Augusto Pi | Nov 15 2023 15:44 utc | 79
My previous comment Posted by: ctiger | Nov 15 2023 16:27 utc | 101 was directed at Augusto

Posted by: ctiger | Nov 15 2023 16:34 utc | 203

this broken world
The runes are cast
the fates are sealed
I see the stone
in Potter’s Field
that marks the place
where we shall sleep
forevermore in death
we keep our vigilance
we guard no more
that which we held dear before
was but a dream
and now it’s dead
murdered by our heavy tread
We had our run and now it’s done
The race has died
The devil won

Posted by: ld | Nov 15 2023 16:35 utc | 205

@hedlykarok | Nov 15 2023 15:32 utc | 75

I have always been puzzled by ‘antisemitism’. Since jews and Palestinians (as well as Arabs) are all semites, that would make all jewish zionists self-hating antisemites.

It is simple logic. Steal not only the land, but also the identity of the people living there.

Posted by: Norwegian | Nov 15 2023 16:37 utc | 207

I just don’t get the Israel-love on this site.
I enjoyed the Ukraine war posting, however.
Posted by: Phil | Nov 15 2023 16:07 utc | 87
I am with you-
I Liked the Ukraine postings mostly but not Gaza

Posted by: william paul | Nov 15 2023 16:38 utc | 209

Observers of the indiscriminate killing of Palestinians by Israelis can be 100% sure there is no Hamas command bunker under the Al Shifa Hospital because US intelligence agencies, the White House, and every American national network ‘news’ program simultaneously verified the videos provided by the mass murdering Israelis were true.

Posted by: Wilikins | Nov 15 2023 16:38 utc | 211

Posted by: Phil | Nov 15 2023 16:08 utc | 88
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Perhaps you will find it profitable to understand why the two topics appeal strongly to the same audience.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Nov 15 2023 16:41 utc | 213

For the Outlaw US Empire, anything goes to keep its military foothold in West Asia intact; and as we’ve seen from its past behavior, War Crimes of the most hideous sort are “worth it” as the aims justify the means for US Imperialists.
Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2023 16:27 utc | 100
I recall Trump ordered military evacuation of Syria but they ignored his order.
Biden made a similar order for Afghanistan and they said “Yes Sir, immediately”
Does this Mean Trump tried to meet your thoughts on the “Empire” and was over ruled?

Posted by: william paul | Nov 15 2023 16:43 utc | 215

These are the babies in the hospital just raided by Israel.
Everyone who did not flee is subject to military discretionary execution, they say.
Even though Israel said that babies are a valid target, I am sure they will not kill these.
These babies are suffering enough already. Hospital staff have no food.

https://twitter.com/AlternatNews/status/1724829111917408345

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 15 2023 16:44 utc | 217

Thanks b for that tabletmag link: it confirms that Hamas is repeating its 2014 Shifa hospital act while keep its military headquarters below there – again. Western woke are falling for it in droves, also here at MoA.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
sub title: And why reporters won’t talk about it
In 1983 the Israeli civil administration in the territories constructed the hospital complex’s Building Number 2, which has a large cement basement that housed the hospital’s laundry and various administrative services. It was never top secret for Israelis, only for Hamas’ foreign journalist and medical visitors.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 15 2023 16:48 utc | 219

tommylotto 60
Same old, same old.
Just keep blaming the victim.
Same old Zionist ploy.

Posted by: anon | Nov 15 2023 16:48 utc | 221

Posted by: Phil | Nov 15 2023 16:07 utc | 87
Posted by: william paul | Nov 15 2023 16:38 utc | 107
Yet you both are all over the Palestine forums like a fat kid on a cupcake …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 15 2023 16:49 utc | 223

Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺 @ejmalrai
#BreakingNews:
#Israel Occupation Forces left the Al-Shifa Hospital and kept the tanks outside the complex. The army found nothing, no #Hamas and no captives.
This is a real hit to White House Spokesperson John Kirby and the Pentagon spokesperson who lied blatantly.

Posted by: b | Nov 15 2023 16:55 utc | 225

A real zionist would not execute babies; they would just sit and watch them slowly die, probably while having lunch or a maybe a few drinks and take photos with their twisted swastika flags.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Nov 15 2023 16:55 utc | 227

augusto 79
Zionist forces routinely kidnap young children and force them in front of themselves and make them sit on top of their tanks as human shields. They do this as a matter of course, a routine act of policy. This is all well documented if you want to see the evidence. They have been doing this for many years.
To a very large extent, this is a US/ UK genocide. The UK has delivered 33 plane loads of bombs and weapons to Israel. The US has been sending 50 planes A DAY. Good to see US/ UK taxpayer money being well spent. Makes you proud to be British.

