Posted by: Packard | Oct 25 2023 13:15 utc | 56
Only a coward certain of being protected and out of reach of decent people would dare say a thing like that.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 25 2023 14:58 utc | 203

Posted by: DunGroanin | Oct 25 2023 13:38 utc | 68
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Mossad blackmail ring had been going on for years. It’s their competitive advantage over the rest of the world. That’s how they manage to survive over and over again. Would there ever be an end to their ring?

Posted by: AI | Oct 25 2023 15:00 utc | 205

Hamas attacked to change the political dynamic, and most level-headed people would agree there was no other course of action as all negotiations were….
Posted by: karlof1 | Oct 25 2023 13:49 utc | 73
That to me is what must be kept in mind regardless of the fog of war and propaganda. To me, that move by Hamas was just the visible tip of a much larger move.
Hamas is hust the tip of an iceberg, the bulk of which consists of great powers. This period of apparent inactivity by the world as the bombing of Gaza continues – that great unseen mass is certainly moving, putting ducks in a row, perhaps positioning to call checkmate on empire. But certainly positioning to bring permanent peace to that conflict.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 25 2023 15:01 utc | 207

Why God would hate Joe Biden if He existed:
“16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.”
Proverbs 6: 16—19

Posted by: Dosamuno | Oct 25 2023 15:01 utc | 209

Erdogan Nato mafia poodle? Supplier of Islamic State and conveyor of stolen oil to Israel? Abandon hope all ye who enter here?
At least the people of Gaza still have hope for after the Day of resurrection.

Posted by: Giyane | Oct 25 2023 15:05 utc | 211

Interesting thread here about the attack on the Gaza hospital: https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1717015483843576248

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 25 2023 15:08 utc | 213

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Oct 25 2023 14:07 utc | 78
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Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones to their neighbours …. Always remember that.

Posted by: AI | Oct 25 2023 15:09 utc | 215

Interesting thread here about the attack on the Gaza hospital: https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1717015483843576248
Posted by: Ludo | Oct 25 2023 15:08 utc | 110
Aric Toler @AricToler
@nytimes Visual Investigations
Previously @bellingcat
Pay is obviously very low at empire troll factories. As the saying goes “Pay peanuts, get monkeys”.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 25 2023 15:18 utc | 217

Analysis of recent Turkish/West Asian diplomatic moves on the geo-political chessboard by Col Cassad..
Hamas are not terrorists
Erdogan today actively made it clear that he will continue to support Hamas (mainly diplomatically and informationally), which will lead to a further deterioration in relations with Israel. The demonstrative meeting of Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan with the leaders of Hamas, Erdogan’s statements that Hamas is fighting for the freedom of the Palestinians, completely contradict the US and Israeli line on the political isolation of Hamas. Türkiye openly opposes this policy. This is partly a necessary measure.
Türkiye competes with Iran to be the main defender of the Palestinians. Against the backdrop of Iran’s hard-line stance, which fully supports and approves of Hamas’s actions, including the October 7 attack, a more restrained Turkish position would lead to Iran’s increasing influence over the Palestinians and Turkey’s decreasing influence.
At the same time, it is important to remember that if the United States and Israel cannot agree with Iran on the Palestinian issue, then with Turkey, very much so, despite all the harsh rhetoric of “Friend Recep”. As a great opportunist, Erdogan knows better than many how to change even the most durable “ideological” chairs.
However, for the United States, this is another alarming signal of the general erosion of the influence of the outgoing hegemon in the Middle East. By openly siding with Israel, the Biden administration is actually closing the usual role of an arbiter in Arab-Israeli conflicts for the United States for a long time, slowing down the process of normalizing Israel’s relations with the Arab world and, with further prolongation of the war, will actually bury the Abraham Accords.
The main winner in this case will be Iran, which will further strengthen its influence in the Middle East as a consistent adversary of the United States and Israel, leaving the region even more covered in a scattering of Shiite proxy armies controlled by the IRGC and the Quds Force. Therefore, it is important for Iran to actively continue the war, involving the United States as well, but without its own participation.
Soleimani’s strategy involves exhausting his enemies in an endless war against Shiite proxies throughout the region. Iran’s direct participation in the war is impractical and risky. In this regard, Turkey’s current actions play into the hands of Iran, as they add additional headaches to Washington.
PS. And yes, in Russia Hamas is not considered a terrorist organization either. As, indeed, are the other main Shiite proxy armies of the Middle East. Israel has repeatedly tried to raise the issue of recognizing Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations, but has achieved nothing significant.
After the bombing of Gaza and the massacre of Palestinian civilians, no one will do this now.
At the same time, it is important to remember that despite the legitimate struggle for the rights of the oppressed Palestinians, Hamas in its practice uses, among other things, terrorist methods of warfare. This is so as not to create the impression that they are cute little dogs in white gloves.
But in the case when we see the clash of terrorist methods with the methods of apartheid and genocide, what Israel does is many times worse and nastier than what Hamas does. The problem can only be solved by the creation of a separate Palestinian state, which is supported by the majority of the world’s states, but not by the United States and Israel, who want to continue to oppress the Palestinians. This is the main nerve of the conflict – it was and remains.
A Russian Point of View…
INDY

Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 25 2023 15:20 utc | 219

Posted by: Contrarian_Ed | Oct 25 2023 14:07 utc | 78
lolwut

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 25 2023 15:22 utc | 221

Oberbayer @ 103
Not in a hundred years, thats how far Israel has set back the jewish couse world wide, you can thank netinyahoo for that. And his american backers funding his pschopathic tendency’s the same modus operandi regarding zelinsky in Ukraine…
Result ? Total distruction of your own country and all its people within.
Together with the wider jewish people being shunned by collective responsabilty.
I dont condone that. But i state it as an inevtable result of what the izzys are doing to inocent people in Gaza, righy now.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 15:23 utc | 223

The only thing that will save the Palestinians now would be a withdrawal of the Zionists back to the 1967 lines (for starters).
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2023 9:23 utc | 1
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I know many on this site will throw rocks at me, but I think even the 1967 lines would be too much of a concession to the Zionist. The UN had a map in 1947 that the exiled Jews agreed to (The Palestinians and many Arab countries did not accept the dumping of refugees into their neighborhood without their permission and the Zionist has used the corresponding war as an excuse to extend Israeli territory at the Palestinians expense.
I say that the justifiable (or at least the understandable) war is no excuse for stealing land beyond the UN mandated borders of 1947. Also, the top members of the UN were acting on racist assumptions when they allowed the Israeli Jews to declare and form a government in the expanded territory after the Nakba.

Posted by: Ed | Oct 25 2023 15:25 utc | 225

Posted by: Packard | Oct 25 2023 13:15 utc
This post by “Packard” explicitly states that Gaza’s people should be exterminated for not “surrendering” and equates that extermination with “peace.” My emotional condemnation of the post was removed, but the post itself remains.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 25 2023 15:25 utc | 227

Dont b fooled. Hes just washing his hands on this like Pontius Pilate did when Jews killed Jesus.
He just doesnt want to be written in history books as Sec Gen that was silent during the Gaza genocide.
Talk is cheap and he did the cheapest thing possible.
Posted by: Comandante | Oct 25 2023 12:49 utc | 45
Tend to agree. A closely documented genocide on millions of defenseless innocents is tough to ignore completely. An institution that claims to be humanitarian, international and pro peace, has to at least say some words. So they said their words knowing it will change nothing.
Nonetheless, just a few years ago we watched the UN completely join in imperialism’s anti Russian propaganda with nary a word for the civilians in Donbass. So, it is somewhat surprising that the UN cares at all about its global reputation, much less the judgement of history, at this late stage.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Oct 25 2023 15:29 utc | 229

