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October 17, 2023
U.S. Deploys Large Force – Eyes On Syria

The U.S. has recently moved way too many troops to the Middle East to be of peaceful purpose or to simply deter others from action.

Who does it intend to fight?

Arms Airlift to Israel, Bombers in Jordan, Two Carriers: U.S. Deploying More Forces to MideastHaaretz

Last week, the United States deployed the aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford and its strike group to the eastern Mediterranean. The USS Ford carries about 80 combat aircraft, electronic warfare and intelligence planes. It is accompanied by five advanced missile-guided ships, armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles capable of hitting targets inside Iran. According to satellite images, the USS Ford is about 180 kilometers south-west of Cyprus. P-8 maritime reconnaissance aircraft with anti-submarine, anti-ship capabilities are patrolling around the group.

Over the weekend, a second carrier strike group, led by the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, was dispatched to the Eastern Mediterranean and is due to arrive later this month.

Each carrier strike group also includes one or two submarines. Next to various support planes each carrier has a ‘wing’ of fighter planes consisting of four squadrons with 12 fighter jets each.

There is more …

Since the Hamas attack on October 7, the U.S. has dispatched a large number of jets to the Middle East in order to “bolster the U.S. defense posture,” as the U.S Central Command has put it.

A squadron of U.S. F-15E Strike Eagle bombers based in Britain was deployed over the weekend at the Muwaffaq Salti Air Base east of the Jordanian capital of Amman. Another squadron of A-10 attack aircraft has also been deployed there.

An impressive airlift to Israel should be added to this list. According to online aviation tracking websites, at least 11 U.S. C-17 heavy-transport aircraft landed over the past 10 days at Israel’s Ben Gurion airport and Israeli Air Force’s Nevatim base.

In addition to fighter and transport aircraft, two Rivet Joint reconnaissance aircraft belonging to the U.S. and British air forces have been operating off the coast of Israel in recent days.

Each regular Air-Force squadron has 24 fighter planes.

That’s not all yet …

Amichai Stein @AmichaiStein1 – 15:39 UTC · Oct 16, 2023

WSJ: US military has selected roughly 2,000 troops to prepare for a potential deployment to support Israel in missions like advising and medical support. They aren’t intended to serve in a combat role and no infantry have been put on prepare-to-deploy order.

The above troops are probably not really relevant unless they come under fire and get killed. But the following ones are real combat ground forces and not just support:

OSINTdefender @sentdefender – 15:59 UTC · Oct 16, 2023

According to multiple U.S. Defense Officials, the the Bataan Amphibious-Ready Group consisting of the USS Bataan (LHD-5) and USS Carter Hall (LSD-50) as well as roughly 2,500 Marines with the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit are now en-route towards the Eastern Mediterranean from the Arabian Sea, where she will link back up with the USS Mesa Verde (LPD-19) who has Finished her “Mid-Deployment Repair Period” in Spain early and is already steaming across the Mediterranean.

There are also several thousand U.S. troops in Iraq and Syria and on several bases in Turkey and in various Gulf countries.

I agree with Will Schryver:

Will Schryver @imetatronink – 17:10 UTC · Oct 16, 2023

So … a large amphibious assault flotilla will join the two carrier battle groups assembling in the eastern Mediterranean. Many believe this is just “power-projection posturing”. I find that explanation deficient.

This is a war fleet. And Hamas is NOT its target.

Hamas isn’t the target.

On Sunday, in a stilted 60 Minutes interview, President Joe Biden pointed north:

Scott Pelley: Would you support Israeli occupation of Gaza at this point?

President Biden: I think it’d be a big mistake. Look, what happened in Gaza, in my view, is Hamas and the extreme elements of Hamas don’t represent all the Palestinian people. And I think that…It would be a mistake to…for Israel to occupy…Gaza again. We…but going in but taking out the extremists the Hezbollah is up north but Hamas down south. Is a necessary requirement.

Scott Pelley: And you believe Israel would pursue [the two state solution] that after what’s occurred–

President Biden: Not now. Not now. Not now, but– but I think Israel understands that a significant portion of Palestinian people do not share the views of Hamas and Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a powerful Islamist militia to Israel’s north which is armed and trained by Iran. Iran also supports Hamas.

Scott Pelley: There’s limited fighting already on the northern Israeli border, and I wonder what is your message to Hezbollah and its backer, Iran?

President Biden: Don’t. Don’t, don’t, don’t.

Scott Pelley: Don’t come across the border? Don’t escalate this war?

President Biden: That’s right.

If attacked Hizbullah, with 100,000 missiles, would destroy Israel. I therefore do not believe that Hizbullah in Lebanon is the real operational target Biden has in mind.

Hizbullah can not be deterred from attacking Israel. If it wants and needs to it will inevitably do so, and do so successfully. It has hidden its forces and weapons either underground or within the population of Beirut and southern Lebanon. Bombing them does not make sense. There is also the fact that the last U.S. intervention in Lebanon infamously ended with lots of dead Marines and an embarrassing retreat from the country. I do not think that the U.S. wants to repeat that experience.

Iran, another potential target, is too difficult to attack. It can effectively retaliate over a large area causing huge damage to any U.S. installation in the Middle East. It could also hike oil prices at a time when the Biden administration is urgently trying to lower them.

That is why I believe that the real aim of this build-up is to finally ‘regime change’ Syria and to kick out the Russian forces who are there to support its government.

Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com – 17:39 UTC · Oct 9, 2023

Israeli warning to Hezbollah: IDF will destroy Damascus, target Syrian President Assad if Hezbollah joins war; US warships will support Israel in war. Message relayed via France (@ynetalerts)

Israel Radar @IsraelRadar_com – Oct 9
IDF instructs Israelis to prepare for 3-day stay in bomb shelters/secure rooms, ensure supply of food, water, battery-run devices in case power is down. This is a clear indication of imminent escalation into larger war.

The recent Israeli bombing attacks on the airports of Aleppo and Damascus, disabling both of them, point into this direction.

The neo-conservative lunatics in the White House may well think that they now have a chance to eliminate Russia’s presence in the Middle East.

