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October 25, 2023
UN SecGen Calls For End Of Zionist Bombing

Press Briefing with the NSC Coordinator for Strategic Communications John Kirby – October 24, 2023

And as I think you’ve heard us say, a ceasefire right now really only benefits Hamas. That’s where we are right now.

A ceasefire would of course benefit ALL people living in Gaza and all Israeli's under threads of Hamas missile fire.

The UN Secretary General António Guterres took a much saner position:

Secretary-General's remarks to the Security Council – on the Middle East – October 24, 2023

It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum.

The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation.

They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished. Their hopes for a political solution to their plight have been vanishing.

But the grievances of the Palestinian people cannot justify the appalling attacks by Hamas. And those appalling attacks cannot justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people.

Excellencies,

Even war has rules.

We must demand that all parties uphold and respect their obligations under international humanitarian law; take constant care in the conduct of military operations to spare civilians; and respect and protect hospitals and respect the inviolability of UN facilities which today are sheltering more than 600,000 Palestinians.

The relentless bombardment of Gaza by Israeli forces, the level of civilian casualties, and the wholesale destruction of neighborhoods continue to mount and are deeply alarming.

The protection of civilians is paramount in any armed conflict.

Protecting civilians can never mean using them as human shields.

Protecting civilians does not mean ordering more than one million people to evacuate to the south, where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medicine and no fuel, and then continuing to bomb the south itself.

I am deeply concerned about the clear violations of international humanitarian law that we are witnessing in Gaza.

Let me be clear: No party to an armed conflict is above international humanitarian law.

Today is United Nations Day, marking 78 years since the UN Charter entered into force.

That Charter reflects our shared commitment to advance peace, sustainable development and human rights.

On this UN Day, at this critical hour, I appeal to all to pull back from the brink before the violence claims even more lives and spreads even farther.

I find this unprecedented. The UN SecGen is clearly pointing to the U.S. which had vetoed last week's ceasefire resolution in the UN Security Council.

Should the U.S. calls for a ceasefire Israel will have to end its bombing. It should anyway immediately do so because its opponents are ready for the next phase of the fight.

Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders discuss how to achieve 'victory'

The meeting involved Hezbollah's Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, Hamas deputy chief Saleh al-Arouri and Islamic Jihad chief Ziad al-Nakhala, Hezbollah said in a statement. It did not say when the meeting took place.

"An assessment was made of the international positions being taken and what the parties of the Axis of Resistance must do … to realise a real victory for the resistance in Gaza and Palestinian and to halt the brutal aggression," Hezbollah said.

If Hizbullah unleashes its missile force against Israel's infrastructure and industrial areas the Zionist entity is done.

Comments

The only thing that will save the Palestinians now would be a withdrawal of the Zionists back to the 1967 lines (for starters).
Even a ceasefire would merely allow them room to die in relative peace …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2023 9:23 utc | 1

The only thing that will save the Palestinians now would be a withdrawal of the Zionists back to the 1967 lines (for starters).
Even a ceasefire would merely allow them room to die in relative peace …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2023 9:23 utc | 2

Must admit I was amazed to hear Guterres come out so forcefully for a two-state solution and the unambiguous condemnation of Israel’s war crimes.

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Oct 25 2023 9:26 utc | 3

Must admit I was amazed to hear Guterres come out so forcefully for a two-state solution and the unambiguous condemnation of Israel’s war crimes.

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Oct 25 2023 9:26 utc | 4

Tucker Carlson interviewing Col. Douglas Macgregor. The Col.’s take on the the bombing of Gaza and the dangers resulting to the ME is well worth watching:
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1716575922331988310

Posted by: Menz | Oct 25 2023 9:37 utc | 5

Tucker Carlson interviewing Col. Douglas Macgregor. The Col.’s take on the the bombing of Gaza and the dangers resulting to the ME is well worth watching:
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1716575922331988310

Posted by: Menz | Oct 25 2023 9:37 utc | 6

https://www.aaronmate.net/p/the-roots-of-israels-ethnic-cleansing
In 1956, General Moshe Dayan, one of Israel’s most famed military killers, said this, at a funeral held for an Israeli soldier killed by a Palestinian:

“Let us not cast the blame on the murderers today. Why should we deplore their burning hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we have been transforming the lands and villages, where they and their fathers dwelt, into our estate.”

Surprising honesty. But he didn’t condemn this, he advocated it:

“We are a generation that settles the land and without the steel helmet and the cannon’s maw, we will not be able to plant a tree and build a home… Let us not fear to look squarely at the hatred that consumes and fills the lives of hundreds of Arabs who live around us. Let us not drop our gaze, lest our arms weaken. That is the fate of our generation. That is our choice – to be ready and armed, tough and hard – or else the sword shall fall from our hands and our lives will be cut short.”

A decade later in 1967 he confirmed:

“You Palestinians, as a nation, don’t want us today, but we’ll change your attitude by forcing our presence on you.” Under Israeli rule, the Israeli general said, occupied Palestinians will “live like dogs, and whoever will leave, will leave.”

Posted by: Tenet | Oct 25 2023 9:38 utc | 7

https://www.aaronmate.net/p/the-roots-of-israels-ethnic-cleansing
In 1956, General Moshe Dayan, one of Israel’s most famed military killers, said this, at a funeral held for an Israeli soldier killed by a Palestinian:

“Let us not cast the blame on the murderers today. Why should we deplore their burning hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we have been transforming the lands and villages, where they and their fathers dwelt, into our estate.”