b. quoted United Nations Secretary General António Guterres: “But the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas.”
This is another blatant Guterres cop-out.
EVERY time Israel is criticized before one of the United Nations human rights oversight bodies for its flagrant violations of the treaties it has committed itself to implementing, Israel responds by saying that it cannot be expected to fulfill all its human rights obligations, because it is at war.
The Zionists have been dispossessing, dehumanizing and destroying the Palestinians since the 1920s. The early Zionist leaders made no bones about it: over and over they trumpeted that the land must be emptied of non-Jews.
What Hamas did on 7 October and is still doing is just another round in a war going back a good hundred years.
Regarding the laws of war that Guterres mentions, EVERY time Israel is criticized for not respecting the provisions of the Geneva Conventions (the core of the law of war, now usually euphemized as international humanitarian law), Israel responds that the Geneva Conventions apply only in time of war, whereas Israel is NOT at war, for Israel is at peace with all its neighbors
Go figure…

Posted by: RJPJR | Oct 25 2023 15:31 utc | 231

Un SecGen Calls For End Of Zionist Bombing -AND THEN- Zionist Bombing Calls For End Of Un SecGen

Posted by: zooka | Oct 25 2023 15:31 utc | 233

Re Peter Au1 – You are correct – Hamas is the tip of the spear, aligned with every power, great and small, that abhors the senescent aging US gorilla. I have wondered if one of the strongest reasons for moving quietly and slowly through this horrendous genocide is that wise Arab (and Chinese and Russian heads) are fully aware that the blood thirsty psychoticism evidenced by Netanyahu, Gallant and Erdan is such that if forcefully cornered – politically or militarily, they will joyfully blow up the Al Aksa mosque. This can be expected to set the world on fire literally and figuratively.
Meanwhile, Israel has already lost in the long term outcome and, in concert with their fellow traveler in the Ukraine, destroyed the US as regards finance, military prowess ( the Houthi can credibly try to outgun the US!) and politically. The duration of the conflict destroys the entire Israeli economy. Their energy sources are threatened as Turkey and other countries turn away. Nukes are lesser weapons, than the bankruptcy of the state, the loss of critical energy supplies and the unbending rage of their own people – read the unexpurgated commentary of a recently released Hamas captive, as well as resident of the South who assigned most of the Oct 7 civilian deaths to the Israeli disinhibited overreaction. There is nothing about that country under Netanyahu and his ilk which is thought out or well considered. Israel is well and truly in terminal condition.

Posted by: abierno | Oct 25 2023 15:31 utc | 235

Dr. George W Oprisko | Oct 25 2023 15:20 utc | 113
However, for the United States, this is another alarming signal of the general erosion of the influence of the outgoing hegemon in the Middle East. By openly siding with Israel, the Biden administration is actually closing the usual role of an arbiter in Arab-Israeli conflicts for the United States for a long time, slowing down the process of normalizing Israel’s relations with the Arab world and, with further prolongation of the war, will actually bury the Abraham Accords.
Just another instance of the reason I do not bother to read the self named “Col”.
A simple one plus one equals two. We see the never ending US peace process in the middle east, and we see the Minsk agreements and what Poroshenko, Holland and Merkel have said about them.
Middle east “peace process” is one, Minsk agreements is two.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 25 2023 15:31 utc | 237

@Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 25 2023 12:55 utc | 47

One problem with false flag theory is that it assume comprehensive, secret planning verging on genius.

Mostly, to succeed, they need compliant media and censorship
and a public gullible enough to accept manure time after time
after time after time.

Posted by: librul | Oct 25 2023 15:33 utc | 239

@Posted by: librul | Oct 25 2023 15:33 utc | 124
…should have included:
and a political class that is not beholden to the public.

