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October 9, 2023
WSJ Joins Neocons To Instigate War On Iran

Updated below.

The neo-conservatives want to blame Iran for the current war in Palestine/Gaza.

They have for years tried to instigate war against it. Now they again see a chance. But its not a big one – yet.

Yossi Melman is a very well connected Israeli author:

Yossi Melman @yossi_melman – 5:33 UTC · Oct 9, 2023

IDF spokeperson Brig-General Danny Hagari said that there is no indication of an Iranian involvement in the war in Gaza.

Biden administration scrambles to deter wider Mideast conflictWashington Post – Oct 8 2023

Asked whether Hamas may have acted in partnership with Iran to disrupt the effort to broker a Saudi deal, Blinken said “that could have been part of the motivation. Look, who opposes normalization? Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran.”

But, he said, “we have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack.”

Fear not, say the neocons, we still have the Wall Street Journal to carry water for us:

Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks (archived) – Wall Street Journal – Oct 8 2023

DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.

Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

WSJ authors in Dubai(!) have access to "senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah"?

Both groups are notorious for their secrecy and their senior leadership is usually hidden away. Those facts alone are enough to debunk the report as nonsense. But the WSJ authors continue:

“We don’t have any information at this time to corroborate this account,” said a U.S. official of the meetings.

A European official and an adviser to the Syrian government, however, gave the same account of Iran’s involvement in the lead-up to the attack as the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members.

Asked about the meetings, Mahmoud Mirdawi, a senior Hamas official, said the group planned the attacks on its own. “This is a Palestinian and Hamas decision,” he said.

A spokesman for Iran’s mission to the United Nations said the Islamic Republic stood in support of Gaza’s actions but didn’t direct them.

“The decisions made by the Palestinian resistance are fiercely autonomous and unwaveringly aligned with the legitimate interests of the Palestinian people,” the spokesman said. “We are not involved in Palestine’s response, as it is taken solely by Palestine itself.”

Three direct rejections by official sources of the WSJ claims get countered with an anonymous 'European official' and a likewise anonymous 'adviser to the Syrian government'.

It is like the authors don't even try to sound believable:

A direct Iranian role would take Tehran’s long-running conflict with Israel out of the shadows, raising the risk of broader conflict in the Middle East. Senior Israeli security officials have pledged to strike at Iran’s leadership if Tehran is found responsible for killing Israelis.

The IRGC’s broader plan is to create a multi-front threat that can strangle Israel from all sides—Hezbollah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in the north and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, according to the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members and an Iranian official.

Israel has blamed Iran, saying it is behind the attacks, if indirectly. ​​ “We know that there were meetings in Syria and in Lebanon with other leaders of the terror armies that surround Israel so obviously it’s easy to understand that they tried to coordinate. The proxies of Iran in our region, they tried to be coordinated as much as possible with Iran,” Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, said Sunday.

There is however little evidence for the Israeli assertion:

Leading the effort to wrangle Iran’s foreign proxies under a unified command has been Ismail Qaani, the leader of the IRGC’s international military arm, the Quds Force.

Qaani launched coordination among several militias surrounding Israel in April during a meeting in Lebanon, The Wall Street Journal has reported, where Hamas began working more closely with other groups such as Hezbollah for the first time.

Hamas and Hezbollah have cooperated for decades. During the war on Syria some Hamas members took the side of the 'moderate rebels'. They taught them how to dig large tunnels, a technique they themselves had once learned from Hizbullah:

Abu Musaab, a leader in Ahrar al-Sham, told the pro-uprising satellite television station Orient News that the Syrian militant group received tutorial videos from Gazans showing them how to repair collapsing tunnels.

"The ground here became damp and began to fall on us…and some of our youth were trapped inside. So we spoke to those with expertise, our brothers in Gaza, may God reward their good deeds," Abu Musaab was quoted as saying.

"We consulted them regarding the problem and they advised us to bring in wood (plates), sending us video segment showing us how they do it and we replicated that," Abu Musaab added.

And in June 2013, the pro-Hezbollah al-Akhbar newspaper reported that "sources close to Hezbollah and the Syrian regime claim that Hamas had a role to play in the battles of Qusayr, [where tunnels] … had been dug using small Iranian devices that Hezbollah had transferred to Hamas."

"Some of the explosives, they added, were found to contain electronic chips that Hamas had acquired from Iran and Hezbollah," the Lebanese paper said.

After the war in Syria was decided in the governments favor, Hamas slowly found its way back into the resistance camp. Consultations between Hezbullah and Hamas have been constant since. Back to the WSJ:

Representatives of these groups have met with Quds Force leaders at least biweekly in Lebanon since August to discuss this weekend’s attack on Israel and what happens next, they said. Qaani has attended some of those meetings along with Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah, Islamic Jihad leader al-Nakhalah, and Saleh al-Arouri, Hamas’s military chief, the militant-group members said.

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian attended at least two of the meetings, they said.

This, however, is clearly no believable. Amir-Abdollahian is a professional diplomat, not a security official. While he has been deeply involved in political issues regarding Palestine he is unlikely to have been involved in any top-secret operational planning.

Also biweekly meetings between Qaani, Nasrallah and other high ranking resistance leaders are unlikely to have ever happened. Each such meeting would be a security nightmare.

The planning for the recent Hamas operation must have taken years not just the few month since August. While the WSJ lets it seem that there is operational coordination between the various resistance groups their real cooperation is on a way more strategic level.

Each group in the resistance axis has its own plans and goals. That does not exclude strategic cooperation, but not on the detail level of fighting:

Egypt, which is trying to mediate in the conflict, has warned Israeli officials that a ground invasion into Gaza would trigger a military response from Hezbollah, opening up a second battlefront, people familiar with the matter said. Israel and Hezbollah exchanged fire briefly on Sunday.

The Iranian official said that if Iran were attacked, it would respond with missile strikes on Israel from Lebanon, Yemen and Iran, and send Iranian fighters into Israel from Syria to attack cities in the north and east of Israel.