Posted by: anon | Nov 15 2023 16:59 utc | 229

What do you mean, Phil you seem confused?
I just don’t get the Israel-love on this site.
I enjoyed the Ukraine war posting, however.
Posted by: Phil | Nov 15 2023 16:07 utc | 87
Sorry, I meant ISLAM-love, of course
Posted by: Phil | Nov 15 2023 16:08 utc | 88

Posted by: canuck | Nov 15 2023 17:05 utc | 231

william paul@110….there is direct correlation between the Afghanistan bail out and the immediate redeployment to Eastern Europe to support the Ukraine. I haven’t seen anyone discuss that…..I don’t think they ran away from Afghanistan because they didn’t go home tail between the legs, they redeployed. So seems Afghanistan became irrelevant fast with what was happening on the Ukie Russian border.
Cheers M
….which may support the thought they can’t fight multiple wars on multiple fronts……and win. No shortage of chaos though.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 15 2023 17:11 utc | 233

Posted by: Stonebird | Nov 15 2023 16:29 utc | 102
Please explain why the Hospital has not been allowed to continue functioning?
or is it that the hospital has been converted into an IDF military base, with Palestinian civilians, doctors and others as human shields?
Interesting idea -they want that bunker they built. Never thought of that angle

Posted by: canuck | Nov 15 2023 17:14 utc | 235

Posted by: unimperator | Nov 15 2023 16:24 utc | 98
Thanks for the updates.

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 15 2023 17:15 utc | 237

There is much pain at reading MoA. We share pain and anger. We try to come up with ideas and judgment and it is good and necessary.
We indulge in thinking Russia and China are better than Israël and the Usa. And it seems so for the time being. But imperialism is the law of ALL the states.
What we witness really, behind the news, is the stupidity of our world culture, of our commune modern civilisation.
We as individuals gather here to formulate better ways than those of the modern invading states.
It is a work of an huge intensity,undertook with many differents points of view. Many welcome.

Posted by: Baile | Nov 15 2023 17:16 utc | 239

Jonathan W@93…..seems like someone’s undies are tattered and soiled. The only commonality between the Ukrainian unrest and the Gaza uprising…… Zionists Under The Bed……to refrains of 10cc…….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Nov 15 2023 17:18 utc | 241

Individuals are better than states. They have souls. What is outragious is to see states destroying souls. What is beautiful is to see souls caring for other souls.
Friends are those with which we can share genocide, nowaday.

Posted by: Baile | Nov 15 2023 17:23 utc | 243

This is my #1 source for thoroughness and integrity.
Thank you

Posted by: Chris N | Nov 15 2023 17:23 utc | 245

“But imperialism is the law of ALL the states.”
Wrong. It is the law of capitalism and slave economies. China is ruled by neither. I’m willing to suspend judgement on Russia for now as they seem to be in an indeterminate economic state at the moment, with capitalists apparently not holding the reins.
Never assume one’s own flaws are universal.

