Thank you b, a very important post as it dispels some rumors both about what the speech might contain and puts to shame those who are saying that Hizbullah are ‘doing nothing’. Nazrallah’s point about curtailing the Zionist assault on Gaza by engaging forces in the north is well taken.
I haven’t read all the comments as yet, but thanks also to karlof1 for Lavrov’s presser he linked. My thought for today is that the whole thrust of Israel’s illegal actions has been permitted because statehood is claimed by it and not as yet possible for the Palestinians. I would think strong arguments are being made that even the two state solution if finally implemented would put them in a far stronger position as far as UN deliberations and worldwide on a footing of international law, much as the legal formalities for Ukrainian entities joining Russia have done. ‘By the book’ as it were, before any actual support for Palestine as a state can further be implemented. As too, any claims on their lands and on their resources cut short at the getgo.
Ceasefire, then statehood. Would that as with Russia, those two formalities can be speedily accomplished. My question would be, do they have to proceed in that order? Bombs were still falling when the two Ukrainian oblasts entered the Russian Federation. Might not statehood for Palestine proceed as a priority as well?

Posted by: juliania | Nov 3 2023 22:01 utc | 403

When is the world going to start calling out the Arab States? They still sell oil and trade with Israel. They tweet and say the right stuff but do absolutely nothing about the genocide going on.
Saudi is going to allow Patriots to be installed on their land so Israel is better protected. While they bomb kids and babies to ground meat.
Quatar still hosting US bases and soldiers like good servant its embarrasing.
I believe 90% of the muslim governmenta are ok with Gaza being wiped out.

Posted by: Comandante | Nov 3 2023 22:07 utc | 405

I’d really like to know what the personal assessments are of Hamas and the Arc of Resistance’s long game strategy is by the Russians and Chinese.
karlof1 | Nov 3 2023 21:37 utc | 193
My thought is that all have their strategies aligned. To me it is obvious Russia has close contacts with Hamas when Hamas publicly stated that they trust Russia.
The Russia China joint statement aimed squarely at the Empire of lies. I think all of what we are seeing now comes within that.
The sanctions from hell and Russia’s foreign currency, 300 billion or so. Early on you had the suspicion that may have been left out as bait. I doubted that at first, but as we have seen, it was the catalyst, the kick starter for the multi-polar world. What we are seeing now is the further Isolation of the Empire of Lies which will be another major boost for the Multi-polar world and further dedollarization.
At the moment it appears only Hindutva India stands in the way of a new trade currency. Perhaps due to its stance with Israel, the Hindutva’s will be bypassed.
It is terrible what is occurring in Gaza and I don’t like to look at images coming from there, but what we have seen in the past, Russia does not step in directly until those targeted have remained standing and committed even after great sacrifices.
It seems like this is a purely Hamas initiative, perhaps tweaked a little to fit in with the other players and the Russia China partnership.
What many miss seeing is that rather than the global south coming under a single unified command and strategy, the strategy of each player is conflicted with the strategies of the other players. Each having strategies according to their own strengths.
The one over riding factor in the considerations of the global south players in this conflict is to prevent it escalating to regional and global war. US actions to date have already greatly weakened the US. Simply bringing the killing to back down to a low level without going to a wider war will be a win as the US will have been greatly weakened and the global south stronger and more united.
US is now an empty shell running on faith alone. Faith in the dollar, faith in the stockmarkets ect. Once that faith goes it will go fast and the empty shell will implode.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 22:08 utc | 407

In my final paragraph at 201, for clarity the second sentence should read:
“Would that, as with Russia, the second of those two formalities could be speedily accomplished!”
Sorry I left out both the exclamation point and the emphasis on statehood. Sometimes my keyboard sticks and occupies me by jumping the cursor where I don’t want it to go. Which distracts my attention enough that errors ensue. Apologies.

Posted by: juliania | Nov 3 2023 22:12 utc | 409

Giyane | Nov 3 2023 21:51 utc | 198 “When Britain turned against him, he destroyed the Jews.”
Read Mein Kampf.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 22:12 utc | 411

Here’s a heartfelt story of a girl without a country, which won a few awards.
a reminder: Israel’s position on borders was determined by UNSC 242 on November 22, 1967. . .Israel supported the resolution because it called on the Arab states to accept Israel’s right “to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.” So Israel’s recognized boundaries are the ‘Mandatory Palestine’ borders from the past. Palestine was not mentioned in 242. . . .On March 25, 2019, the United States officially recognized the Golan Heights (in Syria) as being under the sovereignty of Israel.
Meanwhile, here’s Liar Blinken: “So in conversations that we’ll be having through the course of this weekend, I expect you’ll see a focus there and particularly how we can get, over time, to two states for two peoples.” . .sure, over time. . .that’ll work. . .s/

Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 3 2023 22:15 utc | 413

I should also have referenced the link to Lavrov’s presser was posted by: karlof1 | Nov 3 2023 15:12 utc | 12

Posted by: juliania | Nov 3 2023 22:16 utc | 415

… it strikes me that the proper word to use is “God”, not “Allah” for the equivalent Arabic word.
Using the transliteration of the Arabic word implies it’s not the same God as Christians and Jews believe inUsing the transliteration of the Arabic word implies it’s not the same God as Christians and Jews believe in.
Posted by: BillB | Nov 3 2023 21:37 utc | 194
Allah is the Name God had given Himself in the Muslim Scripture. It is synonymous with the ONE and Only GOD of all creation.
Besides, GOD (and what it implies in other persuasions) is too deep and sensitive a subject to discuss casually on such a forum without hurting peoples sensitivities and beliefs. You may want to research for yourself the meaning and implications of God in Islam.

Posted by: sal | Nov 3 2023 22:19 utc | 417

“The simple, brutish truth is this: If the Moslem countries are too cowardly to fight for the Palestinians’ existence, the Jews will kill them all. And here’s another guarantee – if the Jews aren’t stopped now, within a decade there will be NO Palestinians left in Israel.”
Posted by: HOGGY | Nov 3 2023 15:31 utc | 22
It is not “the Jews” who are doing the killing and exploiting. It is Jewish Zionists and the Christian Zionists who support them who are doing the killing. Jews’ are persons who follow or whose ancestors followed the Judaic faith, and Judaism is the base of the great Abrahamic religions. The evil now is the Zionist ideology, a false religious and social policy inculcated by British imperialists and closely resembling Nazism. It is very important to focus on the real problem, not dwell in emotional outrage.

Posted by: Tedder | Nov 3 2023 22:21 utc | 419

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 3 2023 21:52 utc | 199:

For our friend Oriental Voice, What’s the institute’s name?

Chen Wenhong is the director of a Hong Kong based think tank associated with the Zhuhai University of Hong Kong. Zhuhai College used to be funded by Kuomintong (the Taiwan political party), and probably still is. But Zhuhai for now is actively in cooperation with the BRI Research Institute of Shenzhen, China. He is about my age, mid-70’s. I don’t know if he serves on Oriental Daily’s editorial board, but he has a daily column in the paper, and is a highly respected geopolitical commentator in both Hong Kong and China.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 3 2023 22:28 utc | 421

Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 22:08 utc | 203–
Thanks for your reply. We might also say the Empire’s under siege too, although it’s harder to see because of Media Might. Europe’s much weaker and will collapse much sooner. As someone famously said, Timing is everything.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 3 2023 22:28 utc | 423

The first paragraph of the long machine translation quote by karlof1 is worth reposting.
“The leader of Hamas publicly stated that the October 7 raid was due to the policy of the
Netanyahu regime. After the raid, the documents on the Israeli army’s proposal were made public, and the Israeli government also admitted that they were true, but emphasized that they were only discussion documents, not a policy. The content of the document is a plan to drive all of the more than two million people in Gaza to the desert of the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt, and vacate Gaza and return it to Israel. Israel paid to relocate residents of Sinai to Cairo. At the same time, there are also legends that Israel plans to move Palestinians from the occupied areas of the West Bank and rush to Jordan, allowing Jews to completely colonize the area. As for the whereabouts of the Arabs (i.e. Palestinians) who remain in Israel and account for 20% of the local population, it is unclear, and there is a good chance that they will be purged and Israel will be turned into a purely Jewish area.”
For anyone who thinks the Palestians won’t and/or are not willing to go through great sacrifice, read that paragraph and think again. They are now at the end of the line, backs to the wall. Israel fully intends ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. The Chinese obviously are fully aware of this, as will be Russia and the rest of the global south players.
For the Palestinians time is now on their side. The global south is on their side. The longer they tie up Israel in Gaza, the weaker Israel and the US become.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 22:31 utc | 425

To Karl, #199:
Thanks for posting the translation. When I read the Chinese version, I thought this ought to be shared by the wider audience of MOA.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 3 2023 22:31 utc | 427

Oriental Voice | Nov 3 2023 22:28 utc | 210–
Thanks very much for your reply. I wanted to give full credit as I’m posing that item at my substack and needed the institution’s name since the author provides his. I’ll be citing your whole description since it provides the basis for its credibility.
Thanks again!!

