Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
October 11, 2023
U.S. Plans To Ethnically Cleanse Gaza

This is, presumably, the U.S.-Israeli plan for the Palestinian people in Gaza:

Harry Sisson @harryjsisson – 1:44 UTC · Oct 11, 2023

Amazing: President Biden is working on a plan with other countries that would allow civilians to safely leave Gaza and cross the border into Egypt. This is great news. President Biden is making sure that innocent people don’t die due to the actions of Hamas. That’s leadership.

No, it is not leadership. It is ethnic cleansing, a war crime disguised as humanitarian gesture. It is ethnic cleansing of people who's land has been stolen by Zionist settlers. These people would have no right of return to the homes and land they once owned. People who have been put into an open air prison, who have no access to electricity, water and food and are currently under intense attacks.

Egypt, the only country where they potentially could be moved to, is already bankrupt. It can not even provide for its own people. Two million new people from Gaza, all poor and some of them radicalized, would undoubtedly unbalance the Egyptian state.

Should such a plan be put into action it would guarantee that the resistance axis, Hizbullah and various other Sunni and Shia groups in the Middle East, would step in. They would attack Israel to prevent such a move.

The U.S. thinks it can deter resistance action by threatening to move in with its own forces. That's why the USS Herald Ford, its newest carrier, was moved into the Eastern Mediterranean. Rumors have it that a second carrier will come in too.

But the resistance can not be deterred by that. The last time the U.S. tried to intervene in Lebanon it ended up with 241 dead Marines and had to retreat in shame. Hizbullah at that time was only a handful of men. Today Hizbullah has tens of thousands of very well trained men. Then there are also Iran and Russia:

agitpapa @agitpapa – 12:24 UTC · Oct 11, 2023

As I said in my analysis today of the NATO intervention in the Israeli northern front, it's inconceivable that Russia should stay silent in the face of such brazen NATO overreach. This seat-of-the-pants, unmandated NATO panic move will speed up Russia's pivot from pro-Israel to pro-Arab that started with the deaths of Russian airmen caused by an IAF aggression against Syria and was locked in with Netanyahu's support for the nazi regime in Kiev.

The Russian military has long identified Israel as an enemy state and Putin is now conceding to them, acknowledging the failure of yet another one of his strategies, namely the political use of the Russian Jewish community in Israel via his "friend" Avigdor Lieberman. Russian Jews in Israel are virulently anti-Arab, so Putin tried not to upset them.

Today, however, with Bibi bringing in the full might of NATO to the Eastern Mediterranean to threaten not only Lebanon but Russian bases in Syria, it's no more Mr. Nice Guy. With Patrushin and Shoygu holding the reins of state and a clear and present NATO threat on Syria's doorstep, expect a strong and unexpected Russian intervention in the multifront Israel-Hamas-Hezbollah war.

See also:

THE SILENCE OF THE BEARS – RUSSIA IS REORIENTING TOWARDS THE ARABS

Adding:

Rybar Force @rybar_force – 15:52 UTC · Oct 11, 2023

❗️🇱🇧🇺🇸 The American Embassy in Lebanon is being evacuated. American citizens are advised to leave the country as soon as possible.

It looks like the American leadership will have to keep its word and join the war on the side of Israel after all.

Later adding – Ooops:

U.S. Embassy Beirut @usembassybeirut – 16:23 UTC · Oct 11, 2023

The U.S. Embassy in Beirut has not evacuated and is open and operating normally. Reports saying otherwise are false. For more information and travel advisories, visit our embassy website: lb.usembassy.gov

Comments

on b´s “no right to return”, just a reminder:
Art. 13 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights states explicitely:
“Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country”
It was in particular intended for this very purpose of Palestine – it should safeguard the foundation of a viable Palestinian state or nationhood in whatever form: as non-ethnic Israel for all with equal rights / as a bi-national / as an independent state.
None of this is remembered nor reported today. ITs forgotten but its there, in black and white.

Posted by: AG | Oct 11 2023 18:14 utc | 201

on b´s “no right to return”, just a reminder:
Art. 13 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights states explicitely:
“Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country”
It was in particular intended for this very purpose of Palestine – it should safeguard the foundation of a viable Palestinian state or nationhood in whatever form: as non-ethnic Israel for all with equal rights / as a bi-national / as an independent state.
None of this is remembered nor reported today. ITs forgotten but its there, in black and white.

Posted by: AG | Oct 11 2023 18:14 utc | 202

Hey y’all! Just wanted to swing by and letcha know my late pops, Palestine Paw Pah, visited me in a dream last night. I hadn’t seen him since I was a wee tadpole! He told me that this is the chance for Gazans escape like he did all them years ago. I’ve set aside some room for three refugee families at my 1/4 ranch in Arizona so long as they are white and Christian and not the born loser types. Ribbit!

Posted by: Hoppitey Frawg | Oct 11 2023 18:16 utc | 203

Hey y’all! Just wanted to swing by and letcha know my late pops, Palestine Paw Pah, visited me in a dream last night. I hadn’t seen him since I was a wee tadpole! He told me that this is the chance for Gazans escape like he did all them years ago. I’ve set aside some room for three refugee families at my 1/4 ranch in Arizona so long as they are white and Christian and not the born loser types. Ribbit!

Posted by: Hoppitey Frawg | Oct 11 2023 18:16 utc | 204

Ethnic cleansing is indeed the plan:
A representative of the US National Security Council confirms: we are negotiating with the Israelis and Egyptians regarding a safe corridor for foreigners to leave the Gaza Strip and for aid to flow into the strip
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/67648

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 18:16 utc | 205

Ethnic cleansing is indeed the plan:
A representative of the US National Security Council confirms: we are negotiating with the Israelis and Egyptians regarding a safe corridor for foreigners to leave the Gaza Strip and for aid to flow into the strip
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/67648

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 18:16 utc | 206

Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 11 2023 17:53 utc | 89
My only surpise is why is everyone not hung up on it since it has precipitated war and the total extermination of Izrael’s victims based on Israel’s say-so.
The no questions asked acceptance of these photos allowing peoples’ brainwashed minds to fill in the gruesome details because Israel cannot provide them because they do not exist
Compare that with the explicit photos of Gazan parents digging up pieces of their children from the rubble.
question nothing do as told know what we tell you BELIEVE
WTF

Posted by: ld | Oct 11 2023 18:17 utc | 207

Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 11 2023 17:53 utc | 89
My only surpise is why is everyone not hung up on it since it has precipitated war and the total extermination of Izrael’s victims based on Israel’s say-so.
The no questions asked acceptance of these photos allowing peoples’ brainwashed minds to fill in the gruesome details because Israel cannot provide them because they do not exist
Compare that with the explicit photos of Gazan parents digging up pieces of their children from the rubble.
question nothing do as told know what we tell you BELIEVE
WTF

Posted by: ld | Oct 11 2023 18:17 utc | 208

Duh, ethnic cleansing is the plan.
Anyway:
“The Israelis will launch a much ballyhooed Blitzkrieg into Gaza which, as planned, will quickly turn into a Sitzkeig. No way will the IDF take the casualties required to take out Hamas in the 140 square miles of urban jungle, rife with tunnels and bunkers, that is Gaza.
On Iwo Jima, only 9 square miles, the USMC took 25,000 casualties of which 6,000 were KIA.
No, the job of clearing out Gaza will be “handed off” by the IDF.
Posted by: Oswald | Oct 11 2023 15:57 utc | 3″
The difference is that Israel will just bomb from a distance with utter indifference to civilian casualties. The MSM will continue to affect great outrage and tearful sympathy over Grozny, Homas or Mariupol, but will ignore the West’s far worse crimes in Mosul, Tripoli, Sana’a or Gaza, to name a few.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 11 2023 18:20 utc | 209

Duh, ethnic cleansing is the plan.
Anyway:
“The Israelis will launch a much ballyhooed Blitzkrieg into Gaza which, as planned, will quickly turn into a Sitzkeig. No way will the IDF take the casualties required to take out Hamas in the 140 square miles of urban jungle, rife with tunnels and bunkers, that is Gaza.
On Iwo Jima, only 9 square miles, the USMC took 25,000 casualties of which 6,000 were KIA.
No, the job of clearing out Gaza will be “handed off” by the IDF.
Posted by: Oswald | Oct 11 2023 15:57 utc | 3″
The difference is that Israel will just bomb from a distance with utter indifference to civilian casualties. The MSM will continue to affect great outrage and tearful sympathy over Grozny, Homas or Mariupol, but will ignore the West’s far worse crimes in Mosul, Tripoli, Sana’a or Gaza, to name a few.

