Posted by: Don Bacon | Nov 16 2023 2:36 utc | 251
I must say the Malayalee friends I’ve had from Kerala have been the most pleasant Indians I’ve met. Along with those of Goa.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 2:44 utc | 503

@ aleph 213
These leaflets show the sadistic nature of the Israeli warriors – now they torment the wretched, dispossessed, wounded people with another threat, really inhuman. And we are to believe their lies, in your face lies, that they are the most moral military; this leaflet action somehow brings to memory the Hitlerites telling people to go into rooms to get disinfected. Those Gazans are told now to go into some other location, for what purpose?

Posted by: fanto | Nov 16 2023 2:51 utc | 505

Posted by: bubbles | Nov 15 2023 20:58 utc | 181
Pierre Poutine is a harperite. Part of the blue team that brought Canadians the bail in regime C-15

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Nov 16 2023 3:04 utc | 507

Its just amazing how easily the IDF manipulates the really uninformed MSM……the case of the Al Shifa Hospital is just prime…..
We were told that under Al Shifa Hospital existed a massive Hamas HQ filled with ammo, commo, and c and c sections……..
In reality what the IDF really wanted to do was to bomb the hospital, blow it to bits and then blame Hamas….in other words use the Orwellian logic to justify a horrendous war crime by leveling the hospital and killed thousands of patients and refugees gathered there….
But guess what………in evil plan failed……Biden blanched….told the IDF that bombing the hospital was a no go, and IDF was forced to search the hospital instead of their real desire to flatten it…..
The end result…….wellllll guess what…..no ammo dump, no c and c, no HQ………..a total IDF propaganda farce uncovered………but not to be discouraged the IDF will try another lie a day………….more to come…..

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Nov 16 2023 3:05 utc | 509

Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh 219
Erdogan’s concept of terrorism is anybody who stops him pilfering his neighbour’s oil. Erdogan has been shipping oil for USUKIS out of Kurdistan , Northern Iraq since Obama’s Islamic State suppressed local resistance.
Baghdad has tried to stop this theft which leaves the local administration of civil services without funds to pay wages , schools, hospitals etc.
This is how the UK parliament is slush-funded by Israel to vote against a ceasefire. We’re not talking about a gravy train here, more like the total dispossession of India, China , Africa put together.
Erdogan is the linchpin of this Nato Imperialism. So htf can Erdogan be expected to act against his Imperial interests?
Like Israel he is a victim – blamer. The victim is the Kurdish people, more than a million barrels per day being stolen. Erdogan ‘ s response,is to accuse Kurds of Terrorism and block flights over Turkey to Sulaimaniyah
Erdogan is a war criminal like Cameron. When Cameron was ousted, Erdogan took up the Nato mantle of headchopping Islamist terror.
There was only a few short years after WW2 that the British felt bad about the catastrophe of competing empires. It immediately started the USUKIS joint Empire 2 project, incorporating its rivals, the Dutch, French, Belgian, and German empires under the umbrella of the EU.
What we now have is a united flank of Terror against RoW, as we see now in the totally united front of support for Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians.
OK, Erdogan is probably no worse than all the other Nato vampires. But our eyes are now opened that the Empire 2 of Nato will NEVER comply with International Law.
It actually makes me feel sick that most people on MoA still conceive of Nato as not an Empire, and believe their fables and projections that Russia or China ARE empires.
Empire will do Wtf it likes including the genocide of all Muslims who resist its power. Like all empires in the past , this Empire attracts millions of Muslims like Count Dracula of Istanbul into fighting for Empire, otherwise known as Islamism.
Islamism is the justification for fighting illegal wars by twisting Scripture. Zionism’s twin brother.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 16 2023 3:05 utc | 511

Just watched the IDF presentation of ‘evidence’ of HAMAS operations in the Al Shifa MRI room.
I admit I felt some nervousness at first:
“What if all I’d been led to believe is wrong? What if the IDF was right?”
My initial sense of discomfort at the potential inconvenience of having to change my world view soon turned to amusement has the entire production folded out like a skit from The Onion.
Confirmed and Reinforced one Again:
The Zionists Are Always Lying

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 3:08 utc | 513

256
Sorry being from a feminist family prevents me from giving -isms a female gender. Islamisme isn’t a philosophical concept. It’s a total reversal of the concept of jihad, fighting for Justice.
The proper word for twisting scripture to fight for tyranny of Empire is Nifaq / hypocrisy.
Pretending to do one thing while actually doing another.
Erdogan is a hypocrite in the full Shari’ah meaning of that word.

