WSJ Joins Neocons To Instigate War On Iran
Updated below.
The neo-conservatives want to blame Iran for the current war in Palestine/Gaza.
They have for years tried to instigate war against it. Now they again see a chance. But its not a big one - yet.
Yossi Melman is a very well connected Israeli author:
Yossi Melman @yossi_melman - 5:33 UTC · Oct 9, 2023IDF spokeperson Brig-General Danny Hagari said that there is no indication of an Iranian involvement in the war in Gaza.
Biden administration scrambles to deter wider Mideast conflict - Washington Post - Oct 8 2023
Asked whether Hamas may have acted in partnership with Iran to disrupt the effort to broker a Saudi deal, Blinken said “that could have been part of the motivation. Look, who opposes normalization? Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran.”But, he said, “we have not yet seen evidence that Iran directed or was behind this particular attack.”
Fear not, say the neocons, we still have the Wall Street Journal to carry water for us:
Iran Helped Plot Attack on Israel Over Several Weeks (archived) - Wall Street Journal - Oct 8 2023
DUBAI—Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.
Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.
WSJ authors in Dubai(!) have access to "senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah"?
Both groups are notorious for their secrecy and their senior leadership is usually hidden away. Those facts alone are enough to debunk the report as nonsense. But the WSJ authors continue:
“We don’t have any information at this time to corroborate this account,” said a U.S. official of the meetings.A European official and an adviser to the Syrian government, however, gave the same account of Iran’s involvement in the lead-up to the attack as the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members.
Asked about the meetings, Mahmoud Mirdawi, a senior Hamas official, said the group planned the attacks on its own. “This is a Palestinian and Hamas decision,” he said.
A spokesman for Iran’s mission to the United Nations said the Islamic Republic stood in support of Gaza’s actions but didn’t direct them.
“The decisions made by the Palestinian resistance are fiercely autonomous and unwaveringly aligned with the legitimate interests of the Palestinian people,” the spokesman said. “We are not involved in Palestine’s response, as it is taken solely by Palestine itself.”
Three direct rejections by official sources of the WSJ claims get countered with an anonymous 'European official' and a likewise anonymous 'adviser to the Syrian government'.
It is like the authors don't even try to sound believable:
A direct Iranian role would take Tehran’s long-running conflict with Israel out of the shadows, raising the risk of broader conflict in the Middle East. Senior Israeli security officials have pledged to strike at Iran’s leadership if Tehran is found responsible for killing Israelis.The IRGC’s broader plan is to create a multi-front threat that can strangle Israel from all sides—Hezbollah and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in the north and Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas in Gaza and the West Bank, according to the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members and an Iranian official.
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Israel has blamed Iran, saying it is behind the attacks, if indirectly. “We know that there were meetings in Syria and in Lebanon with other leaders of the terror armies that surround Israel so obviously it’s easy to understand that they tried to coordinate. The proxies of Iran in our region, they tried to be coordinated as much as possible with Iran,” Israel’s ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, said Sunday.
There is however little evidence for the Israeli assertion:
Leading the effort to wrangle Iran’s foreign proxies under a unified command has been Ismail Qaani, the leader of the IRGC’s international military arm, the Quds Force.Qaani launched coordination among several militias surrounding Israel in April during a meeting in Lebanon, The Wall Street Journal has reported, where Hamas began working more closely with other groups such as Hezbollah for the first time.
Hamas and Hezbollah have cooperated for decades. During the war on Syria some Hamas members took the side of the 'moderate rebels'. They taught them how to dig large tunnels, a technique they themselves had once learned from Hizbullah:
Abu Musaab, a leader in Ahrar al-Sham, told the pro-uprising satellite television station Orient News that the Syrian militant group received tutorial videos from Gazans showing them how to repair collapsing tunnels."The ground here became damp and began to fall on us…and some of our youth were trapped inside. So we spoke to those with expertise, our brothers in Gaza, may God reward their good deeds," Abu Musaab was quoted as saying.
"We consulted them regarding the problem and they advised us to bring in wood (plates), sending us video segment showing us how they do it and we replicated that," Abu Musaab added.
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And in June 2013, the pro-Hezbollah al-Akhbar newspaper reported that "sources close to Hezbollah and the Syrian regime claim that Hamas had a role to play in the battles of Qusayr, [where tunnels] … had been dug using small Iranian devices that Hezbollah had transferred to Hamas.""Some of the explosives, they added, were found to contain electronic chips that Hamas had acquired from Iran and Hezbollah," the Lebanese paper said.
After the war in Syria was decided in the governments favor, Hamas slowly found its way back into the resistance camp. Consultations between Hezbullah and Hamas have been constant since. Back to the WSJ:
Representatives of these groups have met with Quds Force leaders at least biweekly in Lebanon since August to discuss this weekend’s attack on Israel and what happens next, they said. Qaani has attended some of those meetings along with Hezbollah’s leader Hassan Nasrallah, Islamic Jihad leader al-Nakhalah, and Saleh al-Arouri, Hamas’s military chief, the militant-group members said.Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian attended at least two of the meetings, they said.
This, however, is clearly no believable. Amir-Abdollahian is a professional diplomat, not a security official. While he has been deeply involved in political issues regarding Palestine he is unlikely to have been involved in any top-secret operational planning.
Also biweekly meetings between Qaani, Nasrallah and other high ranking resistance leaders are unlikely to have ever happened. Each such meeting would be a security nightmare.
The planning for the recent Hamas operation must have taken years not just the few month since August. While the WSJ lets it seem that there is operational coordination between the various resistance groups their real cooperation is on a way more strategic level.
Each group in the resistance axis has its own plans and goals. That does not exclude strategic cooperation, but not on the detail level of fighting:
Egypt, which is trying to mediate in the conflict, has warned Israeli officials that a ground invasion into Gaza would trigger a military response from Hezbollah, opening up a second battlefront, people familiar with the matter said. Israel and Hezbollah exchanged fire briefly on Sunday.
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The Iranian official said that if Iran were attacked, it would respond with missile strikes on Israel from Lebanon, Yemen and Iran, and send Iranian fighters into Israel from Syria to attack cities in the north and east of Israel.
While there is no denying that Iran, Hezbullah, Hamas and others consult with each other on a high level, any deeper cooperation, training or assistance is unlikely to still exist. It is each on their own, but with a common big goal in mind.
Update - 14:40 UTC
Of interest:
Andrew MacGregor Marshall @zenjournalist - 11:54 UTC · Oct 9, 2023The main reporter on this story, @summer_said, has a history of dishonesty and inventing stories. I fired her from Reuters in 2008 for this reason. I’m surprised that the @WSJ has hired her and is publishing her stories that are clearly bogus.
Posted by b on October 9, 2023 at 11:20 UTC | Permalink
next page »The WSJ article reminds me of Sulome Anderson, a notoriously anti-Hezbollah journalist who blamed Hezbollah for kidnapping and murdering her Dad, claiming she had Hezbollah sources in Lebanon that showed her a photo of them downing an Israeli F-16.