Posted by: Feral Finster | Oct 11 2023 18:20 utc | 210

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 18:16 utc | 103
I don’t think it’s ethnic cleansing that is the plan, but genocide according to the current definition.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 11 2023 18:20 utc | 211

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 18:16 utc | 103
I don’t think it’s ethnic cleansing that is the plan, but genocide according to the current definition.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 11 2023 18:20 utc | 212

If true, Biden just got anally fisted by a gorilla, without lube.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 11 2023 18:09 utc | 96
My condolences to the gorilla …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:22 utc | 213

If true, Biden just got anally fisted by a gorilla, without lube.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Oct 11 2023 18:09 utc | 96
My condolences to the gorilla …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:22 utc | 214

@Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 17:46 utc | 87
Apparently the Gaza area was always unconquerable by the Crusaders during the years of the Crusades. So its a tough area with known resistance potential. If one looks at the Houthis in Yemen, they survived no matter all the food and water deprivation and constant bombing by an unopposed Saudi airforce which had both Israeli and US assistance for years. Lots of Yemeni kids did die of starvation though. So the Gazans can follow the example set by the Houthis, seems there are Houthis fighting on the Gazan side already. The people in Donbas had it easy in comparison to the Houthis, the Donbas was at least fully supplied by Russia next door at all times, the Houthis were getting next to no supplies in, NATO warships were capturing lots of the supply vessels Iran was sending to them. I recall one Canadian warship being particularly brutal in this regard.
While it would have been better for Hamas to wait for the West to collapse before taking on Israel, one cannot fault them for wanting to exercise their right to resist. But Hamas did this knowing full well that the whole of Gaza could be wiped out. All that can be hoped for now is that Hezbollah climbs into this conflict is such a fashion as to render Israel unfit for future Jewish habitation. In other words, if Hezbollah destroys enough Israeli infrastructure it is unlikely that the infrastructure can be rebuilt in the current global economic climate so Israel will be rendered unfit for Jews. Only if Hezbollah climbs in properly will the sacrifice of the Gazans be worth it.

Posted by: gT | Oct 11 2023 18:24 utc | 215

@Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 17:46 utc | 87
Apparently the Gaza area was always unconquerable by the Crusaders during the years of the Crusades. So its a tough area with known resistance potential. If one looks at the Houthis in Yemen, they survived no matter all the food and water deprivation and constant bombing by an unopposed Saudi airforce which had both Israeli and US assistance for years. Lots of Yemeni kids did die of starvation though. So the Gazans can follow the example set by the Houthis, seems there are Houthis fighting on the Gazan side already. The people in Donbas had it easy in comparison to the Houthis, the Donbas was at least fully supplied by Russia next door at all times, the Houthis were getting next to no supplies in, NATO warships were capturing lots of the supply vessels Iran was sending to them. I recall one Canadian warship being particularly brutal in this regard.
While it would have been better for Hamas to wait for the West to collapse before taking on Israel, one cannot fault them for wanting to exercise their right to resist. But Hamas did this knowing full well that the whole of Gaza could be wiped out. All that can be hoped for now is that Hezbollah climbs into this conflict is such a fashion as to render Israel unfit for future Jewish habitation. In other words, if Hezbollah destroys enough Israeli infrastructure it is unlikely that the infrastructure can be rebuilt in the current global economic climate so Israel will be rendered unfit for Jews. Only if Hezbollah climbs in properly will the sacrifice of the Gazans be worth it.

Posted by: gT | Oct 11 2023 18:24 utc | 216

Genocide will eventually be done with bombs, but the first step (done) is denying Gaza water, food and electricity.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2023 18:27 utc | 217

Genocide will eventually be done with bombs, but the first step (done) is denying Gaza water, food and electricity.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2023 18:27 utc | 218

Posted by: ld | Oct 11 2023 18:17 utc | 104
I completely agree. And even in the highly puritanical sissified society we live in where Microsoft immediately “lobotomizes” their AI chatbot and then the image generator, ostensibly on copyright grounds, we are still allowed to see gruesome images of Palestinian victims, yet only a scant half second of some body bags on a stage managed western corporate media tour through Israel. Even the uncensored video sites have a dearth of video evidence for what allegedly happened at the music festival and in ostensibly civilian-only kibbitzes. As PeterAU1 points out on the previous page, the videos taken of the vehicles being stopped seem to show military age men wearing semi-uniform clothing and then being bullied a bit. I found one dash cam video of a car trying to escape what is said to be the music festival; it is driving quite fast on a highway and along the driver’s side of the road you can see various soldiers or militants. At one point the windshield cracks, likely due to a bullet or other projectile, and then again shortly after. The car had already begun to slow down and after the 2nd “shot” it drifts off to the left/driver’s side and comes to a stop. We are led to believe the driver was shot and the car crashed (no blood, but that’s understandable given the placement of most dashcams). When I first saw that one, I was thinking to myself “why the hell did this person slow down to begin with?” They could easily have run over any moron who stepped out in front of them traveling 70km/hr or faster. Whatever, I digress.
Just for the hell of it, here’s what I was alluding to at the beginning. This is the level of wussified society we live in. People, private citizens, took to Twitter to demand that the functionality be removed! We are in big trouble.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/microsoft-lobotomizes-bing-ai
https://twitter.com/Transgenderista/status/1709979553685508322 (go figure, it’s a trans-rights clown demanding it be removed)
I think THIS is funny as hell.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 11 2023 18:28 utc | 219

Posted by: ld | Oct 11 2023 18:17 utc | 104
I completely agree. And even in the highly puritanical sissified society we live in where Microsoft immediately “lobotomizes” their AI chatbot and then the image generator, ostensibly on copyright grounds, we are still allowed to see gruesome images of Palestinian victims, yet only a scant half second of some body bags on a stage managed western corporate media tour through Israel. Even the uncensored video sites have a dearth of video evidence for what allegedly happened at the music festival and in ostensibly civilian-only kibbitzes. As PeterAU1 points out on the previous page, the videos taken of the vehicles being stopped seem to show military age men wearing semi-uniform clothing and then being bullied a bit. I found one dash cam video of a car trying to escape what is said to be the music festival; it is driving quite fast on a highway and along the driver’s side of the road you can see various soldiers or militants. At one point the windshield cracks, likely due to a bullet or other projectile, and then again shortly after. The car had already begun to slow down and after the 2nd “shot” it drifts off to the left/driver’s side and comes to a stop. We are led to believe the driver was shot and the car crashed (no blood, but that’s understandable given the placement of most dashcams). When I first saw that one, I was thinking to myself “why the hell did this person slow down to begin with?” They could easily have run over any moron who stepped out in front of them traveling 70km/hr or faster. Whatever, I digress.
Just for the hell of it, here’s what I was alluding to at the beginning. This is the level of wussified society we live in. People, private citizens, took to Twitter to demand that the functionality be removed! We are in big trouble.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/microsoft-lobotomizes-bing-ai
https://twitter.com/Transgenderista/status/1709979553685508322 (go figure, it’s a trans-rights clown demanding it be removed)
I think THIS is funny as hell.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 11 2023 18:28 utc | 220

Moving one, soon two US carrier strike groups into the neighborhood does not improve a military posture for ground warfare. Those of us, young enough to remember, might recall their equivalents on Yankee Station and Dixie station, primarily to interdict the North Vietnamese supply lines, including bridges, trails and sundry troop formations and fortifications.
Absent a Marine expeditionary force which is not part of a US carrier strike group there will be no boots on the ground. Curtis LeMay is long gone and bombing the Arabs into the ‘Stone Age’ does not seem viable.
USN ships carry US flags in two sizes, one ‘normal’ and the other ‘Super Size.’ I figure the latter will be prominent. It looks better on TV.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 11 2023 18:29 utc | 221

Moving one, soon two US carrier strike groups into the neighborhood does not improve a military posture for ground warfare. Those of us, young enough to remember, might recall their equivalents on Yankee Station and Dixie station, primarily to interdict the North Vietnamese supply lines, including bridges, trails and sundry troop formations and fortifications.
Absent a Marine expeditionary force which is not part of a US carrier strike group there will be no boots on the ground. Curtis LeMay is long gone and bombing the Arabs into the ‘Stone Age’ does not seem viable.
USN ships carry US flags in two sizes, one ‘normal’ and the other ‘Super Size.’ I figure the latter will be prominent. It looks better on TV.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 11 2023 18:29 utc | 222