While there is no denying that Iran, Hezbullah, Hamas and others consult with each other on a high level, any deeper cooperation, training or assistance is unlikely to still exist. It is each on their own, but with a common big goal in mind.

Update – 14:40 UTC

Of interest:

Andrew MacGregor Marshall @zenjournalist – 11:54 UTC · Oct 9, 2023

The main reporter on this story, @summer_said, has a history of dishonesty and inventing stories. I fired her from Reuters in 2008 for this reason. I’m surprised that the @WSJ has hired her and is publishing her stories that are clearly bogus.

Comments

Military summary also makes a daily report on Palestine now. Obviously, the reporting might have much more gaps and be less consistent due to very restricted amount and quality of information coming out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cjzDr2X7hI

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 15:59 utc | 201

Military summary also makes a daily report on Palestine now. Obviously, the reporting might have much more gaps and be less consistent due to very restricted amount and quality of information coming out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cjzDr2X7hI

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 15:59 utc | 202

Iran Sucks.
Russia having to make company with Iran is going to fuck Russia in the end.
Only a few places doing it right these days. Hungary stands out.
No religious fundamentalism and no atheism (which is simply the belief in stupid things).
I agree, part of the corrupted west needs to vanquished. But the saviors are also in the west, meaning normal Americans, and to some extent a fewer number of normal europeans. Russia should make company with the normals, not the wackos from Iran.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 203

Iran Sucks.
Russia having to make company with Iran is going to fuck Russia in the end.
Only a few places doing it right these days. Hungary stands out.
No religious fundamentalism and no atheism (which is simply the belief in stupid things).
I agree, part of the corrupted west needs to vanquished. But the saviors are also in the west, meaning normal Americans, and to some extent a fewer number of normal europeans. Russia should make company with the normals, not the wackos from Iran.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 204

Anything the western MSM tells you is a lie. They wouldn’t even invest the ink to print a valid recipe for applesauce. Their only purpose is to manipulate the public.
This is a total setup, some goddamn chessboard pretend by sick psychopaths.
The US needs to be defeated, broken up, occupied, its resources exploited and the psychopaths hung. After a short trial, of course.

Posted by: oracle | Oct 9 2023 16:03 utc | 205

Anything the western MSM tells you is a lie. They wouldn’t even invest the ink to print a valid recipe for applesauce. Their only purpose is to manipulate the public.
This is a total setup, some goddamn chessboard pretend by sick psychopaths.
The US needs to be defeated, broken up, occupied, its resources exploited and the psychopaths hung. After a short trial, of course.

Posted by: oracle | Oct 9 2023 16:03 utc | 206

Thanks Karlof,

You shouldn’t need to subscribe to read or comment as it’s open access. Click my hyperlinked name to get there and see for yourself.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 15:41 utc | 94

Works fine here in the US. Appreciate the additional reading material.

Posted by: Forest | Oct 9 2023 16:03 utc | 207

Thanks Karlof,

You shouldn’t need to subscribe to read or comment as it’s open access. Click my hyperlinked name to get there and see for yourself.
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 15:41 utc | 94

Works fine here in the US. Appreciate the additional reading material.

Posted by: Forest | Oct 9 2023 16:03 utc | 208

Zionist occupiers must get out and return to the Arabs what they stole, namely houses and land.

Posted by: Psycho | Oct 9 2023 16:04 utc | 209

Zionist occupiers must get out and return to the Arabs what they stole, namely houses and land.

Posted by: Psycho | Oct 9 2023 16:04 utc | 210

Passerby | Oct 9 2023 12:52 utc | 32
*** In Berlin, Germany, baclava sweets were handed out in celebration. There are videos from refugee shelters in Germany where men dance and enthusiastically celebrate.
The Central Council of Jews has called for consequences. “Anyone who cheers the killing by Hamas on German streets and distributes sweets on this occasion must be examined to see what consequences will be drawn by the rule of law,” the association said Monday. The Muslim associations in Germany had “unfortunately failed to take a clear position on this and on the war in Israel.” ***
Shows how massively hypocritical the zionist liberal / Jewish element and their supporters in Western societies are, in that they are forever *insisting* on there being unrestricted mass-immigration (plus laws against indigenous people objecting to that) in countries other than Israel — yet when there’s a (non-jewish) mass-immigration to Israel the very same liberals promptly demand extremely violent action to reverse it.
And, as quoted above, insist that “the rule of law” must be invoked against any who object to Israeli (or even just jewish) ‘exceptionalism’.
What happened to all the liberals’ usual assertions about mass-immigration being such a wonderful “cultural enrichment” and so good for “the economy”?

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 9 2023 16:06 utc | 211

Passerby | Oct 9 2023 12:52 utc | 32
*** In Berlin, Germany, baclava sweets were handed out in celebration. There are videos from refugee shelters in Germany where men dance and enthusiastically celebrate.
The Central Council of Jews has called for consequences. “Anyone who cheers the killing by Hamas on German streets and distributes sweets on this occasion must be examined to see what consequences will be drawn by the rule of law,” the association said Monday. The Muslim associations in Germany had “unfortunately failed to take a clear position on this and on the war in Israel.” ***
Shows how massively hypocritical the zionist liberal / Jewish element and their supporters in Western societies are, in that they are forever *insisting* on there being unrestricted mass-immigration (plus laws against indigenous people objecting to that) in countries other than Israel — yet when there’s a (non-jewish) mass-immigration to Israel the very same liberals promptly demand extremely violent action to reverse it.
And, as quoted above, insist that “the rule of law” must be invoked against any who object to Israeli (or even just jewish) ‘exceptionalism’.
What happened to all the liberals’ usual assertions about mass-immigration being such a wonderful “cultural enrichment” and so good for “the economy”?