Posted by: Firestarter | Oct 9 2023 11:26 utc | 2
there are never enough wars for the neocons, still pushing their disastrous PNAC plan.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 9 2023 11:28 utc | 3
Just looked at the number for last two posts on MOA.
Hamas vs. Israel (706 comments)
Ukraine vs. Russia (83 comments)
Looks like the next deflection has been found.
Posted by: RiNS | Oct 9 2023 11:32 utc | 4
There is a long tradition of American journalists going to Lebanon and having drinks with senior Hezbollah officials. Sometimes the journalists provide the conmen with free drinks and sometimes the senior sources are entirely fiction.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 9 2023 11:37 utc | 5
The Iranians lived in Iran, Syrians in Syria, Jordanians in Jordan, Iraqis in Iraq, Afghans in Afghanistan...but the Jew lived in Europe, and the Europeans found them a problem, so was the pogroms in Ukraine, the WW2 and so on. This is a European problem. Europe should take the Jews back.
Posted by: ostro | Oct 9 2023 11:42 utc | 6
And with what and whom do they expect to conduct that war? Are they going to lead the charge? Perhaps they can send Bibi. Or Perhaps they just want to deflect blame from themselves. In any case it will be a debacle, once more, plus lots more dead Israelis and Arabs.
Posted by: RiNS | Oct 9 2023 11:32 utc | 4 -- makes an excellent point.
We can infer then that the search for scapegoats has begun.
Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 9 2023 11:42 utc | 7
My God, do they ever get tired of war porn and mental masturbation? Does any of them reason that 33 trillion in debt plus maybe $200 a barrel Middle East oil might bring their rotten empire to an abrupt end?
And "intelligence"? There's an oxymoron all in one word. More like narrative loyalty. Some Israelis are yelling about conspiracies because they refuse to believe Mossad could be collectively stupid. Really? Anybody remember Sadat fooling them and invading the Sinai?
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 9 2023 11:56 utc | 8
Well, the neocons are putting feelers out there to drum up another war on behalf of Israel, and frankly, I’d be surprised it outside their DC construct they find any.
It’s the “double message” we find everywhere of late.
Why? Because we’re in national collapse and it’s every man for themselves.
“Annihilate Gaza”…”Bomb Iran”… yeah sure, go ahead.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 11:59 utc | 9
If they want a war against Iran so badly may they have it by all means.
Anything that collapses The Empire is fine by me.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 12:01 utc | 10
33 trillion is the amount they visibly stolen from humanity not to mention the deprecating dollar over time.
Posted by: phenon | Oct 9 2023 12:02 utc | 11
If anything were to happen to the legacy naval assets being sent, will we be sure whodunnit?
Posted by: natokraine | Oct 9 2023 12:06 utc | 12
RE: RiNS | Oct 9 2023 11:32 utc | 4
I saw and thought about that too. The truth is, the “causes” are not much different. A population fed up with being under the yoke of a maniacal governance bent on their annihilation.
I don’t even really think it was intentional distraction or redirection, it doesn’t help the on the ground facts that Ukraine war is lost, it hides or back pages the 100 billion they’ll allocate for Ukraine, but it also raises the temperature for another war that the American populace will reject.
The timing couldn’t be better for the ME. I hope they actually follow through and put this thing to rest once and for all. The US couldn’t be weaker, they should pounce on it.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 12:07 utc | 13
If Israel and the USA attack Iran, Russia will come to Iran’s defence.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 9 2023 12:09 utc | 14
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 9 2023 11:56 utc | 8
>My God, do they ever get tired of war porn and mental masturbation? Does any of them reason that 33 trillion in debt plus maybe $200 a barrel Middle East oil might bring their rotten empire to an abrupt end?
To continue with the line of thought in my comment at the end of the previous thread, "they" are individuals embedded in a larger organization, and that organization acts as if it had a will of its own to survive,c though in fact that apparent organizational will just an emergent phenomenon produced by individuals all rubbing the same way. Namely, everyone in the organization knows that if the organization disappears, their individual position disappears, and they become nobodies. Anyone who speaks out publicly or privately about doing anything that might shrink the organization is a personal threat to them and their job, and so everyone immediately attacks such non-conformist peace mongers. As senior government workers, they'll won't starve if they become nobodies, but you don't rise to a senior government position if all you care about is not starving. Ambitious people don't like being reduced to nobodies waiting around to collect their pension. So if Ukraine needs to be shut down, then everyone in the organization understands intuitively that something else has to take its place to keep the organization relevant and busy. Onwards to Iran and then China!
Posted by: Revelo | Oct 9 2023 12:11 utc | 15
rubbing = thinking, the things that spell checker comes up with...
Posted by: Revelo | Oct 9 2023 12:12 utc | 16
It seems to be a waste of time debating whether or not a particular country or group supports another financially or militarily. The arrogant Americans support people all over the world for their own nefarious purposes. This is called foreign interference, the very thing the US accuses the Russians or Chinese or Iranians of doing.
So what if North Korea is providing missiles to Russia?
So what if Iran is supporting its Muslim brothers in Palestine?
This is also called realpolitik. Our engaging in the debate tends to distract attention away from the original offence(s) committed on an almost daily basis by the state of Israel.
Posted by: echelon | Oct 9 2023 12:14 utc | 17
It is the Byzantantification of America. All the money comes from the printing press. What a change from before.
Posted by: phenon | Oct 9 2023 12:17 utc | 18
Ever since the Bancroft Family sold the WSJ, it’s become a dirty rag.
Posted by: Exile | Oct 9 2023 12:18 utc | 19
Europeans hands are tied behind their back; they are held hostage by their massive Muslim immigrant populations.
Given their incompetence, arrogance, and stupidity, it is almost guaranteed that European politicians will say or do something stupid and have riots on their hands.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 9 2023 12:19 utc | 20
If Israel and the USA attack Iran, Russia will come to Iran’s defence.Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 9 2023 12:09 utc | 14
Iran can defend itself. If NATO couldn’t beat tiny Serbia in 1999, why does anyone think Iran can be beaten ? I
Posted by: Exile | Oct 9 2023 12:21 utc | 21
The New York Times will not be outdone by the WSJ.
Get ready for more and better Iran hysteria.
Delivered with uptown sophistication, of course.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2023 12:23 utc | 22
Posted by: Eighthman | Oct 9 2023 11:56 utc | 8
>My God, do they ever get tired of war porn and mental masturbation? Does any of them reason that 33 trillion in debt plus maybe $200 a barrel Middle East oil might bring their rotten empire to an abrupt end?
At least in the germinal stage, internet traffic and internet industry got their volume from traditional porn, so no wonder that this genre diversified. Some theorize that mental and actual masturbation can be combined for a great effect, and some pics like sexy Ukrainians in Israeli uniforms singing Chervona Kalyna (I am lazy to check if this song has words "batko nash Bandera" = our leader/father Bandera, but surely a Banderite favorite), but probably war porn and actual porn are used sequentially rather than in parallel. But in both cases, I would not count on exhaustion/saturation.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 12:25 utc | 23
Current talking point: Biden gave money to Iran as part of hostage deal, Iran helped fund Hamas attack, therefore Biden is responsible!