Surprising honesty. But he didn’t condemn this, he advocated it:

“We are a generation that settles the land and without the steel helmet and the cannon’s maw, we will not be able to plant a tree and build a home… Let us not fear to look squarely at the hatred that consumes and fills the lives of hundreds of Arabs who live around us. Let us not drop our gaze, lest our arms weaken. That is the fate of our generation. That is our choice – to be ready and armed, tough and hard – or else the sword shall fall from our hands and our lives will be cut short.”

A decade later in 1967 he confirmed:

“You Palestinians, as a nation, don’t want us today, but we’ll change your attitude by forcing our presence on you.” Under Israeli rule, the Israeli general said, occupied Palestinians will “live like dogs, and whoever will leave, will leave.”

Posted by: Tenet | Oct 25 2023 9:38 utc | 8

I would like to know what the death toll in Gaza due to dehydration is.

Posted by: Cassiodorus | Oct 25 2023 9:49 utc | 9

I would like to know what the death toll in Gaza due to dehydration is.

Posted by: Cassiodorus | Oct 25 2023 9:49 utc | 10

Is Guterres paving the way for a change in the composition of the permanent members of the UN Security Council? If France and Great Britain were to be replaced with Brazil and India, how long would Israel survive?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 25 2023 9:50 utc | 11

Is Guterres paving the way for a change in the composition of the permanent members of the UN Security Council? If France and Great Britain were to be replaced with Brazil and India, how long would Israel survive?

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 25 2023 9:50 utc | 12

Israel’s response was as swift as it was merciless: it is denying visas to UN personnel.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 25 2023 9:52 utc | 13

Israel’s response was as swift as it was merciless: it is denying visas to UN personnel.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 25 2023 9:52 utc | 14

I suspect Guterres was so clear, direct, and forceful in his condemnation because he had nothing left to lose. He may be ready to throw in the towel, but not before saying what his conscience and comprehension allowed, indeed possibly required, him to say. He is most likely not privy to the true logic and reasons behind the present Israeli-US course, but I’m sure he has his suspicions. Thus, as he’s kept in the dark about the latter, he can only base his judgment on what is clear and present to his eyes and intellect, to what the world, alongside him, is seeing prima facie and in fact empirically.

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 25 2023 9:56 utc | 15

I suspect Guterres was so clear, direct, and forceful in his condemnation because he had nothing left to lose. He may be ready to throw in the towel, but not before saying what his conscience and comprehension allowed, indeed possibly required, him to say. He is most likely not privy to the true logic and reasons behind the present Israeli-US course, but I’m sure he has his suspicions. Thus, as he’s kept in the dark about the latter, he can only base his judgment on what is clear and present to his eyes and intellect, to what the world, alongside him, is seeing prima facie and in fact empirically.

Posted by: Ludo | Oct 25 2023 9:56 utc | 16

One more thing: it is one thing to deny visas to UN personnel but happens to the humanitarian aid from now on? No doubt it will be branded as the Trojan horse of all the antisemites in the world, of which Guterres will now be the epitome.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 25 2023 10:04 utc | 17

One more thing: it is one thing to deny visas to UN personnel but happens to the humanitarian aid from now on? No doubt it will be branded as the Trojan horse of all the antisemites in the world, of which Guterres will now be the epitome.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 25 2023 10:04 utc | 18

As much as we’d all like to see a seascefire in this desperate immediate situation i think its unlikly to happen.
Granted the international pressure on israel is getting more powerfull by the day.
Granted the suffering on the ground has now gone off the scale of inhuman war crime atrocity.
The games up for israel.
The izzys would just prolong the torture of Gaza longer. Using the delay to replenish its murderous weapons and resourses.
The longer this go’s on the more it becomes normalised, and thats bad for the world pscye.
Israel needs to have an unilateral one sided seacefire. Overwise known as just stop murdering inocent people.
Overwise known as surrender, put the gun down walk out with hands up.
And throw themseves at the mercey of the international law and the mercy of their victems.
———–
Or face an altimatume of all out immediate complete distruction of Israel and the people in it.
Basicly israel and their backers have lost all liesence and ligitamacy.
And should not be consulted. Just stopped within 2 days.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 10:06 utc | 19

As much as we’d all like to see a seascefire in this desperate immediate situation i think its unlikly to happen.
Granted the international pressure on israel is getting more powerfull by the day.
Granted the suffering on the ground has now gone off the scale of inhuman war crime atrocity.
The games up for israel.
The izzys would just prolong the torture of Gaza longer. Using the delay to replenish its murderous weapons and resourses.
The longer this go’s on the more it becomes normalised, and thats bad for the world pscye.
Israel needs to have an unilateral one sided seacefire. Overwise known as just stop murdering inocent people.
Overwise known as surrender, put the gun down walk out with hands up.
And throw themseves at the mercey of the international law and the mercy of their victems.
———–
Or face an altimatume of all out immediate complete distruction of Israel and the people in it.
Basicly israel and their backers have lost all liesence and ligitamacy.
And should not be consulted. Just stopped within 2 days.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 10:06 utc | 20

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 25 2023 9:52 utc | 8
Just goes to show how lawless they really are.
It’s common to make fun of the UN for being toothless when it comes to enforcing international humanitarian law.
But, if anything, this whole scenario is completely torpedoing whatever was left of American/Western credibility in the global south.

Posted by: SpatialFix | Oct 25 2023 10:06 utc | 21

Posted by: Jonathan W | Oct 25 2023 9:52 utc | 8
Just goes to show how lawless they really are.
It’s common to make fun of the UN for being toothless when it comes to enforcing international humanitarian law.
But, if anything, this whole scenario is completely torpedoing whatever was left of American/Western credibility in the global south.