Posted by: librul | Oct 25 2023 15:35 utc | 241

Posted by: Dosamuno | Oct 25 2023 15:01 utc | 108
yeah, but that’s why “persecuted christians” of the European persuasion invented il Papa de Holy See AND “dispensationalism”! See?
Biden, Pope Francis discuss Israel, Gaza in rare call

Condemning the attacks by Hamas, which is recognized by the U.S. and several other countries as a terrorist organization, Biden spoke with the pontiff about his trip to Israel and efforts to guarantee the delivery of food, medicine and humanitarian aid to alleviate the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, according to a readout from the White House.

JOE: Holy Vater, please put in a good word from you for me to Peter

Citing the Holy See Press Office, Vatican News reported the conversation lasted around 20 minutes and highlighted the “need to identify paths of peace.”

FRANK: meh. I already told youse. It’s out my hands, son

Biden is only the second Catholic U.S. president and had a private audience with Francis at the Vatican in 2021….

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 25 2023 15:37 utc | 243

Ed | Oct 25 2023 15:25 utc | 116
The 67 resolution was that Israel should withdraw back towards the 47 lines lines, the distance they back decided by negotiations with the Arab world. Russia has stated that those two resolutions should and do still apply, which is certainly correct as no other UN resolution has appeared after 67. Are they are to be changed, I assume a new UN resolution would have to be agreed on.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 25 2023 15:37 utc | 245

Forgive me but if the mistreatment in violation of international law doesn’t justify Palestinian strike back, what does?

Posted by: Jeff Harrison | Oct 25 2023 15:41 utc | 247

Only a coward certain of being protected and out of reach of decent people would dare say a thing like that.
Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 25 2023 14:58 utc | 105
That is the post I mistakenly thought had been removed. My apologies.

Posted by: Gene Poole | Oct 25 2023 15:44 utc | 249

@All
Many posters here continue to describe the Hamas’ attack on October 7 as atrocities parroting the West’s statement of events while interviews and videos are shared online of Israeli civilian accounts of Hamas fighters being mindful of settler killings as they rampage looking for IDF forces. The common thread mentioned by two interviewees recently said that police and IDF were frequently shooting indiscriminately into settlements when they saw weapons. There was even a couple of reports of Mossad execution teams spraying bullets into settler’s homes to make the carnage “look good”.
Please don’t parrot the Devil’s lie….

Posted by: bisfugged | Oct 25 2023 15:44 utc | 251

Of great relevance as we watch this incestuous circle of Nazi’s, Zionists and imperialists which can be added to sln2002’s comment at 126.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat
The Reichskonkordat (“Concordat between the Holy See and the German Reich”[1]) is a treaty negotiated between the Vatican and the emergent Nazi Germany. It was signed on 20 July 1933 by Cardinal Secretary of State Eugenio Pacelli, who later became Pope Pius XII, on behalf of Pope Pius XI and Vice Chancellor Franz von Papen on behalf of President Paul von Hindenburg and the German government. It was ratified 10 September 1933 and it has been in force from that date onward. The treaty guarantees the rights of the Catholic Church in Germany. When bishops take office Article 16 states they are required to take an oath of loyalty to the Governor or President of the German Reich established according to the constitution.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 25 2023 15:44 utc | 253

Gaza should learn from Russia’s experience and refuse any sort of cease fire. Many hete can see it.
It’s rare to be able to defeat fascism when outnumbered and outgunned.
A Muslim SMO.
Brilliant.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Oct 25 2023 15:46 utc | 255