Just ask JD Vance, Lauren Bobert or MTG.
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Oct 9 2023 12:25 utc | 24
b mentions the difference between a professional diplomat and a security official, with regards to the knowledge of military plans. On that note, Canada’s ambassador to the UN, Bob Rae, is certain Iran is behind everything:
“That's very clear to me," Bob Rae told CTV's Question Period host Vassy Kapelos in an interview airing Sunday. "And I think it's something we have to understand, none of this stuff is accidental and Iran, of all the countries in the Middle East, does not accept the existence of the State of Israel."
Trudeau was on the phone yesterday (Canadian Thanksgiving Sunday, it’s tradition) He spoke with Netanyahu, UAE’s Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed, and Jordan’s King Abdullah. There are readouts from these calls, not sure if they are any more useful than Rae’s opinions.
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 9 2023 12:30 utc | 25
RE: CitizenSmith | Oct 9 2023 12:09 utc | 14
The truth is, Russia won’t even need to, Syria, Lebanon and even Egypt would possibly enter the fray, on top of that, they have all their Afghanistan new friends sitting right there on their border ready to be foot soldiers once again.
Ocean wise, ships and such, incredibly vulnerable in Gulf & Mediterranean.
Honestly, outside of Russia providing some AD systems & arms.. doubt they would actually have to do anything other than defend Syria & their own base there.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 12:31 utc | 26
Ah as usual ,b’s synchronicity means my
comment
is left at the fag end of the previous thread.
Ho Hum. Never mind. Having read through some of the previous thread - can’t do it all - I am most intrigued about this so called music fest that was attacked. It seems that a link goes to a hardcore Zionist publisher carrying a eye witness account , some Japanese, some Brazilian
Curious how they are the countries which have been supplying ‘mercenaries’ to the killing fields of Ukraine.
I wonder how many will be given full bios and actual travel histories in their obits.
It seems like a god given opportunity to launder the dead foreigners who weren’t killed in some ukrop facilities safe from - ahem - missiles.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 9 2023 12:31 utc | 27
Noam A Larky @ 25
NO the US gave back 8 billion That was Irans own money. Wrongfully held.
Under sanctions.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 9 2023 12:34 utc | 28
I can now see Plan B for Ukraine emerging - a neutral buffer State on the western bank of the Dnepr river with its capital in Odessa named New Israel . Bibi is a neocon with his ancestral roots in the Galacian region like Kagan et al.
Mossad and Shin Bet are the best intell agencies in the world behind the establishment of Hamas as controlled opposition to weaken the PLO. Bibi has very little time left as PM of Israel to secure his legacy via his announced '' new Pearl Harbor'' ie false flag to either finish Gaza off or escalate into war with Iran. Israel could become uninhabitable if Iran & Hezbollah launches a majority of their conventional missiles at Israel.
Now that Saudis are in BRICS+with Iran the Abraham accords wont be extended to Saudis while Iran is via Shanghai Co-operation Organisation in a defacto military alliance with Russia and China so unbeatable if there will never be an Israeli leader who can make peace with Iran. Biblical prophecy believed by rabbis predicts the destruction of Israel so New Israel can be heartland of new world order around Odessa.
Posted by: Gatt | Oct 9 2023 12:36 utc | 29
I doubt that anyone will attack Iran directly in the near term. After Soleimani was murdered by the Yankees, Iran responded by launching several pinpoint missile strikes on a US military base.
As for NATO, the day NATO starts hostilities with ANYTHING which can shoot back will be a BIG departure from its wimpy S.O.P.
Iran also has an over-the-horizon early warning system called KOLCHUGA, or similar, so anyone planning a surprise attack on Iran is "in for a big surprise" (as mentioned in the Teddy Bears Picnic).
Iran has been preparing for a major conflict ever since the Shah was booted out.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Oct 9 2023 12:52 utc | 30
In Berlin, Germany, baclava sweets were handed out in celebration. There are videos from refugee shelters in Germany where men dance and enthusiastically celebrate. [1]
The Central Council of Jews has called for consequences. "Anyone who cheers the killing by Hamas on German streets and distributes sweets on this occasion must be examined to see what consequences will be drawn by the rule of law," the association said Monday. The Muslim associations in Germany had "unfortunately failed to take a clear position on this and on the war in Israel."[2]
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 9 2023 12:52 utc | 31
Sky news reporterbot short-circuits live on t.v when given a logical answer by Nour Odeh:
https://youtu.be/BuTuXHrcWOY?si=NCekJzscDX9Sqvrr
Unbelievable ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 12:53 utc | 32
Get ready for more and better Iran hysteria.
Delivered with uptown sophistication, of course.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 9 2023 12:23 utc | 23
It is sad what passes for sophistication these days. Yup, there are credential and titles, very brief search lead me to this
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Putin Is Fighting, and Losing, His Last War
May 9, 2023, New York Times
By Timothy Snyder
Dr. Snyder is a professor of history at Yale University and the author of many books on fascism, totalitarianism and European history.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/opinion/russia-war-ukraine-nuclear.html
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Yale is an elite university, although its history program is not exactly top, although anti-communism and derivatives are surely supported there by many programs producing articles, books and lighter articles in "popular venues" like NYT. For sure, this articles lacks footnotes, so-called scientific apparatus. Consider this graph:
"But the cost of delay [in weapon supplies] can be observed in the Ukrainian territories that Russia still controls: the death pits, the torture chambers and the empty homes of kidnapped children. Tens of thousands of soldiers on both sides have unnecessarily died."
Footnotes supporting the claims on (a) death pits (b) torture chambers (c) empty homes of kidnapped children are not necessary in popular genre. Anyway, main topics are the lamentable cost of delays in weapon supplies, and the aftermath of the abject Russian defeat: Snyder optimistically predicts that fatally wounded Russia will not resort to nukes, an empty threat (even though coming in an "unending steam". I like this particularly wanking sentence:
"Russia can lose without being cornered. It has 11 time zones of space for retreating soldiers and plenty of practice in propaganda refashionings." Decades of studies informed the professor how many time zones does Russia have.
BTW, the current debacle in Israel is related to the sub-genre of Snyder article: "invincibility studies". We in the West became invincible, and it is strategic and moral failure that we do not use it fully. Because the former is a given, we can focus our attention on the latter, and in the context of the day, find the fortitude to turn Gaza into a parking lot. Predictably, this mode of thinking reduces vigilance, explaining how IDF was LITERALLY (and otherwise) caught asleep.
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 12:53 utc | 33
Can Hamas hold ground?
When Syrian "moderate rebels" stormed Aleppo, the Syrian Arab Army declared that they would clear Aleppo in 24 hours. It took them 5 years and the help of the Russian army. It is now over ten years and Syria still has not retaken Idlib.