Posted by: SpatialFix | Oct 25 2023 10:06 utc | 22

Israel is performing a mass self induced suicide.
By employing a policy of genocide for 75 years Israel is, quintessentially, writing their own death warrant for their country.
The inevitable karma/justice might occur this month, next year or 20 years from now but it will come unless Israel politically compromises for a two state solution in the very near future.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 25 2023 10:07 utc | 23

Israel is performing a mass self induced suicide.
By employing a policy of genocide for 75 years Israel is, quintessentially, writing their own death warrant for their country.
The inevitable karma/justice might occur this month, next year or 20 years from now but it will come unless Israel politically compromises for a two state solution in the very near future.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 25 2023 10:07 utc | 24

Typo…
Ceasefire

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 10:09 utc | 25

Typo…
Ceasefire

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 10:09 utc | 26

becoming how even more insidiously ob ious how desparate and psychotic Isr. is determined to protect the hatred and lies it has built up over decades.. the persuasion by them .. the manipulation …to get support from dumbass politicians signing up to their supportive causes …declarations.. anti Iranian missiles all over Europe …that if you are not with us you are against us and will be so treated. Queen Raniae of Jordan gave an interview to mass press media clearly stating the other side to the Isr. story….the Palestinian side…that the Arab world is horrified.

Posted by: Jo | Oct 25 2023 10:17 utc | 27

becoming how even more insidiously ob ious how desparate and psychotic Isr. is determined to protect the hatred and lies it has built up over decades.. the persuasion by them .. the manipulation …to get support from dumbass politicians signing up to their supportive causes …declarations.. anti Iranian missiles all over Europe …that if you are not with us you are against us and will be so treated. Queen Raniae of Jordan gave an interview to mass press media clearly stating the other side to the Isr. story….the Palestinian side…that the Arab world is horrified.

Posted by: Jo | Oct 25 2023 10:17 utc | 28

According to RT news of today, Israel’s reaction to Guterrez’s words was to pronounce him unfit for office and demand his resignation. Because, so they explained, he was condoning Hamas’s atrocities.

Posted by: grunzt | Oct 25 2023 10:19 utc | 29

According to RT news of today, Israel’s reaction to Guterrez’s words was to pronounce him unfit for office and demand his resignation. Because, so they explained, he was condoning Hamas’s atrocities.

Posted by: grunzt | Oct 25 2023 10:19 utc | 30

Maybe it’s time to get rid of the veto? Straight roll call vote of all nation’s?

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 25 2023 10:20 utc | 31

Maybe it’s time to get rid of the veto? Straight roll call vote of all nation’s?

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Oct 25 2023 10:20 utc | 32

Just to add to my above comment.
Quite an outstanding fact and important reality….
Between Israel and palistine, israel is now in the weaker position, dispite what it is suffering now Gaze residents are in the stronger position.
Thank you netinyahoo.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 10:25 utc | 33

Just to add to my above comment.
Quite an outstanding fact and important reality….
Between Israel and palistine, israel is now in the weaker position, dispite what it is suffering now Gaze residents are in the stronger position.
Thank you netinyahoo.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 10:25 utc | 34

Guterres indeed has nothing to lose, following the US/Israeli/Zionist/Western course will leave UN irrelevant along with the rules-based order it is part of.
Just like Hamas the only way to win is through mass casualties driving the conflict to absurd levels surpassing even the ability of the west to close it’s eyes

Posted by: SOS | Oct 25 2023 10:43 utc | 35

Guterres indeed has nothing to lose, following the US/Israeli/Zionist/Western course will leave UN irrelevant along with the rules-based order it is part of.
Just like Hamas the only way to win is through mass casualties driving the conflict to absurd levels surpassing even the ability of the west to close it’s eyes

Posted by: SOS | Oct 25 2023 10:43 utc | 36

“The time has come to teach them a lesson” stated Gilad Erdan, representative of ISR to the UN.
Oh, the hubris of the Zionist entity…should they have studied Greek mythology (and a little Thucydides) better, they should have known that hubris is irrevocably followed by nemesis and tisis.

Posted by: Memory Man | Oct 25 2023 10:46 utc | 37

“The time has come to teach them a lesson” stated Gilad Erdan, representative of ISR to the UN.
Oh, the hubris of the Zionist entity…should they have studied Greek mythology (and a little Thucydides) better, they should have known that hubris is irrevocably followed by nemesis and tisis.

Posted by: Memory Man | Oct 25 2023 10:46 utc | 38

RTis reporting that Guterres is ”clarifying” his previous statement.
Frantically backtracking, that is.
What a surprise. /s

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 25 2023 11:03 utc | 39

RTis reporting that Guterres is ”clarifying” his previous statement.
Frantically backtracking, that is.
What a surprise. /s

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 25 2023 11:03 utc | 40

Its interesting that on the last post of b’s (palistine/Gaza)
Ther was a short conversation between Jane & PeterAU1. Regards Qatar.
Then low and behold b puts up this post on a ceasefire topic.
To conect the two above, i’ll chip in with the little i know…
Qatar see’s its selve as a mediater between two extremely hostile sides.
Both sides Israel, Hamas except this pragmatic compromise.
Its a channel of comunication beteen the two, even now.
A nessersary back channel.
Hamas has an offical office in the open their. All above board.
——-
To add. Compare Hamas to the IRA in Northan Ireland.
A para-military wing and a political wing campletly seperate from any alleged criminal resistance activaty.
Beyound the law. A very sucssesfull tactic ultimatly ending that conflict, with the IRA now in main stream politics…..
Ditto Hamas ditto Qatar as host to this go between araingment. When this is all over you will see the political wing of Hamas emerge to the forground untarnised by to close a conextion to Hamas on the ground.
A very postive stance for all 3 particepunts in the arraingment.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 11:17 utc | 41