They will think of this as a revenge for their loss of the the war in Ukraine. They also believe that it will prevent, or compensate for, their geopolitical defeat in Gaza.

Russia is undoubtedly prepared for that. Still, its contingent in Syria is too small. A combined attack by all U.S. forces in the area, more than 150 airplanes, would certainly defeat it.

The question then will be: “What’s next?”

But I for one do not dare to answer it.

Comments

So what is Russia doing to counter this move by the US/UK/Israel etc against their ally Syria?
Are they prepared to lose their Mediterranean port/base at Tartus in Syria?
If this is true.

They will think of this as a revenge for their loss of the the war in Ukraine.

Then Russia should immediately be moving several divisions to Syria immediately to counter this move.
If they can’t. Why not?
And don’t mention Ukraine – Russia has already won the war in Ukraine (apparently).
If the war is already won, there should be no problem moving Divisions to Syria to counter this move.
If this can’t be done (because Ukraine) – then the war is NOT already won.
Winning a War allows operational independence, it does not impact ongoing operations in other countries – that is still an active war.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 11:49 utc | 101

So what is Russia doing to counter this move by the US/UK/Israel etc against their ally Syria?
Are they prepared to lose their Mediterranean port/base at Tartus in Syria?
If this is true.

They will think of this as a revenge for their loss of the the war in Ukraine.

Then Russia should immediately be moving several divisions to Syria immediately to counter this move.
If they can’t. Why not?
And don’t mention Ukraine – Russia has already won the war in Ukraine (apparently).
If the war is already won, there should be no problem moving Divisions to Syria to counter this move.
If this can’t be done (because Ukraine) – then the war is NOT already won.
Winning a War allows operational independence, it does not impact ongoing operations in other countries – that is still an active war.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 11:49 utc | 102

There are rumours that claim presence of US soldiers already on the ground and possibly CIA/MI6 operatives. Does anyone have any source about that and how reliable they are?

Posted by: AI | Oct 17 2023 11:50 utc | 103

There are rumours that claim presence of US soldiers already on the ground and possibly CIA/MI6 operatives. Does anyone have any source about that and how reliable they are?

Posted by: AI | Oct 17 2023 11:50 utc | 104

Norwegian | Oct 17 2023 11:42 utc | 48
I guess the leaders of the actual free world would be sitting back laughing if it wasn’t for the fact the puppet strings controlling the so called western leaders are held by nuclear armed crazies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 11:51 utc | 105

Norwegian | Oct 17 2023 11:42 utc | 48
I guess the leaders of the actual free world would be sitting back laughing if it wasn’t for the fact the puppet strings controlling the so called western leaders are held by nuclear armed crazies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 11:51 utc | 106

And if the USA attacks Russia in Syria and gets a carrier or two sunk? Seems like a Khinzal ends that attack right proper.

Posted by: Fudge Cracker | Oct 17 2023 11:54 utc | 107

And if the USA attacks Russia in Syria and gets a carrier or two sunk? Seems like a Khinzal ends that attack right proper.

Posted by: Fudge Cracker | Oct 17 2023 11:54 utc | 108

I’ve been wondering whether we may see a repeat in some form of the 1973 events along the lines of Oil/Gas boycott by Muslim nations. Does anyone here have any thoughts on that?
It seems to me that at least some kind attempt to impede energy shipments (e.g. in the straits of Hormuz) would be a near certainty.
All this relates to whether the chaos such US moves could likely cause in the energy market, ensuing inflation, etc. could be a moderating factor.

Posted by: expat | Oct 17 2023 11:55 utc | 109

I’ve been wondering whether we may see a repeat in some form of the 1973 events along the lines of Oil/Gas boycott by Muslim nations. Does anyone here have any thoughts on that?
It seems to me that at least some kind attempt to impede energy shipments (e.g. in the straits of Hormuz) would be a near certainty.
All this relates to whether the chaos such US moves could likely cause in the energy market, ensuing inflation, etc. could be a moderating factor.

Posted by: expat | Oct 17 2023 11:55 utc | 110

Dear b,
I agree with all you said, except the bit about toppling Assad in Syria. This does not take into consideration that Resistance Axis will act in unison in any major war.
An attack on Syria, Lebanon or Iran will bring an end to colonialist presence in Southwest Asia, this would include ending US presence and the Israel Project.
Alastair Crooke who has in depth information of this region has been hinting about this for several years now.
The situation today is very similar Ukraine end of March 2022.
Best for US & Israel is to accept current Hamas conditions.

Posted by: Fadi | Oct 17 2023 11:56 utc | 111

Dear b,
I agree with all you said, except the bit about toppling Assad in Syria. This does not take into consideration that Resistance Axis will act in unison in any major war.
An attack on Syria, Lebanon or Iran will bring an end to colonialist presence in Southwest Asia, this would include ending US presence and the Israel Project.
Alastair Crooke who has in depth information of this region has been hinting about this for several years now.
The situation today is very similar Ukraine end of March 2022.
Best for US & Israel is to accept current Hamas conditions.

Posted by: Fadi | Oct 17 2023 11:56 utc | 112

Iran and Syria may stock up on chemical and biological weapons. Just in case. Their enemies are fragmentated and isolated in pockets.

Posted by: Jason | Oct 17 2023 11:59 utc | 113

Iran and Syria may stock up on chemical and biological weapons. Just in case. Their enemies are fragmentated and isolated in pockets.