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 3 2023 22:33 utc | 429

Oriental Voice | Nov 3 2023 22:28 utc | 210
Thanks for bringing it to this forum.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 22:34 utc | 431

Tedder | Nov 3 2023 22:21 utc | 209
*** Judaism is the base of the great Abrahamic religions. The evil now is the Zionist ideology, a false religious and social policy inculcated by British imperialists and closely resembling Nazism. It is very important to focus on the real problem, not dwell in emotional outrage.***
In the case of Zionism, yes it was (for ulterior motives) promoted from comparative obscurity by the UK Foreign Office …. but that ideology had to be constructed around something which already existed — and where Jewish ideology / theology is concerned, didn’t the existence of the often extremely nasty Talmuddic and Kabbalistic stuff long precede any possible sponsorship or encouragement by British imperialists?

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 3 2023 22:36 utc | 433

@ Posted by: Lebanese | Nov 3 2023 21:12 utc | 180
The narrative retorting Nasrallah´s words so that to turn them into meaning they did not enter the fight except for skirmishes in their border is being pushed at analysis pannels by people probably linked to the CIA…
I have just have heard such narrative on the part of a professor of an Opus Dei University, who stated he had also been professor at the UAB, in order to enforece his knowledge of the situation..who immediately was called out by another analyst on his ideological narrative.
The thing is, if Nasrallah would had declared an all out Holy War on Israel, they would had claimed, “look, they are all islamic terrorists”.
Since he stated that the pace of the strategy will not be marked either by the US or the Israelis, but by any faction of the Axis of Resistance, ans that he welcomes individual intitiatives like that of Hamas offensive on Nov.7th, then he has sold out Hamas and the Palestinians…
Fortunatley, there are a lot of Western analysts who will debunk their lies, and anyone interested can do it by itself by hearing or reading Nasrallah´s speech.
Btw, when I visited Lebanon, I really wondered why is that you keep such vivarium of CIA agents and activists in the very heart of your country….Dammit, they have even they own private beach…which really belongs to the Beiruties…along the whole coast….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 3 2023 22:36 utc | 435

As having said above – once more:
The “New Bipolar-World claiming governments” (China, Russia, India, etc.) have not yet any understanding about this GAZA/Israel ‘conflict’. This GAZA/Israel conflict still leaving them by by-passing it (by The Multipolars) on the right or sometimes once on the left side.
That’s no good – never.
So come-up Russia, China, India presenting Your new proposals to resolve this “conflict”!
Have not yet any pressure performed hereto anyway to the USA-States Blinken/Huland/Hillary guided murder regime + its CIA?
So let’s wait what CIA “1st. General” has to say to the press next days ..
Bombing continuos – US-Gov. has no interest to stop bombing GAZA – no ceasefire is planned .. IDF should going on to destroy the GAZA population.
That’s what US Mr. Blinken has aid on press. That’s why Mr. Blinken has no further chance to survife.
Laughing? You should not. He is like a dead person for sure like the IRANIAN Defense Minister in IRAQ was (killed by D.Trump command) !

Posted by: spare_truth | Nov 3 2023 22:36 utc | 437

@27 Jose J. I’d be quite certain that if/when Nassrallah makes the decision to jump in boots ‘n’ all it won’t be announced to the world via a prepared speech to the cameras.
It’ll be announced by a volley of missiles launched against the naval facilities in Haifa, against the military airfields scattered across Israel, and against the IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv.
Then we’ll get the speech where he’ll explain the why’s and wherefores.
My take is that this speech was never intended to be a prelude to an intervention by Hezbollah, but instead was intended as a final warning.
And it’s audience wasn’t the Lebanese public, or the long-suffering civilians of Gaza, and least of all to the Netanyahu government.
Nazrallah was addressing himself directly to the White House, and to me the message was clear: put a muzzle on your rabid dog, or we will step in and do it for you.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 22:36 utc | 439

@sal #208
Okay, point taken, quite sincerely I thank you. My secular brain did not consider that possibility.

Posted by: Billb | Nov 3 2023 22:41 utc | 441

Why are Russia and China advocation global cooperation on climate change??? Aren’t they far away from being swamped by rising sea levels, given their land mass and their industrial abilities to fight consequences of climate change? Well, fighting genocide is more urgent than fighting the melting of glaciers.
Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 3 2023 20:54 utc | 176
They’re advocating cooperation on climate change because they know it’s a hoax and they’re just sitting back laughing amongst themselves while they watch the West engage in its own economic, energy and social self-destruction. they can fight this war on many fronts, some not so obvious or direct.