Its interesting that on the last post of b’s (palistine/Gaza)
Ther was a short conversation between Jane & PeterAU1. Regards Qatar.
Then low and behold b puts up this post on a ceasefire topic.
To conect the two above, i’ll chip in with the little i know…
Qatar see’s its selve as a mediater between two extremely hostile sides.
Both sides Israel, Hamas except this pragmatic compromise.
Its a channel of comunication beteen the two, even now.
A nessersary back channel.
Hamas has an offical office in the open their. All above board.
——-
To add. Compare Hamas to the IRA in Northan Ireland.
A para-military wing and a political wing campletly seperate from any alleged criminal resistance activaty.
Beyound the law. A very sucssesfull tactic ultimatly ending that conflict, with the IRA now in main stream politics…..
Ditto Hamas ditto Qatar as host to this go between araingment. When this is all over you will see the political wing of Hamas emerge to the forground untarnised by to close a conextion to Hamas on the ground.
A very postive stance for all 3 particepunts in the arraingment.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 11:17 utc | 42

Agora Guterres partiu a louça toda. O que disse é muito mais do que o estômago de Netaniahu consegue suportar. Fica exposto o genocídio em curso na Faixa de Gaza. Guteres só não usou a palavra.

Posted by: António Ferrão | Oct 25 2023 11:19 utc | 43

Agora Guterres partiu a louça toda. O que disse é muito mais do que o estômago de Netaniahu consegue suportar. Fica exposto o genocídio em curso na Faixa de Gaza. Guteres só não usou a palavra.

Posted by: António Ferrão | Oct 25 2023 11:19 utc | 44

The news of the Eisenhower, previously directed to set sail for the Israeli coast to join the Ford, being directed instead to head to the Gulf and be aimed at Iran rather than Syria seems to have gone under the radar.
https://maritime-executive.com/article/pentagon-diverts-carrier-uss-eisenhower-to-protect-troops-in-mideast

Earlier this month, the Pentagon dispatched the carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower to the Eastern Mediterranean in order to prepare for possible contingencies related to American-backed Israeli operations against the terrorist group Hamas. Eisenhower was deployed to serve as a message to Iran and its proxy forces in Syria and Lebanon to stay on the sidelines and out of the conflict. This week, the situation has evolved: with Iranian-backed forces launching missile and drone attacks against American forces in Iraq and Syria, Eisenhower will head to the Middle East instead and will prepare to defend U.S. troops.

It always seemed odd to have two carriers aimed at Syria when if you get into it with Syria you’re getting into it with Iran too. It seems the neocons see this too now. The US is preparing for a war with Iran.

Posted by: Altai | Oct 25 2023 11:19 utc | 45

The news of the Eisenhower, previously directed to set sail for the Israeli coast to join the Ford, being directed instead to head to the Gulf and be aimed at Iran rather than Syria seems to have gone under the radar.
https://maritime-executive.com/article/pentagon-diverts-carrier-uss-eisenhower-to-protect-troops-in-mideast

Earlier this month, the Pentagon dispatched the carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower to the Eastern Mediterranean in order to prepare for possible contingencies related to American-backed Israeli operations against the terrorist group Hamas. Eisenhower was deployed to serve as a message to Iran and its proxy forces in Syria and Lebanon to stay on the sidelines and out of the conflict. This week, the situation has evolved: with Iranian-backed forces launching missile and drone attacks against American forces in Iraq and Syria, Eisenhower will head to the Middle East instead and will prepare to defend U.S. troops.

It always seemed odd to have two carriers aimed at Syria when if you get into it with Syria you’re getting into it with Iran too. It seems the neocons see this too now. The US is preparing for a war with Iran.

Posted by: Altai | Oct 25 2023 11:19 utc | 46

By now the UN will have consulted their legal experts and found that what is happening is indeed Genocide. So the “banning” of UN from Palestine and Israel is to ensure there are no witnesses with any credibilty.
An American Jewish Professor at Stockton whose field of expertise is the Holocaust and genocide;
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/10/16/raz_segal_textbook_case_of_genocide

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 25 2023 11:21 utc | 47

By now the UN will have consulted their legal experts and found that what is happening is indeed Genocide. So the “banning” of UN from Palestine and Israel is to ensure there are no witnesses with any credibilty.
An American Jewish Professor at Stockton whose field of expertise is the Holocaust and genocide;
https://www.democracynow.org/2023/10/16/raz_segal_textbook_case_of_genocide

Posted by: Stonebird | Oct 25 2023 11:21 utc | 48

Gutteres has been courageous enough to spell out what the world, except for the USA and Israel, think. His intervention may trigger other countries leaders to act coutegeously instead of following the USA diktat of absolving Israel for its relentless crimes and rejection of the UNSC resolutions.

Posted by: Virgile | Oct 25 2023 11:22 utc | 49

Gutteres has been courageous enough to spell out what the world, except for the USA and Israel, think. His intervention may trigger other countries leaders to act coutegeously instead of following the USA diktat of absolving Israel for its relentless crimes and rejection of the UNSC resolutions.