When Hamas started their incursion into Israel, I thought the IDF would restore control in 24 hours. The opposite happened. On October 8th, the second day of the attack, Hamas expanded their area of operations.
Hamas has learnt a lot from the Syrian civil war. I see them using similar tactics. If they can drill into built-up areas, it will be very difficult to dislodge them. But how long can they hold ground in southern Israel?
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 9 2023 12:57 utc | 34
So lessee here. The US (with our vassals) are bleed ourselves white providing weapons to our cannon fodder suckers in the rump of the Ukraine. We are now going to send the big bux to our masters in Israel so that they can continue to kill actually innocent civilians that they are committing war crimes against and have been committing war crimes against since at least 1967. Israel is about to ignite yet another major war in the Middle East. This time it's not going to be so easy for Israel – remember, if you teach an animal or a person a lesson in meanness, don't be surprised if they learn it. Oh, that's right! We still have to attack China!
When, precisely, will we run out of money?
Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Oct 9 2023 13:01 utc | 35
RE: : Bruised Northerner | Oct 9 2023 12:30 utc | 26
What do the read outs say? Also, for 70 years Iran has not recognized Israel, what’s their point?
Honestly, it doesn’t matter how the spin masters spin this.
Americans for decades have heard the Iran mantra. It’s as though they believe this is some “new material” to present to make their case.
I’ve no idea their PR point, there isn’t anyone who knows that the DC construct will do whatever it pleases, Americans on board or not. They’ll generate phony polls, get rent a mobs out in the street chanting “Bomb Iran”…
It’s pathetic.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 13:01 utc | 36
A thousand Palestinian farmers collapsed the Israeli IDF
Yuri Podolyaka, journalist:
▪️The world has changed a lot over the weekend. Western countries were convinced that this would not affect them. I also consider Israel to be Western. European military experts are shocked: they did not know that one of the best armies in the world, as the Israeli IDF was imagined, would be destroyed by a thousand Palestinian farmer soldiers.
▪️Europeans are trying to understand what could happen to them if the IDF’s reputation is now torn to shreds. Let's look at acts in support of Palestine on the streets of European cities. What will happen in Europe if someone wants to do something similar? And is it worth sending the remaining weapons to Ukraine?
▪️Reassessment of the capabilities of modern defense will now occur throughout the world. But the shock has not yet passed.
How did it happen that a thousand people armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles, without body armor, and using light equipment were able to create big problems for the army with heavy weapons and military units?
Posted by: ostro | Oct 9 2023 13:05 utc | 37
RE: Jeff Harrison | Oct 9 2023 13:01 utc | 36
Well, just like Ukraine, “bucks” won’t change the on the ground realities.
Yes, US desperately needs to print more money, lots and lots to prevent liquidity freeze, however, skyrocketing oil prices will create massive inflation and quicken collapse.
So, maybe that is the point in this latest exercise.
“Look what Russia and Iran did to you”…
Fed Reserve at it’s finest.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 13:11 utc | 38
Hamas has performed well beyond anyone’s expectations, that much is certain. Still, I imagine the armed forces of Occupied Palestine will eventually get the upper hand this time around unless at least some of the following occur:
1. Hezbollah stops pussyfooting around and enters the conflict in a big way.
2. The people of the West Bank rise up, preferably disposing of the PA in the process.
3. Active support enters from outside Occupied Palestine. This would be difficult to pull off in quantity, however, as most Muslim states are controlled by usually brutal collaborationist regimes that receive US military aid to keep their populations under the boot. I wouldn’t mind seeing the crowned heads of the Muslim world on pikes (the crowned head of Malaysia excepted), and yes, let’s throw in al-Sisi too, but that’s admittedly a bit much to hope for.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 9 2023 13:11 utc | 39
I'm pleased that you revisited the tunnels, b. Since the children started the 404 secondary market rumor yesterday, I've been idly wracking my brain to date the closure, theoretically, of the Egypt-Gaza underground railroad. Early '90s was it? I can only recall vaguely associating MSM triumph with Mubarak's regime, which is no help. He had quite a run sucking up to USA.
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 9 2023 13:14 utc | 40
Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 9 2023 12:53 utc | 34
Dr. Snyder is someone very concerned about identifying fascism in the US and Russia, turning over every rock, while he ignores the fascism that has been on full display in Ukraine for years. He's a real hero of the Democrats.
Posted by: Mike R | Oct 9 2023 13:15 utc | 41
This is another desperate attempt by the neocons to distract attention from the by now clearly lost war in Ukranazistan.
The Ukranazis know this too. They're frantic. Expect literally any kind of false flag by them now.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 9 2023 13:19 utc | 42
Israel trying to downplay Iran connection with Hezbollah, might be due to Israel being actually in a pretty weak position and therefore trying to do everything not to provoke Hezbollah. They could be in big trouble. There is a decent risk they will end up in a Stalingrad style warfare in Gaza, which could be catastrophic for IDF. Obviously, they will kill huge amount of civilians.
Meanwhile, US/Biden seems to be doing anything they can to provoke Hezbollah. Whether this is by design or due to diplomatic incompetence and illiteracy is unclear. Currently there seems to be going some clashes on the border and a power plant in Ashkelon was struck with something.
Israel army has low level of artillery if they get into conflict in the north.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 13:25 utc | 43
@Noam Larkey 25:
Yes, all those who didn't want to send money to Ukranazistan will now fall over themselves demanding to send money to zionistan.
Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 9 2023 13:35 utc | 44
Iran can defend itself. If NATO couldn’t beat tiny Serbia in 1999, why does anyone think Iran can be beaten ? I
Posted by: Exile | Oct 9 2023 12:21 utc | 22
Serbia won that war? Is that why they lost their historic homeland in Kosovo? Winning?
I am an Iranian "exile". Iran has been caught between the two contending European Imperial ambitions -- the famous Great Game between the "Anglo-Saxsons" and Russia that continues to this day (though the Russian side keeps falling appart every 80 years) -- and one of the unique characteristics of Iran in context of European Imperialism was that neither the "Anglo-Saxons" nor the Russia empires ever wanted to occupy or colonize Iran.
For 'some reason' (geo-historic) neither the Russians nor the Anglos want a resurgent Persianate cultural zone (covering the civilizational-cultural-lingual "Greater Iran" that includes Tajikistan).
Meaning, that as far as the European nations with long standing ambition and propensity for empires -- this is the Anglos+French and Russians in the main -- a destroyed Iran is not a "loss". They just want that critical geopolitical area destroyed.
An actual Revolutionary Iran would not be standing up only against Anglo-Saxons. It would also confront and rollback the Russification (changed scripts anyone?) of Historic Iranian lands.
IR occupying Iran and our KGB (student days) asset "leader" also do not care if heritage of Iran is destroyed. They are adamant and open that their "nation" is "Nation of Hussein" and not Iran.
In conclusion, if you think "Serbia winning" is what is awaiting the long suffering Iranian people, then permit me to wish the same for you and yours!