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 9 2023 16:06 utc | 212

Thanks Karl. You began your substack when I had become very ill and greatly reduced my reading. I must never have tried to access it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:07 utc | 213

Thanks Karl. You began your substack when I had become very ill and greatly reduced my reading. I must never have tried to access it.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:07 utc | 214

RE: “Like Lebanon, you mean?”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 14:48 utc | 68
It was a suggestion. I’m really speaking in regards to responsibility & accountability. I am ok with any formation of governance by the citizens that possess the land and are in agreement.
If a Nation State of people decide uniformly that they will be a race of Jewish only citizens and consider any other race on their land inferior and will not have access to the same privileges & voting. Fine.
However, you don’t get to call yourself “democratic”, you don’t get to bypass UNHR laws, etc.
You get to call yourself what you are, an autocratic racist nation state and be willing to accept any repercussions that that might invite or entail for your Nation & citizens.
There’s no more crying about how “unfair” the world is.
If this is truly what your citizens and governance see as their Nation Statehood, then suck it up. If you don’t want the global international community to see you through that lens, then change your way of governance.
That’s really all I’m saying.
None of this though even addresses the occupation.
The pretense hypocrisy, but worse, the zero accountability & responsibility of that hypocrisy is why their own citizens suffer. It’s cowardice.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 16:09 utc | 215

RE: “Like Lebanon, you mean?”
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 14:48 utc | 68
It was a suggestion. I’m really speaking in regards to responsibility & accountability. I am ok with any formation of governance by the citizens that possess the land and are in agreement.
If a Nation State of people decide uniformly that they will be a race of Jewish only citizens and consider any other race on their land inferior and will not have access to the same privileges & voting. Fine.
However, you don’t get to call yourself “democratic”, you don’t get to bypass UNHR laws, etc.
You get to call yourself what you are, an autocratic racist nation state and be willing to accept any repercussions that that might invite or entail for your Nation & citizens.
There’s no more crying about how “unfair” the world is.
If this is truly what your citizens and governance see as their Nation Statehood, then suck it up. If you don’t want the global international community to see you through that lens, then change your way of governance.
That’s really all I’m saying.
None of this though even addresses the occupation.
The pretense hypocrisy, but worse, the zero accountability & responsibility of that hypocrisy is why their own citizens suffer. It’s cowardice.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 16:09 utc | 216

Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 15:50 utc | 105
‘Houthi’ advance weaponry must be kept in mind. I assume Iran produces various items specifically for various conflicts so they can be ‘domestically developed and manufactured’ weaponry within that conflict. Electrical engineering the the critical area of expertise in most modern weapons and this is a field Iran excels at.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:15 utc | 217

Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 15:50 utc | 105
‘Houthi’ advance weaponry must be kept in mind. I assume Iran produces various items specifically for various conflicts so they can be ‘domestically developed and manufactured’ weaponry within that conflict. Electrical engineering the the critical area of expertise in most modern weapons and this is a field Iran excels at.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:15 utc | 218

Don’t be against the “west” be against the regime, as most normals are in america.
“rules based order” is not what normals believe in. It’s code for: “I am the fucking boss'”
You folks are falling for one malignancy in place of the malignancy you rightfully deplore. Big mistake.
Make your stake with Normals, no regime.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:16 utc | 219

Don’t be against the “west” be against the regime, as most normals are in america.
“rules based order” is not what normals believe in. It’s code for: “I am the fucking boss'”
You folks are falling for one malignancy in place of the malignancy you rightfully deplore. Big mistake.
Make your stake with Normals, no regime.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:16 utc | 220

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 16:09 utc | 107
Trubind1 – neither will work. Not a one state solution, not a two state solution.
I know you think this is illogical or irrational but believe me the chain of logic developed back from the facts of the ground has been run through for decades.
A one state solution destroys the very raison d’etre for the European jewish colonisation of Palestine.
A two state solution could never appease the endless appetite for security and dominance those colonists demand.
The Zionist Jewish diaspora, along with their neocon backers in Britain and the US will never allow either of these two constructs to exist – even if the colonists themselves came around to accepting them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:16 utc | 221

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 16:09 utc | 107
Trubind1 – neither will work. Not a one state solution, not a two state solution.
I know you think this is illogical or irrational but believe me the chain of logic developed back from the facts of the ground has been run through for decades.
A one state solution destroys the very raison d’etre for the European jewish colonisation of Palestine.
A two state solution could never appease the endless appetite for security and dominance those colonists demand.
The Zionist Jewish diaspora, along with their neocon backers in Britain and the US will never allow either of these two constructs to exist – even if the colonists themselves came around to accepting them.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:16 utc | 222

PS
Arch Bungler is not a “normal”

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 223

PS
Arch Bungler is not a “normal”

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 224

I’m still waiting for Israel and/or its fellow travelers to publish up-to-date ‘incubator babies’ tales. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Posted by: John S | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 225

I’m still waiting for Israel and/or its fellow travelers to publish up-to-date ‘incubator babies’ tales. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Posted by: John S | Oct 9 2023 16:18 utc | 226

Electrical engineering the the critical area of expertise in most modern weapons and this is a field Iran excels at.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:15 utc | 108
Indeed – what excites me is the thought of Gaza now with air defense.
What if, just what if, they could find a way to neutralise israeli air power?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:19 utc | 227

Electrical engineering the the critical area of expertise in most modern weapons and this is a field Iran excels at.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:15 utc | 108
Indeed – what excites me is the thought of Gaza now with air defense.
What if, just what if, they could find a way to neutralise israeli air power?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:19 utc | 228

Passerby | Oct 9 2023 12:52 utc | 31
*** The Central Council of Jews has called for consequences. “Anyone who cheers the killing by Hamas on German streets and distributes sweets …***
But isn’t there a Jewish festival where they celebrate Jewish forces having carried out a very big massacre long ago?

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 9 2023 16:22 utc | 229

Passerby | Oct 9 2023 12:52 utc | 31
*** The Central Council of Jews has called for consequences. “Anyone who cheers the killing by Hamas on German streets and distributes sweets …***
But isn’t there a Jewish festival where they celebrate Jewish forces having carried out a very big massacre long ago?

