biden or his SOS to pursue a two state solution.
A prescient remark from 3 years ago:
“Unless Israelis and Palestinians give a President Biden a reason to get involved – either through a bloody confrontation, some destructive unilateral act or, less likely, some diplomatic initiative, he will have little reason to engage in any major way.”
https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/07/19/netanyahu-has-almost-nothing-to-fear-from-president-biden-pub-82330
Can Biden and Blinken bring about a two state solution which Israel vehemently opposes?
To answer that question perhaps we should look at the performance of the same two state Biden players today who a few years ago initiated the war in Ukraine.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy#

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Nov 4 2023 1:28 utc | 558

I think who runs Biden and the whitehouse now realize they have stepped into a trap. Apart from world opinion which is a strong factor in weakening the US, Biden/Dem supporters are the woke yet they are supporting Palestine.
The rabid reps in the the senate/congress are calling for war and more war.
So now the whitehouse has to try and project the role of peacemaker in the middle east due to world and woke opinion with the reps screaming for war.
This will likely prevent US from escalating, but at the same time allowing Israel to continue somewhat in a business as usual way, perhaps just toning it down a bit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 1:28 utc | 559

I think who runs Biden and the whitehouse now realize they have stepped into a trap. Apart from world opinion which is a strong factor in weakening the US, Biden/Dem supporters are the woke yet they are supporting Palestine.
The rabid reps in the the senate/congress are calling for war and more war.
So now the whitehouse has to try and project the role of peacemaker in the middle east due to world and woke opinion with the reps screaming for war.
This will likely prevent US from escalating, but at the same time allowing Israel to continue somewhat in a business as usual way, perhaps just toning it down a bit.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 1:28 utc | 560

Karlof1 193
“pallets of Sabra hummus ”
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Thanks for the dig! It may be a small thing, but the constant appropriation of Levant food by the Zionists is just another little thorn in the side of those who know who invented this delicious dish and others taken over by the occupiers. F— the Sabra brand!!
Next up: Genocide knishes!!

Posted by: Jane | Nov 4 2023 1:36 utc | 561

Karlof1 193
“pallets of Sabra hummus ”
===============
Thanks for the dig! It may be a small thing, but the constant appropriation of Levant food by the Zionists is just another little thorn in the side of those who know who invented this delicious dish and others taken over by the occupiers. F— the Sabra brand!!
Next up: Genocide knishes!!

Posted by: Jane | Nov 4 2023 1:36 utc | 562

“The Pentagon has deepened its role in the Israel-Gaza conflict, revealed in the fact that advanced US surveillance drones are now in active operations over the Gaza Strip.
A US military spokesman on Friday confirmed fresh NY Times reporting which said MQ-9 Reaper drones have been among the UAVs flying over the region, including off the Lebanese coast as tensions with Hezbollah soar.”

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 1:41 utc | 563

“The Pentagon has deepened its role in the Israel-Gaza conflict, revealed in the fact that advanced US surveillance drones are now in active operations over the Gaza Strip.
A US military spokesman on Friday confirmed fresh NY Times reporting which said MQ-9 Reaper drones have been among the UAVs flying over the region, including off the Lebanese coast as tensions with Hezbollah soar.”

Posted by: librul | Nov 4 2023 1:41 utc | 564

It was to 100% a Palestinian operation. They were silent and did not tell anyone, not even their allies. The operation proves that decisions of the resistance factions are in the hands of the respective leaders. The Islamic Republic of Iran had no say in this.

The tech used is not Palestinian but ‘Iranian’. Medium distance rockets, drones, comms the stuff Iranians assembled/got from China who got that know how from Israel for $$$$$$$$.
The timing of October 7th is noteworthy: distracting from the war in Ukraine plus the Taiwan tensions. Zero chance of winning for Hamas, a ‘self’-sacrifice of cannon fodder dummies . Not the Hamas top in Qatar apartments of course.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 4 2023 1:41 utc | 565

It was to 100% a Palestinian operation. They were silent and did not tell anyone, not even their allies. The operation proves that decisions of the resistance factions are in the hands of the respective leaders. The Islamic Republic of Iran had no say in this.