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@b: re security nightmare of biweekly meeting.
That part definitely raised eyebrows. Your objection re FM of IR occupying Iran is wrong imo. First of all, everyone in MoA needs to understand that IR occupying Iran is a CLAN BASED POLITICAL REGIME. These fuckers are all inbred cousins and brothers. That is why they look more like Lebanese Shia than IRANIANS. They look different from our native Iranian thinking and political classes. They far more resembel their cousins in Levant. (The FM wrote a book about anscestral homelands "Shem" -- look it up).
FM was there to address, gauage, and coordinate the (obvious) geopolitical aspects from a non-violent ("diplomatic") front.
Posted by: robinthehood | Oct 9 2023 13:46 utc | 45
RE: malenkov | Oct 9 2023 13:11 utc | 40
unimperator | Oct 9 2023 13:25 utc | 44
Hezbollah thoughts.
Until the “West Bank” Palestinians actually start doing more than a “work strike” and “some protests”, actually see there own freedoms and realization of an independent Nation State, instead of acting like brain washed “tame prisoners” and really gain some attention & thwart Israeli mechanisms in the West Bank, there’s no sense in Hezbollah running headfirst in there.
There’s no point in freeing a people that aren’t willing to make sacrifices themselves for their own freedoms.
Gaza certainly is, but West Bank is lukewarm at best, so until West Bank starts finding ways to cut off Israeli electricity or breaking out of their own “check point” areas, there’s no reason for Hezbollah to enter.
Gaza needs outside help for sure, but they’re not even getting fully engaged help from their own Palestinians within Israel. And yes, we’ll aware of puppet Abbas, but so are the Palestinians. A choice has to be made by them and them alone.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 13:47 utc | 46
IMHO, don't think Israel will actually invade Gaza as urban warfare would lead to unacceptable casualties for them. They will bomb it and use artillery strikes and eventually declare victory. I also believe that Israel doesn't want a war with Iran as Iran has more than enough missiles to overwhelm Israeli air defense systems. A war with Iran would also crush Israel's economy as well as make the price of oil soar. Not to mention it would be a three front war- northern Israel, southern Israel and the Golan Heights.
Posted by: ctiger | Oct 9 2023 13:51 utc | 47
When selected gore footage from a conflict appears in German MSM, there must be certain underlying objectives. Now it seems to be a kind of "barbarity of Muslim Palestinians" (I personally also condemn every crime against civilian life no matter who is responsible), but this kind of habitual framing of conflict reading is the far greater barbarity in our time:
No electricity, no water, no fuel: Israel wants to bring the Gaza Strip's supply to a complete standstill (...)"There will be no electricity, no food and no fuel." We are dealing with barbarians and will act accordingly. Energy Minister Israel Katz also ordered Israel to stop supplying water to the Gaza Strip.
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2023-10/gazastreifen-blockade-israel-hamas-angriff
These measures (war crimes against the entire civilian population in Gaza) are not questioned at all in this information article.
And the EU? Oliver Varhelyi on Twitter
The scale of terror and brutality against #Israel and its people is a turning point.
There can be no business as usual.
As the biggest donor of the Palestinians, the European Commission is putting its full development portfolio under review, worth a total of EUR 691mThe foundations for peace, tolerance and co-existence must now be addressed.
Incitement to hatred, violence and glorification of terror have poisoned the minds of too many.
We need action and we need it now.
"Zeitwende" in Ukraine, "Turning Point" in Palestine...you don't even have to make an effort in narratives to control the lambs on the home front.
Posted by: Konrad | Oct 9 2023 13:54 utc | 48
I am shocked that the level of support from the Arab nations is pretty much resumed to just condemning the attacks and go back to brunch. Shows that the Arab Nations again care only about their own while the West and Israel play the divide and conquer card to perfection.
Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 9 2023 13:54 utc | 49
Who opposes Blinken's concept of normalisation? The whole world, including the United Nations.
Posted by: Giyane | Oct 9 2023 13:55 utc | 50
another comment down the hole? oh well.
just saw a pale ginger in tel aviv (how "semitic"!) mention people flying into germany from israel for safety. you need a machete to cut through that irony.
Posted by: la pair | Oct 9 2023 13:57 utc | 51
@ Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 13:47 utc | 48
I think we’re in substantial agreement. West Bank Palestinians need to eliminate the PA, with extreme prejudice if necessary.
Posted by: malenkov | Oct 9 2023 13:59 utc | 52
NO the US gave back 8 billion That was Irans own money. Wrongfully held.
Under sanctions.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 9 2023 12:34 utc | 29
True, but why ruin a good narrative with facts and reason?
Posted by: farm ecologist | Oct 9 2023 13:59 utc | 53
Out of interest, what is the difference between the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in 1944 and this uprising in Gaza? Seems both happened under similar circumstances, the other side trying to annihilate the ghetto population.
By the same logic, supporting attack on Gaza is equivalent to supporting the crushing of the Warsaw uprising.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 13:59 utc | 54
@51
Don't blame the Arabs for the leader imposed n them by the enemies.
"......The Palestinians are the world's stepchildren. Every half-a-century or so, a different people were sent to Palestine by the new conquerors. They merged with the existing residents. The result is that the Palestinians aren't really a part of any other group. They definitely aren't accepted as being Arabic. They aren't Iranian, or a part of any other ethnicity. ..." barstool
You are inventing history again. this is the opposite of the truth- the population of modern Palestine, with one glaring exception, has been relatively stable over four millennia.Your 'history' is Zionist disinformation.
Posted by: bevin | Oct 9 2023 14:03 utc | 55
Well the Hopium still exists. The IDF has already cleared hamas from Israel and is currently in Gaza. They will be there for some time. Videos from Gaza already out.
Meanwhile the 2nd front has opened on the Lebanon border.
Rinse and repeat continues for the 15th time.
Much to do so fire away at the messenger.
Posted by: Inkant1970 | Oct 9 2023 14:04 utc | 56
speaking of tunnels and "lethal aid" secondary marketing...
This morning RT (Caleb M. segment) reports: IDF displayed weapons captured from Hamas. They are US stock inventory. Now, ask yourself: SELF, if I were a Hamas show runner, who would I be biding time with with? Ukrainian scheisters or the OIC favor bank? bwahahahahaha
Time's up! Stick a fork in that 40-year-old myth of Arab League partnership to "sell-out" Palestine and "normalize" relations with Israel. The 75-year-old 2-State solution is not dead, not even mostly dead.
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 9 2023 14:08 utc | 57
RE: barstool | Oct 9 2023 13:43 utc | 46
Instead of all those complicated Palestinian relocation schemes, which have already transpired decade after decade in Palestine, how about Israel become a multinational, multi ethnic, secular nation state that is a respecter of all nationalities & faiths, equal under the law, as Russia is now, and then nobody has to move.