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 9 2023 16:22 utc | 230

Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:16 utc | 109
Garbage. All you have do is watch Trump and RFK. Deepstate or outsiders, being a zionist is critical to win over a very large voting block.
But what surprises me is the many people distrust national governments to the point of believing voting is a waste of time as nothing changes, they believe completely the propaganda their government use to demonize target countries.
All you have to do is read the read Goering quote about creating an enemy threat then look about to see that is true of any population.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:27 utc | 231

Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:16 utc | 109
Garbage. All you have do is watch Trump and RFK. Deepstate or outsiders, being a zionist is critical to win over a very large voting block.
But what surprises me is the many people distrust national governments to the point of believing voting is a waste of time as nothing changes, they believe completely the propaganda their government use to demonize target countries.
All you have to do is read the read Goering quote about creating an enemy threat then look about to see that is true of any population.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:27 utc | 232

*** The Central Council of Jews Learned Council of Elders of Zion has called for consequences. “Anyone who cheers the killing by Hamas on German streets and distributes sweets …***
Posted by: Cynic | Oct 9 2023 16:22 utc | 114

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:28 utc | 233

*** The Central Council of Jews Learned Council of Elders of Zion has called for consequences. “Anyone who cheers the killing by Hamas on German streets and distributes sweets …***
Posted by: Cynic | Oct 9 2023 16:22 utc | 114

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:28 utc | 234

Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:19 utc | 113
That is my thought as I realized straight away that to continue this offensive, Hamas would need air defence with longer reach than manpads. Anti armor capability will be another big one.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:30 utc | 235

Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:19 utc | 113
That is my thought as I realized straight away that to continue this offensive, Hamas would need air defence with longer reach than manpads. Anti armor capability will be another big one.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:30 utc | 236

The IAF is taking out entire multi-storey buildings
Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2023 15:30 utc | 94
So what? No one cares how many Palestinians are now killed. The important thing is that they got to draw first blood from the Zionists. Anyone who cares how many Palestinians die now is obviously a Zionist trying to prevent the Palestinians from rising up to their inevitable victory. We will fight the Zionists to the last Palestinian!

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 9 2023 16:30 utc | 237

The IAF is taking out entire multi-storey buildings
Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2023 15:30 utc | 94
So what? No one cares how many Palestinians are now killed. The important thing is that they got to draw first blood from the Zionists. Anyone who cares how many Palestinians die now is obviously a Zionist trying to prevent the Palestinians from rising up to their inevitable victory. We will fight the Zionists to the last Palestinian!

Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 9 2023 16:30 utc | 238

Indeed – what excites me is the thought of Gaza now with air defense.
What if, just what if, they could find a way to neutralise israeli air power?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:19 utc | 113

Gaza is a lost cause for that, unfortunately. And I don’t think they could ever transport air defense TEL systems into Gaza, and the density of buildings limit their effectivness.
Now, they should concentrate giving Lebanon air defense teeth. One need not be a psychic to understand the reason US CAG group is in the eastern Mediterranean. Obviously they will be used to help flatten Gaza, after that they will be used against Lebanon and Syria.
After Israel levels and annexes Gaza, they are heading north and north-east.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 16:31 utc | 239

Indeed – what excites me is the thought of Gaza now with air defense.
What if, just what if, they could find a way to neutralise israeli air power?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:19 utc | 113

Gaza is a lost cause for that, unfortunately. And I don’t think they could ever transport air defense TEL systems into Gaza, and the density of buildings limit their effectivness.
Now, they should concentrate giving Lebanon air defense teeth. One need not be a psychic to understand the reason US CAG group is in the eastern Mediterranean. Obviously they will be used to help flatten Gaza, after that they will be used against Lebanon and Syria.
After Israel levels and annexes Gaza, they are heading north and north-east.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 16:31 utc | 240

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2023 15:55 utc | 99
Bob the zio is from the same class as the historicaly ignorant braindead canadian parliment that gives standing ovations to actual 3rd reichers. Like clapping monkeys on meth.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 9 2023 16:33 utc | 241

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2023 15:55 utc | 99
Bob the zio is from the same class as the historicaly ignorant braindead canadian parliment that gives standing ovations to actual 3rd reichers. Like clapping monkeys on meth.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 9 2023 16:33 utc | 242

The Jews behave very cynically and hypocritically, they organized some kind of festival of idiots next to the poor ghetto in which refugees live, whom the Zionists threw out of their homes. Was there a provocation here to finally solve the Palestinian problem? They will kill everyone in the ghetto with the approval of the USA and its puppets. Now they have managed to come up with the idea of attaching Russia and weapons supplies. Damn, they’re complete assholes. By the way, the Russians claim that the Ukrainians sold a lot of Western weapons on the black market and they ended up in the hands of the Palestinians, which is what Russia warned about.

Posted by: Psycho | Oct 9 2023 16:35 utc | 243

The Jews behave very cynically and hypocritically, they organized some kind of festival of idiots next to the poor ghetto in which refugees live, whom the Zionists threw out of their homes. Was there a provocation here to finally solve the Palestinian problem? They will kill everyone in the ghetto with the approval of the USA and its puppets. Now they have managed to come up with the idea of attaching Russia and weapons supplies. Damn, they’re complete assholes. By the way, the Russians claim that the Ukrainians sold a lot of Western weapons on the black market and they ended up in the hands of the Palestinians, which is what Russia warned about.

Posted by: Psycho | Oct 9 2023 16:35 utc | 244

The reactionary commenters at a local news site blog immediately began blaming Biden for the attacks attributed to Hamas because of the Iranian monies released in exchange for those spies. Starting a war with Iran will be popular with conservatives and liberals in the US.

Posted by: Wilikins | Oct 9 2023 16:37 utc | 245

The reactionary commenters at a local news site blog immediately began blaming Biden for the attacks attributed to Hamas because of the Iranian monies released in exchange for those spies. Starting a war with Iran will be popular with conservatives and liberals in the US.

Posted by: Wilikins | Oct 9 2023 16:37 utc | 246

Let the impotent wailings of the Zionists continue. Iran is not shaking.

Posted by: Steve | Oct 9 2023 16:38 utc | 247

Let the impotent wailings of the Zionists continue. Iran is not shaking.

Posted by: Steve | Oct 9 2023 16:38 utc | 248

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 16:31 utc | 119

Gaza is a lost cause for that, unfortunately. And I don’t think they could ever transport air defense TEL systems into Gaza, and the density of buildings limit their effectivness.