Posted by: Jason | Oct 17 2023 11:59 utc | 114

Sure Syria is in play but those marines will have their hands full with Hezbollah and even Hamas in Gaza. I think its more of a panic move as seems Israel is unprepared for this war.
Sure Syria gets bombed but no way 2,000 marines can do anything on the ground there.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 17 2023 12:00 utc | 115

Sure Syria is in play but those marines will have their hands full with Hezbollah and even Hamas in Gaza. I think its more of a panic move as seems Israel is unprepared for this war.
Sure Syria gets bombed but no way 2,000 marines can do anything on the ground there.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 17 2023 12:00 utc | 116

expat | Oct 17 2023 11:55 utc | 55
As to a moderating factor, that would be dependent on how it would affect prices in the US. The oil crisis in the seventies was due to the fact the US needed to push through laws to allow the Alaska pipeline to be built. Once that was accomplished the oil crisis ended. The Iran revolution was timed to coincide with the completion of the Alaska pipeline and with that the US was not dependent on imported oil.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:01 utc | 117

expat | Oct 17 2023 11:55 utc | 55
As to a moderating factor, that would be dependent on how it would affect prices in the US. The oil crisis in the seventies was due to the fact the US needed to push through laws to allow the Alaska pipeline to be built. Once that was accomplished the oil crisis ended. The Iran revolution was timed to coincide with the completion of the Alaska pipeline and with that the US was not dependent on imported oil.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:01 utc | 118

Jason | Oct 17 2023 11:59 utc | 57
You must work for this bloke?
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.jn7FxagIulXsuAQNlA7R3gHaFN?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:04 utc | 119

Jason | Oct 17 2023 11:59 utc | 57
You must work for this bloke?
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.jn7FxagIulXsuAQNlA7R3gHaFN?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:04 utc | 120

Me thinks the purpose is as stated: to deter Hizbullah from attacking Israel if and when Israel proceeds with the ground invasion to complete the ethnic cleansing in northern Gaza. Their thinking is simple, even simplistic: Hizbullah threathens Israel, we then threaten Hizbullah. They didn’t have time to plan the elimination of Russia from the Middle East or the revenge for their loss of the the war in Ukraine.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 17 2023 12:06 utc | 121

Me thinks the purpose is as stated: to deter Hizbullah from attacking Israel if and when Israel proceeds with the ground invasion to complete the ethnic cleansing in northern Gaza. Their thinking is simple, even simplistic: Hizbullah threathens Israel, we then threaten Hizbullah. They didn’t have time to plan the elimination of Russia from the Middle East or the revenge for their loss of the the war in Ukraine.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Oct 17 2023 12:06 utc | 122

Canuck, actually, my understanding, is that the Ashkenazi, though dominant in Israel, actually only constitute 30% of the population there.

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 17 2023 12:06 utc | 123

Canuck, actually, my understanding, is that the Ashkenazi, though dominant in Israel, actually only constitute 30% of the population there.

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 17 2023 12:06 utc | 124

Russia is undoubtedly prepared for that. Still, its contingent in Syria is too small. A combined attack by all U.S. forces in the area, more than 150 airplanes, would certainly defeat it.

They won’t do that.
Kiev and Odessa showed us, the patriot system (prim.Sytem US Airdefence) immediately goes into offline mode – service mode – when Kinzahls fly. If Gerasimov, after an attack of the Russian base, does not let any Kinzahls or a better equivalent fly, the Russian government will have a massive problem with its Muslims and its nationalists, the rest will be only little angry. Next year there will be elections in Russia, the little overweight, red-line assistant would not need to appear there and Putin would also have big problems after such an event.
We will see attacks on Syria and Lebanon (gas fields), perhaps with a ground operation in Lebanon.
The Americans are not crazy

Posted by: theo | Oct 17 2023 12:07 utc | 125

Russia is undoubtedly prepared for that. Still, its contingent in Syria is too small. A combined attack by all U.S. forces in the area, more than 150 airplanes, would certainly defeat it.

They won’t do that.
Kiev and Odessa showed us, the patriot system (prim.Sytem US Airdefence) immediately goes into offline mode – service mode – when Kinzahls fly. If Gerasimov, after an attack of the Russian base, does not let any Kinzahls or a better equivalent fly, the Russian government will have a massive problem with its Muslims and its nationalists, the rest will be only little angry. Next year there will be elections in Russia, the little overweight, red-line assistant would not need to appear there and Putin would also have big problems after such an event.
We will see attacks on Syria and Lebanon (gas fields), perhaps with a ground operation in Lebanon.
The Americans are not crazy

Posted by: theo | Oct 17 2023 12:07 utc | 126

The answer is World War III
Posted by: Monos | Oct 17 2023 10:05 utc | 12
The answer is always “World War III”, IF and only if, European-Americans have a “national interest” in preserving control of “foreign assets.” And as you all know, somewhere deep, deep in the recesses of popular fiction such as the end of the Allies’ Cold War, European-American history is littered with “world wars” from the dawn of child crusaders sent to Jerusalem in 1095 to…lemme tink… oh, right, Operation Desert Storm. Which never ended. For everyone else on the planet, designated “despots” and “terrorists” by Laws of the Sea Over There—the Third World.
Alrighty then. You can return to regularly scheduled domestic conflicts over how to distribute 1 percent of the booty, yanno, like pirates of the Caribbean.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 17 2023 12:07 utc | 127

The answer is World War III
Posted by: Monos | Oct 17 2023 10:05 utc | 12
The answer is always “World War III”, IF and only if, European-Americans have a “national interest” in preserving control of “foreign assets.” And as you all know, somewhere deep, deep in the recesses of popular fiction such as the end of the Allies’ Cold War, European-American history is littered with “world wars” from the dawn of child crusaders sent to Jerusalem in 1095 to…lemme tink… oh, right, Operation Desert Storm. Which never ended. For everyone else on the planet, designated “despots” and “terrorists” by Laws of the Sea Over There—the Third World.
Alrighty then. You can return to regularly scheduled domestic conflicts over how to distribute 1 percent of the booty, yanno, like pirates of the Caribbean.