Any actually objective observer can see that Is ra hell could have ended this long ago with a two state solution. There are many countries that exist without violence where two different ethnic groups live peacefully. Canada being just one example. is ra hell chose violence and has been supported by the US and other western countries. Its just an objective fact. Funny how Canada goes from standing ovations for ww2 Natzi to unconditional support for Israeli Natzi openly spewing intent to commit crimes of war and against humanity. The west cheers it on like cheerleaders at a footbal game. Fukin sicko’s.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 11 2023 18:30 utc | 223

Any actually objective observer can see that Is ra hell could have ended this long ago with a two state solution. There are many countries that exist without violence where two different ethnic groups live peacefully. Canada being just one example. is ra hell chose violence and has been supported by the US and other western countries. Its just an objective fact. Funny how Canada goes from standing ovations for ww2 Natzi to unconditional support for Israeli Natzi openly spewing intent to commit crimes of war and against humanity. The west cheers it on like cheerleaders at a footbal game. Fukin sicko’s.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 11 2023 18:30 utc | 224

gT | Oct 11 2023 18:24 utc | 108
Various local groups stepping in will help, but to fully resolve the issue, we have to look at it terms of great power conflict and escalation that could turn this into direct great power conflict rather than proxy/hybrid.
Putin’s philosophy is to never corner a rat. In this world where direct great power conflict means nukes, that sounds like a good philosophy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 18:32 utc | 225

gT | Oct 11 2023 18:24 utc | 108
Various local groups stepping in will help, but to fully resolve the issue, we have to look at it terms of great power conflict and escalation that could turn this into direct great power conflict rather than proxy/hybrid.
Putin’s philosophy is to never corner a rat. In this world where direct great power conflict means nukes, that sounds like a good philosophy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 18:32 utc | 226

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 11 2023 18:29 utc | 111
Now they are saying Navy SEAL teams are being called up to do hostage rescue missions (Americans supposedly) in Gaza. What could go wrong…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12617253/seal-team-six-delta-force-israel-hostages.html (Take Daily Mail with a big grain of salt, of course)

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 11 2023 18:32 utc | 227

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 11 2023 18:29 utc | 111
Now they are saying Navy SEAL teams are being called up to do hostage rescue missions (Americans supposedly) in Gaza. What could go wrong…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12617253/seal-team-six-delta-force-israel-hostages.html (Take Daily Mail with a big grain of salt, of course)

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 11 2023 18:32 utc | 228

Any actually objective observer can see that Is ra hell could have ended this long ago with a two state solution.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 11 2023 18:30 utc | 112
If all that was wanted was a small piece of land to house a peaceful nation, then yes.
However that was not what was wanted.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:37 utc | 229

Any actually objective observer can see that Is ra hell could have ended this long ago with a two state solution.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Oct 11 2023 18:30 utc | 112
If all that was wanted was a small piece of land to house a peaceful nation, then yes.
However that was not what was wanted.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:37 utc | 230

It is getting harder to keep things apart
According to Israeli sources, Ukrainian President Zelensky is considering the possibility of a “solidarity visit” to Israel
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/67658

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 18:37 utc | 231

It is getting harder to keep things apart
According to Israeli sources, Ukrainian President Zelensky is considering the possibility of a “solidarity visit” to Israel
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/67658

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 18:37 utc | 232

But they can come to Germany from Egypt, after all they are politically persecuted.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Oct 11 2023 18:40 utc | 233

But they can come to Germany from Egypt, after all they are politically persecuted.

Posted by: Oliver Krug | Oct 11 2023 18:40 utc | 234

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 11 2023 16:55 utc | 55
It has occurred to me that the IDFs profligate use of ammo now may serve them very poorly as time goes on. And that may be a part of their enemies plan, as it is very predictable.
There has ben talk of ammo shortages in the West and the difficulty and long term process of ramping up production.
Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 17:15 utc | 68
Um, no.
Hezbollah fighters are very difficult to locate, distributed as they are among the hills and valleys of Southern Lebanon.

Um, it does not matter. They will bomb their civilian infrastructure, their base of support in South Lebanon somewhat like the US did in North Korea during the Korean war. I bet they are a majority of Lebanese would like to see Hezbollahs power evaportate although that is unlikely.
Getting the fighters will be a slow and costly process as they expose themselves. No doubt, it will be very costly for both sides.
Hezbollah definitely has the power to do some serious damage to Israeli infrastucture so there may be what we call a “Mexican standoff” with some small virtue signaling attacks to save face for Hezbollah.
Time will tell, all we can do is speculate about the future base on some limtied experience and knowlege. Old age helps.

Posted by: circumspect | Oct 11 2023 18:41 utc | 235

Posted by: Bemildred | Oct 11 2023 16:55 utc | 55
It has occurred to me that the IDFs profligate use of ammo now may serve them very poorly as time goes on. And that may be a part of their enemies plan, as it is very predictable.
There has ben talk of ammo shortages in the West and the difficulty and long term process of ramping up production.
Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 17:15 utc | 68
Um, no.
Hezbollah fighters are very difficult to locate, distributed as they are among the hills and valleys of Southern Lebanon.

Um, it does not matter. They will bomb their civilian infrastructure, their base of support in South Lebanon somewhat like the US did in North Korea during the Korean war. I bet they are a majority of Lebanese would like to see Hezbollahs power evaportate although that is unlikely.
Getting the fighters will be a slow and costly process as they expose themselves. No doubt, it will be very costly for both sides.
Hezbollah definitely has the power to do some serious damage to Israeli infrastucture so there may be what we call a “Mexican standoff” with some small virtue signaling attacks to save face for Hezbollah.
Time will tell, all we can do is speculate about the future base on some limtied experience and knowlege. Old age helps.

Posted by: circumspect | Oct 11 2023 18:41 utc | 236

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 18:32 utc | 113
Al Houthi and the Iraqi resistance forces announced their willingness to send fighters to Palestine.
The only problem is how to get them there in time – the distance seems insurmountable (unless they’re given free passage through Syria into Lebanon and Lebanon agrees to act as a staging ground – or they attack from Syria across the Golan)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:42 utc | 237

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 18:32 utc | 113
Al Houthi and the Iraqi resistance forces announced their willingness to send fighters to Palestine.
The only problem is how to get them there in time – the distance seems insurmountable (unless they’re given free passage through Syria into Lebanon and Lebanon agrees to act as a staging ground – or they attack from Syria across the Golan)

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:42 utc | 238

You can rage and shake your fists all you want, but what’s going to be, is what’s going to be.
Perhaps a brief moment on the lighter side to induce some perspective.
“the political use of the Russian Jewish community in Israel via his “friend” Avigdor Lieberman. ”
“Hi. This is Sarah Palin. Is Senator Lieberman in?”
“No, governor. This is Yom Kippur.”
“Well, hello, Yom. Can I leave a message?”
I know, 2 different chaps.. but did it make you smile?
….
And Caribou Barbie might well have sat in the 2nd chair where Kamala now sits, heir apparent to the Throne currently occupied by an octogenarian with a history of falling down.
Considering the totality of events, one has to wonder if those who wrote the Terminator movie which introduced Skynet received their vision in a drug induced state or were they modern day prophets?

Posted by: bubbles | Oct 11 2023 18:42 utc | 239

You can rage and shake your fists all you want, but what’s going to be, is what’s going to be.
Perhaps a brief moment on the lighter side to induce some perspective.
“the political use of the Russian Jewish community in Israel via his “friend” Avigdor Lieberman. ”
“Hi. This is Sarah Palin. Is Senator Lieberman in?”
“No, governor. This is Yom Kippur.”
“Well, hello, Yom. Can I leave a message?”
I know, 2 different chaps.. but did it make you smile?
….
And Caribou Barbie might well have sat in the 2nd chair where Kamala now sits, heir apparent to the Throne currently occupied by an octogenarian with a history of falling down.
Considering the totality of events, one has to wonder if those who wrote the Terminator movie which introduced Skynet received their vision in a drug induced state or were they modern day prophets?