Not TEL – we’re not talking icbms here. I was thinking new types of small, highly mobile devices like that mutabbir appears to be, developed with the range to take out low flying F-16s. This year seems to be the one for surprising new innovations.

After Israel levels and annexes Gaza, they are heading north and north-east.

It won’t be as easy as you point out, since the entire occupied Palestine will be on fire.
In any case, if this is their intent I hope Hezbollah realizes it soon. There’s no staying out of this one.
The way to prevent it is to put Tel Aviv, Haifa and Dimona under such extreme missile pressure that the occupation is brought to the brink of existential crisis.
That will force a call for ceasefire, perhaps concessions for Gaza.
Perhaps Hezbollah is beginning to get the message:

Addressing an event of solidarity with the Palestinian people in face of the Zionist enemy, held in Beirut’s Dahiyeh, Sayyed Safieddine indicated that the resistance fighters have proved that faith and will enable us to reach victory.
Sayyed Safieddine hailed Al-Aqsa Flood operation, affirming that it reflects the military capabilities of the Palestinian resistance and will identify ultimate destiny of the conflict with the Zionist enemy.
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His eminence warned the Israeli leaders that the battle is not restricted to the borders of Gaza, adding that all the Umma should engage in the heroic challenge and confrontation against the enemy.

Finally, Sayyed Safieddine emphasized that Hezbollah may never take a neutral stance, affirming that the Resistance fighters are completely ready to engage in the war.

Source: Al-Manar English Website

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:44 utc | 249

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 16:31 utc | 119

Gaza is a lost cause for that, unfortunately. And I don’t think they could ever transport air defense TEL systems into Gaza, and the density of buildings limit their effectivness.

Not TEL – we’re not talking icbms here. I was thinking new types of small, highly mobile devices like that mutabbir appears to be, developed with the range to take out low flying F-16s. This year seems to be the one for surprising new innovations.

After Israel levels and annexes Gaza, they are heading north and north-east.

It won’t be as easy as you point out, since the entire occupied Palestine will be on fire.
In any case, if this is their intent I hope Hezbollah realizes it soon. There’s no staying out of this one.
The way to prevent it is to put Tel Aviv, Haifa and Dimona under such extreme missile pressure that the occupation is brought to the brink of existential crisis.
That will force a call for ceasefire, perhaps concessions for Gaza.
Perhaps Hezbollah is beginning to get the message:

Addressing an event of solidarity with the Palestinian people in face of the Zionist enemy, held in Beirut’s Dahiyeh, Sayyed Safieddine indicated that the resistance fighters have proved that faith and will enable us to reach victory.
Sayyed Safieddine hailed Al-Aqsa Flood operation, affirming that it reflects the military capabilities of the Palestinian resistance and will identify ultimate destiny of the conflict with the Zionist enemy.
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His eminence warned the Israeli leaders that the battle is not restricted to the borders of Gaza, adding that all the Umma should engage in the heroic challenge and confrontation against the enemy.

Finally, Sayyed Safieddine emphasized that Hezbollah may never take a neutral stance, affirming that the Resistance fighters are completely ready to engage in the war.

Source: Al-Manar English Website

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:44 utc | 250

All you palestinian cheerleaders are making bed with transgenderists, family haters and destroyers, mass-immigrationists, wokists, cancel culturists, luddites, climate crazies, etc.
You should check yourself when you find yourself in league with that crew.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:49 utc | 251

All you palestinian cheerleaders are making bed with transgenderists, family haters and destroyers, mass-immigrationists, wokists, cancel culturists, luddites, climate crazies, etc.
You should check yourself when you find yourself in league with that crew.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:49 utc | 252

@ Exile 21
“Iran can defend itself. If NATO couldn’t beat tiny Serbia in 1999, why does anyone think Iran can be beaten ?”
Absolutely true! If US and Israel could not beat up Iran when Russia was not an ally, so from 1979 until maybe 2014 or even later, then the math hasn’t changed, and Iran can take care of itself. But having friends is always better. I doubt the West wants to seriously stir up the mess in the Middle East now. The advantage of distracting from defeat in Ukraine is not worth a much wider war.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Oct 9 2023 16:52 utc | 253

@ Exile 21
“Iran can defend itself. If NATO couldn’t beat tiny Serbia in 1999, why does anyone think Iran can be beaten ?”
Absolutely true! If US and Israel could not beat up Iran when Russia was not an ally, so from 1979 until maybe 2014 or even later, then the math hasn’t changed, and Iran can take care of itself. But having friends is always better. I doubt the West wants to seriously stir up the mess in the Middle East now. The advantage of distracting from defeat in Ukraine is not worth a much wider war.

Posted by: JessDTruth | Oct 9 2023 16:52 utc | 254

As for the Zionist attacks on Gaza, there will be tragedy there. It is with keeping in mind north Yemen under total blockade. The civilians and families of their fighters were will to make great sacrifices to allow their men to keep fighting. It seemed nobody was helping the Houthi’s and they were on their own. But then out of the blue, Chinese mediation and diplomacy brought about Saudi Iran rapprochement thus ending the main part of the war against the Houthi’s without creating a much larger and wider war.
There was a tragedy in Yemen and there will be a tragedy in Gaza, perhaps all of Palestine but the big players, Russia and China will be working quietly behind the scenes.
There is likely to be more of these type tragedies before this great change of era is over. The main thing is avoiding nuclear Armageddon while this this change is occurring.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:53 utc | 255

As for the Zionist attacks on Gaza, there will be tragedy there. It is with keeping in mind north Yemen under total blockade. The civilians and families of their fighters were will to make great sacrifices to allow their men to keep fighting. It seemed nobody was helping the Houthi’s and they were on their own. But then out of the blue, Chinese mediation and diplomacy brought about Saudi Iran rapprochement thus ending the main part of the war against the Houthi’s without creating a much larger and wider war.
There was a tragedy in Yemen and there will be a tragedy in Gaza, perhaps all of Palestine but the big players, Russia and China will be working quietly behind the scenes.
There is likely to be more of these type tragedies before this great change of era is over. The main thing is avoiding nuclear Armageddon while this this change is occurring.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 16:53 utc | 256

