Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 18, 2023
West’s Pro-Israel Position Accelerates Its Loss Of Power

Western media start to note how their politicians' unwavering support for Israel and Ukraine is diminishing their countries' global standing.

At Naked Capitalism Yves Smith notes the devastating political effects of the Gaza bombing on Biden's foreign policies:

Biden Gets Zelensky Treatment in Middle East as Israel Tries to Escalate

The US, in a continued demonstration of the degree of enbubblement of what passes for its leadership, seems to believe it still has the force and soft power to be able to bully talk its way out of its geopolitical messes. Yet this week we have stunning examples of how critical players in the rest to the world no longer buy what the US is selling. The gap between the American establishment’s connection to reality and facts on the ground has opened up to a yawning chasm as the Arab world, as Jordan cancelled a Biden summit with its King Abduallah II plus PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi in response to Israel’s shelling of Al-Ahli Arab hospital. Not only are they rejecting the attempt to shift blame for the attack to Hamas (we’ll soon address the “rogue shell” claim), but also the bigger pretense behind that, that the US is incapable of, as opposed to unwilling to, applying the choke chain to Israel.

Even the Western media are not much on board with the Israeli and Biden Administration pretense that somehow Hamas dunnit, when Israel has been trying to herd Palestinians out of northern Gaza and specifically attempted to order the evacuation of the hospital. Oh, and this follows Israel ordering the UN to evacuate from Gaza in 24 hours and then shelling its warehouse there: …

Israel bombed, probably with a U.S. made Hellfire missile, the courtyard of the Baptist al-Ahli Arab hospital where thousands had sought refuge. A short video of the immediate aftermath shows several dozens if not hundreds of dead and wounded. Doctors later held a press conference while standing among some of the casualties.

Like other hospitals al-Ahli Arab had been told by Israel to evacuate but could not do so as there are no other places where the sick and wounded, including many intensive care cases, could be cared for.

Three days earlier, notes the UN, the same hospital had, like others, already been bombed:

14 October 2023: In Gaza city city and governorate, Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by Israeli airstrikes, partially damaging two floors and damaging the ultrasound and mammography room. Four people were injured. Sources: Al Jazeera V and Personal Communication

To then claim, as Biden did, that 'the other team' was responsible for the attack is unfathomable.

It was also way too late says a RUSI fellow:

Going to repeat this as the situation has moved more in the past 16 hours than in the previous week.

The plates have shifted, radically. The window for Israeli operations has shrunk from more than a month, to a few days…if at all.

That is now the reality of where we stand.

No country besides the U.S. and a few Europeans will ever defend such barbarity. They will simply stop listen to what the 'west' has to say.

The Financial Times quotes a G7-official who struggles with this global divide:

Rush by west to back Israel erodes developing countries’ support for Ukraine (archived)

Western support for Israel’s assault on Gaza has poisoned efforts to build consensus with significant developing countries on condemning Russia’s war against Ukraine, officials and diplomats have warned.

The reaction to the October 7 attack on Israel by Islamist militant group Hamas and to Israel’s vow to hit back against Gaza has undone months of work to paint Moscow as a global pariah for breaching international law, they said, exposing the US, EU and their allies to charges of hypocrisy.

In the flurry of emergency diplomatic visits, video conferences and calls, western officials have been accused of failing to defend the interests of 2.3mn Palestinians in their rush to condemn the Hamas attack and support Israel.

The backlash had solidified entrenched positions in the developing world on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, officials said. They warned that this could derail future diplomatic efforts on Ukraine.

“We have definitely lost the battle in the Global South,” said one senior G7 diplomat. “All the work we have done with the Global South [over Ukraine] has been lost . . . Forget about rules, forget about world order. They won’t ever listen to us again.”

Some American diplomats are privately concerned that the Biden administration’s response has failed to acknowledge how its broad support of Israel can alienate much of the Global South.

Looking at the current BRI anniversary meeting of some 140 states in Beijing, the New York Times voices similar concerns:

New Global Divisions on View as Biden Goes to Israel and Putin to China

Russia and China are siding with a Palestinian people seeking liberation and self-determination, while in Washington’s eyes, they themselves deny those same possibilities to the Ukrainians, the Tibetans, the Uyghurs and even to the Taiwanese.

But in their reluctance to blame Hamas and effort to associate themselves with the Palestinian cause, both Russia and China are appealing to a wider sentiment in the so-called Global South — and in large parts of Europe, too. For them, it is Israel that is conducting a colonialist policy by its occupation of the West Bank, its encouragement of Jewish settlers on Palestinian land and its isolation of the 2.3 million people of Gaza, who are subjected even in normal times to sharp restrictions on their freedoms.

The Global South, a term for developing nations, is a vital area of the new competition between the West and the Chinese-Russian alternative, said Hanna Notte, the director of a Eurasia program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies.

From the point of view of many in the Global South, she said, “the United States fights Russia, the occupier of Ukraine, but when it comes to Israel, the U.S. is on the side of the occupier, and Russia taps into that.”

The editorial board of the Washington Post also declares the failure of U.S. policies:

It would be a moral and strategic mistake to ignore Gaza’s plight

Still, the plight of Gazans has been treated by the United States and the wider international community as a sad but immutable fact in an irresolvable conflict. This was a moral and strategic error, helping promote the instability that has, for now, wrecked efforts on the part of Israel, the United States and Arab states to build a durable diplomatic settlement among the region’s big players.

The Carnegie Council explains how the global rift necessitates a change in western policies. It especially sees a need to ditch the so called "value-" or "rules-based-order" policies:

A Requiem for the Rules-Based Order
The Case for Value-Neutral Ethics in International Relations

Regardless of how it eventually concludes, the Russo-Ukrainian War represents a seismic event signaling profound changes in the global landscape. The unipolar era is at its end, major countries are more concerned with their cultural sovereignty and strategic autonomy than they have been in decades, and it seems inevitable that the once-dominant Western hegemony must gradually yield to a more diverse and multipolar system.

The period following World War II witnessed the ascendancy of the United States and its allies as architects of a new international order premised on the institutionalization of Western values such as democracy and human rights. This Western-centric approach to global governance—known as the “rules-based order”—has encountered mounting challenges. China's rise, Russia's geopolitical subversiveness, and the growing assertiveness of emerging powers from the Global South have eroded Western dominance. The outcome is a more diverse world, characterized by multiple centers of power coexisting, challenging any single ideology or set of substantive values.

Our particular sense of morality in the West should not stop us from aspiring to pursue what’s both wise and right. The evolving international order, characterized by polycentrism and multipolarity, challenges the conventional Western-dominated “rules-based” order. Drawing from Nietzsche's perspective on values, we recognize that values are context-dependent rather than innate, timeless, or universal. Similarly, the decline of our ancien regime does not spell the end of international ethics. If the current transition is understood correctly, it could promise the birth of a new normative system based on a functional, value-neutral, situational, and diplomatic ethic that has its primary concern in managing reciprocal relations between world powers.

Instead of attempting to impose our values on others (no matter how good or true we think they are), we in the West should prioritize engagement with other major powers based on common interests and shared objectives.

In sum, within the intellectual framework offered by cultural realism, we need an alternative instrumentalist and pragmatic ethic that 1) accepts the realities of power politics and spheres of interest without moralizing and projecting a Manichaean mentality upon the world, and 2) is grounded in principles that are conducive to a pluralist modus vivendi, including mutual and equal recognition, statesmanship, non-interference, humility, strategic empathy, and open dialogue.

Some might say that the west will never change its behavior but I do not believe that.

The west WILL HAVE TO change its behavior or it will go down into history's graveyard. There is no longer an alternative as the 'rules based order' has proven to be an unsellable dead end.

Comments

Posted by: Haxo Angmark | Oct 19 2023 3:15 utc | 335
What ever your are smoking must be top quality shit! Potent, Iran fired 13 Missiles,
here is the video from Iranian Military Spokesman, some one here can translate it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSrTi0YY6XY
If America could have done anything to Iran, would have done long ago, instead of going to Iraq, and pommelling it’s exhausted army! As for Syrian situation, to day it has completed rebuilt its army, and Assad has never been more popular despite the massive problems that America and its minions created! Now go back to your Somali boyfriend.

Posted by: Grishka | Oct 19 2023 6:19 utc | 701

Posted by: Haxo Angmark | Oct 19 2023 3:15 utc | 335
What ever your are smoking must be top quality shit! Potent, Iran fired 13 Missiles,
here is the video from Iranian Military Spokesman, some one here can translate it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSrTi0YY6XY
If America could have done anything to Iran, would have done long ago, instead of going to Iraq, and pommelling it’s exhausted army! As for Syrian situation, to day it has completed rebuilt its army, and Assad has never been more popular despite the massive problems that America and its minions created! Now go back to your Somali boyfriend.

