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October 17, 2023
U.S. Deploys Large Force – Eyes On Syria

The U.S. has recently moved way too many troops to the Middle East to be of peaceful purpose or to simply deter others from action.

Who does it intend to fight?

Arms Airlift to Israel, Bombers in Jordan, Two Carriers: U.S. Deploying More Forces to MideastHaaretz

Last week, the United States deployed the aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford and its strike group to the eastern Mediterranean. The USS Ford carries about 80 combat aircraft, electronic warfare and intelligence planes. It is accompanied by five advanced missile-guided ships, armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles capable of hitting targets inside Iran. According to satellite images, the USS Ford is about 180 kilometers south-west of Cyprus. P-8 maritime reconnaissance aircraft with anti-submarine, anti-ship capabilities are patrolling around the group.

Over the weekend, a second carrier strike group, led by the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, was dispatched to the Eastern Mediterranean and is due to arrive later this month.

Each carrier strike group also includes one or two submarines. Next to various support planes each carrier has a ‘wing’ of fighter planes consisting of four squadrons with 12 fighter jets each.

There is more …

Since the Hamas attack on October 7, the U.S. has dispatched a large number of jets to the Middle East in order to “bolster the U.S. defense posture,” as the U.S Central Command has put it.

A squadron of U.S. F-15E Strike Eagle bombers based in Britain was deployed over the weekend at the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base east of the Jordanian capital of Amman. Another squadron of A-10 attack aircraft has also been deployed there.

An impressive airlift to Israel should be added to this list. According to online aviation tracking websites, at least 11 U.S. C-17 heavy-transport aircraft landed over the past 10 days at Israel’s Ben Gurion airport and Israeli Air Force’s Nevatim base.

In addition to fighter and transport aircraft, two Rivet Joint reconnaissance aircraft belonging to the U.S. and British air forces have been operating off the coast of Israel in recent days.

Each regular Air-Force squadron has 24 fighter planes.

That’s not all yet …

Amichai Stein @AmichaiStein1 – 15:39 UTC · Oct 16, 2023

WSJ: US military has selected roughly 2,000 troops to prepare for a potential deployment to support Israel in missions like advising and medical support. They aren’t intended to serve in a combat role and no infantry have been put on prepare-to-deploy order.

The above troops are probably not really relevant unless they come under fire and get killed. But the following ones are real combat ground forces and not just support:

OSINTdefender @sentdefender – 15:59 UTC · Oct 16, 2023

According to multiple U.S. Defense Officials, the the Bataan Amphibious-Ready Group consisting of the USS Bataan (LHD-5) and USS Carter Hall (LSD-50) as well as roughly 2,500 Marines with the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit are now en-route towards the Eastern Mediterranean from the Arabian Sea, where she will link back up with the USS Mesa Verde (LPD-19) who has Finished her “Mid-Deployment Repair Period” in Spain early and is already steaming across the Mediterranean.

There are also several thousand U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria and on several bases in Turkey and in various Gulf countries.

I agree with Will Schryver:

Will Schryver @imetatronink – 17:10 UTC · Oct 16, 2023

So … a large amphibious assault flotilla will join the two carrier battle groups assembling in the eastern Mediterranean. Many believe this is just “power-projection posturing”. I find that explanation deficient.

This is a war fleet. And Hamas is NOT its target.

Hamas isn’t the target.

On Sunday, in a stilted 60 Minutes interview, President Joe Biden pointed north:

Scott Pelley: Would you support Israeli occupation of Gaza at this point?

President Biden: I think it’d be a big mistake. Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people. And I think that…It would be a mistake to…for Israel to occupy…Gaza again. We…but going in but taking out the extremists the Hezbollah is up north but Hamas down south. Is a necessary requirement.

Scott Pelley: And you believe Israel would pursue [the two state solution] that after what’s occurred–

President Biden: Not now. Not now. Not now, but– but I think Israel understands that a significant portion of Palestinian people do not share the views of Hamas and Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a powerful Islamist militia to Israel’s north which is armed and trained by Iran. Iran also supports Hamas.

Scott Pelley: There’s limited fighting already on the northern Israeli border, and I wonder what is your message to Hezbollah and its backer, Iran?