That sounds like a less complicated plan than yours. Israel is afraid of becoming actually democratic. They are afraid their power will be voted out of office. As clearly demonstrated recently. They are not about to have an actual democratic national statehood.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 14:09 utc | 58
RE: malenkov | Oct 9 2023 13:59 utc | 54
Agreed. On an international lens, without West Bank noise and sacrificing, it just looks like (aside from PR statements),
It would have the appearance of “rescuing” a “radical, militant, terror group”.
I’ve said from the gate that I believe this to be a planned, organized & collaborative sell out to bring on a 2 State Solution that involves Israel gaining Gaza, and the West Bank settlements stopping, even some relocating to Gaza and rebuild.
I’ve said the wild card for me was Hezbollah. If they enter in a very serious way, or I see land forces coming in from Egypt (Bedouins) to assist in the invasion of Gaza by Israel, then I’ll reconsider what appears to me as a “show”.
But atm.. it all looks pretty agreed on.
Hamas gets to be the matyrs going to heaven ushering in a Palestinian State, certainly no Arabs will.
I hope I’m wrong. I hope it’s an entire ME siege to release themselves from UK/US/EU grip and for a better future.
But, I’ve no evidence of that atm.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 14:29 utc | 59
wsj coverage of Ukraine has been atrocious from the get go. They are still hoping for a Ukie breakthrough to Crimea.
I am not surprised at their new and recent creations in the Middle East.
NYT and WaPo have shown a higher sense of responsibility, I think because of their attachment to DoS and CIA, respectively.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 9 2023 14:30 utc | 60
wsj coverage of Ukraine has been atrocious from the get go.
Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 9 2023 14:30 utc | 63
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But they love Evan Gershkovich.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 9 2023 14:36 utc | 61
So glad they're bringing back the Middle East war for this fall TV season. Honestly, the Russian-Ukraine war was getting pretty boring. You can't even see what's happening because everything is shot from a satellite or drone. I bet we get lots of great video of the carnage and death in the Middle East this season. I wonder if they'll bring back any of the actors from the prior Middle East war seasons.
Episode 1, Death to the Zionists, was amazing. The footage was phenomenal. And the paragliders attack on the music festival was one of the best scenes in the history of television. I wonder if the second episode will continue the storyline of the plucky underdog rising up to overthrow the slave masters or if the Zionists will strike back overwhelmingly. Either way, there should be plenty of death and destruction to make this a bonafide hit. So excited. This will be the best season of Middle East war ever! Get your DVRs ready. You won't want to miss any of the action.
Posted by: Botched_Lobotomy | Oct 9 2023 14:38 utc | 62
Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah...Hams Mossad...? The funders and backers of these groups in the muslim world are perhaps the most important variable. Iran is Hezbollahs main backer whereas it has been my impression that the gulf Arabs have been the main muslim backers of Hamas and PLO. Over the past year or so there has been major realigning in the Arab world with the centers of world power shifting from east to west.
All that part of the world is a place where allegiances can quickly change. The Saudis seeing which way the wind was blowing have killed the petro-dollar. Hamas fighting with the so called moderate rebels in Syria who were backed by the gulf Arabs- meaningless now.
What is occurring now in Palestine - an Israeli American move? A Russian hybrid war move? or a purely regional move? I guess the answer to that may become clearer further down the track.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 14:42 utc | 63
Sooooo what happens when or if US/NATO weapons sent to the Ukraine are found to have been used by Hamas? If that comes to pass, I'll bet that little tidbit of info gets buried deeper than Chernobyl.
Posted by: John S | Oct 9 2023 14:45 utc | 64
The Iranians lived in Iran, Syrians in Syria, Jordanians in Jordan, Iraqis in Iraq, Afghans in Afghanistan...but the Jew lived in Europe, and the Europeans found them a problem, so was the pogroms in Ukraine, the WW2 and so on. This is a European problem. Europe should take the Jews back.Posted by: ostro | Oct 9 2023 11:42 utc |
60% of the Jews in Israel are from the Middle East, not Europe. Their leadership may be Ashkenazi, but most of its citizens used to live in Baghdad, Tehran, Cairo, and so on.
In fact the ethnic cleansing going on in the Middle East right now looks exactly like what has happened in Europe in the past where people get pushed around or converted until neat national borders are established. (Still ongoing in Eastern Europe obviously.) Druze and Christian groups find security in Israel while other smaller groups will probably collect around the Kurds in northern Syria and Iraq.
Posted by: Fineas | Oct 9 2023 14:47 utc | 65
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 14:09 utc | 61
Instead of all those complicated Palestinian relocation schemes, which have already transpired decade after decade in Palestine, how about Israel become a multinational, multi ethnic, secular nation state that is a respecter of all nationalities & faiths, equal under the law, as Russia is now, and then nobody has to move.
Like Lebanon, you mean?
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 14:48 utc | 66
If Israel and the USA attack Iran, Russia will come to Iran’s defence.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 9 2023 12:09 utc | 14
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That would be a trap. The US and Israel would love it. The best Russia could do is provide Iran with weapons and intelligence.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 9 2023 14:50 utc | 67
The WSJ piece is crap. As for attacking Iran, IMO nothing was learned from Trump's attempts it seems, and Iran is far stronger than it was then politically and militarily.
As I've preached, knowing the underlying context to this is crucial as the Zionists are deeply divided with the radical zealots having the upper hand as Crooke has detailed for months, but it seems nobody was reading him as all eyes were on Ukraine. I'll be very interested in what he writes for SCF and if it gets published today.
MBS aka bonesaw. Early impression were deceiving. Shake down of the other Saudi's royalty types, chopping up the wapo 'journalist' ect.
That shake down in hindsite looks to be MBS and father taking control from the Bandar Bush crew. That early visit to Moscow to meet with Putin was part of the change and geo-political realignment the knew King and son were bringing to Saudi Arabia.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 14:53 utc | 70
That would be a trap. The US and Israel would love it. The best Russia could do is provide Iran with weapons and intelligence.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 9 2023 14:50 utc | 71
No, that would not be a trap.
That would be WW3 and Nuclear.
US directly against Russians.
'israel' would not love it.
'israel' would lose it's only true defender.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 14:53 utc | 71
Posted by: bevin | Oct 9 2023 14:03 utc | 58
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Hello bevin, I was looking for you yesterday on the Hamas War site. It was quite a ruckus here.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 9 2023 14:55 utc | 72
This doesn't pass the smell test. What could Hamas hope to achieve. It's an act of self destruction and provides a convenient excuse for Israel to further it's illegal expansion. It is another 911, a false flag attack. Next come Israeli invasion and occupation of surrounding countries.
Posted by: Maxim Gorki | Oct 9 2023 14:55 utc | 73
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 13:25 utc | 44
Biden seems to be doing anything they can to provoke Hezbollah. Whether this is by design or due to diplomatic incompetence and illiteracy is unclear. Currently there seems to be going some clashes on the border and a power plant in Ashkelon was struck with something.
Israel army has low level of artillery if they get into conflict in the north.
I think it is "incompetence and illiteracy"
Supported by previous stupidity in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon and of course Vietnam!