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 16 2023 3:20 utc | 515

As per the most logical reconstruction of the biblical history (lets call it “Salibi-Leeman”):
1. “Hebrews” refers only to “those who crossed” (because they crossed the Red Sea).
2. The Jews were never a “race”.
3. There was a double kingdom (Israel and Judah) in the current Arabian peninsula. Israel (in the north) was destroyed by the Assyrian Empire, and Judah (in the South) was destroyed by the Babylonian Empire.
4. There was also a Jewish Empire in Abissinia, ruled first by Makeda (the “Queen of Saba”) and then by his son Menelik I. The capital was Axum. This kingdom converted centuries later to (oriental) Christianism.
5. Probably there never was an Israel in Palestine: only a city: the (new) Jerusalem, constructed by the ancient Hebrews in some lands given to them by the Persians. The (new) Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans.
This Salibi-Leeman reconstruction is the one that comes closest to the historical truth.
So:
6. If the Sionists (Ashkenaz Jews) never lived in the original double kingdom of Israel and Judah nor in the (new) Jerusalem in Palestine,
it would mean that they have an unsolvable problem of legitimacy, and that this is the deep (unconscious) root of their madness.

Posted by: deepEye | Nov 16 2023 3:42 utc | 517

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 16 2023 2:23 utc | 247
Bon and Arch also
Agree. I spent three months traveling through India 20 years or so ago and it was only in Kerala that i felt the modern world existed and where i felt hope for progress. It was multicultual genuinely, 98% literacy, actually clean, they fence in the cows so you are not accosted up while walking and you do not need to share the railway ticket queue with a goat. The houses were well cared for and the place felt prosperous. it was also very beautiful and Cochin harbour spectacular.

Posted by: watcher | Nov 16 2023 3:46 utc | 519

bevin 249 100 % agree.
Lydia’s 243 100 % agree
melaleuka 244 not only 100 % agree , but also now understand that the Jewish State’s shocking illegal behaviour is designed to camouflage the colonial , criminal intent.
The theft of the Golan , which I have visited, was for oil, not defence.
World wide Jews are going to have to come off the fence. Do they want a Holy Land in which all worshippers of God are equal?
Or do they want to be part of a thieving empire which previously persecuted Jews for their faith.
There’s no such thing as Zionism.
The choice is between the corruption of Empire or the piety of faith.
Either / or. End of .

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 16 2023 3:50 utc | 521

karlof1 | Nov 16 2023 0:36 utc | 234
Thanks. will look forward to what Lavrov says and also your take on it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 16 2023 4:08 utc | 523

As per the most logical reconstruction of the biblical history (lets call it “Salibi-Leeman”):
…
Posted by: deepEye | Nov 16 2023 3:42 utc | 259
Conveniently ‘reconstructed’ by Jews …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 4:12 utc | 525

AG | Nov 15 2023 22:15 utc | 202 …
These (as quoted) are traitors so depraved and deranged in their cultist obsession that for the safety of society, evrywhere, they really ought to be permanently locked up or terminated.

Posted by: Cynic | Nov 16 2023 4:33 utc | 527

…it would mean that they have an unsolvable problem of legitimacy, and that this is the deep (unconscious) root of their madness.
Posted by: deepEye | Nov 16 2023 3:42 utc | 259
Indeed, good simple review that post above.
And they are utterly mad. Totally disconnected from the real world.
The historical facts, the legalities, and the injustices from 1922 onward are alternatively as clear as day.
Just don’t ask a madman to explain it to you. Or be so foolish as to listen to a word they say.
The Israeli Zionist Jews and Hasbara Bots are always lying. Always.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 16 2023 4:34 utc | 529

Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 3:08 utc | 257

Just watched the IDF presentation of ‘evidence’ of HAMAS operations in the Al Shifa MRI room.
I admit I felt some nervousness at first:
“What if all I’d been led to believe is wrong? What if the IDF was right?”
My initial sense of discomfort at the potential inconvenience of having to change my world view soon turned to amusement has the entire production folded out like a skit from The Onion.
Confirmed and Reinforced one Again:
The Zionists Are Always Lying

I’d mentioned it in a previous thread- I’m surprised that we didn’t find a Nutter-yahoo crayon drawing of a bomb (as definitive proof).