President Biden: Don’t. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

Scott Pelley: Don’t come across the border? Don’t escalate this war?

President Biden: That’s right.

If attacked Hizbullah, with 100,000 missiles, would destroy Israel. I therefore do not believe that Hizbullah in Lebanon is the real operational target Biden has in mind.

Hizbullah can not be deterred from attacking Israel. If it wants and needs to it will inevitably do so, and do so successfully. It has hidden its forces and weapons either underground or within the population of Beirut and southern Lebanon. Bombing them does not make sense. There is also the fact that the last U.S. intervention in Lebanon infamously ended with lots of dead Marines and an embarrassing retreat from the country. I do not think that the U.S. wants to repeat that experience.

Iran, another potential target, is too difficult to attack. It can effectively retaliate over a large area causing huge damage to any U.S. installation in the Middle East. It could also hike oil prices at a time when the Biden administration is urgently trying to lower them.

That is why I believe that the real aim of this build-up is to finally ‘regime change’ Syria and to kick out the Russian forces who are there to support its government.

Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com – 17:39 UTC · Oct 9, 2023

Israeli warning to Hezbollah: IDF will destroy Damascus, target Syrian President Assad if Hezbollah joins war; US warships will support Israel in war. Message relayed via France (@ynetalerts)

Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com – Oct 9
IDF instructs Israelis to prepare for 3-day stay in bomb shelters/secure rooms, ensure supply of food, water, battery-run devices in case power is down. This is a clear indication of imminent escalation into larger war.

The recent Israeli bombing attacks on the airports of Aleppo and Damascus, disabling both of them, point into this direction.

The neo-conservative lunatics in the White House may well think that they now have a chance to eliminate Russia’s presence in the Middle East.

They will think of this as a revenge for their loss of the the war in Ukraine. They also believe that it will prevent, or compensate for, their geopolitical defeat in Gaza.

Russia is undoubtedly prepared for that. Still, its contingent in Syria is too small. A combined attack by all U.S. forces in the area, more than 150 airplanes, would certainly defeat it.

The question then will be: “What’s next?”

But I for one do not dare to answer it.

Comments

by Man | Oct 17 2023 13:27 utc | 106
They can’t afford for Israel to collapse
They claimed the same about Ukraine.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 17 2023 13:37 utc | 109
++++++++++++
I think there may be more at stake in Israel than Ukraine—from a psychological POV. By which I mean the incredibly powerful fifth column diaspora Jews, especially in the USA. But also Canada, France, UK, and others.
From the practical geostrategic POV it seems to me that Ukraine is more important than Israel (just guessing—it’s probably a toss-up). But Israel represents the whole weight of a century of political and psychological investments. Many of them sub rosa.
The Narrative That Must Not Be Questioned.
It might even be that the downfall of Israel would lead to a new wave of revisionist history regarding the Great War and Versailles, the Haavara Agreement, Zionist terrorist organizations and the birth of Israel, racism within Israel, and a bunch of other stuff that the big Western players and Israel want to keep well under the rug.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 17 2023 15:15 utc | 301

by Man | Oct 17 2023 13:27 utc | 106
They can’t afford for Israel to collapse
They claimed the same about Ukraine.
Posted by: whirlX | Oct 17 2023 13:37 utc | 109
++++++++++++
I think there may be more at stake in Israel than Ukraine—from a psychological POV. By which I mean the incredibly powerful fifth column diaspora Jews, especially in the USA. But also Canada, France, UK, and others.
From the practical geostrategic POV it seems to me that Ukraine is more important than Israel (just guessing—it’s probably a toss-up). But Israel represents the whole weight of a century of political and psychological investments. Many of them sub rosa.
The Narrative That Must Not Be Questioned.
It might even be that the downfall of Israel would lead to a new wave of revisionist history regarding the Great War and Versailles, the Haavara Agreement, Zionist terrorist organizations and the birth of Israel, racism within Israel, and a bunch of other stuff that the big Western players and Israel want to keep well under the rug.