Posted by: Grishka | Oct 19 2023 6:19 utc | 702

As a reminder to the cranks on this forum that are prone to speculate fanciful things, there is no need to speculate.
‘b’ made a very obvious claim that anchored the OP.

the ‘rules based order’ has proven to be an unsellable dead end.

What is the ‘rules based order’ selling? Debt! Look how much!
https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/US-Treasury-issuance-2023-08-02.png
Buyers will demand brutal interest rates? The West’s future is penury.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 6:34 utc | 703

As a reminder to the cranks on this forum that are prone to speculate fanciful things, there is no need to speculate.
‘b’ made a very obvious claim that anchored the OP.

the ‘rules based order’ has proven to be an unsellable dead end.

What is the ‘rules based order’ selling? Debt! Look how much!
https://wolfstreet.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/US-Treasury-issuance-2023-08-02.png
Buyers will demand brutal interest rates? The West’s future is penury.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 6:34 utc | 704

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
When there are stories about US bombing killing civilians somewhere in Afghanistan, US military investigations usually take months. I am amazed how when it came to Israeli war crimes, it took the Pentagon minutes to absolve Israel and without sending inspectors. TV inspections?
https://twitter.com/asadabukhalil/status/1714673708827357658

Posted by: Menz | Oct 19 2023 6:42 utc | 705

asad abukhalil أسعد أبو خليل
@asadabukhalil
When there are stories about US bombing killing civilians somewhere in Afghanistan, US military investigations usually take months. I am amazed how when it came to Israeli war crimes, it took the Pentagon minutes to absolve Israel and without sending inspectors. TV inspections?
https://twitter.com/asadabukhalil/status/1714673708827357658

Posted by: Menz | Oct 19 2023 6:42 utc | 706

While the West like to see their approach as “value-based-order”, it is, in fact, nothing but “might makes right”: The one with the bigger gets to decide what is right and what is wrong.
What they seem to forget is that they’ll end up at the receiving end as others get stronger.
Any bets how long it will take before Russia, China, India or Pakistan start sending “help packages” to interested groups, now that NATO has established it is perfectly ok to send weapons that will be used for terrorist attacks to parties at war?
Any bets how long it will take before the first “unfortunate smoking incidents” at NATO military bases?

Posted by: Marvin | Oct 19 2023 6:53 utc | 707

While the West like to see their approach as “value-based-order”, it is, in fact, nothing but “might makes right”: The one with the bigger gets to decide what is right and what is wrong.
What they seem to forget is that they’ll end up at the receiving end as others get stronger.
Any bets how long it will take before Russia, China, India or Pakistan start sending “help packages” to interested groups, now that NATO has established it is perfectly ok to send weapons that will be used for terrorist attacks to parties at war?
Any bets how long it will take before the first “unfortunate smoking incidents” at NATO military bases?

Posted by: Marvin | Oct 19 2023 6:53 utc | 708

If Iran gets involved I think the Zionists will use nukes. They already threatened to destroy Lebanon if Hezbollah opens a new front. They said recently that they will reshape the ME. US is desperate to keep its influence in the region and the Zionists are off the leash.

Posted by: country_blumpkin | Oct 19 2023 6:54 utc | 709

If Iran gets involved I think the Zionists will use nukes. They already threatened to destroy Lebanon if Hezbollah opens a new front. They said recently that they will reshape the ME. US is desperate to keep its influence in the region and the Zionists are off the leash.

Posted by: country_blumpkin | Oct 19 2023 6:54 utc | 710

Sticking with the “unsellable dead end” theme, FT reports:

54 minutes ago 08:01
China’s August sale of US Treasuries pushes debt holding to new 14-year low
Hudson Lockett in Hong Kong
China was once again a net seller of US Treasuries in August, taking the country’s holdings of US debt to a fresh 14-year low. But Japan stepped up its buying, helping to take foreign exposure to US debt to the highest level in almost two years.
China’s holdings of treasuries fell $16.4bn to $805.4bn, the lowest level since 2009, according to data from the Treasury department.
China remained the second-largest holder of US debt after Japan, which bought about $4bn worth of Treasuries in August, taking its holdings to more than $1.1tn.
Total foreign holdings of US Treasuries rose by $52bn to $7.7tn in August, the highest level since December 2021.

What is notable, apart from China selling, is that China’s total US debt holdings is about ~$800 billions.
Huge numbers are hard to conceptualize. But it is easy to see that China’s total Treasury holding is less than the USA plans to (and must) sell in the next three months.
HAMAS resistance comes at a time when the West cannot afford it.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:10 utc | 711

Sticking with the “unsellable dead end” theme, FT reports:

54 minutes ago 08:01
China’s August sale of US Treasuries pushes debt holding to new 14-year low
Hudson Lockett in Hong Kong
China was once again a net seller of US Treasuries in August, taking the country’s holdings of US debt to a fresh 14-year low. But Japan stepped up its buying, helping to take foreign exposure to US debt to the highest level in almost two years.
China’s holdings of treasuries fell $16.4bn to $805.4bn, the lowest level since 2009, according to data from the Treasury department.
China remained the second-largest holder of US debt after Japan, which bought about $4bn worth of Treasuries in August, taking its holdings to more than $1.1tn.
Total foreign holdings of US Treasuries rose by $52bn to $7.7tn in August, the highest level since December 2021.

What is notable, apart from China selling, is that China’s total US debt holdings is about ~$800 billions.
Huge numbers are hard to conceptualize. But it is easy to see that China’s total Treasury holding is less than the USA plans to (and must) sell in the next three months.
HAMAS resistance comes at a time when the West cannot afford it.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:10 utc | 712

Yesterday Redacted YT show made a video of Israel’s potential civil war.
Apparently Israel has a similar situation as in Ukraine. They have far-right/fascist militias of their own, like the Azov battalion. So these far-rights are arresting dissidents and other jews left and right. And Gaza has many characteristics of Donbass, albeit not directly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3SQNvZ-Iy8

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2023 7:11 utc | 713

Yesterday Redacted YT show made a video of Israel’s potential civil war.
Apparently Israel has a similar situation as in Ukraine. They have far-right/fascist militias of their own, like the Azov battalion. So these far-rights are arresting dissidents and other jews left and right. And Gaza has many characteristics of Donbass, albeit not directly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3SQNvZ-Iy8

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2023 7:11 utc | 714

20 trailers for 2.5 million but only maybe. Israelis really like to live up to stereotypes.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 19 2023 7:16 utc | 715

20 trailers for 2.5 million but only maybe. Israelis really like to live up to stereotypes.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Oct 19 2023 7:16 utc | 716

@ Giyane above , just saw your post as I came to post this, not sure if answers any of your query, I’ll go back and read your post after breakfast but for now , if you and
@ ALL BARFLIES, haven’t yet come across this truth to power, by one person alone at a disadvantage in the interview, setup to entrap him, start your day with some positivity.
This is what happens when the presstitutes can’t have fake guests and controlled opposition as they attempt to disperse their fake narratives.
The fat fuck Murdoch arse wipe Piers Morgan gets schooled by the ancient civilised Egyptian comedian Bassem Youssef.
He also destroyed Shapiro and Boreing , some guys who are the current day equivalent arsewipes of some other golden billionaires as dumb apologists of civilian killing, genociding, supremacism, leaving them as stinking shits on bottom of shoe fuckwits that they are.
Pierce has always been a twat just like his stable mate and minder Alistair Campbell was as the Mossad thug media controller of the Blair government that started the 25 year war against the world and brought us to this point. Pierce was the controlled opposition newspaper editor of the Daily Mirror, a supposed Labour Party supporting organ- which if anyone recalls , was owned and run by the fat fuck Mossad operative and Zion king Robert Maxwell (not his real name)-, who robbed that papers pension funds and then went for his mystery swim and full state funeral in Israel. His sons and family escaped with the loot without any criminal penalties. His daughter Ghislaine and Epstein went on to set up and run the Lolita Express honey trap and blackmail ring , that is still unraveling. That gave us the world we are seeing collapse around us in The Collective Waste as the new is born In Beijing- which is one of the reasons why our eyes are diverted by the brutal death in Gaza. The vids of kids in shock and terror are sickening.
https://youtu.be/4idQbwsvtUo?si=ZvmMFF3CW_m2ktFt
https://t.me/myLordBebo/10361
Never heard of Bassem Youssef before – Never forget him now.
His a Don. I respect and thank him for his voice and aptitude and letting me get up this morning with a mighty guffaw and smile. .