Posted by: Seer | Nov 16 2023 4:42 utc | 531

Behind the scenes details on the Prisioner exchange negotiations and why they are failing
https://english.almanar.com.lb/1977725

Posted by: Exile | Nov 16 2023 4:47 utc | 533

Interesting map comparing location and density of pro-Palestine and pro-Israel demonstrations around the world (till Oct. 27):
https://t.me/QudsNen/86778

Posted by: Browser | Nov 16 2023 4:51 utc | 535

A TRC in Palestine would be a travesty.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 0:40 utc | 235
So true that. Ropes and firing squads are far more appropriate there.
And war crimes tribunals too, I suppose.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 16 2023 4:57 utc | 537

This gave me a giggle. This king greenblat and his fear of tiktok generation. Well it’s just exploded on x to go read Osama bin laden open letter to the usa.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/osama-bin-laden-letter-to-america-goes-viral-21-years-later-tiktok-1234879711/
The guardian panicked and pulled the document.
Personally I’m the neocons and various Intel agencies pulled 9/11. Not bin laden who was a business partner of bush in the Carlyle group . But anyway it’s stirred a hornets nest with tik tok kids prophesying being radicalised now. A nsa nightmare as they have to crank up the spy servers to full throttle to process the new budding domestic terrorist threats . Lol

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 16 2023 5:02 utc | 539

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 16 2023 5:02 utc | 270
Osama did denied any role in 9/11. Subsequently he was silenced and false statements purporting to from him “admitted” to 9/11.
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/index.html?iref=storys

Posted by: Surferket | Nov 16 2023 5:14 utc | 541

Posted by: Browser | Nov 16 2023 4:51 utc | 268 contd.
Protest map comparing pro- and anti- Palestine
Protest map with regional details
-Saudi Arabia appears to have banned demonstrations
-Surprising pro-Palestine sentiment in Japan
-Yemen has the 2nd most # demonstrations in the world

Posted by: Browser | Nov 16 2023 5:30 utc | 543

For the Australians here. Did you catch the meet the press luncheon where international law was spelled out about Israel. I’m sure some people sacked on lemons that day
https://t.me/IntelRepublic/30635

Posted by: Hankster | Nov 16 2023 5:50 utc | 545

Did someone mention 1922 ?
Long Canadian Newspaper article from 1922 describing the situation in the Levant – illuminating
https://www.unz.com/article/destination-1922-a-return-to-claims-of-the-arabs-in-palestine/

Posted by: Exile | Nov 16 2023 6:19 utc | 547

Antisemitism, you say? That accusation has been used to enable genocide, what crime are you enabling today?”
Posted by: librul | Nov 15 2023 14:15 utc | 47

It is indeed a weaponized manipulative term which says more about the person using it than to whom it is applied. I like these two quotes from the antisemitic press, oft cited, origin unknown.
‘An antisemite is anyone a Jew doesn’t like.’
‘If you are not an antisemite you are not paying attention!’

Posted by: Scorpion | Nov 16 2023 7:46 utc | 549

This is a mask off moment for the imperialist West. All of the sociopathic narcissism that underpins the dystopian global order the US Empire capitalist neoliberal system has created is on display for everyone to see. They have made a mockery of international humanitarian law and killed any pretense of the freedom and democracy they claim to represent. Meanwhile they turn inward to repress their own populations from protesting against Israel’s shocking aggression on Gaza.
To discuss this and more, Rania Khalek was joined by Matteo Capasso, the Marie Curie Research Fellow at Columbia university and university of Venice Italy, Author of “Everyday politics in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya” and editor of Middle East Critique. His work focuses on the nature and impact of US-led imperialism.
Renewed Fascism: In Gaza Western Elites Live Out Genocidal Fantasy Against Global South
with Rania on BreakThrough News 426K subscribers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZDGvT04sNA 55 mins

So I see and I have to say this I see many activists going back to international law. I am sorry
international law is being vaporized under the rubble of Gaza completely. What we are now seeing is that in the face of this renewed fascism Law itself is put at use to defend any fascist fantasy of the West including the genocide.
This is a remarkable moment because the collapse of humanity, trust in international law is directly related to the collapse of the US international order. What imperialism is telling us today, to the world today, is that only those who can kill deserve to live. And I repeat only those who can kill deserve to live.
This is why it is absolutely imperative to have a discussion on the role of violence and counter violence. If this is the message that Western (American) values are propagating how are people supposed to react? I mean this is not just hypocrisy this is beyond that.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 16 2023 8:01 utc | 551

Curious that Turkey still has not done anything to at least show intent to defend these muslims from annihilation. Erdogan has the power to have military presence around Gaza within days. If he mobilizes the Turkish army, the other states will follow, including Iran.