Posted by: bubbles | Oct 11 2023 18:42 utc | 240

The Yinon Plan
All the land between the Nile and the Euphrates rivers are belong to me.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 11 2023 18:43 utc | 241

The Yinon Plan
All the land between the Nile and the Euphrates rivers are belong to me.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 11 2023 18:43 utc | 242

According to Israeli sources, Ukrainian President Zelensky is considering the possibility of a “solidarity visit” to Israel
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 18:37 utc | 116
Hope he makes a visit to just the right spot along the fence …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:43 utc | 243

According to Israeli sources, Ukrainian President Zelensky is considering the possibility of a “solidarity visit” to Israel
Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 18:37 utc | 116
Hope he makes a visit to just the right spot along the fence …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:43 utc | 244

Green screen visits are the safest.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 11 2023 18:46 utc | 245

Green screen visits are the safest.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | Oct 11 2023 18:46 utc | 246

„In a personal Telegram post, Krutikov spelled out the consensus of Russian military staff thinking at present: “
1. The IDF and the Mossad were completely unprepared. There is no primary protection system, the garrisons of the border posts were fast asleep on Saturday on the [Simchat Torah religious] holiday. The Arabs on foot, slowly, reached the unguarded positions of the Jews. The very idea of these posts was nonsense.
2. They don’t know what drones, air defence systems and all of this are at all. The Iron Dome is a fiction. They’ve been living in some kind of fantasy world for the last few years.
3. Everything about Israel is a myth. There is no such defence system, there is no such intelligence. Their PR is solid.
4. Either the Arabs were trained in a special way, or they somehow unexpectedly evolved into a new form of life. The operation was planned for at least a year, taking into account all the new trends…
5. A huge amount of weapons from the Arabs could not fall from the sky. How did it get there? again, we convey our warmest greetings to the Israeli mother of intelligence.
6. Tactical training is completely absent. As well as the vaunted patriotism.
7. Exceptional cruelty is a sign not only of this region. God is dead, including the Jewish God.
8. Where else will catch fire?”
In a last line intended to be an ironic echo of the Orthodox Jewish belief in the apocalypse, Krutikov wrote: “Truly, the last days are coming.”
https://johnhelmer.net/the-silence-of-the-bears-russia-is-reorienting-towards-the-arabs/
I start o believe in simply hubris and arrogance on Isr. side. Paired with over reliance on tech and beliefing your own lies and myths this more and more looks like a colossal fuck up. Bibi is only following the golden rule of political economy: „never let a good crisis go to waste“ (clearing GAZA and get rid of the hardcore settler freaks in his coalition.) And this totaly fits in with early warnings of Egypt. The algorithm did not ring alarm so why believe the Egyptians.
I really would like to get overview about the so called rave-massacre. This really smells fishy as hell espacially after the first reports did not mention any such atrocities. The whole initial offensive seemed to be focused on military targets.

Posted by: El. Lissitzky | Oct 11 2023 18:47 utc | 247

„In a personal Telegram post, Krutikov spelled out the consensus of Russian military staff thinking at present: “
1. The IDF and the Mossad were completely unprepared. There is no primary protection system, the garrisons of the border posts were fast asleep on Saturday on the [Simchat Torah religious] holiday. The Arabs on foot, slowly, reached the unguarded positions of the Jews. The very idea of these posts was nonsense.
2. They don’t know what drones, air defence systems and all of this are at all. The Iron Dome is a fiction. They’ve been living in some kind of fantasy world for the last few years.
3. Everything about Israel is a myth. There is no such defence system, there is no such intelligence. Their PR is solid.
4. Either the Arabs were trained in a special way, or they somehow unexpectedly evolved into a new form of life. The operation was planned for at least a year, taking into account all the new trends…
5. A huge amount of weapons from the Arabs could not fall from the sky. How did it get there? again, we convey our warmest greetings to the Israeli mother of intelligence.
6. Tactical training is completely absent. As well as the vaunted patriotism.
7. Exceptional cruelty is a sign not only of this region. God is dead, including the Jewish God.
8. Where else will catch fire?”
In a last line intended to be an ironic echo of the Orthodox Jewish belief in the apocalypse, Krutikov wrote: “Truly, the last days are coming.”
https://johnhelmer.net/the-silence-of-the-bears-russia-is-reorienting-towards-the-arabs/
I start o believe in simply hubris and arrogance on Isr. side. Paired with over reliance on tech and beliefing your own lies and myths this more and more looks like a colossal fuck up. Bibi is only following the golden rule of political economy: „never let a good crisis go to waste“ (clearing GAZA and get rid of the hardcore settler freaks in his coalition.) And this totaly fits in with early warnings of Egypt. The algorithm did not ring alarm so why believe the Egyptians.
I really would like to get overview about the so called rave-massacre. This really smells fishy as hell espacially after the first reports did not mention any such atrocities. The whole initial offensive seemed to be focused on military targets.

Posted by: El. Lissitzky | Oct 11 2023 18:47 utc | 248

Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:42 utc | 119
Had a look at a map for a bit of a refresher. Saudi Arabia possibly a problem for Houthis to transit through. Jordan and Egypt probably ok and they can be reached via the red sea.
When it comes to current Gaza events, I suspect few muslim countries would hinder transit of those going to help.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 18:50 utc | 249

Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 18:42 utc | 119
Had a look at a map for a bit of a refresher. Saudi Arabia possibly a problem for Houthis to transit through. Jordan and Egypt probably ok and they can be reached via the red sea.
When it comes to current Gaza events, I suspect few muslim countries would hinder transit of those going to help.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 18:50 utc | 250

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 11 2023 4:16 utc | 477
my back crapped out about 10 days ago, if I sit at my desk it doesn’t hurt, anything else even lying in bed to sleep is absolute agony…
Suggestion: find a physical therapist in your area who can give you a set of a half dozen exercises to do on a yoga mat (or in a chair). They will either give you some sheets with the exercises illustrated, or you can download images from the web. After that, twice a day on the mat for about 20 minutes. Expect improvement after 2-3 weeks, recovery within a month.

Posted by: Alchemist | Oct 11 2023 18:55 utc | 251

Posted by: Debsisdead | Oct 11 2023 4:16 utc | 477
my back crapped out about 10 days ago, if I sit at my desk it doesn’t hurt, anything else even lying in bed to sleep is absolute agony…
Suggestion: find a physical therapist in your area who can give you a set of a half dozen exercises to do on a yoga mat (or in a chair). They will either give you some sheets with the exercises illustrated, or you can download images from the web. After that, twice a day on the mat for about 20 minutes. Expect improvement after 2-3 weeks, recovery within a month.

Posted by: Alchemist | Oct 11 2023 18:55 utc | 252

Regarding transit to Palestine through muslim countries.
The mosque incident was at the third holiest site in Islam. Many muslims from all walks all around the world can usually transit through to these sites when the go on a pilgrimage of whatever it is called. Saudi Arabia even at max hostilities between them and Iran still alowed Iranians safe passage to Mecca, though I believe there was one incident where Iranians were killed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 18:56 utc | 253

Regarding transit to Palestine through muslim countries.
The mosque incident was at the third holiest site in Islam. Many muslims from all walks all around the world can usually transit through to these sites when the go on a pilgrimage of whatever it is called. Saudi Arabia even at max hostilities between them and Iran still alowed Iranians safe passage to Mecca, though I believe there was one incident where Iranians were killed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 18:56 utc | 254

Now they are saying Navy SEAL teams are being called up to do hostage rescue missions (Americans supposedly) in Gaza. What could go wrong…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12617253/seal-team-six-delta-force-israel-hostages.html (Take Daily Mail with a big grain of salt, of course)
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 11 2023 18:32 utc | 114
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The raid to kill Osama bin Laden was rehearsed with a mock-up not far from my place in North Carolina. The Seals did so well that, whether they killed Osama bin Laden or not, that Biden got most of them killed off in a later mission in Afghanistan. That would not leave many alive to talk about it.
They will not go in without what the team believes to be a viable plan. Worth noting.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 11 2023 18:57 utc | 255