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2023 7:16 utc | 717

@ Giyane above , just saw your post as I came to post this, not sure if answers any of your query, I’ll go back and read your post after breakfast but for now , if you and
@ ALL BARFLIES, haven’t yet come across this truth to power, by one person alone at a disadvantage in the interview, setup to entrap him, start your day with some positivity.
This is what happens when the presstitutes can’t have fake guests and controlled opposition as they attempt to disperse their fake narratives.
The fat fuck Murdoch arse wipe Piers Morgan gets schooled by the ancient civilised Egyptian comedian Bassem Youssef.
He also destroyed Shapiro and Boreing , some guys who are the current day equivalent arsewipes of some other golden billionaires as dumb apologists of civilian killing, genociding, supremacism, leaving them as stinking shits on bottom of shoe fuckwits that they are.
Pierce has always been a twat just like his stable mate and minder Alistair Campbell was as the Mossad thug media controller of the Blair government that started the 25 year war against the world and brought us to this point. Pierce was the controlled opposition newspaper editor of the Daily Mirror, a supposed Labour Party supporting organ- which if anyone recalls , was owned and run by the fat fuck Mossad operative and Zion king Robert Maxwell (not his real name)-, who robbed that papers pension funds and then went for his mystery swim and full state funeral in Israel. His sons and family escaped with the loot without any criminal penalties. His daughter Ghislaine and Epstein went on to set up and run the Lolita Express honey trap and blackmail ring , that is still unraveling. That gave us the world we are seeing collapse around us in The Collective Waste as the new is born In Beijing- which is one of the reasons why our eyes are diverted by the brutal death in Gaza. The vids of kids in shock and terror are sickening.
https://youtu.be/4idQbwsvtUo?si=ZvmMFF3CW_m2ktFt
https://t.me/myLordBebo/10361
Never heard of Bassem Youssef before – Never forget him now.
His a Don. I respect and thank him for his voice and aptitude and letting me get up this morning with a mighty guffaw and smile. .

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2023 7:16 utc | 718

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:10 utc | 374
Some analysis said US is adding a trillion in debt about every two months nowadays.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2023 7:19 utc | 719

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:10 utc | 374
Some analysis said US is adding a trillion in debt about every two months nowadays.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 19 2023 7:19 utc | 720

Yet more on the “unsellable dead end”, from the FT:

Bets against shekel heap pressure on Israeli central bank
Traders’ short positions on the currency put Bank of Israel in a bind ahead of interest rate decision
Traders have been increasing their bets against the Israeli shekel, increasing the pressure on the Bank of Israel to keep interest rates on hold and stabilise the currency, despite the cost of a war looming large over the economy.
Short positions — bets on the currency weakening — against the shekel shot up in the week following Hamas’s October 7 attack on Israel to the highest level since January 2022, according to research from Deutsche Bank.
“For this year short positioning on the shekel has reached an extreme level,” said Rohini Grover, a currency strategist at Deutsche Bank. Over the past two weeks bets against the shekel had risen by more than any other currency that the bank tracks, she added.
The shekel has fallen 3.8 per cent against the dollar since the Bank of Israel on October 9 pledged to sell up to $30bn of dollar reserves to support the shekel. Since the Hamas attack it is down 4.8 per cent.
The decline in the currency puts the Bank of Israel in a bind. On the one hand it is likely to come under pressure to stimulate the economy through lower borrowing costs in the face of a growth shock, while on the other it will be wary of a weaker currency leading to a jump in the price of imported goods.

https://www.ft.com/content/dfbcb4d3-bbf9-42f1-9303-f92b01536855
Of course the Bank of Israel will bugger its Western collaborators.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:26 utc | 721

Yet more on the “unsellable dead end”, from the FT:

Bets against shekel heap pressure on Israeli central bank
Traders’ short positions on the currency put Bank of Israel in a bind ahead of interest rate decision
Traders have been increasing their bets against the Israeli shekel, increasing the pressure on the Bank of Israel to keep interest rates on hold and stabilise the currency, despite the cost of a war looming large over the economy.
Short positions — bets on the currency weakening — against the shekel shot up in the week following Hamas’s October 7 attack on Israel to the highest level since January 2022, according to research from Deutsche Bank.
“For this year short positioning on the shekel has reached an extreme level,” said Rohini Grover, a currency strategist at Deutsche Bank. Over the past two weeks bets against the shekel had risen by more than any other currency that the bank tracks, she added.
The shekel has fallen 3.8 per cent against the dollar since the Bank of Israel on October 9 pledged to sell up to $30bn of dollar reserves to support the shekel. Since the Hamas attack it is down 4.8 per cent.
The decline in the currency puts the Bank of Israel in a bind. On the one hand it is likely to come under pressure to stimulate the economy through lower borrowing costs in the face of a growth shock, while on the other it will be wary of a weaker currency leading to a jump in the price of imported goods.

https://www.ft.com/content/dfbcb4d3-bbf9-42f1-9303-f92b01536855
Of course the Bank of Israel will bugger its Western collaborators.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:26 utc | 722

“the global rift necessitates a change in western policies”, really?
The so-called West is way behind the curve.
It’s nothing short of being too late at the train station.
The train has already left, stupid.
All in vain.

Posted by: Carlo | Oct 19 2023 7:35 utc | 723

“the global rift necessitates a change in western policies”, really?
The so-called West is way behind the curve.
It’s nothing short of being too late at the train station.
The train has already left, stupid.
All in vain.

Posted by: Carlo | Oct 19 2023 7:35 utc | 724

Bassem Youssef is brilliant, see his videos of 2010-2012 to understand what Egypt webt through. He did manage to make fun of the MB but did not survive the army, or even just the army fans.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 19 2023 7:42 utc | 725

Bassem Youssef is brilliant, see his videos of 2010-2012 to understand what Egypt webt through. He did manage to make fun of the MB but did not survive the army, or even just the army fans.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 19 2023 7:42 utc | 726

Riffing on the shift in power relations …

Argentina taps Chinese credit line to keep economy afloat during elections
Economy minister says renminbi will be used to pay IMF, prop up the peso and aid importers
Ciara Nugent in Buenos Aires 19.10.2023
Sergio Massa, Argentina’s economy minister and the presidential candidate for the ruling centre-left Peronist coalition, has borrowed another $6.5bn-worth of renminbi from Beijing in a last-ditch effort to stabilise the economy ahead of elections on Sunday.
President Alberto Fernández, who is not running for a second term, announced the expansion during a visit to China on Wednesday.
Amid its worst economic crisis in two decades, Argentina’s international reserves have fallen to dangerously low levels, forcing it to draw on a currency swap line between its central bank and the People’s Bank of China.
The Central Bank of Argentina first began to tap the $18bn facility in April and has spent just under $5bn-worth of renminbi mostly to help Argentine companies pay for imports and to free up cash to shore up the peso.
Massa told a local radio station on Wednesday that the latest tranche would be used in the same way, and also to “pre-pay” repayments on Argentina’s loan from the IMF.

https://www.ft.com/content/c92e56b7-e619-4cbb-b615-e401140c10cc

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 8:03 utc | 727

Riffing on the shift in power relations …

Argentina taps Chinese credit line to keep economy afloat during elections
Economy minister says renminbi will be used to pay IMF, prop up the peso and aid importers
Ciara Nugent in Buenos Aires 19.10.2023
Sergio Massa, Argentina’s economy minister and the presidential candidate for the ruling centre-left Peronist coalition, has borrowed another $6.5bn-worth of renminbi from Beijing in a last-ditch effort to stabilise the economy ahead of elections on Sunday.
President Alberto Fernández, who is not running for a second term, announced the expansion during a visit to China on Wednesday.
Amid its worst economic crisis in two decades, Argentina’s international reserves have fallen to dangerously low levels, forcing it to draw on a currency swap line between its central bank and the People’s Bank of China.
The Central Bank of Argentina first began to tap the $18bn facility in April and has spent just under $5bn-worth of renminbi mostly to help Argentine companies pay for imports and to free up cash to shore up the peso.
Massa told a local radio station on Wednesday that the latest tranche would be used in the same way, and also to “pre-pay” repayments on Argentina’s loan from the IMF.

https://www.ft.com/content/c92e56b7-e619-4cbb-b615-e401140c10cc

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 8:03 utc | 728

To answer Piers, Mandela was not fighting a bunch of millenarists expecting the messiah any time and taking their inspiration from old myths invented to justify land grab. He could negociate with rational actors, unlike the Palestinians. That the West supports these biggot maniacs in Israel and the US will doom whoever believed they belonged to the West.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 19 2023 8:08 utc | 729

To answer Piers, Mandela was not fighting a bunch of millenarists expecting the messiah any time and taking their inspiration from old myths invented to justify land grab. He could negociate with rational actors, unlike the Palestinians. That the West supports these biggot maniacs in Israel and the US will doom whoever believed they belonged to the West.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 19 2023 8:08 utc | 730

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:10 utc | 374
Since July 2018 China has sold almost 33% of its Treasury holdings.

Posted by: watcher | Oct 19 2023 8:18 utc | 731

Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:10 utc | 374
Since July 2018 China has sold almost 33% of its Treasury holdings.