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 17 2023 12:07 utc | 128

This could be very serious

Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei: The usurper Zionist government must be brought to justice. According to our numerous data, the current politics within the Zionist regime are regulated by the Americans. America bears responsibility for recent crimes. The bombing must stop immediately. We must respond, we must react to what is happening in Gaza. Civilians in the Palestinian enclave are starving and dying in the hundreds every day, so we must respond.
🔴 Deputy Commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC, the elite units of the Iranian Armed Forces), General Ali Fadavi, said that Israel will face “another shock” if it does not stop striking the Gaza Strip.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/68888

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2023 12:08 utc | 129

This could be very serious

Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei: The usurper Zionist government must be brought to justice. According to our numerous data, the current politics within the Zionist regime are regulated by the Americans. America bears responsibility for recent crimes. The bombing must stop immediately. We must respond, we must react to what is happening in Gaza. Civilians in the Palestinian enclave are starving and dying in the hundreds every day, so we must respond.
🔴 Deputy Commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC, the elite units of the Iranian Armed Forces), General Ali Fadavi, said that Israel will face “another shock” if it does not stop striking the Gaza Strip.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/68888

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2023 12:08 utc | 130

RE: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:01 utc | 59
“The oil crisis in the seventies was due to the fact the US needed to push through laws to allow the Alaska pipeline to be built. ”
I had forgotten that pipeline kurfukle. In addition, was it the year before or the year after that we left Gold Standard and switched to the Filthy Fiat Pyramid Dollar scheme?

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:08 utc | 131

RE: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:01 utc | 59
“The oil crisis in the seventies was due to the fact the US needed to push through laws to allow the Alaska pipeline to be built. ”
I had forgotten that pipeline kurfukle. In addition, was it the year before or the year after that we left Gold Standard and switched to the Filthy Fiat Pyramid Dollar scheme?

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:08 utc | 132

Re: Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 10:15 utc | 15

If a fight is inevitable, The two carriers plus many of the missile ships have a life span equivalent to the flight time of a Kinzal missile.

I see no evidence for this. What you are calling for what take a lot of missiles. A lot. Where are they all going to come from exactly Peter?
Russia certainly doesn’t have enough Kinzhal missiles in Syria to accomplish this.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:11 utc | 133

Re: Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 10:15 utc | 15

If a fight is inevitable, The two carriers plus many of the missile ships have a life span equivalent to the flight time of a Kinzal missile.

I see no evidence for this. What you are calling for what take a lot of missiles. A lot. Where are they all going to come from exactly Peter?
Russia certainly doesn’t have enough Kinzhal missiles in Syria to accomplish this.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:11 utc | 134

The Russians have to be aware of the possibility that the two US carrier groups intend to force an entry to the Black Sea to attack Crimea.
Israel could be a deliberate distraction.
Turkey is a NATO member.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 17 2023 12:14 utc | 135

The Russians have to be aware of the possibility that the two US carrier groups intend to force an entry to the Black Sea to attack Crimea.
Israel could be a deliberate distraction.
Turkey is a NATO member.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 17 2023 12:14 utc | 136

Julian, you are uninformed about the abilities of the Kinzhal.

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 17 2023 12:16 utc | 137

Julian, you are uninformed about the abilities of the Kinzhal.

Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 17 2023 12:16 utc | 138

seems we should take them at their words and look not to Syria but Iran. Of course the deterrence is directed at all the local actors, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Iran and the Saudis

Posted by: scottindallas | Oct 17 2023 12:18 utc | 139

seems we should take them at their words and look not to Syria but Iran. Of course the deterrence is directed at all the local actors, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Iran and the Saudis

Posted by: scottindallas | Oct 17 2023 12:18 utc | 140

Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 17 2023 11:19 said THIS:

“UkrWHAT?”
(All boldened, italicized and [bracketed] text in citations are by LongCovid.)

Brilliant!!

Posted by: LongCovid | Oct 17 2023 12:19 utc | 141

Tom_Q_Collins | Oct 17 2023 11:19 said THIS:

“UkrWHAT?”
(All boldened, italicized and [bracketed] text in citations are by LongCovid.)

Brilliant!!

Posted by: LongCovid | Oct 17 2023 12:19 utc | 142

Re: Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 17 2023 10:27 utc | 21

These events in the Mediterranean are also key in understanding the destabilization of Ukraine by the West starting in late 2013. The United State may have had the aim of taking over Russian bases in Sevastopol. Today, Russia controls Crimea, but because of the “Special Military Operation” in the Ukraine, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is out of action. Currently there are only two Russian warships and one diesel submarine in the Mediterranean, operating from the Russian base in Tartus. This force is not large enough to deter the American carrier battle groups.

Yes, this is an obvious maneuver to play off the Russians in Syria, Ukraine, Armenia and elsewhere.
It would help if some of these conflicts from the 1990s (like Armenia) were resolved rather than frozen (and continued in place) for decades.
The Russian love for frozen conflicts rather than decisive victories has always mystified me.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:20 utc | 143

Re: Posted by: Petri Krohn | Oct 17 2023 10:27 utc | 21

These events in the Mediterranean are also key in understanding the destabilization of Ukraine by the West starting in late 2013. The United State may have had the aim of taking over Russian bases in Sevastopol. Today, Russia controls Crimea, but because of the “Special Military Operation” in the Ukraine, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is out of action. Currently there are only two Russian warships and one diesel submarine in the Mediterranean, operating from the Russian base in Tartus. This force is not large enough to deter the American carrier battle groups.

Yes, this is an obvious maneuver to play off the Russians in Syria, Ukraine, Armenia and elsewhere.
It would help if some of these conflicts from the 1990s (like Armenia) were resolved rather than frozen (and continued in place) for decades.
The Russian love for frozen conflicts rather than decisive victories has always mystified me.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:20 utc | 144

RE: “We will see attacks on Syria and Lebanon (gas fields), perhaps with a ground operation in Lebanon.
The Americans are not crazy”
Posted by: theo | Oct 17 2023 12:07 utc | 63
Honestly yes the Americans are crazy. The counter attacks on Iraqi fields, the Tamar & Leviathan as well as Kuwait & Jordan assets are already in target scope. A ground invasion last time included SA and Turkey. They’ll have no such “help” this time. The only thing Turkey might do is join in killing Kurds. They’re not about to head on with Russia again.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:20 utc | 145

RE: “We will see attacks on Syria and Lebanon (gas fields), perhaps with a ground operation in Lebanon.
The Americans are not crazy”
Posted by: theo | Oct 17 2023 12:07 utc | 63
Honestly yes the Americans are crazy. The counter attacks on Iraqi fields, the Tamar & Leviathan as well as Kuwait & Jordan assets are already in target scope. A ground invasion last time included SA and Turkey. They’ll have no such “help” this time. The only thing Turkey might do is join in killing Kurds. They’re not about to head on with Russia again.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:20 utc | 146

Armageddon supposedly starts in Megido, which is a location in the Golan Heights.
Posted by: titmouse | Oct 17 2023 10:07 utc | 14
Nah, Megiddo is in the Jezreel Valley, southeast of Haifa.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 17 2023 12:20 utc | 147

Armageddon supposedly starts in Megido, which is a location in the Golan Heights.
Posted by: titmouse | Oct 17 2023 10:07 utc | 14
Nah, Megiddo is in the Jezreel Valley, southeast of Haifa.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 17 2023 12:20 utc | 148

Re: Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 17 2023 12:16 utc | 69

Julian, you are uninformed about the abilities of the Kinzhal.