The tech used is not Palestinian but ‘Iranian’. Medium distance rockets, drones, comms the stuff Iranians assembled/got from China who got that know how from Israel for $$$$$$$$.
The timing of October 7th is noteworthy: distracting from the war in Ukraine plus the Taiwan tensions. Zero chance of winning for Hamas, a ‘self’-sacrifice of cannon fodder dummies . Not the Hamas top in Qatar apartments of course.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 4 2023 1:41 utc | 566

@Posted by: Phil R | Nov 3 2023 22:41 utc | 221
Just go look at “Pearl River Delta”, half of China’s manufacturing industry is there. All very close to sea level. Beijing is also relatively close to the northern desert that would expand with increased global temperatures.
They also lead in pretty much every green technology, so climate change action is also good for business.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 4 2023 1:44 utc | 567

@Posted by: Phil R | Nov 3 2023 22:41 utc | 221
Just go look at “Pearl River Delta”, half of China’s manufacturing industry is there. All very close to sea level. Beijing is also relatively close to the northern desert that would expand with increased global temperatures.
They also lead in pretty much every green technology, so climate change action is also good for business.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 4 2023 1:44 utc | 568

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:18 utc | 262
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Putin bypassed these gatekeeper processes when Russia recognized the Donbass Republics.
The world still works on the timeless premise that the guy willing to fight gets to recognize things.
We’re probably less than 10 years from the Palestine situation being resolved for good in favor of the Palestinians.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 1:48 utc | 569

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 0:18 utc | 262
################
Putin bypassed these gatekeeper processes when Russia recognized the Donbass Republics.
The world still works on the timeless premise that the guy willing to fight gets to recognize things.
We’re probably less than 10 years from the Palestine situation being resolved for good in favor of the Palestinians.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 1:48 utc | 570

@Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 23:21 utc | 236
Agreed. Hezbollah is dependent upon Iran and there are larger games being played out here. The US (and the West) is taking a huge hit with the Other 7 Billion here which it will never recover from. Just as Russia has been very careful in Ukraine so as to keep the 7 billion on its side (it has many other irons in the fire to maintain) so does Iran. With Iran now heavily aligned with China and Russia it must also take into account their interests.
Israel has yet to get fully bogged down in urban fighting that will create masses of civilian and IDF casualties, way beyond what we have seen currently. Also, public and even some elite opinion is rapidly turning against the Western governments support for the Gaza ethnic cleansing. This needs to be played out before Iran/Hezbollah makes further decisions. Let’s remember that any existential threat to Israel will produce an absolutely lunatic response from the Zionist leadership in Israel and the US.
Better to leave a man to it when he is stabbing himself, and that is exactly what Israel and the West is currently doing. Iran, Russia, China etc. know that the US/West will continue to weaken, and Israel will slowly bleed out as its best and brightest leave for safer climes. Patience is a virtue here, perhaps within a decade the balance of power will be very, very different. That may mean sacrificing the Gazan population but geopolitics can be a very cold-hearted game.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 4 2023 1:59 utc | 571

@Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 23:21 utc | 236
Agreed. Hezbollah is dependent upon Iran and there are larger games being played out here. The US (and the West) is taking a huge hit with the Other 7 Billion here which it will never recover from. Just as Russia has been very careful in Ukraine so as to keep the 7 billion on its side (it has many other irons in the fire to maintain) so does Iran. With Iran now heavily aligned with China and Russia it must also take into account their interests.
Israel has yet to get fully bogged down in urban fighting that will create masses of civilian and IDF casualties, way beyond what we have seen currently. Also, public and even some elite opinion is rapidly turning against the Western governments support for the Gaza ethnic cleansing. This needs to be played out before Iran/Hezbollah makes further decisions. Let’s remember that any existential threat to Israel will produce an absolutely lunatic response from the Zionist leadership in Israel and the US.
Better to leave a man to it when he is stabbing himself, and that is exactly what Israel and the West is currently doing. Iran, Russia, China etc. know that the US/West will continue to weaken, and Israel will slowly bleed out as its best and brightest leave for safer climes. Patience is a virtue here, perhaps within a decade the balance of power will be very, very different. That may mean sacrificing the Gazan population but geopolitics can be a very cold-hearted game.