Posted by: Áobh O’Sheachnasaigh | Nov 15 2023 23:38 utc | 219
hmmm, what should one say to this? let me finish laughing first …
Erdogan doesnt need to send military anywhere, he could just agree to demands that Turkey should stop the delivery of oil in Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan pipeline to the Zionist Apartheid regime and the next day Zionists would be cut off 40% of their energy supply.
About the possibility that Iran would follow if the powerful Turkish army start to move, I have to disappoint you. Iranian government is currently challenged to stop Iranian students from occupying the Turkish embassy in Tehran.
Here a short report of one of the protest actions outside Turkish embassy:
https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1722621944787603898

Posted by: Framarz | Nov 16 2023 8:46 utc | 553

Did someone mention 1922 ?
Posted by: Exile | Nov 16 2023 6:19 utc | 274
Thx good article …. I have mentioned 1922 many times.
“The final draft of the Mandate was drawn up in 1922. That same year, the first full British census was conducted in Palestine, revealing the Jewish population to be 11.4% of the total. Of these, at least 32.2% had immigrated since the British took power in 1918. ….. With the approval of the League of Nations in September 1922, Britain thus formalized the territorial boundaries of Transjordan and Palestine, limiting its approval for the establishment of a Jewish national home to Palestine. ” http://www.passia.org/maps/view/6)
also https://www.wise2wisdom.org/british-mandate-of-palestine/
Between 1920 and 1945, the British presided over the immigration of 393,887 Jews, who made up fully two-thirds of the total Jewish population by the end of 1945. Since the Mandate census of 1922, the Jewish population had increased by 700% and in 1946 made up nearly 32% of the total.
The original Jewish population of Palestine Mandate territory was only 3 % in 1890 to the early 1900s. First 1918 and the 1922 changed everything.
THE BEGINNING OF THE BRITISH MANDATE, 1920
Look at the Map
http://www.passia.org/maps/view/5
Quote
Zionist immigration following the establishment of the military administration had not increased markedly, but with the creation of the Mandate, whose first High Commissioner, Sir Herbert Samuel, was a Jew and a great supporter of the Zionist platform, Zionist diplomatic efforts were immediately rewarded. One of Samuel’s first acts was the approval of 16,500 Jewish immigration certificates; the local Zionist leadership reported to WZO head Chaim Weizmann, that the Mandate was being, “enthusiastically welcomed” by the community. In 1920, Jewish immigration in fact rose by an unprecedented 450%, leading many Zionists to believe the British Mandate was to be simply an instrument for the fulfillment of the Balfour Declaration. Despite these important steps in empowering the Zionist movement, few European Jews were attracted to the program and even when the Zionist immigration reached these peaks, the vast majority of emigrating Jews made their way to the US. Of every 1,000 Jews in the world, only four made their way to Palestine during these immigration waves, impressing upon the WZO the imperative of expanding their political program abroad.
POPULATION OF PALESTINE BY SUB-DISTRICT, 1946
http://www.passia.org/maps/view/12
quote
Between 1920 and 1945, the British presided over the immigration of 393,887 Jews, who made up fully two-thirds of the total Jewish population by the end of 1945. Since the Mandate census of 1922, the Jewish population had increased by 700% and in 1946 made up nearly 32% of the total.
The total population of Palestine in 1946 was put at 1,845,560. Of this number, 58% were Muslim Palestinians and 8% were Christian Palestinians ( or 66% – the rest were ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and JEWISH TERRORISTS.)
Muslims made up 79% of the rural population – that sector representing 52% of the total population – while Jews made up 50% of the urban population.
The original crime against the Palestinian people occurred during British rule beginning from 1918 but especially post-1922 when the revised British Mandate for Palestine was approved by the League of Nations up until 1948.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 16 2023 8:52 utc | 555

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Nov 15 2023 19:48 utc | 169

“All generalizations are false, including this statement.”

Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 16 2023 8:52 utc | 557

Posted by: Giyane | Nov 16 2023 3:05 utc | 256
But once again you don’t understand money Giyane. So whatever your solution will be to fix the problems highlighted in your rant. It Will be wrong. If you start from a very clear mis understanding how can you fix things ?
See the problem ? Surely by now you understand if you don’t understand money from the get go then you will make a mess of it ?
You will ultimately just play yourself into the hands of the very same people that you are ranting against. Confine yourself to their narratives and framing EXACTLY like the Duran boys do. You see this yes ? You actually understand how you will be trapped ?
To put it another way Giyane. If you quite rightly don’t believe a word these people say that you are ranting against. Why do you do easily believe their money story? Why do you fall hook line and sinker for how they describe how money works? Yet, question everything else ?
Surely by now you must understand their money story changed as soon as the Berlin wall was put on wheels ?
Branko Milanovic has a new book It’s called “Visions of Inequality”
https://radfordfreepress.com/?p=3475
In his very long seventh chapter, where he lays bare the lean years for the study of distribution, he goes on offense. He prefers to call the economics developed during those mid to late twentieth century decades “Cold War” economics because it was ideologically tainted by the preferences of the American ruling class.
It also suffered a catastrophic breakdown of method. The two go hand in hand. In order to eliminate power — and thus by definition things such as class — economics reduced its boundaries and focused only on matters that did not disturb its patrons.Power matters. The study of inequality allows us to reconnect economics with reality.
Or why didn’t you pick up this book
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/2020/06/22/book-review-the-deficit-myth-modern-monetary-theory-and-the-birth-of-the-peoples-economy-by-stephanie-kelton/
I’m starting to think this is becoming a real problem. The ideologue and the idiot would rather spend 6 hours a day on social media rather than read a book and reflect on what they read ? There are dozens of books out there On library shelves that highlight clearly their money story is a myth. So why do so many people just like yourself fall for it ?
My guess is and it is only a guess. Is their minds have been captured by their marked favourites social media sites. Who have led them down the garden path because they massage their confirmation bias. Oh, they are right about immigration so they must be right about monry. Oh they think how I think about government so they must be right about money. Oh they are right about the free market so they must be right about money. That kind of entrapment.
It is ALL ideologically driven so the ideologue and idiot feel right at home.
Yet, a child could work out their money story is false just by simply thinking it through for itself. By reading a bank note, that is all it takes, for the myths to come crashing down around them.
So your rant might of hit the nail on the head. But it is just wasted time and effort and use of the English language if you don’t understand money.

Posted by: Echo Chamber | Nov 16 2023 9:15 utc | 559

Trita Parsi
@tparsi
“Blinken in Feb’23: “We can never let the crimes Russia’s committing become our new normal… bombing schools & hospitals & apartment buildings to rubble is not normal.”
But when Israel does it, it is.
Rarely have we witnessed a US government so systematically and so ferociously destroy America’s global credibility.”
https://twitter.com/tparsi/status/1724818465129717918
Posted by: Menz | Nov 15 2023 21:05 utc | 184

There has been zero credibility to destroy, for several decades at the very least.

Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 16 2023 9:23 utc | 561

As a South African, I must point out that our apartheid crimes were not really less significant than Israel’s. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission was hijacked by white big business who used it to smear the ANC (back when the ANC needed smearing — nowadays their puppet leaders do it for themselves) and protect themselves from the consequences of their wholehearted support for terrorism, mass murder and the torture of millions.
Rhetorically, people like Chomsky liked to compare the apartheid regime favourably with Israel because the apartheid regime permitted “independent” homelands and the Israelis didn’t. In reality, you look at those homelands (I live and work in one) and you can see the misery, poverty and utter lack of basic services (about which little has been done for a decade and a half) and it makes Gaza look positively like Beverley Hills.
Meanwhile, apartheid’s biggest crimes were committed outside the country, just as Israel commits its biggest crimes outside pre-1967 Israel. You look at how many people were slaughtered in Mozambique and Angola, by the mercenaries whom we South Africans were paying (and periodically directly helping) and it’s in the millions. But the West told everybody to look the other way, and most people did, and when the West lost all its wars there everything went down the memory hole.
Apartheid in Namibia killed about ten thousand people, in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng about twenty thousand people — but again, that’s all forgotten about, not least in South Africa, where the leader of the bloodiest apartheid death squad, Gatsha Buthelezi, actually got a state funeral instead of being fed alive to hungry pigs as he deserved.
None of this is to dismiss the horrible massacre the Israelis are committing now. But let’s not forget that the NATO countries can swallow anything, and their media can lie about anything, so long as it benefits the organised crime syndicates which run those countries as they run South Africa.