No, I am sure a volley of Kinzhals can sink a US Aircraft Carrier.
2 Questions.
How many Kinzhals will it take to sink a US Carrier Battle group – there are 2 in the Eastern Mediterranean?
Where are these Kinzhals based exactly – they are not in Syria for instance – that is for sure.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:22 utc | 149

Re: Posted by: Perimetr | Oct 17 2023 12:16 utc | 69

Julian, you are uninformed about the abilities of the Kinzhal.

No, I am sure a volley of Kinzhals can sink a US Aircraft Carrier.
2 Questions.
How many Kinzhals will it take to sink a US Carrier Battle group – there are 2 in the Eastern Mediterranean?
Where are these Kinzhals based exactly – they are not in Syria for instance – that is for sure.

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:22 utc | 150

two US carrier groups intend to force an entry to the Black Sea to attack Crimea.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 17 2023 12:14 utc | 68
Sure. Call me when the USS Ford is in the Sea of Azov, steaming towards Rostov-on-Don.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 17 2023 12:24 utc | 151

two US carrier groups intend to force an entry to the Black Sea to attack Crimea.
Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 17 2023 12:14 utc | 68
Sure. Call me when the USS Ford is in the Sea of Azov, steaming towards Rostov-on-Don.

Posted by: Passerby | Oct 17 2023 12:24 utc | 152

Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:08 utc | 66
It was all around that time. I assume the US had already made deals with the Saudi’s as part of the planning to move from gold to the petro-dollar credit card.
The Alaska pipeline and Iran revolution brought that credit card into being. With oil prices skyrocketing, every country needed large amounts of US dollars. Part of the reason for the Embassy hostage thing lasting so long.
Just a matter of looking at a graph of US government debt and its timeline. Without the petro dollar credit card, US would have collapsed economically or at the very least its power over the world greatly reduced at around the same time as the soviet union collapsed.
I think what is occurring now is the Petro credit card has run its course and the US has nothing to replace it with.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 153

Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:08 utc | 66
It was all around that time. I assume the US had already made deals with the Saudi’s as part of the planning to move from gold to the petro-dollar credit card.
The Alaska pipeline and Iran revolution brought that credit card into being. With oil prices skyrocketing, every country needed large amounts of US dollars. Part of the reason for the Embassy hostage thing lasting so long.
Just a matter of looking at a graph of US government debt and its timeline. Without the petro dollar credit card, US would have collapsed economically or at the very least its power over the world greatly reduced at around the same time as the soviet union collapsed.
I think what is occurring now is the Petro credit card has run its course and the US has nothing to replace it with.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 154

RE: “The Russian love for frozen conflicts rather than decisive victories has always mystified me.”
Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:20 utc | 73
It doesn’t mystify me. You lose 27 million in a major conflated war, and results in a recasted economy, then a frozen conflict looks pretty good.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 155

RE: “The Russian love for frozen conflicts rather than decisive victories has always mystified me.”
Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:20 utc | 73
It doesn’t mystify me. You lose 27 million in a major conflated war, and results in a recasted economy, then a frozen conflict looks pretty good.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 156

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:01 utc | 59
Thank you for your response. If it’s true that a spike in oil prices would not unduly affect the US homeland, what about the instability it would cause to Europe?
Oh sorry, I forgot that Europe is now dedicated to hollowing out its economy and committing industrial suicide.
Or at least its leaders are…

Posted by: expat | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 157

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:01 utc | 59
Thank you for your response. If it’s true that a spike in oil prices would not unduly affect the US homeland, what about the instability it would cause to Europe?
Oh sorry, I forgot that Europe is now dedicated to hollowing out its economy and committing industrial suicide.
Or at least its leaders are…

Posted by: expat | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 158

This false flag event (the Hamas attack on Israel) is very obvious!
But no one seems to want to talk about just how obvious it is.

If Hamas and Israel agree to trap Iran and Syria, why are all Hamas leaders dying under Israeli bombs from 2015 to today? Yesterday another leader died.

Posted by: Carlo | Oct 17 2023 12:26 utc | 159

This false flag event (the Hamas attack on Israel) is very obvious!
But no one seems to want to talk about just how obvious it is.

If Hamas and Israel agree to trap Iran and Syria, why are all Hamas leaders dying under Israeli bombs from 2015 to today? Yesterday another leader died.

Posted by: Carlo | Oct 17 2023 12:26 utc | 160

RE: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 78
Completely agree. I thought the Global CBDCS, controlled of course by the West was the grand reset plan. But that appears with BRICS and all to be blown out of the water.
All I can figure is the West believes they can remove Russia (ally’s would be “trickle down” effect) then they got China by the balls & then can set up their global digital currency.
I just can’t figure out how it’s not absolutely clear that’s not going to happen. What, do they think they can “Nuke” Syria & other countries will scamper off and fall in line in fear?

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:37 utc | 161

RE: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 78
Completely agree. I thought the Global CBDCS, controlled of course by the West was the grand reset plan. But that appears with BRICS and all to be blown out of the water.
All I can figure is the West believes they can remove Russia (ally’s would be “trickle down” effect) then they got China by the balls & then can set up their global digital currency.
I just can’t figure out how it’s not absolutely clear that’s not going to happen. What, do they think they can “Nuke” Syria & other countries will scamper off and fall in line in fear?