Posted by: William Gruff | Nov 15 2023 17:27 utc | 247

Apparently, we have the perception among some people here at the bar that it’s all innocent Israel merely defending itself against the bestial Hamas, or another view @ it’s a ruthless attack on the Palestinians, as usual historically, with a disproportionate “collective punishment.”
Netinyahoo himself, today, denies anything but a righteous cause on his part:
“It is not Israel that is deliberately targeting civilians but Hamas that beheaded, burned and massacred civilians,” Netanyahu said, calling Hamas’ actions on October 7 the worst thing to happen to Jews since the Holocaust. He insisted that Israel is doing everything possible to “keep civilians out of harm’s way.”
https://www.rt.com/news/587330-netanyahu-angry-trudeau-children-claims/
This is a response to Trudeau’s comment that there should be some restraint, there are rules of war, as apparently Trudeau is getting wind that he’d better clean up his act to avoid risking political damage to himself according to the gathering world storm of disapproval at the genocide.
To begin with there have been several studies casting doubt on the “beheadings” etc. version of the Oct 7 attack, plus revised estimates of how many of the dead were actually killed by IDF forces. What are the facts? What do we know? The questions of what Hamas is, what it’s doing, what is its responsibility in this slaughter are not being examined, as far as I know, other than portrayals as with Net above and the automatic dismissals.
The fantasy of the monster Hamas continues and is the building block justifying the collective punishment. Then of course to assert IDF is nobly keeping civilians out of harm’s way is outrageous delusion and falseness. Normally we might recommend a person with this sort of view to the psychiatrist’s chair.
But most convincing on trying to figure it out are reports from on the scene, as with the following from Middle East Eye today–a few excerpts:
“[The hospital] is totally surrounded by snipers and tanks. Drones are targeting whoever tries to move between the buildings of the hospital and within the hospital area,” Dr Ahmed Mukhallalati, the chief of plastic surgery at al-Shifa, told MEE.
“We had many incidents where the wounded were in the adjoining block of the hospital, and they asked for help, and no one was able to reach the place,” he continued
“One of the members of the Alami family got injured. Her sister is a doctor here, and she tried to call an ambulance. 
“No one was able to arrange for an ambulance to get there. She died waiting for help in the other block of the hospital.”
The stresses of war are causing a higher rate of miscarriages and premature births among pregnant women in Gaza.
Mukhallalati explained that incubators helped regulate conditions for a premature child in order to closely mimic the condition of their mother’s womb.
An incubator’s temperature and humidity are adjusted according to the needs of each infant and doing so is an electricity-intensive process.
“It is totally unsafe in the women’s ward and it was attacked four times. We’ve taken the newborns from the incubator area and put them in rooms with regular beds,” he said.
“Unfortunately, this situation means we are waiting for them to die one by one.”
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-shifa-hospital-bodies-pile-up-no-go-zone

Posted by: botete | Nov 15 2023 17:29 utc | 249

We say “war crimes” and that’s what they are indeed. But there is no real war crime tribunal on this planet.

Posted by: Baile | Nov 15 2023 17:32 utc | 251

bunker TABLET story:
notwithstanding the text delivers no actual evidence for this claim:
“Back in 1983, when Israel still ruled Gaza, they built a secure underground operating room and tunnel network beneath Shifa hospital.”
I don´t mind. But that makes it worthless for any argument I have with non-MOA readers.
Or did I miss something?
p.s. the NYT article from 2009 mentioned by TABLET:
https://archive.is/ASEkS

Posted by: AG | Nov 15 2023 17:35 utc | 253

william paul | Nov 15 2023 16:43 utc | 110–
Trump said many things, most of which were bullshit. He also ordered the murder of two very important officials of Iraq and Iran. So, if you support Trump, you support a murderer. And he also said of the West Asian invasions that we should have kept all the oil, which is precisely the goal.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2023 17:36 utc | 255

b | Nov 15 2023 16:55 utc | 116–
Was it really “a hit” b since they always lie “blatantly”?

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2023 17:39 utc | 257

I don´t mind. But that makes it worthless for any argument I have with non-MOA readers.
Or did I miss something?
p.s. the NYT article from 2009 mentioned by TABLET:
https://archive.is/ASEkS
Posted by: AG | Nov 15 2023 17:35 utc | 130
What does it matter now?
– no firing ever came from.al Shifa
– no Hamas were ever seen either in the compound or the tunnels.
– no headquarters were found in the basement
– no hostages found in the basement
The Zionists tie you up by throwing out a dozen little lies and get you chasing like a puppy after a rubber bone.
But in the end it’s just a rubber bone …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 15 2023 17:40 utc | 259

Posted by: b | Nov 15 2023 16:55 utc | 116
This is the inflection point. Is everybody paying attention? Either Israel will say: “oops! ICC come and get us” or they will quadruple down as Dreizin suggests. Since b wants to bet, which one do you think it will be? I think the latter – and ironically it is Russia that has shown (to him) that good things can happen when you do not fold.
And just to show we are open to all faiths here: Sheikh Imran Hosein has said that Pax Americana will be followed by Pax Judaica. That is something to ponder.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 15 2023 17:42 utc | 261

sean the leprechaun | Nov 15 2023 17:11 utc | 120–
You are on to it. Read Escobar’s latest, “Why the US needs this war in Gaza”. In support, there’s the long talk between Ben Norton and Michael Hudson, “Israel as a Landed Aircraft Carrier”.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2023 17:43 utc | 263

We say “war crimes” and that’s what they are indeed. But there is no real war crime tribunal on this planet.
Posted by: Baile | Nov 15 2023 17:32 utc | 129
All wars are crimes.
The notion of a “war crime” is akin to “illegal rape”.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Nov 15 2023 17:44 utc | 265