Posted by: william paul | Oct 9 2023 14:57 utc | 74
http://mileswmathis.com/isra.pdf
A lot of what appears on the Mathis site is just as fake as the fakes he calls out. I have been very doubtful about the Shani Louk tale and the paraglider rubbish. Even if the whole Mathis approach repels you try to take in what he is saying about Louk and all the other obvious models and actors we have seen past couple days.
Just to pull off the Louk and paraglider routine requires lots of pre-planning and arranged media. This seems as obvious to me as b's point in the lead post that WSJ did not talk to any senior Hezbollah.
Posted by: oldhippie | Oct 9 2023 14:57 utc | 75
Arab nations is pretty much resumed to just condemning the attacks and go back to brunch. Shows that the Arab Nations again care only about their own while the West and Israel play the divide and conquer card to perfection.
Posted by: JamesBond | Oct 9 2023 13:54 utc | 51
Nope. This observation, not unlike seething NOPEC indignation in an age-old complex of unrequited "strategic autonomy," epitomized by OilDrum.com hostility to ME market power, relies on a comical set of Krugman assumptions—in short, preservation of westworld value chain—subjective and financial—is a mutually beneficial joint venture to supply rope to hang themselves; hence, a string of non sequiturs and dangling predicate objects, Arab[-speaking] nations "pretty much resumed [] condemning the attacks" [ON WHOM?]. Arab[-speaking] nations "again care only about their own [WHAT?]."
This comment mistakes lip service for consent.
Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 9 2023 14:58 utc | 76
For sure Iranians should support Palestinians, BECAUSE Jews are their common ENEMIES. One fight an enemy with whatever is possible and all the time.That's basic logic.
Posted by: Lech | Oct 9 2023 15:02 utc | 77
Current talking point: Biden gave money to Iran as part of hostage deal, Iran helped fund Hamas attack, therefore Biden is responsible!
Just ask JD Vance, Lauren Bobert or MTG.
Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Oct 9 2023 12:25 utc | 25
Reuters reported
"Five U.S. citizens detained by Tehran were allowed to leave the country in exchange for the transfer of $6 billion in Iranian funds that had been frozen in South Korea. At the same time, five Iranians held in the United States were allowed to leave."
Biden did not "give" money to iran,
he just abandonded the stealing of iran property in south korea.
Posted by: 600w | Oct 9 2023 15:07 utc | 78
I am most intrigued about this so called music fest that was attacked. It seems that a link goes to a hardcore Zionist publisher carrying a eye witness account...
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 9 2023 12:31 utc | 28
Second that. All the accounts of rape, child murder, etc are so salacious as to be very suspicious, especially considering the source. I haven't seen any proof besides so staged pictures so far.
Strong whiff of Bucha..
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2023 15:08 utc | 79
Posted by: robinthehood | Oct 9 2023 13:46 utc | 47
Not seeing a rise in the Great Persian Empire, while it is hobbled by an Arab Religion, albeit, a Hybrid. Bowing to Mecca makes Persians eunuchs.
Posted by: kupkee | Oct 9 2023 15:15 utc | 80
karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 14:56 utc | 76
The Zionists have show their true colours to world by aligning with the Ukraine Nazi's. This mindset in the Zionist mindset jews no doubt explains the periodic persecution of the jews around the world throughout history.
Re Crooke. He is very much coming into his own now. His interviews with the judge on the Judging freedom channel have been impressive. My bookmarked SCF link no longer functions - the site appears to be blocked or very much slowed here in Australia but links to individual articles open quickly. I don't search for Crookes articles in other publication but for me, they are a go to whenever I see links.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 15:15 utc | 81
Out of interest, what is the difference between the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in 1944 and this uprising in Gaza? Seems both happened under similar circumstances, the other side trying to annihilate the ghetto population.
By the same logic, supporting attack on Gaza is equivalent to supporting the crushing of the Warsaw uprising.
Posted by: unimperator | Oct 9 2023 13:59 utc | 54
Definitely the closest historical analogy here.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2023 15:20 utc | 82
It's close to impossible to find any accurate info about what's happening on the ground aside from one small incursion from Lebanon by a small Palestinian group that got into a brief firefight with the IOF. The border remains very tense, but Hezbollah has yet to do anything nor have the Zionists.
Global Times shows its great indignation towards things like the WSJ crap but takes particular notice of Nikki Haley's obscenity:
Haley, on the other hand, might never have thought that she would become as hysterical and psychotic as Chang one day. Her "finish them" rhetoric borders on a call for genocide. She is a vivid example of what kind of people are steering the wheels in the US' state apparatus.Despite serving as the former American envoy to the United Nations, Haley has shown no interest in peace, but only has enthusiasm for fueling conflicts and endorsing violence. If someone like Haley becomes the US president, it would undoubtedly spell disaster for both the country and the world, Song Zhongping, a Chinese military expert and TV commentator, told the Global Times. [My Emphasis]
The political cartoon at the item's header is 100% spot-on. The article's analysis is hard to argue with:
In case of Israeli-Palestinian puzzle, what is genuinely needed is far from a few politicians making a show, or the so-called humanitarian concern which comes along with a childlike narrative in which all virtue is on one side and all evil on the other. Neither providing weapons nor sending an aircraft carrier group can bring peace to the region, not to mention manipulating public opinion.Some American political "elites" cannot resist the urge to steal the spotlight in every possible hot-spot issue by hyping uptensions. For them, being pro-Israel is politically correct in the US, what could go wrong for rooting for political correctness, even if the voices are exaggerated, confuse the facts, and even sound out of mind? They can at least attract more attention, which they believe could bring in more votes.
However, the closing sentence isn't quite correct:
"They are advancing their own careers at the expense of others and turning the US into an enemy of world peace."
The Outlaw US Empire has long been THE enemy of world peace.
My thoughts and hart go out to the good long suffering people of gaza in this time.
I hope that your allies in nabouring countrys stand shoulder to shoulder with you. And that needs to be done now not at some time ahead.
To fail palistine now will mean its your turn next.
The rest of the world need to support Palistine in any way we can.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 9 2023 15:21 utc | 84
RE: Lech | Oct 9 2023 15:02 utc | 82
Wrong. “Zionists extremism” is the common enemy. “Jews” reside in Iran and have for centuries. Jews resided in Palestine for centuries. The Orthodox Jews of former Palestinians areas, do not recognize Israel as a Nation State and find themselves marginalized & prejudiced by Jewish state.
The conflict is not about “Jews”.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 9 2023 15:25 utc | 85
Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 15:15 utc | 86--
Aussies reading and commenting at my substack have informed me that SCF's new URL is blocked for them. Al-Mayadeen reports that Meta has censored its English language page. Lots of people using X and Telegram. SCF has yet to publish anything Palestine-related.