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:37 utc | 162

1984 2023
Former ambassador and Assange advocate Craig Murray detained under UK terror laws
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/17/assange-craig-murray-detained-uk-terror/

Posted by: librul | Oct 17 2023 12:39 utc | 163

1984 2023
Former ambassador and Assange advocate Craig Murray detained under UK terror laws
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/17/assange-craig-murray-detained-uk-terror/

Posted by: librul | Oct 17 2023 12:39 utc | 164

@librul – link corrected
Doug Macgregor:
Avoiding Armageddon
The U.S. must consider encouraging a ceasefire before stumbling into another complicated large-scale conflict.

In Ukraine, Washington underestimated Russian resolve and military power. Washington should not repeat this mistake by underestimating the potential for a regional Muslim alliance that could threaten Israel’s existence. The possibility that Israel could end up like Ukraine should not be discounted.

Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 12:39 utc | 165

@librul – link corrected
Doug Macgregor:
Avoiding Armageddon
The U.S. must consider encouraging a ceasefire before stumbling into another complicated large-scale conflict.

In Ukraine, Washington underestimated Russian resolve and military power. Washington should not repeat this mistake by underestimating the potential for a regional Muslim alliance that could threaten Israel’s existence. The possibility that Israel could end up like Ukraine should not be discounted.

Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 12:39 utc | 166

There is increasing chatter among Arabs that Israel will blow up one of the US carriers.
Also, these air bases in the Middle East US and UK are using should be priority targets for Hamas and Iran’s missiles, rockets and drones. Nato is pretty much impotent without air power.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 17 2023 12:40 utc | 167

There is increasing chatter among Arabs that Israel will blow up one of the US carriers.
Also, these air bases in the Middle East US and UK are using should be priority targets for Hamas and Iran’s missiles, rockets and drones. Nato is pretty much impotent without air power.

Posted by: unimperator | Oct 17 2023 12:40 utc | 168

Question: I always thought that land based Aircraft and missiles are more potent than sea based. True ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 17 2023 12:41 utc | 169

Question: I always thought that land based Aircraft and missiles are more potent than sea based. True ?

Posted by: Exile | Oct 17 2023 12:41 utc | 170

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:22 utc | 76
How many I can’t tell, but where are they based? They are fired from MIG’s 31BM, at a distance beyond reach of the carriers battle groups.

Posted by: scc | Oct 17 2023 12:45 utc | 171

Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:22 utc | 76
How many I can’t tell, but where are they based? They are fired from MIG’s 31BM, at a distance beyond reach of the carriers battle groups.

Posted by: scc | Oct 17 2023 12:45 utc | 172

I think what is occurring now is the Petro credit card has run its course and the US has nothing to replace it with.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 78

How about the vaccine dollar?
Just kidding. 🙂

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 17 2023 12:47 utc | 173

I think what is occurring now is the Petro credit card has run its course and the US has nothing to replace it with.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 78

How about the vaccine dollar?
Just kidding. 🙂

Posted by: Nobody | Oct 17 2023 12:47 utc | 174

Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 79
“You lose 27 million in a major conflated war, and results in a recasted economy, then a frozen conflict looks pretty good.”
Stalin never wanted a “frozen conflict”, and Zhukov and Vasilevsky usually had to argue in order to attain time to prepare for offensives.
At any rate, you can’t cite WWII for evidence of Saker-style alleged-inherent Russian reluctance to attack. On the contrary, supposedly they’re now understanding that they didn’t counterattack hard enough in 1945 and now need to finish the job for all of Europe which they left so unfinished at the end of WWII.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 17 2023 12:47 utc | 175

Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 12:25 utc | 79
“You lose 27 million in a major conflated war, and results in a recasted economy, then a frozen conflict looks pretty good.”
Stalin never wanted a “frozen conflict”, and Zhukov and Vasilevsky usually had to argue in order to attain time to prepare for offensives.
At any rate, you can’t cite WWII for evidence of Saker-style alleged-inherent Russian reluctance to attack. On the contrary, supposedly they’re now understanding that they didn’t counterattack hard enough in 1945 and now need to finish the job for all of Europe which they left so unfinished at the end of WWII.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Oct 17 2023 12:47 utc | 176

Exile | Oct 17 2023 12:41 utc | 86
With missiles, there is only surface launched and air launched. Air launch have altitude and/or velocity when launched.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:50 utc | 177

Exile | Oct 17 2023 12:41 utc | 86
With missiles, there is only surface launched and air launched. Air launch have altitude and/or velocity when launched.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:50 utc | 178

“It seems to me that at least some kind attempt to impede energy shipments (e.g. in the straits of Hormuz) would be a near certainty.
Posted by: expat | Oct 17 2023 11:55 utc | 55
Day 1 of present the debacle saw a major spike to the Blue Gas; Austria, Finland, Egypt and then threat to Hungary. So, a campaign of economic interruptions is possibly to follow; hidden beneath the pall of chaos-ing.
What about Egypt and the Suez? What if, what if! (First post ever. Peace to all)

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Oct 17 2023 12:51 utc | 179

“It seems to me that at least some kind attempt to impede energy shipments (e.g. in the straits of Hormuz) would be a near certainty.
Posted by: expat | Oct 17 2023 11:55 utc | 55
Day 1 of present the debacle saw a major spike to the Blue Gas; Austria, Finland, Egypt and then threat to Hungary. So, a campaign of economic interruptions is possibly to follow; hidden beneath the pall of chaos-ing.
What about Egypt and the Suez? What if, what if! (First post ever. Peace to all)

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Oct 17 2023 12:51 utc | 180

I think the point the Americans are not properly taking account of is the unified fury in the Muslim world, not only in but across the Muslim world, about what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza. Not so much among the governments, who can be bribed or blackmailed, but popular fury. The Muslim world has never been so united on a single point. If the US goes to war, on Syria, for example, a large number of governments risk being destabilised. We’ve already seen the effects in action this last week in Saudi, where we were told MbS was ready to sign with Israel, and now suddenly it’s all off. That’s public (and princely) sympathy for Palestinians in action, not what MbS wants.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 17 2023 12:57 utc | 181

I think the point the Americans are not properly taking account of is the unified fury in the Muslim world, not only in but across the Muslim world, about what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza. Not so much among the governments, who can be bribed or blackmailed, but popular fury. The Muslim world has never been so united on a single point. If the US goes to war, on Syria, for example, a large number of governments risk being destabilised. We’ve already seen the effects in action this last week in Saudi, where we were told MbS was ready to sign with Israel, and now suddenly it’s all off. That’s public (and princely) sympathy for Palestinians in action, not what MbS wants.