Posted by: Jane | Oct 17 2023 15:15 utc | 302

Avoiding Armageddon
The U.S. must consider encouraging a ceasefire before stumbling into another complicated large-scale conflict.
In Ukraine, Washington underestimated Russian resolve and military power. Washington should not repeat this mistake by underestimating the potential for a regional Muslim alliance that could threaten Israel’s existence. The possibility that Israel could end up like Ukraine should not be discounted.
Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 12:39 utc | 85
I just did a quick runthrough of comments, and I see I’m the only one positing the scenario I have at 155.
I think the jist of b’s repost is that even fools can read the writing on the wall, and the point about ‘avoiding Armageddon’ for religious folk is that we are required NOT to bring it on, as that puts us in the wrong category if and when it ultimately comes. ‘Blessed are the peacemakers’ is right up there where it counts, and you may be able to fool others but you can’t fool God. Even a religious fool knows that.
Thing is, folk are really not thinking straight when it comes to Russia and China on this. It was the US through nato that crashed Ukraine with the help of crazy Nazis, bringing Armageddon into play. Russia, in responding there held back from confrontation, at great cost keeping the SMO an SMO. In that they have been successful in their version of avoiding Armageddon.
I’d love to have been a fly on the wall at that UN Security Council get together.
Again, I could be wrong, but I pray I’m not. Thank you, b.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 17 2023 15:15 utc | 303

Avoiding Armageddon
The U.S. must consider encouraging a ceasefire before stumbling into another complicated large-scale conflict.
In Ukraine, Washington underestimated Russian resolve and military power. Washington should not repeat this mistake by underestimating the potential for a regional Muslim alliance that could threaten Israel’s existence. The possibility that Israel could end up like Ukraine should not be discounted.
Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 12:39 utc | 85
I just did a quick runthrough of comments, and I see I’m the only one positing the scenario I have at 155.
I think the jist of b’s repost is that even fools can read the writing on the wall, and the point about ‘avoiding Armageddon’ for religious folk is that we are required NOT to bring it on, as that puts us in the wrong category if and when it ultimately comes. ‘Blessed are the peacemakers’ is right up there where it counts, and you may be able to fool others but you can’t fool God. Even a religious fool knows that.
Thing is, folk are really not thinking straight when it comes to Russia and China on this. It was the US through nato that crashed Ukraine with the help of crazy Nazis, bringing Armageddon into play. Russia, in responding there held back from confrontation, at great cost keeping the SMO an SMO. In that they have been successful in their version of avoiding Armageddon.
I’d love to have been a fly on the wall at that UN Security Council get together.
Again, I could be wrong, but I pray I’m not. Thank you, b.

Posted by: juliania | Oct 17 2023 15:15 utc | 304

Just a quick update re uk media.
Last weekend we had a all to breaf spell of more balanced reporting.
As i feared now the izzy lobby groups have snuffed it out, and some.
Now were getting random filler programs about how hard done by izzys are complet with sorrefull mood music.
Pass the sick bucket.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 17 2023 15:17 utc | 305

Just a quick update re uk media.
Last weekend we had a all to breaf spell of more balanced reporting.
As i feared now the izzy lobby groups have snuffed it out, and some.
Now were getting random filler programs about how hard done by izzys are complet with sorrefull mood music.
Pass the sick bucket.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 17 2023 15:17 utc | 306

“…there should be no problem moving Divisions to Syria to counter this move”
Nice try, Nazi troll. Ground troops are not what is required to counter the empire’s moves on Syria. Anti-ship, antiaircraft, and antimissile systems are what is needed.
Most importantly, Russia needs to realize there is no deescalating with the Empire of Delusion. It would be wise of them to once again preempt the Empire’s move and strike first, only this time they don’t have a proxy to hit (unless Israel…?). Sadly, there are those among Russia’s middle class who secretly wish to “go West” and make good with the Empire of Delusion (delusions can be so appealing), but breaking the Empire’s favorite toys (aircraft carriers) would forever ruin that dream.
Anyway, there are still plenty of Nazis to kill in the Ukraine.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 17 2023 15:21 utc | 307

“…there should be no problem moving Divisions to Syria to counter this move”
Nice try, Nazi troll. Ground troops are not what is required to counter the empire’s moves on Syria. Anti-ship, antiaircraft, and antimissile systems are what is needed.
Most importantly, Russia needs to realize there is no deescalating with the Empire of Delusion. It would be wise of them to once again preempt the Empire’s move and strike first, only this time they don’t have a proxy to hit (unless Israel…?). Sadly, there are those among Russia’s middle class who secretly wish to “go West” and make good with the Empire of Delusion (delusions can be so appealing), but breaking the Empire’s favorite toys (aircraft carriers) would forever ruin that dream.
Anyway, there are still plenty of Nazis to kill in the Ukraine.