Posted by: watcher | Oct 19 2023 8:18 utc | 732

But Putin is too laggard and slow thinker to do anything on a war footing. He is a loser.
Posted by: Sam | Oct 19 2023 1:50 utc | 316
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I wish that we in the UK had such intelligent, thoughtful and inspirational leadership as V.V.Putin.
He makes the infantile, vassal, colonialist mentality of UK politicians and military leaders look like the amateurs that they are.
The pity is that I’m paying their inflated salaries.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Oct 19 2023 9:29 utc | 733

But Putin is too laggard and slow thinker to do anything on a war footing. He is a loser.
Posted by: Sam | Oct 19 2023 1:50 utc | 316
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I wish that we in the UK had such intelligent, thoughtful and inspirational leadership as V.V.Putin.
He makes the infantile, vassal, colonialist mentality of UK politicians and military leaders look like the amateurs that they are.
The pity is that I’m paying their inflated salaries.

Posted by: Engineer-John | Oct 19 2023 9:29 utc | 734

Larry Johnson email to me. Note he makes no attempt to refute my claim that he is shilling for the zionazis:
larrycjohnson@me.com
To:
_______________@______.___
Wed, 18 Oct at 8:49 am
If you are going to engage in such gratuitous, ignorant claims, I don’t want you at my blog. Go elsewhere. I’m shilling for no one. Your comment is deleted.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 19 2023 9:32 utc | 735

Larry Johnson email to me. Note he makes no attempt to refute my claim that he is shilling for the zionazis:
larrycjohnson@me.com
To:
_______________@______.___
Wed, 18 Oct at 8:49 am
If you are going to engage in such gratuitous, ignorant claims, I don’t want you at my blog. Go elsewhere. I’m shilling for no one. Your comment is deleted.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Oct 19 2023 9:32 utc | 736

Its a western partners, Jewish & ukro speciality to bomb hospitals and civilians
NATO has bombed in Belgrade hospitals in Nis and other parts of Serbia.
They ve bombed trains with hundred’s of dead civilians near the town of Nis
Nato bombing campaign against targets of serbian military was a failure
Professional War criminals!
They enjoy killing civilians!

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 19 2023 9:44 utc | 737

Its a western partners, Jewish & ukro speciality to bomb hospitals and civilians
NATO has bombed in Belgrade hospitals in Nis and other parts of Serbia.
They ve bombed trains with hundred’s of dead civilians near the town of Nis
Nato bombing campaign against targets of serbian military was a failure
Professional War criminals!
They enjoy killing civilians!

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 19 2023 9:44 utc | 738

Robert Maxwell (neé Ján Ludvík Hoch)…… His daughter Ghislaine and Epstein went on to set up and run the Lolita Express honey trap and blackmail ring , that is still unraveling. That gave us the world we are seeing collapse around us……
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2023 7:16 utc | 377

You forgot to connect the Epstein = Ghislaine = Blinken dots. Blinken was raised by his Stepfather, Samuel Pisar – the self described pimp, blackmarketeer, and tax cheat. Pisar later became Ján Ludvík Hoch‘s consigliere ; and Pisar was the last human to see Ján Ludvík Hoch before Ján Ludvík Hoch mysteriously fell off his boat and drowned. It’s no stretch to suggest Blinken and Ghislaine were childhood friends.
A remarkable analysis of Pisar‘s autobiography
https://www.unz.com/ejones/antony-blinken-is-a-holocaust-liar/

Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 9:49 utc | 741

Robert Maxwell (neé Ján Ludvík Hoch)…… His daughter Ghislaine and Epstein went on to set up and run the Lolita Express honey trap and blackmail ring , that is still unraveling. That gave us the world we are seeing collapse around us……
Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2023 7:16 utc | 377

You forgot to connect the Epstein = Ghislaine = Blinken dots. Blinken was raised by his Stepfather, Samuel Pisar – the self described pimp, blackmarketeer, and tax cheat. Pisar later became Ján Ludvík Hoch‘s consigliere ; and Pisar was the last human to see Ján Ludvík Hoch before Ján Ludvík Hoch mysteriously fell off his boat and drowned. It’s no stretch to suggest Blinken and Ghislaine were childhood friends.
A remarkable analysis of Pisar‘s autobiography
https://www.unz.com/ejones/antony-blinken-is-a-holocaust-liar/

Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 9:49 utc | 742

https://t.me/remylind21/9496
More serbs at frontlines

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 19 2023 9:50 utc | 743

https://t.me/remylind21/9496
More serbs at frontlines

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 19 2023 9:50 utc | 744

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 18 2023 22:15 utc | 224
it [the bomb] may have been a sophisticated weapon designed to leave buildings standing and leave no creater, allowing for plausible deniability (at least as far as MSM is concerned).
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 18 2023 22:46 utc | 236
a better view of the bomb site
https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1714587292415770630
<=I think neutron bombs destroy all life, but leave the physical assets untouched? why Netanyohu is using the resources of his nation state [Israel], to invade Palestine and to run the Palestinians off by what ever means possible? Read the link for a possible why: posted by Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 18 2023 22:38 utc | 23 https://tinyurl.com/ym56cep7..<=I made the link smaller. .. the content of the link suggest oil monopolies need the Palestinians removed at any cost? <=Read the article. <=apparently Egyptian oil is unacceptable competition to the Israeli vested oil monopolies; Is Netanyohu well connected? Quote from the link "The EMG gas deal [in Israel] is the gas companies’ natural next step: quash any competition before it ripens." and the other thing is the massive off shore to Gaza massive off shore gas and oil discovery is un accessible to the Israeli gas monopoly if the Palestinians remain in Gaza. Hence move them out. Three carriers in Mediterranean there to transport the Gazians out of Gazia? Posted by: bevin | Oct 18 2023 23:15 utc | 252 "...What these past 12 days have demonstrated more than anything else, is the inability of the US to be a world leader." <= the USA has never been a world leader, it is a government, governments are functionless non human. Likely, its politicians, who direct the awesome forces of government in accord to the wishes of the City of London and the city of London and its off shore assets likely host the global deep state IMO. quote from link Posted by: bevin | Oct 18 2023 23:16 utc | 254 https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-us-middle-east-policy-wheels-coming-off-cart
“The US [Is noble energy important? see link above.] not only gave the brightest of green lights to a bombing campaign aimed at pushing more than one million people in the northern half of the Gaza Strip down towards the Egyptian border. It not only gave Israel JDAM bombs and several thousand 155mm artillery rounds, according to defence officials.
It also, according to multiple credible reports, tried initially to persuade Egypt to take one million refugees from Gaza. Al Akhbar first reported that the US tried to coordinate with the UN and “international organisations receiving EU funding” to persuade Cairo to open Rafah. A bribe was of course involved.”
Posted by: Ed | Oct 18 2023 23:54 utc | 280
Hamas was under strict orders not to hurt civilians, but only to take hostages for negotiations.
<=My point is the nation state leaders do no commit the awesome powers of the nation states they control unless and until private economic interest request it. B its time to dig deeper into the reason for this "dispose of the people in Gaza war" .. You were very slow to pick up on the vaccination scam..

Posted by: snake | Oct 19 2023 10:08 utc | 745

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 18 2023 22:15 utc | 224
it [the bomb] may have been a sophisticated weapon designed to leave buildings standing and leave no creater, allowing for plausible deniability (at least as far as MSM is concerned).
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 18 2023 22:46 utc | 236
a better view of the bomb site
https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1714587292415770630
<=I think neutron bombs destroy all life, but leave the physical assets untouched? why Netanyohu is using the resources of his nation state [Israel], to invade Palestine and to run the Palestinians off by what ever means possible? Read the link for a possible why: posted by Posted by: Refinnejenna | Oct 18 2023 22:38 utc | 23 https://tinyurl.com/ym56cep7..<=I made the link smaller. .. the content of the link suggest oil monopolies need the Palestinians removed at any cost? <=Read the article. <=apparently Egyptian oil is unacceptable competition to the Israeli vested oil monopolies; Is Netanyohu well connected? Quote from the link "The EMG gas deal [in Israel] is the gas companies’ natural next step: quash any competition before it ripens." and the other thing is the massive off shore to Gaza massive off shore gas and oil discovery is un accessible to the Israeli gas monopoly if the Palestinians remain in Gaza. Hence move them out. Three carriers in Mediterranean there to transport the Gazians out of Gazia? Posted by: bevin | Oct 18 2023 23:15 utc | 252 "...What these past 12 days have demonstrated more than anything else, is the inability of the US to be a world leader." <= the USA has never been a world leader, it is a government, governments are functionless non human. Likely, its politicians, who direct the awesome forces of government in accord to the wishes of the City of London and the city of London and its off shore assets likely host the global deep state IMO. quote from link Posted by: bevin | Oct 18 2023 23:16 utc | 254 https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-us-middle-east-policy-wheels-coming-off-cart
“The US [Is noble energy important? see link above.] not only gave the brightest of green lights to a bombing campaign aimed at pushing more than one million people in the northern half of the Gaza Strip down towards the Egyptian border. It not only gave Israel JDAM bombs and several thousand 155mm artillery rounds, according to defence officials.
It also, according to multiple credible reports, tried initially to persuade Egypt to take one million refugees from Gaza. Al Akhbar first reported that the US tried to coordinate with the UN and “international organisations receiving EU funding” to persuade Cairo to open Rafah. A bribe was of course involved.”
Posted by: Ed | Oct 18 2023 23:54 utc | 280
Hamas was under strict orders not to hurt civilians, but only to take hostages for negotiations.
<=My point is the nation state leaders do no commit the awesome powers of the nation states they control unless and until private economic interest request it. B its time to dig deeper into the reason for this "dispose of the people in Gaza war" .. You were very slow to pick up on the vaccination scam..