Posted by: laguerre | Oct 17 2023 12:57 utc | 182

Nobody | Oct 17 2023 12:47 utc | 89
A little private enterprise on the side.
On a more serious not though is what we saw coincides with the massive push within the US empire of the mRNA injections. That is gene editing. Why the massive push for gene editing in the western populations? I believe that has to do with US/Pentagon research into and development of biological weapons. Moderna is now building production facilities throughout five-eyes to be ready for production mid 24 I believe.
Moderna is a start up company connected to darpa/pentagon. Covid injection was its first sales.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:58 utc | 183

Nobody | Oct 17 2023 12:47 utc | 89
A little private enterprise on the side.
On a more serious not though is what we saw coincides with the massive push within the US empire of the mRNA injections. That is gene editing. Why the massive push for gene editing in the western populations? I believe that has to do with US/Pentagon research into and development of biological weapons. Moderna is now building production facilities throughout five-eyes to be ready for production mid 24 I believe.
Moderna is a start up company connected to darpa/pentagon. Covid injection was its first sales.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 17 2023 12:58 utc | 184

So the U.S. is slated to fight the most competent army in the entire region, and why do we give Israel $4B a year?
BTW Hezbollah can launch missiles into Israel and can defend Lebanon very well but they are not structured as an offensive army. They might have small infiltration units but would never invade Israel. It’s not in their DNA.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 17 2023 13:01 utc | 185

So the U.S. is slated to fight the most competent army in the entire region, and why do we give Israel $4B a year?
BTW Hezbollah can launch missiles into Israel and can defend Lebanon very well but they are not structured as an offensive army. They might have small infiltration units but would never invade Israel. It’s not in their DNA.

Posted by: Christian J Chuba | Oct 17 2023 13:01 utc | 186

A humanitarian mission to rescue a population which has been deprived of food and drinking water has to be extremely quick, or it becomes pointless.
There will be a deadline and it will be very soon.
Will an ultimatum be issued?

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 17 2023 13:01 utc | 187

A humanitarian mission to rescue a population which has been deprived of food and drinking water has to be extremely quick, or it becomes pointless.
There will be a deadline and it will be very soon.
Will an ultimatum be issued?

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Oct 17 2023 13:01 utc | 188

@CitizenSmith | Oct 17 2023 12:14 utc | 69

Turkey is a NATO member.

❗️🇹🇷🇵🇸 Türkiye is ready to act as a guarantor for Palestine should a peace agreement be reached, the Foreign Minister said.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83667

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2023 13:02 utc | 189

@CitizenSmith | Oct 17 2023 12:14 utc | 69

Turkey is a NATO member.

❗️🇹🇷🇵🇸 Türkiye is ready to act as a guarantor for Palestine should a peace agreement be reached, the Foreign Minister said.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/83667

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 17 2023 13:02 utc | 190

Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 12:39 utc | 85
“Avoiding Armageddon..”
Intriguing related detail: Wikipedia’s page on ‘Armageddon’ already has a separate section on the Bahai “faith” – the synthetic One World Religion promoted by UN/WEF as part of the ‘Great Reset’ and Final Solution to the eternal religious wars in the Old Normal.

Posted by: Leser | Oct 17 2023 13:07 utc | 191

Posted by: b | Oct 17 2023 12:39 utc | 85
“Avoiding Armageddon..”
Intriguing related detail: Wikipedia’s page on ‘Armageddon’ already has a separate section on the Bahai “faith” – the synthetic One World Religion promoted by UN/WEF as part of the ‘Great Reset’ and Final Solution to the eternal religious wars in the Old Normal.

Posted by: Leser | Oct 17 2023 13:07 utc | 192

It’s probably the whole Levant or an extraordinary evacuation fleet!
But if it’s Syria …they would prove they have no reverse gear.
They always were pirates that will hang together or go down with their ships. Shame that two carrier groups several submarines, Israel has them too as we know, will soon join the ancient ships at the bottom of the Mediterranean. Causing massive pollution and death of the sea life with their toxic cargoes.
There are plenty of defences and over the horizon weapons awaiting them.
More, there is the RESISTANCE – Solemanis revenge is straining to finally be served – not a single base in the Red Sea old empire route will remain untouched.
A few thousand marines? Nah tens of thousands of the elite troops that have been minding Aden, Saudi, Iraqi etc can not defend against the mass asymmetric assaults that will make the Hamas pantomime with 150 ‘attackers’ pale in comparison. That includes Saudi and Israeli oil fields, refineries and DESALINATION plants.
What is good for the Gaza concentration camp goose is available for the natzios gander and their satraps.
Iran will not standby and watch Syria invaded and its ancient monuments and lands destroyed. I even think Iraq will join them.
China also will not – the signal is as clear as can be from the East – where the silence about the natzo military threat is deafening! Even as Putin has landed there – to talk about the BRI supposedly – That is not just an economic summit going on there. It is the war council.
The PR campaign that was the Assad’s being sold to the Chinese population, because Xi and co knew this was the plan. They have intelligence and satellites too, and weather balloons 🎈
Erdo will like Humpty Dumpty fall off the wall that he has sat on, all the kings men won’t be able to put him back together – because even the Turkish populations will choose the right side. They will not have forgotten last years earthquakes and who their real friends were.
In the final analysis what will India do? Are Modi and Jayshankar equal to Putin and Lavrov or are they going to remain loyal to the Collective Waste because som many of their diaspora have been placed in U.K. and US governments?
(Clue, it hasn’t saved Ukraine).
The frog of WW3 is anpproching boiling point and we in the West have been sleepwalked into it. Again. The old imperial map lines drawn a hundred years ago are about to be erased.
Anyhow- if ever an excuse was needed to explain the massive unraveling of the $600 trillion , derivatives long con, this is it. Time to go to all cash and spread it between multiple banks – many won’t make it. Buy some physical gold , not to spend but to store some value. Try and get remimbi accounts , though most of us can’t in Europe.
The west is rushing to its doom like the Light Brigade once did, only a full surrender to the Chinese and Russian guaranteed multipolar world order can keep us alive and part of the brave new millennium that’s taken a quarter of a century going as the Imperialists ran amok with their decades of domination nvasion , looting and deaths of many millions.
I ain’t going to cry tonight much about the tens of thousands of sacrificial military and the evacuation of the invaded holy lands. Or the secret islands and superyachts and estates and bunkers where the Pirate Lords think they will be safe. Bye to those shits.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 17 2023 13:07 utc | 193