I assume a new UN resolution would have to be agreed on.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 25 2023 15:37 utc | 127
It’s that time of the year again!
A/RES/77/247
NOT PRESENT: AFGHANISTAN, BENIN, BHUTAN, BURKINA FASO, CABO VERDE, CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC, CHAD, COMOROS, CONGO, DOMINICA, EQUATORIAL GUINEA, ESWATINI, GAMBIA, MADAGASCAR, NEPAL, NIGER, NORTH MACEDONIA, SEYCHELLES, SURINAME, TIMOR-LESTE, TONGA, TUVALU, UZBEKISTAN, VENEZUELA, UKRAINE
NO: ALBANIA, AUSTRALIA, AUSTRIA, CANADA, COSTA RICA, CROATIA, CZECHIA, DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF THE CONGO, ESTONIA, GERMANY, GUATEMALA, HUNGARY, ISRAEL, ITALY, KENYA, LIBERIA, LITHUANIA, MARSHALL ISLANDS, MICRONESIA, NAURU, PALAU, PAPUA NEW GUINEA, ROMANIA, TOGO, UNITED KINGDOM, UNITED STATES
ABASTAIN: ANDORRA, BELARUS, BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA, BRAZIL, BULGARIA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, COTE D’IVOIRE, CYPRUS, DENMARK, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC, ECUADOR, ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, FIJI, FINLAND, FRANCE, GEORGIA, GHANA, GREECE [!], HAITI, HONDURAS, ICELAND, INDIA, JAPAN, KIRIBATI, LATVIA, LIECHTENSTEIN, MALAWI, MONACO, MONTENEGRO, MYANMAR, NETHERLANDS, NEW ZEALAND, NORWAY, PANAMA, PHILIPPINES, REPUBLIC OF KOREA, REPUBLIC OF MOLDOVA, RWANDA, SAMOA, SAN MARINO, SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE, SERBIA, SLOVAKIA, SOLOMON ISLANDS, SOUTH SUDAN, SPAIN, SWEDEN, SWITZERLAND, THAILAND, UNITED REPUBLIC OF TANZANIA, URUGUAY, VANUATU
YES: ALGERIA, ANGOLA, ARGENTINA, ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, ARMENIA, AZERBAIJAN, BAHAMAS, BAHRAIN, BANGLADESH, BARBADOS, BELGIUM, BELIZE, BOLIVIA, BOTSWANA, BRUNEI DARUSSALAM, CAMBODIA, CHILE, CHINA, COLOMBIA, CUBA, DEMOCRATIC PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF KOREA, DJIBOUTI, EGYPT, EL SALVADOR, GABON, GRENADA, GUINEA, GUINEA-BISSAU, GUYANA, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, IRELAND, JAMAICA, JORDAN, KAZAKHSTAN, KUWAIT, KYRGYZSTAN, LAO PEOPLE’S DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, LEBANON, LESOTHO, LIBYA, LUXEMBOURG, MALAYSIA,MALDIVES, MALI, MALTA, MAURITANIA, MAURITIUS, MEXICO, MONGOLIA, MOROCCO, MOZAMBIQUE, NAMIBIA, NICARAGUA, NIGERIA, OMAN, PAKISTAN, PARAGUAY, PERU, POLAND, PORTUGAL, QATAR, RUSSIAN FEDERATION, SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA, SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES, SAUDI ARABIA, SENEGAL, SIERRA LEONE, SINGAPORE, SLOVENIA, SOMALIA, SOUTH AFRICA, SRI LANKA, SUDAN, SYRIAN ARAB REPUBLIC, TAJIKISTAN, TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO, TUNISIA, TÜRKİYE, TURKMENISTAN, UGANDA, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, VIET NAM, YEMEN, ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 25 2023 15:46 utc | 257

Grayzone yesterday, CN today from Kit Klarenberg:
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/25/zionist-think-tanks-blueprint-for-gaza-ethnic-cleansing/
As Israel’s carpet bombing of Gaza entered its third week, leaving over 5000 dead and at least one million residents displaced, a Tel Aviv-based think tank published a blueprint for self-proclaimed Jewish state’s final solution.

Posted by: hedlykarok | Oct 25 2023 15:55 utc | 259

No fly zone now.

Posted by: Squeeth | Oct 25 2023 15:57 utc | 261

sln2002 | Oct 25 2023 15:46 utc | 133
Interesting. UNGA resolution can only “call on” but it doesz give a good indication of what the majority of nations think despite US arm twisting and blackmail, while UNSC resolutions are international law. Lavrov mentioned UNSC resolutions in reference to the early ones so I will have to check on that again.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Oct 25 2023 15:57 utc | 263

So the much vaunted land invasion is postponed again? What is it this time, an avalanche? Monsoon season?
Give us a fking break already.