Posted by: snake | Oct 19 2023 10:08 utc | 746

391
„…persuade Cairo to open Rafah“
Same playbook like with the krajina serbs & serbs from Kosovo!
Democratic ethnic cleansing western partners style

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 19 2023 10:16 utc | 747

391
„…persuade Cairo to open Rafah“
Same playbook like with the krajina serbs & serbs from Kosovo!
Democratic ethnic cleansing western partners style

Posted by: SlowSoft | Oct 19 2023 10:16 utc | 748

John Helmer’s latest: ‘In the Corridors of Power…’
https://johnhelmer.net/in-the-corridors-of-power-the-us-and-israel-are-daring-russia-china-and-the-world-to-go-to-war-to-save-arab-palestine/
“It comes to this now, again. Call it a repeat of the SS ultimatum to the Warsaw Ghetto of April 1943 – evacuate and we’ll give you a small chance of surviving, or stay and we’ll kill you for certain.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2023 10:17 utc | 749

John Helmer’s latest: ‘In the Corridors of Power…’
https://johnhelmer.net/in-the-corridors-of-power-the-us-and-israel-are-daring-russia-china-and-the-world-to-go-to-war-to-save-arab-palestine/
“It comes to this now, again. Call it a repeat of the SS ultimatum to the Warsaw Ghetto of April 1943 – evacuate and we’ll give you a small chance of surviving, or stay and we’ll kill you for certain.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Oct 19 2023 10:17 utc | 750

What is notable, apart from China selling, is that China’s total US debt holdings is about ~$800 billions.
Huge numbers are hard to conceptualize. But it is easy to see that China’s total Treasury holding is less than the USA plans to (and must) sell in the next three months.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:10 utc | 374

De-dollarization is moving at a shockingly fast pace now. Surprised, I thought Washington wouldn’t see any real negative effects until 2025-27. but, the 30 year just hit 5%.
That’s directly contrary to USD as safe haven investment theme. Interest rates should be dropping given the uncertainty in the Levant.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 10:31 utc | 751

What is notable, apart from China selling, is that China’s total US debt holdings is about ~$800 billions.
Huge numbers are hard to conceptualize. But it is easy to see that China’s total Treasury holding is less than the USA plans to (and must) sell in the next three months.
Posted by: too scents | Oct 19 2023 7:10 utc | 374

De-dollarization is moving at a shockingly fast pace now. Surprised, I thought Washington wouldn’t see any real negative effects until 2025-27. but, the 30 year just hit 5%.
That’s directly contrary to USD as safe haven investment theme. Interest rates should be dropping given the uncertainty in the Levant.

Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 10:31 utc | 752

DunGroanin @377
Thank you for that link. Bassem Youssef really did make Piers Morgan look like a hypocritical ass, and seemingly without even trying.
It is a bad time to be hasbara or part of their cheer squad. People are not buying their victim narrative so easily anymore.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2023 10:54 utc | 753

DunGroanin @377
Thank you for that link. Bassem Youssef really did make Piers Morgan look like a hypocritical ass, and seemingly without even trying.
It is a bad time to be hasbara or part of their cheer squad. People are not buying their victim narrative so easily anymore.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2023 10:54 utc | 754

On the board with Qatar and the MB is definitely the French gov. One minister said on Oct 8th while Gaza was carpet bombed that “we should not import the conflict” .. as if any comparison was possible. Now another Macron’s minister says that “violence against the police is equivalent to violence against the jews”.
Disgusting manipulations that explain why Israhell was allowed to keep bombing Syria any time it wanted to. Western Europe has turned totally orwellian. Look at the guy interviewed by Piers after Bassam Youssef who present himself by comparing his IQ to that of his best friend and columnist B. Shapiro. They are ready for a chip apparently. I am not.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 19 2023 11:10 utc | 755

On the board with Qatar and the MB is definitely the French gov. One minister said on Oct 8th while Gaza was carpet bombed that “we should not import the conflict” .. as if any comparison was possible. Now another Macron’s minister says that “violence against the police is equivalent to violence against the jews”.
Disgusting manipulations that explain why Israhell was allowed to keep bombing Syria any time it wanted to. Western Europe has turned totally orwellian. Look at the guy interviewed by Piers after Bassam Youssef who present himself by comparing his IQ to that of his best friend and columnist B. Shapiro. They are ready for a chip apparently. I am not.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 19 2023 11:10 utc | 756

I’m so far behind on the comments, I apologize if I just repeat what others have already posted. After watching coverage from Al Jazeera and the New York Post, I am convinced – in my totally uneducated opinion – that the US embassy in Beirut was hit by a missile. It ain’t no Molotov cocktail or stones that cause a blaze and damage like that!?! Rules of engagement per Hezbollah: equal measure, right? Military targets, correct? Did the missile into the Gaza hospital come from the 43 acre complex of the US embassy in Beirut??
Because of Macron’s response, and a general desire to duck just below the threshold for WWIII, I still favour France as the likely fire-r of said missile (with Biden’s blessing, there is no other way). France really wants a pole.
News from Geopolitica analyst in Mexico, Carlos Aguiar. US will suspend sanctions on Venezuelan oil. And Germany is preparing to send special forces into Gaza which I’m sure is completely unrelated to his posts yesterday from Turkey. Speaking of which – my next stop is news from Greece (who should be freaking out well and proper by know, if Turkey is in an expansionary frame of mind).
https://x.com/mujermojito/status/1714789571052060701
https://x.com/Geopolitic_2024/status/1714953309923283181

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 19 2023 11:13 utc | 757

I’m so far behind on the comments, I apologize if I just repeat what others have already posted. After watching coverage from Al Jazeera and the New York Post, I am convinced – in my totally uneducated opinion – that the US embassy in Beirut was hit by a missile. It ain’t no Molotov cocktail or stones that cause a blaze and damage like that!?! Rules of engagement per Hezbollah: equal measure, right? Military targets, correct? Did the missile into the Gaza hospital come from the 43 acre complex of the US embassy in Beirut??
Because of Macron’s response, and a general desire to duck just below the threshold for WWIII, I still favour France as the likely fire-r of said missile (with Biden’s blessing, there is no other way). France really wants a pole.
News from Geopolitica analyst in Mexico, Carlos Aguiar. US will suspend sanctions on Venezuelan oil. And Germany is preparing to send special forces into Gaza which I’m sure is completely unrelated to his posts yesterday from Turkey. Speaking of which – my next stop is news from Greece (who should be freaking out well and proper by know, if Turkey is in an expansionary frame of mind).
https://x.com/mujermojito/status/1714789571052060701
https://x.com/Geopolitic_2024/status/1714953309923283181

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 19 2023 11:13 utc | 758

Hooo… here’s some fightin’ words. From the permanent representative to NATO for Greece, Nikos Dendias on Oct. 11
“I signed today, along with the Minister of Defence of Bulgaria Todor Tagarev, and the Deputy Minister of Defence of Romania Simona Cojocaru, the “Letter of Intent for the extension of NATO’s fuel Pipelines Network towards the Alliance’s East Flank”.
Greece’s footprint as an energy hub is enhanced and the role of the Port of Alexandroupolis is further upgraded. The signing of the Letter follows the Trilateral Meeting of the PMs of Greece, Bulgaria and Romania (on 9/10).”
https://x.com/NikosDendias/status/1712109423747903644
Oct 9:
“@JensStoltenberg has appointed a group of independent experts to support a review of NATO’s approach to its southern neighbourhood. NSA and distinguished scholar, Dr Thanos Dokos, has been selected to contribute to this important work with his valuable expertise and experience.”
https://x.com/GreeceNATO/status/1711339292516065382
Oct. 13
“In the margins of the Defence Ministerial Meetings, Greece, along with twelve other Allies and Sweden, signed a letter of intent concerning Cross-Border Airspace cooperation, with the aim to further contribute to the Alliance’s overall Deterrence and Defence.”
And Sweden!! Photo shows Mr. Dendias seated between the representatives from France and Hungary
https://x.com/GreeceNATO/status/1712732675293827491