The logic is as follows:
It is inevitable. Therefore if it is inevitable, let it be and let them get the worst of it.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 15:46 utc | 97
Thanks for your reply Arch. Inevitable? As in certain? We had ‘war on Iran’ barflea here that’s been predicting this war, as he put it for the last 17 years, although I don’t see him here now. Maybe he got banned. He would love your scenario. It’s inevitable, so it’s inevitable? There is no logic in what you write. Sorry.
Certainty has a cost.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 9 2023 16:54 utc | 257

The logic is as follows:
It is inevitable. Therefore if it is inevitable, let it be and let them get the worst of it.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 15:46 utc | 97
Thanks for your reply Arch. Inevitable? As in certain? We had ‘war on Iran’ barflea here that’s been predicting this war, as he put it for the last 17 years, although I don’t see him here now. Maybe he got banned. He would love your scenario. It’s inevitable, so it’s inevitable? There is no logic in what you write. Sorry.
Certainty has a cost.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 9 2023 16:54 utc | 258

Doesn’t seem anyone here wants peace and decency or solutions.
Just conflict, bloodshed, destruction…

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:56 utc | 259

Doesn’t seem anyone here wants peace and decency or solutions.
Just conflict, bloodshed, destruction…

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:56 utc | 260

It’s inevitable, so it’s inevitable? There is no logic in what you write. Sorry.
Certainty has a cost.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 9 2023 16:54 utc | 128
If it’s not inevitable, Sakineh, then why bother reacting to my hypothetical?
It’s not going to happen as far as you’re concerned, right?
So – what’s got your feathers all ruffled?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:57 utc | 261

It’s inevitable, so it’s inevitable? There is no logic in what you write. Sorry.
Certainty has a cost.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 9 2023 16:54 utc | 128
If it’s not inevitable, Sakineh, then why bother reacting to my hypothetical?
It’s not going to happen as far as you’re concerned, right?
So – what’s got your feathers all ruffled?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 16:57 utc | 262

There’s a rumor that HAMAS used Huawei smart phones, instead of google spy-phones, to thwart eavesdropping by ‘western’ spooks.
Sounds too good to be true. But if it is, and I can get one, my spy-phone is headed for early retirement.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 9 2023 16:59 utc | 263

There’s a rumor that HAMAS used Huawei smart phones, instead of google spy-phones, to thwart eavesdropping by ‘western’ spooks.
Sounds too good to be true. But if it is, and I can get one, my spy-phone is headed for early retirement.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 9 2023 16:59 utc | 264

In America, it’s the same people who are driving the Ukraine funding and supporting the palestinians.
Can’t anyone here play this game?!

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:00 utc | 265

In America, it’s the same people who are driving the Ukraine funding and supporting the palestinians.
Can’t anyone here play this game?!

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:00 utc | 266

“but the Jew lived in Europe, and the Europeans found them a problem, so was the pogroms in Ukraine, the WW2 and so on. This is a European problem. Europe should take the Jews back.”
In 1938 Hitler actively sought out other countries that might take Germany’s Jews (less than 1% of Germany’s population. Nobody wanted them. Under Secretary of State Cordell Hull, even the US was reluctant to take large numbers of Jews at that time.
Recently, a majority of the White House chiefs of staff have been Jewish, and under Biden the Secretary of State, Attorney General, Treasury Secretary, Secretary of Homeland Security (e.g., border control), Secretary of Health and Human Services, and Secretary of Transportation are all Jewish. The leading neocons (Nuland and Kagan) are Jewish, and in Ukraine, President Zelensky and the main private investors–BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street (the Big 3), and Monsanto (agribusiness) are all Jewish. The major banks are largely Jewish. Pfizer (possible bioweapons) is Jewish. The major shareholders of Raytheon are the Big 3, which also dominates Wall Street.

Posted by: greg | Oct 9 2023 17:01 utc | 267

“but the Jew lived in Europe, and the Europeans found them a problem, so was the pogroms in Ukraine, the WW2 and so on. This is a European problem. Europe should take the Jews back.”
In 1938 Hitler actively sought out other countries that might take Germany’s Jews (less than 1% of Germany’s population. Nobody wanted them. Under Secretary of State Cordell Hull, even the US was reluctant to take large numbers of Jews at that time.
Recently, a majority of the White House chiefs of staff have been Jewish, and under Biden the Secretary of State, Attorney General, Treasury Secretary, Secretary of Homeland Security (e.g., border control), Secretary of Health and Human Services, and Secretary of Transportation are all Jewish. The leading neocons (Nuland and Kagan) are Jewish, and in Ukraine, President Zelensky and the main private investors–BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street (the Big 3), and Monsanto (agribusiness) are all Jewish. The major banks are largely Jewish. Pfizer (possible bioweapons) is Jewish. The major shareholders of Raytheon are the Big 3, which also dominates Wall Street.

Posted by: greg | Oct 9 2023 17:01 utc | 268

Arch Bungler is an ignorant malignant bomb-thrower nihilist.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:02 utc | 269

Arch Bungler is an ignorant malignant bomb-thrower nihilist.

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:02 utc | 270

Love how FOX news hosts have it all figured out, … now take a deep breath ‘The $6B that Biden gave to Iran, and weapons he left behind in Afghanistan, was used for this terrorist attack. Iran planned and ordered the attack’.
How much of this is true? I bet none of it but it is a great story and having a great story is all that matters. A story that Blames Biden’s so-called, appeasement policies.
Iran does give Hamas some general assistance but the planning and execution of the attack was all Hamas.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 9 2023 17:02 utc | 271

Love how FOX news hosts have it all figured out, … now take a deep breath ‘The $6B that Biden gave to Iran, and weapons he left behind in Afghanistan, was used for this terrorist attack. Iran planned and ordered the attack’.
How much of this is true? I bet none of it but it is a great story and having a great story is all that matters. A story that Blames Biden’s so-called, appeasement policies.
Iran does give Hamas some general assistance but the planning and execution of the attack was all Hamas.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 9 2023 17:02 utc | 272

Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 15:15 utc | 81

My bookmarked SCF link no longer functions

https://strategic-culture.su/ is the new URL (a US dominated domaine registry kicked SCF out of the.org club)
Nice to see you around again, Peter.