Posted by: Phil R | Nov 3 2023 22:41 utc | 443

The holocaust was push-back.
Jewish Hitler thought Britain had his back, and that he could therefore get away with fascism, with Britain’s support.
When Britain turned against him, he destroyed the Jews.
Posted by: Giyane | Nov 3 2023 21:51 utc | 198
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Hold on! Wait a minute! Stop everything! Giyana, are you defending Hillter? The Holocaust was just a temper tantrum because the British were a bunch of dicks? Six million Jew were killed, but hey, Britain should have supported fascism like they’re almost King and his American wife did?
There is no justification for the Holocaust, just as there is no justification for Israels treatment of the Palestinian for the last 57 years. I think a clarification is in order I think you said something you didn’t mean to say, at any rate it is false.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 3 2023 22:41 utc | 445

Now, in a recent poll, almost 70% of Americans want a ceasefire in Gaza, 80% of Biden’s voters (democrats) support this, but NONE in the congress or senate support the initiative, ANY single one of them.
All the pretended “outsiders” in the US political scene (RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, etc….) ALL of them, without a single exception, are sionists, 100% supportive of the “treatment” Israel is giving to the Gaza population to “self-defense”, because they fully understand where the money and power come.
The electorate has no power to change the behavior of the politicians in the things that matter to the Financial Empire.
You can see the same in almost all the Western countries.
This system is called “Western Liberal Democracy”

Posted by: Dave | Nov 3 2023 22:42 utc | 447

@107 FieryButMostPeaceful
“By contrast look at Russia and Putin. The moment the first signs of ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians in the Donbass appeared, Putin acted”
followed immediately by
“For 8 long years, after all diplomacy like two Minsks failed, he sent a force.”
Pardon me?
Your definition of a “moment” turns out to be “8 long years”? Yet you criticize the likes of Nasrallah because he hasn’t jumped into a fight that hasn’t even been going a month?
Hmmmmm. Not sure I can agree.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 22:42 utc | 449

“Religion is poison”
-Mao

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | Nov 3 2023 22:45 utc | 451

And they waited breathless for what Nasrallah would say today. And everyone yawned while arabs threw shoes at their screens in a speech that will be forgotten by tomorrow. Nasrallah then retreated to his 5 star luxury accommodations.
Meanwhile Hamas continues to get rocked, gaza continues to get squeezed and the IDF captures the base of the Nuhkba.

Posted by: Janes addiction | Nov 3 2023 22:48 utc | 453

Posted by: Dave | Nov 3 2023 21:25 utc | 186
“All of this is called “Ruled Based International Order” and everybody knows how it works (from 500 years ago)…”
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All colonel nations had their own “Rules-Based Order.” The term means absolutely jack shit doesn’t it.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 3 2023 22:49 utc | 455

@Posted by: Lebanese | Nov 3 2023 21:12 utc | 180
Well, finally end reading your longwinded defeatist essay on the caapbilites of Hezbollah and the Axis of Resistance, to realize it could well yourself the one operative from the UAB, especially when trying to convince us about this outright fake news…
“the axis of resistance is literally being opposed by the whole planet minus Venezuela Cuba the Russians and the Chinese”
I fear this time is the other way around, it is supported by the whole Middle East, Iraq, Iran, Pakistán ( the people I mean, not the puppet government of the military…), Afghanistán, Yemen, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Somalia, South Africa, Turkey, Algeria ( whose parliament voted in full in favor to allow the president entering the war…), even including so US friendly countries like Jordan and Oman, plus increasingly more Hispanamerican countries are recalling their ambassadors from Israel and cutting off diplomatic ties with the Israeli entity….
You may have passed way too much time in the tennis court of the UAB….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 3 2023 22:51 utc | 457

Please don’t forget:
1st: HAMAS is “nothing”, never being proofed as is to be, who is HAMAS founded by CIA?
2nd: Who is Hezbollah ? Perhaps founded by IRAN? No: Hezbollah – also – has once be founded by CIA !
Please think about, whether tru or not .. thanks.
There will be no more fights against the SUPER-STATE ISRAEL whether by the ‘HAMAS” nor the Hezbollah Libanon fighters.
Why? Because they both (HAMAS + Hezbollah) are not anything of an organized army legitimated by any UN-Registered States. They only are partizans.
But partisans – once ago – have already finished the USA perpetration into Cuba – that was 1960’s.
So what think, now happen, after GAZA people being eliminated and defeated from all claimed “Israel State Borders”?
Be happy to hear some stories like a “Pig Beach” defense by Cuba forces ..
Best wishes to “Fidel” in heaven ..