Posted by: MFB | Nov 16 2023 9:43 utc | 563

Excellent thoughtful rational and reasonable comments on Gaza conflict
Saudi Prince Turki Al-Faisal Condemns Israel AND Hamas!
3 weeks ago
via Jimmy Dore
Saudi Prince Turki Al-Faisal, who has previously served as both an intelligence minister and an ambassador to the United States for the kingdom, recently spoke out about the current conflict in Gaza. He acknowledged that Israel was engaging in ethnic cleansing, but blamed both Israel and Hamas for targeting civilians and committing acts of terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J57ylRTL9Y
Via The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder
Saudi Prince Turki Al-Faisal spoke at the Baker Institute in Houston Texas and condemned Hamas for sabotaging Saudi Arabia’s attempts to reach a peaceful resolution to the Israel/Gaza conflict, and also condemned Israel for funneling Qatari money to Hamas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKZKiu6St7s

Quote: ALL militarily occupied people have
a right to resist their occupation even militarily
I do not support the military option in Palestine
I prefer the other option civil Insurrection and
Disobedience it brought down the British Empire in
India and the Soviet Empire in Eastern Europe
Israel has overwhelming military superiority and we
see in front of our eyes the devastation and Oblivion
it is bringing to the people of Gaza
I categorically condemn hamas’s targeting of Civilian
targets of any age or gender as it is accused of such
targeting belies Hamas’s claims to an Islamic
identity there is an Islamic injunction against the
killing of innocent children women and Elders the
injunction is also against the desecration of places of
worship
I also condemn Hamas’s gifting the higher moral ground
to an Israel Government that is universally shunned
even by half of the Israeli public as fascist miscreant
and abhorrent.
I condemn Hamas for giving this awful government the
excuse to ethnically cleanse Gaza of its citizens and
bombing them to Oblivion.
I condemn Hamas to further undermining the Palestinian
Authority as Israel has been doing I condemn Hamas for
sabotaging the attempt of Saudi Arabia to reach a
peaceful resolution to the plight of the Palestinian
people but equally I condemn Israel’s indiscriminate
bombing of Palestinian innocent civilians in Gaza and
the attempt to forcibly drive them into SINAI
I condemn Israeli targeted killing and the indiscriminate
arrest of Palestinian children women and men in the West
Bank – two wrongs don’t make a right
I’ve been been hearing a repeated phrase in American
Media “unprovoked attack”. What more provocation is
required to make it provoked than what Israel has
done to the Palestinian people for three quarters of a
century? I refer you to the article in the Middle East
Monitor of February 17th 2014 under the title:
Israeli Army veterans admit role in Massacre of
Palestinians in 1948 – Read It and Weep as I did.
JUST this year from May to July over 450 Palestinians
were killed including 67 children this Blood letting
must stop.
I condemn Israel’s stealing of Palestinian lands
I condemn Israeli colonists for rampaging through
houses of worship in the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem
I condemn Israel for destroying Palestinian homes
and Olive orchids
I condemn Israel for incarcerating Palestinian
women children and men in concentration camps
without recourse to due process
I condemn Israel’s targeted killings and
assassinations of Palestinians
I condemn Israel for funneling Qatari money to
Hamas the terrorist group as defined by Israel
I condemn Western politicians for shedding tears
when Israelis are by Palestinians but refuse to even
express sorrow when Israelis kill Palestinians
There are no heroes in these conflicts only victims.

Posted by: Lavrov’s Dog | Nov 16 2023 9:52 utc | 565

…
War in West Asia: Another Point-of View
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Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2023 21:12 utc | 189

I appreciate your input to MoA, greatly. I just finished reading your entire substack article (linked above).
I’m tracking all of yours, Hudson’s, & Escobar’s reasoning — almost all of it is readily digestible. I have one question, though, concerning the assertion that Netanyahu is the Israeli “Zelensky” (puppet of USA):
If so, then who was behind the attempted “color revolutions” against N in the MONTHS preceding 10/7 ?
With even her Hillary-ness calling for Netanyahu’s ouster, I find it hard to accept that N is the US’s cut-out.

Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 16 2023 9:55 utc | 567

Why Hamas has money left over for tunnels, rockets and anti tank weapons: the UNRWA paid for 9446 teachers and and 964 healthcare staff in Gaza in 2022:
https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/content/resources/unrwa_in_numbers_eng_1.pdf
Must be the most pampered “refugees” on this planet. Westerners finance Hamas-run-Gaza out of ignorance of course, but the ME oil rulers know better: keep those brainwashed spoiled Hamas brats far away, never let them in as asylum seekers.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 16 2023 9:59 utc | 569

It is no wonder that Palestinians are betrayed by Arab elites. But it is also Arab street that has no solidarity with Palestinians. Young Arabs now dream only of becoming consumers. They dream about coming to Europe where they would f.ck native women as they se themselves as alpha males. It is a kind of Hollywood dream. And, as Hollywood has won, we are all defeated.

Posted by: zorge | Nov 16 2023 10:05 utc | 571

Has such an accursed patch of real estate ever been so mis-named as “the holy land”?
It makes Greenland look like a verdant tropical rainforest by comparison.

Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 16 2023 10:09 utc | 573

MFB @ 282
Thanks for your comment and pespective.
Your view from A Africa is very valulble and relivant.
Hope to here from you regulaly.
Cheers

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 16 2023 10:15 utc | 575

If so, then who was behind the attempted “color revolutions” against N in the MONTHS preceding 10/7 ?
With even her Hillary-ness calling for Netanyahu’s ouster, I find it hard to accept that N is the US’s cut-out.
Posted by: retroflecks | Nov 16 2023 9:55 utc | 284
Biden is part of Obama clique, they have not gotten along with Bibi since Obama’s administration. Bibi goes through the Congress and is not obedient. (US politics is very disfunctional and corrupt.)
So yeah, Bibi is not exactly a US cutout.
(Israeli politics is not very well organized either.)
The USA could however, if it had itself together, certainly pull the plug on Israel, which has always been dependent on lots of western support: money, people, weapons, oil, political support, etc. Same as with Ukraine that way.
“Monkey with a grenade”

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 10:26 utc | 577

retroflecks | Nov 16 2023 9:55 utc | 284
Very good question. I had this discussion with karlof1 before, and we agreed to disagree (I guess).
With his track record of horrible war crimes, it is easy to blame anything & everything on Netanyahu.
But any intelligent person can see that Israel is headed towards its doom – and like him or not, Bibi surely isn’t dumb. What if this war is actually another (Neocon/Mossad) attempt to oust him?
Israel’s future lies with BRICS, and détente between Tel Aviv and Riyadh is the way to get there.
In September at UNGA, it was stated that talks were ‘nearing success’. Which would make Israel independent of US protection, thus all but eliminate US regional influence. Anathema for Neocons, obviously, hence the successful Hamas “surprise attack”.
(And no, US facilitation of Isr-Saudi talks doesn’t contradict this – what better way to influence the direction of talks? Also, Biden & Co. aren’t on the same page as Senate/ CIA Neocons.)
That’s my ‘working hypothesis’ at least – can’t prove it yet, but worth considering imho.

Posted by: smuks | Nov 16 2023 10:28 utc | 579

Whew, that was indeed one for the history books (Xi – Biden).
Seems Xi made quite clear what price the US has to pay, in exchange for China stabilizing US debt:
– no more vetoing UNSC resolutions – check
– no intervention in Israel-Gaza conflict – wait for news of US carrier groups
– no money for either Ukraine or Israel – check
With these agreed, Congress has passed the budget deal swiftly & quietly.
But only for a couple of months.
Beijing is systematically squeezing the US out of (Eur)Asia. Call it the ‘Wang Yi Doctrine’.
All that is needed is the end of WW3 is the Yalta for the C21st – which is what I hope is happening in San Francisco.
DunGroanin | Nov 16 2023 0:28 utc | 232
Yup.