Now they are saying Navy SEAL teams are being called up to do hostage rescue missions (Americans supposedly) in Gaza. What could go wrong…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12617253/seal-team-six-delta-force-israel-hostages.html (Take Daily Mail with a big grain of salt, of course)
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 11 2023 18:32 utc | 114
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The raid to kill Osama bin Laden was rehearsed with a mock-up not far from my place in North Carolina. The Seals did so well that, whether they killed Osama bin Laden or not, that Biden got most of them killed off in a later mission in Afghanistan. That would not leave many alive to talk about it.
They will not go in without what the team believes to be a viable plan. Worth noting.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 11 2023 18:57 utc | 256

Senator Rubio:

“I don’t think there’s any way Israel can be expected to coexist or find some diplomatic off-ramp with these savages. These are people who deliberately targeted teenage girls, women, children, and the elderly, not just for rape and murder, but for then dumping their bodies off in the streets of Gaza, where the crowds can defile their lifeless bodies. These are just horrifying things, and I don’t think we know the full extent of it yet. There’s more to come in the days and weeks ahead.
“You can’t coexist [with Hamas]. They have to be eradicated. This is going to be incredibly painful. It’s going to be incredibly difficult, and it’s going to be horrifying, the price to pay. But even more horrifying is allowing a group like this to continue to be a viable group operating from a space that they control. I don’t see any other option. It’s a terrible option, but it remains the only option. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2023 18:59 utc | 257

Senator Rubio:

“I don’t think there’s any way Israel can be expected to coexist or find some diplomatic off-ramp with these savages. These are people who deliberately targeted teenage girls, women, children, and the elderly, not just for rape and murder, but for then dumping their bodies off in the streets of Gaza, where the crowds can defile their lifeless bodies. These are just horrifying things, and I don’t think we know the full extent of it yet. There’s more to come in the days and weeks ahead.
“You can’t coexist [with Hamas]. They have to be eradicated. This is going to be incredibly painful. It’s going to be incredibly difficult, and it’s going to be horrifying, the price to pay. But even more horrifying is allowing a group like this to continue to be a viable group operating from a space that they control. I don’t see any other option. It’s a terrible option, but it remains the only option. . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2023 18:59 utc | 258

Posted by: william paul | Oct 11 2023 16:06 utc | 16
The Zionist trolls who came here yesterday have already revealed their plan to ethnically cleanse the locals in the name of humanitarianism, calling it “the least bad option”.
Oh, they came here again and use the same identity card 🤣

Posted by: Colin | Oct 11 2023 19:00 utc | 259

Posted by: william paul | Oct 11 2023 16:06 utc | 16
The Zionist trolls who came here yesterday have already revealed their plan to ethnically cleanse the locals in the name of humanitarianism, calling it “the least bad option”.
Oh, they came here again and use the same identity card 🤣

Posted by: Colin | Oct 11 2023 19:00 utc | 260

@Biswapriya Purkayast
I noticed that all the comments from Larry’s most recent, heavily pro-zionist, article disappeared this morning. A lot of those comments were a lot less pro-zionist than Larry would like, I’m sure. Not a few drew parallels with 9/11, to the point of even suggesting that all is ((gasp)) Not As It Seems with the official 9/11 narrative, and it may be the same with the current narrative.
For what it’s worth….

Posted by: Socratic Dog | Oct 11 2023 19:01 utc | 261

@Biswapriya Purkayast
I noticed that all the comments from Larry’s most recent, heavily pro-zionist, article disappeared this morning. A lot of those comments were a lot less pro-zionist than Larry would like, I’m sure. Not a few drew parallels with 9/11, to the point of even suggesting that all is ((gasp)) Not As It Seems with the official 9/11 narrative, and it may be the same with the current narrative.
For what it’s worth….

Posted by: Socratic Dog | Oct 11 2023 19:01 utc | 262

There will likely be live satellite coverage of such an event if it comes of.
I knew a person attending the last one in some location in Northern Virginia. The White House basement also gets to watch and likely DoD and NSA might have other locations for ‘the show.’

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 11 2023 19:01 utc | 263

There will likely be live satellite coverage of such an event if it comes of.
I knew a person attending the last one in some location in Northern Virginia. The White House basement also gets to watch and likely DoD and NSA might have other locations for ‘the show.’

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Oct 11 2023 19:01 utc | 264

When the world realizes it actually is a campaign of genocide, the zionist state’s days are numbered – and they probably know it.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Oct 11 2023 16:51 utc | 51
Actually openly liquidating a couple of millions of palestinians, with western public opinion and media openly or tacitly supporting it would be a massive power move.
Afterwards the US could credibly threaten most countries with wholesale extermination. Guerilla warfare as a tactic would be blunted since the population base it relies upon could be annihilated etc.

Posted by: Satepestage | Oct 11 2023 19:02 utc | 265

When the world realizes it actually is a campaign of genocide, the zionist state’s days are numbered – and they probably know it.
Posted by: hedlykarok | Oct 11 2023 16:51 utc | 51
Actually openly liquidating a couple of millions of palestinians, with western public opinion and media openly or tacitly supporting it would be a massive power move.
Afterwards the US could credibly threaten most countries with wholesale extermination. Guerilla warfare as a tactic would be blunted since the population base it relies upon could be annihilated etc.

Posted by: Satepestage | Oct 11 2023 19:02 utc | 266

Strange video from the festival, the second one on the page, it is 3:17 minutes long. The site is from a German DJ who was booked there but didn’t go…
https://www.facebook.com/protonica.de?locale=de_DE

Posted by: Aldi | Oct 11 2023 19:02 utc | 267

Strange video from the festival, the second one on the page, it is 3:17 minutes long. The site is from a German DJ who was booked there but didn’t go…
https://www.facebook.com/protonica.de?locale=de_DE

Posted by: Aldi | Oct 11 2023 19:02 utc | 268

Putin and Iraqi PM Sudani both provided their POV during the Plenary Session of the Russian Energy Week event. I’ll first provide the moderator’s into of the topic and question to Putin with Sudani’s response in a separate comment:

Now we will talk about what is happening in the Middle East, a region that for many decades has forgotten about the concept of “calm”. We can see that another spiral of violence is now unfolding in the area of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, which has led to numerous victims. I would like to hear your positions – the position of Russia and the position of Iraq.
If I may, Mr. President, I would like to start by asking you a question. A few days ago, the US National Security Adviser spoke with pride that the Middle East is experiencing a period of calm and pacification thanks to US policy. But now in the Middle East, we see an escalation in the area of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
My question to you, Mr. President: who is responsible for this ongoing struggle, which has been going on for 75 years, and the only occupation in the world that we are now seeing going on there?
Vladimir Putin: My colleague and I discussed this issue yesterday, and it is impossible not to discuss it. Iraq is a country in the Middle East, and the Palestinian issue is in the heart of every person in this region, and I think in the heart of everyone who professes Islam. This is how life has developed, these are obvious things. And all this, which is happening not only now, but over the decades, is perceived as a manifestation of injustice raised to some incredible degree. Why? Because initially, when the decision to create the State of Israel was made, the decision to create a second state was made simultaneously, in parallel.
It was originally about creating two independent, sovereign States: Israel and Palestine. Israel was created, as you know, but Palestine, as an independent, sovereign state, was never created, did not take place due to various circumstances. I won’t go into details now.
Moreover, some of the land that the Palestinians consider, have always considered part of, to be originally Palestinian, has been occupied by Israel – at different times and in different ways, but mostly, of course, by military force.
But what is the problem today? Settlement mechanisms have been established, but the United States has neglected these mechanisms over the past few years and decided to regulate everything on its own, has not used these mechanisms, and in recent years has focused on meeting the material needs of the population living in the Palestinian territories. In fact, they tried to replace the solution of fundamental political problems with some material handouts. Of course, this is very important for people who have a low standard of living, it is important to solve socio-economic issues. But we have always said that this will not be enough: without resolving fundamental political issues, the main one being the creation of a sovereign Palestinian State with East Jerusalem as its capital, it is impossible to solve the problem as a whole. Nevertheless, the bet was made on this.
In addition, the settlement policy, as well as a number of other components, eventually led to such an explosion of violence. What’s happening is terrible. We understand that there is a lot of violence on both sides, but no matter what it is, no matter what level of violence on both sides, we still need to strive to minimize or reduce to zero, to minimize losses among the civilian population: among women, children, the elderly. If the men have already decided to fight among themselves, let them fight among themselves-leave the children and women alone. This applies to both sides.
Whether it will be possible to calm the situation in the near future is unknown, but we must strive for this, because the expansion of the conflict zone can lead to serious consequences, including in the energy sector.
I don’t want to go into details right now. I will give the floor to a person who is probably even better versed in this than I am, since this is the head of government of one of the regional states.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2023 19:03 utc | 269