Posted by: Roger | Nov 4 2023 1:59 utc | 572

re Observer | Nov 3 2023 23:58 utc | 252
many thanks to you for your astute observations
I also note the “the strength of the morality, commitment, and hope that it conveys.”
well said
USA and Israel have met their match in the Axis

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 4 2023 2:01 utc | 573

re Observer | Nov 3 2023 23:58 utc | 252
many thanks to you for your astute observations
I also note the “the strength of the morality, commitment, and hope that it conveys.”
well said
USA and Israel have met their match in the Axis

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 4 2023 2:01 utc | 574

@ Willow | Nov 4 2023 | 254
Thank you for the information about T-shirts with not in my name imprint.
After my comment was posted I also thought about the lapel button with the same. And thinking about it, I realized that most people, myself included, will be very very hesitant to walk around with such overt statement on your chest or lapel. Why? because there are many people whom you know in your neighborhood, those on Christian Right, people of jewish faith who will immediately think that you are anti-Israel, or worse. They may start to investigate where you work etc. and in no time your name is tarnished, your children can be affected by the action of the parents – and most people will say – don’t make waves, ‘this is not my fight’, ‘I have kids to feed’, etc.
This is a huge issue, because it means that US society is sick to the core. The tiny minority of influential people with money, actually have hijacked the media, the sports, the academic world, the government – and are able to punish dissent – as one Senator Schumer famously pronounced in another context – in many ways from now to Sunday (paraphrasing him).
I read the book by Ernst Wiechert “Der Totenwald” – about his experience in Buchenwald concentration camp. The atmosphere in pre-war Germany, before his incarceration, is well described – of being suspicious of what you do say or do not say, what you do show, or do not show, is eerily reminding of what I am experiencing here and now. No concentration camps here, no oh no, that would be below the thinking of the opinion makers, just blacklisting is enough! I never ever thought it possible in the USA. It was so easy to condemn Germans for their support for Nazis, and for their lack of courage in public sphere ‘Zivilcourage’, something that JF Kennedy wrote about.
I wrote to the senators in my state and both of them responded (surprise! promptly) with the same mealy mouth legend about Israel. I wonder if my name was supplied to the “Fusion point”. Electronically it should be easy.

Posted by: fanto | Nov 4 2023 2:05 utc | 575

@ Willow | Nov 4 2023 | 254
Thank you for the information about T-shirts with not in my name imprint.
After my comment was posted I also thought about the lapel button with the same. And thinking about it, I realized that most people, myself included, will be very very hesitant to walk around with such overt statement on your chest or lapel. Why? because there are many people whom you know in your neighborhood, those on Christian Right, people of jewish faith who will immediately think that you are anti-Israel, or worse. They may start to investigate where you work etc. and in no time your name is tarnished, your children can be affected by the action of the parents – and most people will say – don’t make waves, ‘this is not my fight’, ‘I have kids to feed’, etc.
This is a huge issue, because it means that US society is sick to the core. The tiny minority of influential people with money, actually have hijacked the media, the sports, the academic world, the government – and are able to punish dissent – as one Senator Schumer famously pronounced in another context – in many ways from now to Sunday (paraphrasing him).
I read the book by Ernst Wiechert “Der Totenwald” – about his experience in Buchenwald concentration camp. The atmosphere in pre-war Germany, before his incarceration, is well described – of being suspicious of what you do say or do not say, what you do show, or do not show, is eerily reminding of what I am experiencing here and now. No concentration camps here, no oh no, that would be below the thinking of the opinion makers, just blacklisting is enough! I never ever thought it possible in the USA. It was so easy to condemn Germans for their support for Nazis, and for their lack of courage in public sphere ‘Zivilcourage’, something that JF Kennedy wrote about.
I wrote to the senators in my state and both of them responded (surprise! promptly) with the same mealy mouth legend about Israel. I wonder if my name was supplied to the “Fusion point”. Electronically it should be easy.