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Oct 25 2023 15:59 utc | 265

Damm !
Those darstaedly multi polar folk.
Their at it again.
The izzys have walked into a kettle.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 16:02 utc | 267

What is this?

Douglas Macgregor
@DougAMacgregor
Apparently Anthony Blinken is now a sitting member of the Israeli Cabinet and National Defense Council..
This is unusual to say the least.
A lot of people are saying we’re in charge of everything that is happening in Israel.
The truth of the matter is, I wondering whether or not the Israeli leadership is in charge of everything we bring into the arena.
https://twitter.com/DougAMacgregor/status/1716982151097270442

Posted by: Norwegian | Oct 25 2023 16:04 utc | 269

I know many on this site will throw rocks at me, but I think even the 1967 lines would be too much of a concession to the Zionist.
Posted by: Ed | Oct 25 2023 15:25 utc | 116
I’m being a bit mischievous by mentioning the 1967 lines.
I support it for the same reason I support the two-state:
i.e It won’t work for ‘israel’, and will give the Palestinians just the breathing room they need to push back and rebuild themselves for the next round of israeli ethnic cleansing (which will come as sure as night follows day).
For all it’s synthetic might, isreal has maneuvered it’s self into a strategic position where it can concede nothing. Every legitimate, legal, humane concession it makes to the Palestinians will doom an isreali state: Two state solution? One state Solution? Wipe Gaza off the map? Wipe the West Bank off the Map? Yield the Shebaa farms? Yield the Golan heights? Allow the Palestinians to form a refugee camp in Egypt? Jordan? Syria? Lebanon? … isreal is out of cards to play – it’s only option is to flip the table and toss the game.
And the more isreal “digs” the deeper the hole gets:

Erase Gaza? Then what? The W.B must go next. Erase the W.B?
After wiping out the Palestinians, who’s next to go?

How long can isreal survive with neighbours who know they’ll be next as isreal completes it’s Oded Yinon plan?
isreal is the psycopath who suddenly realises he needs to kill all the witnesses to his murder, then the witnesses who witnessed the murder of those witnesses, and even further the witnesses who may suspect, or have witnessed those murders … until it finally hits him that he needs to murder the world.
There is no reasoning with such an entity.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2023 16:05 utc | 271

“We appreciate Australia’s effort.”

Posted by: sln2002 | Oct 25 2023 16:09 utc | 273

Guterres is shocked by the misrepresentation of his recent statements, obviously he’s referring to Israel diplomatically here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/oct/25/israel-hamas-war-live-news-gaza-child-deaths-unicef-jenin-west-bank-strike

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 25 2023 16:11 utc | 275

Aparently the delayed ground invasion
Is to waite for more air defence systeme’s to arrive from america.
Haveing bombed Gaza, seen the results. They dont like the thought of faceing it them selfs.
That is how you give psycopaths the beginings of empathy for others.
Hezbulla need to delay no longer.
Its a small window of opotunity.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 16:12 utc | 277

Curious question for B’s Barflies –
Natural gas fields were discovered off of the coast of Gaza several years ago, right? Can any of you recall a skirmish, an operation, a war the US has backed or taken the lead that did not involve oil or natural gas resources? Ever?
Every war/operation the US has engaged in since 2001 has been about stealing/securing other countries natural resources. That said, why would Israel be any different? Think about the sheer chutzpah of then President Trump’s greenlight for the Rotschild/Cheney/Rockefeller gas consortium in the Golan. Just gave Syria’s natural resources, aka OIL, away to a British/US entity.
Now, read this “Israeli outlets said that the new Israeli decision came after intense and complicated negotiations between Israel, Egypt and the PA, after it allegedly received guarantees that Hamas will not use its share of the gas revenues to develop its weapons. Echoing this, the source close to Hamas told TNA that “Israel announced its decision once it received real guarantees from Egypt that Hamas is ready to sign a long-term truce with Israel.””
This article was written in June 2023, as in a mere three-months ago. According to this article “Hamas is ready to sign a long-term truce with Israel” a mere three months ago to employing Israel’s genocide policy in Gaza along with the Strip being utterly destroyed.
Here’s my question – How does one make sense of this? Could the Gazan’s themselves be very real victims of a duplicitous betrayal here? I don’t know what it takes to build out an LNG plant as in the kind of land needed, but from the beginning of this tragedy the number one talking point in the West is/was the ‘total destruction of Gaza itself.’ Does anyone else recall such determination in the choice of Israel’s/the West’s talking points? I don’t.
Thoughts?
Click HERE to read the article at newarab.com