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 19 2023 11:34 utc | 759

Hooo… here’s some fightin’ words. From the permanent representative to NATO for Greece, Nikos Dendias on Oct. 11
“I signed today, along with the Minister of Defence of Bulgaria Todor Tagarev, and the Deputy Minister of Defence of Romania Simona Cojocaru, the “Letter of Intent for the extension of NATO’s fuel Pipelines Network towards the Alliance’s East Flank”.
Greece’s footprint as an energy hub is enhanced and the role of the Port of Alexandroupolis is further upgraded. The signing of the Letter follows the Trilateral Meeting of the PMs of Greece, Bulgaria and Romania (on 9/10).”
https://x.com/NikosDendias/status/1712109423747903644
Oct 9:
“@JensStoltenberg has appointed a group of independent experts to support a review of NATO’s approach to its southern neighbourhood. NSA and distinguished scholar, Dr Thanos Dokos, has been selected to contribute to this important work with his valuable expertise and experience.”
https://x.com/GreeceNATO/status/1711339292516065382
Oct. 13
“In the margins of the Defence Ministerial Meetings, Greece, along with twelve other Allies and Sweden, signed a letter of intent concerning Cross-Border Airspace cooperation, with the aim to further contribute to the Alliance’s overall Deterrence and Defence.”
And Sweden!! Photo shows Mr. Dendias seated between the representatives from France and Hungary
https://x.com/GreeceNATO/status/1712732675293827491

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 19 2023 11:34 utc | 760

David Hearst very much agrees w MoA:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-us-middle-east-policy-wheels-coming-off-cart

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 19 2023 11:35 utc | 761

David Hearst very much agrees w MoA:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-war-us-middle-east-policy-wheels-coming-off-cart

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 19 2023 11:35 utc | 762

It seems that there is considerable mounting very hard evidence that whatever happened at the Ahli Arab Hospital was not done by the IDF. Like it or not.
Posted by: McDermott | Oct 19 2023 1:56 utc | 319

Exactly who gave them the airburst mode of the GBU bomb which was used??? Hmmmmm????
Exactly who gave them the plane which dropped it????
Hmmmmm??
If the US did not supply them with planes and bombs, this matter would have been settled decades ago…
Now matters bring us to WWIII!!
AND…..
It’s idiots like you who foment our descent into the abyss!!
If so then why did the IDF phone the parent organization 3 times to tell them to evacuate the place??
You are a CIA/NSA/FBI/MI6 TROLL!!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 19 2023 11:41 utc | 763

It seems that there is considerable mounting very hard evidence that whatever happened at the Ahli Arab Hospital was not done by the IDF. Like it or not.
Posted by: McDermott | Oct 19 2023 1:56 utc | 319

Exactly who gave them the airburst mode of the GBU bomb which was used??? Hmmmmm????
Exactly who gave them the plane which dropped it????
Hmmmmm??
If the US did not supply them with planes and bombs, this matter would have been settled decades ago…
Now matters bring us to WWIII!!
AND…..
It’s idiots like you who foment our descent into the abyss!!
If so then why did the IDF phone the parent organization 3 times to tell them to evacuate the place??
You are a CIA/NSA/FBI/MI6 TROLL!!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 19 2023 11:41 utc | 764

The West was hijacked by a (((Rules Based Order)) – Of, For & By the “Elite” (cough! cough!) a Looo…ooo…ong Time ago
The only question now is the size of the 💥💥💥BANG!!💥💥💥 it “goes out” with…

Posted by: Ivor Biggun | Oct 19 2023 11:43 utc | 765

The West was hijacked by a (((Rules Based Order)) – Of, For & By the “Elite” (cough! cough!) a Looo…ooo…ong Time ago
The only question now is the size of the 💥💥💥BANG!!💥💥💥 it “goes out” with…

Posted by: Ivor Biggun | Oct 19 2023 11:43 utc | 766

<=My point is the nation state leaders do no commit the awesome powers of the nation states they control unless and until private economic interest request it. B its time to dig deeper into the reason for this "dispose of the people in Gaza war" .. You were very slow to pick up on the vaccination scam.. Posted by: snake | Oct 19 2023 10:08 utc | 391
As I said earlier…. It’s the oil!! It’s the gas!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 19 2023 11:44 utc | 767

<=My point is the nation state leaders do no commit the awesome powers of the nation states they control unless and until private economic interest request it. B its time to dig deeper into the reason for this "dispose of the people in Gaza war" .. You were very slow to pick up on the vaccination scam.. Posted by: snake | Oct 19 2023 10:08 utc | 391
As I said earlier…. It’s the oil!! It’s the gas!!
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 19 2023 11:44 utc | 768

The guy that sells the gun, made it easy for someone to shoot someone else, but didn’t force him. Israel alone is responsible.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 18 2023 21:47 utc | 209
This assertion is incorrect regarding Israel-Israel didn’t BUY the gun it was GIVEN the ‘gun’-which makes the US culpable.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 19 2023 11:51 utc | 769

The guy that sells the gun, made it easy for someone to shoot someone else, but didn’t force him. Israel alone is responsible.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 18 2023 21:47 utc | 209
This assertion is incorrect regarding Israel-Israel didn’t BUY the gun it was GIVEN the ‘gun’-which makes the US culpable.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 19 2023 11:51 utc | 770

Posted by: smuks | Oct 19 2023 1:08 utc | 309
The UK had adopted a policy of bombing German civilian centers in the mid-1930’s at the latest. In 1936 the Air Ministry issued a specification for a 4 engine bomber to be used for this purpose, the Short Stirling which entered service in early 1941.

Posted by: Oswald | Oct 19 2023 11:51 utc | 771

Posted by: smuks | Oct 19 2023 1:08 utc | 309
The UK had adopted a policy of bombing German civilian centers in the mid-1930’s at the latest. In 1936 the Air Ministry issued a specification for a 4 engine bomber to be used for this purpose, the Short Stirling which entered service in early 1941.

Posted by: Oswald | Oct 19 2023 11:51 utc | 772

Posted by: Haxo Angmark | Oct 19 2023 3:15 utc | 335

1) the Izzies wipe-out of the 2 Syrian airports severs any significant further Iran military supply to Hezbollah.

So, two airports and it’s curtains for Hezbollah, huh?
You have to be especially delusional to believe this.
Iran has been funneling *missiles* to Hezbollah through *dozens* of overland and sea routes for DECADES, i.e since Hezbollah’s INCEPTION when the Syrian State was essentially an ALLY of the USA.
You do know Hezbollah has FACTORIES making missiles in Lebanon since 2006, right?
If Hamas can infiltrate whole SAM systems into Gaza what in heaven’s name makes you think the loss of a mere two airstrips will be a blockage to Hezbollah?

.
.
.
stay tuned, Barflies…see how right Haxo will be.

BWAHAHAHA!
Aside:
I’m really beginning to feel my age these days as I watch these born yesterday’s who’ve probably never read a book on the issues, never mind a single Robert Fisk article pontificate as if they actually know stuff.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2023 11:52 utc | 773

Posted by: Haxo Angmark | Oct 19 2023 3:15 utc | 335

1) the Izzies wipe-out of the 2 Syrian airports severs any significant further Iran military supply to Hezbollah.

So, two airports and it’s curtains for Hezbollah, huh?
You have to be especially delusional to believe this.
Iran has been funneling *missiles* to Hezbollah through *dozens* of overland and sea routes for DECADES, i.e since Hezbollah’s INCEPTION when the Syrian State was essentially an ALLY of the USA.
You do know Hezbollah has FACTORIES making missiles in Lebanon since 2006, right?
If Hamas can infiltrate whole SAM systems into Gaza what in heaven’s name makes you think the loss of a mere two airstrips will be a blockage to Hezbollah?

.
.
.
stay tuned, Barflies…see how right Haxo will be.