Posted by: William Gruff | Oct 17 2023 15:21 utc | 308

juliania | Oct 17 2023 14:45 utc | 144
Could be. US often does what I call the Micheal Jackson moon walk. They try to look like they are walking forwards while they are in fact retreating.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 15:21 utc | 309

juliania | Oct 17 2023 14:45 utc | 144
Could be. US often does what I call the Micheal Jackson moon walk. They try to look like they are walking forwards while they are in fact retreating.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 15:21 utc | 310

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 10:15 utc | 15
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 17 2023 10:27 utc | 21
Serial production: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-300P_Bastion-P
Sample quantities: https://www.jpost.com/international/article-721516
Swoosh, boom.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2023 15:22 utc | 311

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 10:15 utc | 15
Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 17 2023 10:27 utc | 21
Serial production: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-300P_Bastion-P
Sample quantities: https://www.jpost.com/international/article-721516
Swoosh, boom.

Posted by: anon2020 | Oct 17 2023 15:22 utc | 312

The UNSC resolution exists… now is the time for the Arab street to implement it..
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 17 2023 15:13 utc | 150

Read the room. The “Arab street” has no intention of legitimizing Israel.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2023 15:22 utc | 313

The UNSC resolution exists… now is the time for the Arab street to implement it..
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 17 2023 15:13 utc | 150

Read the room. The “Arab street” has no intention of legitimizing Israel.

Posted by: too scents | Oct 17 2023 15:22 utc | 314

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Oct 17 2023 15:11 utc | 149
TBH, I don’t think Russia is really prepared to fight U$A and it’s peasants in Syria. The Syrian AD is relatively weak after all, still relying on the very old S-300 at best and older systems. The Russian contingent purpose is to bomb terrorists (now mostly in Idlib) and protect Latakia.
Russia and China and Iran should collectively have pumped Syria full of various newer air defense systems, but it might be too late now.
Now, the main objective is to hit Israel IDF air fields and aircraft on the ground with drones, rockets and missiles. After that US only has its carriers and few A-10 aircraft. Unless someone blows up a carrier too. Of course, US still also has its ship and submarine based cruise missiles.
As a response, I’d expect Israel air bases to get hit, and US bases across Middle East including Qatar and Kuwait. Then you have various resistance groups attacking US bases and troops and the thing will end in defeat for the west.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 17 2023 15:23 utc | 315

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Oct 17 2023 15:11 utc | 149
TBH, I don’t think Russia is really prepared to fight U$A and it’s peasants in Syria. The Syrian AD is relatively weak after all, still relying on the very old S-300 at best and older systems. The Russian contingent purpose is to bomb terrorists (now mostly in Idlib) and protect Latakia.
Russia and China and Iran should collectively have pumped Syria full of various newer air defense systems, but it might be too late now.
Now, the main objective is to hit Israel IDF air fields and aircraft on the ground with drones, rockets and missiles. After that US only has its carriers and few A-10 aircraft. Unless someone blows up a carrier too. Of course, US still also has its ship and submarine based cruise missiles.
As a response, I’d expect Israel air bases to get hit, and US bases across Middle East including Qatar and Kuwait. Then you have various resistance groups attacking US bases and troops and the thing will end in defeat for the west.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 17 2023 15:23 utc | 316