The Central Council of Jews has called for consequences. "Anyone who cheers the killing by Hamas on German streets and distributes sweets on this occasion must be examined to see what consequences will be drawn by the rule of law," the association said Monday. The Muslim associations in Germany had "unfortunately failed to take a clear position on this and on the war in Israel."[2]
Posted by: Passerby | Oct 9 2023 12:52 utc | 31
Perfect occasion to bring back the flash mob for an organized dance in front of the Reichstag. Maybe Michael Jackson's thriller? Possibly footloose, considering the religious anti dance authorities.
Can someone start a GoFundMe for a couple tons of baclava?
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 9 2023 15:28 utc | 87
ZH has a posting up with the title
Israel Striking Targets In South Lebanon As Feared Two-Front War Scenario Unfolds
The quote
Update (1100ET): Israel has confirmed its forces are now striking targets in southern Lebanon, as the conflict slides into the much-feared scenario of a two-front war... Hamas in the south, Hezbollah in the north. Interestingly, it seems that Gaza-based militants are trying to provoke Hezbollah's entry into the war, given they need the firepower and for the IDF to be bogged down in the north:
Posted by: psychohistorian | Oct 9 2023 15:29 utc | 88
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66951
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66957
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/66976
The IAF is taking out entire multi-storey buildings
Posted by: Down South | Oct 9 2023 15:30 utc | 89
Are you confused? Wall Street Journal? Wall Street news or war news?
Posted by: AI | Oct 9 2023 15:34 utc | 90
If they want a war against Iran so badly may they have it by all means.
Anything that collapses The Empire is fine by me.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 12:01 utc | 10
Arch, how many dead Iranians are acceptable in your “fine by me?” I’m just fuming at your thoughtlessness.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 9 2023 15:34 utc | 91
karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 15:28 utc | 91
I will have to subscribe at your substack. As yet I haven't registered/subscribed to any substack so I cannot access the comments and have to read it in readerview to get past the subscribe blocker.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 15:35 utc | 92
Simplicius FWIW...
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israel-flashpoint-localized-skirmish
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 9 2023 15:39 utc | 93
Peter AU1 | Oct 9 2023 15:35 utc | 98--
You shouldn't need to subscribe to read or comment as it's open access. Click my hyperlinked name to get there and see for yourself.
Holy crap, batman - home made SAM's!
From Surprises Unfold: Al-Qassam Brigades Deploy Surface-to-Air Missiles
The resistance’s surprises started to unfold on Monday, the third day of the Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.Al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas resistance movement, announced targeting a squadron of F-16 fighter jets in the sky of the Gaza Sea at a depth of 35 km with 2 surface-to-air missiles.
Earlier on Monday, Al-Qassam Brigades released a video showing its fighters using the “Mutabbir” air defense system.
Get a load of this Gizmo:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1711298851368247665
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 15:43 utc | 95
Taking a range of 100k roughly for an F-18 from a US carrier and being very generous with how close to the Israeli coast it would come given the range of Hamas and Hezbollah rockets and their fleet of small boats waiting to carry out another USS Cole bombing, the F-18s could not reach much more than a sliver of Western Iran without inflight refueling. They'd also have to overlfy Iraq and or Syria. I'm not sure the US/Israelis really have the ability to launch a proper strike on Iran. Iraq is out for hosting the US aircraft as are Turkey and Afghanistan. Someday soon Iran will have hypersonic missiles from Russia and or China and then it's over, any carrier close enough to launch an attack will be sunk.
This is what worries me, the neocons have overreached in Ukraine, the US has failed a test it itself laid for it's hegemony and now everyday the US military gets comparatively weaker and less able to take action. If you have a depreciating asset what do you do? You use it now while you can. Like the Israelis they serve the neocons have an insane hostile no negotiation mentality, this is why they are, like the Israelis, playing this endless game of whack-a-mole, making new enemies in the drive to destroy the old ones. Best exemplified in Hamas themselves, originally funded and assisted by the Israelis to destroy the PLO and who have now proven themselves to be more resilient, incorruptible and dangerous than the PLO. And their constant need to "prune" and "garden" the Levant, blowing up functional and cohesive states from standing against them. It's a policy of total submission and total supremacy, not unlike the doctrine embraced by the neocons for the US in order for it to serve as Israel's golem.
This is what lead them to the disaster in Ukraine. When Russia intervened in Syria the neocon flipped the table and set out to really get the Russians, a massive campaign to vilify and instruct the American public that the Russians were the new designated enemy began. Who cares if it's a fight you can't win which will end American hegemony, you need to destroy Syria right now!
Similarly they might start a war with Iran since every day from now on it gets harder. Consequences? We'll deal with them later. This isn't irrelevent to consider, the neocons are just American Zionists, we use "neocon" as they prefer that name to conceal themselves. But Israel and it's expansion and regional supremacy is existential to them. Israel no longer being a Jewish state in a shared one state solution with the Palestinians would be the end of the world to them already, why not risk the actual end of the world to stop it?
Posted by: Altai | Oct 9 2023 15:44 utc | 96
karlof1 | Oct 9 2023 15:21 utc | 88
A decent explanatory example from the Global Times of why the Sino-Russian model of "Centers of Civilizations" is semantically, morally and politically superior to the desperate Western scramble for their exclusive "rules-based world order" based on this "end of history" pamphlet.
The global community continues to develop, societies want to move forward - not backwards, not remaining stuck in the status quo. Conflicts require solutions that can resolve knots of conflicts, while Exclusives get already nervous when Sunnis and Shiites want to live together: "where the hell is our tool gone?"...
Posted by: Konrad | Oct 9 2023 15:45 utc | 97
Arch, how many dead Iranians are acceptable in your “fine by me?” I’m just fuming at your thoughtlessness.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Oct 9 2023 15:34 utc | 97
Yes, I knew you'd say that.
The logic is as follows:
It is inevitable. Therefore if it is inevitable, let it be and let them get the worst of it.
No malice, no end to compassion for the Iranian people.
Interpret it thusly:
Better do live on ones feet than die on one's knees.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 15:46 utc | 98
Holy crap batman! Home made SAMs:
Surprises Unfold: Al-Qassam Brigades Deploy Surface-to-Air Missiles
The resistance’s surprises started to unfold on Monday, the third day of the Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.Al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas resistance movement, announced targeting a squadron of F-16 fighter jets in the sky of the Gaza Sea at a depth of 35 km with 2 surface-to-air missiles.
Earlier on Monday, Al-Qassam Brigades released a video showing its fighters using the “Mutabbir” air defense system.
Get a load of this gizmo:
Real? Fake? We're about to find out ...
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 9 2023 15:50 utc | 99
It is as B says. So no surprise to find Canada's UN Ambassador 'Bob the Zio' singing loudly off that same neocon song-sheet:
'Very Clear' Iran involved in attacks on Israel, Canada's Ambassador to the UN Says
John Helmer's latest on all this is well worth the read: It's worse than we thought...
Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 9 2023 15:55 utc | 100
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NeoCons are living in a video game world, before taking on the final boss China, first getting rid of the elite boss Russia and Iran.
Posted by: Joe Tzu | Oct 9 2023 11:26 utc | 1