Putin and Iraqi PM Sudani both provided their POV during the Plenary Session of the Russian Energy Week event. I’ll first provide the moderator’s into of the topic and question to Putin with Sudani’s response in a separate comment:

Now we will talk about what is happening in the Middle East, a region that for many decades has forgotten about the concept of “calm”. We can see that another spiral of violence is now unfolding in the area of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, which has led to numerous victims. I would like to hear your positions – the position of Russia and the position of Iraq.
If I may, Mr. President, I would like to start by asking you a question. A few days ago, the US National Security Adviser spoke with pride that the Middle East is experiencing a period of calm and pacification thanks to US policy. But now in the Middle East, we see an escalation in the area of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
My question to you, Mr. President: who is responsible for this ongoing struggle, which has been going on for 75 years, and the only occupation in the world that we are now seeing going on there?
Vladimir Putin: My colleague and I discussed this issue yesterday, and it is impossible not to discuss it. Iraq is a country in the Middle East, and the Palestinian issue is in the heart of every person in this region, and I think in the heart of everyone who professes Islam. This is how life has developed, these are obvious things. And all this, which is happening not only now, but over the decades, is perceived as a manifestation of injustice raised to some incredible degree. Why? Because initially, when the decision to create the State of Israel was made, the decision to create a second state was made simultaneously, in parallel.
It was originally about creating two independent, sovereign States: Israel and Palestine. Israel was created, as you know, but Palestine, as an independent, sovereign state, was never created, did not take place due to various circumstances. I won’t go into details now.
Moreover, some of the land that the Palestinians consider, have always considered part of, to be originally Palestinian, has been occupied by Israel – at different times and in different ways, but mostly, of course, by military force.
But what is the problem today? Settlement mechanisms have been established, but the United States has neglected these mechanisms over the past few years and decided to regulate everything on its own, has not used these mechanisms, and in recent years has focused on meeting the material needs of the population living in the Palestinian territories. In fact, they tried to replace the solution of fundamental political problems with some material handouts. Of course, this is very important for people who have a low standard of living, it is important to solve socio-economic issues. But we have always said that this will not be enough: without resolving fundamental political issues, the main one being the creation of a sovereign Palestinian State with East Jerusalem as its capital, it is impossible to solve the problem as a whole. Nevertheless, the bet was made on this.
In addition, the settlement policy, as well as a number of other components, eventually led to such an explosion of violence. What’s happening is terrible. We understand that there is a lot of violence on both sides, but no matter what it is, no matter what level of violence on both sides, we still need to strive to minimize or reduce to zero, to minimize losses among the civilian population: among women, children, the elderly. If the men have already decided to fight among themselves, let them fight among themselves-leave the children and women alone. This applies to both sides.
Whether it will be possible to calm the situation in the near future is unknown, but we must strive for this, because the expansion of the conflict zone can lead to serious consequences, including in the energy sector.
I don’t want to go into details right now. I will give the floor to a person who is probably even better versed in this than I am, since this is the head of government of one of the regional states.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2023 19:03 utc | 270

I could’ve told Putin this would lead to the end-game back a decade ago.
I’m sure Russia is prepared for this escalation. There’s no sniveling reason the Russianarmed forces have swollento over a million active soldiers.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 11 2023 19:03 utc | 271

I could’ve told Putin this would lead to the end-game back a decade ago.
I’m sure Russia is prepared for this escalation. There’s no sniveling reason the Russianarmed forces have swollento over a million active soldiers.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | Oct 11 2023 19:03 utc | 272

Posted by: Hoppitey Frawg | Oct 11 2023 18:16 utc | 102
🤣
Perfect satire.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 11 2023 19:06 utc | 273

Posted by: Hoppitey Frawg | Oct 11 2023 18:16 utc | 102
🤣
Perfect satire.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 11 2023 19:06 utc | 274

. . .from The Mirror: As a starter, the Al-Ramal neighborhood in Gaza has been completely destroyed . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2023 19:08 utc | 275

. . .from The Mirror: As a starter, the Al-Ramal neighborhood in Gaza has been completely destroyed . . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 11 2023 19:08 utc | 276

And now Iraqi PM Sudani:

But. Abd El Hamid Thank you very much.
A question now for Mr. Prime Minister of Iraq.
What is your country’s assessment of what is happening in the Palestinian territories? Yesterday, Russia, as one of the permanent members of the Security Council, called for immediate action to stop the aggression that is taking place in this territory. What is Iraq’s position in this regard? You mentioned what needs to be done by the international community. What should the Arab countries do?
:(as translated)M.Sudani Thank you, Mr. President.
Today, the position on the Palestinian issue is not only a political position, it is a position that reflects first of all our humanitarian needs. And this is a legally justified position. The world ignored this problem, and now everyone is wondering how this happened, why Hamas went to this intifada, to resist, because the Palestinian people have experienced years and decades of persecution, oppression, and non-compliance with all internationally accepted resolutions.
More than 70 decisions and resolutions have been adopted by the General Assembly and the Security Council regarding the Palestinian issue. However, none of them, in fact, was fulfilled, including by the Israeli authorities. So what do you expect from a people who have a doctrine, an idea, but their rights are not being implemented?
The Palestinians are a free people, and they are part of an Islamic Ummah of more than two billion people. And so when we see the results, the consequences of this position, and we see that the Israelis insist on using exactly the methods that they are currently using, as a result, spontaneous strikes are carried out on Gaza, there is destruction. At the same time, the Israelis are using all their arsenal, and they openly declare their responsibility for these events. They say that they made the decision to stop the supply of water and electricity not only to humiliate the people who live there, and they even call them words that they don’t want to say – this is an insult to all of humanity.
Today, the international community must openly approve whether there are any agreements, international principles that regulate this situation and regulate the situation in the world, or whether there is nothing at all, and any country in the world can take steps at its discretion. This is wrong. We live in a world where the forces of good need to come together.
That is why, Mr. President, I appeal to you, as the President of a country that is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, to take the initiative for a cease – fire, a real ceasefire and finding a real solution to the Palestinian problem, because we cannot even predict the consequences of these challenges for the entire region. We are talking about the Arab and Islamic “street”, they are just now seething, seeing the events that are taking place in Palestine, the murders and the attack on the Gaza Strip.

Putin adds the following for further clarification:

Vladimir Putin: I would add that the position of Russia that you mentioned, and I have just outlined it, was formed not today, not in connection with these tragic events, but over the course of decades, and this position is well known both to the Israeli side and to our friends in Palestine. We have always supported the implementation of the decisions of the UN Security Council, meaning first of all the creation of an independent, sovereign Palestinian State. This is the root of all the problems. And, of course, everything that has accompanied this problem in recent years, has aggravated it, is settlement activity.
By the way, this does not mean that Israel’s position is that we should do what we are doing, the position of the United States in what I said is to solve only material issues, and Russia’s position is different – to create an independent state. In fact, the problem is more complicated: there are many politicians and experts in the United States who believe that we should listen and follow the path of creating an independent state, and there are such people in Israel. But those who have been trying to solve this problem by force for decades are gaining the upper hand, which, unfortunately, leads to such tragic incidents as we are seeing now.