After reading Crooke’s last article I’m getting the impression that the 5th column neocons around corpse Biden see Israel as the middle east version of Ukraine. The former it’s bridgehead to control the middle east, the latter into Asia.
They’ve got carte blanche with rubber stamp Biden for now, but it’s tenuous so they feel increasingly pressed for time, which the debacle in Ukraine has only made more intense. It seems they want to ignite wars in these two regions before they lose their rubber stamp to saddle their possible replacements with the situation as a fait acompli.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3238020/china-benefit-us-gets-bogged-down-wars-its-allies
I think the article above is on to something. In fact, I think a significant section (currently in power via CIA Dems) of the Western RC doesn’t really want a war with China.
The strategy may be to exhaust US war potential on Ukraine/Israel to achieve limited military goals that matter most to this section of the western ruling class, for obvious reasons, then use the inevitable anti war sentiment that comes in it’s wake to slow down hostilities with a China that has made it rich and cannot really be defeated militarily. The china trade is too important for this element of the western elite.
They were convinced for most of 2022 that China might swing against Russia to cut a deal with them. I think this crazy hope of theirs springs eternal. They may think if they can drive Russia from eastern Europe and Syria, China will see the writing in the wall and finally abandon Russia to restart the prepandemic China/US economic engine.
This would ultimately be a losing plan, but that’s typical of all factions of desperate dying imperialism.
Again, this is just a hypothesis about one, currently dominant, section of the US ruling class.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 17 2023 15:24 utc | 317

After reading Crooke’s last article I’m getting the impression that the 5th column neocons around corpse Biden see Israel as the middle east version of Ukraine. The former it’s bridgehead to control the middle east, the latter into Asia.
They’ve got carte blanche with rubber stamp Biden for now, but it’s tenuous so they feel increasingly pressed for time, which the debacle in Ukraine has only made more intense. It seems they want to ignite wars in these two regions before they lose their rubber stamp to saddle their possible replacements with the situation as a fait acompli.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3238020/china-benefit-us-gets-bogged-down-wars-its-allies
I think the article above is on to something. In fact, I think a significant section (currently in power via CIA Dems) of the Western RC doesn’t really want a war with China.
The strategy may be to exhaust US war potential on Ukraine/Israel to achieve limited military goals that matter most to this section of the western ruling class, for obvious reasons, then use the inevitable anti war sentiment that comes in it’s wake to slow down hostilities with a China that has made it rich and cannot really be defeated militarily. The china trade is too important for this element of the western elite.
They were convinced for most of 2022 that China might swing against Russia to cut a deal with them. I think this crazy hope of theirs springs eternal. They may think if they can drive Russia from eastern Europe and Syria, China will see the writing in the wall and finally abandon Russia to restart the prepandemic China/US economic engine.
This would ultimately be a losing plan, but that’s typical of all factions of desperate dying imperialism.
Again, this is just a hypothesis about one, currently dominant, section of the US ruling class.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 17 2023 15:24 utc | 318

A big piece of the puzzle is Iran’s anti-ship missile capabilities and how much of that nut is in place in southern Lebanon and usable against the Gerald Ford armada. Google “400 seconds to Tell Aviv” in Images for pics of the Fateh hypersonic missile. That caption can as easily read “401 seconds to the Gerald Ford’s control tower”, after which the hypersonic Noor missiles that I know for a fact Hezbowler has can be used to take out the other warships of the armada one by one; if that’s what they’d want to do.
Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 17 2023 10:36 utc | 25

If Iran has armed Hezbollah with the Fattah, I would imagine all bets are off. This is why I think the US will not engage them directly and that b is probably right in saying the presence of the little contingent of Western neo-Nazis in the Mediterranean is for a potential attack on Syria. Syria did conduct a bunch of military drills over the past couple of days, which I don’t think should be taken lightly.

Posted by: warxism | Oct 17 2023 15:25 utc | 319

A big piece of the puzzle is Iran’s anti-ship missile capabilities and how much of that nut is in place in southern Lebanon and usable against the Gerald Ford armada. Google “400 seconds to Tell Aviv” in Images for pics of the Fateh hypersonic missile. That caption can as easily read “401 seconds to the Gerald Ford’s control tower”, after which the hypersonic Noor missiles that I know for a fact Hezbowler has can be used to take out the other warships of the armada one by one; if that’s what they’d want to do.
Posted by: Nuff Sed | Oct 17 2023 10:36 utc | 25

If Iran has armed Hezbollah with the Fattah, I would imagine all bets are off. This is why I think the US will not engage them directly and that b is probably right in saying the presence of the little contingent of Western neo-Nazis in the Mediterranean is for a potential attack on Syria. Syria did conduct a bunch of military drills over the past couple of days, which I don’t think should be taken lightly.