Posted by: spare_truth | Nov 3 2023 22:59 utc | 459

Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 22:36 utc | 219
I am not sure the generally held view that Iranian and Hezbollah missile gives them fist strike capability is correct.
As with most strategic weapons in these days of mutually assured destruction, their main value is that of deterrence. Once the missiles start to fly everyone takes major hits. As Israel has nuclear weapons, the afects will be much longer lasting than the conventional missiles of Iran and Hezbollah.
At the moment, Hezbollah is tying up approx one third of Israels military strength meaning that cannot be used on the Palestinians of Gaza.
Of all the muslim states, Turkey is I guess the one to watch. Cutting oil supplies to Israel… but as yet I have seen nothing on what the transit agreement is. The other thing is where does the oil in the pipeline come from. Some from Baku for sure. Turkic muslim states supplying the oil. I have forgotten the name of it now but there is a Turkic organisation, Turkey and about five or six of the stans, all muslim nations. Might be with digging them up and keeping an eye on meetings to see which way the muslim Turkic world is going

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 22:59 utc | 461

@206 Don Bacon Every word in a UNSC Resolution is painstakingly argued over by both the country that submitted it and its allies and enemies in the Council. When that isn’t the case then the Resolution is just grandstanding, and can – and will – be dismissed as such.
With that in mind, note the wording of UNSC242: “to live in peace within secure and recognized BOUNDARIES free from threats or acts of force”
Note that the word used is not “borders”.
Note also that this line refers to “every State” i.e. Israel must not attack every state around it, and those surrounding Arab states must not attack Israel.
After all, who attacked whom in 1967? Who seized who’s territory in 1967?
“So Israel’s recognized boundaries are the ‘Mandatory Palestine’ borders from the past.”
No, it does not say that at all.
That argument is flatly contradicted by the line that contains “Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict”.
That line of text in UNSC242 does not distinguish, qualify, or exclude ANY territory that was seized by Israel in the Six Day War i.e. if it was seized by the IDF in Jume 1967 then it is “occupied territory”.
QED: The West Bank, the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Desert, and the Golan Heights are *all* territory occupied by the IDF, and therefore *by definition* the Mandatory borders of Palestine can NOT be the definitive measure of where Israeli territory begins and ends.
You are reading way, way too much into the text of UNSC242

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 23:01 utc | 463

Janes addiction | Nov 3 2023 22:48 utc | 226 …..
What were you watching, and what were you on?

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 3 2023 23:01 utc | 465

@Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 3 2023 19:21 utc | 137
Here the links translating point by point Nasrallah´s speech by Lebaneses News and Updates, so that you test that he said nothing of what the CIA operatives and students at UAB state he said….
These translates into English, verbatim what I heard he said Nasrallah..of course, anyone will made its own fantastic interpretation considering personal emotions, motivations ( including pecunary ones…), and wishful thinking so typical of the Empire of Evil and its stooges….
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33849
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33850
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33851
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33853
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33854
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33855
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33856
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33857
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33858
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33859
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33860
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33861
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33862
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33863
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33864
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33865
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33866
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33867
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33868
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33869
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33870
https://t.me/LebUpdate/33871

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 3 2023 23:03 utc | 467

Homepage for Organisation of Turkic States. https://www.turkicstates.org/en
Turkey and Erdogan is the acknowledged leader of this block and it has become obvious over the last few years this block is playing its own game.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 23:03 utc | 469

by spare_truth | Nov 3 2023 22:36 utc | 218\
Bombing continuos – US-Gov. has no interest to stop bombing GAZA – no ceasefire is planned .. IDF should going on to destroy the GAZA population.
Yes, tragic, but we will see how is that ending. This exact path the USA and Israel took is one way ticket to their doom on the West Asian stage, very possibly on wide international stage too – that outcome is a known one. What the outcome is, when they try to pacify each other? That, and most probably will, can also end up in a both regimes downfall. Eaten from the inside, I mean. Nobody can survive this politically. or otherwise. It is a sin against the civilization.
On the World stage nations have to take out USA and Israel out of UN, major economic treaties and organizations, tarred and feathered.
Let us wait for economic sanctions against the USA and Israel from the big ones, also in Arabic world. What I understand is that Hez’bollah calls for the soft war on Israel and the USA, kind of whack-a-mole globally.
Ramboesque approach is the American way, while I think nobody wants to play by Israeli or American rules there. I mean the rest of the humans are smarter than that.
Mullah said.