Baile | Nov 15 2023 17:32 utc | 129–
Actually there is one in Russia which has operated since the SMO began, and its convictions are announced weekly during the MFA’s briefing.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2023 17:47 utc | 267

The summit of antisemitism is the ideology of those who kill undistinctely women, children and men because they are Semites. Palestinians are Semites. Now everybody can draw a conclusion.
In France, some people are going totally crazy.
Imagine someone tagging Russian or Ukrainian flags on several walls of any city. What would anyone with more than two brain cells think? The authors are doing this in support of either Russia or Ukraine depending on the flags of those respective countries.
Now imagine someone tagging blue David stars on the same walls. For instance:
https://www.radiofrance.fr/s3/cruiser-production/2023/11/3a3ba58e-0a1a-4310-9f39-49f7a76b645e/560x315_sc_sc_000-33zl7m2.webp
The first and immediate reactions were: those are acts of antisemitism. One star = one act of antisemitism. 100 stars = 100 acts of antisemitism.
The suspected man who paid people to tag those stars, someone from Moldavia with an Ukrainian name, said that those tags were to support Israel. Some newspaper wrote that he is pro-Russian and antisemite. Go figure.
The western countries are inacting the Nietzsche ideology, his Great Policy, his Will to Power and his Supermen. Hitler failed in this endeavour. Let’s see what will happen now.

Posted by: Naive | Nov 15 2023 17:56 utc | 269

The Israelis may be blind but so are many critics. Netanyahu is USAs man. … The top-layer in Israel IS a US layer. Therefore it is another branch of the US that may have more influence in Washington than the Biden branch.
…
Posted by: petergrfstrm | Nov 15 2023 11:20 utc | 14
This might interest you:
https://t.me/intelslava/53459

🇮🇱 Tel Aviv sent two thousand “military advisers” to guard nuclear facilities. We are talking, according to Arab sources, about the protection of the nuclear research center in Dimona and the Tebna desert area.
In the military-political leadership of Israel, the information that control over large nuclear facilities has passed to the US Armed Forces is called an “information and psychological campaign.”

Posted by: anon2020 | Nov 15 2023 17:56 utc | 271

NSFW
only click if you have a strong constitution
Israeli’s are some sick f**Ker’s
All of you screaming out “No Ceasefire!” are enabling the genocidal, satanic Israelis, who are responsible for this boy’s horrifically painful death, and THOUSANDS more just like his, to continue killing MORE CHILDREN!
This poor boy had his eyes blinded, face melted away, and both legs blown off. He lost so much blood, he is PALE as a GHOST
https://twitter.com/Lucas_Gage_/status/1724567685504086158

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 15 2023 17:59 utc | 273

Website of the investigative committee of Russia.
https://en.sledcom.ru
War criminals will be extradited, captured whatever to face the Russian tribunal/courts. Dependent on their responsibility in targeting civilians, killing and torturing prisoners ect, if they cannot be extradited/arrested, they will be killed.
Russia did this to clean up as many CIA terrorist as possible – those responsible for large terrorist events in Russia. One was killed in Turkey, another in Germany. In both cases it some years of negations for Russia to recover their men as in both those cases they were arrested and imprisoned, which is the reason we get to know about those two instances.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 15 2023 18:04 utc | 275

What happened to my lovely country uk ?
In an hours time the govenment will vote on whether the Israelies should stop the child abuse or not.
Read it and weep.

Posted by: Mark2 | Nov 15 2023 18:04 utc | 277

The US has committed so many war crimes it would take a volume the size of an encyclopedia to document. I learned about a lot of this during Vietnam. Had an acquaintance that was in the Phoenix project. Don’t ask. Another Navy friend that watched our Criminals In Action running heroin out of the Mekong. Don’t ask, don’t die. These motherfuckers play for keeps.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Nov 15 2023 18:06 utc | 279

In case someone wonders how this rhymes with the Bible, which Netanyahu likes to read:
Psalm 137:9
“Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!”