Posted by: smuks | Nov 16 2023 10:49 utc | 581

India’s trade unions are boycotting the provision of Indian workers to replace Palestinians for isreal.
Here we see that just because you’re poor, in need of a job to feed your family does not mean you need to take part in settler colonialism and the dispossession of others.
Foreign workers in isreal shouldn’t be able to use the excuse of ignorance if they are caught in the resistance crossfire.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 10:55 utc | 583

Interesting map comparing location and density of pro-Palestine and pro-Israel demonstrations around the world (till Oct. 27):
Posted by: Browser | Nov 16 2023 4:51 utc | 268
But if you view in logarithmic density it proves that public opinion is almost evenly divided!
See, I’m an academic. /s

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 16 2023 10:56 utc | 585

Young Arabs now dream only of becoming consumers. They dream about coming to Europe where they would f.ck native women as they se themselves as alpha males. It is a kind of Hollywood dream. And, as Hollywood has won, we are all defeated.
Posted by: zorge | Nov 16 2023 10:05 utc | 286
What a simple, bigoted, over generalized post.
Actually, your moronic generalization is a typical Hollywood trope yet you are too inerudite to understand the irony.
Zorge, you are a pathetic Sheeple.

Posted by: canuck | Nov 16 2023 10:59 utc | 587

@ bevin 249
I really think they lack the detailed knowledge.
What I find very revealing:
Not a single human rights lawyer I have heard of sides with Israel.
And the more intimate knowledge the people have on Gaza and the big picture of suppression and its history the more outraged they are about the Israeli conduct, massacres and pathologicla hypocrisy.
So, yes, the scholars should have kept quite, simply because they are not experts on this field.

Posted by: AG | Nov 16 2023 11:28 utc | 589

canuck @294
That zorge is just a hasbarist; it’s standard stuff.

It is no wonder that Palestinians are betrayed by Arab elites. But it is also Arab street that has no solidarity with Palestinians.
Posted by: zorge | Nov 16 2023 10:05 utc | 286

That’s been a standard hasbara line for years, and completely untrue. The distribution map of pro-Palestinian marches since 10/7 concentrates on the Middle East (whereas the pro-genocide marches are all in Europe and the US). It would be more correct, but still not right, to say that it is only Arabs who care about the Palestinians.

Posted by: laguerre | Nov 16 2023 11:48 utc | 591

Apartheid in Namibia killed about ten thousand people, in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng about twenty thousand people — but again, that’s all forgotten about, not least in South Africa, where the leader of the bloodiest apartheid death squad, Gatsha Buthelezi, actually got a state funeral instead of being fed alive to hungry pigs as he deserved.
None of this is to dismiss the horrible massacre the Israelis are committing now. But let’s not forget that the NATO countries can swallow anything, and their media can lie about anything, so long as it benefits the organised crime syndicates which run those countries as they run South Africa.
Posted by: MFB | Nov 16 2023 9:43 utc | 282
I appreciate hearing your point of view too. It largely coincides with what I remember from back then. That is: none of this going on now is particularly new. Colonialism has always had genocidal propensities, anywhere you find it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 11:50 utc | 593

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 15 2023 11:20 utc | 14
Absolutely 100 % correct.British gas own almost all of the marine 1 and 2 gasfields off the coast of gaza .1 trillion cubic.
People are just to ignorant to realize this.Thousands of comments on sites and it is all misdirected bullshit.
People marching in protests like sheep in London
Amusing,maybe even sad

Posted by: spark | Nov 16 2023 11:55 utc | 595

Apartheid in Namibia killed about ten thousand people, in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng about twenty thousand people — but again, that’s all forgotten about, not least in South Africa, where the leader of the bloodiest apartheid death squad, Gatsha Buthelezi, actually got a state funeral instead of being fed alive to hungry pigs as he deserved.
Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 11:50 utc | 297
I don’t remember this as a problem of Apartheid.
I do remember this as Zulu inter-clan wars.
Yes, there was also political faction-fighting.
Yes, the Apartheid state didn’t help the situation.
But these factional wars were very active prior to Apartheid.
Even after apartheid Zulu Clans and Factions were busily killing each other for a while.
The Zulu are a fractious bunch – Not much to do with Apartheid.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 12:03 utc | 597

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 16 2023 12:03 utc | 299
I am no expert on that. Tribal war has always been popular in Africa too, plus lots of outsiders meddling away. What I remember back in the day through the fog of bullpucky was Namibia being kind of a backwater. The most interesting thing was the remaining hunter-gatherers. Anyway, I would be happy to hear what anybody has to say on the subject. No opinions worth defending. Most of my reading has been various non-natives. So I try not to be too attached to any of it.

Posted by: Bemildred | Nov 16 2023 12:20 utc | 599