Posted by: whirlX | Nov 3 2023 23:16 utc | 471

I have read most of the comments in this threat, and I get the distinct impression that every poster who expresses outrage that Nasrallah didn’t use his speech to Cry Havoc And Let Loose The Dogs Of War is a troll.
Their posts have one single aim: to denigrate Nasrallah and to mock Hezbollah.
Fine. Go at it.
But I for one don’t think that the leadership of Hezbollah are concerned in the slightest by what people say about them, and will not determine their best course of action based upon a desire to be liked.
From their PoV they are attempting diplomacy (look it up, it’s actually a thing). They are sending messages that they will restrain themselves for now to see if Washington will likewise act to restrain its rabid dog.
Diplomacy. I know, it’s an old-fashioned concept.
But the flip-side is that once Hezbollah conclude that Washington will not heed the message then all bets are off. It will be time to go the tonk on the IDF. I’m not at all convinced that the IDF has enough forces on that border to win that fight. And if things start going badly for the IDF then I’m not at all convinced that Assad will just sit on the sidelines, not when he has a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to snatch back the Golan Heights.
Maybe I’m wrong, and the IDF will handle Hezbollah with ease. But I remember similar bombast in 2006, and that proved to be erroneous.
Israel has painted itself into a corner, and IF Hezbollah jump in then for the Israelis things will go from bad to worse. Much, much, much worse.
They must be tearing their hair out in the White House. The smart ones – all three of them, maybe – will know how badly this is affecting American power, while the neocons – and they are legion – simply have no touch with reality and are simply raring to escalate this all the way to Tehran and beyond.
Nasrallah holds the whip hand here. He’s weighing it in his hand and thinking about how best to use it. Don’t underestimate him, and don’t think that he will act impulsively. He won’t. He’ll wait, and wait, and wait, and then if he needs to he’ll act.
But he will make that decision.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 23:21 utc | 473

The ‘Abrahamic’ faiths are probably the most disastrous set of erroneous ideas ever cooked up by ‘sentient’ men. (I don’t believe women would have got involved in such rubbish).
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 3 2023 20:19 utc | 169
Once Theism evolved into Monotheism, the One God, who knows every recipe, every passing thought, the solution to every conundrum, knows the answers to question not yet thought, binds his power by selling fear, Mankind found the binding of every transgression into interminable war.
We have not set that much distance from the days of swinging from the vines.

Posted by: kupkee | Nov 3 2023 23:22 utc | 475

Quite the crowded bar…
I think I am finally getting the civilization war that I have been saying we are in for a few years.
It makes me think of The Dawn Of Everything by Graeber/Wengrow and I want to posit a reworked idiom.
Birth of social organization change by a thousand cuts is what humanity is doing. It is exciting to watch such occur.
In response to
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Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 3 2023 19:03 utc | 134
The ‘Abrahamic’ faiths are probably the most disastrous set of erroneous ideas ever cooked up by ‘sentient’ men. (I don’t believe women would have got involved in such rubbish).
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Nov 3 2023 20:19 utc | 169
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Thanks for the context for my next thoughts.
The ‘sentient’ men above are what I refer to as barbaric patriarchy. Barbaric because of the Might-Makes-Right component and patriarchy because the religions are all male dominated.
Women did not get involved in the creation of this “rubbish” because they had been previously deprecated in the social order by the barbaric males.
So this form of social organization is prefaced by domination instead of sharing and synergy between M/F. It also provides the underpinning for no debt jubilees and the private cult control of global finance which we have now.
And it all just happened while we weren’t paying attention…..grin
Lucky for our species, there are other groupings of us that did not develop forms of social organization with that structure. Graeber and Wengrow show in their book that our species has experienced 40K years of various forms of social organization before the current Western way evolved and became dominant for the last 2K years.
Hopefully this civilization war will help our species evolve to live in better harmony on our spaceship Earth.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Nov 3 2023 23:24 utc | 477

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 18:17 utc | 123
This thread appears to be packed with armchair Rambos with vision problems.
The same occurred though to a lesser extent with Russian moves in Syria and also Ukraine, but these Palestine threads are swamped with them.
The main moves will be against Israels very foundations rather than the surface facade. And that foundation is primarily the US. Israel cannot be fully defeated while it is backed by the US, but Israel cannot exist if it is no longer backed by the US. Hezbollah is confident Hamas/Gaza will hold out and most regional players look to be settling in for a long war against the US.

Good comment. Surprise, surprise, it’s pretty much the same as with Ukraine (being backed by US etc.). So both theaters are depleting the West’s wealth and influence whilst hastening their return to being no longer Hegemonic but ‘normal’ nations.
Perhaps a silver lining interpretation of ‘new normal’?
(Unless, of course, as I have long been suspecting, the ‘woke’ corporate West is on the same side as the RoW (for they are certainly all-in on the destructive politico-societal fronts) in some yet to be revealed way, probably involving global adoption of digital money, most likely centrally – and unaccountably – controlled by the usual suspects albeit now in all major world economies not just Wall Street, Zurich and London.)