BWAHAHAHA!
Aside:
I’m really beginning to feel my age these days as I watch these born yesterday’s who’ve probably never read a book on the issues, never mind a single Robert Fisk article pontificate as if they actually know stuff.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 19 2023 11:52 utc | 774

Very little in the way of videos and pics on social media coming out of this conflict. Both from the initial Hamas offensive or raid and from within Gaza.
Have read that phone services have been cut off in Gaza so only a few have communication with the outside world.
Very noticeable in the lack of video ect from the hospital bombing.
I tend to go with Paveway and the American analyst that it was a JDAM. Size? not a large blast area, a lot of damage to vehicles at the center of the blast then mostly fire damage outside the central area with very little blast damage. Far less damage than the likes of a Ukraine Tochka with HE warhead.
If that courtyard/ parking lot area is the only strike at the hospital, it seems likely that casualties are less than what has been claimed. I don’t recall seeing large bloodstains on the courtyard paving in the video link by Petri Krohn. From other conflicts, when something like that occurs there is usually a lot of blood. No clothing baggage ect left at the site as is often seen in the aftermath of a strike or bomb that claims a large number of casualties. A thermobaric or fuel air warhead could account for that though out from the central blast area, there would have been injuries due to flying debris.
Just on the evidence currently available, it does seem casualties will be/are far less than what is claimed by the Hamas Gaza side

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 11:56 utc | 775

Very little in the way of videos and pics on social media coming out of this conflict. Both from the initial Hamas offensive or raid and from within Gaza.
Have read that phone services have been cut off in Gaza so only a few have communication with the outside world.
Very noticeable in the lack of video ect from the hospital bombing.
I tend to go with Paveway and the American analyst that it was a JDAM. Size? not a large blast area, a lot of damage to vehicles at the center of the blast then mostly fire damage outside the central area with very little blast damage. Far less damage than the likes of a Ukraine Tochka with HE warhead.
If that courtyard/ parking lot area is the only strike at the hospital, it seems likely that casualties are less than what has been claimed. I don’t recall seeing large bloodstains on the courtyard paving in the video link by Petri Krohn. From other conflicts, when something like that occurs there is usually a lot of blood. No clothing baggage ect left at the site as is often seen in the aftermath of a strike or bomb that claims a large number of casualties. A thermobaric or fuel air warhead could account for that though out from the central blast area, there would have been injuries due to flying debris.
Just on the evidence currently available, it does seem casualties will be/are far less than what is claimed by the Hamas Gaza side

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 11:56 utc | 776

Adding to my 408
The collapsed hospital, people buried under rubble as initial reports had us believe? The video linked by Petri Krohn did a 360 degree pan of the area. A there was a collapsed build, even major damage to a building due to that blast, then the camera would also have panned that.
Due to that last fact, I can only conclude that there is some degree of bullshit/exaggeration coming out of Gaza.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 12:07 utc | 777

Adding to my 408
The collapsed hospital, people buried under rubble as initial reports had us believe? The video linked by Petri Krohn did a 360 degree pan of the area. A there was a collapsed build, even major damage to a building due to that blast, then the camera would also have panned that.
Due to that last fact, I can only conclude that there is some degree of bullshit/exaggeration coming out of Gaza.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 12:07 utc | 778

So we’re getting fixated with the ‘hospital incident’ as if that is *the* pivotal moment here. For fuck’s sake people, does your support or condemnation of one side or the other depend on this event? Thousands of civilian lives have and are being snuffed out by cold-blooded air-delivered ordinance supplied by USA and this is the norm for decades now, but some people have only just noticed? Seriously?????
Clearly the zionist experiment is a racist shitshow endeavor and has been since before the self-declared Israel appeared.
If you are still on the fence at this stage and think a hospital bombing will sway minds this way or that then good for you…
I preferred it when we were arguing about how any angels could dance on the head of a pin.

Posted by: irish al | Oct 19 2023 12:11 utc | 779

So we’re getting fixated with the ‘hospital incident’ as if that is *the* pivotal moment here. For fuck’s sake people, does your support or condemnation of one side or the other depend on this event? Thousands of civilian lives have and are being snuffed out by cold-blooded air-delivered ordinance supplied by USA and this is the norm for decades now, but some people have only just noticed? Seriously?????
Clearly the zionist experiment is a racist shitshow endeavor and has been since before the self-declared Israel appeared.
If you are still on the fence at this stage and think a hospital bombing will sway minds this way or that then good for you…
I preferred it when we were arguing about how any angels could dance on the head of a pin.

Posted by: irish al | Oct 19 2023 12:11 utc | 780

irish al | Oct 19 2023 12:11 utc | 410
The hospital strike has brought millions of Muslims around the world out into the streets and signing up to join their military. It is a major event. And that is on top of how the muslim world felt prior to the hospital strike.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 12:19 utc | 781

irish al | Oct 19 2023 12:11 utc | 410
The hospital strike has brought millions of Muslims around the world out into the streets and signing up to join their military. It is a major event. And that is on top of how the muslim world felt prior to the hospital strike.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 12:19 utc | 782

Dante | Oct 19 2023 12:17 utc | 411
The west died with the collapse of the Soviet union. Hubris and decadence set in resulting in lunatics in positions of power.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 12:21 utc | 783

Dante | Oct 19 2023 12:17 utc | 411
The west died with the collapse of the Soviet union. Hubris and decadence set in resulting in lunatics in positions of power.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 12:21 utc | 784

IDF already admitted they bombed “nearby” targets to the American Baptist Hospital, it just so happens that the “nearby” targets were a park and parking lots filled with civilian refugees from guess what? IDF airstrikes on their apartment blocks
Apparently the IDF not satisfied with destroying block upon block of civilian concrete apartment buildings is targeting refugee camp grounds next to hospitals……brilliant!!!
After this cluster then the IDF bemoans the lack of sympathy for their own cause, just incredible, especially when you add the fact that the IDF continues to bomb the Rafah crossing point area, an area where all vitally needed relief supplies – food, water and medical supplies from across the world are now heading for Gaza……….
President Biden delivered the message to Bibi on Wednesday, open the Rafah crossing point……will he act upon it??
Final point ……failed to see any refugee relief supplies headed toward Gaza from Israel, no medical supplies for the wounded at the hospital??? How could this be true??

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 19 2023 12:28 utc | 785

IDF already admitted they bombed “nearby” targets to the American Baptist Hospital, it just so happens that the “nearby” targets were a park and parking lots filled with civilian refugees from guess what? IDF airstrikes on their apartment blocks
Apparently the IDF not satisfied with destroying block upon block of civilian concrete apartment buildings is targeting refugee camp grounds next to hospitals……brilliant!!!
After this cluster then the IDF bemoans the lack of sympathy for their own cause, just incredible, especially when you add the fact that the IDF continues to bomb the Rafah crossing point area, an area where all vitally needed relief supplies – food, water and medical supplies from across the world are now heading for Gaza……….
President Biden delivered the message to Bibi on Wednesday, open the Rafah crossing point……will he act upon it??
Final point ……failed to see any refugee relief supplies headed toward Gaza from Israel, no medical supplies for the wounded at the hospital??? How could this be true??

Posted by: Tobias Cole | Oct 19 2023 12:28 utc | 786

If you carefully look at the statistics of the wars that Israel waged with the Arabs, then except for the first war (for Independence), all of them were fleeting or ultra-transient (up to a week).
But in any case, intense battles of the ground forces began on their very first day. And, as a rule, Israel quickly achieved success.
What distinguishes this war from the previous ones is precisely the fact that it has been going on for the thirteenth day, and the IDF has only been promising (by the way, since its first day) that it will enter Gaza right now and “sweep away” everyone there. And so week gives way to another week (today is the third), and the IDF continues to promise. And this is reminiscent of the show-off of cowardly punks, who, in order to seem formidable.
Apparently, the Israeli command has found itself in a very difficult situation, when it is no longer possible to retreat back, and it is very scary to go forward (you can get “lyuli” and then defeat will turn into a disaster).
And hence the barbaric bombing of Gaza with thousands of civilians already killed. And this is not from awareness of one’s own strength. This comes from understanding one’s own powerlessness. Out of despair. And fear of the future.
Meanwhile, many countries that have already evacuated their citizens from Israel are beginning to do so in Lebanon. Apparently, it was not possible to reach an agreement, and everyone is waiting for a further escalation of the conflict.
The first phase of the conflict in the Middle East has passed, and it turned out to be a failure for Israel. Now Israel cannot solve its problems: senseless bombing is a sign of weakness.
▪️If the Israeli army enters Gaza, it will suffer colossal losses that will be impossible to explain to Israeli citizens. And it would be desirable for them to solve the problem without bringing tanks into Gaza.
▪️But now the Palestinians consider the situation a win-win situation for themselves; without a serious military defeat, they will not negotiate surrender. But Netanyahu can only be saved politically by the surrender of Palestine. A stalemate: we need to somehow start a land war. And losing the war will be a death sentence not only for Netanyahu, but perhaps for all of Israel, because Israel is holding on to a narrow strip of land until everyone understands that Israel is strong, with the United States behind it.
▪️As soon as Turkey understands that Israel has weakened so much that the problem of creating the Ottoman Empire in the south can be solved, this process will be turned on, and then Israel’s days will be numbered. Israel has already suffered reputational losses, and if the situation remains this way, the war will continue when the Palestinian side gains strength.
▪️If Israel cannot defeat Gaza militarily, it will continue to lose the war. The next phase will be even more terrible for Israel. All countries understand this and withdraw their citizens from neighbouring countries.
– Yuri Podolayaka, Journalist formerly from Sumi.