Posted by: h | Oct 25 2023 16:12 utc | 279

you can always tell a concern troll by the years they give for the start of “israeli” misbehavior. it’s been 75 years, not “56”. 106 if you start with that balfour bitch.
the UN is useless. the US can veto anything that goes through (as can its vassals france and the UK) so it’s just performative bullshit from people with bullshit jobs. the “israelis” are subhumans and the only thing they understand is violence. either cut the umbilical cord of western “aid” (read as: weapons and carte blanche to do anything anytime ever) or accept that they’ve earned 100,000 missiles up their collective ass.
sadly, neither will happen. the US will use any attack by what the MSM twats are currently calling “iran funded militias” as an excuse to go after syria and iran and as a result welcome to $500/gallon at the pump. it’s going to take things getting so bad for westerners that they get off their stupid slave asses and start polishing the guillotines.

Posted by: the pair | Oct 25 2023 16:12 utc | 281

Israel was able to disable the airports in both Damascus and Aleppo with a few air strikes:
https://southfront.press/israel-attacks-syrian-aleppo-airport-for-fourth-time-in-two-weeks/
If Bombs/Missiles launched from planes outside Syrian airspace can disable 2 airports, one wonders why alleged 100,000+ rockets launched from anywhere, take your pick, either Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Iraq or Iran, could not disable the 12 airports from which the IDF operates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Air_Force#Operational_organization
Such an attack would result in no civilian casualties, minimal loss of IDF life, stop the bombing of Gaza, while at the same time prevent/drastically reduce any immediate reprisal attacks onto any or all of the countries mentioned above.
That is, without involving the help of US Navy/Air Force, who despite talking tough, appear unwilling to get involved, if not incapable, if one considers the risks it runs by doing so.
A big IF, but if carefully coordinated with the diplomatic involvement of Russia and China, US escalation at Israel’s behest could potentially be avoided by offering Israel an ultimatum to accept an immediate ceasefire and conduct serious peace talks within the time it would take to both escalate to a US initiated response and/or repair the damaged runways.
Russia and China’s offer to the US could be, in exchange for holding off, the guarantee that this attack would be limited to IDF runways and not put at risk any of the existing US military bases in the Middle East, for which worst-case contingency evacuations are already being put in place:
https://archive.ph/m9k8O#selection-403.0-403.61
“U.S. readies plans for mass evacuations if Gaza war escalates” – WaPo (archived link above)
In exchange for a neutering and dressing down of it troublesome ally, by forcing it to agree at the point of a gun to a ceasefire and undertake a genuine process that will lead to actually resolving the Palestine conflict equitably (instead of prolonging it or fighting a losing war). The US would avoid getting involved in a regional war, keep all its bases, and live to see another day.
Would the US and Israel have the humility and foresight to accept such a deal, in order to avoid an existential threat that could destroy them or forever alter their fate?
Either way, if missiles begin to land in Israel, a response is all but guaranteed, leading the next cycle of escalation and likely a war that could spell the ultimate exit or at least a diminishing of US presence in the Middle East.
It seems to me that targeting the IDF’s capability to conduct a reprisal would have to be the number 1 strategic priority of any thought out plan to ensure victory. Leaving the threat of damaging Israel’s infrastructure and industry would also allow for some headroom in the escalation ladder in subsequent threats or negotiations.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Oct 25 2023 16:14 utc | 283