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 3 2023 23:30 utc | 479

The electorate has no power to change the behavior of the politicians in the things that matter to the Financial Empire.
You can see the same in almost all the Western countries.
This system is called “Western Liberal Democracy”
Posted by: Dave | Nov 3 2023 22:42 utc | 223
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Good point Dave. which goes back to the issue of bourgeois democracy. It is a lie, all form, and no content. For 30 years we have been discussing some form of universal healthcare system in America, do we, have it? NO! Even though the majority of Americans support it in some form or the other.
Today, the issue on the table in the US is how much should Democrats and Republicans cut Social Security and Medicare (they call it reforms). Yet we have billions to spend on wars and the MIC has never had it so good.
By the way, where is the US MSM coverage of the bombing of the Ambulances in Gaza? I saw and heard very little about it all day as I was driving around taking care of business. Only Aljazeera was covering it with any intensity.
As you pointed out Dave: ” This system is called “Western Liberal Democracy” Call it what you want, but don’t call it democracy. When the information is controlled, there can never be democracy.

Posted by: Ed | Nov 3 2023 23:35 utc | 481

@Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 3 2023 22:51 utc | 228
Forgot to add Bahrein, which just cutt of diplomatic relations with Israel, and Honduras who recalled its ambassador to Israel..
I fear that the only ones supporting Israel is his gencide agaist the Palestinians this time are three countries, the US, Ukraine, India, France, UK, Italy, Germany and Ursula von der Leyen personally ( this time not reprpesenting the whole EU, since there have been many of voices denouncing the genocide at the European Parliament….) as reflected in the voting at the UN and in their X accounts and official statements….
Looks like a pathetic minority in fornt of the whole world and people of the wordl, inlcuding in their own countries…
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Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 3 2023 23:37 utc | 483

When I re-read Nasrallah’s speech then continue to see A LOT OF “whishful thinking”. Another word is “grandstanding”.

Posted by: Mr. Market | Nov 3 2023 23:38 utc | 485

Once Theism evolved into Monotheism, the One God, who knows every recipe, every passing thought, the solution to every conundrum, knows the answers to question not yet thought, binds his power by selling fear, Mankind found the binding of every transgression into interminable war.
We have not set that much distance from the days of swinging from the vines.
Posted by: kupkee | Nov 3 2023 23:22 utc | 237
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Problem is: Which of the One Gods is the real One God. A fools game as far as I am concerned. But I do not intend to offend?

Posted by: Ed | Nov 3 2023 23:41 utc | 487

@230 Peter AU1 Sorry, Peter, I can not agree.
If Hezbollah launches missiles at IDF Naval Bases, air fields, and HQs the length and breadth of Israel then that is NOT a situation of “mutually assured destruction”. Not even close.
In fact, it would not be fundamentally different to what the IDF did to Egypt to start the Six Day War.
“Once the missiles start to fly everyone takes major hits.”
There is no doubt about that. To think otherwise is to have a distinctly western view of warfare where it is a matter of “us” dishing it out and “them” having no option but to take it.
But Hezbollah knows that the only thing the IDF has is its air force, and it knows that this air force is not as effective in determining the outcome of a war as the Israelis believe it to be.
They know that, because that was demonstrated in 2006.
“As Israel has nuclear weapons,”….
Whoah, hang on a moment. Are you suggesting that IF Hezbollah launches missiles at IDF naval bases, air fields and military HQs THEN the Israelis will retaliate by nuking Lebanon?
Really?
“At the moment, Hezbollah is tying up approx one third of Israels military strength meaning that cannot be used on the Palestinians of Gaza.”
Which has a flipside: Hezbollah is only facing one third of an IDF. They’d more than fancy their chances against such a depleted force.
IF Nasrallah weighs things up and decides that now is the time to act THEN he will launch his missiles to take out key IDF installations and then he’ll launch a ground assault against that “one third of an IDF”.
Such a fight will topple Netanyahu’s government, will create havoc within Israeli society, and will lead to a mass exodus of dual-passport holders. It will destroy forever the myth of IDF invincibility, and will completely discredit Israel in the eyes of Washington swap creatures.
In short, such an action will doom Israel. Not by military means, but by exposing the geopolitical unsustainability of a Zionist state in the Middle East.
Indeed, it will be as “sustainable” an enterprise as the Crusader kingdoms in the late 13th century which fell with astonishing speed once the myth of their martial superiority was exposed.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Nov 3 2023 23:42 utc | 489