Posted by: ostro | Oct 19 2023 12:29 utc | 787

If you carefully look at the statistics of the wars that Israel waged with the Arabs, then except for the first war (for Independence), all of them were fleeting or ultra-transient (up to a week).
But in any case, intense battles of the ground forces began on their very first day. And, as a rule, Israel quickly achieved success.
What distinguishes this war from the previous ones is precisely the fact that it has been going on for the thirteenth day, and the IDF has only been promising (by the way, since its first day) that it will enter Gaza right now and “sweep away” everyone there. And so week gives way to another week (today is the third), and the IDF continues to promise. And this is reminiscent of the show-off of cowardly punks, who, in order to seem formidable.
Apparently, the Israeli command has found itself in a very difficult situation, when it is no longer possible to retreat back, and it is very scary to go forward (you can get “lyuli” and then defeat will turn into a disaster).
And hence the barbaric bombing of Gaza with thousands of civilians already killed. And this is not from awareness of one’s own strength. This comes from understanding one’s own powerlessness. Out of despair. And fear of the future.
Meanwhile, many countries that have already evacuated their citizens from Israel are beginning to do so in Lebanon. Apparently, it was not possible to reach an agreement, and everyone is waiting for a further escalation of the conflict.
The first phase of the conflict in the Middle East has passed, and it turned out to be a failure for Israel. Now Israel cannot solve its problems: senseless bombing is a sign of weakness.
▪️If the Israeli army enters Gaza, it will suffer colossal losses that will be impossible to explain to Israeli citizens. And it would be desirable for them to solve the problem without bringing tanks into Gaza.
▪️But now the Palestinians consider the situation a win-win situation for themselves; without a serious military defeat, they will not negotiate surrender. But Netanyahu can only be saved politically by the surrender of Palestine. A stalemate: we need to somehow start a land war. And losing the war will be a death sentence not only for Netanyahu, but perhaps for all of Israel, because Israel is holding on to a narrow strip of land until everyone understands that Israel is strong, with the United States behind it.
▪️As soon as Turkey understands that Israel has weakened so much that the problem of creating the Ottoman Empire in the south can be solved, this process will be turned on, and then Israel’s days will be numbered. Israel has already suffered reputational losses, and if the situation remains this way, the war will continue when the Palestinian side gains strength.
▪️If Israel cannot defeat Gaza militarily, it will continue to lose the war. The next phase will be even more terrible for Israel. All countries understand this and withdraw their citizens from neighbouring countries.
– Yuri Podolayaka, Journalist formerly from Sumi.

Posted by: ostro | Oct 19 2023 12:29 utc | 788

@ Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 9:49 utc | 389
Thanks for that further detail on the Mossad/CIA mafios That runs western foreign gn policy.
@ Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2023 10:54 utc | 396
Regarding that pus oozing out of his Whitehall gob Morgan.
Just to confirm that the fat lying FUCK Pierce Morgan is a LYING PUSTULE, here he is proving it. Telling Joan Collins about beheaded babies. That he claimed to Bassem Youssef, he never said!
https://t.me/myLordBebo/10418
The LYING SHIT

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2023 12:30 utc | 789

@ Posted by: Exile | Oct 19 2023 9:49 utc | 389
Thanks for that further detail on the Mossad/CIA mafios That runs western foreign gn policy.
@ Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 19 2023 10:54 utc | 396
Regarding that pus oozing out of his Whitehall gob Morgan.
Just to confirm that the fat lying FUCK Pierce Morgan is a LYING PUSTULE, here he is proving it. Telling Joan Collins about beheaded babies. That he claimed to Bassem Youssef, he never said!
https://t.me/myLordBebo/10418
The LYING SHIT

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 19 2023 12:30 utc | 790

From al Ahram English live
9:30 A veteran State Department official in the bureau that oversees arms transfers resigned this week in protest of the Biden administration’s decision to continue sending weapons and ammunition to Israel as it lays siege to Gaza in its war with Hamas.
Josh Paul has been the director of congressional and public affairs for the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs for over 11 years.
In his resignation letter, Paul said the Biden administration’s “blind support for one side” was leading to policy decisions that were “shortsighted, destructive, unjust and contradictory to the very values we publicly espouse.”
“The response Israel is taking, and with it the American support both for that response and for the status quo of the occupation, will only lead to more and deeper suffering for both the Israeli and the Palestinian people,” he wrote.
“I fear we are repeating the same mistakes we have made these past decades, and I decline to be a part of it for longer.”
In an interview with the New York Times, Mr. Paul said that Israel’s cutting off of water, food, medical care, and electricity to Gaza, a territory of two million people, should prompt protections in a number of longstanding federal laws intended to keep American weapons out of the hands of human rights violators but those legal guardrails are failing.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 19 2023 12:38 utc | 791

From al Ahram English live
9:30 A veteran State Department official in the bureau that oversees arms transfers resigned this week in protest of the Biden administration’s decision to continue sending weapons and ammunition to Israel as it lays siege to Gaza in its war with Hamas.
Josh Paul has been the director of congressional and public affairs for the State Department’s Bureau of Political-Military Affairs for over 11 years.
In his resignation letter, Paul said the Biden administration’s “blind support for one side” was leading to policy decisions that were “shortsighted, destructive, unjust and contradictory to the very values we publicly espouse.”
“The response Israel is taking, and with it the American support both for that response and for the status quo of the occupation, will only lead to more and deeper suffering for both the Israeli and the Palestinian people,” he wrote.
“I fear we are repeating the same mistakes we have made these past decades, and I decline to be a part of it for longer.”
In an interview with the New York Times, Mr. Paul said that Israel’s cutting off of water, food, medical care, and electricity to Gaza, a territory of two million people, should prompt protections in a number of longstanding federal laws intended to keep American weapons out of the hands of human rights violators but those legal guardrails are failing.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 19 2023 12:38 utc | 792

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 12:19 utc | 412
i saw an extremely biased headline/article on yahoo “popular support for Israel spikes between the start of the war and up to just before the hospital bombing”, talk about cherry picking–Mrs Lincoln really liked the play up to just before the assassination.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 19 2023 12:55 utc | 793

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 12:19 utc | 412
i saw an extremely biased headline/article on yahoo “popular support for Israel spikes between the start of the war and up to just before the hospital bombing”, talk about cherry picking–Mrs Lincoln really liked the play up to just before the assassination.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 19 2023 12:55 utc | 794

pretzelattack | Oct 19 2023 12:55 utc | 418
The Israeli’s putting out video of multi story buildings collapsing, entire neighborhood flattened, their statement on the extermination of human animals – nobody can be in any doubt as to exactly what sort of rabid criminals running Israel are.
Even amongst the pro empire establishment in the west, various officials bureaucrats ect are resigning.
In my mind, the Palestinians have every right to push the Israelis back into the sea and let them swim to there next destination.
But I do hate being bullshitted to. It is also food for both Israeli and western Zionist propaganda.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 13:03 utc | 795

pretzelattack | Oct 19 2023 12:55 utc | 418
The Israeli’s putting out video of multi story buildings collapsing, entire neighborhood flattened, their statement on the extermination of human animals – nobody can be in any doubt as to exactly what sort of rabid criminals running Israel are.
Even amongst the pro empire establishment in the west, various officials bureaucrats ect are resigning.
In my mind, the Palestinians have every right to push the Israelis back into the sea and let them swim to there next destination.
But I do hate being bullshitted to. It is also food for both Israeli and western Zionist propaganda.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 19 2023 13:03 utc | 796

Posted by: irish al | Oct 19 2023 12:11 utc | 410
some events become emblems of the greater whole–think of the picture of the little naked girl, her clothes burned off, fleeing from a US napalm attack in Vietnam. now it’s white phosphorous used on children.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 19 2023 13:03 utc | 797

Posted by: irish al | Oct 19 2023 12:11 utc | 410
some events become emblems of the greater whole–think of the picture of the little naked girl, her clothes burned off, fleeing from a US napalm attack in Vietnam. now it’s white phosphorous used on children.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Oct 19 2023 13:03 utc | 798

I’m off to do some shopping, but in connection with b’s astute heading I’ll just recomment a short story by Mark Twain – one I hadn’t read before:
“The Facts Concerning the Recent Carnival of Crime in Connecticut.”
Food for thought 😉

Posted by: juliania | Oct 19 2023 13:14 utc | 799

I’m off to do some shopping, but in connection with b’s astute heading I’ll just recomment a short story by Mark Twain – one I hadn’t read before:
“The Facts Concerning the Recent Carnival of Crime in Connecticut.”
Food for thought 😉

Posted by: juliania | Oct 19 2023 13:14 utc | 800