Posted by: warxism | Oct 17 2023 15:25 utc | 320

anon2020 | Oct 17 2023 15:22 utc | 157
I had forgotten them. mach 3 maneuvering terminal approach. Martyanov believes they have a far greater range than publicly/officially stated.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 15:29 utc | 321

anon2020 | Oct 17 2023 15:22 utc | 157
I had forgotten them. mach 3 maneuvering terminal approach. Martyanov believes they have a far greater range than publicly/officially stated.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 15:29 utc | 322

” Syrian military has also successfully beaten down their color revolution while Saudi Arabia has been fought to a standstill by Yemen.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 17 2023 10:15 utc | 16 ”
I dont want to spoil your optimism but you should propably check out a current map of Syria.

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 17 2023 15:34 utc | 323

” Syrian military has also successfully beaten down their color revolution while Saudi Arabia has been fought to a standstill by Yemen.
Posted by: c1ue | Oct 17 2023 10:15 utc | 16 ”
I dont want to spoil your optimism but you should propably check out a current map of Syria.

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 17 2023 15:34 utc | 324

Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:01 utc | 60
@Peter, that 1970s era of oil prices going from US$2/bbl to US$30+/bbl also allowed more expensive offshore deposits to be economic—UK/Norwegian North Sea and deep water US Gulf of Mexico came online by the early-mid 1980s. Each had a bigger impact than Alaskan North Slope production. Supply-wise, California new offshore exploration had also been shut down after the 1969 Santa Barbara spill. Plenty of reserves still there.
US has also made new overtures to Maduro for Venezuelan crude.
Re Israel—I haven’t scanned comments in a few weeks but what I have read has not mentioned Israel’s Samson Option, about which all players are aware. Destroying Israel is therefore seemingly not an option without impeccable anti-missile defense for Iran and others, or their willingness to accept the devastating results of an Israeli nuclear attack.

Posted by: Ciaran | Oct 17 2023 15:35 utc | 325

Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:01 utc | 60
@Peter, that 1970s era of oil prices going from US$2/bbl to US$30+/bbl also allowed more expensive offshore deposits to be economic—UK/Norwegian North Sea and deep water US Gulf of Mexico came online by the early-mid 1980s. Each had a bigger impact than Alaskan North Slope production. Supply-wise, California new offshore exploration had also been shut down after the 1969 Santa Barbara spill. Plenty of reserves still there.
US has also made new overtures to Maduro for Venezuelan crude.
Re Israel—I haven’t scanned comments in a few weeks but what I have read has not mentioned Israel’s Samson Option, about which all players are aware. Destroying Israel is therefore seemingly not an option without impeccable anti-missile defense for Iran and others, or their willingness to accept the devastating results of an Israeli nuclear attack.

Posted by: Ciaran | Oct 17 2023 15:35 utc | 326

I do not believe the US has any plan whatsoever. They are really too stupid, as seen in the conduct of the hybrid proxy war with Russia. iMO, they are chest beating. Any attack against anyone will be like throwing a lighted matchstick on a gasoline soaked pile of kindling. The results will not be pretty.

Posted by: Moses22 | Oct 17 2023 15:37 utc | 327

I do not believe the US has any plan whatsoever. They are really too stupid, as seen in the conduct of the hybrid proxy war with Russia. iMO, they are chest beating. Any attack against anyone will be like throwing a lighted matchstick on a gasoline soaked pile of kindling. The results will not be pretty.

Posted by: Moses22 | Oct 17 2023 15:37 utc | 328

Russia certainly doesn’t have enough Kinzhal missiles in Syria to accomplish this.
Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:11 utc | 68
There are Yakhonts there tho. 10 year old article says;
“Russia has shipped advanced anti-ship cruise missiles to Syria, a move that illustrates the depth of its support for the Syrian government led by President Bashar al-Assad, US officials have said.
Russia has previously provided Yakhont missiles, as the weapon is known, to Syria. But the missiles that were recently delivered are outfitted with an advanced radar that makes them far more effective, according to US officials who are familiar with classified intelligence reports.
They would only discuss the shipment on the basis of anonymity.
The delivery of Yakhont missiles “contributes to Syria’s overall military capabilities, but specifically it would tend to push Western or allied naval activity further off the coast,” said Jeffrey White, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a former senior US intelligence official.”
https://tinyurl.com/bdd5kb98
There are other articles on the web which discuss Hezbollah having them as well. I have no idea if it’s true but the Syrians do have them. Quantities and technical details can be found in the article above for those who keep up on such things.