March 15,2023 Fatwa Against Hamas
…against the laws of koran on google search

Posted by: Hutch | Nov 3 2023 23:43 utc | 491

In his last few unhinged mouth frothing articles Jim Kunstler has proved himself to be a rabid zionist supremacist and also without any regard for historical truth. This is just part of the same effort: “Jews just want the best for everybody!”
Also,  this champion of free speech removes all critical comments from his site. Wonder why.
So, of course, the other one who won’t tolerate criticism of his idiot claims, the stinking bag of sewer slime Martyanov, thinks Kunstler’s latest is “excellent”:
http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2023/11/james-kunstlers-excellent.html?m=1

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Nov 3 2023 23:44 utc | 493

South Front gives a pretty good run down on his speech, and gives a sense of the flavor of his language, which is stronger than in Bernhard’s quick translation/notations as far as I can tell.
I believe that Hezbollah and all the other Axis parties/militias etc are working on a strategy of Death by a Thousand Cuts
I think that this strategy will/could be more effective in the short run in Iraq and Syria. The US is particularly vulnerable there. Israel will be a tough nut to crack as they say.
In fact, I expect this protracted war against Israel and the USA occupation forces to go on for some time
Little by little does the trick.
https://southfront.press/hezbollah-leader-threatens-attacks-against-israel-u-s-troops/
…..”Since the outbreak of the war, the U.S. has threatened to bomb us in Lebanon from its military ships in the Mediterranean. We are prepared for whatever scenario,” Nasrallah said. “If an all-out war breaks out, you Americans will pay with your ships, your aircrafts and your soldiers.”
“Your fleet in the Mediterranean does not scare us … We are ready to face the fleet you threaten us with,” Nasrallah says, addressing the US. “Whoever wants to prevent a regional war must quickly stop the aggression on Gaza,” he added.
“I tell the Israelis, if you are considering carrying out a preemptive attack against Lebanon, it will be the most foolish mistake you make in your entire existence,” he said.
“I tell Israel: Do not go any further. Many civilians have already died. I promise you: A civilian for a civilian,” Nasrallah warned………

Posted by: michaelj72 | Nov 3 2023 23:44 utc | 495

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 3 2023 22:59 utc | 230

.. As Israel has nuclear weapons, the afects will be much longer lasting than the conventional missiles of Iran and Hezbollah. ..

That may be true. But this kind of a nuclear war against Israel-Folk or from IDF will never occur.
You’re saying that HAMAS or Hezbollah like partisans have not such ‘nuclear’ weapons to fire on ISR.
But that does not matter because there is no of any of such “wars” really is expected, either by CIA.
Even assumed so,
there would be no HAMAS nor Hezbollah commanders operating those fights.
Those fights would be operated by the IRANIAN TASK FORCES, that have indeed(!) also nuclear tactical rockets up to a range of 2500 km, that should be enough of range to destroy Tel-Aviv, possibly.
But once more – a HAMAS or Hezbollah won’t fight anymore anything on changing the current situatian – they are “only” partizans.
All the several MSM news you’ve heard on Lebanon or Goolan border clashes – are a fake news published in favour of IDF and Nethan-Yahoo’s guys.
Hopefully be sure of that fact.

Posted by: spare_truth | Nov 3 2023 23:45 utc | 497

Posted by: juliania | Nov 3 2023 22:01 utc | 201
Ceasefire, then statehood. Would that as with Russia, those two formalities can be speedily accomplished. My question would be, do they have to proceed in that order? Bombs were still falling when the two Ukrainian oblasts entered the Russian Federation. Might not statehood for Palestine proceed as a priority as well?

First, statehood doesn’t just happen by decree; it will have to be backed with force (like all secular Authority ultimately). Ideally such Palestinian statehood would be agreed upon by the Israelis since if not it will be a hostile development bound to incur further conflict. Even with Israeli agreement the Palestinian State will need help with security given Israel’s belligerent history. In which case Israel’s approval or disapproval are secondary concerns; primary are the creation of the Palestinian State with clear boundaries AND a Guarantor of Security. This could either by the UNSC (unlikely because of the US-Israeli veto), or by a Consortium of Regional Powers who will provide money and military to ensure the State of Palestine can be upheld.
This is clearly a VERY tall order. So there might be a long, drawn-out siege similar to in Ukraine who ultimate goal is the exhaustion of the West – including now also its barking terrier Israel – after which they will no longer be able to dictate or interfere any more. I imagine that many in the Middle East are praying to Allah to send the infidel Jews back to New York!!

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 3 2023 23:54 utc | 499