Posted by: fanto | Nov 4 2023 2:05 utc | 576

This war will end with the total extermination of all Palestinians by the Jewish cock-suckers and the Arab world will do nothing about it.
Prove me wrong. I dare you. I wish for it.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:06 utc | 577

This war will end with the total extermination of all Palestinians by the Jewish cock-suckers and the Arab world will do nothing about it.
Prove me wrong. I dare you. I wish for it.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:06 utc | 578

If I had a dollar for every American conservative who wants to shut down BDS and criticism of Israel, I’d be eating wagyu beef three times a day, every day for the rest of my life.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 3 2023 17:05 utc | 80
____
Hey, if I had a dollar for every American “liberal” who felt the same way, I could buy a Swiss chalet.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:09 utc | 579

If I had a dollar for every American conservative who wants to shut down BDS and criticism of Israel, I’d be eating wagyu beef three times a day, every day for the rest of my life.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 3 2023 17:05 utc | 80
____
Hey, if I had a dollar for every American “liberal” who felt the same way, I could buy a Swiss chalet.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:09 utc | 580

From rt.com ” Israel launches attack on Russia at UN West Jerusalem said it would not accept any criticism from Moscow”. Does that mean Russia will activate its S400 system in Syria against IDF attacks?

Posted by: Calgary Guy | Nov 4 2023 2:12 utc | 581

From rt.com ” Israel launches attack on Russia at UN West Jerusalem said it would not accept any criticism from Moscow”. Does that mean Russia will activate its S400 system in Syria against IDF attacks?

Posted by: Calgary Guy | Nov 4 2023 2:12 utc | 582

I think the Empire is scared.
Terrified, actually.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 0:53 utc | 272
____
Wrong-o. The empire gets hard—or wet, depending on sex—at the thought of having new (or the same old; that works too) countries to obliterate. Cha-chinnngg!
In fact, I imagine Blinkieboy is, despite all yammering in front of the cameras, working to arrange the next war as I type this.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:14 utc | 583

I think the Empire is scared.
Terrified, actually.
Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 4 2023 0:53 utc | 272
____
Wrong-o. The empire gets hard—or wet, depending on sex—at the thought of having new (or the same old; that works too) countries to obliterate. Cha-chinnngg!
In fact, I imagine Blinkieboy is, despite all yammering in front of the cameras, working to arrange the next war as I type this.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:14 utc | 584

Posted by: Calgary Guy | Nov 4 2023 2:12 utc | 290

From rt.com ” Israel launches attack on Russia at UN West Jerusalem said it would not accept any criticism from Moscow”. Does that mean Russia will activate its S400 system in Syria against IDF attacks?

Per the RT article:

On Wednesday, Nebenzia told an emergency session of the UN General Assembly that Israel could not cite self-defense as a reason for its invasion into Gaza, as it had no jurisdiction to operate in the enclave in the first place and was acting as an “occupying power” there.
Israel’s ambassador to the international body, Gilad Erdan, hit back by saying it was “ridiculous to hear … the Russian representative preach morality to Israel on the issues of human rights and international law.” He also said Moscow was “the last place that can preach to us,” pointing out Russia’s expulsion from the UN Human Rights Council.