Posted by: Virgile | Oct 25 2023 11:22 utc | 50

OT-I used to go to ZHedge for info but , it seems, Goolge or the Jewish lobby have turned ZH jnto Israeli apologists.
Epoch Times is now the ‘go to’ media for ZH.
A pity.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 25 2023 11:25 utc | 51

OT-I used to go to ZHedge for info but , it seems, Goolge or the Jewish lobby have turned ZH jnto Israeli apologists.
Epoch Times is now the ‘go to’ media for ZH.
A pity.

Posted by: canuck | Oct 25 2023 11:25 utc | 52

Expected to see many Israeli funerals. Have seen none.

Posted by: Cocoliso | Oct 25 2023 11:29 utc | 53

Expected to see many Israeli funerals. Have seen none.

Posted by: Cocoliso | Oct 25 2023 11:29 utc | 54

You might find it interesting that Ron Unz gets it wrong.
He doesn’t believe that the security failure by the IDF at the Gaza
border was a false flag.
He goes for the ever popular incompetence pretext.
Jeesh.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-israel-gaza-and-broader-issues/

But that seems more a sign of complacency and incompetence than treasonous plotting.

Posted by: librul | Oct 25 2023 11:32 utc | 55

You might find it interesting that Ron Unz gets it wrong.
He doesn’t believe that the security failure by the IDF at the Gaza
border was a false flag.
He goes for the ever popular incompetence pretext.
Jeesh.
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-israel-gaza-and-broader-issues/

But that seems more a sign of complacency and incompetence than treasonous plotting.

Posted by: librul | Oct 25 2023 11:32 utc | 56

Guterres has more bowls than the head of WHO who has watched his people be minced to pieced rather than come out about the sanitory scandal.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 25 2023 11:33 utc | 57

Guterres has more bowls than the head of WHO who has watched his people be minced to pieced rather than come out about the sanitory scandal.

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 25 2023 11:33 utc | 58

Israel has been using as their legal precedent the fire bombing of Dresden
by the allies in WWII.

Posted by: librul | Oct 25 2023 11:37 utc | 59

Israel has been using as their legal precedent the fire bombing of Dresden
by the allies in WWII.

Posted by: librul | Oct 25 2023 11:37 utc | 60

Qatar has now joined side with Turkey against Nato US Isr EU. That leaves the Idlib takfiris in jeopardy but they ll sell themselves to whoever will pay them in the good machist/patriarchal/clanic tradition. See the AJE live
Simple solution : call for a global referendum where all the palestinians are allowed to participate and ask them if they want to stay where they are with financial compensation or return
And if they want hamas part of a future coalition or not

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 25 2023 11:38 utc | 61

Qatar has now joined side with Turkey against Nato US Isr EU. That leaves the Idlib takfiris in jeopardy but they ll sell themselves to whoever will pay them in the good machist/patriarchal/clanic tradition. See the AJE live
Simple solution : call for a global referendum where all the palestinians are allowed to participate and ask them if they want to stay where they are with financial compensation or return
And if they want hamas part of a future coalition or not

Posted by: Minaa | Oct 25 2023 11:38 utc | 62

I wonder if (hypothtical) you were to have a poll of all jews in the world how many would be pro israel or pro palistine. Having seen the presant genicide consentration camp ran by israel. Mmm

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 11:48 utc | 63

I wonder if (hypothtical) you were to have a poll of all jews in the world how many would be pro israel or pro palistine. Having seen the presant genicide consentration camp ran by israel. Mmm

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 11:48 utc | 64

“The time has come to teach them a lesson” stated Gilad Erdan, representative of ISR to the UN.
Oh, the hubris of the Zionist entity…should they have studied Greek mythology (and a little Thucydides) better, they should have known that hubris is irrevocably followed by nemesis and tisis.
Posted by: Memory Man | Oct 25 2023 10:46 utc | 21
I believe Israel is following the idea of hubris that Julius Caesar had:
“Its only hubris if I fail.”

Posted by: canuck | Oct 25 2023 11:49 utc | 65

“The time has come to teach them a lesson” stated Gilad Erdan, representative of ISR to the UN.
Oh, the hubris of the Zionist entity…should they have studied Greek mythology (and a little Thucydides) better, they should have known that hubris is irrevocably followed by nemesis and tisis.
Posted by: Memory Man | Oct 25 2023 10:46 utc | 21
I believe Israel is following the idea of hubris that Julius Caesar had:
“Its only hubris if I fail.”

Posted by: canuck | Oct 25 2023 11:49 utc | 66

Minaa @ 34
Paramilitary wing of Hamas or political wing of Hamas ?
Perhaps both ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 11:51 utc | 67

Minaa @ 34
Paramilitary wing of Hamas or political wing of Hamas ?
Perhaps both ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 11:51 utc | 68

@ 5
Not to bring this back to cocaine or anything, like I seem to frequently, but Geopolitica analyst in Mexico, Carlos Aguiar posted that the UN Secretary-General has the full support of the president of Colombia, Gustavo Pedro.
https://x.com/Geopolitic_2024/status/1716991818678821107

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 25 2023 11:59 utc | 69

@ 5
Not to bring this back to cocaine or anything, like I seem to frequently, but Geopolitica analyst in Mexico, Carlos Aguiar posted that the UN Secretary-General has the full support of the president of Colombia, Gustavo Pedro.
https://x.com/Geopolitic_2024/status/1716991818678821107

Posted by: Bruised Northerner | Oct 25 2023 11:59 utc | 70

Posted by: canuck | Oct 25 2023 11:25 utc | 28
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++
ZH has become bias and impartial. A real pity.