Posted by: robjira | Oct 9 2023 17:02 utc | 273

Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 15:15 utc | 81

My bookmarked SCF link no longer functions

https://strategic-culture.su/ is the new URL (a US dominated domaine registry kicked SCF out of the.org club)
Nice to see you around again, Peter.

Posted by: robjira | Oct 9 2023 17:02 utc | 274

highly mobile devices like that mutabbir appears to be, developed with the range…
The span of the legs at the base looks to be quite minimal. Apparently, there is less recoil effect than what would I would expect.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2023 17:02 utc | 275

highly mobile devices like that mutabbir appears to be, developed with the range…
The span of the legs at the base looks to be quite minimal. Apparently, there is less recoil effect than what would I would expect.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2023 17:02 utc | 276

In America, it’s the same people who are driving the Ukraine funding and supporting the palestinians.
Can’t anyone here play this game?!
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:00 utc | 132
you’re lying. Biden admin drives the funding and supports Israel. don’t pretend you dont know this.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2023 17:08 utc | 277

In America, it’s the same people who are driving the Ukraine funding and supporting the palestinians.
Can’t anyone here play this game?!
Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:00 utc | 132
you’re lying. Biden admin drives the funding and supports Israel. don’t pretend you dont know this.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2023 17:08 utc | 278

Not seeing a rise in the Great Persian Empire, while it is hobbled by an Arab Religion, albeit, a Hybrid. Bowing to Mecca makes Persians eunuchs.
Posted by: kupkee | Oct 9 2023 15:15 utc | 80
It is not about having “empire”; it is about cultural erasure. Iran’s current borders are fine.
I don’t consider Islam an “Arab religion”. We also don’t bow to Mecca, we bow to God Holy and Exalted in the direction of Mecca.
Persian civilization was enriched by Islam as it was enriched prior to that by the Hellenic period. Many of our cultural and spiritual world class gems are post Empire, as a matter of fact. So certainly quite vital and vigorous.
We do have a problem with a minority who have confused scholarship with “leadership” and “lordship”.
I refer here to the parasitical human known as ‘priest’ and priesthoods. These parasites require a ‘lumpen’ base that they inflame using exagerated and hypocritical appeals and excitation of genuine spiritual feelings of people. They are geopolitical actors not divines but they play the role of divines and the necessities of their powerbase requires a denial of freedom of thought and conscience (of those capable of independent reasoning) and promotion of the superstitions and backward traditions of the lumpen base.
We Persians, like the Egyptians and Jews, have always had a priesthood problem. Even before Islam we had Zoroastrian mullahs (Mobeb Mobedaan was the Ayatollah Uzma of his day, bitter lol here) and they managed to fuck up the Sassanian empire just like these Mullahs may ultimately, God forbid, bring destruction to Iran.

Posted by: robinthehood | Oct 9 2023 17:10 utc | 279

Not seeing a rise in the Great Persian Empire, while it is hobbled by an Arab Religion, albeit, a Hybrid. Bowing to Mecca makes Persians eunuchs.
Posted by: kupkee | Oct 9 2023 15:15 utc | 80
It is not about having “empire”; it is about cultural erasure. Iran’s current borders are fine.
I don’t consider Islam an “Arab religion”. We also don’t bow to Mecca, we bow to God Holy and Exalted in the direction of Mecca.
Persian civilization was enriched by Islam as it was enriched prior to that by the Hellenic period. Many of our cultural and spiritual world class gems are post Empire, as a matter of fact. So certainly quite vital and vigorous.
We do have a problem with a minority who have confused scholarship with “leadership” and “lordship”.
I refer here to the parasitical human known as ‘priest’ and priesthoods. These parasites require a ‘lumpen’ base that they inflame using exagerated and hypocritical appeals and excitation of genuine spiritual feelings of people. They are geopolitical actors not divines but they play the role of divines and the necessities of their powerbase requires a denial of freedom of thought and conscience (of those capable of independent reasoning) and promotion of the superstitions and backward traditions of the lumpen base.
We Persians, like the Egyptians and Jews, have always had a priesthood problem. Even before Islam we had Zoroastrian mullahs (Mobeb Mobedaan was the Ayatollah Uzma of his day, bitter lol here) and they managed to fuck up the Sassanian empire just like these Mullahs may ultimately, God forbid, bring destruction to Iran.

Posted by: robinthehood | Oct 9 2023 17:10 utc | 280

I just published the remarks made by Lavrov after his meeting with the head of the Arab League that was already planned to occur along with what updates I could find, “Lavrov Meets Secretary-General of the League of Arab States Ahmed Aboulgheit”.
As I point out, the world’s solution via the UN to the issue is the Two-State Solution, which both Russia and China today have said is the only way forward. IMO, they are correct but their correctness doesn’t mean they or the world’s being realistic as the Zionists will never ever agree to that as the covet all Palestine and much more as most well know. So, as with the only solution for Ukraine being able to have a peaceful existence is the elimination of its Nazis, the same logic applies to Palestine, where its Nazis/Zionists must be eliminated as a political force. The big mistake was made by Truman in 1948 and must now be undone.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 17:13 utc | 281

I just published the remarks made by Lavrov after his meeting with the head of the Arab League that was already planned to occur along with what updates I could find, “Lavrov Meets Secretary-General of the League of Arab States Ahmed Aboulgheit”.
As I point out, the world’s solution via the UN to the issue is the Two-State Solution, which both Russia and China today have said is the only way forward. IMO, they are correct but their correctness doesn’t mean they or the world’s being realistic as the Zionists will never ever agree to that as the covet all Palestine and much more as most well know. So, as with the only solution for Ukraine being able to have a peaceful existence is the elimination of its Nazis, the same logic applies to Palestine, where its Nazis/Zionists must be eliminated as a political force. The big mistake was made by Truman in 1948 and must now be undone.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 17:13 utc | 282