The entirety of this discussion will soon be available at my substack.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2023 19:11 utc | 277

And now Iraqi PM Sudani:

But. Abd El Hamid Thank you very much.
A question now for Mr. Prime Minister of Iraq.
What is your country’s assessment of what is happening in the Palestinian territories? Yesterday, Russia, as one of the permanent members of the Security Council, called for immediate action to stop the aggression that is taking place in this territory. What is Iraq’s position in this regard? You mentioned what needs to be done by the international community. What should the Arab countries do?
:(as translated)M.Sudani Thank you, Mr. President.
Today, the position on the Palestinian issue is not only a political position, it is a position that reflects first of all our humanitarian needs. And this is a legally justified position. The world ignored this problem, and now everyone is wondering how this happened, why Hamas went to this intifada, to resist, because the Palestinian people have experienced years and decades of persecution, oppression, and non-compliance with all internationally accepted resolutions.
More than 70 decisions and resolutions have been adopted by the General Assembly and the Security Council regarding the Palestinian issue. However, none of them, in fact, was fulfilled, including by the Israeli authorities. So what do you expect from a people who have a doctrine, an idea, but their rights are not being implemented?
The Palestinians are a free people, and they are part of an Islamic Ummah of more than two billion people. And so when we see the results, the consequences of this position, and we see that the Israelis insist on using exactly the methods that they are currently using, as a result, spontaneous strikes are carried out on Gaza, there is destruction. At the same time, the Israelis are using all their arsenal, and they openly declare their responsibility for these events. They say that they made the decision to stop the supply of water and electricity not only to humiliate the people who live there, and they even call them words that they don’t want to say – this is an insult to all of humanity.
Today, the international community must openly approve whether there are any agreements, international principles that regulate this situation and regulate the situation in the world, or whether there is nothing at all, and any country in the world can take steps at its discretion. This is wrong. We live in a world where the forces of good need to come together.
That is why, Mr. President, I appeal to you, as the President of a country that is a permanent member of the UN Security Council, to take the initiative for a cease – fire, a real ceasefire and finding a real solution to the Palestinian problem, because we cannot even predict the consequences of these challenges for the entire region. We are talking about the Arab and Islamic “street”, they are just now seething, seeing the events that are taking place in Palestine, the murders and the attack on the Gaza Strip.

Putin adds the following for further clarification:

Vladimir Putin: I would add that the position of Russia that you mentioned, and I have just outlined it, was formed not today, not in connection with these tragic events, but over the course of decades, and this position is well known both to the Israeli side and to our friends in Palestine. We have always supported the implementation of the decisions of the UN Security Council, meaning first of all the creation of an independent, sovereign Palestinian State. This is the root of all the problems. And, of course, everything that has accompanied this problem in recent years, has aggravated it, is settlement activity.
By the way, this does not mean that Israel’s position is that we should do what we are doing, the position of the United States in what I said is to solve only material issues, and Russia’s position is different – to create an independent state. In fact, the problem is more complicated: there are many politicians and experts in the United States who believe that we should listen and follow the path of creating an independent state, and there are such people in Israel. But those who have been trying to solve this problem by force for decades are gaining the upper hand, which, unfortunately, leads to such tragic incidents as we are seeing now.

The entirety of this discussion will soon be available at my substack.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2023 19:11 utc | 278

Man is Israel getting their values worth for whatever is or whom is on those Epstein videotapes.
Israel: We’re going to commit war crimes, do you listen, we’re going to actually piss on the UN Charter on human rights.
Europe: So it’s your opinion that the weather is nice this time of year…

Posted by: Cato | Oct 11 2023 19:11 utc | 279

Man is Israel getting their values worth for whatever is or whom is on those Epstein videotapes.
Israel: We’re going to commit war crimes, do you listen, we’re going to actually piss on the UN Charter on human rights.
Europe: So it’s your opinion that the weather is nice this time of year…

Posted by: Cato | Oct 11 2023 19:11 utc | 280

Posted by: El. Lissitzky | Oct 11 2023 18:47 utc | 124
Yes, the questioning of the Palestinians’ capabilities in many previous conspiracy theories is wrong (which is exactly what I previously argued against). But it is entirely possible that the death toll is fictitious. These conspiracy theories wrongly tie the two together. And more importantly, in any case, as b says, it’s the natural result of a long period of colonization, enslavement, exploitation, slaughter and provocation by the Zionists. “Now it’s their turn”.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 11 2023 19:15 utc | 281

Posted by: El. Lissitzky | Oct 11 2023 18:47 utc | 124
Yes, the questioning of the Palestinians’ capabilities in many previous conspiracy theories is wrong (which is exactly what I previously argued against). But it is entirely possible that the death toll is fictitious. These conspiracy theories wrongly tie the two together. And more importantly, in any case, as b says, it’s the natural result of a long period of colonization, enslavement, exploitation, slaughter and provocation by the Zionists. “Now it’s their turn”.

Posted by: Colin | Oct 11 2023 19:15 utc | 282

Terrorism? another destroyed word like democracy, gay, and pride. Even Larry Johnson terms attacks against US military and other US government entities a terrorism. The Beirut barrack bombing, the USS Cole bombing exc. All things he described as terrorist acts against the US in a recent interview come under the term/.definition of insurgency or guerrilla warfare.
Terrorism…. market place bombings, rail station bombings – deliberate strategy to target the greatest number of civilians eg soft targets.
WWII, it was Americans that introduced the deliberate carpet bombing and fire storms of entire cities on the Allied side. They used this on Germany and to a far greater extent on japan. With would and paper housing, the firestorms in Japan would have been particularly devastating. Only three cities were spared the convention/incendiary bombing firestorms as they were required as nuclear test beds.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 19:16 utc | 283

Terrorism? another destroyed word like democracy, gay, and pride. Even Larry Johnson terms attacks against US military and other US government entities a terrorism. The Beirut barrack bombing, the USS Cole bombing exc. All things he described as terrorist acts against the US in a recent interview come under the term/.definition of insurgency or guerrilla warfare.
Terrorism…. market place bombings, rail station bombings – deliberate strategy to target the greatest number of civilians eg soft targets.
WWII, it was Americans that introduced the deliberate carpet bombing and fire storms of entire cities on the Allied side. They used this on Germany and to a far greater extent on japan. With would and paper housing, the firestorms in Japan would have been particularly devastating. Only three cities were spared the convention/incendiary bombing firestorms as they were required as nuclear test beds.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 11 2023 19:16 utc | 284

The constant harping of some people about “getting rid of evil Hamas” sounds more stupid the longer one thinks of it:
Get rid of Hamas and a new core of resistance will form, probably from one of the more extreme groups (I.J, Al Qassam, Al Quds forces etc.).
Then what? Justify the collective punishment of Gaza because of their ‘nasty’ terrorist rulers?
Ah, but of course, the Palestinians must choose the right kind of moderate leadership – one that suits the sensibilities of their Western colonial masters.

No. The real problem is not Hamas at all.

The real problem is that the Palestinians have a tough leadership willing to stand up and fight on their behalf. No matter the name, that is unacceptable.
Doesn’t matter if it’s Hamas or anyone else, they’re all “evil” unless, like Fateh, they bend over and take it in the ass from Uncle Sam.
terrorist”. n. : “uppity native”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 19:17 utc | 285

The constant harping of some people about “getting rid of evil Hamas” sounds more stupid the longer one thinks of it:
Get rid of Hamas and a new core of resistance will form, probably from one of the more extreme groups (I.J, Al Qassam, Al Quds forces etc.).
Then what? Justify the collective punishment of Gaza because of their ‘nasty’ terrorist rulers?
Ah, but of course, the Palestinians must choose the right kind of moderate leadership – one that suits the sensibilities of their Western colonial masters.

No. The real problem is not Hamas at all.

The real problem is that the Palestinians have a tough leadership willing to stand up and fight on their behalf. No matter the name, that is unacceptable.
Doesn’t matter if it’s Hamas or anyone else, they’re all “evil” unless, like Fateh, they bend over and take it in the ass from Uncle Sam.
terrorist”. n. : “uppity native”

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 11 2023 19:17 utc | 286

“Putin and Iraqi PM Sudani at Russia’s Energy Week Plenary Session” The conversation extends well beyond the initial Q&As posted above. It’s very clear from the historical record that Putin and Russia’s MFA are correct in naming the culprits responsible for today’s mayhem.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2023 19:21 utc | 287

“Putin and Iraqi PM Sudani at Russia’s Energy Week Plenary Session” The conversation extends well beyond the initial Q&As posted above. It’s very clear from the historical record that Putin and Russia’s MFA are correct in naming the culprits responsible for today’s mayhem.

Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 11 2023 19:21 utc | 288

❗️🇮🇱🆚🇵🇸The IDF is rebuilding the wall on the border with the Gaza Strip.
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/10165

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 19:23 utc | 289

❗️🇮🇱🆚🇵🇸The IDF is rebuilding the wall on the border with the Gaza Strip.
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/10165

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 11 2023 19:23 utc | 290

Yes, ethnic cleansing has been going on forseventy five years.
Avi Schlaim, The Iron Wall, U California Press, 1996, pg 383: Ben-Gurion [was] accompanying us. Allon repeated his question: What is to be done with the population?” B.G, waved his hand in a gesture which said, “Drive them out!” Which is what they did.
Ariel Sharon, Qibya, 1953: “Israeli forces massacred more than sixty-nine Palestinian villagers,[1] the majority of which, two-thirds, were women and children.[2] Forty-five houses, a school, and a mosque were destroyed…The raid was personally led by future Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who at the time was a Major in the IDF and the commander of Unit 101.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre
Sabra and Shatilla Massacres: “Sharon, as Israel’s defense minister in 1982, had overall responsibility for the Israel Defense Forces, which controlled the area of the Sabra and Shatilla camps. An Israeli commission of inquiry found that he bore “personal responsibility” for the massacre and that he decided Phalangist militias “should be sent in” to the camps from September 16 to 18, despite the risk that they would massacre the civilian population there. The militias killed between 700 and 800 people, according to Israeli military intelligence estimates; other estimates were much higher. The dead included infants, children, pregnant women, and the elderly, some of whose bodies were found to have been mutilated.”
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/01/11/israel-ariel-sharons-troubling-legacy
USS Liberty: “The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship (spy ship), USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters…” All Israel got was a slap on the wrist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 11 2023 19:23 utc | 291

Yes, ethnic cleansing has been going on forseventy five years.
Avi Schlaim, The Iron Wall, U California Press, 1996, pg 383: Ben-Gurion [was] accompanying us. Allon repeated his question: What is to be done with the population?” B.G, waved his hand in a gesture which said, “Drive them out!” Which is what they did.
Ariel Sharon, Qibya, 1953: “Israeli forces massacred more than sixty-nine Palestinian villagers,[1] the majority of which, two-thirds, were women and children.[2] Forty-five houses, a school, and a mosque were destroyed…The raid was personally led by future Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who at the time was a Major in the IDF and the commander of Unit 101.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibya_massacre
Sabra and Shatilla Massacres: “Sharon, as Israel’s defense minister in 1982, had overall responsibility for the Israel Defense Forces, which controlled the area of the Sabra and Shatilla camps. An Israeli commission of inquiry found that he bore “personal responsibility” for the massacre and that he decided Phalangist militias “should be sent in” to the camps from September 16 to 18, despite the risk that they would massacre the civilian population there. The militias killed between 700 and 800 people, according to Israeli military intelligence estimates; other estimates were much higher. The dead included infants, children, pregnant women, and the elderly, some of whose bodies were found to have been mutilated.”
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/01/11/israel-ariel-sharons-troubling-legacy
USS Liberty: “The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship (spy ship), USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[2] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two marines, and one civilian NSA employee), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters…” All Israel got was a slap on the wrist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 11 2023 19:23 utc | 292

NATO Secretary General claims that strengthening the US presence in the Middle East is necessary to prevent countries “hostile to Israel” from trying to take advantage of the situation.

Please, someone find me a country in the neighborhood of Israel that is not hostile to it without the good, and plenty of reasons.
The USA is there to protect its forward operating base acting as a country.
No Israel, no need and also no way to be safely present in the Middle East.
However, protecting it with clunky, semi-operating carrier groups and a few tens of aircraft will surely do good for both as they commence genocide.
The only way to inflict suffering is from afar and against Gaza Konzentrationslager, with no real AD, and this is where they are good at, if not excel at it.
This is far from being over and indeed, it didn’t even started yet.
Good thing is that a mass of Israelis from other countries are leaving to Israel to fight.
So it might be a second voluntary pogrom in Jewish history.
The first one was exodus from Egypt and it was voluntary too and it didn’t end up well for them. Didn’t foresee the Romans coming.
Second best development is to have them all in one place and in the middle.
I guess that is what Israeli friendly neighbors are waiting for.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 11 2023 19:23 utc | 293

NATO Secretary General claims that strengthening the US presence in the Middle East is necessary to prevent countries “hostile to Israel” from trying to take advantage of the situation.

Please, someone find me a country in the neighborhood of Israel that is not hostile to it without the good, and plenty of reasons.
The USA is there to protect its forward operating base acting as a country.
No Israel, no need and also no way to be safely present in the Middle East.
However, protecting it with clunky, semi-operating carrier groups and a few tens of aircraft will surely do good for both as they commence genocide.
The only way to inflict suffering is from afar and against Gaza Konzentrationslager, with no real AD, and this is where they are good at, if not excel at it.
This is far from being over and indeed, it didn’t even started yet.
Good thing is that a mass of Israelis from other countries are leaving to Israel to fight.
So it might be a second voluntary pogrom in Jewish history.
The first one was exodus from Egypt and it was voluntary too and it didn’t end up well for them. Didn’t foresee the Romans coming.
Second best development is to have them all in one place and in the middle.
I guess that is what Israeli friendly neighbors are waiting for.

Posted by: whirlX | Oct 11 2023 19:23 utc | 294

Massive conspiracies going on. I don’t know the plan or who in on it but;
1. How did the Palestinian resistance manage to get through all security to start this war.
2. Why is the Palestinian health ministry handing out fake casualty numbers? It’s not possible with all the destruction in Gaza that there are so little dead. The true figure must be at least 5x higher.
3. So many fake videos going around of dead civilians and babies getting slaughtered by Palestinians to justify this unacceptable amount of force being used on a civilian population. This is a fkn disgrace
Something fishy is going on big time. Not to mention us carrier rocks up on the coast within 1 day.

Posted by: Cbftyping | Oct 11 2023 19:25 utc | 295

Massive conspiracies going on. I don’t know the plan or who in on it but;
1. How did the Palestinian resistance manage to get through all security to start this war.
2. Why is the Palestinian health ministry handing out fake casualty numbers? It’s not possible with all the destruction in Gaza that there are so little dead. The true figure must be at least 5x higher.
3. So many fake videos going around of dead civilians and babies getting slaughtered by Palestinians to justify this unacceptable amount of force being used on a civilian population. This is a fkn disgrace
Something fishy is going on big time. Not to mention us carrier rocks up on the coast within 1 day.

Posted by: Cbftyping | Oct 11 2023 19:25 utc | 296

Tom_Q_Collins @ 114

Now they are saying Navy SEAL teams are being called up to do hostage rescue missions (Americans supposedly) in Gaza. What could go wrong

Lots of talk of this in the media, too much, hostage rescue or Navy Seal action is one of those things you find out after the fact. Sounds like an excuse to get USA soldiers fighting along side the IDF.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 11 2023 19:30 utc | 297

Tom_Q_Collins @ 114

Now they are saying Navy SEAL teams are being called up to do hostage rescue missions (Americans supposedly) in Gaza. What could go wrong

Lots of talk of this in the media, too much, hostage rescue or Navy Seal action is one of those things you find out after the fact. Sounds like an excuse to get USA soldiers fighting along side the IDF.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 11 2023 19:30 utc | 298

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 11 2023 18:09 utc | 97
Geopolitical ripples:
Israel-Hamas War ‘Shatters’ India’s Dream; Modi’s Ambitious Project To Counter China’s BRI Jeopardized? By NC Bipindra -October 11, 2023

The India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor was signed into a Memorandum of Understanding between the European Union and seven countries: India, the US, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), France, Germany, and Italy.

Nice framing in that headline.
India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor *never* was “Modi’s project”. Modi might have tried to pull an Erdogan when signing the agreement, but it was the State Department’s stillborn brain child all along.
When will the world finally wake up to see that anything the western “Elite” comes up with is a Billion tax dollar sinkhole, a Rohrkrepierer right from the get-go?
Besides that, I’m happily taking bets that Rocketman is about to open a third front soon.

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 11 2023 19:32 utc | 299

Posted by: Scorpion | Oct 11 2023 18:09 utc | 97
Geopolitical ripples:
Israel-Hamas War ‘Shatters’ India’s Dream; Modi’s Ambitious Project To Counter China’s BRI Jeopardized? By NC Bipindra -October 11, 2023

The India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor was signed into a Memorandum of Understanding between the European Union and seven countries: India, the US, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), France, Germany, and Italy.

Nice framing in that headline.
India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor *never* was “Modi’s project”. Modi might have tried to pull an Erdogan when signing the agreement, but it was the State Department’s stillborn brain child all along.
When will the world finally wake up to see that anything the western “Elite” comes up with is a Billion tax dollar sinkhole, a Rohrkrepierer right from the get-go?
Besides that, I’m happily taking bets that Rocketman is about to open a third front soon.

Posted by: Nervous German | Oct 11 2023 19:32 utc | 300