Posted by: AI | Oct 25 2023 12:09 utc | 71

Posted by: canuck | Oct 25 2023 11:25 utc | 28
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++/++++
ZH has become bias and impartial. A real pity.

Posted by: AI | Oct 25 2023 12:09 utc | 72

Yes, I must say I was surprised too. On Ukraine the Secretary-General has been pretty much in step with NATO, and now he chooses to tread on the most sensitive corn on the rogue empire’s toe. I must assume that there is some reason, and perhaps the US is getting ready to jettison the UN altogether. Or, I suppose, it could be that the Gaza massacre is simply a massacre too far for the Secretary-General. Either way, it’s not going to change much — after the UN abandoned its Charter in order to greenlight the Libyan massacre there’s no real way back to restoring credibility to the organisation.

Posted by: MFB | Oct 25 2023 12:17 utc | 73

Yes, I must say I was surprised too. On Ukraine the Secretary-General has been pretty much in step with NATO, and now he chooses to tread on the most sensitive corn on the rogue empire’s toe. I must assume that there is some reason, and perhaps the US is getting ready to jettison the UN altogether. Or, I suppose, it could be that the Gaza massacre is simply a massacre too far for the Secretary-General. Either way, it’s not going to change much — after the UN abandoned its Charter in order to greenlight the Libyan massacre there’s no real way back to restoring credibility to the organisation.

Posted by: MFB | Oct 25 2023 12:17 utc | 74

So the Zioterrorist occupation of Palestine is now denying visas to UN representatives.
Just as well; it saves them from the Folke Bernadotte treatment.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 25 2023 12:22 utc | 75

So the Zioterrorist occupation of Palestine is now denying visas to UN representatives.
Just as well; it saves them from the Folke Bernadotte treatment.

Posted by: malenkov | Oct 25 2023 12:22 utc | 76

A ceasefire will not benefit the Palestinians. It is back to open air prison while the media shifts to something else.
A treaty with some form of the two state solution and upgrade to a full sovereign nation is the only real salvation for Palestinians. Everything else is a choice between death or misery.
On a side note, will the war start already? I want to see Iran and Israel go mano-o-mano. They want to cut each other’s throats for a long time now. Let’s see if Israel is as great as the IDF says it is.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Oct 25 2023 12:45 utc | 77

A ceasefire will not benefit the Palestinians. It is back to open air prison while the media shifts to something else.
A treaty with some form of the two state solution and upgrade to a full sovereign nation is the only real salvation for Palestinians. Everything else is a choice between death or misery.
On a side note, will the war start already? I want to see Iran and Israel go mano-o-mano. They want to cut each other’s throats for a long time now. Let’s see if Israel is as great as the IDF says it is.

Posted by: FieryButMostPeaceful | Oct 25 2023 12:45 utc | 78

14 Just another… I think there is some merit to what you say; though I doubt it’s as controlled as you claim. Both with 9/11 and this Hamas attack, Occam’s Razor would have us pare the elaborate coordination when simply standing down, and letting the “terrorists” have their day (maybe even pouring a bit of fuel on the atrocities) is all that’s required. The more elaborate plan would be harder to pull off and unnecessary. Again, I think there’s certainly something to that. If you look at COINTELPRO programs, where gov’t forces infiltrate and radicalize movements; often it’s the gov’t plants that are the bomb throwers. That IS an old tactic; no reason to suggest it’s been abandoned.
But, you give them too much credit. The US has flooded the “zone” with weapons giving them to ISIS (who likely don’t hate Palestinians, Hamas or Hezbollah) so Hamas and Hezbollah may have some surprises in store. We’re talking checkers in a land of Chess players; I think Israel and US are too self deluded to be capable of really anticipating their adversaries moves and options.

Posted by: scottindallas | Oct 25 2023 12:48 utc | 79

14 Just another… I think there is some merit to what you say; though I doubt it’s as controlled as you claim. Both with 9/11 and this Hamas attack, Occam’s Razor would have us pare the elaborate coordination when simply standing down, and letting the “terrorists” have their day (maybe even pouring a bit of fuel on the atrocities) is all that’s required. The more elaborate plan would be harder to pull off and unnecessary. Again, I think there’s certainly something to that. If you look at COINTELPRO programs, where gov’t forces infiltrate and radicalize movements; often it’s the gov’t plants that are the bomb throwers. That IS an old tactic; no reason to suggest it’s been abandoned.
But, you give them too much credit. The US has flooded the “zone” with weapons giving them to ISIS (who likely don’t hate Palestinians, Hamas or Hezbollah) so Hamas and Hezbollah may have some surprises in store. We’re talking checkers in a land of Chess players; I think Israel and US are too self deluded to be capable of really anticipating their adversaries moves and options.

Posted by: scottindallas | Oct 25 2023 12:48 utc | 80

Dont b fooled. Hes just washing his hands on this like Pontius Pilate did when Jews killed Jesus.
He just doesnt want to be written in history books as Sec Gen that was silent during the Gaza genocide.
Talk is cheap and he did the cheapest thing possible.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 25 2023 12:49 utc | 81

Dont b fooled. Hes just washing his hands on this like Pontius Pilate did when Jews killed Jesus.
He just doesnt want to be written in history books as Sec Gen that was silent during the Gaza genocide.
Talk is cheap and he did the cheapest thing possible.