“You’re lying. Biden admin drives the funding and supports Israel”
Only because some minimum legacy support is required to survive politically. Fundamentally Obama/Biden hate Israel and side with Iran. You’re lying if you claim not to know that.
Again, you’re in bed with transgenderists, family haters and destroyers, mass-immigrationists, wokists, cancel culturists, luddites, climate crazies, etc.
You’re

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:14 utc | 283

“You’re lying. Biden admin drives the funding and supports Israel”
Only because some minimum legacy support is required to survive politically. Fundamentally Obama/Biden hate Israel and side with Iran. You’re lying if you claim not to know that.
Again, you’re in bed with transgenderists, family haters and destroyers, mass-immigrationists, wokists, cancel culturists, luddites, climate crazies, etc.
You’re

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:14 utc | 284

Zionists decided to kill all the Palestinians in the ghetto.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/54494
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/54505
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/54511
We haven’t heard anything about sanctions against Israel, oh yes, they are allowed to kill.

Posted by: Psycho | Oct 9 2023 17:16 utc | 285

Zionists decided to kill all the Palestinians in the ghetto.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/54494
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/54505
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/54511
We haven’t heard anything about sanctions against Israel, oh yes, they are allowed to kill.

Posted by: Psycho | Oct 9 2023 17:16 utc | 286

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 16:09 utc | 107
Good post.
If the West, with regard to the Ukraine/Russia conflict, were to adhere to what you state then the logical response would be to send their own troops. But we know why that isn’t going to happen. As you say, “it’s cowardice.”

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 9 2023 17:17 utc | 287

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 16:09 utc | 107
Good post.
If the West, with regard to the Ukraine/Russia conflict, were to adhere to what you state then the logical response would be to send their own troops. But we know why that isn’t going to happen. As you say, “it’s cowardice.”

Posted by: horseguards | Oct 9 2023 17:17 utc | 288

Fineas | Oct 9 2023 14:47 utc | 65
*** Christian groups find security in Israel ***
To get spat on and discriminated against?
Don’t forget that “jihadist” ISIS — funded and more by Israel — was intent on exterminating the Christians in Syria, till prevented from doing so by Hezbollah.
The same Hezbollah that the (also IS sponsoring) allegedly Christian USA and UK political establishment claim are ‘terrorist’ extremists.

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 9 2023 17:18 utc | 289

Fineas | Oct 9 2023 14:47 utc | 65
*** Christian groups find security in Israel ***
To get spat on and discriminated against?
Don’t forget that “jihadist” ISIS — funded and more by Israel — was intent on exterminating the Christians in Syria, till prevented from doing so by Hezbollah.
The same Hezbollah that the (also IS sponsoring) allegedly Christian USA and UK political establishment claim are ‘terrorist’ extremists.

Posted by: Cynic | Oct 9 2023 17:18 utc | 290

Israel, stops water, food, medicine and lays siege on the “barbarians”
in the Gaza Strip. And here I thought, was told, Putin is the evil one.
The ROW needs to step up and condemn Israel full stop for this is a war
crime.
Call me surprised that it took the CW, MSM so long before including Iran in this.
No matter the war/fight the template remains the same

Posted by: Ggersh | Oct 9 2023 17:23 utc | 291

Israel, stops water, food, medicine and lays siege on the “barbarians”
in the Gaza Strip. And here I thought, was told, Putin is the evil one.
The ROW needs to step up and condemn Israel full stop for this is a war
crime.
Call me surprised that it took the CW, MSM so long before including Iran in this.
No matter the war/fight the template remains the same

Posted by: Ggersh | Oct 9 2023 17:23 utc | 292

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:14 utc | 141
Israel is a useful tool to right wingers in the US of the uniparty. you lie like a dog and pretend to be a cat.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2023 17:24 utc | 293

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 17:14 utc | 141
Israel is a useful tool to right wingers in the US of the uniparty. you lie like a dog and pretend to be a cat.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2023 17:24 utc | 294

Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 9 2023 16:59 utc | 131
I have had Huawei for quite a few years now for that reason. Can’t find them in shops any more but easily available in Australia on ebay. I do assume though that any oz telecoms provider which phones operate through are monitored.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 17:25 utc | 295

Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 9 2023 16:59 utc | 131
I have had Huawei for quite a few years now for that reason. Can’t find them in shops any more but easily available in Australia on ebay. I do assume though that any oz telecoms provider which phones operate through are monitored.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 17:25 utc | 296

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 101
You aren’t “normal”, you’re a zionazi pig, just like many Americans who been propagandized. We get it, you think you’re the good guys and those crazy Iranians are muzzie scum, this is ALWAYS the last call of the conservative, you’re inherently good and they’re bad. You’re not convincing anyone, besides I thought you couldn’t stand hanging out with us? We’re a bunch of “nazi” scum because we stand with the Palestinians in their fight against zio terrorists occupiers like you? That’s what you said yesterday and yet here you still are trying to convince us of your “cause”. What happened?

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 9 2023 17:27 utc | 297

Posted by: Depewty Dawg | Oct 9 2023 16:01 utc | 101
You aren’t “normal”, you’re a zionazi pig, just like many Americans who been propagandized. We get it, you think you’re the good guys and those crazy Iranians are muzzie scum, this is ALWAYS the last call of the conservative, you’re inherently good and they’re bad. You’re not convincing anyone, besides I thought you couldn’t stand hanging out with us? We’re a bunch of “nazi” scum because we stand with the Palestinians in their fight against zio terrorists occupiers like you? That’s what you said yesterday and yet here you still are trying to convince us of your “cause”. What happened?

Posted by: SWISS | Oct 9 2023 17:27 utc | 298

LOL if Biden “sided with Iran” he would have re entered the treaty with Iran. Russia, which you claim to support (just another of your lies) sides with Iran.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2023 17:27 utc | 299

LOL if Biden “sided with Iran” he would have re entered the treaty with Iran. Russia, which you claim to support (just another of your lies) sides with Iran.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2023 17:27 utc | 300