It’s probably the whole Levant or an extraordinary evacuation fleet!
But if it’s Syria …they would prove they have no reverse gear.
They always were pirates that will hang together or go down with their ships. Shame that two carrier groups several submarines, Israel has them too as we know, will soon join the ancient ships at the bottom of the Mediterranean. Causing massive pollution and death of the sea life with their toxic cargoes.
There are plenty of defences and over the horizon weapons awaiting them.
More, there is the RESISTANCE – Solemanis revenge is straining to finally be served – not a single base in the Red Sea old empire route will remain untouched.
A few thousand marines? Nah tens of thousands of the elite troops that have been minding Aden, Saudi, Iraqi etc can not defend against the mass asymmetric assaults that will make the Hamas pantomime with 150 ‘attackers’ pale in comparison. That includes Saudi and Israeli oil fields, refineries and DESALINATION plants.
What is good for the Gaza concentration camp goose is available for the natzios gander and their satraps.
Iran will not standby and watch Syria invaded and its ancient monuments and lands destroyed. I even think Iraq will join them.
China also will not – the signal is as clear as can be from the East – where the silence about the natzo military threat is deafening! Even as Putin has landed there – to talk about the BRI supposedly – That is not just an economic summit going on there. It is the war council.
The PR campaign that was the Assad’s being sold to the Chinese population, because Xi and co knew this was the plan. They have intelligence and satellites too, and weather balloons 🎈
Erdo will like Humpty Dumpty fall off the wall that he has sat on, all the kings men won’t be able to put him back together – because even the Turkish populations will choose the right side. They will not have forgotten last years earthquakes and who their real friends were.
In the final analysis what will India do? Are Modi and Jayshankar equal to Putin and Lavrov or are they going to remain loyal to the Collective Waste because som many of their diaspora have been placed in U.K. and US governments?
(Clue, it hasn’t saved Ukraine).
The frog of WW3 is anpproching boiling point and we in the West have been sleepwalked into it. Again. The old imperial map lines drawn a hundred years ago are about to be erased.
Anyhow- if ever an excuse was needed to explain the massive unraveling of the $600 trillion , derivatives long con, this is it. Time to go to all cash and spread it between multiple banks – many won’t make it. Buy some physical gold , not to spend but to store some value. Try and get remimbi accounts , though most of us can’t in Europe.
The west is rushing to its doom like the Light Brigade once did, only a full surrender to the Chinese and Russian guaranteed multipolar world order can keep us alive and part of the brave new millennium that’s taken a quarter of a century going as the Imperialists ran amok with their decades of domination nvasion , looting and deaths of many millions.
I ain’t going to cry tonight much about the tens of thousands of sacrificial military and the evacuation of the invaded holy lands. Or the secret islands and superyachts and estates and bunkers where the Pirate Lords think they will be safe. Bye to those shits.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 17 2023 13:07 utc | 194

RE: Flying Dutchman | Oct 17 2023 12:47 utc | 90
I agree. There’s hardly any doubt the last 20 years was going to end up where we are now. There was hardly any way around it, the only thing that helped was freezing conflicts enough to buy time. Even I know Russia is much better off militarily & economically than Syria 1.0. They’re also aware Ukraine has to be “finished”.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 13:10 utc | 195

RE: Flying Dutchman | Oct 17 2023 12:47 utc | 90
I agree. There’s hardly any doubt the last 20 years was going to end up where we are now. There was hardly any way around it, the only thing that helped was freezing conflicts enough to buy time. Even I know Russia is much better off militarily & economically than Syria 1.0. They’re also aware Ukraine has to be “finished”.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 13:10 utc | 196

Some information from Gilbert Doctorow:
“the arrival in Berlin of the Qatari emir for talks with Chancellor Scholz on Thursday was indeed mentioned in our media. The content of their talks was not. However, per Russian news the emir told Scholz openly that if the Europeans persist in giving unqualified support to Israel for its pending land invasion of Gaza then the emirate will halt all further deliveries of natural gas to Europe”
Maybe that will shut Scholz and van der Leyen’s malicious mouths for a while.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 17 2023 13:12 utc | 197

Some information from Gilbert Doctorow:
“the arrival in Berlin of the Qatari emir for talks with Chancellor Scholz on Thursday was indeed mentioned in our media. The content of their talks was not. However, per Russian news the emir told Scholz openly that if the Europeans persist in giving unqualified support to Israel for its pending land invasion of Gaza then the emirate will halt all further deliveries of natural gas to Europe”
Maybe that will shut Scholz and van der Leyen’s malicious mouths for a while.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Oct 17 2023 13:12 utc | 198

RE: “Where are these Kinzhals based exactly – they are not in Syria for instance – that is for sure.”
Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:22 utc | 77
Hard to know “for sure” anything other than subs are most likely there and Kinzhals are not needed to sink carriers.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 13:16 utc | 199

RE: “Where are these Kinzhals based exactly – they are not in Syria for instance – that is for sure.”
Posted by: Julian | Oct 17 2023 12:22 utc | 77
Hard to know “for sure” anything other than subs are most likely there and Kinzhals are not needed to sink carriers.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Oct 17 2023 13:16 utc | 200