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 15 2023 18:09 utc | 281

@Posted by: botete | Nov 15 2023 17:29 utc | 128
This ammounts to a proof of pre-planned ethnic cleansing and should be documented in detail….
When the IDF had already killed around 2500 children in Gaza, in the first days of Israeli “operation”, a doctor in Gaza pointed out, when already hospitals were being attacked, and where many people have found shelter, that around 5000 women were about to give birth in a month..fearing which supplies they would get with in front of the destruction pace it was going on at the time and the already blocking of supplies….We are already reaching the 5000 children killed….
I commented at the time, at Sonar21, that the Palestinians will prevail, anyway, because eventhough the Israelis kill 2500, then Palestinian women will give birth to 5000…
Well, someone seems to have noticed that fact on the Israeli side, and the current offensive against hospitals, plus lack of any Hamas operative caught in the way, shows clearly that the objective there is killing the Gaza new generation of newborns and about to be born.
By cutting electricity and water and carpet bombing Gaza they are doing a war against Palestinian babies and their pregnant mothers, as a way of ethnic cleansing by the sick especimens in charge in Israel and their followers in the IDF…
It is the only conclusion one can take out of this “offensive”…since they have achieved anything except destroying the civil and health infrastruture of Gaza so that anyone who can not manange going on its two feet can abandone the Gaza Strip alive….
All this, with the full complicity of the US and the EU high echelons…and shamefull support by other few racist governments remaining around the world….
Records of this should be kept for the Nuremberg Trials 2.0….

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Nov 15 2023 18:09 utc | 283

But imperialism is the law of ALL the states.
Posted by: Baile | Nov 15 2023 17:16 utc | 123
That is nothing more than projecting western government/western power onto the governments of all countries around the world. When I say western, I look specifically at the European Anglo world. Mostly the countries and peoples that came within the Holy Roman Empire of the treaties of Westphalia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 15 2023 18:12 utc | 285

In case someone wonders how this rhymes with the Bible, which Netanyahu likes to read:
Psalm 137:9
“Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!”
Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 15 2023 18:09 utc | 144
The Book of Psalms, also known as the Psalms, or the Psalter, is the first book of the third section of the Hebrew Bible called Ketuvim, and a book of the Old Testament.
The Old Testament is Judaic.
Only the new testament is Christian.
What you seem to be saying is that Judaism has always been like this, its not a new post-Holocaust development

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 15 2023 18:17 utc | 287

Anti Jews have published a list of Israeli companies to boycott
https://www.betterworld.info/conflict-regions/israel-palestine/boycott-divestment-sanctions-bds/boycott-israeli-goods
Posted by: Exile | Nov 15 2023 11:51 utc | 20
I followed your link. Could not find anti-jew or even anti-israel content.
Be careful with labeling people!
From your link
”
This nonviolent form of resistance aims to put significant economic pressure on the Israeli government until they comply with international law and end discriminatory policies towards Palestinians.
”

Posted by: 600w | Nov 15 2023 18:17 utc | 289

Jonathan W | Nov 15 2023 18:09 utc | 144 “In case someone wonders how this rhymes with the Bible, which Netanyahu likes to read:”
Jews do not read/take their scriptures from the bible.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 15 2023 18:19 utc | 291

Posted by: UpToEleven | Nov 15 2023 18:17 utc | 148
Psalms are read by Christians too in the liturgy of hours etc. but this verse has caused discomfort to the extent that it has been skipped. What I seem to be saying is that this is how Israel’s government in its current ultrareligious composition may see the world. Just a hunch as I don’t want to put words in their mouth.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 15 2023 18:24 utc | 293

william paul | Nov 15 2023 16:43 utc | 110–
More education for you:

And Trump himself, President Donald Trump, boasted in a 2020 interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham that he was leaving U.S. troops in Syria to take the oil:
DONALD TRUMP: And then they say, “He left troops in Syria”. You know what I did? I left troops to take the oil. I took the oil. The only troops I have are taking the oil. They’re protecting the oil.
LAURA INGRAHAM: We’re not taking the oil. We’re not taking it.
DONALD TRUMP: Well, maybe we will, maybe we won’t.
LAURA INGRAHAM: They’re protecting the facilities.
DONALD TRUMP: I don’t know, maybe we should take it. But we have the oil. Right now, the United States has the oil.
So they say, “He left troops in Syria”. No, I got rid of all of them, other than we’re protecting the oil; we have the oil.

From the Norton-Hudson interview.

Posted by: karlof1 | Nov 15 2023 18:25 utc | 295

Jews do not read/take their scriptures from the bible.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Nov 15 2023 18:19 utc | 150
I see lol

Posted by: Jonathan W | Nov 15 2023 18:28 utc | 297

Posted by: 600w |
Where I live it’s a crime to promote BDS

Posted by: Exile | Nov 15 2023 18:30 utc | 299