@ norwegian #139
I posted this last week on a different thread here, bears repeating:
“He should not have security clearance. That’s just common sense,” a former Special Forces officer warned after Rep. Brian Mast showed up to work in an Israeli military uniform.
Brian Mast, a member of the United States Congress seated on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, showed up for work this October 13 clad in the uniform of the Israeli military.
“As the only member to serve with both the United States Army and the Israel Defense Forces, I will always stand with Israel,” the evangelical Christian Republican posted on X around 10:30 in the morning.
Mast went on to attack his Palestinian American colleague, Rep Rashida Tlaib, declaring, “Tlaib’s got her flag. I got my uniform. ‘Global Day of Rage’ my ass.”
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/14/israels-govt-foreign-affairs-committee/

Posted by: hedlykarok | Oct 25 2023 16:15 utc | 285

Trump’s assassination of Soleimani now appears to be a strategic success for Israel.

Posted by: Wilikins | Oct 25 2023 16:18 utc | 287

@140
Netanyahu will have to start something huge or step down, I doubt he will step down. He can continue to bomb and starve Gaza, but I suspect that even the nauseating amount of smack talking that emanates from Tehran will eventually turn to action if too many Palestinians die (although there have already been far too many in my view).
There is way too much Arab fence sitting (I do understand why to an extent) which is only emboldening the Isrealis. They really don’t need to go in on the ground to vacate the area of Palestinians, but the global optics will continue to degrade and the tragedy cannot be obfuscated as effectively as it could have been in the past, there are too many phones, drones et al.
Netanyahu will have to do something soon, while he still has any backing, the longer he waits, the more friends will turn into enemies. He is an excellent candidate to pin the blame for everything on, October 7th in the first place, and the complete lack of action in the second place. He has maneuvered his way out of a lot of tight spots, I don’t think he will get out of this unscathed. He backed the wrong horse and that may well be by someone’s design.

Posted by: Bob Hopkins | Oct 25 2023 16:18 utc | 289

Hezbulla need to delay no longer.
Its a small window of opotunity.
Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 16:12 utc | 143
All Iran (Or Russia/China if they have the balls) needs to do is start a few fires elsewhere the U.S needs to rush air defense systems and ships to.
Perfect opportunity to overstretch the U.S in many weird and wonderful ways.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2023 16:21 utc | 291

Sending Palestinians into the Sinai would be like the Ottomans sending many Armenians into the Syrian desert in 1915-6, leading to the deaths of almost all of them. Pretty much only Turks deny that what was done to the Armenians was genocide.

Posted by: Lysias | Oct 25 2023 16:23 utc | 293

Trump’s assassination of Soleimani now appears to be a strategic success for Israel.
Posted by: Wilikins | Oct 25 2023 16:18 utc | 148
How? Hamas and Hezbollah are both stronger than in the past.
I would call Soleimani’s death a pyrrhic victory for isreal.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2023 16:23 utc | 295

As the world witnesses Israeli leaders deploying genocidal language and attacks against Palestinians in Gaza, much of the global Christian right is mobilizing its base in unilateral support for Israel. Many forefront Christian Zionist organizations are preaching a decades-old trope likening Hamas to “Amalek,” an archetypal enemy tribe of the biblical Israelites whom God promised to exterminate in order to bring Israelites “peace.”
https://truthout.org/articles/christian-right-cites-violent-biblical-amalek-trope-to-justify-israels-tactics/

Posted by: hedlykarok | Oct 25 2023 16:24 utc | 297

https://truthout.org/articles/christian-right-cites-violent-biblical-amalek-trope-to-justify-israels-tactics/
Posted by: hedlykarok | Oct 25 2023 16:24 utc | 153
Judeo-Christianity – “The Religion of Peace”
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Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2023 16:25 utc | 299