Not exactly a threat concerning kinetic activities, BUT it’s for sure one more straw on the back of the camel…

Posted by: Seer | Nov 4 2023 2:30 utc | 585

Posted by: Calgary Guy | Nov 4 2023 2:12 utc | 290

From rt.com ” Israel launches attack on Russia at UN West Jerusalem said it would not accept any criticism from Moscow”. Does that mean Russia will activate its S400 system in Syria against IDF attacks?

Per the RT article:

On Wednesday, Nebenzia told an emergency session of the UN General Assembly that Israel could not cite self-defense as a reason for its invasion into Gaza, as it had no jurisdiction to operate in the enclave in the first place and was acting as an “occupying power” there.
Israel’s ambassador to the international body, Gilad Erdan, hit back by saying it was “ridiculous to hear … the Russian representative preach morality to Israel on the issues of human rights and international law.” He also said Moscow was “the last place that can preach to us,” pointing out Russia’s expulsion from the UN Human Rights Council.

Not exactly a threat concerning kinetic activities, BUT it’s for sure one more straw on the back of the camel…

Posted by: Seer | Nov 4 2023 2:30 utc | 586

From rt.com ” Israel launches attack on Russia at UN West Jerusalem said it would not accept any criticism from Moscow”. Does that mean Russia will activate its S400 system in Syria against IDF attacks?
Posted by: Calgary Guy | Nov 4 2023 2:12 utc | 290
Nah. They’ll let the Chosen People have its way.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:37 utc | 587

From rt.com ” Israel launches attack on Russia at UN West Jerusalem said it would not accept any criticism from Moscow”. Does that mean Russia will activate its S400 system in Syria against IDF attacks?
Posted by: Calgary Guy | Nov 4 2023 2:12 utc | 290
Nah. They’ll let the Chosen People have its way.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:37 utc | 588

@ Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:37 utc | 293
In all fairness — this as explanation, not excuse — Russia has a powerful and wealthy Zionist fifth column inside her borders.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:42 utc | 589

@ Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:37 utc | 293
In all fairness — this as explanation, not excuse — Russia has a powerful and wealthy Zionist fifth column inside her borders.

Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:42 utc | 590

bubbles@258
You are wrong.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 2:46 utc | 591

bubbles@258
You are wrong.

Posted by: bevin | Nov 4 2023 2:46 utc | 592

LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 1:48 utc | 284
I would say less than ten years. Re Russia and Donbas. Russia was in a unique position there. In Donbass the people were/are Russian and the area known as Ukraine created by early communist drawing lines on a map that enclosed several ethnic groups.
Minsk agreements were passed in a UNSC resolution so that became international law. When the west failed to uphold that Russia simply announced it Recognized the Donbass republics as independent states as per their much earlier referendum. Lawful with international law. A grey area but nothing that can prove it unlawful.
In saying that, only Syria and perhaps one or two others recognize the referendums (Publicly at least). Not even China. the problem being that they may be or are subject to separatist movements backed by the US.
Not being recognized by the world meant they were totally reliant on Russia, but joining/becoming part of Russia has solved most of those issues.
Everything outside the frozen conflicts of the ex soviet states is different, due to the conflicts on Russian borders concerns ethnic Russians who become citizens/non citizens of other countries at the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 2:46 utc | 593

LoveDonbass | Nov 4 2023 1:48 utc | 284
I would say less than ten years. Re Russia and Donbas. Russia was in a unique position there. In Donbass the people were/are Russian and the area known as Ukraine created by early communist drawing lines on a map that enclosed several ethnic groups.
Minsk agreements were passed in a UNSC resolution so that became international law. When the west failed to uphold that Russia simply announced it Recognized the Donbass republics as independent states as per their much earlier referendum. Lawful with international law. A grey area but nothing that can prove it unlawful.
In saying that, only Syria and perhaps one or two others recognize the referendums (Publicly at least). Not even China. the problem being that they may be or are subject to separatist movements backed by the US.
Not being recognized by the world meant they were totally reliant on Russia, but joining/becoming part of Russia has solved most of those issues.
Everything outside the frozen conflicts of the ex soviet states is different, due to the conflicts on Russian borders concerns ethnic Russians who become citizens/non citizens of other countries at the breakup of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 4 2023 2:46 utc | 594

@ Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:37 utc | 293
In all fairness — this as explanation, not excuse — Russia has a powerful and wealthy Zionist fifth column inside her borders.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:42 utc | 294
I know, thus I said what I said. The kike mafia will murder every single pally on Earth before Russia dares to do something about it.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:47 utc | 595

@ Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:37 utc | 293
In all fairness — this as explanation, not excuse — Russia has a powerful and wealthy Zionist fifth column inside her borders.
Posted by: malenkov | Nov 4 2023 2:42 utc | 294
I know, thus I said what I said. The kike mafia will murder every single pally on Earth before Russia dares to do something about it.

Posted by: Tichy | Nov 4 2023 2:47 utc | 596

@ 113 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 3 2023 17:53 utc | 113
Re Hezbollah and oxyx P800
Hezbollah does indeed have Onyx anti ship missiles.
I can also site Russian sources.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/71173

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 4 2023 2:49 utc | 597

@ 113 Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 3 2023 17:53 utc | 113
Re Hezbollah and oxyx P800
Hezbollah does indeed have Onyx anti ship missiles.
I can also site Russian sources.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/71173

Posted by: Golddigger | Nov 4 2023 2:49 utc | 598

my thoughts go to history for Israel has already addressed the issue of Palestine self declaring statehood previously (netanyahu i think) … that to would make no difference to them —
(from memory, don’t quote me, but consider the history) Palestine would still not be allowed to have a MILITARY self-defense force of any kind …. would not be allowed to run it’s own internal security services without Israeli direct intervention, that it’s borders would not be recognized and what was there would remain controlled by IDF … that it as a state would not be recognized by Israel either …. iow Israel would continue to contain and treat the Palestinians the same way as they do now — only they would cut off ALL FUNDING TO THEM ACROSS THE BOARD — AND SERVICES LIKE POWER WATER FUEL TRANSPORTATION AND IMPORTED SUPPLIES FROM THE WORLD BLACKED — and they would never relinquish Jerusalem City as whole.
That is the gist of what the current powers that rule Israel said and believe — there is no two state solution – they have never wanted one and will never accept one.
Which kind of makes a Palestinian State moot so long as Israel exists
… therefore back to the very beginning — the only solution is one state called Palestine – with a right of return for all Palestinian refugees across the world.
The civil war would continue until all violent (illegal immigrant) Zionist Jews were evicted enmass; and deported as refugees or killed or jailed for life. (which is what they all deserve)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 4 2023 2:50 utc | 599

my thoughts go to history for Israel has already addressed the issue of Palestine self declaring statehood previously (netanyahu i think) … that to would make no difference to them —
(from memory, don’t quote me, but consider the history) Palestine would still not be allowed to have a MILITARY self-defense force of any kind …. would not be allowed to run it’s own internal security services without Israeli direct intervention, that it’s borders would not be recognized and what was there would remain controlled by IDF … that it as a state would not be recognized by Israel either …. iow Israel would continue to contain and treat the Palestinians the same way as they do now — only they would cut off ALL FUNDING TO THEM ACROSS THE BOARD — AND SERVICES LIKE POWER WATER FUEL TRANSPORTATION AND IMPORTED SUPPLIES FROM THE WORLD BLACKED — and they would never relinquish Jerusalem City as whole.
That is the gist of what the current powers that rule Israel said and believe — there is no two state solution – they have never wanted one and will never accept one.
Which kind of makes a Palestinian State moot so long as Israel exists
… therefore back to the very beginning — the only solution is one state called Palestine – with a right of return for all Palestinian refugees across the world.
The civil war would continue until all violent (illegal immigrant) Zionist Jews were evicted enmass; and deported as refugees or killed or jailed for life. (which is what they all deserve)

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 4 2023 2:50 utc | 600

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