Posted by: Comandante | Oct 25 2023 12:49 utc | 82

An israëli official can talk like a dement infinitevely arrogant kunt and wipe all palestinians from the face of the earth, with the approval of Neo-Carolingians. Good.
But he talk to me like this outside and far from its diminutive country, I just kill him, and as per his own logic any biological organism he has spawned, included any newborn.
Israël has no chance to survive well on the long run, given the level of hatred it is spitting around like the spinning head of Reagan in The Exorcist movie.

Posted by: Timur | Oct 25 2023 12:55 utc | 83

An israëli official can talk like a dement infinitevely arrogant kunt and wipe all palestinians from the face of the earth, with the approval of Neo-Carolingians. Good.
But he talk to me like this outside and far from its diminutive country, I just kill him, and as per his own logic any biological organism he has spawned, included any newborn.
Israël has no chance to survive well on the long run, given the level of hatred it is spitting around like the spinning head of Reagan in The Exorcist movie.

Posted by: Timur | Oct 25 2023 12:55 utc | 84

Posted by: Just Another 9/11 | Oct 25 2023 10:07 utc | 14
Posted by: librul | Oct 25 2023 11:32 utc | 30 [False flag]
One problem with false flag theory is that it assume comprehensive, secret planning verging on genius.
Yet, when we hear Israeli leaders, including military leaders, the genius seems to be lacking. Also, those guys are typically vain, so I do not expect motivation “I will pretend to be an idiot to hide our false flag”.
Of course, the is a bubble of memes in which idiocy is perceived as resolve etc. But people within that bubble can be irrational for that very reason. They do not have to be stupid in IQ sense.
When you observe standard Israeli memes, it is a unique mix of complacency and paranoia. And if you had a 1st hand observation of IDF, the discipline is nowhere as tight as you can imagine. Perhaps my experience was peculiar, because I was invited long time ago by a professor of Tel Aviv university for joint mathematical research, and very shortly after my arrival he was called for some weeks of reserve duty, so we worked with pencil and paper at his unit. And no, I did not got a written commander permission. That was particularly strange unit, the mission was to guard a facility to train how to use anti-aircraft guns that was not used, as those guns were totally obsolete, and 100% of soldiers and officers were reservists on short duty. So it was the bottom of the barrel of IDF. Nevertheless, it gave me ideas what may happen in the military.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 25 2023 12:55 utc | 85

Posted by: Just Another 9/11 | Oct 25 2023 10:07 utc | 14
Posted by: librul | Oct 25 2023 11:32 utc | 30 [False flag]
One problem with false flag theory is that it assume comprehensive, secret planning verging on genius.
Yet, when we hear Israeli leaders, including military leaders, the genius seems to be lacking. Also, those guys are typically vain, so I do not expect motivation “I will pretend to be an idiot to hide our false flag”.
Of course, the is a bubble of memes in which idiocy is perceived as resolve etc. But people within that bubble can be irrational for that very reason. They do not have to be stupid in IQ sense.
When you observe standard Israeli memes, it is a unique mix of complacency and paranoia. And if you had a 1st hand observation of IDF, the discipline is nowhere as tight as you can imagine. Perhaps my experience was peculiar, because I was invited long time ago by a professor of Tel Aviv university for joint mathematical research, and very shortly after my arrival he was called for some weeks of reserve duty, so we worked with pencil and paper at his unit. And no, I did not got a written commander permission. That was particularly strange unit, the mission was to guard a facility to train how to use anti-aircraft guns that was not used, as those guns were totally obsolete, and 100% of soldiers and officers were reservists on short duty. So it was the bottom of the barrel of IDF. Nevertheless, it gave me ideas what may happen in the military.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Oct 25 2023 12:55 utc | 86

Cocoliso 29; both Muslims and Jews have a policy of getting the body buried by sundown if possible; so the funerals would be all done, there were some. But we sure haven’t seen any pictures of those beheaded babies; I’ve seen pictures of dozens and dozens of dead Gazan infants. The baby mama is Algerian, and her brother shares them, they sure don’t come from Western media; all images are behind a double click of sanitation, I haven’t really shared them.

Posted by: scottindallas | Oct 25 2023 12:55 utc | 87

Cocoliso 29; both Muslims and Jews have a policy of getting the body buried by sundown if possible; so the funerals would be all done, there were some. But we sure haven’t seen any pictures of those beheaded babies; I’ve seen pictures of dozens and dozens of dead Gazan infants. The baby mama is Algerian, and her brother shares them, they sure don’t come from Western media; all images are behind a double click of sanitation, I haven’t really shared them.

Posted by: scottindallas | Oct 25 2023 12:55 utc | 88

Israeli delegate is calling for his resignation . How’s that in your face truth about the state of Israel. Finally growing a pair , do you say never too late

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 25 2023 12:56 utc | 89

Israeli delegate is calling for his resignation . How’s that in your face truth about the state of Israel. Finally growing a pair , do you say never too late