Posted by: bubbles | Oct 17 2023 15:37 utc | 329

Russia certainly doesn’t have enough Kinzhal missiles in Syria to accomplish this.
Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:11 utc | 68
There are Yakhonts there tho. 10 year old article says;
“Russia has shipped advanced anti-ship cruise missiles to Syria, a move that illustrates the depth of its support for the Syrian government led by President Bashar al-Assad, US officials have said.
Russia has previously provided Yakhont missiles, as the weapon is known, to Syria. But the missiles that were recently delivered are outfitted with an advanced radar that makes them far more effective, according to US officials who are familiar with classified intelligence reports.
They would only discuss the shipment on the basis of anonymity.
The delivery of Yakhont missiles “contributes to Syria’s overall military capabilities, but specifically it would tend to push Western or allied naval activity further off the coast,” said Jeffrey White, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and a former senior US intelligence official.”
https://tinyurl.com/bdd5kb98
There are other articles on the web which discuss Hezbollah having them as well. I have no idea if it’s true but the Syrians do have them. Quantities and technical details can be found in the article above for those who keep up on such things.

Posted by: bubbles | Oct 17 2023 15:37 utc | 330

laguerre@93
That is the crux of the matter: for how long can the millions of muslims in the near east and the billions around the world restrain themselves from intervening to protect Palestine?
That there is a genuine feeling of solidarity in the street and the suq nobody can doubt. Imperialism must be running out of ways to keep the lid on it though.
It is a very dangerous game that Israel and the Empire are playing- they are baiting a force of incalculable strength, they seem oblivious to the way in which sectarian and other divisions have been dying down.Perhaps they don’t believe their own media either.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 17 2023 15:38 utc | 331

laguerre@93
That is the crux of the matter: for how long can the millions of muslims in the near east and the billions around the world restrain themselves from intervening to protect Palestine?
That there is a genuine feeling of solidarity in the street and the suq nobody can doubt. Imperialism must be running out of ways to keep the lid on it though.
It is a very dangerous game that Israel and the Empire are playing- they are baiting a force of incalculable strength, they seem oblivious to the way in which sectarian and other divisions have been dying down.Perhaps they don’t believe their own media either.

Posted by: bevin | Oct 17 2023 15:38 utc | 332

@ Jams O’Donnell | Oct 17 2023 13:12 utc | 101
“Qatar . . .then the emirate will halt all further deliveries of natural gas to Europe”
BTW, that gas supply is shared with Iran.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 17 2023 15:40 utc | 333

@ Jams O’Donnell | Oct 17 2023 13:12 utc | 101
“Qatar . . .then the emirate will halt all further deliveries of natural gas to Europe”
BTW, that gas supply is shared with Iran.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 17 2023 15:40 utc | 334

” Russia has no intent on turning them on until full on incursion.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 10:51 utc | 33 ”
But how will they be able to tell the difference between whats happening now and a full incursion ? By the time that determination is made it might be too late. Also, I was under the impression that Israel and Russia have communications open concerning impending attacks on Syria. Doesnt Russia allow them as long as no Russian assets are touched ?

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 17 2023 15:42 utc | 335

” Russia has no intent on turning them on until full on incursion.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 10:51 utc | 33 ”
But how will they be able to tell the difference between whats happening now and a full incursion ? By the time that determination is made it might be too late. Also, I was under the impression that Israel and Russia have communications open concerning impending attacks on Syria. Doesnt Russia allow them as long as no Russian assets are touched ?

Posted by: Moonie | Oct 17 2023 15:42 utc | 336

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 17 2023 14:41 utc | 141
The linked video is impressive. That means carpet bombing of Gaza, flatten the northern half of it plus bunker buster and no ground invasion?

Posted by: schkid | Oct 17 2023 15:44 utc | 337

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 17 2023 14:41 utc | 141
The linked video is impressive. That means carpet bombing of Gaza, flatten the northern half of it plus bunker buster and no ground invasion?

Posted by: schkid | Oct 17 2023 15:44 utc | 338