Posted by: Hankster | Oct 25 2023 12:56 utc | 90

Sayyed Nasrallah, al-Nakhalah, al-Arouri hold critical meeting https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/nasrallah-al-nakhalah-al-arouri-hold-critical-tripartite-mee
Doctors report outbreaks of disease among Gaza’s displaced https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-displaced-show-signs-disease-crowding-poor-sanitation-doctors-2023-10-24/
UNRWA Situation Report #13 on the situation in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/unrwa-situation-report-13-situation-gaza-strip-and-west-bank-including-east-jerusalem-all-information-valid-23-october-2023-6-pm-enar
More than 700 killed in overnight Israeli attacks, Gaza officials say https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/24/more-than-700-killed-in-overnight-israeli-attacks-gaza-officials-say
UN begs for more aid to enter Gaza as hospitals run out of fuel https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/un-begs-more-aid-enter-gaza-hospitals-run-out-fuel
New airstrikes hit Jenin camp as Israeli raids escalate https://new.thecradle.co/articles/new-airstrikes-hit-jenin-camp-as-israeli-raids-escalate
Florida governor bans pro-Palestinian student group in US state (is it to shield Shaitanyahoo snowflakes son’s from news of daddy’s exploits?) https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/10/25/713378/US-FLORIDA-DESANTIS-BANS-PRO-PALESTINIAN-STUDENT-ORG-SJP
Meanwhile the zionist pogromists are unleashing their latest psyop secret weapon: gay settler genocidal parkinson for kids (!?!). The battlefield north and south are ready for those US proxies. https://t.me/intelslava/52675

Posted by: Dialectical Arab | Oct 25 2023 13:05 utc | 91

Sayyed Nasrallah, al-Nakhalah, al-Arouri hold critical meeting https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/nasrallah-al-nakhalah-al-arouri-hold-critical-tripartite-mee
Doctors report outbreaks of disease among Gaza’s displaced https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-displaced-show-signs-disease-crowding-poor-sanitation-doctors-2023-10-24/
UNRWA Situation Report #13 on the situation in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/unrwa-situation-report-13-situation-gaza-strip-and-west-bank-including-east-jerusalem-all-information-valid-23-october-2023-6-pm-enar
More than 700 killed in overnight Israeli attacks, Gaza officials say https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/24/more-than-700-killed-in-overnight-israeli-attacks-gaza-officials-say
UN begs for more aid to enter Gaza as hospitals run out of fuel https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/un-begs-more-aid-enter-gaza-hospitals-run-out-fuel
New airstrikes hit Jenin camp as Israeli raids escalate https://new.thecradle.co/articles/new-airstrikes-hit-jenin-camp-as-israeli-raids-escalate
Florida governor bans pro-Palestinian student group in US state (is it to shield Shaitanyahoo snowflakes son’s from news of daddy’s exploits?) https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/10/25/713378/US-FLORIDA-DESANTIS-BANS-PRO-PALESTINIAN-STUDENT-ORG-SJP
Meanwhile the zionist pogromists are unleashing their latest psyop secret weapon: gay settler genocidal parkinson for kids (!?!). The battlefield north and south are ready for those US proxies. https://t.me/intelslava/52675

Posted by: Dialectical Arab | Oct 25 2023 13:05 utc | 92

Have the aircraft carrier gone yet ?
Every hour counts for the people in Gaza.
Are the IDF going to put boots on the ground ? or whistle dixe ?
Its their call. If they do Hamas, Hezbbulah and the streets of the Middle Esst will be all over the izzys like a bad rash. Do the izzys want to see their citys demolished their familys bodys ripped apart by bombs and scattered about like carreon.
Let the dominos fall.
Or stop. As in stop not ceasefire.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 13:06 utc | 93

Have the aircraft carrier gone yet ?
Every hour counts for the people in Gaza.
Are the IDF going to put boots on the ground ? or whistle dixe ?
Its their call. If they do Hamas, Hezbbulah and the streets of the Middle Esst will be all over the izzys like a bad rash. Do the izzys want to see their citys demolished their familys bodys ripped apart by bombs and scattered about like carreon.
Let the dominos fall.
Or stop. As in stop not ceasefire.

Posted by: Mark2 | Oct 25 2023 13:06 utc | 94

Perversely, if it was isreal calling for a ceasefire you can be sure the West would pass exactly the resolution needed in a hurry.
No mere ‘humanitarian pause’ then, a full on silencing of the guns.
Bear that in mind when the upcoming missile barrage becomes too much for the Zionists to handle.
A repeat of 2006.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2023 13:07 utc | 95

Perversely, if it was isreal calling for a ceasefire you can be sure the West would pass exactly the resolution needed in a hurry.
No mere ‘humanitarian pause’ then, a full on silencing of the guns.
Bear that in mind when the upcoming missile barrage becomes too much for the Zionists to handle.
A repeat of 2006.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Oct 25 2023 13:07 utc | 96

Nice headline in German Satire magazine:
“Brazen: UN Chief Guterres Claims Israel-Palestine Conflict Existed Before October 7”
https://www.der-postillon.com/2023/10/guterres.html?m=1

Posted by: Marvin | Oct 25 2023 13:08 utc | 97

Nice headline in German Satire magazine:
“Brazen: UN Chief Guterres Claims Israel-Palestine Conflict Existed Before October 7”
https://www.der-postillon.com/2023/10/guterres.html?m=1

Posted by: Marvin | Oct 25 2023 13:08 utc | 98

Last July — July 8, 2023 — Gutteres called out Israel for its offenses in Jenin.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-chief-dismisses-israeli-demand-he-retract-accusation-of-excessive-force-in-jenin/
The same person, Gilad Erdan. wailed & gnashed teeth, but Gutteres held his ground.

Posted by: ChasMark | Oct 25 2023 13:12 utc | 99

Last July — July 8, 2023 — Gutteres called out Israel for its offenses in Jenin.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-chief-dismisses-israeli-demand-he-retract-accusation-of-excessive-force-in-jenin/
The same person, Gilad Erdan. wailed & gnashed teeth, but Gutteres held his ground.

Posted by: ChasMark | Oct 25 2023 13:12 utc | 100